Now, after half a year, I have a box with ARP2600m sitting behind me, waiting for my birthday to come to open it ...... and I have the best patch tutorial with one of a dopest song from my n1 band. So happy you've shown all the sounds. Man, this is great!!! TNX!
I really appreciate your solid work on on this recreation! FWIW, I still have all of my "classic" DM albums (Speak and Spell, Construction Time Again, A Broken Frame, 101, Violator, etc.) on cassette format that I bought back in my high school days of the late '80s, and I'm honestly surprised that I didn't completely abrade the oxide coating clean off the tape substrate, since I was constantly playing them all. "Puppets" has been a personal favorite since virtually forever, or at least the past 35+ years.
I have an excellent ear for music. I'm a producer and am a huge Depeche fan. That is a 100% accurate reproduction. Un-fucking believable! Depeche Mode should get you in for a remaster!!!
This is so spot on, it's incredible. One of the very rare examples of somebody coming so close to this early DM sound here on YT. And it's not an easy thing to do, as Eric and Daniel were both absolute magicians. Best from Poland! 😎
Bravo Mr. Noise! Very nice rendition. Perhaps you might have a go at Ice Machine or, if you know it, Television Set. That last was always my favourite back in the day. The only recording I'm aware of it was on a flexi-disc that came with a magazine back in the 80s.
Was not able to reproduce the sounds using a timewArp 2600 vst neither, I guess these vsts are not equivalent to the hardware model. Your version is awesome though!
I was thinking about that too. But in the end it would be very hard to make the sounds similar. Even if I‘d make the same song again now on the 2600m, it would not sound the same. I have recorded some other DM songs from that time with the Behringer.
Well, the ARP 2600 (and clones thereof) is a pretty versatile, powerful semi-modular synth. Besides, Daniel Miller's was used for nearly all of the sounds in _Speak & Spell_ to begin with.
Can you explain the snare patch, please? I am mostly curious about the purpose of the envelope out into ring mod in, then I see the switch is set to DC. What is happening with the modulation in the ring mod, and then being fed back into the VCF mixer? thanks!
@@tomnoise23 Thank you for explaining. In this case though, what is the purpose of using the VCA to attenuate the envelope? especially since it looks like the slider is fully up?
@@tomnoise23 Uhmmm...that's true, actually, haha. :-D Hey t.noise, since you have both, I have an interesting challenge. You are extremely and astonishingly close to the original with the version above (even the YT bot identified it as the original "Puppets"), could you replicate all the sounds as close as it gets with the Behringer 2600 and make another video? Even just a short version of it? That would be super interesting! :)
@@henrikgerlach4765 I already had the same thought about making the same song with two different synthesizers. On the other hand Puppets is using rather simple sounds and i think it could be replicated with many other synths too. So i doubt that it would be very insightful in the end. A different song using more characteristic sounds would be better for such a "challenge" in my opinion. Oh and i am pretty sure that it would sound a bit different even if used the 2600M and start from scratch on the same track.
Awesome job! I was only listening to this album just a few days ago too. I see you have a Behringer Gray Meanie to the left anbd wondered how it compares to the Korg 2600? I have been told the envelopes on the Korg are better for snappier sounds, and also more decay. The one thing about the Korg I wish they'd installed is a portamento switch, like the BARP. It would be good to see what you think about the comparisons. Thanks.
Thanks! Yes indeed. The Korg's envelope is much snappier and the overall sound is more aggressive and brighter to the Behringer. I have made a longer video where i play 3 different 2600 clones (Behringer, Antonus, Korg) side by side. You can find it on my channel as well.
@@tomnoise23 Thanks very much for your reply, it really does help me choose the Korg. I like the Behringer too, but need the snappier envelopes, and like the form factor in Korg. I will check out your other videos too. The Korg sounds AMAZING on this video by the way ;0)
Some constructive criticism: many of the brighter sounds need a lower cutoff frequency on the LPF. Intro sound could use a slightly slow attack on the filter cutoff and some chorus effect. The original also does a cool thing where the reverb is panned opposite the sound. The bass could use doubletracking. If you listen to the original, a second bass comes in panned slightly more to the right after the bass fade-in, and it's fuzzier and has more sustain. Creates a bigger, fatter stereo sound. But yeah that's really close, especially the chorus.
Really nice. I would never have thought to make the bass drum that way, by inverting the ADSR signal and putting it into an audio input. I guess it just makes a thump sound right?
