Instead of hiring US based devs, nexon needs to prioritize a US based monetization team. It’s clear every idea is coming straight from Korea which poses natural clashes with East vs west spending styles.
For this dreamer update, I invited a friend to try out the game since its the most rewarding it could be for new player. He was completely new to the MMO genre in general and especially Maplestory (Since he never even heard about it before), throughout the process of him playing I realized how unfriendly Maplestory is to a new player. Even though Tera Blink did a great job of pushing him to 200, it doesn't left any remarks of any of the game mechanics that it introduced for my friend. In addition, he was not able to recognize one of the most important main gaming loop for maplestory (leveling legion and making links) by himself so the only thing that he does everyday is to hop on do arcane daily, fight RA bosses (daily ones), do monster park and some minigame event then log off (the thing that I told him to do, not the game told him about them). The game fell into a stalemate after level 200 and does not give him any further instruction or give any effort dragging him closer to the main gaming loop. On top of that, the questing system in Maplestory is outdated. The quest can easily be skipped by just holding down one button so why would the quest tab so hard to navigate and to understand? Some of the quest description is just like "A did something bad and it might cause some problem" without showing a navigation arrow or any instruction in the description of the quest that show the player what they should do, how could a new player know where to go and which NPC to talk to if they never finished the quest before? Still on topic of questing, the newer quest (Arcane River, New Character story onwards) did fix some of the old problem by giving more instruction but they have the problem of not being consistent, sometime and somewhere in the middle of the questline, after my friend finished the quest it just cuts off, at least it should've give some direction toward where and who to talk to in order to accept the next quest in the questline (The most evident part is in vanishing journey questline, after our playable character fell down from those phoenix birds). Going into the detail of game mechanic, Maplestory has the same problem as every old-aged MMO has that is ton and ton of functions and game mechanic on top of each another. The problem that my friend is facing right now is "what I should do next", he didn't know about maple guide (Its undoubtable that Maple Guide is extremely helpful but the game does not give it much exposure to the player) so he can only do four RA bosses that was unlocked though the prequest that I show him. He didnt know which quest to unlock which boss nor where to accept them. In addition, the 5th job Matrix was extremely unfriendly alongside with the arcane symbol system, last time I checked he has like over 450 vanishing journey symbols just sitting in his use tab that he didn't use to increase his Arcane Power to help him training. Other than that, there are billions of other problem that were not as stand out as the mentioned problems above; I completely agrees with Duky for making a tutorial world to familiarize a new player to the game or to just rework the whole New Player Experience (or in this case: "create"; since Maplestory is astoundingly lacks of a proper tutorial). TL;DR: The questing system sucks, game doesn't give any effort showing new players the main game loop and a severe lack of tutorials.
As a new player, i think the only things that bothers me is the price of a vac pet and price of the nx in general. So, i'm from Brazil, 100 dollars for a vac pet is something like 500 BR$ and it's A LOT here, i wouldn't buy it even if it was 50 dollars, to do some comparation, i bought elden ring for 150 BR$ so yeah, no vac pet for me. The rest of your criticism feel more like something an veteran player would complain about, newer players like most of the features of the game, what makes then quit is the transition of the playstyle from before lvl200 and after lvl200. I almost quite after reaching lvl 210 on multiple characters, the game is so much different after you reach arcane river compared to what it is before you reach it and the game doesn't prepare you at all for this sudden transition. Pre-arcane river you explore, do quests know more about the world and you get rewards for it, after you reach arcane river, all this exploration just become pointless, with the new legion artifact system, we get some incentive to explore more the world even after reaching lvl 200, but it isn't the same
@@mrutherford1994 i would be considered a whale in this mushroom game if we had local prices. I spend a lot of money on league of legends and definitly would spent hundreds or even thousands of br$ if local prices are a thing. But i don't think a vac pet is worth 3 and 1/3 elden rings lol
@@franciscom.bodinho2219 preços locais provavelmente nunca vão existir simplesmente pelo fato de que o maple quebra umas 50 leis do código do consumidor, então é praticamente impossível eles trabalharem legalmente aqui
Gacha system are just cash money making machine for companies so it is unlikely to change even for a half-dead game like maple. I would never spend even if there is pity, that is too much of a whale option which supports their current game and hence can't change. I only want to PAY for what I want to GET. Another point in this video was FOMO or time limited event which predates on player psychology. But in exchange it makes new player not feel like playing the game cause they already 'missed out'. I just joined GMS because I was asked to give it a try and I realised how little time I have left for the current event since I joined so late and all my 150 gears and going to expire soon. Except for a inflated level, I have nothing else to show for and hence once the item expires, I would probably be unable to do the content and thus leave the game. I agree that seasonal events are great but it should not severely impact the gameplay or gatekeep players. PS: for those for are telling me to do legion/link skills, I am playing because I like that class and has already committed time to it, I am not interested to spend whatever hours and would rather just play a better game. The system should give a much smaller buff for building up other classes as players should be trying other classes for their own curiosity/initiate rather than being be forced to do something.
My friend and I started fresh at the same time. He was a new player, but I was a returning player, so I knew what I was doing. By the time I had my 2k legion set up and my main character reached 6th job, he was still at level 150 and didn't know what he was doing. He thought he had to finish every quest in the game and didn't know that you should spam potions, so he was trying to save mana while farming, etc. I tried to help him, but he insisted that he wanted to explore the game all by himself, so guess what, he quit 🤣
HAHA this is a bummer. Sorry your friend didn’t hang with you. This reminds me of my brother though, we played in 2005-2008 and I remember calling him out so hard for waiting ‘til his HP was at like 15 to use a potion haha!! I was like dude just use it, it’s not worth the risk
As an OG 2005 player, the biggest issue with the game now... The game forces you to play it how it wants you to, All these videos, and having to be a certain level to reach certain areas. When this game first became popular, it was because you start as an explorer and you're in the maple world, you have no idea where to go or what to do but you meet people on the way and everyones adventure was different. Now its lvl 100 in 15min, You have no idea what 1st 2nd or 3rd job is because it passed by so quick, then 200 within the next few hours. Stuck in arcane river until 260 then stuck in sacred maps until lvl 300. It used to be kerning>ludibrium>orbis>aquarium>kft>leafre>etc. an adventure of the full maple word.
I've been on and off Maplestory since 2009, it's the game that I always come back to when I'm not really feeling any other games. A few months after Hyperion was launched, I jumped back in after a year or so break and was super surprised at how much the game had changed BUT also how much hadn't changed (which might be a good thing, I dunno?). I've always wondered why Nexon add levels rather than doing a level squish and making EXP slightly harder to get. Back in the day, getting to level 100 was a BIG grind and it was super rewarding. Let's say the new cap is level 150. Arcane River starts at say... level 70. Make the EXP curve harsher once you hit 70, just like at level 200 currently. A big job but streamlining classes by combining 2nd and 3rd job could work too. Passives are automatically applied as you job advance, rather than putting skill points into them, The job advancement isn't a short questline but rather it teaches you all the new skills you recieve as you advance, while giving you the option to skip the tutorial if you wish. I've tried getting IRL friends into the game many times over the years and literally none of them have stuck around because of how daunting the game becomes super early on. The sheer fact that "the game starts at level 200" quote gets thrown around, turns people off because just getting to that is a massive time sink for casual players. Don't even get me started on the Legion and Link Skills system, that's a true time sink. I'm aware that doing a level squish could mean that maps and towns don't get used anymore but there's enough maps in the game to have a dedicated starting zone for every single class, including the Explorers. The game needs more skippable cutscenes which in turn creates more time grinding, more time hanging with friends, more time running guild activities, less expiration items, more perm NX. I could probably keep going but there's an idea I suppose!
Skippable cut scenes. My friend, who (not to pull the race card) even is Asian, and enjoys Asian-themed / Asian-flared things, was so annoyed at the opening cut scenes & dialog haha!!! And I was like “yeah just spam your skip button through that”. I thought it was bad until I made a Lara 😭 I had to have hit the skip key 1,000,000 times, took like 2 hours to get through the intro dialog
I'm surprised there is no mention of starforce progression or a pitched pity system, do you think both of these are good/fair and shouldn't be changed?
sf is my biggest complaint it is not fun at all its literally only fun for people that like gambling and or are stockholm pilled hard enough to like getting abused by sf like its actually just like a abusive relationship
@@Gamekrayz I'm sorry but starforcing my gear at lvl 150 costing millions on mesos the game simply doesn't give you feels absolutely fucking awful. Completely disagree as a new player myself like I should be able to upgrade my gear while lvling to a reasonable level to do starforce training maps.
