The best manipulation is the kind that has genuine feelings to it...Oz was hurt that Vic didn't like being with him cause nobody likes him and he is desperate to be loved like the old school gangsta he talked about in episode one. Great reaction as always!❤
thank you for understanding this lol. A lot of folks seem to trust Oz, the murdering, lying, plotting gangster whos done nothing but manipulate every single character in the show. They think Vic is the exception to this lol. Walter White was a similar kind of manipulator to Jesse. Its exactly like an abusive relationship where the abuser uses genuine feelings to manipulate and gaslight the abused into staying.
I like the detail that this scene shows us that Oz is VERY physically strong, despite his disability. We saw it in episode one how he carried the body of a grown ass man but this is better because it shows if he wanted to, he could've ripped Viti's jaw open.
I feel like Penguin was genuinely hurt during that scene with Vic. The fact that he was raised by a mother who he thinks actually would be proud to see what he's made, makes him honestly not see it from Vic's perspective. He lies and betrays people so frequently that he doesn't understand why Vic would be scared to leave in his position. The main 3 are written so well. Also, I love your mention of their disabilities binding them in their constant need to prove their worth. So good!!
Yeah idk why they thought that was some grand manipulation tactic 😭 The whole lead up to bathroom scene was Oz being nice to him the whole ep to drive home that he actually DOES care about Vic.
@@vizari9570it definitely was a bit manipulative, he was genuinely hurt but he used that to get him to stay. Don’t think that Vic is the exception, he leaves Sofia to die at the end right after apologizing
@@vizari9570 just cause it was sincere doesn't mean he wasn't manipulating him. the best manipulators are honest. it's how you get people to trust you while getting them to follow you into the darkness.
@@moonanx i just dont see how him literally telling Vic to leave is him manipulating him. He was angry and didnt want to see him, which to me reads that he wasnt pulling some littlefinger type move to reverse psychology Vic into staying.
We getting all this character development just for Batman to put Vic through a wall and have penguin dangling of a roof in the first 10 mins of Batman 2 😭
God, I love how they just sit there in silence during Oz’s big speech to Vic. They’re just taking in the incredible writing and fantastic acting from both actors.
I was kinda expecting they'd crack, maybe say a joke or say something in the moment but honestly? I appreciate they didn't, it was a powerful scene and I love how they just soaked it all in first and enjoyed the writing before commenting on it. Props to them man, they're def one of the best reactors in yt
In one episode I went from thinking that Victor was an OK character, to thinking that if anything happens to this kid and he doesn’t make it to the top with Oz, I’m going to absolutely flip out! Rhenzy Feliz is KILLING IT as Victor Aguilar! I especially love that they showed us from his point of view what the bombing of the sea wall looked like. And you can also see why he wants so much more out of life. He saw his father try and play and things fair and just settle for lower class. But Victor is tired of settling for scraps. He wants something more.
Yeah. And I like how the writers had Victor going back to Oz, his own choice. They didn’t have to kill off Victors gf, and have him go back to Oz as a way to get revenge.
Sofia: "Aw you would really take a bullet for me". Oz the moment he heard a bang🏃♂️. Im dead he really hit Sofia with that after telling her he feels sorry for what he did😭
I think the Maroni’s exposed him in front of Sofia. We only see Vic’s pov. They were standing up when the came, but by the time Vic got there they were on their knees at gun point. Plus Penguin wouldn’t have been dumb enough let Sofia hang just yet (if he wasn’t exposed) because she knows all the ins and outs about the new drug operation. Penguin would’ve wanted to gain more access.
Only 3 episodes in and this is already my favorite show of the year. Like I’ve already said, I wasn’t expecting much from this show but it’s blowing me away. Each episode gets better and better. Let’s hope it keeps this up and sticks the landing.
The Hangman killed 7 women. Carmine had a thing for choking women(Selina's mom, Selina's friend, and almost Selina herself). 10 bucks says Carmine is actually the hangman.
That acting in this show is unreal. Like you really feel what these people are going through and understand them all clearly. Colin Ferral needs an award forsure
And good job cheering your boy up. That bathroom scene obviously touched him and connected with him on an emotional level and instead of making fun of him you slickly crack a joke at an appropriate time. Idk if that was intentional but it was good to see. Black men HAVE to do this for eachother
Oz's relationship with Vic isn't 100% manipulation. A lot of those feelings are genuine. In the 1st scene of the first episode, when Oz was telling the story of the mobster who took care of everyone in the neighborhood: that mobster is exactly who Oz is trying to emulate. He wants to know and take care of people around him. But what we are also seeing is that circumstances keep calling for Oz to be an asshole; to look out for number one. That's the beauty of this show.
Genuine for how it serves Penguin, not Vic. He wants to be like that gangster he talked about, so yes he wants to be admired and revered by Vic but that's about it. None of this is good for Vic, it's a life of crime.
