Well I mean, I don’t think that’s true. Cause he was pretty suspect to a lot of people, not just him. He just happened to put his name on the document of complaints by the others. And quite frankly Pengu still remains the goat of the game. Shaiiko still has not accomplished as much as he has in the scene
Yap yap yap you know why cause his best years were wasted by a false ban pengu wouldn't have build his legacy like he did with shaiiko look at shaiikos game play from todays perspective that is pretty normal gameplay idk what got them thinking a macro could get somebody to aim like that move like that and have such an understanding of the game the claims were wonkey and when they released the footage of how the anti cheat is bs and not working i knew the ban isn't gonna get liftet any time soon the litterly proofed that the anti cheat is putting out false reports constantly@@ohitzrattly7378
@@ohitzrattly7378 to be able to accomplish more than shaiko, his only strategy was to get shaiko banned. Like the most obvious to go to strategy to win against someone better than you
@@ohitzrattly7378 I’d say in their primes shaiiko was better individual skill-wise, but Pengu was definitely better when it comes to team contribution and success.
@@ohitzrattly7378 Can't lift that hammer if he lost his chance to play because of Pengu(cataclyst) and the fools behind the AC that refused to acknowledge their AC flaws. Any Osu player would be able to replicate the 4444 issue. Since he already proved himself winning a major in a field where there's so many new talents and competition was fierced. That's more than enough to certified himself. Dude was and still literally the most consistent in terms of performance except for the Grand Final this year. While Pengu was already near having a slump most likely because of the newer talents and also they don't really had much competition winning the previous Six Invitational until the other teams caught up. And when they lost to BDS, every other pro that accused Shaiiko cheating couldn't even keep up at their level at the time and fell off few events later. BDS is still a strong contender RN.
@ Shaiiko isn’t even a top 2 player on bds anymore, Yuzus and Likefac have both been consistently better this year internationally. Shaiko isn’t the best player on the world anymore and hasn’t been for quite a while now. Even if Shaiiko was never banned he wouldn’t have lifted the hammer anyway. Penta were gonna win 2018, it was pretty much destined. And 2019 was even more dominant than that. SI > Major generally speaking. Shaiiko is one of the best but not THE best. I will only give that to someone who has achieved the biggest achievement in siege history. Pengu isn’t even to blame for that, he just got blamed cause people wanted a scapegoat and he happened to be the one to forward the complaints.
@@ohitzrattly7378 Being a top player and being consistent is completely different. That's why I say he's the most consistent I never say he's the current best consider he underperformed in the Invitational.
Personally, no. The accusation was about "having more information than what was possibly available to him" 2 things; Nothing was found in regards to ESP. BeGenius showed exactly what got Shaiiko flagged happening in other people's MOSS files. We've all had The Feeling™and some times we just play way better and feel like we understand exactly what is going on and how to counter it.
btw if begenius/shaiiko could have proven that shaiiko wasnt cheating he wouldnt have been banned but thesy werent able to so he got abnned and begenius permabanned from r6 esport
They brought evidence to ESL of him not having any macro software on his PC. They brought evidence of the "macro script" detected by MOSS in other players MOSS files. ESL just didn't want to back down because Penta was the big money makers for ESL, every time they were streamed, viewership was increased by a considerable amount. The accusation also had nothing to do with Macro's. Quoting Pengu "he seemed to have more information than should possibly be available to him" Nothing was found in regards to ESP, only the "macro". Shaiiko was unbanned by ESL early, after going through a "cheater Rehabilitation program" This doesn't require you to admit to cheating, despite many people saying it does. No where in the terms either now or back then does it state that admission is part of the Rehab application. But it does require a written document on why cheating is bad. This is also under NDA between ESL and Shaiiko and both parties would have to consent to make it public, so we're never going to know. He has been adamant in interviews since the ban and since the unban that he was never cheating, which if admission was a part of the agreement, surely denial would revoke that early ban. With the only talking about it we've had in any "official" capacity is in a Podcast hosted by Inter (A caster, not an admin) featuring Pengu, the accuser, and Canadian,(Pengu's friend) who had nothing to do with it. We will never know for 100% if he was cheating or not. The only person who knows that is Shaiiko. But given the evidence shown, I personally believe that he was not.
if he really was using a macro that helped him input the '4' key (operator special ability) at a humanly impossible rate, to this day I still have a couple of questions: 1. How come there wasn't an animation of his operator pulling out and putting back in (or turning on/off) their special ability? Like if you're playing Hibana, if you press 4 multiple times she'll only press the detonation button of X-Kairos launcher once? 2. Secondly, how does pressing of special ability key rapidly give you competitive advantage? A cheater can never have that kind of skill especially on LAN.
