That was the whole plot of the story and then we have people watching these operators around the world. When the Rainbow team isn’t supposed to be showing their faces as it’s a secret unit. Also I know for a fact that realistically speaking there wouldn’t be that many women in the group.
Yeah and it was a villain who's entire motivation was "what the fuck did you do to Team Rainbow?" Like he encapsulates Old Rainbow Fans who remember and want it to be a tactical squad shooter against Terrorists and not a PvP Hero Shooter, and instead of being a villain people want dead, he's the only character people like in the entire game.
I absolutely love this game and have 5000 plus hours in it over the years, but the game is so far gone from its original roots and doesn’t even deserve to have “Tom Clancy” in its name anymore
@@Yes-qj1kf that's literally what I'm saying well besides the healing drone of course that one is not as bad but everything else about the game it doesn't really seem like how it is before I mainly bought the game because the of the realism it had even the atmosphere felt realistic too they even remove the old intro and the background of the game it used to be all dark and serious Now its all colorful and doesn't take it self serious over the years they slowly took that part out even terrorist hunt bro and nobody complained about it they even took my boy recruit for some reason and literally and I mean nobody in the community asks for him to get removed and be replaced with new operators that was just straight up lazy and the last straw for me was when they brought in the new operator that is literally in a fucking wheelchair and you're not even playing as her you're just playing as her toys honestly I can see why the community is leaving the game I just realized it's too late
Siege before felt like operators going against operators, Siege now seems like a gang of crackheads fighting another gang of crackheads after they all took a trip to comicon and someone dared to start an argument about waifus
For me the game died when they completely removed the original house map from the game. Yes it wasn't a great map, but not even being able to play the original house map on custom matches just killed the game for me and my friends. The original house was like R6S's very own 2Fort. It wasn't great but it was a map with charm.
Fr bro, when they reworked house it all went down hill. I stopped since year 4 (came back a lil in year 5) and just came back this year snd its a totally different game, it lost the charm that got me playing 7-11 in 2017-18
Ready or Not is a good game, but it will never fully scratch the itch of launch siege since it doesnt have pvp (to my knowledge) or destruction to the level of siege
its also really sad seeing the direction VOID took with RON. horrible AI, ai generated art, horrible 1.0 release with a DLC right after, etc. RON feels like a prototype, and it makes me pissed.
Fortnite is partially at fault here. It gave shooter devs this impression that cameos and character skins are where the money is at. Instead of content and balancing updates. Similar thing happened to Cod.
Here's the most baffling thing about Siege's current direction. They HAD Single player missions. They HAD PvE coop. They RUNINED it through various updates, but then decided to try to go BACK to the gritty feel that their old vision was, and instead of trying to improve the existing single player missions, add more PvE coop missions using the already existing models they made for the cinematics, they just removed both the existing Single Player and coop maps, and replaced them with two inferior "warmup" options
You also gotta realize that having T hunt servers available at all times costs money as there are just inactive servers at all times that need to be maintained.
Old siege will still hold a place in my heart. It was fun. Current siege is so lost from the original theme, new players can enjoy it but it's sad they wont ever play when siege was at its peak. (That being around parabelum season for me)
Some of the peak seasons in siege for me were velvet shell, Red Crow, chimera, grim sky and blood orchid. Added pretty realistic operators and had solid maps. Lore still felt realistic and we had agog on everything. Ubisoft ruined siege and Tom Clancy as a whole
@JoshR842 chimera was a goated season. Having the event was fun to play and felt like the game wasnt just solely a pvp game and could maybe bring in the coop pve aspect into the game which alot of people would actually love to play but too bad they fumbled that and tried to do react.
@@JoshR842 chimera probably was the best season I've personally played, the outbreak event was something straight out of cod zombies but it was so fun that you'll forgot about it. Also I have some remorse towards Blood Orchid for taking apart the acogs of the MP7 and the 416
i dont know the names of the seasons. but last time that i recall this game being good was in the first year, before mozzie and gridlock. when echo was the newest character, he was probably the last cool character in the game.
@@TakehisaYuji I've discovered siege around that time, but I started playing it in velvet Shell which was the season after red crow. My god it was so good. I remember saving up to buy the crossfaded skin but couldn't manage to get it ☹️
Not having realistic-looking ops is what kills it for me. I first started to play R6 back before Blackbeard came out and it was great to see how much they tried to copy somewhat accurate attire for ops. Honestly, that part of the game alone helped me stay even with the constant 200ms ping on asia servers (they had very few datacenters in asia back then. You had to force it to connect to the lowest ping server via notepad).
I started back in white noise, and I played for quite a while. But Holy shit I tried not too long ago, and they have literally ruined everything about the game. Couldn't play it
@@ArberArapi Playing defense on house was scary bro. Fuze cluster charge on bedroom window while Glaz waits on top of tower looking at 2f hallway through the big window on stairs was heart pumping if nobody played Jager lol
Every game loses its identity as soon as they bring in competitive game tournaments like Esports. Siege went from playing tactically with friends to lean spamming and pixel peaking. Cod went from playing with friends trying to level up and get to the highest prestige, to power sliding, diving and sweating. Fortnite went from a fun arcade type battle royal, to sweat building. All games die, when they get too competitive.
From what I’ve seen. Half the time it’s when they force the competitive side onto the casual side, and the other half when they start putting in content that goes against the original theme of the game.
"In a game built specifically for PvP competition, it sucks that other players are better than I am." -Translated by Google Translate Straight up just a skill issue my boy.
@@Chanse1989 but in all seriousness. The “competitive” players that I deal with throw fits and sabotage games when you use a weapon that is to good in a pve side mode because they think you don’t deserve the kills. Or when they get items reworked because they can’t get easy kills against players that use them thus making them useless in non competitive.
I will always support non realistic decisions that will improve the quality of the game for balancing. However the UwU anime girls and certain pandering really kills it for me.
@@spagettete_obviously that’s not the point, if people want to see anime girls then they should idk, watch anime or play some game like Fortnite, but to be dedicated to being grounded with reality for over 5 years then for them to go and ruin it. It’s pretty clear they only pander because siege is really the only game keeping Ubisoft above water.
I would agree. Like the reinforcements just appearing out of thin air and stuff like that that people used to complain about is fine. Its just like you said the skins and lore that ruins it for me
@@FemboiMars hey, leave the duckies out of this…. But come on bro, there’s a difference between running around with a tiny pickle dangling from your gun then a whole pickle Rick gassing the enemies 💀
I returned to Siege about 7 years after I left, and lemme tell you, the skins they have now make it so much harder to identify operators. The crossover skins are particularly bad since it literally changes who the op is, or changes their look so drastically, I can't tell who they are (those Rick & Morty skins, my god). Whenever I kill someone wearing one of these outfits, I'm always like "Okay, I got... someone" rather than "Okay, I got Jager". I always say you had to have been there when the skin released in order to tell who it's supposed to be. You'd remember a new skin came out for, say, Ash and know it's supposed to be Ash wearing one of the new outfits. For new or returning players, we weren't there for its release and we're left guessing who it's supposed to be.
bro I play fairly decent and it still fucks up your aim when holding a pixel peak and Rick's monstrous greyish blue hair spikes enter your FOV... All of those spikes are as big as a head and the head of rick and morty are twice the size of a normal head and I have no idea where I should aim...
