The Beauty in Clones

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2020
  • Sometimes when you run out of ideas you just need to do the same thing again.
    Games shown (in order):
    Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2
    Tekken 3
    Super smash bros melee
    Them's Fightin' Herds
    Es Laf ++
    Street fighter 2
    Street fighter Three 3rd strike
    Mortal kombat
    Street Fighter 5
    Tekken 7
    Guilty Gear XX Accent Core +R
    Killer Instinct
    Cerebrawl
    Skullgirls
    Street fighter Three Second impact
    Ultra Street fighter 4
    / leonmassive
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  • @gansmith
    @gansmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1933

    I propose we should now call clone characters "cousins".

    • @dancho1331
      @dancho1331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +150

      I like "step-bros" better

    • @mrlakiro5526
      @mrlakiro5526 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      *What’re you doing step-bro*

    • @CalliePossum
      @CalliePossum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      +Mr Lakiro
      Dammit reddit

    • @thickboi7988
      @thickboi7988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      what about gokus except UI and GT

    • @lukemoses7827
      @lukemoses7827 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Mr Lakiro dark pit: kills pit. Pit: what are u doing step bro

  • @doctor_loogy
    @doctor_loogy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1288

    Meanwhile I'm over here in kof with 4 Kyos, with the clones also being actual clones in canon.

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +490

      I legit never played a kof until like yesterday since the 02 rollback announcement, got to character select and just immediately went "fuuuuuck"

    • @tarunjohal9215
      @tarunjohal9215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@LeonMassey good luck with knowing who each character is 😂

    • @MrDeathbydying
      @MrDeathbydying 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@LeonMassey Shen is the most fun, that's all you need to know. Quality videos by the way 👍

    • @Thalanox
      @Thalanox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@LeonMassey Explain more about this "02 rollback announcement", please.
      I screwed around with KoF 13 a little while ago and found it fun, but haven't been able to play against anyone because of the netcode, playerbase, and my tendency to graze from game to game rather than really sink my teeth into them.
      I think I have a few of the earlier KoF games, but they run on some sort of horrible NeoGeo or arcade machine emulator program that makes me press buttons to put more coins in, has awkward controls, and won't let me rebind the buttons I use.
      Of the fighting games I have, I'm mostly screwing around in Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid, or playing some Soul Calibur 6.

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@Thalanox So KOF02 on steam is getting rollback, so the netcode is getting way better. The emulation is actually really good it's just the networking before was DOGGY DOO DOO but that's getting fixed now. The player base will most likely still be players who are REALLY good, but because of rollback there's going to be an influx of players who are also not stellar (THAT'S ME) so if you go on the discord for games it should be ok even if you're not too deep into it already.

  • @BinBintheRiceCake
    @BinBintheRiceCake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +676

    Imagine the dev's trying to explain and balance a meterless move that's +37 in this day and age

    • @cryesix128
      @cryesix128 3 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      It still uses resources, Order-Sol's Charge meter. Getting to Level 3 Charge while trying to not get hit by your opponent would be hard unless you're standing full screen far away. Furthermore, it will drain all that resource if you just charged barely at Level 3 although Action Charging does alleviate this somewhat by giving some Charge to get to Level 2 quick unless you have more charge than just hitting Level 3. Comboing off it will net you near to 200 damage for damage scaling with the Order-Sol's hardest hitting meterless combo.

    • @RED-jg6mt
      @RED-jg6mt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol

    • @Liliana_the_ghost_cat
      @Liliana_the_ghost_cat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Making it as long as warlock punch to wind up

    • @ragna3023
      @ragna3023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Me and the 9 other carmine mains showing up with our 236A that's +72

    • @akesan2374
      @akesan2374 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      May i introduce you to DBFZ

  • @octanesstimstash3643
    @octanesstimstash3643 3 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    jokes on you mokujin is a super clone and unique as well because it causes your opponents to change strategies

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      OH shit you're right NotLikeThis

    • @farout_tech
      @farout_tech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Mokujin styling on clones so hard that he has combos that are unique to him.

