Deformation Space Crimson Wings VS Takara Starscream 3 0
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Honestly, I'd like to see more TF reviewers in general who DON'T feel obligated to show the whole transformation. I agree, I don't watch you for a tutorial, I wanna hear your thoughts. If that's easier to express by showing some transformation, obviously that's useful, but if not, I would not mind if you skipped it at all! :)
If I hadn't watched Bobby's transformation of FT Blurr, I wouldn't have snapped his headpiece. But that's on me.
I think if there are some particularly tricky bits then it's useful to have a guide, but if Bobby doesn't want to be a guide for that then maybe just leave out some steps or describe rather than show (with his own opinion on how well it worked and/or a suggestion of where one might go for coverage of that step).
Bobby's transformation bits are useful because if someone's going to break a figure during transformation ... well ... you know what to look out for ;-) (and that's my big fear with these things, so I really appreciate that Bobby is willing to put himself out there). #TeamFatFingers
To me, a transformation (both ways) is a mandatory for a review. I see no point in a review that doesn't show it :)
You "other" guys can simply skip the transformation part and problem solved
@@kohnfutner9637 lol it’s called opinions not betraying lol he constantly says if you like it you win. Sometimes I feel like you guys don’t watch his videos. Btw disliking any Zeta combiners is literally a national crime. I’m going to ask you to turn in your collector card sir.
Me tooo, i really enjoy skulls opinions not tutorial.
I’d be curious to see a three way vs using Maketoys 2,0.
I'm super happy with my DS. Looks amazing. Color is perfect and he just looks more intimidating. I'll never understand how people get angry at you for saying how you feel. Fun video.
I think it speaks volumes of 3rd parties dedication and heart that they continuously compete so closely to the company that owns the license. Thinking about my collection I think the only Takara stuff I have are the autobots, but Im sure that will change over time. Especially with the recent FaaaannnnnssssTooooooyyyyyysssssssssssssn reveals. I think the Mirage VS was a tie too. Which is pretty fascinating being Transform Element. Another great vid BSF!!!
That one was more impressive, considering it was a brand new figure competing against a 5 year old version from a different company. To MMC(?) Sphinx defence there also was a release being more cartoon colored than the one Bobby used so a slight loss for TE if accuracy would tip the scales, but great for those that missed out on getting Sphinx or just dont like that particular company for some reason. But then again i dont know or particualry care if TE released a 2nd version of the same mold just like MMC did with their release.
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On a serious note, I think you get a bad rap over transformations, but that's people who don't understand your channel. I appreciate the intelligent content and discussions you put out, and the transformations you do have always seemed to me to be a courtesy to the viewers. Keep it up, bro!
To me the takara color is more to his movie colors which are darker. Like you said it goes to what you need it to do. I went takara as the transformation is easier
I prefer the takara starscream, just my opinion though.
DS gets a point for me cause it comes in the box in robot mode and i won't have to transform it even once 😅
This is exactly why I never picked up the official MP-44
Would love to see a versus between the Maketoys and the DS! Battle of the waist swivel! ;)
It's funny watching people get defensive about going for MP52 or DS, because I own and like both.
I think most people would agree with me when I say, MP-52 is a great figure, however, it is inexcusable for it to cost as much as it does, with its complex transformation, to NOT have a waste swivel. A waste swivel should be a given at this point with modern figures. And before you make the excuse that Starscream never swiveled his waste in the cartoon, has Starscream ever flipped anyone off? Didn't think so, dumb argument to defend the indefensible.
I was in for MP-52 Skywarp and Thundercracker, not anymore. So when DS makes a Thundercracker and Skywarp, I am buying them for my Seekers.
I like both, and since I like both I keep both and win. Good video man! I enjoyed it.
Fascinating.
As I said previously, I think a vs with Maketoys would be a conversation worth having.
I really thought the DS would clean up here. From afar, the transformation looks interesting and achieveable - is it perhaps something you have to experience in person? I'm surprised Takara got articulation - I think it has more joints you don't really need and lacks joints (or range) that you do.
I think I perhaps feel towards Maketoys the way you do toward FT. The inability to angle the shoulder vanes is a big omission in the MT and the DS achieves many little transformation miracles but I still find myself wanting to want the MT more.
