In regards to the First Skaven Civil War (Council of 13 vs Clan Pestilens) it was essentially a 400 year stalemate that was only broken cause Clan Eshin returned from the east and started assassinating various leaders aligned with Clan Pestilens. Even then Clan Pestilens just basically went "Fine, truce-truce. We'll settle for a seat on the council" and then proceeded to take said seat by walking into Skavenblight (surviving multiple assassination attempts along the way) and murder-biting the weakest councilmember. Just imagine some guy covered in shit/pus/vomit/flies walks into a board room, chomps the neck of the dude closest to the door, sits on his corpse, drops a box of donuts on the table and then asks "So what are we doing next quarter?". You've been trying to get rid of this dude for like 500+ years and now this is your everyday life. What's worse you're pretty sure he's gonna ask to borrow a pen and you know you'll NEVER see that thing again.
Pestilens in general is kinda underbaked in game 3. Plague monks need to either be brought down to tier 2 and 3 for censer bearers or made significantly more powerful. Skrolk should also probably be a fair bit tougher and do more damage in melee.
So Ikit is actually a wizard. Most of the lore around how he’s got magical power is that he uses devices as an excuse because non-grey seer casting is heresy. He’s stolen and robbed magical secrets from the Lizardmen, high elves, and a lot of mankind and as a result learned how to control magic.
Also Clan Pestilens got their seat on the council because Eshin returned and proceeded to do loads of assassinations. As a result more and more Skaven started to turn back from their allegiance and so Nurglitch showed up with a load of bio weapons and threatened them to get a seat.
If I remember correctly (I'm talking 3rd edition here) Ikit not only is a wizard but one the most powerful in existence, one of the only 3 level 5 casters in the game along with teclis and nagash, and the only one in the game who could pick his spells from all the lores of magic
Skrolk really looks at bombastic and destructive displays of Warp Lightning and other tricks and cantrips of the Grey Seers and Warlock Engineers and just shrugs, countering it all with "Hocus-pocus, you now have late-stage tuberculosis." Or "I wish you a very merry dysentery."
Ah yes, when I think of which Skaven I would want to watch my back in a dark alley, I wonder why Tretch is coming in last. Probably because he's the one that would stab me in the back, whether I asked him to be there or not.
Queek was raised on a steady diet of assassins though. Stealth is something Queek doesn't have much issue with, for multiple reasons, and that is Sniktch's whole advantage negated. Take that away and Sniktch can't/won't fight Queek: Queek wins.
Throt hasn't died because he's basically stolen a Troll's regenerative ability, the guy is also one of the oldest Skaven to exist for this reason, the guy is a patchwork horror and if I recall he has Strength 5 in the army books, which for a Skaven is fucking huge.
About lord skrolk not taking the whole world for him. Remember theere is an even bigger rat in clan pestilence. The clans lord of decay was the reason for why skrolk lost his eyes. Apparently skrolk saw the pestilential aura of his master ones and couldn’t stand it, ripping his eyes out of his skull
If I recall about 80% of all Skaven in the Hell Pit are directly related to Throt so he’s made great use of that long life he has and the warpstone steroid stamina.
i mean, if we're talking skaven lore generally not just the ones in total war, probably skreetch verminking would be the number 1, followed by a couple of the other verminlords. Hope we get to see some big boi rat greater deamons in game at some point
I am very excited for the follow up multiplayer campaign where you, Tactical Lich, and other buds play as skaven LL's and proceed to be most honorable in your dealings with each other...
Yup lol 😂 I'd really only consider Queek since he hates lies and backstabbing, but perhaps if Sniktch had a contract to protect you he couuuuld maybe be reliable. Big shrug.
I feel like of the individuals on this list, only the Deathmaster or Ikit could really have any chance of killing Skrolk and that's by playing to their strengths with sabotage (perhaps just a massive amount of fire bombs like the empire port) or a superweapon which means they don't have to get close. That's also assuming Skrolk doesn't just manage to plague them anyway as plague magic in lore seems to have no particular concern for line of sight. In a straight fight against anyone on this list he just wins, if memory serves his Censer oneshot a Carnosaur in lore before (Rip Grimlock) so while some of the faster melee fighters on the list might avoid it for a while, they're going to have a bad time if they get hit and his aura just has to slow them down enough to get smashed.