  • @spaxhuxley302
    @spaxhuxley302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +559

    You forgot one significant difference between Sol and Order Sol: Order Sol cooler

  • @vikreps2488
    @vikreps2488 3 ปีที่แล้ว +553

    Besides the gameplay details , there is one thing that make some clone characters unique: Personality
    Ryu and Ken have been sharing moves for 2 decades but their personalities is what makes them different

    • @dboyriles
      @dboyriles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      3 moves*

    • @furyberserk
      @furyberserk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Arcade mk ninjas. Scorpion and sub are best. Ermac is a beast. Reptile is cool. Fuck rain. Who is tremor. There was an orange one? Human Smoke is better than scorpion. NOOB SAIBOT!!!
      They are just pallet swaps too.

    • @Se7enRemain
      @Se7enRemain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@furyberserk Cant forget about motherfuCKIN' CHAMELEON!

    • @remixtheidiot5771
      @remixtheidiot5771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Story wise ken and ryu being clones makes sense as well since both of them were trained by the same teachers so of course they would have a similar moveset.

    • @AlluMan96
      @AlluMan96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      This wasn't something I had ever thought about seriously until recently. It was always just easy to brush off and laugh at clone characters just being a developer's cheat day, but it was in Guilty Gear, where I finally realized how much I appreciate having a personality swap for a moveset. Sometimes in a fighting game, there is a character that literally reaches out to you. The playstyle, the mechanics, the menalities those former two emphasize and reward, it's like the character was made to be an exension of you within the game. Sometimes, that character is Jam Kuradoberi and you cry. There have been alot of trials and tribulations in me getting into Guilty Gear, but this step was the one that was the most painful for me. I probably could have had a much easier time getting into the game had I just played Jam from the word go, but I can't lie to myself. I don't like her ear-piercing voice, I don't like her dumb ass, I just don't like Jam as a character and therefore, didn't really feel like playing her. I eventually found sanctuary in Chipp and while you could aruge that it's taught me to pay more attention to my mix-up game, but I can't help but wish that Jam's playstyle was on another character.
      It made me realize the appreciation I have for Ken Masters in particular. I may have not played a whole bunch of Street Fighter, but whenever I did, I'd usually gravitate towards Ken. Not just because he has the safe accessibility of a shoto clone with a more aggressive edge, but because he's everything Ryu is but cooler in my eyes. He has the same "honorable fighter" about him with the distinction of not being a complete stick of butter. His cockiness, the flare, he's the reason why if ever a fighting game has someone with the standard shoto moveset, he's the guy I tend to learn the game with.
      I just never took the time to imagine a world, where I only had the choice of playing Ryu. Much like with Jam in Guilty, it might have caused me to lose out on a potential playstyle to enjoy because I just can't gel with the character.

  • @PetroklosZDM
    @PetroklosZDM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +909

    super ironic that Smash Ultimate calling Clones "Echoes" makes much more sense for current Fighting Games, as they echo the base character's design but aren't the same, yet all of its "Echo" characters are near or exact clones, woops.

    • @jonmanz181
      @jonmanz181 3 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      *glances at Simon and Richter with holy water*

    • @triforceriku9135
      @triforceriku9135 3 ปีที่แล้ว +230

      @@jonmanz181 Glances at Peach and Daisy with *NO DIFFERENCES AT ALL*

    • @jjrambles683
      @jjrambles683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +274

      @@triforceriku9135 the difference is you can judge your opponent's taste in waifus depending on who they use

    • @kirbyofthestarsfan
      @kirbyofthestarsfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      Legit such a wasted opportunity in Ultimate with both Richter and Daisy, Melee was actually really cool in applying differences in stats to clone characters, while Ultimate barely did an effort to change not even a single piece of frame data on Richter or Peach
      The one time they made the concept of clone characters appealing to the common eye, and they barely took advantage of it

    • @AkiRa22084
      @AkiRa22084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Aren't echoes more like skins?

  • @ScoutOW2
    @ScoutOW2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +399

    The reason why Ryu's hurricane kick knocks down but Ken's doesnt is primarily cause Ken is more of a rushdown, so youd want to use it to get in close to follow up with another move. Ryu's kncokdown means he has time to dash back or setup the next attack for waking opponent (which if Ryu or Ken, has a invisible waking shoyuken so can be risky)
    Its funny how the smallest of changes can effect the complete playstyle of the character

    • @runman624
      @runman624 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thank you, i was hoping someone else would notice

    • @pastorofmuppets9346
      @pastorofmuppets9346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Invisible dp? lol

    • @ScoutOW2
      @ScoutOW2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@pastorofmuppets9346 Sorry, invincible. I keep typing invisible as a bad habit.