@@Gamekrayz If spending 30b to boom your item 4-5 times in a row sounds like a good way to play the game idk man. You have limited time on this planet and you're spending it on a sh*t mechanic called starforce in a 20yo game. This game punishes your hard work and the time you spend on it by reversing your time-gated progression. It's gambling with your precious time in real life for a Korean version nft lmao.
Thought about it probably get the Vac pet and farm a sht ton until it expires only revive it when spell trace events are announced lol $15 is just insane monthly subscription to farm meso
15 bucks is normal for a subscription model. vac renewal should cost $15 AND it should come from MVP tiers so that if you are already spending $15 elsewhere, you get the vac for free
I tried to get my boyfriend into Maplestory (he's never played), he really enjoyed leveling different characters, he got about 5 characters to lv100 and got his hyperburning character to 200. 5th job was however too overwhelming for him and he quit. (this was about a year ago)
YOOO Duky I jumped into the stream yesterday and asked how good you feel like Maple is now compared to osms. Between your awesome answers there and even this video, I am learning a lot more about the game and I’m stoked when i find some time to train up my character. I now know I need to look into meso drop gear (and i enjoy this idea). Your content is awesome bro, such a light hearted feel to it. I feel like we’re like college homies cause you’re mad chill HA. Thanks yo
Lets say you are from philiphines or from any other country that don't use USD. If you aren't high-income or high-class or have a: REALLY GOOD HOUSE, A Fat bank account, if you would go unemployed you didn't have to worry for like 6 months about money. You can spend money on this game. If you are a normal person, with a normal job, that can eat out 3 times per week and have a bit of spare money in the end of the month. Is just not worth to spend in maple, really, the game prices are away too expensive (even in USD), 70 dolars for a PNG that has 3 months duration, that you don't own (its not yours, you can only do things that nexon permits you to do with it) and just helps with your farming during 2-3 hours a day? Bro you can just spend this money on a triple-A game and have 300+ hours of pure fun and you won't need to play 10 dolars a month to have more fun. In my country you can buy like 6 months of gym with 70 dolars, you can buy good food for 2 people for almost 3 weeks in supermarket (o even a month if you buy cheaper stuff). I can't ever recommend a friends to play maple simply because the game FORCES you to spend money and is not worth spending. "Inkwell is listening to us etc", they are doing the bare minimum, I don't see this as something that changed or renovated the MMO scene, they are just doing their homework and getting passing grades while copying their korean friend. Maplestory is not impressive, it does not bring anything new in your life, you can get friends outside of maple and in other games. Maplestory is just a everage game that I can't recommend with good reasons, if anyone with experience in game ask "Does maplestory have a better story than FF14? No" "Does maplestory have better graphics than BDO? No" "Does Maplestory XX? No" Maplestory simply does not excel in nothing and thats a fact. I love the mushroom game, I'm playing for around 4-5 months and knew the game before and is just a side game when I have nothing really "good" to play.
Maplestory pre lv.220 feels like one of the most boring single-player video games ever. You just hitting mobs for hours and hours. Especially if you're a new player who doesn't know how to utilize your exp pots/buffs/links/legion/runes. It's like chores or a second job rather than an exciting video game about adventurers. I'd even say that leveling from 160-200 is more boring than a post-arcane river. I invited my friends to play this game and most of them couldn't get past 200 because it was so boring. These are the same players that once played this game around Big Bang. Their main complaints are that this game lacks a party play element until you reach CRA, lomien. They miss Kerning City sewer PQ, and Monster Carnival PQ. There should be an alternative way to level up for people who don't like grinding. A well-designed party quest or theme dungeon that you can enjoy with your friends. Having to sink 60-100 hours to set up your account grinding ALONE just to start playing this game with your friends seems like a nightmare for new players.
I started playing early last year and I spent like $250 trying to gatcha for a petite luna. Huge waste of money and I didn't even hit! Really hoping the way to get a vac pet changes because that is quality of life (literally just a few seconds of difference for picking up drops)
Everything that have RNG in this game, not only that freak PSSB need to have pity system, for cubing need to have pity system like kms already, I mean for PSSB you don't need to have pity but give us the whole set and increase price a little bit, or even make those set to be able to buyout with nx within that time rotation, there a lot of ways to improve this and get win-win situations. For those random boxes, I still angry with previous Konosuba collabo, I mean I really love Konosuba but they split everything behind loot boxes, like you wanted full set and you need to roll 3 type of lootboxes to have chance to get "EACH PIECE" , what in the heck who design system like this, I'm ok with paid collabo items but not like this behind this splitting stupid lootboxes, like look I like your game and I love the collabo, and I willing to paid some $ to get it but not like this. In that Konosuba collabo period, let me speak about philo book, first thing first why the heck they put cosmetic items in the actual in-game functional item pool and not to mention, those pool so outdated I really hope for update like soon as possible, like epic CRA piece, I mean it useful, but its not worth the money spend at all at this date. and for last one for now I wish they implement QoL about potential reroll, to be able to choose what line I wanted and auto reroll those for me, like i have 3 stacks of mystical cubes and I wanted my item to tier up from rare to epic with my wanted 2L , to save the time and make less mistake. Edit: and please option to skip those arcane river,grandis story skip in burning world or whatever event world they going to release.
actually agree on the NX system being ass.. playing TOO MUCH every week since the launch of hyperion, almost the only thing i bought was pet vac juste because the nx sets have been junk and i dont want to gamble 50k on a random perm item..
I would 100% buy nx if i guaranteed got what i wanted. Too many times have i bought these11 packs of surprise boxes and only gotten shit. I would rather pay 100k nx for that 11 pack if i could choose every single item
Ive got friends who quit before making it out of early game. And finally have some friends pushing through to mid game and theyre loving it. Theyre making money, fighting harder bosses, and slowly getting legion. Theyre enjoying it now. Its always when people are either hitting that first wall of CRA (vellum specifically) and not having enough meso to make proper gains, getting shafted by the usual rng of maple, they quit. But they also pick classes they dont enjoy or arent good without funding. Its tough man. And hell ive been there. I heavily agree with the Sand box server you mentioned and a starting increase to rates and a hyper burn. It truly would help people make it outta the early game. Oh, and mvp shouldnt be so fucking expensive to tier up and the rewards should be buffed ty. Oh. And the fomo of items expiring is fucking dumb.
Rather than improving vac pets accessibility, I'd propose a core rework of how loot works would be my take on things. I'm aim at creating a "missed loot" system that can hold a limited amount of stuff, like up to 10b meso and 50 unique items (if you pick up an equip of the same type, it stacks). looting items in Maplestory has always been an absurd problem from a design standpoint and should have been tackled directly, rather than them realizing they created a problem that could be monetized.
theres already a tutorial. its called legion grid LOL. Jesus nexon really running their business like its still pre 2009 and wondering why their sales are shit.
Vac pet is great, but not mandatory. Before vac pets was introduced into reboot, people have been using regular pets or even hilla pets for looting and they still managed to reach end game. Personally, i think its not worth it and there are plenty of maps that you can grind without using it
dont forget the auction house if you forget stuff in there it disappears for good i got my friend in the game he dropped like 800$ on permies put a bunch in ah and went black for a few months and came back his stuff was gone
Honestly the reason i don’t want to invest my time in the game is because of how divided the world’s and regions, are and in order to change it you will have to start all over again, its pretty problematic to merge them if they decide to do so in the future, but overall the game is top tier
Instead of granting hyperburns for free, I always felt that providing alternative leveling sources for early game would be better. For instance: The forgotten PQs should be reworked to provide tradeable (account only) EXP tickets instead of EXP rewards that can only be used by sub-200 players. Additionally, the Party Quest Set effects should be reworked entirely to give you cumulative meso and drop effects instead of just damage and party quest EXP boosts. That way you get an easier time leveling for new players that doesn't overtake powerleveling for those with higher Legion, a good foundation with meso and drop gear once new players reach level 200 that doesn't make them overpowered, and most importantly: an opportunity for new Maplestory players to interact with people early on and possibly make friends again. If there's one complaint I hear all the time about Maplestory, it'd be how lonely things feel when you start out.
Going into this video I didn’t think I would agree with that much. After watching it I’m suprised on how well you hit the nail on the head with the issues. You mentioned quite literally my two biggest frustrations with the game. I HATE that stuff can expire. It’s crazy how much stress it adds every event where I’m micro managing when I claim rewards so that I can make sure I actually am gonna be able to use them. I also hate expirations when it comes to real money items. No cosmetics that are paid for with real money should just be able to straight up expire or make you front a cost to keep using them later down the line. There’s also the struggle of having to decide in the moment which character you want to claim event cosmetics on instead of being able to just claim them whenever you unlock them and then transfer them when you have a character outfit idea. The game would be legit so much less stressful and I would spend so much more if those two things got changed. Even right now I’m stuck deciding which characters I want all my damage skin rewards on and who I want to claim the pets on when really the game should just let you store the coupons/item permanently until you have someone/something you want to use it on. This video is good.
