ICE cars are full of software as well. One major problem is many managers think writing solid working software is easy. It is not. Quite the opposite. Managers also think writing software is cheap. It is not. Outsourcing can get you software faster but it will probably not work properly or be outright dangerous. The solution is to write software in house and spend the money necessary without rushing.
We created this problem back in the 80s when we all decided to move manufacturing offshore to cheap manufacturing markets. It would take 40 years and major price increases to dig the Chinese out of the manufacturing market now. Polestar is Chinese (as is its parent Volvo) both of which are owned by Geely. It's not really surprising that they are in Joint Ventures with Chinese companies. Rivian can join Tesla in your US based software designers (and in fact VW are opening a JV with Rivian) of course noting that they boosted their position it by taking on people Elon fired in 2022. So, not to worry, they will all catch up eventually (if they survive long enough) by taking on people for said loonies mass firings. Alternatively, they can decide to make unconnected vehicles at the cheap end of the market. Just because its an EV doesn't mean it has to have a massive screen, we could go down the Dacia Spring route and just sell small cheap and useful.
Hi Dave, greetings from Oxford. GM made the EV1 back in the 1990s. You don’t actually need cutting edge software to make an EV, you do need high current inverter electronics and a charging management system. This can be achieved with legacy autos existing technologies. Legacy auto could make compelling EVs without advanced software. However their issue is that Tesla and Chinese EV makers have raised consumer expectations with their advanced software and over the air updates.
True for lead acid batteries, they are simple to charge and discharge but that is about it, the standards have been leveled up a lot since the 1990s There are a lot of things in EVs that need to be monitored and adjusted all the time to make it perform optimally and the UI is now at a whole different level, and on top of that everything needs to support OTA, it is not unique to EVs
It isn't as simple as you make out. The EV1 was a glorified milk-float in comparison! Legacy autos existing technologies (and their hundreds of suppliers) are why they can't make money on an EV and they can't do over-the-air updates. Expectations have been raised, and there's no going back. When and if Tesla release FSD, the Chinese will be the only people who have shown themselves able to compete (although not so much to make money - the Chinese Government heavily susidise the EV sector). On another front, it's looking like the Chinese are going to have problems with labour shortages, and getting competitive CPU chips soon. Tesla seems to be the only car manufacturer that doesn't have existential trouble brewing.
@simon... 100% right. You do NOT "need" a software driven BMS. I should know- i design this sort of stuff. Electronics (hardware) can do it easily. The software is only needed to tell users how much charge is left or how long to charge. And to communicate with other systems.
With greatest respect, this is complete nonsense. Nobody restrained an assembly line operator to a software engineer 😂😂 Fact is that there's been a shortage of software engineers for 20 years. There's a reason why Windows are mostly coded in India. ABB are developing huge parts of their SW in Bangalore etc etc etc. This tech has happened so quickly that a country like Germany cannot keep up, they have 1m SW developers. China has 7m and India 5m. If security is of concern then EVs are nothing to worry about compared to our phones and laptops... Virtually all of them are built in China 😢
@@ianyorke2617 cool. Although personally I don't have a big problem with Chinese products. People have quickly forgotten what western companies have done: Cambridge analytics Facebook Twitter/X Truth social Awful tecords. Far more dangerous than anything China has done.
The software problem is actually a hardware problem. How do you write software for 100's of different components produced by 100's of different companies all with their own software systems. This is why Tesla software is so good, all their components are produced in house and are integrated from the start.
You integrate the modem into the suppliers system and ensure the control bus together with associated controllers are built by the car company. Then you implement a standard protocol interface. Car manufacturers really need to speak to the rail industry.
@@rogerphelps9939 That's my point, the legacy auto industry don't have a "standardized" supply chain, every car sub-system has it's own unique proprietary system which the auto manufacture has little control over. Sure you can slap a i-pad in a car and call it an infotainment system, but what do you do when your ABS supplier changes the BIOS on their module. You can spout a couple of programming buzz words but that's not going to solve a problem that's basically systemic.
@@mcarpenter2917 Exactly. The BIG problem is lack of standards for car computer systems & interfaces between components. If they could bang their heads together and build out those standard interfaces across the industry (i.e. an Internet of vehicle soft/firmware standards) they'd be able to source reliable software driven components from a variety of manufacturers based off a common standard spec. Much like the "PC Compatible" industry enabled the rapid spread of computers in the 80's & 90's (& eventually the creation of linux).