I wish they would let you turn skins off. I love the original idea of real counter terrorism units coming together to train with eachother and fight real threats. And having each season be based around a new country would have been super cool. I just hope that ubi will give us a proper rainbow six game at some point
Trying to make the game lore heavy while being a multiplayer only was a mistake. It's like trying to give CS:GO a deep lore and trying to make sense of everything that's happening in game. They tried to do what Overwatch did by being a lore heavy multiplayer game. Difference is that whole premise of Overwatch was bright and colorful heroes with unique personalities interacting with each other. Meanwhile R6 is about counter terrorism unit doing hostage rescues and bomb defusing. They should've just added a single player campaign if they wanted to add lore to the game
Couldn't agree more. If they're spending so much time building a storyline and lore then where is that in the game? Aside from the goofy cinematics that I skip every season, the "lore" is completely absent from the game. In fact they've removed useful lore concepts like Ela and Zofia attributes. I was always hopeful that eventually the game's lore would coincide with the release of a multi-player co-op missions mode where you battle the White Masks, like Article 5 mission at Bartlett University. It wasn't perfect but I played that over and over for the fun of having an extended mission while matchmaking with random people and having a blast. Where is that story line? Why did we go from that to operators with robot arms, cyborg operators, fantasy space weapons, etc.
I remember when i was in the marines my buddies got so hyped when cav and cap were released because one was from brazil and the other's parents were from brazil. It was so cool actually learning things about different countries through rainbow.
Back in like 2017-2018 when i tought of the most realistic tactical game it was r6 siege, it was my favorite game ever back then, look at what they did to my boy.
I kinda miss the dark and misty atmosphere from back then. At times it had the thrill of a horror game when you entered a building. And the more realistic recoil was cool imo. It felt less like CoD. That was cool! I still love playing Siege tho.
Removing the old maps was really the nail in the coffin for them especially house it was the 1v1 and 2v2 map for fun. They could've had twice the amount of content but ruined it 😂
I from Portugal and waited years for an operator and a map. We got Tubarao that doesn't represent nothing related to Portugal and a generic map with an unknown location...
I miss when seasons had themes, each season had its own art and theme inspired by the country of origin for the new ops, or the operation as a whole in the case of Outbreak and Grim Sky, from the maps, the weapons the ops are using which is also used by their CTUs, the music, the animated intro main screen we used to have (press any key), and the seasonal weapon skins themselves, after 2019, it all went downhill not just the balancing, but thematically as well, you can really see it with the battle pass, I don't remember a single battle pass that has a consistent theme across all its items, it just shows that they put random bundles to fill the BPs, and don't get me started with the universall weapon skins included there, they are awful And the name change, the awful UI, the operator designs (which got really good I won't lie), the map reworks that get rid of what made the old map unique (Oregon), god, what with Ubisoft downgrading the things that made me love their games
To me the most disappointing part about the lore is the overall pacing. They deploy the story over the course of a year using one CGI animation, 4 short animations and 4 comics. While the animations are connected to the comics withhin the same season, they seem to barely relate outside of the season. It is almost like writers want to explore a cool story about a character but they get distracted by their new favourite toy (the next operator). An example would be nighthavens absence while team rainbow was hunting deimos. Considering the trouble he caused nighthaven I expect nighthaven to do more than to wait until deimos is arrested to show up again inform of having osa being the creator of talos and colossus.
You'd think that a PMC like Nighthaven, whose actions at times are definitely morally and legally questionable, would try to off the guy who caused them so much trouble... but apparently not.
I left the game after the season where Flores dropped because of school and just a lack of desire to keep relearning maps and ops. Coming back in 2024 before the skopos season I felt like I had never even touched the game other than I remembered some maps
When it comes to realistic aesthetics, what the devs should do is something similar to MWIII where the base design of operators features a "mil-sim" design while reserving the more unrealistic skins, like Godzilla, for DLC
When i first started to play i only played on fridays and weekends so during the week when i was at school all i could think during my breaks was how excited i was to play siege. One thing i remember is that i used to love looking at all the different special forces and the weapons they used and seeing that in game. I was so fascinated by how each country had their own CTU own weapons, uniform and history. I would look up the real CTUs in real life and it would just make me want to play siege more. So the new direction that the game is taking does make me a little sad because it really enhanced my game experience
It looks like there's a continuing wrestling match between the dev team trying to maintain the original vision, and Ubisoft executives impulsively chasing the latest trends.
The tried to tie the lore with multiplayer, which is hard to get right. They should've made a story mode for the lore like a campaign, and just have the multiplayer as this "what if" scenario
I remember being sooooo excited for Patriots. I read about it in my GameInformer. I think that game was canned because it was an entire game about a terrorist organization (and supposedly some Rainbow Operators) kidnapping and threatening to kill greedy CEOs and high level individuals in society due to their actions and choices. So I bet a lot of stuffed shirts at Ubisoft felt uncomfortable about it and decided to trend chase when hero shooters were getting bigger so they canned Patriots. At least that’s what I think happened
Same,I pretty much stopped playing R6S and started caring about RoN instead. RoN is basically what R6S should've been. A dark,gritty and realistic tactical shooter that has these trained professionals going against armed terrorists,not a bunch of guys in costumes with guns fighting in a dumb tournament
Appreciate the time you took to show the devolution of the title. As someone who played almost all of the original Rainbow Six's and Ghost Recons, that were fantastic and some of the best games at that time, it's a shame to see the core DNA ripped out to just fit in like all of the other shooters. Indie is where it's at! Good work!
Started playing in 2017 and played till 2019 non stop for 3000+ total, but i stopped playing fully in 2020. No more dead bodies, graphics and gameplay is arcady, gunplay no longer feels the same since the new recoil rework, gay shit being added, and so on. It just feels mediocre at best nowadays, i don't get the same joy i used to from siege, and i ccan't jsut chill and imemrse myself in the atmosphere the game used to have. Night maps were fun and looks nice, but they removed it and man do i miss old siege. I am somewhat a pro too, but i don't focus on rank that much so my peak was diamond 5, but my kd is mostly 1,3 across all seasons.
If Ubisoft cared about their fans, they'd make an E3 version of Siege with a new engine and build current siege off that but make current siege free. Also, giving an e3 version of siege a level based pve would be cool.
the explanation for this is simple, new management came in, demanded Siege start printing money like fornite and COD. Everything but the skins and microtransaction department got cut to the bone, the story was butchered to accommodate the 'general audience' and the in game cash shop. The fact that siege was destroyed in the process and us a shell of its former self is being drowning out by the oceans of money being generated by these scummy tactics
I don't see why not. Knowing how irrelevant to gameplay the lore has become I doubt they'd even remove them from the game. It's simply for the cinematics and comics they're making.
I always thought it would be cool to have operator specific/exclusive charms, because you would be able to show character and personality with that and having them bright and colourful.
R6: We are a top secret multi-national counter terrorism unit. We must be kept a secret from the world so the enemies don't know our missions, tactics and identities Also R6: Let's hold a giant airsoft match in front of a crowded stadium and televise it to the world like it's the Olympics, so everyone knows our tactics and identities.