Its interesting that he just wants to be like the gangster he looked up to as a kid, successful but not necessarily owning or taking over the entire world. Because what can you really accomplish as a criminal in a world where batman and superman exist
We gotta remember Vic was already engaging in criminal activity before Oz ever found him. Not to this level for sure but it’s not like Vic was a completely innocent and random kid
Ppl love to pretend like Vic is some goody kid who’s an innocent victim… the grown adult decided to rob car parts to make money instead of working a real job🤦🏽♂️ oz have him multiple chances to leave yet for some reason he stayed. He went to the bus stop and stared at his girl like an idiot, he purposely stayed with oz yet ppl act like he was manipulated and is a victim.
@@joelhenry5489 thats a GREAT way to put it, “as much as he can” and who knows how much that is. In his own way he cares for him honestly, but I doubt enough to spare his life if it meant the city was his. His loyalty always only goes so far.
23:02 I don't think Oz expected Victor to comeback. I think that, in a twisted way, Oz does care for Victor, albeit in his own particular way, so he did try to get Victor to go away in the bathroom scene
This show keeps getting better with each episode. Sofia brings tension to every scene she's in. Please stay safe, gang, during this turbulent weather🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
This show is so refreshing. Studios need to learn to give freedom to intelligent and passionate writers, I heard someone say once "we're actually getting tired of this fastfood quality in movies and tv, we deserve some gourmet" and I agree. Also, Colin Farrell 👌🏼
Ye when that episode ended I was like damn they just had a good talk too then this happens 😭 and oz ain’t even care hopped in the whip talking bout some “we’re in it now kid, we’re in it now”😭😭
I can’t say it off the top of the dome but if anybody could spin that situation in their favor, it’s Oz😂 I hope so at least I love him and Sophia together
“Fuck em, make em wait, take up space” beautiful sentiment….. Until later in the bathroom scene when Vic was taking up OZs time, OZ’s space, and OZ wasn’t willing to wait. The manipulation is beautifully crafted in this show
@@AIartificalIntellige nothing you said even addressed what I commented. No one said Vic disrespected penguin 💀. When Vic was stuttering at dinner, penguin spoke up to the impatient waiter and told him to let Vic finish, and said exactly the quote above. But when Penguin was the one that had to wait cause of Vic’s stuttering, he wasn’t so patient. Simple.
The Penguin is literally one of THE Batman's top rogues. And it is definitely not because of his physical strength or manic drive. Penguin is intelligent, not just smart, not just street-wise, but intelligent. Brute Strength, lack of morals, none of that is enough to survive the Gotham underworld. Heck, even the non-criminals got a bit of that in them. No, penguin is a planner. This is what it takes to be one of the top criminals in Gotham.
@@crimsonghoul8983 About equal, I would think. Honestly, Black Mask is more like the Joker, with a different point of obsession (Bruce, instead of Batman). Penguin isn't driven to beat Batman; he just wants to be powerful, rich, and elite.
Damn...if Batman was a more experienced detective at this point, he would've caught that carpet tucker tool clue sooner and those bombs would've never ruined Vics life.
The main reason Batman missed that clue is cause in that moment batman along with us the viewers were more focused on the fact Riddler potentially knows his identity. Everyone was on the edge of their seat until the film lets us know Riddler doesn’t actually know.
I think there was a jump as they went from standing to sitting. Nadia Maroni might have exposed Oz to Sofia before planning the execution so maybe that’s why he said to just leave. They might show us that scene of what transpired before Vic got there in the next episode
I gotta say, I LOVE Oz telling the waiter to let Vic finish. That's the most genuine frustration I feel like we've seen from him. Oz may be a manipulative POS, but he cares for Vic.
Also notice vic doesn't stuttet when he's comfortable. He speaks clearly. Its when he's uncomfortable or in a situation he's not use to where the stuttering comes out.
@@theeLonelyRedPanda no he always stutters, repeats or/and has blocks, sometimes its obvious and sometimes its subtle. But the only time so far he doesnt stutter is when he is alone in the car.
He does always stutter, but he keeps better control of it when he is calm. It only consistently begins to get worse when he is at a heightened emotional state. So like, really happy, sad, nervous, or anxious.
Victor seeing the explosion at Gotham’s seawalls instantly reminded me of how Kate Bishop saw the battle of New York in the first episode of the Hawkeye TV series.
I think he didn't want to save Sofia because she already knows that he killed Alberto. It's obvious that Oz was "ratted out" / exposed by the wife of Sal. I believe that by the moment Vic ran over that dude the partnership between Oz and Sofia had already ended, so there was no practical value for Oz to save her.
Only reason I think Oz left Sofia at the end is because one of Maroni’s top dogs saying “Oz, you think you can play us” would immediately make Sofia piece everything together. That would make the situation even worse for him, both Falcone and Maroni turning against him in that moment,so he took his chance to leave tf out of there.
26:40 he did not make life harder for himself, they were literally about to kill Sophia and Oz because of his two timing. You think Sophia would be fine after that just because Oz got her in the car? She was already on the fence ain’t no way she trusts him after that lady pulled up like that.