I got into the game for Ignition and I got FOMO'd out before hitting 250. It was ridiculously overwhelming to keep track of so many systems, timers, expirations to the point where logging on felt like a chore even though progression in the game does and can feel very enjoyable. I came back now just for the event and some of the reworks and it has eased "some" of that and I been able to hit 250 easily and still not feeling fatigued -- but we getting there. Nexon please remove expirations, so items can stack. and +1 to a single cash shop and pity system
My friend joined and he liked the game but he asked me what to max for 5th job and ect i send him a GOOGLE DOC from the f/p discord 25+ pages he looked at 2 pages and said yeah i cant this is to much stopped at 205
Something that's come up quite often for me while I leveled up my legion and link skills is knowing what is the "basic attack" of a class, aka its mobbing skill. Most of it, for me, is pretty obvious. Some, however, are not as obvious. So I can sort of imagine of how it might be for a new player who has never played any iteration of this game before. I've had two friends who either 1. Only used their mobbing skill from 1st job or 2. Don't know what should go on their hotbar because they don't realize some skills are direct upgrades from previous job advancements. Some classes automatically upgrades or enhances your 1st job mobbing skills the moment you put a point into the new skill, which is nice. I'm just not sure why they don't do that for every class that gets direct upgrades to their skills. Makes it much less confusing for new players as well as reduces their unintentional button bloat.
I agree with the expirations being a huge pain. Nexon added expirations to items after people started to mass create accounts and claim event rewards and stock up to sell on the BM. Imagine buying an account with 1k hours of 3x coupons, 1000+ bonks, etc. I still think Nexon can revisit how expirations are in the game currently so they can be balanced for players while also not being abled to be abused by others.
I dont buy boxes because there is no pity system. I dont roll gacha or philo or any of that because there is no pity system. The lootbox mechanics in this game are severely outdated and many players are not into them anymore. My spending has severely decreased. Today i'm F2P and just buy things I want via auction house in reg server.
I can see a once per account "permanent" hyper burn that is always available and has special rewards that specifically is there to help out new players that is completely separate to event hyper burns and if there is an event hyper burn currently taking place then the event hyper burn will take priority to being consumed over the once per account special hyper burn.
As a new player from Brazil, i tried to push Maplestory to so many friends, but as soon as they see videos like this showing all the problems the game has ESPECIALLY this shit "expiring" system on items AND pets that costs you 100$ (500 BRL here), they give up on even trying to play. The game has so many problems and things that scare people to not even trying to play, that i might just give up trying to recommend it to people. It's true that these events on the last few weeks were very good and that's what is making me try to get to the endgame, but the thing is that playing without a vac pet or meso gear (cause it costs a lot to get) it feels so unfair to do training that i just do dailys arcane, bosses and monster park, then i just play other games until i have these things together to actually play the game "optimally".
I love maplestory and have played on/off since 2009. I find that other MMOs like WoW respect my time and all those reasons you listed make this game feel like a chore which makes me so reluctant to try maple again even if I do want to play
I returned to MapleStory a month ago after not playing for 15 years. This is what I would change; 1. Being able to skip the Story, but keep the Maple. Seriously, why do I have to sit through and spam "interact" on all these story missions I've already seen? Fighting Gloom and the story you're forced to sit through every time is so boring I was contemplating quitting right there. You need to be able to skip through the dialogue on missions after you've seen them once. 2. The Cash Shop being separated by the factions is stupid and very greedy. It's an integrity issue with this one, serves no purpose but to gouge the player base. 3. More UI customization. It's very outdated to have your skills locked to being displayed in the top right corner. Let me put them where I want them like Final Fantasy XIV. 4. Adding the NumPad on keyboard for Key Bindings. Having that extra space for buffs would be so beneficial to a lot of classes that have a mess of abilities across the keyboard. 5. The odds of enchantments and cubes needs to go up. Honestly, is Nexon just trying to piss me off with how pathetic the odds are for me to increase the grade of my items?
I tried to get my girlfriend into Maple. She was going to main Bishop too (just 'cause it looked really cool). Then, she tried to solo Chaos Zakum and was totally put off on how badly designed and unfun it was.
I started playing maple a month ago ish and the gameplay is INSANELY fun. However reading up information on vac pets alone and their importance is what made me quit ultimately. With that cost and upkeep cost alone I can just go fully buy FFXIV with all expansions, get a month of subs. Same with WoW while maple it's just a single pretty much mandatory pet vs an entire game with endless content that won't make me spend extra money just to be effective. To me that's just straight up ridiculously overpriced P2W. Then I also saw how cosmetics in the shop are all temporary rather than permanent. That is absolute garbage and just screams your usual nexon cash grab game they always make. I'd spend hundreds of dollars on cosmetics alone if they weren't all temporary or yet an other insanely pricey cash grab where the permanent ones are only in RNG lootboxes that costs 10x more with no guarantee of getting what you actually want. Maybe one day I'll check the game again. I like your channel to keep updated on how the game's going but right now with vac pets, the awful shop and the insane thousand+ hour grind I'd have to do to just get end game ready on a single main leveling a tonne of characters just ain't worth it.
Yeah i’ve been waiting for a vac pet sale for more than 6 months. Didn’t realise i needed one when I just came back to the game now I have no incentive to grind until I get one (lucky we got a free 30 day one right now). And also i had the same thing with getting a friend to play, he also quit at like 160.
i got my meso/drop gear at like 260+ because before that it feels terrible inefficient and wasteful to train outside of dailies before i hit this level. i didnt see the value/need for meso/drop gear until i got to where I am at because of the vast amounts of meso, xp, and 6th job fragments i need to get stronger. i love how strong and free the dailies for maplestory is
Long ass pre-quests, unskippable storyline cutscenes (explorers for example have like 1h of cutscenes until lvl 100), pay for convenience is so unbearable that the game is basically pay to play (and compared to other games, it's a high cost) so many long time-gated content. Those are some of the reasons that make me not go back to gms and just play private servers with up-to-date-ish content and higher rates instead
Nexon does not understand that not every player is a streamer, they keep adding stuff and you can play at your pace but for get an steady progress you have at least to be 1-1.5 hour a day, but to keep up to the end game you have to spent a lot of time every day. And I agree the wall for new players is very high, the will get overwhelmed even tho they get to 260 because now u have to farm symbols for another year. Even for me that I am already 280, I just get on do some bosses and hop out(pitched waiting room), I am not dealing with level up right now, just waiting 3-4 years to the nerf patches for exp to get stronger and power creep once you said that was the easiest way to get stronger...just wait. Pitched boss items WHY in the h.... they don't make a sort of coins like they did with eternals it's so dumb that I've been running 3 years now alone with 400% drop and never seen a book.
Semi new player perspective here on all points. For reference, I started mid march. I'm currently 251 on Hayato/Path with 7k legion. TLDR; Add drop rates to sprout badge, give all accounts 1 vac pet perm purchase opp, I'm a skin whale who spends nothing here cause of shit SSBS system and locked storage, fuck the cash shop, fuck expiration especially. 1. I hard agree. At character select, you should get a test room that puts you in a small area like Tera Blink and lets you test at job 6. However, i think that would be detrimental to legion. 2. AGREE! They should either make the New Sprout beginner title thing that gives +starforce and +10% xp, also give equivalent to 5 line Meso/Drop gear. I do think overall, cubing for drop gear feels really bad and should just be flat out removed with just having all rates increased by that amount period. 3. I dont think I agree here unless you could delete and remake inwhich case this would function as a psuedo sandbox mode to try classes. 4. Vac Pet... I'm honestly, not sure how i'm going to play the game once it expires because its such a big quality of life improvement. It's so impactful and so important, I may give up on hayato after burning is over and only play explorers cause they have the biggest cash shop and thus it would be the most value. Picking my roster based on this feels REALLY bad though. There should also be 1 per account available for purchase, with no expiration. I also think you should be able to at the very least be able to pay to transfer it to a different cash shop. 5. Playing into the point above, part of the reason i dont participate in fashion story is because cash shops are locked. I'm someone with 1000+ skins on league, and 500+ variants on Marvel Snap and yet I've only spent maybe $30 here on fashion cause its locked and its random. If they made that "free" 11th box from a stack a selectable, they would get way more out of a player like me. 6. Just agree, i dont understand why we cant and it feels mandatory to spend that 5.2m or whatever whenever im making a new character. feels bad. 7. YUP. I don't understand expiring either. As a new player, from minar picnic and last event, i lost out sol erda frags because i didn't have a 260 (still dont) and they expired. I lost out on cubes/flames i had saved up because family stuff came up and didn't log in for a few days and all expired. From last event, 20 3x coupons expired because I don't have time to farm very often with fulltime job and school and wife/son. This i think is singlehandedly, the WORST part of maple especially when you consider that just about everything requires RNG.
i kinda understand the expiration design because it encourages actually using the items to power up instead of massively hoarding. they dont want the optimal way to play the game be hoarding months of resources for one power spike every few months , especially when new players might feel incentivized to save their early game power spikes for late game gains and screw themselves
I wish the Legion system and Link skills was gone or drastically changed. Idk about you, but I really don't want to play classes I don't want to play. Even if it takes 15 minutes to level them to 200, I still don't want to. (Especially now when new characters are padded with hours of unskipable story)
The lack of permanent nx items/pets is very irritating. Who in their right mind wants to pay monthly to upkeep all the pets on 10+ mules. I would make more mules, but I dont want to buy more temporary pets for them. I can hardly keep track of my pets and their expiration dates as it is. Oh, and yes, the hyper rock crap is ridiculous. Either remove them or make them last a month. Another thing that is impossible to keep track of when you use multiple characters.
