MY MAN. Now that I'm hearing it, I can hear the voice hitting perfectly. Had that low tone thinking Dom, but you nailed it. My bad!! Absolutely Johnny and then Jesse screaming no no no no no! My apologies Family...didn't mean to disrespect the best!
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda Civics with Spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three T-66 turbos with NOS, and a Motec exhaust system.
@robbiecdiscgolf, overall a good analogy to help me with distance for sure!! But the facts are that a spoon engine is hi reving and high compressioned. Turbo would not go well with the engine set up. 🤓
absolutely love your videos Robbie, they are fantastic. Went through and practiced this today and I went from throwing 6-7speeds 70-80metres with a run up. To literally the same discs at standstill going 100m -110metres.
These are advanced (ball) golf concepts. So glad you mentioned this. When I was struggling with driver, I watched a long hitting spanish dp world tour player explain this. With driver, he said let the club almost fall from the top and then in the last 1.5 feet before impact really step on it. This way, you maintain tempo and still really get that snap without "pulling " on the downswing. Really good stuff
Just seeing how much less effort goes into the “later acceleration” throws makes it look so much smoother and less painful. Ive been trying to incorporate some of your drills into my throws and they have been immensely helpful. I tried the pinch drill today from another of your videos. Cut short because my son got tired of throwing discs and wanted to go on the playground… but in that short period of time doing just one finger pinch, I could feel a huge difference. Getting that snap and throwing the disc perfectly. Combining that with this, I feel it will help my game tremendously.
Hey Robbie, we played together a couple years ago at the “compound” tournament. I’m not sure if you remember, but I just wanted to say that this is content you expect to receive behind a paywall. Excellent connection with head placement, acceleration, and shoulder rotation. I will definitely apply this check down next time I’m out at the course! Great work!
Wow, Yeah, very informative and unlike other videos I’ve seen explaining the elusive “power pocket” and how to access it! I’ve been trying to tweak my throw since all the power pocket videos have come out, and this is the only one that actually explains clearly what is probably the most important part of the whole concept.. I always tried accelerating from the reach back and I usually failed due to rounding, but this seems to be the answer I needed, well done!
So glad I watched this before going out for a round this evening. Great advice, 300 ft throws with ease and so much closer to being accurate and consistent with these tips in mind. Thanks Robbie C!
Thank you so much for this information. Every beginner video needs updated to include this info. This is an ah ha moment for me. 1 adding juice way early 2 couldn't figure why I've started fly off the end of the tee pad. What you explained with the leaning is what I'm doing. Thanks. Have a great day.
This is a good one. The upside down Y and head position is so key. Now I will add the slower pull-through, but really snap at the end. It makes complete sense as to why it seems so effortless by the pros. Nice 1!❤
Dennis, I'm definitely a "puller" from way back/early and my shoulder reminds me after every round. It would be interesting to show the TechDisc numbers if you start a full speed throw from the curled/power pocket position vs full reachback. One other note ... early rotation traps the disc behind the body. Trust me; I have the video to prove it. Thanks for all you do!
Great Robbie! Very good explanation and I will find it helpful. I've been a personal trainer/sports performance coach (mostly hockey, LAX, and golf) This is new movement patterns for me and being RH hockey shooter I find myself on the other side of my body for back hand throws. The firing of NOS too soon was great. I can now see this in kinesiology terms. On the distant "over reach" reach back and firing too soon the shoulder complex (lats, rombiods, ....) fire and are no longer coiled to potential leaving the triceps (elbow extensors) to fire by themselves with weak support of the shoulder muscles through the power pocket. The what fires first through the rest of the sequence is still confusing. Every other rotational sport fires hips, torso, ....... perhaps abs first to support movement but that's my pilates background. This is for another lesson You are the best and I can't thank you enough.