    • @ZenoDovahkiin
      @ZenoDovahkiin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, but this isn't just because of one move change. This only works because Ken's Rushdown got better than Ryu's.

    • @woomod2445
      @woomod2445 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ZenoDovahkiin One minor difference has knockon effects, people playing ryu had more incentive to play zoning and footsies, while ken's tatsu encouraged you to rushdown.
      That one tiny difference gets exaggerated into their entire playstyle.

  • @caiooa
    @caiooa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +419

    it might sound dumb, but i really love "clone" characters using moveset from older versions that were scraped in newer versions of the base char
    stuff like gouken air tatsu going in a straight line (like ryu in sf2 champion edition), "kusanagi" having kyo 1995 moveset (+ some left over from kyo rejected design) or red arcueid with melty blood vanilla arcueid teleports.
    older GG used to have a EX version based on gg1 moveset, those are pretty nice too

    • @WikiHL
      @WikiHL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Kyo had 3 clones in one game lmao

    • @chiappe_
      @chiappe_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Or young link in SSBU: he has nearly the same moveset of SSB4's version of base Link.

    • @mresturk9336
      @mresturk9336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That was one of my favorite things about Tekken Tag 2. It was loaded with unlockable clones, yet many of those clones were throwbacks to Tekken Tag 1 for various characters that had changed drastically since that game.

    • @Talz622
      @Talz622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah, like Devil Jin using Jin’s original Tekken 3 moveset when Jin switched to using mostly his mother’s fighting style.

    • @slosh7072
      @slosh7072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Try Fukua from Skullgirls.

  • @llmkursk8254
    @llmkursk8254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    As a Smash player, I can safely say the true clone is not dead. They *patched out* a difference between Peach and Daisy just so they’re carbon copies, but one is orange hair.

  • @XVINutkabob
    @XVINutkabob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Fun fact, Shadow Jago was the same as Jago when he first appeared, but in season 3 they made him a full character for sale, and as jago’s a season 1 character they decided to make him completely different

  • @aname4931
    @aname4931 3 ปีที่แล้ว +205

    "I used to love this game, where did that love go?" That's what you get for being a Samus main ;)
    Seriously though, I love all your videos, please keep making them.

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      My samus schmoved leave my samus alone >:(
      Ty, I've got no intention of stopping any time soon 😅

    • @kimgkomg
      @kimgkomg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@LeonMassey Everyone knows that all samus mains curl up into a ball to drink the tears of their opponents after a set

  • @b39_
    @b39_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +466

    Haven't clicked on a video faster in my life. Your content is fantastic. I enjoy seeing more good content in the FGC.

    • @RED-jg6mt
      @RED-jg6mt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      facts

    • @scalene690
      @scalene690 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RED-jg6mt 0⁹ and

    • @scalene690
      @scalene690 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RED-jg6mt l0p09⁰9
      P

    • @talonjohnson9729
      @talonjohnson9729 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly I don't know how he Doesn't have a million people subbed yet, lol

    • @neto6405
      @neto6405 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So frickin true

  • @arthurmallmann5768
    @arthurmallmann5768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I love the fact that King/ AK and Anna/Nina are more like mirror characters than clone characters. They are closely related, but in many aspects, they are the opposite

    • @abadenoughdude300
      @abadenoughdude300 ปีที่แล้ว

      Makes sense. I like playing Anna but hate Nina.

  • @JarPanda
    @JarPanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    If you looked like King, women would definitely want you...Also men, too.

    • @Ticketman99
      @Ticketman99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      King of Tekken? King of Art Of Fighting? Or both?

    • @LordOfLemon
      @LordOfLemon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ticketman99 The King of Fighters 2002 UNLIMITED MATCH

    • @rachetmarvel931
      @rachetmarvel931 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Ticketman99 Definitely Tekkens,because real women are not fooled by androgynous women.

    • @dannypatrick9361
      @dannypatrick9361 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh yeah ;)

  • @ApoSteve_
    @ApoSteve_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I like how you dodged Christie

    • @memoryman3586
      @memoryman3586 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nintendo took notes from her and Panda and made Echoes

  • @mitzi3262
    @mitzi3262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Imma be honest, I didn't expect so much polish and production value from a small recommended channel but I'm blown away.
    I'm glad I took the chance and now i'm subbed.