I think maplestory needs to change PQ back to how they use to be exp sucks now and nobody plays anymore. Maplestory also needs to bring back a lot of quests that use to give cool items like the bamboo hat quest from henesys. They also need to unlock content that use to be there like the Chryse quest lines and the leafre time travel questline because it’s so boring now, and it sucks you can see the content on world map but can’t access because it’s locked.
For me, they need to revamp early game content. All those maps, quests and NPCs are useless.The game now starts at 200 and arcane stones (dailies, what's the point of having all those quests pre 200 ???? I think they should give the 0-200 content more love or remove it all.
The issue with meso and drop gear is rates for items today are now accounting for max drop gear, thus without makes the rates tiny. Like why do i have 300% drop for 3x the drop value and nodes and sol erda drop once every hour, and fragments and symbols, every 2 hours… not if I’m at 0%, am i ever going to get those drop ? The other thing is, why are they capping these rates, there is no reason why my equips can roll over 200% meso in lines but max is 100%
my biggest problem is starforce it has completely demotivated me i like pushing bosses its what i like its why i pushed mythic raiding in wow i like sitting down for hours just going again and again and again at a boss to finally get that kill but no here the steps are Grind for 500 years Tap get 0 gains Try boss again no progress cause 0 gains repeat forever
i promise you that you are definitely not whining when you're simply just asking for qol things that are literally just the standard for all mmos and gachas now, idk how this game is still alive and still has so many archaic systems that people put up with
It is the same game for years now. You are forced to do dailies and weeklies. Same maps same sht. The only changes are for high lvls, and let's be honest not many get to that point anyways. One of the biggest fails is the pqs system. IT IS A ONLINE GAME AND SHOULD BE FUN AND REWARDING TO PLAY WITH OTHERS. Repeating same things over and over again make this game boring asf.
As a returning player, I have some thougts about what made the game hard for me to "catch up". There's just a lot of events with a lot of mechanics and a lot of systems overlaping each other. When you watch a video of a guy leveling a character ang getting 10% xp from killing 1 mob and you think "WTH?!" Then you discover legion bonus xp, mercedes ls, etc. When you see people one shotting bosses at level 210 and want to know what's wrong with your character, then you discover about event buffs, equipment potential, legendary inner abilities... Every month or so you have to learn about a new event and how to capitalize on it while there's another 3 or 4 events happening at the same time. There's too many quests that are kind of "required" for you to progress, specially on heroic servers, quests that will give you pieces of equipment or bonus passive skills... Every character that you level makes it easier, but for a beginner/returning trying to level their first character, it can be a bit overwhelming. Specially after level 200, when the way to level and progress changes, and you feel like you are hardstuck sometimes.
i watched my friend swipe to $200+ get his full dino outfit and ended up missing the shoes. This game NX system preys on bad luck and whales. It should be like Valorant’s system. Where you can buy individual skin pieces for $15-25 each for a gun skin or $75-100 for a bundle for 4 skins and a knife. personally i would almost never buy loot boxes but i would consider it if it copied Valorant.
I'll say it: vac pets are overrated. I got to level 285 with 70k stat on EU Reboot without buying vac pets. If you do a propper loot rotation you can get most of the meso on the map. Sure you might miss a bit, but I still pull like 1.2-1.3b every WAP without legion coupons. Besides that all the big money is in bosses these days and what you get from grinding is pocket change for most people. Sure vac pets are a nice QoL, but in no way are the required for progression or "mandatory to get to endgame".
A biggest thing for me is sht being untradeable. 2016 was when I came back to Maplestory for Reboot and it was fun. I quit for mental health and lifestyle reasons lol, but when I came back, I wanted to try my hand in interactive servers because the last time I was in an interactive server was around 2011. Now that I'm in an interactive server, 90% of items are fcking untradeable anyways unless you PSOK or some sht. Also, I miss the damn FM.
My brother and a friend, two guys who had already played MS before, played for two weeks... then they got burnt out because they've wasted a ton of time on f-ing pre quests ????? why?... just ..why?? why do I have to make a whole questline just to be able TO TRY to beat a boss??..... they're gonna keep it forever? ok. then at least make this whole bunch of bullshit dialogs skippable or at least they run in your screen while you make the damn quest!!! they have the whole Grand Atheneaum system so you can replay some storylines, so why cant I skip it or even play along while the dialogs run in my screen? thats next level stupid shit
my friend got into the game with me cause ive been hyping it up with this dreamer update but hes just not enjoying it due to alot of the things you said but also because the legion grind is just so boring to him. he also has no idea who to main and doesnt want to waste a hyperburn on it
literally no one talks about how terribly this game is designed. literally nearly every system in this game is designed so fucking shadily and it is EXTREMELY obvious tat Nexon doesnt gaf about the state of the game. Nexon has everyone wrapped around their finger. Still gonna play but like damn
I was waiting for you to touch on the starforce system, that for me is the biggest crap in this game. If any system in Maple has made me consider quitting in the last 15 yrs that's it. My solution is simple, give players the option to choose whether the wanna gamble or not. So for example if I want to get my CRA to 22 and don't wanna gamble let me just pay the amount of meso it takes on average to get to 22* along with sacrificing # of pieces of equipment that typically booms to get 22. That would be so much better and players would still have to farm just as much if not more for meso and spares but this way they would be guaranteed to get progress.
Yes I don't buy boxes or Royals because they are a scam as they currently are. I have spent 100$ on royal hair before and got every hair style multiple times and didn't get that hair I actually wanted 1 time, After that I said never again till its changed. If there was a pity system that I could 100% get what I wanted after like 5-10 rolls I would nx out all my characters
At first I thought your first point was odd, but after you explained it I think that would be cool. I typically guess based on yt vids if a class looks fun. The fact that even when we grind our legion and link, we still don't really experience the class is spot on
The game just feels like to much accounting work… and the design seems intentionally frustrating to push you towards convenience in the cash shop… and you stop playing for a bit those conveniences expire… if you’re gonna make a game about levelling alts make it easy to switch between them pets, shared cash shops… also during these levelling events I lose interest after doing the first day of 7x monster park and arcane river dailies… to me the fun is just grinding mindlessly in map for an hour or so but it feels like everything else is more important to do for progress. 😂
hear me out, the whole concept of grinding (mindlessly tapping keyboard buttons for a prolonged amount of time to earn exp) is outdated. - me what's the point of different classes when in the end every class can solo the boss? - my friend
277 here, never had a vac pet and would gladly shell out for a perm one, i refuse to buy expiring vac pets, tbh i refuse to spend money on this game regardless. Simple changes and I would gladly spend some extra cash
I think duky is very wrong about the vac pets. What he suggests its better for the players butin no way is it beneficial for the company since as he mentioned it is kinda mandatory to have a vac pet in the end game which makes it a must buy and you havint to constantly revive it makes it like a subscription with montly income for them. If you make it a one time purchase it would be way worse for nexon in terms of profit also agood example for this is supreme or hermes with their birkin bags. Artificial scarcity is a marketing strategy that has proven itself time and time again so all in all nexon is doing the right thing when it comes to vac pets from their perspective
I have only ever spent probably a max of 50 bucks over the course of a couple years of playing and everytime its all crap. I have regretted buying boxes everytime.But for me the main deterrent for me is the amount of daily content in this game. holy shit, I would never recommend my friend to play this game that plays like a part time job. i've started playing maplelegends and honestly, I love not having any pressure to not log in for the day, or logging in/out whenever i want, grinding for 10 minutes while im waiting on food etc.