Clean player 🤘 back in this era of siege the sound worked marginally better, so tracing people on closer angles makes sense to me, even the prefire on the blue guy after the stair kill, he would've heard him step out into the lounge area. Guy is a freak, just sucks his team is always mid at best
I do think he was cheating at the time but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good at the game, he’s clearly one of the most talented siege players in history
Pengu should get in trouble for this sucks he didn’t was a false ban and a whole organization that lost a chance to go pro cause of some guys ego not letting someone be better then him
ok cool. but, does someone knows what was the "official" reply of BG or shaiiko about the 444444 thing? they just pretend it did not happen, and we all as society moved on?
We all know Shiko wasnt cheating but none of y'all can't say that you didn't see at least 1 time when it was fishy... I love shiko and he's def a top 3 to 5 best player of all time alone Pengu and Joystick but I saw 2 parts in that game alone where I'm like that's a little sus. 1. When he flick on I think goga when he was on the back stairs on club house and he shot through the window when there was no cam or the window wasn't broken. Like that was sus. And 2. When he jump into the kitchen window on coastline and got a headshot through the mental wall. Both of those times I can definitely see why pp say he's cheating. But of course we all know he's not I'm just saying those 2 moments was kind of sus ASF.
Do You think Shaiiko was a cheater and his ban was deserved?🤔
Shaiiko is GOAT
Pengu just didnt wanted to admit that someone could be better than him
Well I mean, I don’t think that’s true. Cause he was pretty suspect to a lot of people, not just him. He just happened to put his name on the document of complaints by the others. And quite frankly Pengu still remains the goat of the game. Shaiiko still has not accomplished as much as he has in the scene
@@ohitzrattly7378 he was banned falsely for 2 years so yeah ofc he hasn't achieved as much
Yap yap yap you know why cause his best years were wasted by a false ban pengu wouldn't have build his legacy like he did with shaiiko look at shaiikos game play from todays perspective that is pretty normal gameplay idk what got them thinking a macro could get somebody to aim like that move like that and have such an understanding of the game the claims were wonkey and when they released the footage of how the anti cheat is bs and not working i knew the ban isn't gonna get liftet any time soon the litterly proofed that the anti cheat is putting out false reports constantly@@ohitzrattly7378
@@ohitzrattly7378 to be able to accomplish more than shaiko, his only strategy was to get shaiko banned. Like the most obvious to go to strategy to win against someone better than you
@@ohitzrattly7378 I’d say in their primes shaiiko was better individual skill-wise, but Pengu was definitely better when it comes to team contribution and success.
biggest proof he wasnt cheating was when he came back to pro leauge and marked his spot as the best siege player to play the game
I can’t really agree since he’s never lifted that hammer
@@ohitzrattly7378 Can't lift that hammer if he lost his chance to play because of Pengu(cataclyst) and the fools behind the AC that refused to acknowledge their AC flaws. Any Osu player would be able to replicate the 4444 issue.
Since he already proved himself winning a major in a field where there's so many new talents and competition was fierced. That's more than enough to certified himself.
Dude was and still literally the most consistent in terms of performance except for the Grand Final this year.
While Pengu was already near having a slump most likely because of the newer talents and also they don't really had much competition winning the previous Six Invitational until the other teams caught up. And when they lost to BDS, every other pro that accused Shaiiko cheating couldn't even keep up at their level at the time and fell off few events later.
BDS is still a strong contender RN.
@ Shaiiko isn’t even a top 2 player on bds anymore, Yuzus and Likefac have both been consistently better this year internationally. Shaiko isn’t the best player on the world anymore and hasn’t been for quite a while now.
Even if Shaiiko was never banned he wouldn’t have lifted the hammer anyway. Penta were gonna win 2018, it was pretty much destined. And 2019 was even more dominant than that. SI > Major generally speaking. Shaiiko is one of the best but not THE best. I will only give that to someone who has achieved the biggest achievement in siege history. Pengu isn’t even to blame for that, he just got blamed cause people wanted a scapegoat and he happened to be the one to forward the complaints.