The biggest issue isn't where the software is from, it's the people who think it's an issue. We have all long since given up control of data to companies. I don't really think that there is someone in china watching my cars video footage or are bothered by where I go. (If they were the satnav would work better) I can go out to my bike & take the tank off sure enough there are parts made in Japan, China & Sweden on a 24 year old Harley Davidson, who cares if it works.
Some cultures do not want to disappoint. They will say critical software will be ready in time until the day before delivery and then admit it is many months away. Been there, seen it, laughed at the brain dead managers who believed the twaddle they were being told.
Better start rethinking I'm afraid! Anyone with a DJI drone has their footage backed up to Chinese government Hard drives, in the background each night!
@computerbob06 not everyone has a toy drone though and just how interesting is the video of 5 yards of tarmac and trees from the average car. It would need 3 million plus staff to watch the footage from EVs currently on UK roads. There might be something of use intelligence wise on the occasional road but anyone with a mobile phone, Sat nav or who drives an EV have found the signal is jammed near them already. I've had no phone for an hour this morning because I live 6 miles from a tank range. Occasionally they jam signals in the wrong direction while they are playing soldiers.
The main issue with vehicle software that has OTA updates has to be the fact that manufacturers can hold customers to ransom by locking both hardware and software features behind a paywall. It feels like the US are just using this an excuse to further their protectionist approach; US manufacturers don't want Chinese imports because it undercuts their domestic market.
What a load of twaddle. You don't need an ev to record everything everywhere. We do it all the time on our mobile phones and publish the content for all to see. Non Chinese cars also record every GPS movement (as do our phones), Tesla makes a point of recording everything.
Kind if agree with you Dave sometimes these bright ideas people at government level don't think it through. It takes time to build capability and I'm some areas we are 5 to 19 years adrift of Chinese EV manufacturers. Same with the EV mandate the pace of battery development means your shiny new EV might be 2nd best within a couple of years hence weak residuals for 2nd tier cars. The time and technology challenge means that 2030 is still too soon to ban IC cars especially at the cheaper end.
This is something I certainly wasn't expecting... So far as I can see, this is the most intelligent, analytical, insightful, thoughtful, EV-focussed channel, on YT. Presuming there's more to you than meets the eye, "Dave". Btw, as I'm sure you realise, there are an awful lot of students, etc, from the aforementioned part of the world, in the UK doing their thing, so expect a few to pop up in the comments, saying this is all baloney.
Do all these car actually connect to the net and send that huge amount of video data back to china, it be pretty easy to test. Also it should be easy to prevent, unless cars are running vpn you could ensure that cars can only access local servers in home country, this would likly be the easy option/mandate gov should past. Ok it might require a small software update and each company would have to have local servers to deal and ship updates from, but a bit more work but not much
Embedded software programmers is what everyone needs (the sort that goes into a car radio or remote control). Not operating systems software engineers (like windows, ios, linux etc). But the beauty "mess up", is that in the average garage, the mechanics know how to fix mechanical cars. Fixing an EV is exactly like fixing a laptop or phone. Totally different situation. And if you disagree, you don't understand the problem. Fixing EVs is going to become VERY expensive long term.
This isn't an EV issue, it's a software driven car issue. New ICE cars are just as big of an issue as EVs. This has been happening for some time. For years now, whenever I took my car into a garage with a problem, the mechanic plugged in a diagnostic tool, which told them what the issue was. Probably 80% of the time it was correct. The mechanic (most of the time) replaced what they were told to replace, and most of the time, that cured the problem. This is just the next step. More complicated, more difficult to diagnose, more complex to fix, so the fix will be to swap out components until the problem disappears.
Apple missed the mark here. They could have cornered the market if they had developed their “Apple Car” software as a generalized solution. Now the market desperately needs software of this kind.
I remember when the mad Tories particularity Osborne were desperate to get the Chinese involved in critical nuclear power and communications projects. Absolutely bonkers!
That would have been a disaster... About 15 years ago I worked with the Chinese building six gas/oil fired power stations in Saudi Arabia - the Chinese main contractors were always 'right' even when they were blatantly wrong! which led to several buildings have to be re-built and the turbines being delivered far to early such they had to be returned to Germany for cleaning/overhaul before they had even been installed.