Yeah expirable items are aids. This game forces things too much, I let them expire… most infuriating of all is event medal stats expire now which was not a thing before
I'm from Brasil, here the minimum wage is 1412 reais, the vac pet cost almost 550 reais + the monthly fee of 75 reais, it's insanity to buy it, if at least was permanent I would already have bought it, as for the boxes I 100% agree with you
Honestly THE number 1 stupidest thing in the game are rewards being limited to once per character.. The fact that this game punishes me for wanting to play the game MORE and do arcane/mp/sacred dailies on more than one character is insane to me.
if vac pets where perm and like £50 id buy one for each faction 100%
Instead of hiring US based devs, nexon needs to prioritize a US based monetization team. It’s clear every idea is coming straight from Korea which poses natural clashes with East vs west spending styles.
100%
For this dreamer update, I invited a friend to try out the game since its the most rewarding it could be for new player. He was completely new to the MMO genre in general and especially Maplestory (Since he never even heard about it before), throughout the process of him playing I realized how unfriendly Maplestory is to a new player.
Even though Tera Blink did a great job of pushing him to 200, it doesn't left any remarks of any of the game mechanics that it introduced for my friend. In addition, he was not able to recognize one of the most important main gaming loop for maplestory (leveling legion and making links) by himself so the only thing that he does everyday is to hop on do arcane daily, fight RA bosses (daily ones), do monster park and some minigame event then log off (the thing that I told him to do, not the game told him about them). The game fell into a stalemate after level 200 and does not give him any further instruction or give any effort dragging him closer to the main gaming loop.
On top of that, the questing system in Maplestory is outdated. The quest can easily be skipped by just holding down one button so why would the quest tab so hard to navigate and to understand? Some of the quest description is just like "A did something bad and it might cause some problem" without showing a navigation arrow or any instruction in the description of the quest that show the player what they should do, how could a new player know where to go and which NPC to talk to if they never finished the quest before?
Still on topic of questing, the newer quest (Arcane River, New Character story onwards) did fix some of the old problem by giving more instruction but they have the problem of not being consistent, sometime and somewhere in the middle of the questline, after my friend finished the quest it just cuts off, at least it should've give some direction toward where and who to talk to in order to accept the next quest in the questline (The most evident part is in vanishing journey questline, after our playable character fell down from those phoenix birds).
Going into the detail of game mechanic, Maplestory has the same problem as every old-aged MMO has that is ton and ton of functions and game mechanic on top of each another. The problem that my friend is facing right now is "what I should do next", he didn't know about maple guide (Its undoubtable that Maple Guide is extremely helpful but the game does not give it much exposure to the player) so he can only do four RA bosses that was unlocked though the prequest that I show him. He didnt know which quest to unlock which boss nor where to accept them. In addition, the 5th job Matrix was extremely unfriendly alongside with the arcane symbol system, last time I checked he has like over 450 vanishing journey symbols just sitting in his use tab that he didn't use to increase his Arcane Power to help him training.
Other than that, there are billions of other problem that were not as stand out as the mentioned problems above; I completely agrees with Duky for making a tutorial world to familiarize a new player to the game or to just rework the whole New Player Experience (or in this case: "create"; since Maplestory is astoundingly lacks of a proper tutorial).
TL;DR: The questing system sucks, game doesn't give any effort showing new players the main game loop and a severe lack of tutorials.
As a new player, i think the only things that bothers me is the price of a vac pet and price of the nx in general. So, i'm from Brazil, 100 dollars for a vac pet is something like 500 BR$ and it's A LOT here, i wouldn't buy it even if it was 50 dollars, to do some comparation, i bought elden ring for 150 BR$ so yeah, no vac pet for me. The rest of your criticism feel more like something an veteran player would complain about, newer players like most of the features of the game, what makes then quit is the transition of the playstyle from before lvl200 and after lvl200. I almost quite after reaching lvl 210 on multiple characters, the game is so much different after you reach arcane river compared to what it is before you reach it and the game doesn't prepare you at all for this sudden transition. Pre-arcane river you explore, do quests know more about the world and you get rewards for it, after you reach arcane river, all this exploration just become pointless, with the new legion artifact system, we get some incentive to explore more the world even after reaching lvl 200, but it isn't the same
HAha and I'm over here about to break the family's raining day fund jar, with the only complaint being that they release them sooner than later
@@mrutherford1994 i would be considered a whale in this mushroom game if we had local prices. I spend a lot of money on league of legends and definitly would spent hundreds or even thousands of br$ if local prices are a thing. But i don't think a vac pet is worth 3 and 1/3 elden rings lol
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@@franciscom.bodinho2219 preços locais provavelmente nunca vão existir simplesmente pelo fato de que o maple quebra umas 50 leis do código do consumidor, então é praticamente impossível eles trabalharem legalmente aqui
@@Linkinbr eu me liguei nisso quando abri o cash shop e vi as loot boxes KKKKKKKKK
Gacha system are just cash money making machine for companies so it is unlikely to change even for a half-dead game like maple. I would never spend even if there is pity, that is too much of a whale option which supports their current game and hence can't change. I only want to PAY for what I want to GET.
Another point in this video was FOMO or time limited event which predates on player psychology. But in exchange it makes new player not feel like playing the game cause they already 'missed out'. I just joined GMS because I was asked to give it a try and I realised how little time I have left for the current event since I joined so late and all my 150 gears and going to expire soon. Except for a inflated level, I have nothing else to show for and hence once the item expires, I would probably be unable to do the content and thus leave the game. I agree that seasonal events are great but it should not severely impact the gameplay or gatekeep players.
PS: for those for are telling me to do legion/link skills, I am playing because I like that class and has already committed time to it, I am not interested to spend whatever hours and would rather just play a better game. The system should give a much smaller buff for building up other classes as players should be trying other classes for their own curiosity/initiate rather than being be forced to do something.
My friend and I started fresh at the same time. He was a new player, but I was a returning player, so I knew what I was doing.
By the time I had my 2k legion set up and my main character reached 6th job, he was still at level 150 and didn't know what he was doing.
He thought he had to finish every quest in the game and didn't know that you should spam potions, so he was trying to save mana while farming, etc.
I tried to help him, but he insisted that he wanted to explore the game all by himself, so guess what, he quit 🤣
HAHA this is a bummer. Sorry your friend didn’t hang with you. This reminds me of my brother though, we played in 2005-2008 and I remember calling him out so hard for waiting ‘til his HP was at like 15 to use a potion haha!! I was like dude just use it, it’s not worth the risk
I don't/won't recomend MS to anyone until they get rid of NX/event items expiring
As an OG 2005 player, the biggest issue with the game now... The game forces you to play it how it wants you to, All these videos, and having to be a certain level to reach certain areas. When this game first became popular, it was because you start as an explorer and you're in the maple world, you have no idea where to go or what to do but you meet people on the way and everyones adventure was different. Now its lvl 100 in 15min, You have no idea what 1st 2nd or 3rd job is because it passed by so quick, then 200 within the next few hours. Stuck in arcane river until 260 then stuck in sacred maps until lvl 300. It used to be kerning>ludibrium>orbis>aquarium>kft>leafre>etc. an adventure of the full maple word.
I've been on and off Maplestory since 2009, it's the game that I always come back to when I'm not really feeling any other games. A few months after Hyperion was launched, I jumped back in after a year or so break and was super surprised at how much the game had changed BUT also how much hadn't changed (which might be a good thing, I dunno?).
I've always wondered why Nexon add levels rather than doing a level squish and making EXP slightly harder to get. Back in the day, getting to level 100 was a BIG grind and it was super rewarding. Let's say the new cap is level 150. Arcane River starts at say... level 70. Make the EXP curve harsher once you hit 70, just like at level 200 currently. A big job but streamlining classes by combining 2nd and 3rd job could work too. Passives are automatically applied as you job advance, rather than putting skill points into them, The job advancement isn't a short questline but rather it teaches you all the new skills you recieve as you advance, while giving you the option to skip the tutorial if you wish.
I've tried getting IRL friends into the game many times over the years and literally none of them have stuck around because of how daunting the game becomes super early on. The sheer fact that "the game starts at level 200" quote gets thrown around, turns people off because just getting to that is a massive time sink for casual players. Don't even get me started on the Legion and Link Skills system, that's a true time sink.
I'm aware that doing a level squish could mean that maps and towns don't get used anymore but there's enough maps in the game to have a dedicated starting zone for every single class, including the Explorers. The game needs more skippable cutscenes which in turn creates more time grinding, more time hanging with friends, more time running guild activities, less expiration items, more perm NX. I could probably keep going but there's an idea I suppose!