  • @keithsimpson2685
    @keithsimpson2685 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Meanwhile, in KOF: 5 Actual Kyo Clones in one game

  • @arthurpprado
    @arthurpprado 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I started appreciating clones more when I started playing Smash Ultimate, where the developers take more liberties with what does and doesn't define a clone. The Belmonts are pretty much the same except in the *type* of damage dealt by a single one of their attacks, while Marth and Roy play wildly different because of a single mechanical change, and both of them have their own clones with their own differences

  • @swknj3406
    @swknj3406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I'm super heated i guessed blockhead buster was +12

  • @Ashen-Crow
    @Ashen-Crow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Another interesting subject for the topic would be when similar characters are in a "spectrum" like ryu, evil ryu/kage and akuma

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This was something I've been thinking about though spread over several games, like looking at grapplers and seeing how they vary from game to game and what changes they make to accommodate the system changes even though they're characters with the same philosophy behind their creation.

    • @s3studios597
      @s3studios597 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wouldn't that be basically all the shotos? You've also got the space animals in Smash, as well as Mario, Luigi, and Doc.

    • @Ashen-Crow
      @Ashen-Crow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@LeonMassey This would be really cool, kinda like a "genealogy tree" for archetipes, using grapplers as an example, we started with gief and now we have mixed grapplers like Laura and fucking monstrocities like Abigail.

  • @jcminer8466
    @jcminer8466 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "I used to love this game where did that love go? :(" damn that's tough

  • @theotherjared9824
    @theotherjared9824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This reminds me of the "echo fighter" situation. For the first several smash games, characters that had similar movesets to others were often written off as clone characters and wasted slots. However, when they were given an official title in ultimate, suddenly everyone wanted more of them. It's amazing how a simple rebranding can change public perception so much.

    • @UntarLaManteca
      @UntarLaManteca 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only braindead people ask for more clones

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s strange how Dr. Mario and Toon Link aren’t considered Echoes, for example.

  • @Ali-fs7ze
    @Ali-fs7ze 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In old games (like Super Turbo) it was more than just time saving, it was also about the memory. Most sprites you see in old arcade games aren't even one sprite, they're a composite of multiple smaller sprites, and every single line of data is taking up precious space on your megabytes large memory. So if you can make a new character or move by taking already existing sprites in the game (like the shoto body) and changing one sprite (the one that makes up the head) you're basically hitting two pixies with one fireball.

  • @DeronHargrove
    @DeronHargrove 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I really liked how you went about talking about clones. Only a personal issue but finding the one frame editing texts so often in these videos is frustrating.

    • @SeisoYabai
      @SeisoYabai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I absolutely despise that shit. Yes let me take a full minute tapping my screen so I can read 5 words that amounted to "jk lol"

    • @DeronHargrove
      @DeronHargrove 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@SeisoYabai Yeah it gets pretty annoying

    • @trickjump19
      @trickjump19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      youtube has it where you can press the period or comma keys to go forward/back a single frame, at least on firefox.

    • @SeisoYabai
      @SeisoYabai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@trickjump19 Can't do that on mobile yo.

  • @philiphunt-bull5817
    @philiphunt-bull5817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    When you asked to put my finger on the scale, I placed it off the scale to the right as a joke, so I win.
    Edit: thanks for the heart.
    Also, _the concept of a move that plus terrifies me._
    Edit 2: I'm referring to the 37 for the terrifying, tho the 11 also spooks me.

  • @charl2182
    @charl2182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    Is this a 'clone' of Core A Gaming? :)

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      This is a semiclone. He's the Wolf to Core A's Fox.

    • @charl2182
      @charl2182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@espurrseyes42 Ah, I see.

    • @RED-jg6mt
      @RED-jg6mt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      its a dunky clone

    • @origamicat6467
      @origamicat6467 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CrissP,bacon n Cheese I pity the poor slop that decides or decided that your relationship material.

    • @anomnomnom6930
      @anomnomnom6930 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CrissP,bacon n Cheese Lol your so bad at arguing. All he did was ask questions to hear your reasons of why u didn’t like Core A and u fucking hounded on him like he was the next Bacon and Cheese u were gonna get.

  • @bbobjs
    @bbobjs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good video. Particularly with in the context of Guilty Gear I think a big part of the reason the clone characters (Order Sol and Robo Ky) are so distinct from their original is because the game already contains an outlet for variant expressions of all the characters; although most EX versions aren't particularly well balanced it still provides means of cheaply doubling the cast for casuals, a space to dump unused assets (some of which were added to the base characters in later versions) and several interesting 'what if' concepts (what if Venom wasn't a charge character). I wish more games would include this feature, even if it's never balanced.