Old Siege gave birth to a special place with me. I loved to main the Recruit due to his uniqueness with a super wide weapon choice and versatile gadgets. I would perform clever moves like a Ballistic Shield with a Frag, C4 under Barbedwire, etc. Due to his low pick rate it made me feel more standout when I would perform fairly well with him, and it would even give birth to an idea of a Rebel Soldier, striking out against the Rainbow member for the lack of respect he was given, even the inspiration for my PFP. Then Recruit would be taken away indefinitely, replaced and no longer hold the same magic.
Pre-year 1 was peak. Everything after that went to shit since they wanted people to pay for new operators. And id say all of it sid have an impact on gameplay since they always were trying to one-up previous operators and completely disrupting the core rock, paper, scissors mechanics of the original operators
Might be a unpopular opinion, but I miss the old lightning before y2s3 (where they improve it). I liked the dark areas, night maps. Yes it was difficult but it was part of the game
I left the game for this reason, I didn't like how they were twisting R6's identity and didn't like many technical moves either. It breaks my heart because I've tried to play the game again but I just don't feel the soul it used to have, that thing that made it special and made it stand out above other games.
I still wish we'd gotten Patriots instead. There is a complete lack of single-player tactical shooters these days, whereas always-online hero shooters are a dime and a dozen.
Remember when the game was tactical shooter with counter terrorism groups teaming up together? Now we have a game that has the writing and characters we would see in a anime.
every long running tittle has to evolve to keep its audience, skins are part of that, nobody would pay for recolor skins, they want different uniform, animated skins. siege is still a toned down version of other shooters compared to other games like cod, it's full blown animated galore, and not a military fps game anymore
Honestly it isn't a matter of it WILLINGLY toning that down. It's most likely if they added the crazy shit you see in Valorant or COD the game would shit itself. That or the new skins would just make you invisible as they tend to have some every update they add any.
This shift honestly doesn't full surprise me. Especially when you understand the bizzare shifts in management for these titles that have been live for a good chunk of time. There is a core vision but once something that isnt fully intended or was a mistake ends up drawing in more poeple and with that money. So why try to nuture the audience you where casting a small net for when you can go bigger and pull in a larger haul. For us who love that tactical/milsim aesthetic and gameplay, seige and other shooters are no longer made for us. It sucks but the quicker we can accept some of our beloved titles are no longer for us the better we can branch out and experience projects and games that are made for our tastes.
As a fan of Rainbow Six since 1998, this sounds like a woman who got a man to get a divorce, married him, then gets surprised when he cheats on her a few years later. Brother, the identity was lost a decade ago.
The saddest thing is that all of this flies in the face of the first parts of Siege's name. Which, is frequently omitted, because of how disconnected they are! RAINBOW SIX. AN ESTABLISHED UNIVERSE. Completely tossed away.
I've played since y8 s1 but can tell the game really started to become a hero shooter or a unrealistic game when iana released. But its officially been gone since sens released.
Not having a campaign mode was the main reason I didn't buy the game until like five or six years after release(I got it on sale). When I do play the game, everything is just so weird. They do the same thing that Call of Duty does. Break any immersion you were already struggling to have with goofy skins and super powers that in no way reflect the vision Tom Clancy would have had. I'll play the game casually every now and then and it can be fun but I don't really see it as anywhere near what Rainbow actually was.
Very well said, thank you. What I liked, that the operators had a little bit hidden identity in the beginning, with masks and helmets and all that special force stuff.
I remember trying to get a team of people interested in tactics. But unfortunately everyone has that supersoldier mentality. All they have to have is wits and a fast reaction time with precise aim. The whole idea of siege was Special weapons and tactics. However the headshot shit began early. Even I have an old video reel of someone trying to spawn peek in Oregon and I flick one shot them with a pistol. It became a peek fest. It is a tactic for defenders to utilize everything to their advantage but shield users were severely underpowered in the game. But again it's all about tactics. If I were to change Siege back into a tactical game I would have the gadgets installed on a map before you spawn in. There is far too little time for people to setup the map a certain way and far too little time to execute the operation for the attacking team. It turned into a hot mess when they introduced banning an operator (it is why I left and never came back since.) But again the game was ruined by so many players trying to turn siege into another call of duty, where the traps were an after thought. I get that they needed to have something to identify the traps. But in a real world situation the defenders would want the traps as hidden as possible. The people who ruined the game the most were the toxic players. Siege should have stayed true to its origins and not released map specific operators. Instead they should have stuck to the original plan and just updated the old operators to have different abilities unlocked through time. I haven't played the game since they started the whole ban thing so forgive me if I haven't even watched any gameplay of this game since. But I would have had a progression system similar to metal gear online. Such as for ash: if you keep getting killed within a minute of running and gunning she should get armor and get speed reduced. Making her hard to kill with bullets but not taking away any weapons. For fuse, with his grenade launcher, if you keep killing yourself with your own grenade launcher it should have the grenades set to a certain direction, but launching them further away. If you keep getting your Thermite pads electrocuted by blitz then you should have the fuze blow up immediately when electrocuted. They should have evolved the technology they were using. If the twitch drone kept getting shot down too easily then the drone should be slower, more quiet, but harder to kill. And instead of zapping the enemy to alert presence she should have it go completely invisible in a corner so that, even in the event of the enemy being notified of getting spotted all of the time looking to destroy her drone they would have to resort to using a grenade to get rid of it at a corner. At the same time when Mira's mirror keeps getting zapped off there should be a way to keep it forever locked in place so that they cannot open the mirror, but it is much larger, forcing a peeker to use the sides or to shoot at the feet of the attackers. But the window can't be broken down. Another defender, rook, if his plates aren't good enough because his team is getting head shorted he should give the defenders a helmet similar to what counterstrike has. It can take a few bullets before it gives the headshot. They should have evolved the technology but had the progression system of metal gear online. It is through experience over time that evolves their technology. If the window God was too much then tachanka should have had a boost to his armor on his Gatling gun so he could cover that window by allowing him to crouch with it. There was so much promise with that game but they opted for banning an operator or taking out grenades. Come on.
As someone who played other Rainbow Six games, I feel that Siege itself is a loss of identity for Rainbow Six. One that, in some weird and roundabout way, kinda got sorta back with Extraction (if we ignore that the enemies are an alien virus, not bio-terrorists). So, in some way, I am actually GLAD that some of the old characters now return in some fashion, as it gives, at least storywise, Rainbow Six part of its history back (still, no more Ding Chavez - and no, John Conor Chavez, either), as Siege just felt so... disconnected and unrelated to me until then.
I remember playing the situations missions over and over again ,they were so immersive and I HATE the fact that they removed these missions and terrorist hunt
No no, they fucked up by using the same build for esports as for consumers. So consumers watch the esports and see their strats and thus Ubisoft have to balance it for the esports crowd. But the reason I stopped playing was the fucking lack of support for solo players. Every time an operator is decent enough for solo play, it gets abused in esports aaaand now the op is nerfed. The final nail was the fucking operator vote dealio
5:30 The special forces picture is actually a picture of airsoft players 😅. You can tell because of the mesh mask. Ig you could where mesh mask with real steal, but there isnt really a point....
You know I remember back then my friend recommended Rainbow Six Siege and I honestly liked it because I had a tactical military type of gameplay and it felt more realistic now I don't even barely play the game anymore I just can't get myself to play it bro ever since the new season with the robot it just doesn't feel right
It’s not that unrealistic because Boston dynamics and the weapons technology for such a thing is just it’s already there. It’s just slightly unfinished.