I am exactly with you on this. I was working on my form on my deck when I realized I was straining myself and too early in in the throw; so more optimally, I should spread out the exertion throughout and especially at the end of the throw
Update: I watched this vid 2 more times then went out after work to go over everything slowly. Then KAPOW!!! I threw a Pixel straighter and farther than ever before. I still have a lot to work on but Robbie C, thank you thank you thank you
Question posed, Good question. Theory proposed, correct. Accelerating at wrong time is most peoples problems. Right time proposed, correct. The pocket is where we want to explode the built energy into the disc. This is why I don't teach the "pull" method, cause your muscles are gassed before you hit the pocket as you try and yank the disc really hard. We have to stay loose and relax till the pocket and then release the built up energy and help the disc.
I feel like you’ve been watching me throw Mr. TH-camMan! I really needed this! I’ve really focused on slowing down my pull through and saving most of my acceleration for the very end and WOW. I have that elusive audible snap on my throws! I haven’t tried for max distance yet but I’ve played a few rounds and overshot a few baskets I normally struggle to reach!
Great video. A couple months ago I was struggling with my form, and I just stopped reaching back. What I mean is, I spent about a week or two where the disc was never behind my left hip (RHBH). Lead to some good throws, and I gradually added reachback back into the throw, with more success than I’d had previously
This video came out when I was doing fieldwork. I tried this and I was getting more spin and distance. Now I need to work on the timing to get my accuracy down.
Hey Robbie! Hope you’ve had a chance to throw the AM Stalker. I’ve recently been cracking open the answer to the ‘what starts the rotation’ question. Tristan Tanner and Aaron Gossage have the keys to the answer. For Goose, it’s when he locks his right knee. This naturally initiates the hip rotation that starts the whip crack. For TT, it’s trying to bring both knees together to achieve the same effect. I definitely feel a difference when I lock my right knee back. The rotation just happens without thought.
Thank you sir. I am a 2 year player. Have struggled with power. Explains why I throw farther on stand still , everything is slowed down standing still. When I walk up it's so much less power . Timing is accelerated . Stand still is laged
So as a rule should your head position be ~ perpendicular to shoulders and follow the disc? I thought I remember a RC video saying to focus on your disc bag to start being placed in back corner of tee box at beginning of steps.
The upper case Y idea is something I've tried to do from the start. In ball golf is your rotation should be around your spine and the spine should not move until the very end of the follow through. I carried that idea over from ball golf to disc golf. That way the disc stays in the same plane throughout the throw. Also the cannon analogy is a bit off. Even though the powder is ignited at the back of the barrel, the force of the explosion continues to accelerate the ball the whole length of the barrel.
Robbie, I spent most of last night laying in bed thinking about this exact issue. Am I not wasting potential by accelerating for a “longer” period? The timing of this vid couldn’t be more spot on.
Can you explain what you meant when showing the power pockets? at 10:30 You explain AB and Wiggins are outside the right pec - is that where they're accelerating from or?
In addition to accelerating at the right time, I also have to focus on keeping my front shoulder strong so I don't collapse the power pocket, while keeping my elbow loose, with strong grip pressure depending on the throw power. It's kind of a lot to think about, but starting to become second nature the more reps I do.
Re: the pros, you can see this in action with the very slow / high FPS video where their forearm muscles become very flexed but not until they are in the deep pocket and want to fling out. Good thought/video :)
Robbie C. Would you please make midrange disc review videos showing new players how they expect that disc will fly when THEY throw it? Same need applies to putters. Most video content shows how mids and putters fly when you throw them super far. I realize this shows the flight of the disc. But new players are not buying a midrange to throw it 300 feet. Can someone show us how each midrange and putterswill fly when we use them at the ranges we bought them? I am not picking on your content, I just think this content that new players need, and I have never seen any address this. Thank you so much for all your helpful videos. I really do love your content.
The rule with the head is “eye on the ball” like a batter, down and perpendicular to your shot. The back shoulder not the front shoulder is the thing that lets your head pull through.
My guess as well is that with late acceleration, you are going to get a better advanced ratio because your spin will increase more than the speed. It is a double win if so!
So it kinda sounds like if you can keep your head above your legs it kinda keeps you from getting into so many issues when coming through? If that makes sense.