Snikich would easliy kill skrolk even if he died later from the effects of plauge. Even better if he was provided woth amulets protecting him from the plauge which is a even nightlord could easly get for snikich
@@rustycrowbar4250 I'm a fan of the Deathmaster personally but I don't think I would go so far to call a victory against Skrolk easy. He's very good in a fight and possibly the best assassin in fantasy (Oxyotyl could probably contest the title) but assassination is something most skaven prepare against and Skrolk has hacks which make him better suited at it than most (keep in mind that any skaven who looked like they could be easily assassinated would have been dead years ago just as a matter of principle). I'm also curious if the weeping blade poison would actually kill him given incredible survivability especially against toxins and disease is kind of a staple for nurgle aligned forces. I'm also unclear on how the amulets function and if they're effective against Skrolk's book. It's all well and good to try fight Skrolk with an amulet warding off plague until he uses the voodoo book to simultaneously give you whooping cough, smallpox, tuberculosis, malaria and gangrene along with aids for good measure. I think it's worth noting that Skrolk is the only one on the list beyond maybe Ikit who is likely to get a kill post mortem although without something to protect against the plague I don't think he's dying first. (If memory serves, one of those basically instantly killed a carnosaur in the times we don't speak of) Snikich's style is slow, patient and cautious until the moment comes but Skrolk has magic which can strike at a far longer range and can't be snuck up on anywhere near as easily. He passively kills you by proximity but if he gets a plague ritual going against you, he could be sending diseases from across Skavenblight which you might not notice before it's too late.
Since snikitch killed randomly everybody the writers wanted killed I thought he would be first with skrollk second, they are by far the best two though
Mazdamundi is a easy pick for the lizardmen, his magic is crazy strong. Now for the empire, who knows, there's so many characters and lots of fanservice (even to this day I don't understand their supposed appeal. Humanity in 40k does look cool and over the top, but humans in Fantasy looks boring)
I think tretch was put in the game precisely to have the weakest possible character available. Its good to have a "challenge" option and there are many people who tremendously enjoy just seeing dogshit underdogs suceed over much stronger opponents
Tretch is my favorite Skaven LL, because he isn't good at anything. Everyone else is special, or talented. Come on, how Skaven is that? :D Tretch is my ideal skaven.
I enjoyed using Tretch to underdog punish the dark elves once; watching his stormvermin just eat darkspears with +15 melee attack in an uphill battle as if they were a regiment of hero units was a sight to see.
Snikich murdered a Skaven Warlord, and his 100 Stormvermin Guard, placing the Warlord's head neatly ontop of the pile of their skulls; Thanqoul soiled himself at the mere sight of him after he darted from person to person butchering his entire bodyguard in a blur of movement; my favorite mini-story is probatly the one featuring him assassinating the Celestial-Wizard guy: th-cam.com/video/zgJCUlkuU5Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SnTxBPQfMc5nzTGk&t=338 Thor'grim having lost two sons and daughter to his blades added him to the book of grudges not under his name because he did not know it, but as Gorakthag-throk: "murder-daemon of darkness" You sort of forgot, and many people do that Snikich has warpstone-throwing stars (idk why they arent ingame because generic eshen lords have them lol) aswell as the Bands of Power (Metal Vambraces with Warpstone-shards (pretty much same as Queek's armor but minaturized, that are ingame and on his arms but not an item for some reason that bestows him with superhuman-strength); but yeah he isnt realy getting close to Skrolk without catching any deadly diseases; he would probatly body Queek even 1v1 however. Queek personality wise is still better, as is Thanqoul; but they arent going to do much to Snikich power-scale wise; Queek could never see Snikich coming owed to the Cloak of Shadows that "magicaly conceals the wearer perfectly"
13:30 Answer is simple. To any unnatural power, be it Sniktch's speedm agility and poison or Skrolk's deseases and plague, there are other unntural powers and magic. So another legendary character protects himself with magic from this magic and get unnatural power to overcome these things. Skrolk isn't the only one to be able to point at someone and get him wrekt with magic, I bet many mages can do that. I bet Sienna can come, point at him and he'll burn in cleansing fire.
love the plague guys. like storm vermin in the game are better to have cause you just want line holders in the late game and they have better armor and shields but in skaven slayer plauge monks were the only line troops to almost beat gotrek(although be it via being under a frenzy spell)
Skreech Verminking, who probably also will be added at somepoint will top this list. Just by the fact that he is a Verminlord and therefore the Skaven equivalent to a greater daemon.