Like most games, when they started adding new characters who had departed from the modern day, I saw the direction this game was taking. You said it best, it lost it's identity.
I’ve always thought about a game mode for siege where everybody is a 2 speed recruit and each side has just enough gadgets and equipments for planning and strats but less reliant on crazy abilities and more reliant on gun fighting and strategy.
I definitely think games need to think of collabs that make sense. Fortnite can literally do whatever they want. Dead by daylight and fnaf collab coming 2025 makes sense cause they're both horror games. Running around as Mr meseeks from Rick and Morty on Ace doesn't make any sense and I never expected that collab. The Dead By Daylight skins in siege make sense though cause kapkan got trapper skin and he's a trap op and finka got huntress because finka is resilient just like huntress in her lore and makes me actuallly enjoy using her.
I stopped playing siege years ago, and it was one of the healthiest decisions in my life. I feel like, in hindsight, I have dodged a freight train of a bullet.
Contrary to what a lot of people think i don’t think the alien event was where seige left its roots. That was just a fun Halloween event. Where Seige lost the grounded story was when six was replaced and the new six put all these tier one operators on a Olympics style tournament for the world to see (mind you that most operators in Rainbow from the books are supposed to have classified identities like the black bars on faces kind)
Besides your remarks about the Lore, which I never really followed myself, the biggest shifts I noticed were as mentioned, the brighter and more colorful menu and skins but more importantly the shift in gameplay. I have just started playing again after basically a few years and I am confused why we can vote in standard matches (once called „casual“) but people always choose the first option (upstairs) all the time. Also, most people didn‘t even reinforce, but I guess now that SBMM is ranking me higher, that got a little less. I don‘t know about Ranked, because I can‘t play it. I had a verified account wirh my phone number years ago but it seems to have been removed (maybe I did it and don‘t remember) and now I can’t add it back. Contacted Ubisoft, who didn‘t help me. The game is fun and even though I put a ton of hours into it I am slowly learning it again, keeping up with new operators and maps, and trying to become better than when I first played the game, but it feels very different.
This is a huge reason why I quit siege years ago. There’s just an over-saturation of characters and ridiculous things you’d see in games like Valorant not to mention the ridiculous cosmetics, no issues with like an anime gun camo or something but the other stuff is just ridiculous. The final nail in the coffin was Ubi removing so many features like TH, that one zombie side mode they took away and sold it as a separate game with a different look, and ruined my beloved House.
every so often I’ll go on a nostalgia trip of early siege. I realized that we’re coming up on 10 years since launch. I haven’t played consistently since 2020 or so, I absolutely hate the game that this became. They had no balls abandoning the white mask story line. They sanitized everything that could be controversial, pandered to everyone, then it lost its soul while to gain a larger playerbase and more proleague money. sad to see it
As someone who started during year 1 and stopped around year 4 I will say the tonal change and atmosphere had changed quite drastically and one of the reasons I stopped playing
Removing Terrorist Hunt was a fucking sin.
Never forget the white mask
For real. Terrorist Hunt is like one of the core gamemodes for a Rainbow Six game.
Facts
Nah, the Top 1 sin and purely evil thus showing R6 become very bad was the removing of the recruit in ranked
That was the whole plot of the story and then we have people watching these operators around the world. When the Rainbow team isn’t supposed to be showing their faces as it’s a secret unit.
Also I know for a fact that realistically speaking there wouldn’t be that many women in the group.
Ubisoft downfall made the villain the only likeable character in siege.
That's how bad things got.
They did what they do with FarCry!
Make annoying allies, but lovable villains.
@@RedCommando1084I will not take cheeseburger slander
@@PaladinofVulkanthe animals dont count
Yeah and it was a villain who's entire motivation was "what the fuck did you do to Team Rainbow?" Like he encapsulates Old Rainbow Fans who remember and want it to be a tactical squad shooter against Terrorists and not a PvP Hero Shooter, and instead of being a villain people want dead, he's the only character people like in the entire game.
@@PaladinofVulkan all hail cheeseburger
I absolutely love this game and have 5000 plus hours in it over the years, but the game is so far gone from its original roots and doesn’t even deserve to have “Tom Clancy” in its name anymore
Yeah pretty much agree with everything you said.
Same bro honestly I can't even bring myself to play the new season bro it just doesn't feel right like a crippled lady with a robot really
@@Crazinatoryou can’t be serious. We have ops that can fly threw windows, people that make a fake clone, nanobites that heal people
@@Yes-qj1kf that's literally what I'm saying well besides the healing drone of course that one is not as bad but everything else about the game it doesn't really seem like how it is before I mainly bought the game because the of the realism it had even the atmosphere felt realistic too they even remove the old intro and the background of the game it used to be all dark and serious Now its all colorful and doesn't take it self serious over the years they slowly took that part out even terrorist hunt bro and nobody complained about it they even took my boy recruit for some reason and literally and I mean nobody in the community asks for him to get removed and be replaced with new operators that was just straight up lazy and the last straw for me was when they brought in the new operator that is literally in a fucking wheelchair and you're not even playing as her you're just playing as her toys honestly I can see why the community is leaving the game I just realized it's too late
@@CrazinatorThey took recruit because they ran out of ideas and pretended like it was a rework when it’s the same guys but worse
Siege before felt like operators going against operators, Siege now seems like a gang of crackheads fighting another gang of crackheads after they all took a trip to comicon and someone dared to start an argument about waifus
For me the game died when they completely removed the original house map from the game. Yes it wasn't a great map, but not even being able to play the original house map on custom matches just killed the game for me and my friends. The original house was like R6S's very own 2Fort. It wasn't great but it was a map with charm.
Idc if it was a bad map it was the dust 2 of seige
I miss plane and recruit in ranked the most
I agree 100%!! That was just a fun map to screw around on. Loved the garage run outs with the whole team!!
Dude I played that map on the beta and as a 15 year old I thought that was the coolest thing ever.
Fr bro, when they reworked house it all went down hill. I stopped since year 4 (came back a lil in year 5) and just came back this year snd its a totally different game, it lost the charm that got me playing 7-11 in 2017-18
Ready or not really scratched the itch early siege had started. It's sad to see the direction the devs have taken with siege
Ready or Not is a good game, but it will never fully scratch the itch of launch siege since it doesnt have pvp (to my knowledge) or destruction to the level of siege
its also really sad seeing the direction VOID took with RON. horrible AI, ai generated art, horrible 1.0 release with a DLC right after, etc. RON feels like a prototype, and it makes me pissed.
@@XxOwlStealer69xX I have installed a lot of mods that make it feel more polished but i see your point.
Yeah ready or not is the real tactical game not this stuff but e3 siege looked tactical
@@Hi-go7nl try zero hour. its rough around the edges but you can get it for like 7 bucks.
Fortnite is partially at fault here. It gave shooter devs this impression that cameos and character skins are where the money is at. Instead of content and balancing updates. Similar thing happened to Cod.
Yeah every game wants to be fortnite
Comeos definitely would be cool. I'd rather have Rambo collab than R&M.... I personally have no problem with it, but I understand.