My problem with this thought is that when i try it i feel like I'm rounding more than pulling in a straight line. I'll have to get out to a field tomorrow and try it
Intro to a BIG DISTANCE video is a throw at 5.4 mph? Just jking, love what you do, keep it up. Not to offend anyone but when I first watched my form it look like the my entire left side had cerebral palsy ,while I was falling foward attempting to spin..
Ur advice hasnt helped before...but this was gold and not bc of distance. As an mp50 player trying to do better at higher tier events my consistency blows. After doing fieldwork on this and then hitting the course, i feel this could b an aha moment. I normally get a udisc rating between 222 and 237. I just had 2 +245 rounds. Please let this b my new normal bc of u
So you are not accelerating at full speed through a linear motion, you are accelerating from extension to power pocket to create the pivot/whip... Where you are changing to a rotational energy. So you are accelerating you, and the disc, to speed... Getting your body and kinetic chain into the right position, then firing off the disc. Simple.
I am starting to wonder if you are spying on me!! --- I have been working on the net and I have a special overlay on my net for targeting. Anyway, I had been training for a month and I felt like it was awesome and smooth and would just fly >300' - right. So, finally I go out yesterday to my local and test what I can do. I was disappointed. Just barely 300' - most were 240' and up. So, I did improve a bit, 50' or so - but I knew while I was throwing yesterday that my arm was pulling and my hips were not spinning at the right time etc. etc. ad-infinitum/ad-nauseum. Thinking about it later and analyzing what I was doing - I would summarize it as this: - 1. I wanted distance so bad that I used muscle and was arm throwing - in essence totally ignoring all the good work I trained on.... - 2. I actually did what you are explaining in todays video - in that, I had lost most of my power before I could rotate - and when I did rotate it felt weak and insignificant. I am going to test again and this time I will not worry about the distance, but just do the form like I train and see what happens. (This is a "mind" thing - i.e., wanting to throw far and just scraping the form LOL) - I was throwing putters (Aviars) and then my entire bag. Not much of a difference between them (for me) - perhaps 30-50' extra. Clearly not what I expected. As an additional test, I threw from a standstill and hit the same distance as if I ran up. So, I knew something was wrong. Like you - I put a lot of science and analysis into my game/sport .. thing. 🤣
One quick tip for you Robbie, i noticed that you turn your head before hand goes through, try to keep it still, head follows hand, not opposite, im pretty sure the throwing speed increase 5mph more after that. Good video tho! 👊🏻
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Correction on the FF1 quote. That was between Johnny Tran and Jesse during race wars. 😉
Yep! You're a true F&F fan lol
MY MAN. Now that I'm hearing it, I can hear the voice hitting perfectly. Had that low tone thinking Dom, but you nailed it. My bad!! Absolutely Johnny and then Jesse screaming no no no no no! My apologies Family...didn't mean to disrespect the best!
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda Civics with Spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three T-66 turbos with NOS, and a Motec exhaust system.
you set up the nos so that the turbo crams it into the spoon engines and then you break the speed of light and open a portal to Narnia. true story.
@robbiecdiscgolf, overall a good analogy to help me with distance for sure!! But the facts are that a spoon engine is hi reving and high compressioned. Turbo would not go well with the engine set up. 🤓
absolutely love your videos Robbie, they are fantastic. Went through and practiced this today and I went from throwing 6-7speeds 70-80metres with a run up. To literally the same discs at standstill going 100m -110metres.
I Don't Have Friends, I Got Family. Thanks Robbie! Ill try this out Saturday and see what happens!
These are advanced (ball) golf concepts. So glad you mentioned this. When I was struggling with driver, I watched a long hitting spanish dp world tour player explain this.
With driver, he said let the club almost fall from the top and then in the last 1.5 feet before impact really step on it. This way, you maintain tempo and still really get that snap without "pulling " on the downswing. Really good stuff
Just seeing how much less effort goes into the “later acceleration” throws makes it look so much smoother and less painful. Ive been trying to incorporate some of your drills into my throws and they have been immensely helpful. I tried the pinch drill today from another of your videos. Cut short because my son got tired of throwing discs and wanted to go on the playground… but in that short period of time doing just one finger pinch, I could feel a huge difference. Getting that snap and throwing the disc perfectly. Combining that with this, I feel it will help my game tremendously.