Think that is a problem? It's not just your smartphones or EVs. Look at ownership of UK Power Networks (UKPN), the energy distributor supplying (as a monopoly) the UK 's South East, London and East Anglia. UKPN is owned by Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings (40%), Power Assets Holdings (40%), and The Li Ka Shing Foundation (20%) . These entities are part of the Cheung Kong Group, a conglomerate based in Hong Kong, controlled by the billionaire Li Ka-shing. My concern is that power to London is controlled from China. That is, actors in China own and _potentially_ can turn off the whole of London, Kent, Norfolk and Suffolk. And, long known to HMG and the UK power industry. Ho ho ho... Of course it would never happen! Crossed fingers....
Dave, Japanese industry leaders, including Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Subaru, Panasonic, and seven others, have already teamed up to develop advanced vehicle software for the next generation cars.
Why does aa EV need complex software compared to ICE. It does not. A EV should a lot simpler, has less to control. Simple motor, compared to a complex engine. Someone is taking the micky here. As to China watching us... I'm far more worried (Read, could not careless really) about US with Apple, Google & Microsoft. 3 biggest data miners going along with Amazon given their software arm used by many companies.
I think there is going to have to be regulations on how Cars (and other critical systems) connect to the internet, a gateway of some sort and maybe not at all while moving, navigation and entertainment will have to be provided totally separately and unable to affect car management systems
I lost count of the number of incorrect or inaccurate statements made during this video. Unfortunately Dave doesn’t understand enough about this area to be able to make informed comment. Sorry Dave but not your best work this time.
We got a VW caddy van for work. The software in that is atrocious. Nothing works. Always getting constant updates. So I wouldn’t recommend VW. We are changing our car this year on mobility. But the issues that we have with the van has put us off VW. Unfortunately they don’t do Tesla on mobility yet. But the best car we test drove was the Peugeot e3008.
Sorry, I'm missing something here. Since when, ever, has China been a world leader in electronics or software? They make stuff, they don't design stuff.
OTA (over the air ) updates can be weaponised at any time CCP can theoretically cause havoc whenever they want if we insist on using Chinese made OTA modules Xi Jinping just bricked my car lol
I'm sure it's been tried but China and USA and Europe do seem to have some pretty switched on programmers so I suspect they would be detected. Makes you wonder what the Defence ministry is actually scared of.
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About 90% of all the products on the market have Chinese components in part or all of the product produced.
ICE cars are full of software as well. One major problem is many managers think writing solid working software is easy. It is not. Quite the opposite. Managers also think writing software is cheap. It is not. Outsourcing can get you software faster but it will probably not work properly or be outright dangerous. The solution is to write software in house and spend the money necessary without rushing.
We created this problem back in the 80s when we all decided to move manufacturing offshore to cheap manufacturing markets. It would take 40 years and major price increases to dig the Chinese out of the manufacturing market now.
Polestar is Chinese (as is its parent Volvo) both of which are owned by Geely. It's not really surprising that they are in Joint Ventures with Chinese companies.
Rivian can join Tesla in your US based software designers (and in fact VW are opening a JV with Rivian) of course noting that they boosted their position it by taking on people Elon fired in 2022.
So, not to worry, they will all catch up eventually (if they survive long enough) by taking on people for said loonies mass firings.
Alternatively, they can decide to make unconnected vehicles at the cheap end of the market. Just because its an EV doesn't mean it has to have a massive screen, we could go down the Dacia Spring route and just sell small cheap and useful.
Hi Dave, greetings from Oxford. GM made the EV1 back in the 1990s. You don’t actually need cutting edge software to make an EV, you do need high current inverter electronics and a charging management system. This can be achieved with legacy autos existing technologies. Legacy auto could make compelling EVs without advanced software. However their issue is that Tesla and Chinese EV makers have raised consumer expectations with their advanced software and over the air updates.
True for lead acid batteries, they are simple to charge and discharge but that is about it, the standards have been leveled up a lot since the 1990s
There are a lot of things in EVs that need to be monitored and adjusted all the time to make it perform optimally and the UI is now at a whole different level, and on top of that everything needs to support OTA, it is not unique to EVs
It isn't as simple as you make out. The EV1 was a glorified milk-float in comparison!
