Their food wouldn't have been the problem, they needed to find water. If the smoking sea is still as hot as you mentioned, the ship must be a constant sauna. Working in a hot, humid environment with scarce amounts of water would be a great motivation to rush towards any landing site. Difficulties with sleep, dehydration, poor vissibility, knowledge of the area and lack of communication? The Laughing Lion's end, as you told it, was inevitable. Love these kind of videos.
Thank you! And you're right off course, I should have said they had drank through half of their provisions. Ah well, lesson learned for the next video.
Some great ideas about what could’ve happened here. Really like the extra theories you add based on the reported environmental factors from the area. Keep making these videos they’re only getting better
Im not sure if he will stick with it, but in one of martins outlines for winds, he had Tyrion meet the shrouded king. He was supposed to find out he was related to him. It may not happen now, but I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be his uncle, who found more than he bargained for.
I just learned of the existence of this deleted chapter. I just can't find that he was supposed to find out that he is related to him. Where did you find that?
It was in a Quinn the gm video. It was something like the lost drafts of winds of winter. It had something about that in it. It may have been written but crossed out.
I have been subbed since I found the frist video in this series 1 hour after it was uploaded. don't think I have ever looked forward to a videos like I have these.
Boar and Lion, I started watching your channel through the Valyria series. There's no shortage of ASOIAF content on YT but few go into Valyria the way you do; kudos to you for your approach which incorporates a lot of real life examples for comparison. It shows you do your research and adds more to how one can interpret the lore. You got my sub a while ago but hope you get to 10K soon.
Don't get discouraged by the drop off in views. The first part was blessed by the algorithm and showed up in a lot of home pages. This content is original and interesting. It certainly earned my sub. I hope you keep this up, it's much better than videos discussing the shows.
Thanks mate! I reckoned views would drop off with each new installment. And these 3 video's are all in my top 5 most watched so I'm still quite happy haha. But thank you very much for the reassuring words, I appreciate it. I do have to admit however that I plan on discussing House of the Dragon extensively in future video's. But I will do it in a different way than most channels. The next in-depth series like this one is going to take a while to write but I'll inform you when it's coming!
the biggest plot twist would be that valyria isn't actually a dead city but is so paradise-like that people that go there just say "fuck the other continents, i'm staying here"
Fantastic video! I love how you sculpt the scene for us, and your attention to detail is incredible. You've single handedly revived my interest in this universe with your work, and I'm really happy to have found your channel.
I think the Volantines killed him just in case he was successful in any way, they do see themselves as the heirs to Valyria so they’d want to keep any treasure for themselves, it’s also possible he made it through and crashed in Sothoryos and was unable to leave due to the horrors of that place. But I do think he’s dead in any case
@@mikkellarsen3643 I think that Gerion wasn’t as skilled or as cruel as Euron to make it out of there alive, plus he went in looking for the remains of a specific host of men. So he most likely went into the smoking sea whereas Euron likely went to those purged islands which were safer to navigate. If Gerion did make it out I think it would only have been because he gave up, realizing that it’s not worth it, which means that he likely had no treasure with him so the Volantines don’t really have a motif to kill him then.
Wow. I come to YT to listen to the Rains of Castemere and what is the first video I see?... The anticipated Part 3, Gerion Lannisters 1 way trip to Valyria!!! Lol Needless to say I was very happy to watch this video.
I just searched for it and found out that I have been using their art in my video's for a while haha. But I didn't know about this project so thank you! The Lannister expeditions pictures look cool but I do have a different vision of Valyria. It looks to me like the artist took a lot of inpsiration from China (Zhangjiajie national park, Zhangye national geopark)
You're probably right, Gerion and pals got murdered before ever reaching Valyria. Euron? My favorite theory I've heard is that he's a warg, and that he wargs into sea creatures (esp octopi and squids) to bring himself lost sea treasures which he can pass off as coming from Valyria. I mean, the Silence is manned by mute slaves, they can't tell anybody what really happened.
They had to sail the ship with only half the necessary crew. If they would have gone west, they had to choose from the southern routes through the Basilisk Isles, the route over the open ocean (both very dangerous for a single ship because of pirates) or the route that would take them past Volantis. They would never have made it to Braavos.