It's not a great transformation, but it's no worse than a lot of FT and XTB transformations. At least what happens during the transformation is obvious and clear. It's not like you're moving a bunch of indistinct flaps and it's not intuitive what's even happening. And it's not a constant wrestling match like FT thomas. There are three major steps that are a little awkward and not very well thought out. One of which is getting the wing tips past the torso without scratching it, which BSF didn't even really struggle with.
I like the ds more. The waist swivel, the color scheme, the proportions, and the price definitely is better on the ds imo. While the ds lacks the ankle forward and back rocker and the takara has it, that joint is so loose that it only serves to destabilize the entire figure from being able to stand up on its own. Not going to completely bash on takara though, they have some nice paintwork and up until the release of the ds, I thought that mp 52 was the best g1 transformable starscream.
Skullface has always shown me the level of frustration that "I" will definitely experience when transforming a figure. I am a Bobby "Big Hands" and I'm proud of it! On the topic of Swap Outs, I'm also there and happy with what I have. Feel good to be mostly complete :)
Look at the bright side, you have no problem splitting a lobster with your bare hands.
@bobbyskullface please do vs with make toys 🙏🏽 want to see another tie
I think doing a versus of the make toys and DS would be interesting but I would say are sure the thumbnail and title give away that its a new video because sometime I think people don't click on videos thinking that they've already watched it because they do look the same in the thumbnail
Solid video mate, thank you. Hate to suggest another time consuming video but I’d like to see the DS up against Maketoys
I really don't understand how many times this needs to be said: that "sunbow scale chart" is just a piece of paper that DOES N-O-T always reflect what the scale was in the ACTUAL GENERATION ONE CARTOON ITSELF, you know ??????
The seekers were definitely bigger in the ACTUAL cartoon (which is what most of us strive for, and not some 1-photo-chart), also for example Shockwave was never as dwarfed as MP29 made him to be, which is why I keep FT03 on my MP shelf because HE JUST FITS IN PERFECTLY SIZEWISE, while MP29 is just TOO SMALL. Maybe MP29 is accurate to some scale chart, but it is NOT accurate to the ACTUAL cartoon we watched as kids, Shockwave should be MP13's size, which FT03 is.
So, it's the same here, DS Starscream wins the size battle for me as he is more accurate to the ACTUAL G1 CARTOON 1984-1987, compared to which MP52 is too small.
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You do realize that Sunbow Productions is the company Hasbro hired to make the cartoon to market the toys right? It is absolutely official. DS is too big.
I'd like to see the Maketoys Vs with DS. Also, I only watch transformations by reviewers if I'm struggling with the figure and I need a tutorial. To be fair, I use EMGO's JTI's for that. Otherwise, I usually skip the transformations in reviews. I skip slowly through yours just in case you've hidden a skit in there somewhere.
Same, that usually the part I either 2x speed or skip entirely. Really wish 3P started making more affordable non transforming hyper articulated figures like Flame Toys. That way we can skip this whole part.
@@YakBat The problem with Flame toys is do you want to pay 500 USD for a figure that is highly articulated and detailed but no transformation, OR pay 300$ for a figure that do transform, not much less articulated but way less detailed but hidden among a collection of dozen or more robots?
By that i can save 200$ and spend it on another figure i enjoy and transform if i would ever wish than have a very detailed and articulated statue. Flame toys figures are great looking, but most of the time they just price themselves out for me to even bother trying one out.
(The numbers are taken out of my own ass and does NOT reflect any real life priced robot figures. Any similarities is purely coincidental and merely used to prove a point.)
@@zilvertron hence why I said affordable. Currently Flame Toys has no real competition and as they are official they need to be that expensive to be profitable. DLX is not in the same league in my opinion not same market. The only 3P company that comes close by a 100 miles is that Banana Force. Improve on that, for about the same price and 3P can have a whole new avenue of revenue.
Sir skulface are you gonna share your thoughts on Star Wars visions?
I think you’ve illustrated why opinion is so divided, both excel in their own ways and ultimately highlights that it’s down to individual preference. Good job
Really interesting, and agree with the final point, TT was never an option for me for the price, and the lowest point of the DS isnt a deal breaker as I won't transform it often.