Legacy autos existing technologies (and their hundreds of suppliers) are why they can't make money on an EV and they can't do over-the-air updates. Expectations have been raised, and there's no going back. When and if Tesla release FSD, the Chinese will be the only people who have shown themselves able to compete (although not so much to make money - the Chinese Government heavily susidise the EV sector).
On another front, it's looking like the Chinese are going to have problems with labour shortages, and getting competitive CPU chips soon.
Tesla seems to be the only car manufacturer that doesn't have existential trouble brewing.
@simon... 100% right.
You do NOT "need" a software driven BMS. I should know- i design this sort of stuff. Electronics (hardware) can do it easily.
The software is only needed to tell users how much charge is left or how long to charge. And to communicate with other systems.
Any EV maker worth its salt does OTA updates. Nothing special.
And at a cheaper price.
With greatest respect, this is complete nonsense. Nobody restrained an assembly line operator to a software engineer 😂😂
Fact is that there's been a shortage of software engineers for 20 years.
There's a reason why Windows are mostly coded in India. ABB are developing huge parts of their SW in Bangalore etc etc etc.
This tech has happened so quickly that a country like Germany cannot keep up, they have 1m SW developers. China has 7m and India 5m.
If security is of concern then EVs are nothing to worry about compared to our phones and laptops...
Virtually all of them are built in China 😢
You need to buy Samsung then. They closed their Chinese factories in 2019.
@@ianyorke2617 cool. Although personally I don't have a big problem with Chinese products. People have quickly forgotten what western companies have done:
Cambridge analytics
Facebook
Twitter/X
Truth social
Awful tecords. Far more dangerous than anything China has done.
The software problem is actually a hardware problem. How do you write software for 100's of different components produced by 100's of different companies all with their own software systems. This is why Tesla software is so good, all their components are produced in house and are integrated from the start.
You integrate the modem into the suppliers system and ensure the control bus together with associated controllers are built by the car company. Then you implement a standard protocol interface. Car manufacturers really need to speak to the rail industry.
Mobile phone and computer manufacturers do it all the time, CPUs are created by multiple companies as well as memory and various other components
Very simple. You use standardised operating systems and object orientated design.
@@rogerphelps9939 That's my point, the legacy auto industry don't have a "standardized" supply chain, every car sub-system has it's own unique proprietary system which the auto manufacture has little control over. Sure you can slap a i-pad in a car and call it an infotainment system, but what do you do when your ABS supplier changes the BIOS on their module. You can spout a couple of programming buzz words but that's not going to solve a problem that's basically systemic.
@@mcarpenter2917 Exactly. The BIG problem is lack of standards for car computer systems & interfaces between components. If they could bang their heads together and build out those standard interfaces across the industry (i.e. an Internet of vehicle soft/firmware standards) they'd be able to source reliable software driven components from a variety of manufacturers based off a common standard spec. Much like the "PC Compatible" industry enabled the rapid spread of computers in the 80's & 90's (& eventually the creation of linux).
The biggest issue isn't where the software is from, it's the people who think it's an issue. We have all long since given up control of data to companies. I don't really think that there is someone in china watching my cars video footage or are bothered by where I go. (If they were the satnav would work better) I can go out to my bike & take the tank off sure enough there are parts made in Japan, China & Sweden on a 24 year old Harley Davidson, who cares if it works.
Some cultures do not want to disappoint. They will say critical software will be ready in time until the day before delivery and then admit it is many months away. Been there, seen it, laughed at the brain dead managers who believed the twaddle they were being told.
Better start rethinking I'm afraid! Anyone with a DJI drone has their footage backed up to Chinese government Hard drives, in the background each night!
@computerbob06 not everyone has a toy drone though and just how interesting is the video of 5 yards of tarmac and trees from the average car. It would need 3 million plus staff to watch the footage from EVs currently on UK roads. There might be something of use intelligence wise on the occasional road but anyone with a mobile phone, Sat nav or who drives an EV have found the signal is jammed near them already.
I've had no phone for an hour this morning because I live 6 miles from a tank range. Occasionally they jam signals in the wrong direction while they are playing soldiers.
The main issue with vehicle software that has OTA updates has to be the fact that manufacturers can hold customers to ransom by locking both hardware and software features behind a paywall.