Ikit literally leads a team that blows up the Black Pyramid of Nagash in the End Times, essentially stopping him from being even more powerful than the Chaos Gods, but sure, he's shit.....
What makes Ikit important is intelligence, not raw power. While he is strong, his real power is that he's a mega-genius with access to insane technology. He's basically the Skaven Iron Man (or Iron Rat).
I'll be honest, While I believe places 2 and 3 are rather interchangeable, I'd personally put Queek above Deathmaster. Mainly because these should be accounted for 'Head to Head' not 'Assassin does assassin things. Therefor he beats Queek if not seen.' Maybe 8/10 times Deathmaster beats Queek if we take that into account but throw them both into an Arena, I'm fairly certain Queek comes out on top due to his experience, feats and well, his armor compared to Deathmaster. It's really ANYONES game but I think placing him above Queek is highballing him a littttttle much but like I said either can take the others spot.
I do think Thanquol deserves 3rd. Yeah he does choke, but it’s lore STRENGTH, not lore effectiveness. He definitely chokes, but he’s undeniably nonetheless extremely powerful.
Skrolk can probably one hit kill any other LL.... just being near him is already risk of death Deathmaster can kill any Skaven... He probably can put Skrolk down to with right tool but in his normal gear... either him die or both die The unclean have super regen...as good as troll... He can grind anyone that can't kill him fast enough down in time Ikit by his standard gear(if we talk about all thing he invent too He is surely most destructive) ... while strong....is not enough to take on top3 Queek is one of strongest pure warrior skaven for sure Craventail is not even reach fucking warlord rank...
i hate useless pointless lore. soo all lore. i wish games would just focus on the game and not literally pay people to type up nonsense lore. i would rather alot less lore or back story budget and just put the $$ in the game. and it goes for all games. same with skins or cosmetics. but at least those have somewhat of a purpose. lore is just cringe
i say at this point it should be said like, queek can defeat Snikch in 1v1 but only if he would see that coming and Snikch would actually commit to the fight. So becouse of the skulls that could warn him i say its a draw for them.
In regards to the First Skaven Civil War (Council of 13 vs Clan Pestilens) it was essentially a 400 year stalemate that was only broken cause Clan Eshin returned from the east and started assassinating various leaders aligned with Clan Pestilens. Even then Clan Pestilens just basically went "Fine, truce-truce. We'll settle for a seat on the council" and then proceeded to take said seat by walking into Skavenblight (surviving multiple assassination attempts along the way) and murder-biting the weakest councilmember.
Just imagine some guy covered in shit/pus/vomit/flies walks into a board room, chomps the neck of the dude closest to the door, sits on his corpse, drops a box of donuts on the table and then asks "So what are we doing next quarter?". You've been trying to get rid of this dude for like 500+ years and now this is your everyday life. What's worse you're pretty sure he's gonna ask to borrow a pen and you know you'll NEVER see that thing again.
Here’s the thing, if he even offered to give the pen back…would you want it back?
only broken cuuz da nukes. lore is cringe tho and i could care less
@@shawnfoogle920 Nobody asked what you care about, brah. Lore is objectively awesome and that's an objectively correct opinion.
Skrolk should really have a Mortis engine effect as an active skill.
Agreed. He is strong due his campaign effect and magic, but not that strong in combat.
It's really bizarre that he doesn't
Pestilens in general is kinda underbaked in game 3. Plague monks need to either be brought down to tier 2 and 3 for censer bearers or made significantly more powerful. Skrolk should also probably be a fair bit tougher and do more damage in melee.
So Ikit is actually a wizard. Most of the lore around how he’s got magical power is that he uses devices as an excuse because non-grey seer casting is heresy. He’s stolen and robbed magical secrets from the Lizardmen, high elves, and a lot of mankind and as a result learned how to control magic.