  • @lambo8686
    @lambo8686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    One issue I've been having with fighting games is I love playing them but it's seems like no one I talk to online or irl really plays them. It's hard to find groups so it kinda sucks to play sometimes when there's no one to talk to. But Im also not to crazy about shooter

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I had this issue biiiiiig time, unfortunately the best thing I can recommend is going to tournaments but... You know... Pandemic and all that. Next best thing might be trying to find a discord for the game you like (however some are extremely degenerate be careful out there)

    • @lambo8686
      @lambo8686 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LeonMassey Thanks for responding but i have also had an issue with that. For example i joined like the biggest Tekken 7 server in hopes to get better and to find people. Although it had tons of people on it. It didn't really seem like anyone would play it with me. Which kind of sucked as someone who's trying to get into it lol. Do you possibly know any good ones? or and guilty gear, fighterz, or most fighting games tbh you wouldn't mind telling me?

    • @lambo8686
      @lambo8686 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also forgot to add this i found you very recently and you make content better than some of the bigger creators I have watched your videos are informative and well edited keep up the great work

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lambo8686 hmm that sounds rough, tbh I've always played alone online but then found the community I liked offline. From what I know the guilty gear crowd discord is quite good, but they are VERY picky about connections. Unfortunately I can't be much help :(

  • @chapterblaq
    @chapterblaq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    0:38 My nigga it's super hard to pause at exact moments like these watching on TV 😌

  • @kyleyuen245
    @kyleyuen245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can't express the moment I saw Ken in SFV and noticed how he finally differentiated from Ryu

  • @kaceejones2282
    @kaceejones2282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    For Iori's moveset he uses a different fighting style but still has similarities like Kyo's. Kyo's crouch punch and crouch kicks are more faster and offensive and has a quick recovery frame. With Iori his crouch punch and crouch kicks are similar interms of offense to me but his crouch kicks has a longer recover frame than Kyo's

  • @ArmageddonD11
    @ArmageddonD11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    5:30 jokes on you, i guessed 11!

  • @AirLancer
    @AirLancer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another thing about clones is that they allow a player to try a different playstyle without having to learn a completely new moveset. Take Ryu and Ken, one's based more on zoning, the other on explosive offense. Yet because they basically share the same moves, it's easier for someone to move from one to the other, than say switching from Ryu to try Chun Li.

  • @realperson9951
    @realperson9951 ปีที่แล้ว

    everytime you put skullgirls into a video, i see it as an easter egg since it's so short and rare, it's like one of the only things i actively look for in your video

  • @HeavyShores
    @HeavyShores 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “The beauty in clones”
    You either like Noob Saibot, Naruto, or platform fighters

  • @the_goodest_boy
    @the_goodest_boy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    4:10 😔 how you gonna absolutely tear into grapplers like that? I just think grabs and throws look cool..... let me be a wrestler..... 😿incineroar gang😿

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Look your alright as people but your long term video game choices are bootyhole, sorry chief, I only speak the truth B^)

    • @the_goodest_boy
      @the_goodest_boy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@LeonMassey god im so offended... but your content is so high quality and you have such cool sunglasses... 😔 i guess i have no choice but to stay subscribed and support you

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@the_goodest_boy ahhh the sunglasses always keep 'em coming back 😎

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@LeonMassey I am also a grappler main, life is suffering but i get to be the biggest character on the screen and by extension the strongest so no one can take that from me.

    • @syweb2
      @syweb2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StarkMaximum Big =/= strong

  • @123armyoftwo
    @123armyoftwo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Love that FG content here. Hope you blow up in the near future, more people should watch these cause they are both informative and entertaining

  • @shortrooper1442
    @shortrooper1442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought this video was called "The Beauty in Clothes" and I still sat through this

  • @orangepeel5661
    @orangepeel5661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found this video last night and now you've become one of my favorite fgc content creators. I love your style of videomaking and I'm really looking forward to what else you have in store. Keep up the good work my man.