I hear there's an RPG coming. And yes, there are mods for the Crusader Kings games. Personally, I like Crusader Kings 2 better. But I have to admit that I haven't given CK3 a fair chance yet.
I actually don't think that the volcanic activity lasted full scale that long. It's not very likely and even islands with strong volcanic activities (Iceland for one, or the coast near the Vesuv) do not develop such hazards like the gas bubbles long term. As the book series is not concluded, we do not know whether Gerion will show up again, or news of his fate. I think beyond the whole volcanic stuff there are other hazards in Valyria. I honestly also wonder if the whole "looking for Brightroar" might have been an excuse, something Gerion said, to make his quest acceptable to House Lannister, while he had different plans entirely. As for the slaves: yes a slave rebellion is likely and possible, but if Gerion was a modicrum smart, he looked at the slaves he bought in greater detail and chose those of some courage, who could be enticed by the promise of freedom.
@Valandhir This is asoiaf where certain things are more extreme and long lasting than in the real world. We've got genetics and physical features that last far longer than they should, a place like Asshai that's been magically blighted for centuries, if not millennia, and Valyria which can be thought of as "the heart of fire" in the same way the very far north of Westeros is called "the heart of winter". It's possible that the volcanoes were always active *ish* but being free to finally erupt after eight or so thousand years of having Valyrian mages keep them in check led to a never ending eruption that can last for centuries
EDIT: now I see the part 3 thing, i just have too many things on my screen to it was obscured while I was scrolling. MY BAD. If you can change the text in the thumbnail to say something like "Part 1", "Part 2" etc it might help with viewership. I say this because it's difficult to tell if its a different video than what you've previously posted. When I was scrolling through, the name of the video got cut off and I didn't notice it was by you so I thought it was a copycat video of one of the ones I already watched. I clicked because I was thinking, "well, maybe it'll have additional information/presented in a diff way, etc". While watching I realized it was by you!
That's a very good idea! I'm going to write it down. I can't promise when I'll get to making it though. And the next in-depth series will be on the causes of the Doom itself.
Kinda missed and obvious danger of sailing on a boiling sea. That ship doesn't have to sink to cook you alive. The hull is going to heat up and cook you just as easily. On top of that as the hull heats up the tar and pitch used to seal it is going to melt as well.
Let me start by saying that you're right in that I completely overlooked this when making these video's. However, I did some quick research just now and I found the following: Either tar or pitch was used to make medieval ships waterpoof. Tar melts. And quickly. It starts melting around 42 - 46 degrees celsius. So this could be a problem. This would mean that Gerion, Tommen and the Volantene fleet would all have died in the boiling waters of the Smoking Sea because their ships fell apart. Pitch however, does not melt. It does soften. But this only starts at a temperature of 200 degrees celsius. So a ship that was sealed with pitch could have survived the Smoking Sea without problem. Knowing how long the Known World has been stuck in the same 'technological time-period', I think its same to assume that after thousands of years, the shipbuilders of Westeros had knowledge of the differences between pitch and tar. And having heard rumors of the boiling waters of the Smoking Sea, Gerion took a ship that was made waterproof with pitch. Which would solve the problem. However, I do not want to act like I'm an expert on the subject. This is what I could find after some quick google searches. So feel free to correct me!
the only problem with all this is i highly doubt anyone would be so stupid as to just rush right into the smoking sea. why? more likely you would said around the area a bit first, noticing all the smoke and boiling sea first. then you might notice the slight smell of the gas before you even get close enough to a bubble of it. you would also probably check the temperature of the water, since it would be heating up your wooden ship. makes a lot more sense to make landfall as close as you can get, safely, then set up a camp where you can hunt for food. then you send out people in a smaller boat to explore the sea. no need to risk everyone. you'd also hire or buy a slave that spoke your language as well as low valyrian so you can communicate.