I've been looking at these two for a while now. I haven't pulled the trigger on either of them but I think I'm going to get the Takara. I really like the proportions of the DS but I can't get past 3rd party companies breaking the cockpit sculpt just for the sake of the waist swivel. The DS almost executes it perfectly but that tiny little break and the reportedly troublesome transformation makes me lean more toward the Takara. Great comparison as always, keep up the good work!
Always informative. I’d like to see DS vs MT please and thank you.
I’m probably the only person to say this but I like the transformation more than mp52.
They both suck ass
I would like to see the Meteor vs Takara Starscream.
Please do the Maketoys VS video. I'd love to see it, mainly because I'm seriously thinking about going with the Maketoys for my Seekers.
I'm sticking with MakeToys as well. I feel no need to switch up.
I think I might have switched if the DS were the same height as MT. I do think it beats out MT by a fair bit, but being that tall... I just wouldn't be able to reconcile that. $ saved.
Price category: DS!
I dont need you to do a vs with all 3. But if you do one, I'll watch it and enjoy it.
I look forward for Deformation Space to get to work on their versions of G1 Optimus Prime and G1 Megatron.
Rumor is that DS is another name for Transform Element, who already released an MP Prime, TE-01.
@@Ianorig That reminds me of ThreeA, now known as ThreeZero.
I just got all 3 together. DS in MY opinion is not bad. I had both TT and DS. To me it was a clear win. Ft will have to do better than DS to get my money Now. Thanks Bobby for YOUR opinion as usual.
A good VS, but there was one thing I was hoping to see, and that was about the head proportions. I know you thought the Maketoys' was too small, and the Takaras' was too big. What did you think of the D.S.' in comparison?
So by extrapolating your last Starscream versus video, I assume it would place the Maketoys at the bottom of the pile by point count? I have all three now but I do really love that Maketoys Screamer. Wish they'd finish their Coneheads.
Thanks for the informative comparison video.
C'mon Bubeh! You give DS CW a TIE with MP52 after your review of MP52 where he can't even stand up!!! If the build quality is @$$... you can't give MP52 a pass!
The 3rd parties are certainly making waves into quality that surpasses Takara and Hasbro more and more. While some Takara offerings are gems that truly hit what I feel are the definition of what the figure should be such as MP 36 Megatron, aside from a redesign with a cleaner back that figure truly feels like the absolute measuring stick future MP Megatrons should be held up too. Meanwhile you have MP44 while not a bad kit, has a nightmarish transformation, price point, and unnecessary accessories to raise the price point... while something like Magic Square's Light of Peace nails a definitive G1 Optimus design, and a solid transformation that isn't a nightmare nor a price monster.
With the two Starscreams, I like Starscream 3.0 from Takara, and my only wish would be the colors were less dark, but otherwise it has what I want in a Starscream figure, and a solid transformation. Crimson Wings has a better G1 accurate look but a transformation ruined by shoddy placement of certain elements of the transformation and certain joint weaknesses out of the box. That said given that some Takara figures have joint problems too I guess one can't entirely forgive Takara on that point either. It really sucks when you have two figures so close to perfection but also so far apart from being the definitive Starscream.
If MP-52 were the same pale gray as Crimson Wings and had much better QC, I think it would've run away with this thing. Yeah, it's a little short but CW is a little too tall, MP-52 scales much better with Takara's MP Megatron, Soundwave and Shockwave.
You did the Takara vs Make Toys and ranked it 7 to 5. And said Takara was tied with Deformation. So by that logic Deformation should beat Make Toys. Yet you aren't swapping out. What's the "Truth"? Just have a hard time reconciling the objective true comparison ranking and the choice you are making by not swapping out the Maketoys with Takara? We want your opinion but feel confused. We need a Deformation and Make Toys versus comparison.
I don't necessarily agree with, but can understand your opinions on every aspect of this comparison between the two figures except for one - you said the back cleans up better on the Deformation Space....lol wut?
EDIT: Other than that...great comparison video.
This demonstrates that you are fair. You trashed the Takara in the individual review and yet they tie here. This demonstrates that people trashing Takara are biased against Takara. I'm seeing a lot of the people that prefer the D.S. C.W. crapping on the opinions of people that prefer the Takara. But those that prefer the Takara are more accepting of people's opinions towards the D.S. C.W. I find this to be typical. People that prefer the 3P version are all to often rude..