  • @RmhGames
    @RmhGames 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your Humor is awesome + i liked your topic choosing it's so goo0oo0d and your vids are amazing i watched everyone of them more than twice ! Also I respect it when you are talking about a game i don't understand/doesn't have interest in " Like Tekken" yet you still explain it which gets your point faster than assuming the viewers knows everything. Keep it up man ! c;

  • @xXSilverMCXx
    @xXSilverMCXx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad the algorithm recommended your channel to me, this content is godlike. Keep up the good work 👍

  • @theedwardian
    @theedwardian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love clones. Especially if their differences are small but impactful.

  • @LnnyOsoTo
    @LnnyOsoTo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another factor to be taken into account that's obvious but underappreciated is that a clone character can be identical and still feel differently just because it looks differently. Personal and vague example but in my head Kuma is a wild beast who attacks with no mercy while Panda is considerate creature who puts more forethought into her attacks, I'm well aware that they are equal but just their looks made me come up with a different head cannon that makes me play them differently. Just clothing or color change can do the same thing but having it as a separate character reinforces these difference in optics which can influence how a character is viewed without changing how the character works.

  • @Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz
    @Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Leon out here roasting Melee and Killer Instinct but me and other SNK fans are just crying in the corner because Kyo, Iori and Kusanagi weren't even considered.

    • @MiloKuroshiro
      @MiloKuroshiro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can literally make a whole ass team with only Kyo

    • @rebelgaming4327
      @rebelgaming4327 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MiloKuroshiro there is a kyo clone team in kof 2002 um

  • @deep_eyes6804
    @deep_eyes6804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My hand has never moved so fast when I saw the notif for this vid

  • @aaronforpie
    @aaronforpie 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Idk if im just stupid but ive had this video on my recommended for like 2 weeks and i always read it as 'The Beauty in Chaos' and only when i clicked on it did i see it said clones lmao

  • @sipp4727
    @sipp4727 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are amazing and the production value is PHENOMENAL. Its shocking that you haven't even hit 2k but I'm sure you'll hit over 200k in no time if you keep making high-quality videos like this. Big props to you.

  • @lucasmilioni
    @lucasmilioni 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why do you gotta do my boy King dirty like that???? Joking aside this video is great, I can only assume it's a matter of time untill your channel is gigantic, because this content is incredible, keep it up man!

  • @NonRandomUser
    @NonRandomUser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I liked all the one-frame comments.

  • @1Diddums
    @1Diddums 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quality vid, fella.
    Y'hit me with a good smile with that Marduk line.
    You're spot on; I've described this exact comparison to several people looking at all 3 of those characters when deciding who to play.

  • @somesandman8328
    @somesandman8328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a quality video that I got recommended. The work, comparisons, details, and generally everything was great! New fan, alright!

  • @smarthead6076
    @smarthead6076 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Amazing video, really well edited and informative. Also, I'd be SO interested to hear what made you stop loving melee.

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's actually probably a really good topic for a video, ty

    • @kennythekid130
      @kennythekid130 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LeonMassey This would be a really cool video

  • @xcreenplay7264
    @xcreenplay7264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1:03 wow 30 plus years later and never realized this 😳

  • @majorghoul9017
    @majorghoul9017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kilgore and Shin Hisako are actually super different from their original counterparts, Kilgore uses machine guns that Fulgore can't and Shin Hisako is much faster and simpler than regular Hisako

  • @taiklyzubkalmar3573
    @taiklyzubkalmar3573 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    nice to see the melee shoutout! i only play melee so it was to see you bring it up. great stuff!

  • @mogullll
    @mogullll 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    10:36
    Did you forget to add some kind of clip of an unnamed short streamer here?

  • @VTown1989
    @VTown1989 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In regards to Tekken 7:
    King and Armor King = GREAT implementation of "clone" characters
    Kuma and Panda = Should be a SIN in this day and age. Unforgivable.

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just can't believe bear players get to make it to tekken god prime twice with the same character it's so sad

  • @johnnylamonte3451
    @johnnylamonte3451 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just discovered your channel, mate and I'm loving what I'm seeing. Glad to see more fun FG content out there. Keep up the good work!

  • @dallashahah5594
    @dallashahah5594 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was looking for a vid about fighting game clones a couple weeks ago i’m glad I came across this!

  • @turtlehub2731
    @turtlehub2731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    You know, I want to avoid playing dragon ball fighterz because 6 characters, are goku but with different hair color. now I watched this video, and I am still not buying that game because I never watched dragon ball in my life.
    *Edit: since everyone says I do not really need to watch the show to get the game. I will look into purchasing eventually but I need to learn skull girls first.