The reason Oz immediately left is because Vic hit the goon with the car, Alberto's murder was exposed to Sofia, meaning he didn't need her anymore. We'll probably see all the dialog playout at the start of the next episode
The fact that each episode is better than the last is so far impressive to me. This episode stands out as some of the best acting of this year! Emmy's for Farrell and Milioti, they are so good in this show. Shout out to Rhenzy Feliz who also have been killing it in his own way, did not how much depth they will give to his character but this episode made me really interested to see where his character will end up in all of this (My assumption is that he might get killed off by the end of this series, I can see that happening, I hope not but if they do kill him off I hope it done in the way that works for the character and the overall Penguin arch, because he does see Vic as a son he never had, he can relate to Vic, he sees him more than just his henchman). But everybody so far in this show have been good to great, the fact that this is a Limited Series tells me that this will be ranking up fast... This entire show feels like one big movie which it really is in a way. So things are going quick but it's done so well, props to Matt Reeves and everybody who worked on this show, this is a surprise hit as many including myself did not know for sure how this show will turn out, but so far I have nothing but high praise! Also, one thing I realised pretty quickly... When Vic took Oz's car that was his way of deciding which life he wants for himself, not that he was stealing it 😂 some people for some reason thought he is either stealing it or going to dry off with Graciela or something but it's clear as day that it was his way of deciding if he wants to stay with Oz and have a life that he feels he deserves and wants or have a life that is filled with questions, worries and uncertainity.
@@MrFredstt he was hurt out of ego, remember he wants to be remembered like the gangster who helped people. Victor wanting to get away breaks that illusion that he’s the gangster that people respect
The excitement in Penguin's voice saying... "we in it now, Vic. we in it." shows have much he needed a guy who'd go through hell for him. shows so F*cking good, and it's only 3 episodes in
9:55 😂😂😂😂😂😂 21:06 the crazy part is that Vic really could have left at any point. •When Oswald was caught •When he was left alone •left alone in the car Etc
I think he totally meant what he said to Vic and was really sad when he left, but, at the same time, when push comes to shove he will abandon, throw him under the bus, or whack him if he feels he has to.
This show's got a way of being real and it hurts man. Penguin's wrong, but he makes sense even as we know he's manipulating Vic. Vic's feeling boxed in and like there's no good choice. I just hope he makes it out somehow by the end of the season. Reminds me of Nacho Varga might've kinda been early from BCS.
So happy to be back watching you guys, you've been reacting to a lot of things i haven't watched yet, and I dont wanna be spoiled. You guys are probably my favorite react content when it comes to shows and movies. And btw Dune 2 when?
Pretty sure the reason Oz ditched her so fast afterwards is because while they were being held at gunpoint the Maroni woman was revealing Oz as a double agent so sofias trust was already destroyed and that’s why Oz decided to leave her. You can see them talking in the scene where Vic is pulling up and realizing what’s happening, we’re prob gonna see what happens next episode
Y’all not thinking about it.. if the other mob family showed up talking to Oz like they working together.. he can’t save Sophia now it’s too late his cover was blown being a double agent. But now I’m predicting Sophia and this other woman might work together since they both getting played by Oz
I'm so glad yall were able to pick up on ozz's manipulation on victor. It seems that cause ozz is charismatic that some people forget that Vic has an actual honest to God reason to think he's being held hostage.... Because he was legit held at gunpoint. All this to say that it isn't like he doesn't care about Vic, he does, but he also doesn't let him forget that he's a merciless gangster that will kill people he shook hands with 5 secs ago if it gets him to the top
@@Nothimx11 he didn’t leave at the end because he’s now making the choice to stay. So anything that happens after this will be on him. BEFORE this though he thought he was an hostage…it’s pretty simple.
I think Oz genuinely cares for Vic in his own way, but not enough to spare his life if it meant giving up being a kingpin. His loyalty to Vic is shakey, more than he has for most, but he’s a villain at the end of the day.
It demonstrates how easily ppl get manipulated by charismatic ppl with power. That's how most tyrants and dictators come to power. Say some nice words and the average person will fall for it. I definitely don't think he cares about Vic, at least not in the way you are suggesting. Oz wants to be revered like that gangster he spoke about. That's how he sees Vic, someone to revere him and so he hates to lose that. He hasn't even told Vic that his friend is dead. The one Vics gf asked about. She said he went missing the same time Vic did....that's the kid Sofia killed when Oz said he was lying about seeing Oz at the club when her brother died. Vic saw the missing persons poster last episode and Oz hushed him away quickly. Levels of manipulation.
I don't think Oz actually knew that Vic would come back. They showed him sitting at the bar hurt for a reason. He felt alone again. He was hurt because he thought Vic was there because he wanted to be. He sees himself in Vic and it feels like when he speaks to him he's speaking to his younger self.