The gas bubbles and the toxic gas were no longer a danger at the time of Gerion's journey. So that would't have stopped him. And I imagine the sea gets hotter as you go farther in. The water temperature doesnt go from 15 to 100 in a couple of kilometers/miles. As to making landfall and sending a smaller ship in, I have a theory about that. Which will feature in part 4. But basically: If you could just make landfall anywhere, why do they all choose to sail the Smoking Sea? For the first 2 expeditions by ship: The Volantenes had orders and couldn't simply turn back or take it slow. King Tommen Lannister was over-confident and didn't think the dangers of the Smoking Sea could hurt him. As to your last point, you are right, They could have bought a slave that would work as a translator. That completely skipped my mind. And I am now very happy that I didn't let the miscommunication between Gerion and his slaves be the deciding cause of their crash. Which was my initial idea... So thank you for pointing that out!
No way I refresh my page and get my most awaited yt vid just like that
Their food wouldn't have been the problem, they needed to find water. If the smoking sea is still as hot as you mentioned, the ship must be a constant sauna. Working in a hot, humid environment with scarce amounts of water would be a great motivation to rush towards any landing site. Difficulties with sleep, dehydration, poor vissibility, knowledge of the area and lack of communication? The Laughing Lion's end, as you told it, was inevitable.
Love these kind of videos.
Thank you! And you're right off course, I should have said they had drank through half of their provisions. Ah well, lesson learned for the next video.
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Some great ideas about what could’ve happened here. Really like the extra theories you add based on the reported environmental factors from the area. Keep making these videos they’re only getting better
Thank you very much for your kind words!
Favorite series coming out right now. You are so excellent, friend!
It's pretty good isn't it!
Thank you so much! You are too kind
There is no confirmation that he is dead. I hope Tyrion comes accross him in Essos.
Im not sure if he will stick with it, but in one of martins outlines for winds, he had Tyrion meet the shrouded king. He was supposed to find out he was related to him. It may not happen now, but I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be his uncle, who found more than he bargained for.
I just learned of the existence of this deleted chapter. I just can't find that he was supposed to find out that he is related to him. Where did you find that?
It was in a Quinn the gm video. It was something like the lost drafts of winds of winter. It had something about that in it. It may have been written but crossed out.
I have been subbed since I found the frist video in this series 1 hour after it was uploaded. don't think I have ever looked forward to a videos like I have these.
Thank you very much for your support! And I'm glad you like them!
Boar and Lion, I started watching your channel through the Valyria series. There's no shortage of ASOIAF content on YT but few go into Valyria the way you do; kudos to you for your approach which incorporates a lot of real life examples for comparison. It shows you do your research and adds more to how one can interpret the lore. You got my sub a while ago but hope you get to 10K soon.
Thank you very much for your kind words! Comments like these make me edit with a big smile on my face. Much appreciated!
Don't get discouraged by the drop off in views. The first part was blessed by the algorithm and showed up in a lot of home pages. This content is original and interesting. It certainly earned my sub. I hope you keep this up, it's much better than videos discussing the shows.
Thanks mate! I reckoned views would drop off with each new installment. And these 3 video's are all in my top 5 most watched so I'm still quite happy haha. But thank you very much for the reassuring words, I appreciate it. I do have to admit however that I plan on discussing House of the Dragon extensively in future video's. But I will do it in a different way than most channels. The next in-depth series like this one is going to take a while to write but I'll inform you when it's coming!
Just watched the first 2 last night, so excited to see this one just landed!!
Je video,s zijn geweldig ❤ kan niet wachten op je volgende deel!!
Dankjewel voor het compliment!
the biggest plot twist would be that valyria isn't actually a dead city but is so paradise-like that people that go there just say "fuck the other continents, i'm staying here"
That would be cool
Fantastic video! I love how you sculpt the scene for us, and your attention to detail is incredible. You've single handedly revived my interest in this universe with your work, and I'm really happy to have found your channel.
Thank you very much for your kind words!
You definitely deserve more subscribers! Another wonderful video! Thank you!
Thank you very much!
I can tell how much time, thought, and research went into this series. Thanks for your hard work!
Thank you very much for your kind words!
Bro GoT youtube is echt crazy deze dagen, thanks voor je bijdrage❤️
Dankjewel!
What a wonderful day, another vid drop!
i would be thrilled with longer videos from you !
Haha thank you! I'll remember that for future videos
Huge respect for your research to make these vids bro, fascinating to watch
Thank you very much for your kind words!