Hey Robbie, we played together a couple years ago at the “compound” tournament. I’m not sure if you remember, but I just wanted to say that this is content you expect to receive behind a paywall. Excellent connection with head placement, acceleration, and shoulder rotation. I will definitely apply this check down next time I’m out at the course! Great work!
Wow, Yeah, very informative and unlike other videos I’ve seen explaining the elusive “power pocket” and how to access it!
I’ve been trying to tweak my throw since all the power pocket videos have come out, and this is the only one that actually explains clearly what is probably the most important part of the whole concept.. I always tried accelerating from the reach back and I usually failed due to rounding, but this seems to be the answer I needed, well done!
So glad I watched this before going out for a round this evening. Great advice, 300 ft throws with ease and so much closer to being accurate and consistent with these tips in mind. Thanks Robbie C!
Thanks man! A lot of this made sense! Enjoying your content
Thank you Robbie C your videos are understandable. And you illustrate them well.
Thank you so much for this information. Every beginner video needs updated to include this info. This is an ah ha moment for me. 1 adding juice way early 2 couldn't figure why I've started fly off the end of the tee pad. What you explained with the leaning is what I'm doing. Thanks. Have a great day.
This is a good one. The upside down Y and head position is so key. Now I will add the slower pull-through, but really snap at the end. It makes complete sense as to why it seems so effortless by the pros. Nice 1!❤
Dennis, I'm definitely a "puller" from way back/early and my shoulder reminds me after every round. It would be interesting to show the TechDisc numbers if you start a full speed throw from the curled/power pocket position vs full reachback. One other note ... early rotation traps the disc behind the body. Trust me; I have the video to prove it. Thanks for all you do!
Explained very nicely 👍🏻
Great Robbie! Very good explanation and I will find it helpful. I've been a personal trainer/sports performance coach (mostly hockey, LAX, and golf) This is new movement patterns for me and being RH hockey shooter I find myself on the other side of my body for back hand throws. The firing of NOS too soon was great. I can now see this in kinesiology terms. On the distant "over reach" reach back and firing too soon the shoulder complex (lats, rombiods, ....) fire and are no longer coiled to potential leaving the triceps (elbow extensors) to fire by themselves with weak support of the shoulder muscles through the power pocket. The what fires first through the rest of the sequence is still confusing. Every other rotational sport fires hips, torso, ....... perhaps abs first to support movement but that's my pilates background. This is for another lesson
You are the best and I can't thank you enough.
Right on, Robbie C. As they say in golf, "There can be only one fast moment in the swing." The motions and ideas in both sports are so similar.
In 3 years of watching u…prolly bets video yet for me! Thanks!
I am exactly with you on this.
I was working on my form on my deck when I realized I was straining myself and too early in in the throw; so more optimally, I should spread out the exertion throughout and especially at the end of the throw
Update: I watched this vid 2 more times then went out after work to go over everything slowly. Then KAPOW!!! I threw a Pixel straighter and farther than ever before. I still have a lot to work on but Robbie C, thank you thank you thank you
Question posed, Good question.
Theory proposed, correct. Accelerating at wrong time is most peoples problems.
Right time proposed, correct. The pocket is where we want to explode the built energy into the disc.
This is why I don't teach the "pull" method, cause your muscles are gassed before you hit the pocket as you try and yank the disc really hard.
We have to stay loose and relax till the pocket and then release the built up energy and help the disc.
This is got to be one of the single most best explanations I’ve heard of the power pocket… Thank you so much!
Super helpful, Robbie! Thanks for this video. My struggle exactly, and I think you nailed this.
Great video, I enjoy your perspective and analogies. Even as I progress I find plenty of interesting bits of info in your content!