Also Clan Pestilens got their seat on the council because Eshin returned and proceeded to do loads of assassinations. As a result more and more Skaven started to turn back from their allegiance and so Nurglitch showed up with a load of bio weapons and threatened them to get a seat.
If I remember correctly (I'm talking 3rd edition here) Ikit not only is a wizard but one the most powerful in existence, one of the only 3 level 5 casters in the game along with teclis and nagash, and the only one in the game who could pick his spells from all the lores of magic
@@trillaco1 That sounds... so wrong lol
Clan Pestilens: Pathologists
Clan Moulder: Biologists
Clan Skryre: Nuts.
I think Moulder are more like really amazing selective breeders combined with some of the most inhumane and invasive surgeons in existence.
Skrolk really looks at bombastic and destructive displays of Warp Lightning and other tricks and cantrips of the Grey Seers and Warlock Engineers and just shrugs, countering it all with "Hocus-pocus, you now have late-stage tuberculosis." Or "I wish you a very merry dysentery."
Ah yes, when I think of which Skaven I would want to watch my back in a dark alley, I wonder why Tretch is coming in last.
Probably because he's the one that would stab me in the back, whether I asked him to be there or not.
Queek was raised on a steady diet of assassins though.
Stealth is something Queek doesn't have much issue with, for multiple reasons, and that is Sniktch's whole advantage negated. Take that away and Sniktch can't/won't fight Queek:
Queek wins.
Throt hasn't died because he's basically stolen a Troll's regenerative ability, the guy is also one of the oldest Skaven to exist for this reason, the guy is a patchwork horror and if I recall he has Strength 5 in the army books, which for a Skaven is fucking huge.
About lord skrolk not taking the whole world for him.
Remember theere is an even bigger rat in clan pestilence.
The clans lord of decay was the reason for why skrolk lost his eyes.
Apparently skrolk saw the pestilential aura of his master ones and couldn’t stand it, ripping his eyes out of his skull
Woah, heavily underestimated Skrolk!! Imagined him to be a one dimensional caricature of a zealot rat. But his abilities are BUSTED!!
If I recall about 80% of all Skaven in the Hell Pit are directly related to Throt so he’s made great use of that long life he has and the warpstone steroid stamina.
I love the skaven, they are the friendliest race in game.
i mean, if we're talking skaven lore generally not just the ones in total war, probably skreetch verminking would be the number 1, followed by a couple of the other verminlords. Hope we get to see some big boi rat greater deamons in game at some point
New factions. Deamons of horned rat.
I am very excited for the follow up multiplayer campaign where you, Tactical Lich, and other buds play as skaven LL's and proceed to be most honorable in your dealings with each other...
That would be very fun to watch on stream.
I actually think i dont want a skaven to watch my back in a dark alley at night
Yup lol 😂
I'd really only consider Queek since he hates lies and backstabbing, but perhaps if Sniktch had a contract to protect you he couuuuld maybe be reliable. Big shrug.
I feel like of the individuals on this list, only the Deathmaster or Ikit could really have any chance of killing Skrolk and that's by playing to their strengths with sabotage (perhaps just a massive amount of fire bombs like the empire port) or a superweapon which means they don't have to get close. That's also assuming Skrolk doesn't just manage to plague them anyway as plague magic in lore seems to have no particular concern for line of sight. In a straight fight against anyone on this list he just wins, if memory serves his Censer oneshot a Carnosaur in lore before (Rip Grimlock) so while some of the faster melee fighters on the list might avoid it for a while, they're going to have a bad time if they get hit and his aura just has to slow them down enough to get smashed.