Yea I would have been Vic in this situation, I didn’t even realize Oz was manipulating him until they said that and I was wondering why they were crying. I genuinely thought that Oz was just looking out for him and was actually buddies with him
Penguin did not know he'd be back. He was for real hurt, manipulative as he is. Don't forget the opening scene, he told us his dream - he wants to be the "goog" gangster.
More peak 😮💨
This episode is best so far hands down!
You know the dialogue hits hard when Lupa starts crying from it
Facts
Getting used to it at this point📝⭐🔥
Victor might become Victor Zsasz, my prediction
The best manipulation is the kind that has genuine feelings to it...Oz was hurt that Vic didn't like being with him cause nobody likes him and he is desperate to be loved like the old school gangsta he talked about in episode one. Great reaction as always!❤
Exactly the best manipulators use truth
thank you for understanding this lol. A lot of folks seem to trust Oz, the murdering, lying, plotting gangster whos done nothing but manipulate every single character in the show. They think Vic is the exception to this lol. Walter White was a similar kind of manipulator to Jesse. Its exactly like an abusive relationship where the abuser uses genuine feelings to manipulate and gaslight the abused into staying.
@@YaBoyRoshiYup. The best manipulators are the one's that believe the lie too. This writing is so deep
@@YaBoyRoshiahhh it makes
Sense now
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"the fuck d'you just say to me,"
Lupa almost lost his life, lmao
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@@HenryIsCool137 7:35
Viti really thought it was a good idea to insult the penguin and the hangman butt ass naked 😂
guy really thinks he's untouchable
I like the detail that this scene shows us that Oz is VERY physically strong, despite his disability. We saw it in episode one how he carried the body of a grown ass man but this is better because it shows if he wanted to, he could've ripped Viti's jaw open.
This is completely continued on EP5 😂 I guess that’s just how he is.
Oz went from “I got you” to “I choose me” faster then the flash 😂
22:20 Lupa getting emotional, feeling the scene, is one of my favorite parts of your reaction trio. Love y'all, love this show.
I feel like Penguin was genuinely hurt during that scene with Vic. The fact that he was raised by a mother who he thinks actually would be proud to see what he's made, makes him honestly not see it from Vic's perspective. He lies and betrays people so frequently that he doesn't understand why Vic would be scared to leave in his position. The main 3 are written so well.
Also, I love your mention of their disabilities binding them in their constant need to prove their worth. So good!!
I think he was too. I believe he meant everything he said to Vic
Yeah idk why they thought that was some grand manipulation tactic 😭 The whole lead up to bathroom scene was Oz being nice to him the whole ep to drive home that he actually DOES care about Vic.
@@vizari9570it definitely was a bit manipulative, he was genuinely hurt but he used that to get him to stay. Don’t think that Vic is the exception, he leaves Sofia to die at the end right after apologizing
@@vizari9570 just cause it was sincere doesn't mean he wasn't manipulating him. the best manipulators are honest. it's how you get people to trust you while getting them to follow you into the darkness.
@@moonanx i just dont see how him literally telling Vic to leave is him manipulating him. He was angry and didnt want to see him, which to me reads that he wasnt pulling some littlefinger type move to reverse psychology Vic into staying.
We getting all this character development just for Batman to put Vic through a wall and have penguin dangling of a roof in the first 10 mins of Batman 2 😭
@@roboghost3203 that would be hilarious lol
Vic is not making it to the batman part 2 😢
@@chefthanos9861 yup Vic is def gonna be character development for Oz
I'm gonna hate penguin when he kills vic
🤣🤣🤣
God, I love how they just sit there in silence during Oz’s big speech to Vic. They’re just taking in the incredible writing and fantastic acting from both actors.
I was kinda expecting they'd crack, maybe say a joke or say something in the moment but honestly? I appreciate they didn't, it was a powerful scene and I love how they just soaked it all in first and enjoyed the writing before commenting on it. Props to them man, they're def one of the best reactors in yt
Lupa was crying, lol.
It was such a good scene, man.
And then totally missed the point... Smh
@@shanekegthey just sympathetic to the kids situation
That talk really hit Lupa heart strings. that speech was so good. love the show
shit was real
I had the same exact reaction
Man everytime Sophia’s scary ass shows up on screen I wanna call Batman. Like Batman help, I need some wadduh I’m thirsty, she kinda bad.
😭😭😭😭
😂
She's so fine, bruhhh 😩😮💨
Bruh waht?!!! Stop simping 💀💀
Batman can't come at the moment LOL
In one episode I went from thinking that Victor was an OK character, to thinking that if anything happens to this kid and he doesn’t make it to the top with Oz, I’m going to absolutely flip out! Rhenzy Feliz is KILLING IT as Victor Aguilar!
I especially love that they showed us from his point of view what the bombing of the sea wall looked like. And you can also see why he wants so much more out of life. He saw his father try and play and things fair and just settle for lower class. But Victor is tired of settling for scraps. He wants something more.
I'm feeling he gonna die by the end of the season and penguin will go to a darker path
Yeah. And I like how the writers had Victor going back to Oz, his own choice. They didn’t have to kill off Victors gf, and have him go back to Oz as a way to get revenge.