I feel like you’ve been watching me throw Mr. TH-camMan! I really needed this! I’ve really focused on slowing down my pull through and saving most of my acceleration for the very end and WOW. I have that elusive audible snap on my throws! I haven’t tried for max distance yet but I’ve played a few rounds and overshot a few baskets I normally struggle to reach!
Great topic and explanation… very helpful! Many thanks!
One of your best videos, man. Thank you!
“Granny shifting, not double-clutching like you should”
“You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake”
Great video. A couple months ago I was struggling with my form, and I just stopped reaching back. What I mean is, I spent about a week or two where the disc was never behind my left hip (RHBH). Lead to some good throws, and I gradually added reachback back into the throw, with more success than I’d had previously
Extremely helpful. Thank you!
Holy cow, the dart analogy opened my eyes. Makes so much sense
I'm taking this to the field tomorrow!
This video came out when I was doing fieldwork. I tried this and I was getting more spin and distance. Now I need to work on the timing to get my accuracy down.
This video was helpful and was a good explanation of something I have been working on. My day is amazing. I hope that your day is fantastic as well.
Thanks once again Mr. YT man
thanks for this, i threw farther than ever wth what felt like min effort, gamechanger!!!!
No mention of family when you referenced Fast and Furious. I am of disappoint
awesome video thanks man
Hey Robbie! Hope you’ve had a chance to throw the AM Stalker. I’ve recently been cracking open the answer to the ‘what starts the rotation’ question. Tristan Tanner and Aaron Gossage have the keys to the answer. For Goose, it’s when he locks his right knee. This naturally initiates the hip rotation that starts the whip crack. For TT, it’s trying to bring both knees together to achieve the same effect. I definitely feel a difference when I lock my right knee back. The rotation just happens without thought.
Again, awesome stuff here, keep it coming. Thanks coach I mean Mr youtubeman
I’ll try it Monday, stay tuned
M&M and Fast and Furious..... what a video
Hey Robbie. Great video. Can you tell me what net and radar you are using?
I am going to put this to use later today because I know I have a decent reach back...this makes a lot of sense to me tho...thanks Robbie!
Thank you sir. I am a 2 year player. Have struggled with power. Explains why I throw farther on stand still , everything is slowed down standing still. When I walk up it's so much less power . Timing is accelerated . Stand still is laged
So as a rule should your head position be ~ perpendicular to shoulders and follow the disc? I thought I remember a RC video saying to focus on your disc bag to start being placed in back corner of tee box at beginning of steps.
The upper case Y idea is something I've tried to do from the start. In ball golf is your rotation should be around your spine and the spine should not move until the very end of the follow through. I carried that idea over from ball golf to disc golf. That way the disc stays in the same plane throughout the throw. Also the cannon analogy is a bit off. Even though the powder is ignited at the back of the barrel, the force of the explosion continues to accelerate the ball the whole length of the barrel.
Robbie, I spent most of last night laying in bed thinking about this exact issue. Am I not wasting potential by accelerating for a “longer” period? The timing of this vid couldn’t be more spot on.
Can you explain what you meant when showing the power pockets? at 10:30
You explain AB and Wiggins are outside the right pec - is that where they're accelerating from or?
In addition to accelerating at the right time, I also have to focus on keeping my front shoulder strong so I don't collapse the power pocket, while keeping my elbow loose, with strong grip pressure depending on the throw power. It's kind of a lot to think about, but starting to become second nature the more reps I do.
Yep, my biggest pulls have always started slow and then I WHIP those hips and let the arm follow through at the end.
Re: the pros, you can see this in action with the very slow / high FPS video where their forearm muscles become very flexed but not until they are in the deep pocket and want to fling out. Good thought/video :)
Robbie C.
Would you please make midrange disc review videos showing new players how they expect that disc will fly when THEY throw it?
Same need applies to putters.
Most video content shows how mids and putters fly when you throw them super far.
I realize this shows the flight of the disc.
But new players are not buying a midrange to throw it 300 feet.
Can someone show us how each midrange and putterswill fly when we use them at the ranges we bought them?