Skippable cut scenes. My friend, who (not to pull the race card) even is Asian, and enjoys Asian-themed / Asian-flared things, was so annoyed at the opening cut scenes & dialog haha!!! And I was like “yeah just spam your skip button through that”. I thought it was bad until I made a Lara 😭 I had to have hit the skip key 1,000,000 times, took like 2 hours to get through the intro dialog
I'm surprised there is no mention of starforce progression or a pitched pity system, do you think both of these are good/fair and shouldn't be changed?
both are good/fair and shouldn't be changed.
i like it
sf is my biggest complaint it is not fun at all its literally only fun for people that like gambling and or are stockholm pilled hard enough to like getting abused by sf like its actually just like a abusive relationship
@@Gamekrayz I'm sorry but starforcing my gear at lvl 150 costing millions on mesos the game simply doesn't give you feels absolutely fucking awful. Completely disagree as a new player myself like I should be able to upgrade my gear while lvling to a reasonable level to do starforce training maps.
@@Gamekrayz If spending 30b to boom your item 4-5 times in a row sounds like a good way to play the game idk man. You have limited time on this planet and you're spending it on a sh*t mechanic called starforce in a 20yo game. This game punishes your hard work and the time you spend on it by reversing your time-gated progression. It's gambling with your precious time in real life for a Korean version nft lmao.
That 15 bucks for 1 month is crazy
I used to pay $15 a month to play World of Warcraft, if that makes you feel better.
Thought about it probably get the Vac pet and farm a sht ton until it expires only revive it when spell trace events are announced lol $15 is just insane monthly subscription to farm meso
15 bucks is normal for a subscription model. vac renewal should cost $15 AND it should come from MVP tiers so that if you are already spending $15 elsewhere, you get the vac for free
I tried to get my boyfriend into Maplestory (he's never played), he really enjoyed leveling different characters, he got about 5 characters to lv100 and got his hyperburning character to 200. 5th job was however too overwhelming for him and he quit. (this was about a year ago)
YOOO Duky I jumped into the stream yesterday and asked how good you feel like Maple is now compared to osms. Between your awesome answers there and even this video, I am learning a lot more about the game and I’m stoked when i find some time to train up my character. I now know I need to look into meso drop gear (and i enjoy this idea). Your content is awesome bro, such a light hearted feel to it. I feel like we’re like college homies cause you’re mad chill HA. Thanks yo
Lets say you are from philiphines or from any other country that don't use USD.
If you aren't high-income or high-class or have a:
REALLY GOOD HOUSE, A Fat bank account, if you would go unemployed you didn't have to worry for like 6 months about money. You can spend money on this game.
If you are a normal person, with a normal job, that can eat out 3 times per week and have a bit of spare money in the end of the month. Is just not worth to spend in maple, really, the game prices are away too expensive (even in USD), 70 dolars for a PNG that has 3 months duration, that you don't own (its not yours, you can only do things that nexon permits you to do with it) and just helps with your farming during 2-3 hours a day? Bro you can just spend this money on a triple-A game and have 300+ hours of pure fun and you won't need to play 10 dolars a month to have more fun. In my country you can buy like 6 months of gym with 70 dolars, you can buy good food for 2 people for almost 3 weeks in supermarket (o even a month if you buy cheaper stuff).
I can't ever recommend a friends to play maple simply because the game FORCES you to spend money and is not worth spending. "Inkwell is listening to us etc", they are doing the bare minimum, I don't see this as something that changed or renovated the MMO scene, they are just doing their homework and getting passing grades while copying their korean friend. Maplestory is not impressive, it does not bring anything new in your life, you can get friends outside of maple and in other games. Maplestory is just a everage game that I can't recommend with good reasons, if anyone with experience in game ask "Does maplestory have a better story than FF14? No" "Does maplestory have better graphics than BDO? No" "Does Maplestory XX? No"
Maplestory simply does not excel in nothing and thats a fact.
I love the mushroom game, I'm playing for around 4-5 months and knew the game before and is just a side game when I have nothing really "good" to play.
Maplestory pre lv.220 feels like one of the most boring single-player video games ever. You just hitting mobs for hours and hours. Especially if you're a new player who doesn't know how to utilize your exp pots/buffs/links/legion/runes. It's like chores or a second job rather than an exciting video game about adventurers. I'd even say that leveling from 160-200 is more boring than a post-arcane river.
I invited my friends to play this game and most of them couldn't get past 200 because it was so boring. These are the same players that once played this game around Big Bang. Their main complaints are that this game lacks a party play element until you reach CRA, lomien. They miss Kerning City sewer PQ, and Monster Carnival PQ. There should be an alternative way to level up for people who don't like grinding. A well-designed party quest or theme dungeon that you can enjoy with your friends. Having to sink 60-100 hours to set up your account grinding ALONE just to start playing this game with your friends seems like a nightmare for new players.
I started playing early last year and I spent like $250 trying to gatcha for a petite luna. Huge waste of money and I didn't even hit! Really hoping the way to get a vac pet changes because that is quality of life (literally just a few seconds of difference for picking up drops)
I wanna be able to customize my UI more
Everything that have RNG in this game, not only that freak PSSB need to have pity system, for cubing need to have pity system like kms already, I mean for PSSB you don't need to have pity but give us the whole set and increase price a little bit, or even make those set to be able to buyout with nx within that time rotation, there a lot of ways to improve this and get win-win situations.
For those random boxes, I still angry with previous Konosuba collabo, I mean I really love Konosuba but they split everything behind loot boxes, like you wanted full set and you need to roll 3 type of lootboxes to have chance to get "EACH PIECE" , what in the heck who design system like this, I'm ok with paid collabo items but not like this behind this splitting stupid lootboxes, like look I like your game and I love the collabo, and I willing to paid some $ to get it but not like this.
In that Konosuba collabo period, let me speak about philo book, first thing first why the heck they put cosmetic items in the actual in-game functional item pool and not to mention, those pool so outdated I really hope for update like soon as possible, like epic CRA piece, I mean it useful, but its not worth the money spend at all at this date.
and for last one for now I wish they implement QoL about potential reroll, to be able to choose what line I wanted and auto reroll those for me, like i have 3 stacks of mystical cubes and I wanted my item to tier up from rare to epic with my wanted 2L , to save the time and make less mistake.
Edit: and please option to skip those arcane river,grandis story skip in burning world or whatever event world they going to release.
actually agree on the NX system being ass.. playing TOO MUCH every week since the launch of hyperion, almost the only thing i bought was pet vac juste because the nx sets have been junk and i dont want to gamble 50k on a random perm item..
I would 100% buy nx if i guaranteed got what i wanted. Too many times have i bought these11 packs of surprise boxes and only gotten shit. I would rather pay 100k nx for that 11 pack if i could choose every single item
Ive got friends who quit before making it out of early game. And finally have some friends pushing through to mid game and theyre loving it. Theyre making money, fighting harder bosses, and slowly getting legion. Theyre enjoying it now.
Its always when people are either hitting that first wall of CRA (vellum specifically) and not having enough meso to make proper gains, getting shafted by the usual rng of maple, they quit. But they also pick classes they dont enjoy or arent good without funding. Its tough man. And hell ive been there. I heavily agree with the Sand box server you mentioned and a starting increase to rates and a hyper burn. It truly would help people make it outta the early game.
Oh, and mvp shouldnt be so fucking expensive to tier up and the rewards should be buffed ty.
Oh. And the fomo of items expiring is fucking dumb.
Rather than improving vac pets accessibility, I'd propose a core rework of how loot works would be my take on things.
I'm aim at creating a "missed loot" system that can hold a limited amount of stuff, like up to 10b meso and 50 unique items (if you pick up an equip of the same type, it stacks). looting items in Maplestory has always been an absurd problem from a design standpoint and should have been tackled directly, rather than them realizing they created a problem that could be monetized.
theres already a tutorial. its called legion grid LOL.
Jesus nexon really running their business like its still pre 2009 and wondering why their sales are shit.
Vac pet is great, but not mandatory. Before vac pets was introduced into reboot, people have been using regular pets or even hilla pets for looting and they still managed to reach end game. Personally, i think its not worth it and there are plenty of maps that you can grind without using it
dont forget the auction house if you forget stuff in there it disappears for good i got my friend in the game he dropped like 800$ on permies put a bunch in ah and went black for a few months and came back his stuff was gone
Honestly the reason i don’t want to invest my time in the game is because of how divided the world’s and regions, are and in order to change it you will have to start all over again, its pretty problematic to merge them if they decide to do so in the future, but overall the game is top tier
I wish more content creators made a video like this. Everything you said is spot on. Thank you for making an amazing video!
Instead of granting hyperburns for free, I always felt that providing alternative leveling sources for early game would be better. For instance: The forgotten PQs should be reworked to provide tradeable (account only) EXP tickets instead of EXP rewards that can only be used by sub-200 players. Additionally, the Party Quest Set effects should be reworked entirely to give you cumulative meso and drop effects instead of just damage and party quest EXP boosts. That way you get an easier time leveling for new players that doesn't overtake powerleveling for those with higher Legion, a good foundation with meso and drop gear once new players reach level 200 that doesn't make them overpowered, and most importantly: an opportunity for new Maplestory players to interact with people early on and possibly make friends again.