Fortnite and overwatch.
yea devs just dont realise another fortnite wont work but warzone is one of those that is half decent
Yea something like rambo would of been the shit and he’s armed with a bow with a few explosive arrows and an m60 bro that shit would of been amazing.
Here's the most baffling thing about Siege's current direction. They HAD Single player missions. They HAD PvE coop. They RUNINED it through various updates, but then decided to try to go BACK to the gritty feel that their old vision was, and instead of trying to improve the existing single player missions, add more PvE coop missions using the already existing models they made for the cinematics, they just removed both the existing Single Player and coop maps, and replaced them with two inferior "warmup" options
T-hunt wasn't good PvE, it was passable as an add-on tutorial.
Outbreak was actually good, but it wasn't siege.
You also gotta realize that having T hunt servers available at all times costs money as there are just inactive servers at all times that need to be maintained.
@@sissel2 THunt was Peer to Peer. Besides, they made it playable offline in Year 5
@@varsityreviews707 Damn, well thats just a Ubisoft moment right there.
Old siege will still hold a place in my heart. It was fun. Current siege is so lost from the original theme, new players can enjoy it but it's sad they wont ever play when siege was at its peak. (That being around parabelum season for me)
Some of the peak seasons in siege for me were velvet shell, Red Crow, chimera, grim sky and blood orchid. Added pretty realistic operators and had solid maps. Lore still felt realistic and we had agog on everything. Ubisoft ruined siege and Tom Clancy as a whole
@JoshR842 chimera was a goated season. Having the event was fun to play and felt like the game wasnt just solely a pvp game and could maybe bring in the coop pve aspect into the game which alot of people would actually love to play but too bad they fumbled that and tried to do react.
@@JoshR842 chimera probably was the best season I've personally played, the outbreak event was something straight out of cod zombies but it was so fun that you'll forgot about it. Also I have some remorse towards Blood Orchid for taking apart the acogs of the MP7 and the 416
i dont know the names of the seasons.
but last time that i recall this game being good was in the first year, before mozzie and gridlock.
when echo was the newest character, he was probably the last cool character in the game.
@@TakehisaYuji I've discovered siege around that time, but I started playing it in velvet Shell which was the season after red crow. My god it was so good. I remember saving up to buy the crossfaded skin but couldn't manage to get it ☹️
Not having realistic-looking ops is what kills it for me. I first started to play R6 back before Blackbeard came out and it was great to see how much they tried to copy somewhat accurate attire for ops. Honestly, that part of the game alone helped me stay even with the constant 200ms ping on asia servers (they had very few datacenters in asia back then. You had to force it to connect to the lowest ping server via notepad).
I started back in white noise, and I played for quite a while. But Holy shit I tried not too long ago, and they have literally ruined everything about the game. Couldn't play it
Seige then was a fucking horror game man , now it’s boring
@@ArberArapi Playing defense on house was scary bro. Fuze cluster charge on bedroom window while Glaz waits on top of tower looking at 2f hallway through the big window on stairs was heart pumping if nobody played Jager lol
Every game loses its identity as soon as they bring in competitive game tournaments like Esports.
Siege went from playing tactically with friends to lean spamming and pixel peaking.
Cod went from playing with friends trying to level up and get to the highest prestige, to power sliding, diving and sweating.
Fortnite went from a fun arcade type battle royal, to sweat building.
All games die, when they get too competitive.
From what I’ve seen. Half the time it’s when they force the competitive side onto the casual side, and the other half when they start putting in content that goes against the original theme of the game.
"In a game built specifically for PvP competition, it sucks that other players are better than I am." -Translated by Google Translate
Straight up just a skill issue my boy.
@@Chanse1989 do you have anything better to add to the conversation other than a straw man and a write off of criticism.
@@Chanse1989 but in all seriousness. The “competitive” players that I deal with throw fits and sabotage games when you use a weapon that is to good in a pve side mode because they think you don’t deserve the kills. Or when they get items reworked because they can’t get easy kills against players that use them thus making them useless in non competitive.
Unless you're a fighting game, that is. Tekken 7 only survived due to the competition.
I will always support non realistic decisions that will improve the quality of the game for balancing. However the UwU anime girls and certain pandering really kills it for me.
Dont use the anime camos problem solved
@@spagettete_obviously that’s not the point, if people want to see anime girls then they should idk, watch anime or play some game like Fortnite, but to be dedicated to being grounded with reality for over 5 years then for them to go and ruin it. It’s pretty clear they only pander because siege is really the only game keeping Ubisoft above water.
I would agree. Like the reinforcements just appearing out of thin air and stuff like that that people used to complain about is fine. Its just like you said the skins and lore that ruins it for me
@@SwiKeyMTC "dedicated to being grounded to reality for 5 years"
buddy i walk around with a rubber ducky dangling from the stock of my AR lmfao
@@FemboiMars hey, leave the duckies out of this…. But come on bro, there’s a difference between running around with a tiny pickle dangling from your gun then a whole pickle Rick gassing the enemies 💀
11:30 I disagree. These crazy skins definitely do affect gameplay, making operator recognition way harder, especially for newer players.
That is actually a fair point I didnt consider
Also affects the gameplay in the sense, that when i see someone with taste this bad, it makes me want to quit the game
I returned to Siege about 7 years after I left, and lemme tell you, the skins they have now make it so much harder to identify operators. The crossover skins are particularly bad since it literally changes who the op is, or changes their look so drastically, I can't tell who they are (those Rick & Morty skins, my god).
Whenever I kill someone wearing one of these outfits, I'm always like "Okay, I got... someone" rather than "Okay, I got Jager".
I always say you had to have been there when the skin released in order to tell who it's supposed to be. You'd remember a new skin came out for, say, Ash and know it's supposed to be Ash wearing one of the new outfits. For new or returning players, we weren't there for its release and we're left guessing who it's supposed to be.
@@Monkeymo10 and they dont even look good doing it
bro I play fairly decent and it still fucks up your aim when holding a pixel peak and Rick's monstrous greyish blue hair spikes enter your FOV... All of those spikes are as big as a head and the head of rick and morty are twice the size of a normal head and I have no idea where I should aim...
I wish they would let you turn skins off. I love the original idea of real counter terrorism units coming together to train with eachother and fight real threats. And having each season be based around a new country would have been super cool. I just hope that ubi will give us a proper rainbow six game at some point
Halo MCC allows you to turn off armor customization. I wish siege had that same option.
@@Acistra even WoT allows you to retain semblance of historical feel
Ubi is on its way out of business
Trying to make the game lore heavy while being a multiplayer only was a mistake. It's like trying to give CS:GO a deep lore and trying to make sense of everything that's happening in game. They tried to do what Overwatch did by being a lore heavy multiplayer game. Difference is that whole premise of Overwatch was bright and colorful heroes with unique personalities interacting with each other. Meanwhile R6 is about counter terrorism unit doing hostage rescues and bomb defusing. They should've just added a single player campaign if they wanted to add lore to the game
Lore would've been fine if they expanded on what they had at launch. Instead of pivoting heavily into the game being a simulation
Couldn't agree more. If they're spending so much time building a storyline and lore then where is that in the game? Aside from the goofy cinematics that I skip every season, the "lore" is completely absent from the game. In fact they've removed useful lore concepts like Ela and Zofia attributes.