Well he should’ve picked a crime free life living with his girl and working a regular job…
Well . . .
Sofia: "Aw you would really take a bullet for me".
Oz the moment he heard a bang🏃♂️. Im dead he really hit Sofia with that after telling her he feels sorry for what he did😭
Sofia probably found out what Oz did to her brother so there was no point in trying to save her.
@@LouisLitt369 I dont think she did yet. My guess would be she finds out in the next ep Edit: I was right
😂😂😂all he knows is the 🐧 had to make it, so if it pops off i gotta survive
I think the Maroni’s exposed him in front of Sofia. We only see Vic’s pov. They were standing up when the came, but by the time Vic got there they were on their knees at gun point. Plus Penguin wouldn’t have been dumb enough let Sofia hang just yet (if he wasn’t exposed) because she knows all the ins and outs about the new drug operation. Penguin would’ve wanted to gain more access.
@@Jarjar2270 we'll see
"They don't give out awards for dying in the projects" shit was deep had me wanting to hit up the plug
what? 🤣
ong i needa flip a brick now
Only 3 episodes in and this is already my favorite show of the year. Like I’ve already said, I wasn’t expecting much from this show but it’s blowing me away. Each episode gets better and better. Let’s hope it keeps this up and sticks the landing.
The Hangman killed 7 women. Carmine had a thing for choking women(Selina's mom, Selina's friend, and almost Selina herself). 10 bucks says Carmine is actually the hangman.
Yeah, it wasn't outright stated but this episode definitely heavily implied it.
@@KeijiMaeda86 so he had his own daughter take the fall for his crimes? what a scumbag lol
@@aqeelraja4750 basically
@@aqeelraja4750 framed one daughter and tried to choke the other lol, dad of the year.
In the comics she is the hangman🤓
I love how all of you guys were super quiet and focused on that bathroom scene between Oz and Victor. Such a powerful scene.
That acting in this show is unreal. Like you really feel what these people are going through and understand them all clearly. Colin Ferral needs an award forsure
And good job cheering your boy up. That bathroom scene obviously touched him and connected with him on an emotional level and instead of making fun of him you slickly crack a joke at an appropriate time. Idk if that was intentional but it was good to see. Black men HAVE to do this for eachother
Oz's relationship with Vic isn't 100% manipulation. A lot of those feelings are genuine. In the 1st scene of the first episode, when Oz was telling the story of the mobster who took care of everyone in the neighborhood: that mobster is exactly who Oz is trying to emulate. He wants to know and take care of people around him. But what we are also seeing is that circumstances keep calling for Oz to be an asshole; to look out for number one. That's the beauty of this show.
Genuine for how it serves Penguin, not Vic. He wants to be like that gangster he talked about, so yes he wants to be admired and revered by Vic but that's about it. None of this is good for Vic, it's a life of crime.
Oz's lifestyle of crime and violence is also reinforced by his mom. Oz doesn't really register his behavior as hurtful and destructive.
Its interesting that he just wants to be like the gangster he looked up to as a kid, successful but not necessarily owning or taking over the entire world. Because what can you really accomplish as a criminal in a world where batman and superman exist
We gotta remember Vic was already engaging in criminal activity before Oz ever found him. Not to this level for sure but it’s not like Vic was a completely innocent and random kid
Ppl love to pretend like Vic is some goody kid who’s an innocent victim… the grown adult decided to rob car parts to make money instead of working a real job🤦🏽♂️ oz have him multiple chances to leave yet for some reason he stayed. He went to the bus stop and stared at his girl like an idiot, he purposely stayed with oz yet ppl act like he was manipulated and is a victim.
My guy had tears during Penguins monologue, I understand it though.
The thing about his relationship with Victor is that, as much as he can, he really cares about him, because he sees himself in him.
@@joelhenry5489 thats a GREAT way to put it, “as much as he can” and who knows how much that is. In his own way he cares for him honestly, but I doubt enough to spare his life if it meant the city was his. His loyalty always only goes so far.
@@TheKawaiikarino GOTHAM criminal is going to throw his life away to save someone they caught stealing their car parts…
23:02 I don't think Oz expected Victor to comeback. I think that, in a twisted way, Oz does care for Victor, albeit in his own particular way, so he did try to get Victor to go away in the bathroom scene
the cliffhanger was diabolical on this one 😭
Calvin is the kid Sofia shot when she was interrogating Oz.
what about it
Yeah not sure how Vic's gonna feel/react about that one😬😂
This show keeps getting better with each episode. Sofia brings tension to every scene she's in.
Please stay safe, gang, during this turbulent weather🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Yes, Lupa, PTSD is in fact crazy.
Thought was a universal fact
This show is so refreshing. Studios need to learn to give freedom to intelligent and passionate writers, I heard someone say once "we're actually getting tired of this fastfood quality in movies and tv, we deserve some gourmet" and I agree. Also, Colin Farrell 👌🏼
Maybe studios that start with an M 🤭
The beginning scene and the Vic/Oz confrontation might be my favorite things to come out of DC in years ngl.
