In virtue of what could god not actualize the world where the creatures would always freely choose the good? I still am not grasping that. I really enjoyed this video! Thanks Danny!
Hitchens said it best: "we have free will because of course, the boss insists upon it." This is kind of interesting because.. of 2 reasons. One is that it seems absurd to say that free will is something that can be granted, or imbued, or given, to agents, because the agents given it had no choice at all in whether they obtained it in the first place. So that's one reason why what hitchens said above is interesting. The second reason is because, the theist could say, yeah i agree, its absurd that an agent can be given free will, or the libertarian version of it, and that's why thats not a possible or rather "feasible" world that god coukd have created. A world where everyone freely chooses to do the good all of the time. So a theist could use this to defend against Mackie's possible world where all agent freely choose the good, but it also seems to undermine the very idea that god could grant libertarian free will in the first place. And Oppy talked about this at around the 30 minute mark, very briefly, in his own words. What do you think danny? I know this video is old, but i only recently discovered your channel and Doc Oppy
Oppy has very high standards for a successful argument. As I understand Oppy, for an argument to be successful it has to be able to persuade all reasonable people. Since there are many reasonable theists that aren't persuaded by the LPoE, it's not successful.
This is a Darth Dawkins. Graham Oppy is mistaken about my having two separate conversations with him. He also was mistaken That I discussed free will and determinism with him. That never happened. What did occur was a brief question and interaction about his rationale for Atheism and that was it. So he must be confusing me with some other person he interacted with online
What's the argument for your shitty biconditional statement that 'there is intelligibility iff the Christian god exists'? Would like to see it formalized
You’re the one that makes the claim about “debating highly educated atheist philosophers” Thanks for admitting that all that really happened is they slapped down your word salad. You’re a nameless faceless troll peddling your half ass understanding of philosophy in a dusty corner of the interwebs. You’re a joke.
Listening to Dr. Oppy making me realize that I have alot of reading to do..
I would hinestly love a talk between you and Scott Clifton
Fantastic. Graham Oppy! The Australian dude. Well done Danny.
Another great interview. Graham laid out the molinist view quite charitably.
Always love to see Dr. Graham Oppy on. Are you taking other guest recommendations?
Feel free to suggest anyone!
@@DannyPhilTalk Will send some DMs on Twitter.
@@DannyPhilTalk We want Darth!
@@handstandish said no one ever
@@New_Essay_6416 Thats not true. Mediaeval circuses would want him.
In virtue of what could god not actualize the world where the creatures would always freely choose the good? I still am not grasping that.
I really enjoyed this video! Thanks Danny!
I still don't either.
Evil in the world is necessary for a God of justice and mercy. How can there be no evil when God is the Savior of sinners?
@@JohnCLee-hi4xc could God be perfectly just and perfectly merciful without creating?
What do you think of LPOE as pointing out common inconsistencies in many theists rather than an inconsistency between concepts?
Hitchens said it best: "we have free will because of course, the boss insists upon it." This is kind of interesting because.. of 2 reasons. One is that it seems absurd to say that free will is something that can be granted, or imbued, or given, to agents, because the agents given it had no choice at all in whether they obtained it in the first place. So that's one reason why what hitchens said above is interesting. The second reason is because, the theist could say, yeah i agree, its absurd that an agent can be given free will, or the libertarian version of it, and that's why thats not a possible or rather "feasible" world that god coukd have created. A world where everyone freely chooses to do the good all of the time. So a theist could use this to defend against Mackie's possible world where all agent freely choose the good, but it also seems to undermine the very idea that god could grant libertarian free will in the first place. And Oppy talked about this at around the 30 minute mark, very briefly, in his own words.
What do you think danny? I know this video is old, but i only recently discovered your channel and Doc Oppy
Invite joe from majesty of reason
I have a question for doctor Oppy, how old are you .?….please him being a philosopher please send this question to him just like that.
So Oppy says LPOE isnt successful but maybe in the future, hold out hope guys! Keep the dream alive.
The only problem is an emotional one for the godless.
Oppy is totally wrong about this. The LPOE works, maybe just not under the forms that it has been presented in academia
Oppy has very high standards for a successful argument. As I understand Oppy, for an argument to be successful it has to be able to persuade all reasonable people. Since there are many reasonable theists that aren't persuaded by the LPoE, it's not successful.
Hard to have a problem of evil when it turns out those things ought be done to satisfy gods ends.
This is a Darth Dawkins. Graham Oppy is mistaken about my having two separate conversations with him. He also was mistaken That I discussed free will and determinism with him. That never happened. What did occur was a brief question and interaction about his rationale for Atheism and that was it. So he must be confusing me with some other person he interacted with online
What's the argument for your shitty biconditional statement that 'there is intelligibility iff the Christian god exists'?
Would like to see it formalized
This is a Darth Dawkins.
this isn't Darth Dawkins. Darth Dawkins doesn't have a TH-cam channel.
You’re the one that makes the claim about “debating highly educated atheist philosophers”
Thanks for admitting that all that really happened is they slapped down your word salad.
You’re a nameless faceless troll peddling your half ass understanding of philosophy in a dusty corner of the interwebs. You’re a joke.
I remember that! He said the presup “gotcha” question was unintelligible and dipped when it was repeated. His time management skills are top shelf.