If there's one complaint I hear all the time about Maplestory, it'd be how lonely things feel when you start out.
Going into this video I didn’t think I would agree with that much. After watching it I’m suprised on how well you hit the nail on the head with the issues. You mentioned quite literally my two biggest frustrations with the game. I HATE that stuff can expire. It’s crazy how much stress it adds every event where I’m micro managing when I claim rewards so that I can make sure I actually am gonna be able to use them. I also hate expirations when it comes to real money items. No cosmetics that are paid for with real money should just be able to straight up expire or make you front a cost to keep using them later down the line. There’s also the struggle of having to decide in the moment which character you want to claim event cosmetics on instead of being able to just claim them whenever you unlock them and then transfer them when you have a character outfit idea. The game would be legit so much less stressful and I would spend so much more if those two things got changed. Even right now I’m stuck deciding which characters I want all my damage skin rewards on and who I want to claim the pets on when really the game should just let you store the coupons/item permanently until you have someone/something you want to use it on. This video is good.
I got into the game for Ignition and I got FOMO'd out before hitting 250. It was ridiculously overwhelming to keep track of so many systems, timers, expirations to the point where logging on felt like a chore even though progression in the game does and can feel very enjoyable. I came back now just for the event and some of the reworks and it has eased "some" of that and I been able to hit 250 easily and still not feeling fatigued -- but we getting there. Nexon please remove expirations, so items can stack. and +1 to a single cash shop and pity system
My friend joined and he liked the game but he asked me what to max for 5th job and ect i send him a GOOGLE DOC from the f/p discord 25+ pages he looked at 2 pages and said yeah i cant this is to much stopped at 205
Something that's come up quite often for me while I leveled up my legion and link skills is knowing what is the "basic attack" of a class, aka its mobbing skill. Most of it, for me, is pretty obvious. Some, however, are not as obvious. So I can sort of imagine of how it might be for a new player who has never played any iteration of this game before. I've had two friends who either 1. Only used their mobbing skill from 1st job or 2. Don't know what should go on their hotbar because they don't realize some skills are direct upgrades from previous job advancements. Some classes automatically upgrades or enhances your 1st job mobbing skills the moment you put a point into the new skill, which is nice. I'm just not sure why they don't do that for every class that gets direct upgrades to their skills. Makes it much less confusing for new players as well as reduces their unintentional button bloat.
i want them to bring back the old wedding rings! they can charge me real money for it I don't care!
I agree with the expirations being a huge pain. Nexon added expirations to items after people started to mass create accounts and claim event rewards and stock up to sell on the BM. Imagine buying an account with 1k hours of 3x coupons, 1000+ bonks, etc.
I still think Nexon can revisit how expirations are in the game currently so they can be balanced for players while also not being abled to be abused by others.
I dont buy boxes because there is no pity system. I dont roll gacha or philo or any of that because there is no pity system. The lootbox mechanics in this game are severely outdated and many players are not into them anymore. My spending has severely decreased. Today i'm F2P and just buy things I want via auction house in reg server.
revamp damien, lucid and will and remove dynamic rates
I can see a once per account "permanent" hyper burn that is always available and has special rewards that specifically is there to help out new players that is completely separate to event hyper burns and if there is an event hyper burn currently taking place then the event hyper burn will take priority to being consumed over the once per account special hyper burn.
I think all the burns should be perm once you use instead of having a deadline to hit the end of a burn
I dont even interact with the cash shop cuz the lootbox sys
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Honestly link skills should not be limited and also not cost anything should be similar to how the legion pages are now imo
As a new player from Brazil, i tried to push Maplestory to so many friends, but as soon as they see videos like this showing all the problems the game has ESPECIALLY this shit "expiring" system on items AND pets that costs you 100$ (500 BRL here), they give up on even trying to play. The game has so many problems and things that scare people to not even trying to play, that i might just give up trying to recommend it to people. It's true that these events on the last few weeks were very good and that's what is making me try to get to the endgame, but the thing is that playing without a vac pet or meso gear (cause it costs a lot to get) it feels so unfair to do training that i just do dailys arcane, bosses and monster park, then i just play other games until i have these things together to actually play the game "optimally".
brazil mentioned
I love maplestory and have played on/off since 2009. I find that other MMOs like WoW respect my time and all those reasons you listed make this game feel like a chore which makes me so reluctant to try maple again even if I do want to play
About to go into that quest in which you can send a message to the devs and just link this video lmao
The money milking aspect of tthis game lols
And familiar system is wack, ADD RED CARDS!
the game is already amazing as it is now but if these suggestions actually go through, this game would be EPIC
I returned to MapleStory a month ago after not playing for 15 years. This is what I would change;
1. Being able to skip the Story, but keep the Maple. Seriously, why do I have to sit through and spam "interact" on all these story missions I've already seen? Fighting Gloom and the story you're forced to sit through every time is so boring I was contemplating quitting right there. You need to be able to skip through the dialogue on missions after you've seen them once.
2. The Cash Shop being separated by the factions is stupid and very greedy. It's an integrity issue with this one, serves no purpose but to gouge the player base.
3. More UI customization. It's very outdated to have your skills locked to being displayed in the top right corner. Let me put them where I want them like Final Fantasy XIV.
4. Adding the NumPad on keyboard for Key Bindings. Having that extra space for buffs would be so beneficial to a lot of classes that have a mess of abilities across the keyboard.
5. The odds of enchantments and cubes needs to go up. Honestly, is Nexon just trying to piss me off with how pathetic the odds are for me to increase the grade of my items?
niru pt 2
I tried to get my girlfriend into Maple.
She was going to main Bishop too (just 'cause it looked really cool).
Then, she tried to solo Chaos Zakum and was totally put off on how badly designed and unfun it was.
Cash shop account wide. Period.
I started playing maple a month ago ish and the gameplay is INSANELY fun. However reading up information on vac pets alone and their importance is what made me quit ultimately. With that cost and upkeep cost alone I can just go fully buy FFXIV with all expansions, get a month of subs. Same with WoW while maple it's just a single pretty much mandatory pet vs an entire game with endless content that won't make me spend extra money just to be effective. To me that's just straight up ridiculously overpriced P2W.
Then I also saw how cosmetics in the shop are all temporary rather than permanent. That is absolute garbage and just screams your usual nexon cash grab game they always make. I'd spend hundreds of dollars on cosmetics alone if they weren't all temporary or yet an other insanely pricey cash grab where the permanent ones are only in RNG lootboxes that costs 10x more with no guarantee of getting what you actually want.
Maybe one day I'll check the game again. I like your channel to keep updated on how the game's going but right now with vac pets, the awful shop and the insane thousand+ hour grind I'd have to do to just get end game ready on a single main leveling a tonne of characters just ain't worth it.
vac pets are never needed
@@MasterStacona They very much are once you reach an end game point where you have to train to get efficient meso.
@@NolifeXTC maple tour and bosses
i just wish sea merge with global.
Yeah i’ve been waiting for a vac pet sale for more than 6 months. Didn’t realise i needed one when I just came back to the game now I have no incentive to grind until I get one (lucky we got a free 30 day one right now).
And also i had the same thing with getting a friend to play, he also quit at like 160.
i got my meso/drop gear at like 260+ because before that it feels terrible inefficient and wasteful to train outside of dailies before i hit this level. i didnt see the value/need for meso/drop gear until i got to where I am at because of the vast amounts of meso, xp, and 6th job fragments i need to get stronger. i love how strong and free the dailies for maplestory is
i quit when he said league of legend
I would pay more for none rng nx box
Long ass pre-quests, unskippable storyline cutscenes (explorers for example have like 1h of cutscenes until lvl 100), pay for convenience is so unbearable that the game is basically pay to play (and compared to other games, it's a high cost) so many long time-gated content.
Those are some of the reasons that make me not go back to gms and just play private servers with up-to-date-ish content and higher rates instead
Do not search for Eluna Ms on Google. It definitely is not a good private maplestory server
Nexon does not understand that not every player is a streamer, they keep adding stuff and you can play at your pace but for get an steady progress you have at least to be 1-1.5 hour a day, but to keep up to the end game you have to spent a lot of time every day. And I agree the wall for new players is very high, the will get overwhelmed even tho they get to 260 because now u have to farm symbols for another year.
Even for me that I am already 280, I just get on do some bosses and hop out(pitched waiting room), I am not dealing with level up right now, just waiting 3-4 years to the nerf patches for exp to get stronger and power creep once you said that was the easiest way to get stronger...just wait.
Pitched boss items WHY in the h.... they don't make a sort of coins like they did with eternals it's so dumb that I've been running 3 years now alone with 400% drop and never seen a book.