Yes exactly. The original ARP had this infamous deep DC thump which is also there, but not so strong in the 2600M. Normally I would try to avoid it but for this kickdrum sound it was helpful to add. It’s just inverted because that Ringmod input is inverted as well.
I have a behringer 2600 myself and I like it a lot. But you don't necessarily need one to make great music. Knowledge and talent is what you really need. Watch this guy's version of DM's Puppets using mostly a free VSTi called Synth1.
Sounds great for sure! Do you know if they used the (Daniel Miller´s) 2600 to do it? I remember the kick drum on the whole album was made with it, but I'm not sure about the rest. Just curiosity.
I don't have any insights on the production process, but i would suspect that they have used more than just the 2600. I just wanted to see if i can get close to all of the sounds with the 2600M only. Just for fun :-)
Along with the 2600, they used the synths that they were using in their live shows. Vince Clarke had a Jupiter 4, Martin played a Yamaha synth and Fletch had a Moog Source. I think they also had a Boss drum machine.
@@johnpaulpatton9786 Still impressive what they did with these rather simple synths. I think the compositions of these times are beautiful, just because o that simplicity and they`re mostly made up of monophonic synth lines.
@@tomnoise23 They really made the most of limited gear, which is a good lesson for us all. The quality of a well-written song far outweighs the need for tons of expensive gear. A few very carefully crafted sounds that allow space within the mix so that each sound can shine will always work better than a jam-packed mix made to just be loud.
Yes i do, but it also depends on the particular sound. For some sounds i wouldn't be able to tell any difference, for others it's pretty obvious. Imo both are great in their own right. In a nutshell, the Korg sounds closer to a vintage ARP, but the Behringer still provides a big part of the ARP flavour. Hard too describe ;-)
Sagen wir mal so: Beim Behringer muss man etwas mehr tricksen, dafür geht dort wesentlich mehr. Der Korg klingt schon einfach so näher dran. Ich finde beide super.
Thank you! In some regards I like the Korg better (more authentic sound and feel) but the Behringer brings a lot more to the table and has more variety. And it also sounds very good. I like them both.
@@tomnoise23 thanks! Just one more question :) Is the Korg as bright as the Behringers? Could you elaborate a bit on the authenticity part? There are almost zero comparisions out there and im trying to choose which one to get.
@@henrikstolpe They both can sound bright. The biggest and most obvious difference ist the spring reverb, which is, to my taste, much more useful and authentic sounding on the Korg. Also the Oscillator Mixer is, same as an original 2600, not as clean as on the Behringer. The adsr envelope shape and the filters are closer to an original one, too. This is my personal opinion and is based on comparisons with old audio files from my vintage 2600, which i have sold a few years ago. On the other hand, the build quality of the Korg is not really up to it's price, but that's just cosmetics imo (plastic nuts on the jacks, little flaws on the painting on mine). The Behringer has a lot of useful additions (LFO, Sync, Trigger in for the ADSR etc) and with some workarounds it can sound very close to an original as well. Also, it has switches for everything, whereas on the Korg you need to perform some switch combinations after powering it up to program the trigger behaviour or voice mode. Portamento is only accessible via midi control on the Korg.
@@tomnoise23 thanks a lot for this answer! I was hesitant to go for the Korg as when I had both the Behringer and Korg Odyssey next to each other the Korg was a bit ”stiffer” and the filters lacked some high end. But it sounds like the 2600 doesnt have these issues then.
Sorry, i'm not able to make a meaningful comparison video. For me it's not a "versus". They are playing here together side by side. Brothers from the same mother ;-)
i doubt it and the hardware quality will not be 3 times better either. you can buy 3 barps for less than 1 minikarp in the UK and still have a large chunk leftover for patch cables. i'd rather have 2 barps(as a super expander), patch cables and some additional modules.
Hi and thanks! I don’t have any worries about the fader sizes on the 2600M. They more or less equal the size of the SH101 faders or from many other Roland Synths. They are absolutely fine to use.
OMG ♥♥♥
Now, after half a year, I have a box with ARP2600m sitting behind me, waiting for my birthday to come to open it ...... and I have the best patch tutorial with one of a dopest song from my n1 band. So happy you've shown all the sounds. Man, this is great!!! TNX!