Snikich would easliy kill skrolk even if he died later from the effects of plauge. Even better if he was provided woth amulets protecting him from the plauge which is a even nightlord could easly get for snikich
@@rustycrowbar4250 I'm a fan of the Deathmaster personally but I don't think I would go so far to call a victory against Skrolk easy. He's very good in a fight and possibly the best assassin in fantasy (Oxyotyl could probably contest the title) but assassination is something most skaven prepare against and Skrolk has hacks which make him better suited at it than most (keep in mind that any skaven who looked like they could be easily assassinated would have been dead years ago just as a matter of principle). I'm also curious if the weeping blade poison would actually kill him given incredible survivability especially against toxins and disease is kind of a staple for nurgle aligned forces. I'm also unclear on how the amulets function and if they're effective against Skrolk's book. It's all well and good to try fight Skrolk with an amulet warding off plague until he uses the voodoo book to simultaneously give you whooping cough, smallpox, tuberculosis, malaria and gangrene along with aids for good measure. I think it's worth noting that Skrolk is the only one on the list beyond maybe Ikit who is likely to get a kill post mortem although without something to protect against the plague I don't think he's dying first. (If memory serves, one of those basically instantly killed a carnosaur in the times we don't speak of) Snikich's style is slow, patient and cautious until the moment comes but Skrolk has magic which can strike at a far longer range and can't be snuck up on anywhere near as easily. He passively kills you by proximity but if he gets a plague ritual going against you, he could be sending diseases from across Skavenblight which you might not notice before it's too late.
"Tanquol chokes " Idk I would too if I had Gotrek breathing down my deck
My thoughts exactly 😂
As a counterpoint, Thanquol has about zero wins despite always having the advantage at the start.
Throt also was given a chaos warriors brain by Archeon and put it in a rat ogre, thats pretty cool 🤷♂️
Since snikitch killed randomly everybody the writers wanted killed I thought he would be first with skrollk second, they are by far the best two though
Had no idea Skrolk was such a monster 😅 Expected Snikich to be #1
Love the lore videos sir. Thank you for the content
I wanna see more of these! Lizardmen and Empire especially.
Mazdamundi is a easy pick for the lizardmen, his magic is crazy strong. Now for the empire, who knows, there's so many characters and lots of fanservice (even to this day I don't understand their supposed appeal. Humanity in 40k does look cool and over the top, but humans in Fantasy looks boring)
it'd be cool if censor bearers + skrolk also had a mortis engine/ applied that globe poison to whoever they were fighting
Nobody knows why Tretch exists and nobody knows why Ghorst was introduced.
more of these vids, I love em!
Who is your favorite skaven legendary and why is it Queek Headtaker? XD
is queek and because theres an hour long lore video for him next week
Regiment of renown edition series maybe?
I think of Tretch as the ultimate backstabber, he's just really good at being a rat with ambushing and misleading being his strongest weapons
my 1st campaign (and completed campaign) in any total war game was Skrolk. Love from first clawed-out sight
Nice. a Great Lore Inspired video. :D thanks for the enjoyable video. Would you be interested in doing more like this. but for other factions? :)
Instant AIDS FTW.😂
damn i learned a lot here, great vid
I think tretch was put in the game precisely to have the weakest possible character available. Its good to have a "challenge" option and there are many people who tremendously enjoy just seeing dogshit underdogs suceed over much stronger opponents
Tretch is my favorite Skaven LL, because he isn't good at anything. Everyone else is special, or talented. Come on, how Skaven is that? :D Tretch is my ideal skaven.
I enjoyed using Tretch to underdog punish the dark elves once; watching his stormvermin just eat darkspears with +15 melee attack in an uphill battle as if they were a regiment of hero units was a sight to see.
Saying Clan Pestilens could just beat the Lizardmen seems extremely disrespectful to my boy Tehenhuain
Cool vid
Snikich murdered a Skaven Warlord, and his 100 Stormvermin Guard, placing the Warlord's head neatly ontop of the pile of their skulls; Thanqoul soiled himself at the mere sight of him after he darted from person to person butchering his entire bodyguard in a blur of movement; my favorite mini-story is probatly the one featuring him assassinating the Celestial-Wizard guy: th-cam.com/video/zgJCUlkuU5Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SnTxBPQfMc5nzTGk&t=338
Thor'grim having lost two sons and daughter to his blades added him to the book of grudges not under his name because he did not know it, but as Gorakthag-throk: "murder-daemon of darkness"
You sort of forgot, and many people do that Snikich has warpstone-throwing stars (idk why they arent ingame because generic eshen lords have them lol) aswell as the
Bands of Power (Metal Vambraces with Warpstone-shards (pretty much same as Queek's armor but minaturized, that are ingame and on his arms but not an item for some reason that bestows him with superhuman-strength); but yeah he isnt realy getting close to Skrolk without catching any deadly diseases; he would probatly body Queek even 1v1 however.