I'm happy of people agreeing that they both do different things better and making a personal choice which is how we should all be viewing these.
On another note: If the subjective opinions are removed, (including build and materials because some copies of Takara's don't have the build problems or materials flaws you experienced which makes these subjective to me), and only go by objective facts Takara wins 6 to 1.
And price is relevant to the value put on the accessories, gimmics, and extra costs that Takara has such as advertising budget, higher employee costs, IP costs, etc...
You yourself say you'd rather pay more to get more and support a value equation but on your VS. you give a point to straight price. This is hypocrisy.
However, good video. Thanks for all you do.
I have all three, MT, Takara, and DS. Maketoys is the only one I'll keep all three Seekers for. Selling my Takara, and couldn't care less about my DS. I really think Maketoys destroys all of them STILL, especially after I discovered how to line up the cockpit in robot mode with the piece of cockpit on the waist in order to get that fantastic waist swivel. Yeah, it breaks up the tiniest piece of cockpit, but that's all. Maketoys looks better in plane mode for SURE, but the bright, vivid paint job on all three seekers and the sculpt on the Maketoys is the winner for me.
I myself prefer DS simply because it has a better presence on my shelf in bot mode compared to Maketoys. I will keep my Maketoys in plane and probably never ( maybe once ) transform the DS. I just find it interesting that they tie out even when Takara’s is just about double the price ( I know you accounted for it ).
Great review!
IGNORE THE NOISE BOBBY! You need to stay on TH-cam. You are my entetainment while I am working. Agree or disagree. :-)
MakeToys's ultimate sin : They made a MP seeker mold that was fun to transform .
... and also attached the weapons to the shoulders, where they aught to be connected according to the cartoon ...
I see those shoulders and arm gainz Bobby...GET IT!!!
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No question about it the swivel is awesome 👍
STILL the takara version looks better in quality n paint job. The DS looks cheap. 🤷
You respond to EVERY comment. It's really telling on your need for everyone to think you are cool and explain everything people dont like. Viewers don't want to hear 10 minutes about a couple or even one hundred comments. It's a waste of time to address haters. It shows you feel like you have to explain away everything
After having bought many official and third-party Transformers with frustrating, overly complicated and flimsy transformations, if an experienced reviewer cannot transform the figure properly, that's a very telling sign ... in terms of the product, not the reviewer.
Meanwhile tons of other reviewers transformed it just fine.
This is like in the Oscars, when a movie win only some tecnical categories but nobody cares about them. Accesories and gimmicks categories is like the same case here.
I don't buy a figure for those categories, but that's me.
Sadly I missed first batch of DS, but waiting for the second one.
Too bad the DS is so big, I think I'm at the point if someone mixed MP 52 with MT I would finally find my happy seeker place :P
RESPECT dude , you do you because you can! I'd rather have an objective opinion in these settings , this is a great review man keep it up!👊
Both are truly great figures. But the DS face sculpt just looks better than Takaras, and his transformation is cleaner, and his scale looks better alongside Megatron. In the end, the price also favors the DS. So in this, it seems the DS is clearly the winner.
I thought Takara was a bit dark at first, but......looking at the toon, it's damn close. I think we got Berenstain Beared into thinking Starscream is a very light gray.
I think this made me realize that none of the MP Starscreams work for me. I just do not care for the toon style. Deformation could have been my jam if it had the detail of MP-11, but. Yeah.
For me it's just that takara color is off, and the price. I got a CCS Toys Mazinger Zero, which I enjoy way more, for the same price.
Imo the hands on DS01 are better, since the thumb moves freely, on the mp the base of the thumb is fixed having it always at an awkward angle.
I think the Takara looks perfect. MP are too big for comfort but damn they look great. The Deformation’s chest window is too long and silly, ruins the whole thing.
I am sorry to hear that you are getting disillusioned because of those who feel you have to agree with their opinion to be worthy of listening to.
Whilst I don't watch many of your model review videos I do enjoy your channel BECAUSE I know that I might not always agree with you. I like that your honest statements can give me reason to change my own mind.