You‘re welcome and thanks in return. Some early birthday wishes for you and I hope you‘ll enjoy your 2600M as much as I do mine:)
You really good drums sound created
Great cover... so pure analogue sounds there... more DM songs please with your ARP
I really appreciate your solid work on on this recreation! FWIW, I still have all of my "classic" DM albums (Speak and Spell, Construction Time Again, A Broken Frame, 101, Violator, etc.) on cassette format that I bought back in my high school days of the late '80s, and I'm honestly surprised that I didn't completely abrade the oxide coating clean off the tape substrate, since I was constantly playing them all. "Puppets" has been a personal favorite since virtually forever, or at least the past 35+ years.
thank you so much for your appreciation!
I have an excellent ear for music. I'm a producer and am a huge Depeche fan. That is a 100% accurate reproduction. Un-fucking believable! Depeche Mode should get you in for a remaster!!!
Thank you so much. I’m flattered!!
Nailed it 100%!!
This is just pure awesome - What would i have done to view something like this 20 or more years ago.
Fantastic work! More please!
Fantastic recreation! I got the 2600m a couple months ago and it's so much fun 😎
excellent recreation, and so nice you put the patches up for display!
Cheers, my pleasure!
Spot on!
Nicely recreated
What a delight. Love this song as was looking for some Depeche Style 2600 patches and found this. Rad.
Just brilliant. Appreciated!
Absolutelt brilliant.
Wonderful work.
That had the old head wagging.
Drums excellent!!!!
Thanks
@@petercane6376 thank you too! Glad you enjoyed it!
excellent!
This is so spot on, it's incredible. One of the very rare examples of somebody coming so close to this early DM sound here on YT. And it's not an easy thing to do, as Eric and Daniel were both absolute magicians. Best from Poland! 😎
Wow, thanks 🙏
@@tomnoise23You're more than welcome! Please do some more early Mode, if possible. 😉
Great video thanks for showing all the settings that is fantastic going to try it on my Barp GM.
Amazing!!. Makes me think im purchasing one of this synths.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I don't know how I missed this. Great one!!
Awesome that you show us the presets. You are the man!!! 🤩
Nice!!! And great to see / hear where all the sounds came from!
In the original song it wasn’t just a 2600, they have used more and other gears… but thanks!
@@tomnoise23 Early on, their collection of gear was pretty limited, though. It would quickly expand, but only after _Speak & Spell_ .
Awesome and thanks for the photos
Incredible, very nice 👍 As i see, the arp 2600m is a very nice machine :)
Perfection
Absolutely brilliant! 😀👍
Well done! thanks for putting up the patches
Great job, this is excellent !
Thank you so much.. the top song of Speak and Spell for me. From 1:57 to 2:27, the melody is so... beautiful, full of melancholy...
Thanks for commenting. Yes, i love that song too. So simple and beautiful.
magic!
Keep coming back for your Mode covers 😉
I have more, they‘re in my secret garden. But the boys say go! They just can’t get enough. I shouldn’t have done that. 😇
Bravo Mr. Noise! Very nice rendition. Perhaps you might have a go at Ice Machine or, if you know it, Television Set. That last was always my favourite back in the day. The only recording I'm aware of it was on a flexi-disc that came with a magazine back in the 80s.
Wow, I never heard of Television Set before. Now I found it only here on TH-cam. Great song!! Sounds a bit like Gary Numan :)
+1 for each :)
Ice Machine ❤️
Wow!!! This is great :)
I like it too 😊
This sounds like the real thing as a voxless mix.
So macht ein ARP richtig Spaß - exzellente Arbeit 😃👍
Danke 🙏 😊
Sounds absolutely amazing,and I've recreated a few of these myself in cubase
Was not able to reproduce the sounds using a timewArp 2600 vst neither, I guess these vsts are not equivalent to the hardware model. Your version is awesome though!
Sehr cool geworden! 🍀
Dankeschön! 😊
👍👍👍🌹 cool 🌹👍👍👍
i saw you have a behringer 2600 as well, will be cool to her the same song with that to really feel the difference in a full song context
I was thinking about that too. But in the end it would be very hard to make the sounds similar. Even if I‘d make the same song again now on the 2600m, it would not sound the same. I have recorded some other DM songs from that time with the Behringer.
@@tomnoise23 yeah make sense, I will check them thx
Nice job!
Whoa this is awesome, you got it excellent!
+1 to doing "ICE MACHINE" !!!
Woah, one synth, really?! Massive, Mr Noise!
Well, the ARP 2600 (and clones thereof) is a pretty versatile, powerful semi-modular synth. Besides, Daniel Miller's was used for nearly all of the sounds in _Speak & Spell_ to begin with.