Queek personality wise is still better, as is Thanqoul; but they arent going to do much to Snikich power-scale wise; Queek could never see Snikich coming owed to the Cloak of Shadows that "magicaly conceals the wearer perfectly"
super fair, I think your arguments are good to get snitch way ahead in 2nd, but skrolk is just BROKEN in the lore
13:30 Answer is simple. To any unnatural power, be it Sniktch's speedm agility and poison or Skrolk's deseases and plague, there are other unntural powers and magic.
So another legendary character protects himself with magic from this magic and get unnatural power to overcome these things. Skrolk isn't the only one to be able to point at someone and get him wrekt with magic, I bet many mages can do that. I bet Sienna can come, point at him and he'll burn in cleansing fire.
love the plague guys. like storm vermin in the game are better to have cause you just want line holders in the late game and they have better armor and shields but in skaven slayer plauge monks were the only line troops to almost beat gotrek(although be it via being under a frenzy spell)
I would love to see more videos like this
Skreech Verminking, who probably also will be added at somepoint will top this list. Just by the fact that he is a Verminlord and therefore the Skaven equivalent to a greater daemon.
I wonder what do you think about the information in the lutria source book to the whfr 4ed
tretch is so bbg i love
It is staggering how into rats you are.
Ikit literally leads a team that blows up the Black Pyramid of Nagash in the End Times, essentially stopping him from being even more powerful than the Chaos Gods, but sure, he's shit.....
end times writing is.... not ideal. it makes everyone wildly different
What makes Ikit important is intelligence, not raw power. While he is strong, his real power is that he's a mega-genius with access to insane technology. He's basically the Skaven Iron Man (or Iron Rat).
I'll be honest, While I believe places 2 and 3 are rather interchangeable, I'd personally put Queek above Deathmaster. Mainly because these should be accounted for 'Head to Head' not 'Assassin does assassin things. Therefor he beats Queek if not seen.' Maybe 8/10 times Deathmaster beats Queek if we take that into account but throw them both into an Arena, I'm fairly certain Queek comes out on top due to his experience, feats and well, his armor compared to Deathmaster. It's really ANYONES game but I think placing him above Queek is highballing him a littttttle much but like I said either can take the others spot.
I do think Thanquol deserves 3rd. Yeah he does choke, but it’s lore STRENGTH, not lore effectiveness. He definitely chokes, but he’s undeniably nonetheless extremely powerful.
ikit claw in 6th hurts my soul
Awesome video! 👌
Why skrolk did not conquer Lustria?
N A K A I
MOAAAAAR LORE!!!!!
Respect for Clan Pestilens, wish they were better represented in game.
What about generic characters? Would a generic warlord be able to take on Tretch?
1v1 yes if they were forced to fight. Tretch would win if he could surrender, then stalk the warlord and kill him when hes not looking
Skrolk can probably one hit kill any other LL.... just being near him is already risk of death
Deathmaster can kill any Skaven... He probably can put Skrolk down to with right tool but in his normal gear... either him die or both die
The unclean have super regen...as good as troll... He can grind anyone that can't kill him fast enough down in time
Ikit by his standard gear(if we talk about all thing he invent too He is surely most destructive) ... while strong....is not enough to take on top3
Queek is one of strongest pure warrior skaven for sure
Craventail is not even reach fucking warlord rank...
i hate useless pointless lore. soo all lore.
i wish games would just focus on the game and not literally pay people to type up nonsense lore.
i would rather alot less lore or back story budget and just put the $$ in the game. and it goes for all games.
same with skins or cosmetics. but at least those have somewhat of a purpose. lore is just cringe
The game is based off of the lore that was already there...
@@lukejones2731 sure. like marvel. used to come from comics because thats all they had. now no one cares about comics but rather the movies.
I’m sorry…are you five?
@@CEOofAutism exactly my point im not 5.
So i don't care for made up bs \ lore.
You're name basically proves me right btw. You must like lore lol
i say at this point it should be said like, queek can defeat Snikch in 1v1 but only if he would see that coming and Snikch would actually commit to the fight. So becouse of the skulls that could warn him i say its a draw for them.