I was always hopeful that eventually the game's lore would coincide with the release of a multi-player co-op missions mode where you battle the White Masks, like Article 5 mission at Bartlett University. It wasn't perfect but I played that over and over for the fun of having an extended mission while matchmaking with random people and having a blast.
Where is that story line? Why did we go from that to operators with robot arms, cyborg operators, fantasy space weapons, etc.
Overwatch lore also sucks lol
Yea man, I feel like multiplayer mode should be separated from lore
Battleborn has good lore
Jesus, that rick-and-morty skin bundle would be enough to make me quit the game then and there
I remember when i was in the marines my buddies got so hyped when cav and cap were released because one was from brazil and the other's parents were from brazil. It was so cool actually learning things about different countries through rainbow.
Yeah it was one of the things that made the game unique
I am from Sweden, and if Fenrir had a realistic uniform and weapons, I would spend real money on him, but he just looks like a super hero.
He also looks like a sickly heroin addict lol
If you look at his lore you can see that he was not a soldier in sweden so why would he have swedish gear on
@@noahsanogo2975 So why would he be in an anti-terrorist group previously composed by soldiers and spec-ops police battalions?
@@gato_capitalistaHe’s a scientist, that’s his only qualification for being here.
@@noahsanogo2975you’re the reason I want the dislike button to be visible.
Back in like 2017-2018 when i tought of the most realistic tactical game it was r6 siege, it was my favorite game ever back then, look at what they did to my boy.
I still think the actual gameplay is up there as one of the best. I just everything surrounding that gameplay is atrocious
I kinda miss the dark and misty atmosphere from back then. At times it had the thrill of a horror game when you entered a building.
And the more realistic recoil was cool imo. It felt less like CoD.
That was cool!
I still love playing Siege tho.
The Fortnitification of the gaming industry claims another victim.
Ill keep saying it, Rainbow Six Seige is NOT a Rainbow Six, none of this would be what Tom Clancy would have wrote.
Tom Clancy was a mediocre at best writer that wrote crazy ass right wing spank material.
@@jays.6843 Fuck the political lean have to do with anything?
@@jays.6843Holy based
@jays.6843 Did they spell your name wrong when you ordered your soy latte. Beta 🤓
Removing the old maps was really the nail in the coffin for them especially house it was the 1v1 and 2v2 map for fun. They could've had twice the amount of content but ruined it 😂
I don't know if this game is still "tactical".
It feels more like a fast-paced aggressive shooter.
It's probably just me, I don't know how to play.
The gameplay didn't change.
POV Ubisoft: fun? Realism? Buffs? What’s that?
Adding new content? Whats that?
“Fun, whats that? Do we sell it in the marketplace?”- Spadez
this video makes me glad that I played from 2016-2018, was there for the peak and missed the downfall
Left the game early 2020. The rot was already setting in then
I from Portugal and waited years for an operator and a map. We got Tubarao that doesn't represent nothing related to Portugal and a generic map with an unknown location...
What should i say......
Greetings from Greece
I miss when seasons had themes, each season had its own art and theme inspired by the country of origin for the new ops, or the operation as a whole in the case of Outbreak and Grim Sky, from the maps, the weapons the ops are using which is also used by their CTUs, the music, the animated intro main screen we used to have (press any key), and the seasonal weapon skins themselves, after 2019, it all went downhill not just the balancing, but thematically as well, you can really see it with the battle pass, I don't remember a single battle pass that has a consistent theme across all its items, it just shows that they put random bundles to fill the BPs, and don't get me started with the universall weapon skins included there, they are awful
And the name change, the awful UI, the operator designs (which got really good I won't lie), the map reworks that get rid of what made the old map unique (Oregon), god, what with Ubisoft downgrading the things that made me love their games
One of the things that I missed were the Title screens.
Fuck the new ui. It makes me never want to touch the game
When the lore went from fighting terrorist to a battle royale. i lost hope :(
To me the most disappointing part about the lore is the overall pacing. They deploy the story over the course of a year using one CGI animation, 4 short animations and 4 comics. While the animations are connected to the comics withhin the same season, they seem to barely relate outside of the season. It is almost like writers want to explore a cool story about a character but they get distracted by their new favourite toy (the next operator).
An example would be nighthavens absence while team rainbow was hunting deimos. Considering the trouble he caused nighthaven I expect nighthaven to do more than to wait until deimos is arrested to show up again inform of having osa being the creator of talos and colossus.
You'd think that a PMC like Nighthaven, whose actions at times are definitely morally and legally questionable, would try to off the guy who caused them so much trouble... but apparently not.
I left the game after the season where Flores dropped because of school and just a lack of desire to keep relearning maps and ops. Coming back in 2024 before the skopos season I felt like I had never even touched the game other than I remembered some maps
Yeah the game is completely different. I still enjoy siege, I just miss when it tried to be a more gritty experience
From M to mature to K for Kids.
game chat rated e10+
Ion think chun li or 2B or yakuza are considered kid characters but true
@@youtuberuser0109Nier automata is rated m
@@hithedestroyer4065 thats what i said lol… they’re not kid characters.
@@youtuberuser0109 OK looking back I was misreading what said but were you responding to someone because your opening is weird
I remember playing this game nonstop for 3 years straight since launch. Tried hopping on and its not the same game for sure.
We lost Rainbow Six Patriots for this Clown Fiesta I will never forgive UbiSoft for That.
When it comes to realistic aesthetics, what the devs should do is something similar to MWIII where the base design of operators features a "mil-sim" design while reserving the more unrealistic skins, like Godzilla, for DLC
I remember the good old days. it felt so different. just you, your team mates, an EMP nade an a thermite charge...
When i first started to play i only played on fridays and weekends so during the week when i was at school all i could think during my breaks was how excited i was to play siege. One thing i remember is that i used to love looking at all the different special forces and the weapons they used and seeing that in game. I was so fascinated by how each country had their own CTU own weapons, uniform and history. I would look up the real CTUs in real life and it would just make me want to play siege more. So the new direction that the game is taking does make me a little sad because it really enhanced my game experience
i miss old siege man 2016-2017 was peek i just quit and never looked back seeing wha has happend to this game in the last few years im disgusted
It looks like there's a continuing wrestling match between the dev team trying to maintain the original vision, and Ubisoft executives impulsively chasing the latest trends.
I think they went too futuristic with this game. Same happened to Ghost Recon Breakpoint, Watch Dogs Legion.
I sound like such a boomer when I tell people what siege was like in season 1 and the beta.
The tried to tie the lore with multiplayer, which is hard to get right. They should've made a story mode for the lore like a campaign, and just have the multiplayer as this "what if" scenario
Remember, Patriots died for THIS
I remember being sooooo excited for Patriots. I read about it in my GameInformer. I think that game was canned because it was an entire game about a terrorist organization (and supposedly some Rainbow Operators) kidnapping and threatening to kill greedy CEOs and high level individuals in society due to their actions and choices. So I bet a lot of stuffed shirts at Ubisoft felt uncomfortable about it and decided to trend chase when hero shooters were getting bigger so they canned Patriots. At least that’s what I think happened
The moment recruit lost his many load outs was the day siege died
Siege breathed its last breath when the original house map was removed
Seems to be a common theme amongst FPS shooters today. Fortnitification is real, and R6 and CoD have lost their identity.