Can you explain the snare patch, please? I am mostly curious about the purpose of the envelope out into ring mod in, then I see the switch is set to DC. What is happening with the modulation in the ring mod, and then being fed back into the VCF mixer? thanks!
If you set the Ring Modulator to DC-Mode it means that it works like a VCA. So in this patch it serves as an additional VCA.
@@tomnoise23 Thank you for explaining. In this case though, what is the purpose of using the VCA to attenuate the envelope? especially since it looks like the slider is fully up?
@@TheObxpander I am using the envelope as a contour for the oscillator level.
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What's wrong with the Behringer 2600? Why did you have to get another one by Korg?
probably because behringer is whack
Nothing`s wrong with the Behringer! But ... you are asking a synth nerd why he wants to have both? Seriously? :-D
@@tomnoise23 Uhmmm...that's true, actually, haha. :-D
Hey t.noise, since you have both, I have an interesting challenge. You are extremely and astonishingly close to the original with the version above (even the YT bot identified it as the original "Puppets"), could you replicate all the sounds as close as it gets with the Behringer 2600 and make another video? Even just a short version of it? That would be super interesting! :)
@@henrikgerlach4765 I already had the same thought about making the same song with two different synthesizers. On the other hand Puppets is using rather simple sounds and i think it could be replicated with many other synths too. So i doubt that it would be very insightful in the end.
A different song using more characteristic sounds would be better for such a "challenge" in my opinion.
Oh and i am pretty sure that it would sound a bit different even if used the 2600M and start from scratch on the same track.
Awesome job! I was only listening to this album just a few days ago too. I see you have a Behringer Gray Meanie to the left anbd wondered how it compares to the Korg 2600? I have been told the envelopes on the Korg are better for snappier sounds, and also more decay. The one thing about the Korg I wish they'd installed is a portamento switch, like the BARP. It would be good to see what you think about the comparisons. Thanks.
Thanks! Yes indeed. The Korg's envelope is much snappier and the overall sound is more aggressive and brighter to the Behringer. I have made a longer video where i play 3 different 2600 clones (Behringer, Antonus, Korg) side by side. You can find it on my channel as well.
@@tomnoise23 Thanks very much for your reply, it really does help me choose the Korg. I like the Behringer too, but need the snappier envelopes, and like the form factor in Korg. I will check out your other videos too. The Korg sounds AMAZING on this video by the way ;0)
Some constructive criticism: many of the brighter sounds need a lower cutoff frequency on the LPF. Intro sound could use a slightly slow attack on the filter cutoff and some chorus effect. The original also does a cool thing where the reverb is panned opposite the sound. The bass could use doubletracking. If you listen to the original, a second bass comes in panned slightly more to the right after the bass fade-in, and it's fuzzier and has more sustain. Creates a bigger, fatter stereo sound. But yeah that's really close, especially the chorus.
Thanks for the feedback. 👍
bin beeindruckt, wie nah du die sounds "bauen" kannst. chapeaux!
Lieben Dank! :)
Really nice. I would never have thought to make the bass drum that way, by inverting the ADSR signal and putting it into an audio input. I guess it just makes a thump sound right?
Yes exactly. The original ARP had this infamous deep DC thump which is also there, but not so strong in the 2600M. Normally I would try to avoid it but for this kickdrum sound it was helpful to add. It’s just inverted because that Ringmod input is inverted as well.
@@tomnoise23 Ah right, the DC thump! Pretty sneaky, that secretly-inverted RM input.
Nice! And a black keystep pro what?
Yep 👍
💜🤩💜🤩💜
I have a behringer 2600 myself and I like it a lot. But you don't necessarily need one to make great music. Knowledge and talent is what you really need. Watch this guy's version of DM's Puppets using mostly a free VSTi called Synth1.
th-cam.com/video/c1rhTr2f4a0/w-d-xo.html
Agreed. But who said you'd need a particular synthesizer to make music? Today you can drive a whole production with an iPhone and some apps.
Damn ! That is good ! I like what you have done and a good ear for this great song. Are you going to do "New Life" ?
New Life is great as well!! Thanks, i might give it a try
Sounds great for sure!
Do you know if they used the (Daniel Miller´s) 2600 to do it? I remember the kick drum on the whole album was made with it, but I'm not sure about the rest. Just curiosity.
I don't have any insights on the production process, but i would suspect that they have used more than just the 2600. I just wanted to see if i can get close to all of the sounds with the 2600M only. Just for fun :-)
Along with the 2600, they used the synths that they were using in their live shows. Vince Clarke had a Jupiter 4, Martin played a Yamaha synth and Fletch had a Moog Source. I think they also had a Boss drum machine.