Woke up to a vid I’ve been waiting a month For. Thank you!
Thank you!
@@theboarandthelion looking forward to the next part!
Yes we get part 4 ive been waitung for this one
Great videos ! These are apart of my head canon now.
Thank you very much!
Was looking forward to this.
Mad ready for this one
A sweet set of Valyrian Armor...
Part 4!
I think the Volantines killed him just in case he was successful in any way, they do see themselves as the heirs to Valyria so they’d want to keep any treasure for themselves, it’s also possible he made it through and crashed in Sothoryos and was unable to leave due to the horrors of that place. But I do think he’s dead in any case
What if the volantines killed him on the way out?
That would be a more tragic story and support the idea that Euron could have made it.
@@mikkellarsen3643 I think that Gerion wasn’t as skilled or as cruel as Euron to make it out of there alive, plus he went in looking for the remains of a specific host of men. So he most likely went into the smoking sea whereas Euron likely went to those purged islands which were safer to navigate. If Gerion did make it out I think it would only have been because he gave up, realizing that it’s not worth it, which means that he likely had no treasure with him so the Volantines don’t really have a motif to kill him then.
Just found your channel last week. Subscribed, this trilogy was amazing
Thank you very much for the support! And part 4 is still coming haha
Wow. I come to YT to listen to the Rains of Castemere and what is the first video I see?... The anticipated Part 3, Gerion Lannisters 1 way trip to Valyria!!! Lol Needless to say I was very happy to watch this video.
I'm glad you liked it!
Awesome as always
Thank you!
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ONE🎉
There's a great series of artworks from the "Unseen Westeros" project depicting the Lannister expedition to Old Valyria, super cool.
I just searched for it and found out that I have been using their art in my video's for a while haha. But I didn't know about this project so thank you! The Lannister expeditions pictures look cool but I do have a different vision of Valyria. It looks to me like the artist took a lot of inpsiration from China (Zhangjiajie national park, Zhangye national geopark)
Love the Series
Thank you!
@@theboarandthelion No No, Thank you for putting in the time to make such an Awesome Series!
You're probably right, Gerion and pals got murdered before ever reaching Valyria.
Euron? My favorite theory I've heard is that he's a warg, and that he wargs into sea creatures (esp octopi and squids) to bring himself lost sea treasures which he can pass off as coming from Valyria. I mean, the Silence is manned by mute slaves, they can't tell anybody what really happened.
That is a cool theory! Might be interesting to revisit than one in the future.
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If the slaves had succeeded in their rebellion, surely they’d have used that very ship to try and flee to Braavos
They wouldn't be able to use any ports outside of maybe Bravoos.
They had to sail the ship with only half the necessary crew. If they would have gone west, they had to choose from the southern routes through the Basilisk Isles, the route over the open ocean (both very dangerous for a single ship because of pirates) or the route that would take them past Volantis. They would never have made it to Braavos.
People want a shorter video I could listen to this for hours 😆
Haha thanks for the compliment!
Someone should make a video game around this universe, it can be distant from the book characters just in this universe
There's a mod for crusader kings 3. It will even let you bring back extinct houses like, Hoare, Mud, and Rayne.
I hear there's an RPG coming. And yes, there are mods for the Crusader Kings games. Personally, I like Crusader Kings 2 better. But I have to admit that I haven't given CK3 a fair chance yet.
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I actually don't think that the volcanic activity lasted full scale that long. It's not very likely and even islands with strong volcanic activities (Iceland for one, or the coast near the Vesuv) do not develop such hazards like the gas bubbles long term. As the book series is not concluded, we do not know whether Gerion will show up again, or news of his fate. I think beyond the whole volcanic stuff there are other hazards in Valyria. I honestly also wonder if the whole "looking for Brightroar" might have been an excuse, something Gerion said, to make his quest acceptable to House Lannister, while he had different plans entirely. As for the slaves: yes a slave rebellion is likely and possible, but if Gerion was a modicrum smart, he looked at the slaves he bought in greater detail and chose those of some courage, who could be enticed by the promise of freedom.