Its a literal clown show
Siege's downfall made me buy Ready or Not instead.
Not just because the style, but the insane shift to E-sports focused decision by the devs
Same,I pretty much stopped playing R6S and started caring about RoN instead.
RoN is basically what R6S should've been.
A dark,gritty and realistic tactical shooter that has these trained professionals going against armed terrorists,not a bunch of guys in costumes with guns fighting in a dumb tournament
Appreciate the time you took to show the devolution of the title. As someone who played almost all of the original Rainbow Six's and Ghost Recons, that were fantastic and some of the best games at that time, it's a shame to see the core DNA ripped out to just fit in like all of the other shooters. Indie is where it's at! Good work!
Started playing in 2017 and played till 2019 non stop for 3000+ total, but i stopped playing fully in 2020. No more dead bodies, graphics and gameplay is arcady, gunplay no longer feels the same since the new recoil rework, gay shit being added, and so on. It just feels mediocre at best nowadays, i don't get the same joy i used to from siege, and i ccan't jsut chill and imemrse myself in the atmosphere the game used to have. Night maps were fun and looks nice, but they removed it and man do i miss old siege. I am somewhat a pro too, but i don't focus on rank that much so my peak was diamond 5, but my kd is mostly 1,3 across all seasons.
If Ubisoft cared about their fans, they'd make an E3 version of Siege with a new engine and build current siege off that but make current siege free. Also, giving an e3 version of siege a level based pve would be cool.
10:03 they didn’t have plot armour. They had rook armour!
Tom Clancy is spinning in his grave so fast we could harness him for infinite energy
the explanation for this is simple, new management came in, demanded Siege start printing money like fornite and COD.
Everything but the skins and microtransaction department got cut to the bone, the story was butchered to accommodate the 'general audience' and the in game cash shop. The fact that siege was destroyed in the process and us a shell of its former self is being drowning out by the oceans of money being generated by these scummy tactics
9:48 dude you cant just kill off playable characters, especially in a game where you can buy character specific cosmetics. People would be pissed.
I don't see why not. Knowing how irrelevant to gameplay the lore has become I doubt they'd even remove them from the game. It's simply for the cinematics and comics they're making.
Say what you want but it's one of the biggest things this game needs. The game's core is bloated. About time we trim that fat off
1:05 I heard that apparently this trailer is actual gameplay, it’s just from an extremely early build of the game
I always thought it would be cool to have operator specific/exclusive charms, because you would be able to show character and personality with that and having them bright and colourful.
R6: We are a top secret multi-national counter terrorism unit. We must be kept a secret from the world so the enemies don't know our missions, tactics and identities
Also R6: Let's hold a giant airsoft match in front of a crowded stadium and televise it to the world like it's the Olympics, so everyone knows our tactics and identities.
I personally think the drive for the ‘lore’ is what killed the game. Trying to make characters fit into a story line ultimately got us to here.
Old Siege gave birth to a special place with me. I loved to main the Recruit due to his uniqueness with a super wide weapon choice and versatile gadgets. I would perform clever moves like a Ballistic Shield with a Frag, C4 under Barbedwire, etc.
Due to his low pick rate it made me feel more standout when I would perform fairly well with him, and it would even give birth to an idea of a Rebel Soldier, striking out against the Rainbow member for the lack of respect he was given, even the inspiration for my PFP.
Then Recruit would be taken away indefinitely, replaced and no longer hold the same magic.
9:45 Doc got shot in the head but the bullet caught in his visor
Pre-year 1 was peak.
Everything after that went to shit since they wanted people to pay for new operators.
And id say all of it sid have an impact on gameplay since they always were trying to one-up previous operators and completely disrupting the core rock, paper, scissors mechanics of the original operators
Might be a unpopular opinion, but I miss the old lightning before y2s3 (where they improve it). I liked the dark areas, night maps. Yes it was difficult but it was part of the game
In the Rainbow Six book, all the operators looked like "Recruit" and would slap the local law enforcement patch on the uniform to maintain secrecy.
First two years were so peak
I left the game for this reason, I didn't like how they were twisting R6's identity and didn't like many technical moves either. It breaks my heart because I've tried to play the game again but I just don't feel the soul it used to have, that thing that made it special and made it stand out above other games.
I still wish we'd gotten Patriots instead. There is a complete lack of single-player tactical shooters these days, whereas always-online hero shooters are a dime and a dozen.
yes
Remember when the game was tactical shooter with counter terrorism groups teaming up together? Now we have a game that has the writing and characters we would see in a anime.
every long running tittle has to evolve to keep its audience, skins are part of that, nobody would pay for recolor skins, they want different uniform, animated skins. siege is still a toned down version of other shooters compared to other games like cod, it's full blown animated galore, and not a military fps game anymore
Honestly it isn't a matter of it WILLINGLY toning that down. It's most likely if they added the crazy shit you see in Valorant or COD the game would shit itself.
That or the new skins would just make you invisible as they tend to have some every update they add any.
Evolution does not have to lead to a loss of identity, OP.
I’m still mad about how Zero isn’t an attacker Caveira, even when in the cinematics it shows him sneaking around being an assassin.
I have a few thousand hours in Siege but I’m never playing again. It’s turned into fortnite in a house. That’s not even mentioning the woke pandering
i already know this video is gonna blow up
This shift honestly doesn't full surprise me. Especially when you understand the bizzare shifts in management for these titles that have been live for a good chunk of time. There is a core vision but once something that isnt fully intended or was a mistake ends up drawing in more poeple and with that money. So why try to nuture the audience you where casting a small net for when you can go bigger and pull in a larger haul. For us who love that tactical/milsim aesthetic and gameplay, seige and other shooters are no longer made for us. It sucks but the quicker we can accept some of our beloved titles are no longer for us the better we can branch out and experience projects and games that are made for our tastes.
As a fan of Rainbow Six since 1998, this sounds like a woman who got a man to get a divorce, married him, then gets surprised when he cheats on her a few years later. Brother, the identity was lost a decade ago.
R6S blocking Linux users has been a constant and needless limitation
The saddest thing is that all of this flies in the face of the first parts of Siege's name. Which, is frequently omitted, because of how disconnected they are!
RAINBOW SIX. AN ESTABLISHED UNIVERSE. Completely tossed away.
I quit a few years ago when it started losing it's identity. Sad to see how far gone it is.
I've played since y8 s1 but can tell the game really started to become a hero shooter or a unrealistic game when iana released. But its officially been gone since sens released.
Not having a campaign mode was the main reason I didn't buy the game until like five or six years after release(I got it on sale). When I do play the game, everything is just so weird. They do the same thing that Call of Duty does. Break any immersion you were already struggling to have with goofy skins and super powers that in no way reflect the vision Tom Clancy would have had. I'll play the game casually every now and then and it can be fun but I don't really see it as anywhere near what Rainbow actually was.
Very well said, thank you. What I liked, that the operators had a little bit hidden identity in the beginning, with masks and helmets and all that special force stuff.
I remember trying to get a team of people interested in tactics.
But unfortunately everyone has that supersoldier mentality. All they have to have is wits and a fast reaction time with precise aim. The whole idea of siege was Special weapons and tactics. However the headshot shit began early. Even I have an old video reel of someone trying to spawn peek in Oregon and I flick one shot them with a pistol. It became a peek fest. It is a tactic for defenders to utilize everything to their advantage but shield users were severely underpowered in the game.