Still can't get over how awesome this turned out!
The crumb of trust that was built up has been torn down. Idk what Oz is going to do now.
Ye when that episode ended I was like damn they just had a good talk too then this happens 😭 and oz ain’t even care hopped in the whip talking bout some “we’re in it now kid, we’re in it now”😭😭
@@thatboysemi7557 that’s what I’m saying 🙏🏾
I can’t say it off the top of the dome but if anybody could spin that situation in their favor, it’s Oz😂 I hope so at least I love him and Sophia together
In 2 minutes or less mind you... 😂😅
I think shit happened in between them showing up and what we see when Oz is on his knees. Some words were probably said already
Sofia: don’t touch the mushrooms they are fragile
Also Sofia: yank one off 😂😂
the acting from everyone on this show has been fire
That Entire Opening really Does Elevate how Horrific the Flood was...
“Fuck em, make em wait, take up space” beautiful sentiment…..
Until later in the bathroom scene when Vic was taking up OZs time, OZ’s space, and OZ wasn’t willing to wait. The manipulation is beautifully crafted in this show
What? So him telling him to be more boisterous is supposed to translate to him disrespecting Penguin 😅
@@AIartificalIntellige nothing you said even addressed what I commented. No one said Vic disrespected penguin 💀. When Vic was stuttering at dinner, penguin spoke up to the impatient waiter and told him to let Vic finish, and said exactly the quote above. But when Penguin was the one that had to wait cause of Vic’s stuttering, he wasn’t so patient. Simple.
The Penguin is literally one of THE Batman's top rogues. And it is definitely not because of his physical strength or manic drive. Penguin is intelligent, not just smart, not just street-wise, but intelligent. Brute Strength, lack of morals, none of that is enough to survive the Gotham underworld. Heck, even the non-criminals got a bit of that in them. No, penguin is a planner. This is what it takes to be one of the top criminals in Gotham.
There has to be someone who is superior to him, though. And no, it's not the Joker.
@@crimsonghoul8983 Superior in what sense? All the rogues have their own specialty.
@@aquatus1Ok. If we compare Penguin to Black Mask, for example, you'd think Black Mask would be superior in terms of intelligence and cunning, right?
@@crimsonghoul8983 About equal, I would think. Honestly, Black Mask is more like the Joker, with a different point of obsession (Bruce, instead of Batman). Penguin isn't driven to beat Batman; he just wants to be powerful, rich, and elite.
No he's not.. sigh 🫠
Damn...if Batman was a more experienced detective at this point, he would've caught that carpet tucker tool clue sooner and those bombs would've never ruined Vics life.
U can’t expect Batman to be everywhere in Gotham he did his best the only thing that’s wrong is how riddler ain’t dead💀
The main reason Batman missed that clue is cause in that moment batman along with us the viewers were more focused on the fact Riddler potentially knows his identity. Everyone was on the edge of their seat until the film lets us know Riddler doesn’t actually know.
The actors and writers are absolutely killing it so far!
Sofia scary as shit I would've rather risked my life grabbing her then just leaving her out to dry bro 😭
I think there was a jump as they went from standing to sitting. Nadia Maroni might have exposed Oz to Sofia before planning the execution so maybe that’s why he said to just leave. They might show us that scene of what transpired before Vic got there in the next episode
I gotta say, I LOVE Oz telling the waiter to let Vic finish. That's the most genuine frustration I feel like we've seen from him. Oz may be a manipulative POS, but he cares for Vic.
I am as addicted to this show as those club kids are to that new Bliss drug
😢😂we got no idea what the maroni's said while they had them at gun point so maybe he had to dip
Also notice vic doesn't stuttet when he's comfortable. He speaks clearly. Its when he's uncomfortable or in a situation he's not use to where the stuttering comes out.
Nah he still stutters. He just a better control. Part of his ptsd Ig
It’s apart of him… even when he calm he stutters, didn’t you pay attention when he was with his girl by themselves? He still stuttered.
Yeah a second look might be needed.. because he definitely still stutters 😬
@@theeLonelyRedPanda no he always stutters, repeats or/and has blocks, sometimes its obvious and sometimes its subtle. But the only time so far he doesnt stutter is when he is alone in the car.
He does always stutter, but he keeps better control of it when he is calm. It only consistently begins to get worse when he is at a heightened emotional state. So like, really happy, sad, nervous, or anxious.
Victor seeing the explosion at Gotham’s seawalls instantly reminded me of how Kate Bishop saw the battle of New York in the first episode of the Hawkeye TV series.
Except that Hawkeye was ass apart from kingpin
@@htownrocket Hawkeye is much better than this show.
people can’t even write simple dialogue without someone spamming “that’s a death flag”.