    • @tarunjohal9215
      @tarunjohal9215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well watch or read some dragonball and then make a better judgement 👍

    • @turtlehub2731
      @turtlehub2731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tarunjohal9215 the dragon ball series 800 episodes and that is way to much for me to handle. I am not trying to dis the dragon ball fighterz or the dragon ball series but I just cannot watch that much dragon ball and a new game will come out by the time I finish watching half of it. Since this whole game is based off dragon ball fighting I will not know why this guy can create expulsions everywhere or shoot stars at people (I do not know if a character did that in dragon ball.)

    • @tarunjohal9215
      @tarunjohal9215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@turtlehub2731 *sigh* I was only trying to make a point on how you shouldn't judge something if you have no idea what is going on, but if course it's your choice bro, I'm not trying to argue with you

    • @turtlehub2731
      @turtlehub2731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tarunjohal9215 Sorry if you interpretive that message negatively. I was just explaining why I do not want to watch a long series just to enjoy a fighting game. My apologies.

    • @tarunjohal9215
      @tarunjohal9215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@turtlehub2731 it's not a problem mate, I should apologise too if I was being rude or coming off as aggressive.

  • @TK-bg8jg
    @TK-bg8jg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    0:15 what game is that?

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Eslaf2" "Eslaf++" depending on if you want to go by the official name or not, currently in development and is only accessible through the devs patreon :)

  • @freshbroceries4601
    @freshbroceries4601 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    God bless the algorithm, just found you and am absolutely in love with the content. Keep it up homie.

  • @The_Greyfish
    @The_Greyfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really have been enjoying your content. Looking forward to seeing more!

  • @aidencrawford9704
    @aidencrawford9704 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Shame Armour King is kinda Trash in Tekken 7. :cry:

    • @LeonMassey
      @LeonMassey  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Feels like he's built for a different game some days ._.

    • @Leadblast
      @Leadblast 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks to the T7 virjins for making movement useless

  • @WillzehUK
    @WillzehUK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

  • @pelfish
    @pelfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wanted to say congrats on the newfound growth of your channel! I love your content and I subscribed maybe a week ago and I swear you must've been like under 1k subs then. Now you're already at 5k. Looking forward to seeing more content from you!

  • @jerrysandoval2001
    @jerrysandoval2001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey this was dope. Good work bud. I'm gonna go binge your other videos

  • @hoodeenee1302
    @hoodeenee1302 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this was the first vid of u i watched and the growth since then is nutty, keep up the sexy vids!

  • @my_pp_is_smolnuke_africa4920
    @my_pp_is_smolnuke_africa4920 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just logged in to tell you how awesome your content is.
    I just found you, saw a few videos, and was like: damn, this might be my favourite content creator.
    no, really!

  • @kekon3
    @kekon3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey, this showed up in my recommends and I'm kinda glad I checked in. Honestly now wish I found these sooner! Had me laughing p hard and pausing for all the jokes. good shit duder

  • @zellbi
    @zellbi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos are absolutely fantastic.

  • @IndyRevolutions
    @IndyRevolutions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I keep coming back to this video just for the Order Sol part. Just the questioning, confused "+37 ?????" just tickles my funny bone I can't help but giggle every time

  • @jjtt2735
    @jjtt2735 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Recommended video by TH-cam and never been so happy. Subscribed :)

  • @justacasualdefierofphysics6517
    @justacasualdefierofphysics6517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have been on fire recently man!
    Great Video as always!

  • @AffyMoon
    @AffyMoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love clones for two reasons:
    1) more content in less time while also giving devs some hard earned chill,
    2) clones are basically "Hey so you liked the moveset but not the playstyle of the character? Here's a character with the same moveset but a different playstyle, now it might be perfect for you!"

  • @mattothefatto
    @mattothefatto 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, you grew from 3.3k to 4k in 1 day. You got some good content, keep growing man!