@@ohitzrattly7378 Being a top player and being consistent is completely different. That's why I say he's the most consistent I never say he's the current best consider he underperformed in the Invitational.
Personally, no.
The accusation was about "having more information than what was possibly available to him"
2 things;
Nothing was found in regards to ESP.
BeGenius showed exactly what got Shaiiko flagged happening in other people's MOSS files.
We've all had The Feeling™and some times we just play way better and feel like we understand exactly what is going on and how to counter it.
btw if begenius/shaiiko could have proven that shaiiko wasnt cheating he wouldnt have been banned but thesy werent able to so he got abnned and begenius permabanned from r6 esport
They brought evidence to ESL of him not having any macro software on his PC.
They brought evidence of the "macro script" detected by MOSS in other players MOSS files.
ESL just didn't want to back down because Penta was the big money makers for ESL, every time they were streamed, viewership was increased by a considerable amount.
The accusation also had nothing to do with Macro's. Quoting Pengu "he seemed to have more information than should possibly be available to him"
Nothing was found in regards to ESP, only the "macro".
Shaiiko was unbanned by ESL early, after going through a "cheater Rehabilitation program" This doesn't require you to admit to cheating, despite many people saying it does.
No where in the terms either now or back then does it state that admission is part of the Rehab application.
But it does require a written document on why cheating is bad. This is also under NDA between ESL and Shaiiko and both parties would have to consent to make it public, so we're never going to know.
He has been adamant in interviews since the ban and since the unban that he was never cheating, which if admission was a part of the agreement, surely denial would revoke that early ban. With the only talking about it we've had in any "official" capacity is in a Podcast hosted by Inter (A caster, not an admin) featuring Pengu, the accuser, and Canadian,(Pengu's friend) who had nothing to do with it.
We will never know for 100% if he was cheating or not. The only person who knows that is Shaiiko. But given the evidence shown, I personally believe that he was not.
if he really was using a macro that helped him input the '4' key (operator special ability) at a humanly impossible rate, to this day I still have a couple of questions:
1. How come there wasn't an animation of his operator pulling out and putting back in (or turning on/off) their special ability? Like if you're playing Hibana, if you press 4 multiple times she'll only press the detonation button of X-Kairos launcher once?
2. Secondly, how does pressing of special ability key rapidly give you competitive advantage?
A cheater can never have that kind of skill especially on LAN.
Clean player 🤘 back in this era of siege the sound worked marginally better, so tracing people on closer angles makes sense to me, even the prefire on the blue guy after the stair kill, he would've heard him step out into the lounge area. Guy is a freak, just sucks his team is always mid at best
Nice Video, pls more of this👍
Thanks, will do 🙏
I do think he was cheating at the time but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good at the game, he’s clearly one of the most talented siege players in history
Pengu should get in trouble for this sucks he didn’t was a false ban and a whole organization that lost a chance to go pro cause of some guys ego not letting someone be better then him
The R6 players just cannot shake the awful mumble rap beats... 😣
ok cool. but, does someone knows what was the "official" reply of BG or shaiiko about the 444444 thing? they just pretend it did not happen, and we all as society moved on?
dude was def cheating
We all know Shiko wasnt cheating but none of y'all can't say that you didn't see at least 1 time when it was fishy... I love shiko and he's def a top 3 to 5 best player of all time alone Pengu and Joystick but I saw 2 parts in that game alone where I'm like that's a little sus. 1. When he flick on I think goga when he was on the back stairs on club house and he shot through the window when there was no cam or the window wasn't broken. Like that was sus. And 2. When he jump into the kitchen window on coastline and got a headshot through the mental wall. Both of those times I can definitely see why pp say he's cheating. But of course we all know he's not I'm just saying those 2 moments was kind of sus ASF.
@@koolgameninja2960 bro thats called lucky shots / tries that ALL player did at least one time in the game
@douit8509 and what about the kitchen window kill?
that was a spectator bug bro. He was allegedly using macro not freaking aimbot😅
There was a valk cam outside when he shot capitao through the barricade
@sMjR6Moments oh really that makes sense but what about when he got a headshot through a metal wall? In coastline
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