I think he didn't want to save Sofia because she already knows that he killed Alberto. It's obvious that Oz was "ratted out" / exposed by the wife of Sal. I believe that by the moment Vic ran over that dude the partnership between Oz and Sofia had already ended, so there was no practical value for Oz to save her.
Only reason I think Oz left Sofia at the end is because one of Maroni’s top dogs saying “Oz, you think you can play us” would immediately make Sofia piece everything together. That would make the situation even worse for him, both Falcone and Maroni turning against him in that moment,so he took his chance to leave tf out of there.
I think the Maronis told Sofia the truth before Vic arrived. That's why Oz had to abandon her coz she'd kill him.
“How’s the fucking going, Johnny?” LOL😂LOL😂 that cracked me up
This Penguin is one of the best examples of the make up as you gong along trope in fiction.
That bathroom scene wasn’t manipulation. Oz was genuinely hurt.
It was part manipulation but but genuine feelings as he DID want Vic to side with him to be the gangster he always wanted to be!
26:40 he did not make life harder for himself, they were literally about to kill Sophia and Oz because of his two timing. You think Sophia would be fine after that just because Oz got her in the car? She was already on the fence ain’t no way she trusts him after that lady pulled up like that.
The reason Oz immediately left is because Vic hit the goon with the car, Alberto's murder was exposed to Sofia, meaning he didn't need her anymore. We'll probably see all the dialog playout at the start of the next episode
The writing for this show is Top-tier.
Oz was definitely manipulating Vic. But that scene where he yells at him was raw emotion. No more manipulation. And in the end Vic did choose to stay.
this is kind of off topic but the editing is so good, like the green screen bg and the way the episode is kinda faded is so nice
BEST SHOW OF 2024 FALL ATM IMO.
P.S Y'ALL STAY SAFE THAT TORSNDO IN FLORIDA AIN'T NO JOKE
Until Arcane 😴
The fact that each episode is better than the last is so far impressive to me. This episode stands out as some of the best acting of this year! Emmy's for Farrell and Milioti, they are so good in this show. Shout out to Rhenzy Feliz who also have been killing it in his own way, did not how much depth they will give to his character but this episode made me really interested to see where his character will end up in all of this (My assumption is that he might get killed off by the end of this series, I can see that happening, I hope not but if they do kill him off I hope it done in the way that works for the character and the overall Penguin arch, because he does see Vic as a son he never had, he can relate to Vic, he sees him more than just his henchman). But everybody so far in this show have been good to great, the fact that this is a Limited Series tells me that this will be ranking up fast... This entire show feels like one big movie which it really is in a way. So things are going quick but it's done so well, props to Matt Reeves and everybody who worked on this show, this is a surprise hit as many including myself did not know for sure how this show will turn out, but so far I have nothing but high praise! Also, one thing I realised pretty quickly... When Vic took Oz's car that was his way of deciding which life he wants for himself, not that he was stealing it 😂 some people for some reason thought he is either stealing it or going to dry off with Graciela or something but it's clear as day that it was his way of deciding if he wants to stay with Oz and have a life that he feels he deserves and wants or have a life that is filled with questions, worries and uncertainity.
10:00 the ishowspeed meme took me out 😹
If ya noticed, the story structure of this show is Breaking Bad meets The Sopranos in Gotham City. This show is top 5, top 5, top 5!!!
Every word of Penguin is legit, fuck Batman Penguin is my hero now
Now it makes sense why Gotham villains be having goons 😂 Penguin manipulated you with you knowing he’s a manipulator
@@jaeloc1217 I actually don't think his convo with Vic was pure manipulation. I think he was genuinely hurt and doesn't understand Vic's perspective
lol Penguin is NOT at "hero" AT ALL, he's a full blown villain and Batman is NOT someone you should "f" at AT ALL. He's the hero ultimately.
@@jaeloc1217 who cares if I'm being manipulated by true words the facts, not lying shits
@@MrFredstt he was hurt out of ego, remember he wants to be remembered like the gangster who helped people. Victor wanting to get away breaks that illusion that he’s the gangster that people respect
Tbf, the reason why Penguin should've left Sofia behind is because she probably found out about his dealings with Maroni family.
Just one thing: Victor's a grown ass man, not some innocent baby that needs protection.
Thank you.
The excitement in Penguin's voice saying... "we in it now, Vic. we in it." shows have much he needed a guy who'd go through hell for him. shows so F*cking good, and it's only 3 episodes in
9:55 😂😂😂😂😂😂
21:06 the crazy part is that Vic really could have left at any point.
•When Oswald was caught
•When he was left alone
•left alone in the car
Etc
The only way they can make the Penguin hateable before The Batman 2 is to have him kill Vic by the end of the show (pls don't do that)
Im guessing he left sofia cuz he got exposed right there while vic was on his way
The penguin is such a complex character. I beleive that he really does care about Victor in a twisted way. There is no manipulation here
Colin Farrel is acting is ass off 🐐 🐐
I think he totally meant what he said to Vic and was really sad when he left, but, at the same time, when push comes to shove he will abandon, throw him under the bus, or whack him if he feels he has to.