It feels like the US are just using this an excuse to further their protectionist approach; US manufacturers don't want Chinese imports because it undercuts their domestic market.
What a load of twaddle. You don't need an ev to record everything everywhere. We do it all the time on our mobile phones and publish the content for all to see. Non Chinese cars also record every GPS movement (as do our phones), Tesla makes a point of recording everything.
It’d be nice if you provided sources for your stories. I’ve not seen any such reports myself and without source it looks like click bait.
Polestar/ Volvo are chinese owned. Just like MG. Buy the name n most people will still think it comes from the original country!
Murphys second law,”When you have eliminated all sources where things can go wrong,they will still go wrong “.
Who is making money from all these tariffs?
Mk1 mg5 doesn’t have an app or over the air updates. Plug it in at a service if needed.
Kind if agree with you Dave sometimes these bright ideas people at government level don't think it through. It takes time to build capability and I'm some areas we are 5 to 19 years adrift of Chinese EV manufacturers.
Same with the EV mandate the pace of battery development means your shiny new EV might be 2nd best within a couple of years hence weak residuals for 2nd tier cars.
The time and technology challenge means that 2030 is still too soon to ban IC cars especially at the cheaper end.
This is something I certainly wasn't expecting... So far as I can see, this is the most intelligent, analytical, insightful, thoughtful, EV-focussed channel, on YT. Presuming there's more to you than meets the eye, "Dave". Btw, as I'm sure you realise, there are an awful lot of students, etc, from the aforementioned part of the world, in the UK doing their thing, so expect a few to pop up in the comments, saying this is all baloney.
You've lost ALL credibility with me. I'll get my EV information from more rational sources, thanks
Thruth hurts.Good bye and Good riddance .!!.😂
Do all these car actually connect to the net and send that huge amount of video data back to china, it be pretty easy to test. Also it should be easy to prevent, unless cars are running vpn you could ensure that cars can only access local servers in home country, this would likly be the easy option/mandate gov should past. Ok it might require a small software update and each company would have to have local servers to deal and ship updates from, but a bit more work but not much
Embedded software programmers is what everyone needs (the sort that goes into a car radio or remote control).
Not operating systems software engineers (like windows, ios, linux etc).
But the beauty "mess up", is that in the average garage, the mechanics know how to fix mechanical cars. Fixing an EV is exactly like fixing a laptop or phone. Totally different situation.
And if you disagree, you don't understand the problem.
Fixing EVs is going to become VERY expensive long term.
This isn't an EV issue, it's a software driven car issue. New ICE cars are just as big of an issue as EVs. This has been happening for some time. For years now, whenever I took my car into a garage with a problem, the mechanic plugged in a diagnostic tool, which told them what the issue was. Probably 80% of the time it was correct. The mechanic (most of the time) replaced what they were told to replace, and most of the time, that cured the problem. This is just the next step. More complicated, more difficult to diagnose, more complex to fix, so the fix will be to swap out components until the problem disappears.
Surely there's an opportunity for accreditation or securing data from vehicles in the USA 😢to prevent it being passed over the wider Web.
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Apple missed the mark here. They could have cornered the market if they had developed their “Apple Car” software as a generalized solution. Now the market desperately needs software of this kind.
You clearly dont understand software do you ?
😂
I remember when the mad Tories particularity Osborne were desperate to get the Chinese involved in critical nuclear power and communications projects. Absolutely bonkers!
That would have been a disaster... About 15 years ago I worked with the Chinese building six gas/oil fired power stations in Saudi Arabia - the Chinese main contractors were always 'right' even when they were blatantly wrong! which led to several buildings have to be re-built and the turbines being delivered far to early such they had to be returned to Germany for cleaning/overhaul before they had even been installed.
Think that is a problem? It's not just your smartphones or EVs. Look at ownership of UK Power Networks (UKPN), the energy distributor supplying (as a monopoly) the UK 's South East, London and East Anglia.
UKPN is owned by Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings (40%), Power Assets Holdings (40%), and The Li Ka Shing Foundation (20%) . These entities are part of the Cheung Kong Group, a conglomerate based in Hong Kong, controlled by the billionaire Li Ka-shing.