Unless the Volcanic activity was always like that & Valyria used magic to keep the volcanic activity “controlled”
@Valandhir This is asoiaf where certain things are more extreme and long lasting than in the real world. We've got genetics and physical features that last far longer than they should, a place like Asshai that's been magically blighted for centuries, if not millennia, and Valyria which can be thought of as "the heart of fire" in the same way the very far north of Westeros is called "the heart of winter".
It's possible that the volcanoes were always active *ish* but being free to finally erupt after eight or so thousand years of having Valyrian mages keep them in check led to a never ending eruption that can last for centuries
EDIT: now I see the part 3 thing, i just have too many things on my screen to it was obscured while I was scrolling. MY BAD.
If you can change the text in the thumbnail to say something like "Part 1", "Part 2" etc it might help with viewership.
I say this because it's difficult to tell if its a different video than what you've previously posted. When I was scrolling through, the name of the video got cut off and I didn't notice it was by you so I thought it was a copycat video of one of the ones I already watched. I clicked because I was thinking, "well, maybe it'll have additional information/presented in a diff way, etc". While watching I realized it was by you!
I could make it bigger if it's poorly visible haha
Do you think we could get "What Would a Traveler to Sothoryos Really Find?" after this series is finished?
That's a very good idea! I'm going to write it down. I can't promise when I'll get to making it though. And the next in-depth series will be on the causes of the Doom itself.
Bro it was the ring that healed him, an outgrowth of what it did for the trees
Kinda missed and obvious danger of sailing on a boiling sea. That ship doesn't have to sink to cook you alive. The hull is going to heat up and cook you just as easily.
On top of that as the hull heats up the tar and pitch used to seal it is going to melt as well.
Let me start by saying that you're right in that I completely overlooked this when making these video's. However, I did some quick research just now and I found the following:
Either tar or pitch was used to make medieval ships waterpoof.
Tar melts. And quickly. It starts melting around 42 - 46 degrees celsius. So this could be a problem. This would mean that Gerion, Tommen and the Volantene fleet would all have died in the boiling waters of the Smoking Sea because their ships fell apart.
Pitch however, does not melt. It does soften. But this only starts at a temperature of 200 degrees celsius. So a ship that was sealed with pitch could have survived the Smoking Sea without problem. Knowing how long the Known World has been stuck in the same 'technological time-period', I think its same to assume that after thousands of years, the shipbuilders of Westeros had knowledge of the differences between pitch and tar. And having heard rumors of the boiling waters of the Smoking Sea, Gerion took a ship that was made waterproof with pitch. Which would solve the problem.
However, I do not want to act like I'm an expert on the subject. This is what I could find after some quick google searches. So feel free to correct me!
Part 5, what happened when I travelled Valyria! 🤔🫣🤕🤮👹
I can promise you part 4 will be the last of this series haha
Hellllll yeshhhhhhhhh
the only problem with all this is i highly doubt anyone would be so stupid as to just rush right into the smoking sea. why? more likely you would said around the area a bit first, noticing all the smoke and boiling sea first. then you might notice the slight smell of the gas before you even get close enough to a bubble of it. you would also probably check the temperature of the water, since it would be heating up your wooden ship.
makes a lot more sense to make landfall as close as you can get, safely, then set up a camp where you can hunt for food. then you send out people in a smaller boat to explore the sea. no need to risk everyone. you'd also hire or buy a slave that spoke your language as well as low valyrian so you can communicate.
The gas bubbles and the toxic gas were no longer a danger at the time of Gerion's journey. So that would't have stopped him. And I imagine the sea gets hotter as you go farther in. The water temperature doesnt go from 15 to 100 in a couple of kilometers/miles. As to making landfall and sending a smaller ship in, I have a theory about that. Which will feature in part 4. But basically: If you could just make landfall anywhere, why do they all choose to sail the Smoking Sea?
For the first 2 expeditions by ship: The Volantenes had orders and couldn't simply turn back or take it slow. King Tommen Lannister was over-confident and didn't think the dangers of the Smoking Sea could hurt him.
As to your last point, you are right, They could have bought a slave that would work as a translator. That completely skipped my mind. And I am now very happy that I didn't let the miscommunication between Gerion and his slaves be the deciding cause of their crash. Which was my initial idea... So thank you for pointing that out!