@@johnpaulpatton9786 Still impressive what they did with these rather simple synths. I think the compositions of these times are beautiful, just because o that simplicity and they`re mostly made up of monophonic synth lines.
@@tomnoise23 They really made the most of limited gear, which is a good lesson for us all. The quality of a well-written song far outweighs the need for tons of expensive gear. A few very carefully crafted sounds that allow space within the mix so that each sound can shine will always work better than a jam-packed mix made to just be loud.
@@johnpaulpatton9786 the drum machine on Speak And Spell is the Korg KR55 with the 2600 kick
Big Muff or Photographic next please 😃
Alright! ;-)
@@tomnoise23 😃
Absolutely yes it’s just keeps getting better 😀
Very good work. Please can you tell me if you hear any noticeable difference in sound between the grey meanie and the arp?
Yes i do, but it also depends on the particular sound. For some sounds i wouldn't be able to tell any difference, for others it's pretty obvious. Imo both are great in their own right.
In a nutshell, the Korg sounds closer to a vintage ARP, but the Behringer still provides a big part of the ARP flavour. Hard too describe ;-)
Amazing playing and patching🎹☀️🙏☯️👍🤗
Wunderbar, 😃👍🏻, aber klingt dir die Korg Version authentischer als die von Behringer?
Sagen wir mal so: Beim Behringer muss man etwas mehr tricksen, dafür geht dort wesentlich mehr. Der Korg klingt schon einfach so näher dran. Ich finde beide super.
Amazing! Really spot on! Subscribing. How does the Korg 2600M compare to the Behringer? I see you have experience with both?
Thank you! In some regards I like the Korg better (more authentic sound and feel) but the Behringer brings a lot more to the table and has more variety. And it also sounds very good. I like them both.
@@tomnoise23 thanks! Just one more question :) Is the Korg as bright as the Behringers? Could you elaborate a bit on the authenticity part? There are almost zero comparisions out there and im trying to choose which one to get.
@@henrikstolpe They both can sound bright. The biggest and most obvious difference ist the spring reverb, which is, to my taste, much more useful and authentic sounding on the Korg. Also the Oscillator Mixer is, same as an original 2600, not as clean as on the Behringer. The adsr envelope shape and the filters are closer to an original one, too. This is my personal opinion and is based on comparisons with old audio files from my vintage 2600, which i have sold a few years ago.
On the other hand, the build quality of the Korg is not really up to it's price, but that's just cosmetics imo (plastic nuts on the jacks, little flaws on the painting on mine).
The Behringer has a lot of useful additions (LFO, Sync, Trigger in for the ADSR etc) and with some workarounds it can sound very close to an original as well. Also, it has switches for everything, whereas on the Korg you need to perform some switch combinations after powering it up to program the trigger behaviour or voice mode. Portamento is only accessible via midi control on the Korg.
@@tomnoise23 thanks a lot for this answer! I was hesitant to go for the Korg as when I had both the Behringer and Korg Odyssey next to each other the Korg was a bit ”stiffer” and the filters lacked some high end. But it sounds like the 2600 doesnt have these issues then.
Thank you. I was very interested to hear your opinion on this too. Very interesting and useful.
Behringer 2600 vs Korg 2600M ,please.
A big price difference between those two clones, but is it justified in sound
Sorry, i'm not able to make a meaningful comparison video. For me it's not a "versus". They are playing here together side by side. Brothers from the same mother ;-)
@@tomnoise23 🤝
i doubt it and the hardware quality will not be 3 times better either. you can buy 3 barps for less than 1 minikarp in the UK and still have a large chunk leftover for patch cables. i'd rather have 2 barps(as a super expander), patch cables and some additional modules.
@@tomnoise23 your My Secret Garden and Being Boiled videos helped lighten my bank by £500(GM) you devil 😆
@@oldfatbastad6053 oops sorry 🙈
How do you find the fader size on the 2600M vs the BARPs? I was a little bit worried as they're a fair bit shorter..
PS: great cover!
Hi and thanks! I don’t have any worries about the fader sizes on the 2600M. They more or less equal the size of the SH101 faders or from many other Roland Synths. They are absolutely fine to use.
Good to know, cheers 👍
I have copied the patches from this video on my Arturia ARP 2600 V3 and it does not sound anything like this!! ☹️
What a pity
Schöne Demo eines DeMo Stücks 😉
😂
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