I agree. I watch for ur opinions. I often just skate to final thoughts. Our opinions are mostly similar. Even when not I know ur final thoughts are uncut & honest. The only time I questioned tht was ur take on the Bumblebee movie. I sensed tht u wanted it to fail & was unfair to it. At the end of the day I find ur bottom line reliable & know it's truthful
The third party has such a clean back!! The best backside ever on any of these jets! Period! I’m sold. The Takara’s grey is too dark! Will they ever get it right?
Pkease DO MAKETOYS V DEFORMATION SPACE…. And THANK YOU FOR THESE VIDEOS BROTHER
Don't talk about maketoys bobby when you do you anger they're ghost right now it's just turning lights on and off one day you'll walk in to your display room and every figure will be on the ground except for maketoys
for me, other than the sqeaky trasformation that I'm gonna lube up, ds is a no contest win for me by both the design and no faux cockpit
you shouldve just thrown the maketoys... 3min quick comp, or at least a few shots of the 3 models.. c'mon it was right there
Maketoys comparison, you cowards!
(Thank you for putting in the work for us.)
I can't stand MP Starscream's fixed thumbs. They're basically useless in a lot of cases.
DS can do the side splits, just that those front hip flaps are f*cking ridiculously tight!
Same sticking with my make toys version because seekers are not important enough to keep changing up lol they are to many different versions and besides I’m a autobot guy
I have them both. DS is more stable I am sticking it in jet mode. TT's is in scale and has that presence over DS - it will be posed in robot mode with Megatron. I love it.
That null ray transformation on Takara is just as annoying as the way they ruin their figures with opening doors and hoods, folding up guns (ie. 44 and 47)
Nah, I got Maketoys first version which is good. Not as good as takara but figure is about 3 years old. I would swap out if the price was right.
Nah, I got Maketoys first version which is good. Not as good as takara but figure is about 3 years old. I would swap out if the price was right.
Yeah definitely do Maketoys....although I'm not sure how well it'll hold up to these later models.
I do have to point out, albeit a little late, but the ds front kick skirt peice does come all the way up, it is a little sketchy but loosens up allowing for the full kick forward
I would like to see a MakeToys vs Deformation Space video because I have both on my shelf and cannot decide between them.
Maketoys comparison please, I kinda expected this to be a triple showdown...
Maketoys vs DS vs Takara? Are we going for a Number of the Beast 3 Way Tie?!?!
It’s not the lack of a waist swivel in the Takara one that bugs me… It’s that the cockpit is faux. Like… come on…
Yeah, sorry man - I think I'd love to see the Maketoys have a run here. My vote is for yes. DO IT. Great review as usual!
"I'm not going to get either, either." Cool sentence with the same word twice in a row, but pronounced differently.
Maketoys is 4 years old man, so it's about time to upgrade to Deformation if you're a MP collector.
I so want the Makes Toys vs DS. I want to see If Bobby will actually decide to change over 😁
For something to cost almost $300 not to have a waist swivel is unacceptable. Takara gets an automatic thumbs down on that point alone.
I wish NA oversized their seeker mold but with a few engineering improvements.
Great vs Bobby. Yeah others may have done it, but yours was the main event we were waiting for. Please do the make toys vs.
People like knowing if there's a weak part or if there's something to watch out for. We have all broke atleast on transformer
Like vs and agree with the DS. Bobby's the man. Honest reviews
Make toys and DS Space comparison please Skully 🌍🤔🌞
How many Sit Down Saturdays does it take to change a light bulb???
Haven’t watched the video yet but if ds loses I’m gonna be very shocked
"BOBBY-IMA TAKE MY TFS HOME IF YOU DONT STOP LEAVING ME NEGATIVE COMMENTS-FACE"
Still waiting for a Starscream with a clean F-15 undersides
Yes please for a comparison video of MakeToys vs Deformation Space!
Make toys vs Deformation space would be cool if you have time 😎
Great video Bobby! I have the takara, but i think I gotta buy the DS now too!
I think the takara is fine...ot looks cartoony....the ds is fine too...
Dude we're here to hear your thoughts man - I may not agree with you but I will defend to the death your right to say it man!
I prefer the takara version cause if the back I don't like the ds back
Would love the DS Vs MT! Big fan of this review man
Do you still display mp-11 or a different starscream?