W reaction, the analysis at the end was spot on. I had the same talk with myself after I watched this ep
This show's got a way of being real and it hurts man. Penguin's wrong, but he makes sense even as we know he's manipulating Vic. Vic's feeling boxed in and like there's no good choice. I just hope he makes it out somehow by the end of the season. Reminds me of Nacho Varga might've kinda been early from BCS.
So happy to be back watching you guys, you've been reacting to a lot of things i haven't watched yet, and I dont wanna be spoiled. You guys are probably my favorite react content when it comes to shows and movies. And btw Dune 2 when?
It's on patreon, they watched it some months back.
@@TheNoviceOAO Oh damn they never wanted to upload it to TH-cam.
Pretty sure the reason Oz ditched her so fast afterwards is because while they were being held at gunpoint the Maroni woman was revealing Oz as a double agent so sofias trust was already destroyed and that’s why Oz decided to leave her. You can see them talking in the scene where Vic is pulling up and realizing what’s happening, we’re prob gonna see what happens next episode
Riddler said all that was for the poor people in the Gotham city, and we see the result of it. This writing is just, so good.
Victor is so real
18:58 Sheera said "she definitely concerned but she got thang on her too"
Y’all not thinking about it.. if the other mob family showed up talking to Oz like they working together.. he can’t save Sophia now it’s too late his cover was blown being a double agent. But now I’m predicting Sophia and this other woman might work together since they both getting played by Oz
I'm so glad yall were able to pick up on ozz's manipulation on victor. It seems that cause ozz is charismatic that some people forget that Vic has an actual honest to God reason to think he's being held hostage.... Because he was legit held at gunpoint. All this to say that it isn't like he doesn't care about Vic, he does, but he also doesn't let him forget that he's a merciless gangster that will kill people he shook hands with 5 secs ago if it gets him to the top
@@Nothimx11yes. At the end, but before that. He had no way of knowing because he was held at gunpoint.
@@Nothimx11 he didn’t leave at the end because he’s now making the choice to stay. So anything that happens after this will be on him. BEFORE this though he thought he was an hostage…it’s pretty simple.
I think Oz genuinely cares for Vic in his own way, but not enough to spare his life if it meant giving up being a kingpin. His loyalty to Vic is shakey, more than he has for most, but he’s a villain at the end of the day.
It demonstrates how easily ppl get manipulated by charismatic ppl with power. That's how most tyrants and dictators come to power. Say some nice words and the average person will fall for it. I definitely don't think he cares about Vic, at least not in the way you are suggesting. Oz wants to be revered like that gangster he spoke about. That's how he sees Vic, someone to revere him and so he hates to lose that. He hasn't even told Vic that his friend is dead. The one Vics gf asked about. She said he went missing the same time Vic did....that's the kid Sofia killed when Oz said he was lying about seeing Oz at the club when her brother died. Vic saw the missing persons poster last episode and Oz hushed him away quickly. Levels of manipulation.
@@TheKawaiikari If he sells him out or not depends on if he thinks of Vic as family by the end of the season. He doesn't fuck over family.
Oz left Sofia because she probably already knows everything. They talking about something when Vic show up.
You're so talented, don't stop creating content!
Thank you
25:25 I've never been more ashamed of Shera!
27:00 ROSHI!!!! EXCELLENT OBSERVATIN
30:00 Shera!!!!!! Stop!
The writing in this show...*chefs kiss*
Vic was way too smooth with the cop he's already learning
I don't think Oz actually knew that Vic would come back. They showed him sitting at the bar hurt for a reason. He felt alone again. He was hurt because he thought Vic was there because he wanted to be. He sees himself in Vic and it feels like when he speaks to him he's speaking to his younger self.
You know the scene powerful when Lupa get to crying 😭
This was a great way to tie in the Riddler stuff from The Batman movie - peak television
Give Cristin Milioti her Emmy. Now!
Yea I would have been Vic in this situation, I didn’t even realize Oz was manipulating him until they said that and I was wondering why they were crying. I genuinely thought that Oz was just looking out for him and was actually buddies with him
Penguin did not know he'd be back. He was for real hurt, manipulative as he is. Don't forget the opening scene, he told us his dream - he wants to be the "goog" gangster.
Bro the vid of the guy crying is literally my boy this is insane 🤣🤣
Hope you guys are staying safe during this hurricane! Peace!
Penguin: Let me show you how to trust me
*Immediately does the complete opposite*
The bombs and the flood is like the blip for the batman
great fuckin reaction! the restaurant and club scene is insane . . 10/10 show.
Lowkey might be the best episode so far
Oz is so well written. Like, you KNOW he’s an irredeemable POS but he still has moments where I’m like “dude…”
I don’t understand how Riddler does that without getting the firing squad lmao
This show is incredible so far.
On one spectrum you got homelander and on the other you got Oz. Both wish to be loved even if it means hurting those around him.
Oz will talk his way out of it. He is him.