  • @danielnegronjr9995
    @danielnegronjr9995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found your videos recently and honestly i love the way you have been doing vids, lookin forward to you blowing ip

  • @paologulli8518
    @paologulli8518 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is it possibile that you have 5k subscribers with this quality man this videos are 🔥🔥

  • @iwantitpaintedblack542
    @iwantitpaintedblack542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great topic great execution cant wait for the next vid

  • @wispyone3702
    @wispyone3702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this was an awesome video
    Thanks for talking about order sol :) I like order sol, he has the good song

  • @Astral_Esther
    @Astral_Esther 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I often see you on my recommendation and I don't regret watching any of these,always had a good time listening,might as well give a follow right now
    that aside,I honestly think an analysis on the beauty of Boss Characters like Akuma,Nine The Phantom(Blazblue) ,Elizabeth (P4 Arena) or more characters like them that CANONICALLY are the strongest would make a good subject
    I'm charmed quite easily by Boss Characters,whatever their tiers are ,many others do and I'm sure an analysis from you would easily show us "all" the dephts of Boss Character Gameplay,what makes them so complex,so dumb,so risky or unplayable and how are they so scary at first sight
    That would give many other reasons to like them
    I have no clue if anyone has already done this,but in either way
    Different analysis and different points of views on them are all interresting and that's what makes fighting games analysis so good

  • @liampeet3298
    @liampeet3298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found your channel today! Nice content bro.

  • @maounobbu8128
    @maounobbu8128 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    DBFZ has a hundred Gokus but they all play differently and that is amazing. A Base Goku main can look at UI mains and just call them apes. SSJ Goku mains wouldn't say much since those stopped existing since his 2M nerf. Gogeta and Vegito are Gokus and play entirely different from each othef despite both sharing similar J.2H moves and being both fusions. And then there's Bluku who tries to dabs on every other Goku because they got a 17 frame command grab and then UI is just the most gorilla variant of Goku there is despite being farther from it than GT Goku and then there's-

  • @cyber-phoenix01
    @cyber-phoenix01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really believed that at some point Siegfried and Nightmare would be mentioned

  • @ToliG123
    @ToliG123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The FGC is one mixed bag, but at least we all like punching each other.

  • @kupo4914
    @kupo4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Literally just found this channel before I was sleep only to watch all of your content, but honestly it baffles me that this high fgc is quality content has given you low subscribers.You my friend have earn a sub keep up the good work and have a nice da.

  • @chronos7554
    @chronos7554 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    these 1-frame long footnotes are infuriating to pause for on mobile. that aside great video

  • @HayateKusanagi
    @HayateKusanagi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep this content up man. This is really good shit. You can talk about Gear as much as you want man, give me more.

  • @eggmug562
    @eggmug562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clones don't exist anymore
    Daisy: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT

  • @KinguBlood
    @KinguBlood 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great videos man. I like going deep on Fighting games haha

  • @mothballsva
    @mothballsva 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You make awesome content, and deserve a lot more attention.

  • @daimax5773
    @daimax5773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, keep up the good work!

  • @Wiziliz
    @Wiziliz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ayyye, E's Laf++ footage near the start, nice.

  • @shympek8627
    @shympek8627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Video, really good quality, hope you get more subs

  • @jddesmore
    @jddesmore 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude we really need more youtube channels like you

  • @hereyougo3075
    @hereyougo3075 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned a lot from this video so ima give a like and a sub. Also in Killer instinct the "clone" characters feel nothing like the originals even from a amateur point of view. Someone who doesn't play fighting games often may say characters like Ken and Ryu play the same because they have the same specials (hadoken and tatsu) but for Killer intinct the clones are either given different weapons to use. In the case of Hisako and her clone Shin Hisako she uses a different weapons so she has no choice but to play different and has different specials. The same is said for Kilgore and Fulgor. Fulgor being the "original" game wise not story wise has lasers and claws while Kilgore being a less efficient model uses machine guns and his body to attack but he overheats and you get the point. Another comment did say Jago and shadow Jago were the same at first (I joined the KI band wagon a bit too late to witness that) but then he became his own character. For these two they have the same character model and use the same weapon but the special moves are tweaked in a sense. Not minor like how Ken and Ryu are but Jago has a normal fireball while Shadow Jago's are smaller but more are shot at once. Jago and Shadow Jago also share this special kick attack but despite Jago just kicking the opponents face Shadow can use it as a mix up since he teleports either in front or behind the player.

  • @JoeMattJoeMatt
    @JoeMattJoeMatt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this video inspired me to re-download tekken 7 and play armor king, I fell in love with the game again

  • @ignap
    @ignap 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good video, nice edits, nice pacing, : subscribed :)

  • @Cooldude-kc5wf
    @Cooldude-kc5wf 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i like how everytime he's showing sol he's in single player but the order sol footage in multiplayer