I am not picking on your content, I just think this content that new players need, and I have never seen any address this.
Thank you so much for all your helpful videos.
I really do love your content.
The rule with the head is “eye on the ball” like a batter, down and perpendicular to your shot. The back shoulder not the front shoulder is the thing that lets your head pull through.
Robbie check out Goose's/Ezra's vids the posted yesterday with Schmutz, he is crazy fast at the end of his throw, just like you are talking about.
My guess as well is that with late acceleration, you are going to get a better advanced ratio because your spin will increase more than the speed. It is a double win if so!
So it kinda sounds like if you can keep your head above your legs it kinda keeps you from getting into so many issues when coming through? If that makes sense.
We don't got birdie friends. We got birdie family.
Hi Robbie!
My problem with this thought is that when i try it i feel like I'm rounding more than pulling in a straight line. I'll have to get out to a field tomorrow and try it
I feel like you just analyzed my form without even seeing it. I know I do this when I end up hitting my off shoulder.
Link the video where you ask noah how we are doing!
Im 3:29 in and i just dry fired and exploded from "the pocket" instead of my reach back and if thats the key i can feel it IMMEDIATELY
5:28-8:53 this is almost a carbon copy of my current form, ouch, time to work on this!
Intro to a BIG DISTANCE video is a throw at 5.4 mph? Just jking, love what you do, keep it up. Not to offend anyone but when I first watched my form it look like the my entire left side had cerebral palsy ,while I was falling foward attempting to spin..
Ur advice hasnt helped before...but this was gold and not bc of distance. As an mp50 player trying to do better at higher tier events my consistency blows. After doing fieldwork on this and then hitting the course, i feel this could b an aha moment. I normally get a udisc rating between 222 and 237. I just had 2 +245 rounds. Please let this b my new normal bc of u
It’s like bal golf, you want that acceleration through the hitting zone, not at top of swing.
video starts at 7:22.
JK!!!!
love the build up!
I live my life 1 FF quote at a time.
You could pull off a short mohawk.
Have you tried just imagining yourself pushing the disc through your biceps/armpit?
So you are not accelerating at full speed through a linear motion, you are accelerating from extension to power pocket to create the pivot/whip... Where you are changing to a rotational energy.
So you are accelerating you, and the disc, to speed... Getting your body and kinetic chain into the right position, then firing off the disc.
Simple.
This is very much like with golf…. Spine angle makes a difference.
I am starting to wonder if you are spying on me!! --- I have been working on the net and I have a special overlay on my net for targeting. Anyway, I had been training for a month and I felt like it was awesome and smooth and would just fly >300' - right.
So, finally I go out yesterday to my local and test what I can do. I was disappointed. Just barely 300' - most were 240' and up.
So, I did improve a bit, 50' or so - but I knew while I was throwing yesterday that my arm was pulling and my hips were not spinning at the right time etc. etc. ad-infinitum/ad-nauseum.
Thinking about it later and analyzing what I was doing - I would summarize it as this:
- 1. I wanted distance so bad that I used muscle and was arm throwing - in essence totally ignoring all the good work I trained on....
- 2. I actually did what you are explaining in todays video - in that, I had lost most of my power before I could rotate - and when I did rotate it felt weak and insignificant.
I am going to test again and this time I will not worry about the distance, but just do the form like I train and see what happens.
(This is a "mind" thing - i.e., wanting to throw far and just scraping the form LOL)
- I was throwing putters (Aviars) and then my entire bag. Not much of a difference between them (for me) - perhaps 30-50' extra. Clearly not what I expected.
As an additional test, I threw from a standstill and hit the same distance as if I ran up. So, I knew something was wrong.
Like you - I put a lot of science and analysis into my game/sport .. thing. 🤣
One quick tip for you Robbie, i noticed that you turn your head before hand goes through, try to keep it still, head follows hand, not opposite, im pretty sure the throwing speed increase 5mph more after that. Good video tho! 👊🏻
I feel personally attacked by this video
Rotatoes 😂
There's another issue here though.
You talk way to much. Get to the point, please.