But again it's all about tactics.
If I were to change Siege back into a tactical game I would have the gadgets installed on a map before you spawn in. There is far too little time for people to setup the map a certain way and far too little time to execute the operation for the attacking team. It turned into a hot mess when they introduced banning an operator (it is why I left and never came back since.)
But again the game was ruined by so many players trying to turn siege into another call of duty, where the traps were an after thought.
I get that they needed to have something to identify the traps. But in a real world situation the defenders would want the traps as hidden as possible.
The people who ruined the game the most were the toxic players.
Siege should have stayed true to its origins and not released map specific operators. Instead they should have stuck to the original plan and just updated the old operators to have different abilities unlocked through time.
I haven't played the game since they started the whole ban thing so forgive me if I haven't even watched any gameplay of this game since. But I would have had a progression system similar to metal gear online. Such as for ash: if you keep getting killed within a minute of running and gunning she should get armor and get speed reduced. Making her hard to kill with bullets but not taking away any weapons. For fuse, with his grenade launcher, if you keep killing yourself with your own grenade launcher it should have the grenades set to a certain direction, but launching them further away.
If you keep getting your Thermite pads electrocuted by blitz then you should have the fuze blow up immediately when electrocuted.
They should have evolved the technology they were using. If the twitch drone kept getting shot down too easily then the drone should be slower, more quiet, but harder to kill. And instead of zapping the enemy to alert presence she should have it go completely invisible in a corner so that, even in the event of the enemy being notified of getting spotted all of the time looking to destroy her drone they would have to resort to using a grenade to get rid of it at a corner.
At the same time when Mira's mirror keeps getting zapped off there should be a way to keep it forever locked in place so that they cannot open the mirror, but it is much larger, forcing a peeker to use the sides or to shoot at the feet of the attackers. But the window can't be broken down. Another defender, rook, if his plates aren't good enough because his team is getting head shorted he should give the defenders a helmet similar to what counterstrike has. It can take a few bullets before it gives the headshot. They should have evolved the technology but had the progression system of metal gear online. It is through experience over time that evolves their technology.
If the window God was too much then tachanka should have had a boost to his armor on his Gatling gun so he could cover that window by allowing him to crouch with it.
There was so much promise with that game but they opted for banning an operator or taking out grenades.
Come on.
As someone who played other Rainbow Six games, I feel that Siege itself is a loss of identity for Rainbow Six. One that, in some weird and roundabout way, kinda got sorta back with Extraction (if we ignore that the enemies are an alien virus, not bio-terrorists).
So, in some way, I am actually GLAD that some of the old characters now return in some fashion, as it gives, at least storywise, Rainbow Six part of its history back (still, no more Ding Chavez - and no, John Conor Chavez, either), as Siege just felt so... disconnected and unrelated to me until then.
I remember playing the situations missions over and over again ,they were so immersive and I HATE the fact that they removed these missions and terrorist hunt
I remember playing the beta and feeling like a legit special forces soldier, i miss that
No no, they fucked up by using the same build for esports as for consumers. So consumers watch the esports and see their strats and thus Ubisoft have to balance it for the esports crowd.
But the reason I stopped playing was the fucking lack of support for solo players. Every time an operator is decent enough for solo play, it gets abused in esports aaaand now the op is nerfed.
The final nail was the fucking operator vote dealio
The destruction is why i wanted to play this game at launch. Reminded me of a tactical battlefield 4 (from a destruction standpoint)
This game was never about realism but the tactical gameplay
Ubisoft is seriously outperforming itself, really such dedication to destroy every game they touch deserves at least a medal.
5:30
The special forces picture is actually a picture of airsoft players 😅. You can tell because of the mesh mask. Ig you could where mesh mask with real steal, but there isnt really a point....
You know I remember back then my friend recommended Rainbow Six Siege and I honestly liked it because I had a tactical military type of gameplay and it felt more realistic now I don't even barely play the game anymore I just can't get myself to play it bro ever since the new season with the robot it just doesn't feel right
It’s not that unrealistic because Boston dynamics and the weapons technology for such a thing is just it’s already there. It’s just slightly unfinished.
Like most games, when they started adding new characters who had departed from the modern day, I saw the direction this game was taking. You said it best, it lost it's identity.
I’ve always thought about a game mode for siege where everybody is a 2 speed recruit and each side has just enough gadgets and equipments for planning and strats but less reliant on crazy abilities and more reliant on gun fighting and strategy.
I definitely think games need to think of collabs that make sense. Fortnite can literally do whatever they want. Dead by daylight and fnaf collab coming 2025 makes sense cause they're both horror games. Running around as Mr meseeks from Rick and Morty on Ace doesn't make any sense and I never expected that collab. The Dead By Daylight skins in siege make sense though cause kapkan got trapper skin and he's a trap op and finka got huntress because finka is resilient just like huntress in her lore and makes me actuallly enjoy using her.
Also, your videos are very enjoyable to watch. Don't stop, please 🙏
As with most other game companies downfalls these days they all have 1 thing in common-
They all light both ends of a perfectly good candle.
I stopped playing siege years ago, and it was one of the healthiest decisions in my life.
I feel like, in hindsight, I have dodged a freight train of a bullet.
Contrary to what a lot of people think i don’t think the alien event was where seige left its roots. That was just a fun Halloween event.
Where Seige lost the grounded story was when six was replaced and the new six put all these tier one operators on a Olympics style tournament for the world to see (mind you that most operators in Rainbow from the books are supposed to have classified identities like the black bars on faces kind)
Besides your remarks about the Lore, which I never really followed myself, the biggest shifts I noticed were as mentioned, the brighter and more colorful menu and skins but more importantly the shift in gameplay. I have just started playing again after basically a few years and I am confused why we can vote in standard matches (once called „casual“) but people always choose the first option (upstairs) all the time. Also, most people didn‘t even reinforce, but I guess now that SBMM is ranking me higher, that got a little less.
I don‘t know about Ranked, because I can‘t play it. I had a verified account wirh my phone number years ago but it seems to have been removed (maybe I did it and don‘t remember) and now I can’t add it back. Contacted Ubisoft, who didn‘t help me.
The game is fun and even though I put a ton of hours into it I am slowly learning it again, keeping up with new operators and maps, and trying to become better than when I first played the game, but it feels very different.
This is a huge reason why I quit siege years ago. There’s just an over-saturation of characters and ridiculous things you’d see in games like Valorant not to mention the ridiculous cosmetics, no issues with like an anime gun camo or something but the other stuff is just ridiculous. The final nail in the coffin was Ubi removing so many features like TH, that one zombie side mode they took away and sold it as a separate game with a different look, and ruined my beloved House.
every so often I’ll go on a nostalgia trip of early siege. I realized that we’re coming up on 10 years since launch. I haven’t played consistently since 2020 or so, I absolutely hate the game that this became. They had no balls abandoning the white mask story line. They sanitized everything that could be controversial, pandered to everyone, then it lost its soul while to gain a larger playerbase and more proleague money. sad to see it
As someone who started during year 1 and stopped around year 4 I will say the tonal change and atmosphere had changed quite drastically and one of the reasons I stopped playing