My concern is that power to London is controlled from China. That is, actors in China own and _potentially_ can turn off the whole of London, Kent, Norfolk and Suffolk. And, long known to HMG and the UK power industry. Ho ho ho...
Of course it would never happen! Crossed fingers....
And that is why a government cannot privatize critical infrastructure.
Dave, Japanese industry leaders, including Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Subaru, Panasonic, and seven others, have already teamed up to develop advanced vehicle software for the next generation cars.
Who is more likely to sell your data or throw a temper tantrum. Should be more concerned owning a car that musk has any control over.
Update: Sod's Law states "Murphy was an optimist"
On dear!
The anti-EV Luddites will have a field-day with this! :(
It affects most ICE as well.
@@crm114. You think that will stop them?
Hope somebody at the Home Office is watching this . . .
Nah, they're not connected to the real world... sadly. I'd love to know who advises governments these days, as they're really being misled.
Why does aa EV need complex software compared to ICE. It does not. A EV should a lot simpler, has less to control. Simple motor, compared to a complex engine. Someone is taking the micky here. As to China watching us... I'm far more worried (Read, could not careless really) about US with Apple, Google & Microsoft. 3 biggest data miners going along with Amazon given their software arm used by many companies.
Hyundai and Kia do not use Chinese software or components in their cars
I think there is going to have to be regulations on how Cars (and other critical systems) connect to the internet, a gateway of some sort and maybe not at all while moving, navigation and entertainment will have to be provided totally separately and unable to affect car management systems
Sorry but this story is just total bollox.
Far easier to just track you through your phone if anyone was interested (which they aren't)
It's not about tracking you, it's about the camera data which is being collected automatically potentially being shipped back to undesirable parties.
@@ronnielloyd4676 you could get most of that data from Google street view. Stop being paranoid
@@ronnielloyd4676... Just like all Tesla cars
I lost count of the number of incorrect or inaccurate statements made during this video. Unfortunately Dave doesn’t understand enough about this area to be able to make informed comment. Sorry Dave but not your best work this time.
We got a VW caddy van for work. The software in that is atrocious. Nothing works. Always getting constant updates. So I wouldn’t recommend VW.
We are changing our car this year on mobility. But the issues that we have with the van has put us off VW.
Unfortunately they don’t do Tesla on mobility yet.
But the best car we test drove was the Peugeot e3008.
The irony is that a fair number of Chinese companies seem to be using Google OS.
Sometimes Dave takes hyperbole to hyperbolic levels.
Sorry, I'm missing something here. Since when, ever, has China been a world leader in electronics or software? They make stuff, they don't design stuff.
Not any more
No H pronounced in Whaa whey :-) = Huawei
Well just get Tesla EV’s?
Cheers Dave
So are you saying Google Automotive is Chinese or contains Chinese software? Or did you just forget about it?
Is Google Automotive a full stack OS, or is it just running on top of a base OS that is provided by the car manufacturer?
@@ronnielloyd4676 It appears to be full stack
Unashamedly cluckbaity title.........
nothing new there
You couldn’t make this up if you tried.
Good job Renault and Polestar use Google as their operating systems.
I guess it's a big opportunity for them.
Google a company that was funded by the CIA :-) nothing to fear there.
What about Nissan?
So America is banning android phones to?
Why?
@@colinnich Chinese software
Sounds like now would be a good time to but TESLA SHARES 😮
OTA (over the air ) updates can be weaponised at any time
CCP can theoretically cause havoc whenever they want if we insist on using Chinese made OTA modules
Xi Jinping just bricked my car lol
Tesla runs on their own os, just like apple.
BYD also runs its own in-house DiLink software. Admittedly a Chinese company, but not state-owned as far as I can tell.
Perhaps the title should change to: '.......most cars, except Tesla, banned'
Great video
Morning mate
I don't know what's worse entrusting my data to the Chinese or Musk, auto manufacturers would be wise to speak to the likes of Apple
Huawei my dad has one of them phones
Waiting for this to go open source.
Ahh so Chinese Dave.
What about all those Chinese made Model 3's?
Are you sure Dave, that there's nothing written onto them in them in the background?
I'm sure it's been tried but China and USA and Europe do seem to have some pretty switched on programmers so I suspect they would be detected. Makes you wonder what the Defence ministry is actually scared of.
Nah. I like this channel but this is just hype for clicks.