Semi new player perspective here on all points. For reference, I started mid march. I'm currently 251 on Hayato/Path with 7k legion. TLDR; Add drop rates to sprout badge, give all accounts 1 vac pet perm purchase opp, I'm a skin whale who spends nothing here cause of shit SSBS system and locked storage, fuck the cash shop, fuck expiration especially.
1. I hard agree. At character select, you should get a test room that puts you in a small area like Tera Blink and lets you test at job 6. However, i think that would be detrimental to legion.
2. AGREE! They should either make the New Sprout beginner title thing that gives +starforce and +10% xp, also give equivalent to 5 line Meso/Drop gear. I do think overall, cubing for drop gear feels really bad and should just be flat out removed with just having all rates increased by that amount period.
3. I dont think I agree here unless you could delete and remake inwhich case this would function as a psuedo sandbox mode to try classes.
4. Vac Pet... I'm honestly, not sure how i'm going to play the game once it expires because its such a big quality of life improvement. It's so impactful and so important, I may give up on hayato after burning is over and only play explorers cause they have the biggest cash shop and thus it would be the most value. Picking my roster based on this feels REALLY bad though. There should also be 1 per account available for purchase, with no expiration. I also think you should be able to at the very least be able to pay to transfer it to a different cash shop.
5. Playing into the point above, part of the reason i dont participate in fashion story is because cash shops are locked. I'm someone with 1000+ skins on league, and 500+ variants on Marvel Snap and yet I've only spent maybe $30 here on fashion cause its locked and its random. If they made that "free" 11th box from a stack a selectable, they would get way more out of a player like me.
6. Just agree, i dont understand why we cant and it feels mandatory to spend that 5.2m or whatever whenever im making a new character. feels bad.
7. YUP. I don't understand expiring either. As a new player, from minar picnic and last event, i lost out sol erda frags because i didn't have a 260 (still dont) and they expired. I lost out on cubes/flames i had saved up because family stuff came up and didn't log in for a few days and all expired. From last event, 20 3x coupons expired because I don't have time to farm very often with fulltime job and school and wife/son. This i think is singlehandedly, the WORST part of maple especially when you consider that just about everything requires RNG.
i kinda understand the expiration design because it encourages actually using the items to power up instead of massively hoarding. they dont want the optimal way to play the game be hoarding months of resources for one power spike every few months , especially when new players might feel incentivized to save their early game power spikes for late game gains and screw themselves
Omg hi big fan spin
I wish the Legion system and Link skills was gone or drastically changed. Idk about you, but I really don't want to play classes I don't want to play. Even if it takes 15 minutes to level them to 200, I still don't want to. (Especially now when new characters are padded with hours of unskipable story)
The lack of permanent nx items/pets is very irritating. Who in their right mind wants to pay monthly to upkeep all the pets on 10+ mules. I would make more mules, but I dont want to buy more temporary pets for them. I can hardly keep track of my pets and their expiration dates as it is. Oh, and yes, the hyper rock crap is ridiculous. Either remove them or make them last a month. Another thing that is impossible to keep track of when you use multiple characters.
I think maplestory needs to change PQ back to how they use to be exp sucks now and nobody plays anymore. Maplestory also needs to bring back a lot of quests that use to give cool items like the bamboo hat quest from henesys. They also need to unlock content that use to be there like the Chryse quest lines and the leafre time travel questline because it’s so boring now, and it sucks you can see the content on world map but can’t access because it’s locked.
For me, they need to revamp early game content. All those maps, quests and NPCs are useless.The game now starts at 200 and arcane stones (dailies, what's the point of having all those quests pre 200 ???? I think they should give the 0-200 content more love or remove it all.
The issue with meso and drop gear is rates for items today are now accounting for max drop gear, thus without makes the rates tiny. Like why do i have 300% drop for 3x the drop value and nodes and sol erda drop once every hour, and fragments and symbols, every 2 hours… not if I’m at 0%, am i ever going to get those drop ? The other thing is, why are they capping these rates, there is no reason why my equips can roll over 200% meso in lines but max is 100%
my biggest problem is starforce it has completely demotivated me i like pushing bosses its what i like its why i pushed mythic raiding in wow i like sitting down for hours just going again and again and again at a boss to finally get that kill but no here the steps are
Grind for 500 years
Tap get 0 gains
Try boss again no progress cause 0 gains
repeat forever
i promise you that you are definitely not whining when you're simply just asking for qol things that are literally just the standard for all mmos and gachas now, idk how this game is still alive and still has so many archaic systems that people put up with
2 years ago i tried to get my girlfriend to play. she made an aran, and got bored and quit during the tutorial scenes (0-20).
It is the same game for years now.
You are forced to do dailies and weeklies.
Same maps same sht.
The only changes are for high lvls, and let's be honest not many get to that point anyways.
One of the biggest fails is the pqs system. IT IS A ONLINE GAME AND SHOULD BE FUN AND REWARDING TO PLAY WITH OTHERS.
Repeating same things over and over again make this game boring asf.
As a returning player, I have some thougts about what made the game hard for me to "catch up". There's just a lot of events with a lot of mechanics and a lot of systems overlaping each other. When you watch a video of a guy leveling a character ang getting 10% xp from killing 1 mob and you think "WTH?!" Then you discover legion bonus xp, mercedes ls, etc. When you see people one shotting bosses at level 210 and want to know what's wrong with your character, then you discover about event buffs, equipment potential, legendary inner abilities... Every month or so you have to learn about a new event and how to capitalize on it while there's another 3 or 4 events happening at the same time. There's too many quests that are kind of "required" for you to progress, specially on heroic servers, quests that will give you pieces of equipment or bonus passive skills...
Every character that you level makes it easier, but for a beginner/returning trying to level their first character, it can be a bit overwhelming. Specially after level 200, when the way to level and progress changes, and you feel like you are hardstuck sometimes.
i watched my friend swipe to $200+ get his full dino outfit and ended up missing the shoes. This game NX system preys on bad luck and whales. It should be like Valorant’s system. Where you can buy individual skin pieces for $15-25 each for a gun skin or $75-100 for a bundle for 4 skins and a knife. personally i would almost never buy loot boxes but i would consider it if it copied Valorant.
the expiring thing is the worst, all my growth potions expired and it pissed me off so much i had to take a break lmao
I'll say it: vac pets are overrated.
I got to level 285 with 70k stat on EU Reboot without buying vac pets. If you do a propper loot rotation you can get most of the meso on the map. Sure you might miss a bit, but I still pull like 1.2-1.3b every WAP without legion coupons. Besides that all the big money is in bosses these days and what you get from grinding is pocket change for most people.
Sure vac pets are a nice QoL, but in no way are the required for progression or "mandatory to get to endgame".
I would 100% spend money if I could guarantee vac pets and cosmetics I wanted!
A biggest thing for me is sht being untradeable. 2016 was when I came back to Maplestory for Reboot and it was fun. I quit for mental health and lifestyle reasons lol, but when I came back, I wanted to try my hand in interactive servers because the last time I was in an interactive server was around 2011. Now that I'm in an interactive server, 90% of items are fcking untradeable anyways unless you PSOK or some sht. Also, I miss the damn FM.
I think ingame character switching is the first step towards all of this tho 6 months between QoL like this is a little cringe
My brother and a friend, two guys who had already played MS before, played for two weeks... then they got burnt out because they've wasted a ton of time on f-ing pre quests ????? why?... just ..why?? why do I have to make a whole questline just to be able TO TRY to beat a boss??..... they're gonna keep it forever? ok. then at least make this whole bunch of bullshit dialogs skippable or at least they run in your screen while you make the damn quest!!! they have the whole Grand Atheneaum system so you can replay some storylines, so why cant I skip it or even play along while the dialogs run in my screen? thats next level stupid shit
i would kill for permanent pets back, even if they aren’t vac :(
my friend got into the game with me cause ive been hyping it up with this dreamer update but hes just not enjoying it due to alot of the things you said but also because the legion grind is just so boring to him. he also has no idea who to main and doesnt want to waste a hyperburn on it
literally no one talks about how terribly this game is designed. literally nearly every system in this game is designed so fucking shadily and it is EXTREMELY obvious tat Nexon doesnt gaf about the state of the game. Nexon has everyone wrapped around their finger. Still gonna play but like damn
I was waiting for you to touch on the starforce system, that for me is the biggest crap in this game. If any system in Maple has made me consider quitting in the last 15 yrs that's it. My solution is simple, give players the option to choose whether the wanna gamble or not. So for example if I want to get my CRA to 22 and don't wanna gamble let me just pay the amount of meso it takes on average to get to 22* along with sacrificing # of pieces of equipment that typically booms to get 22. That would be so much better and players would still have to farm just as much if not more for meso and spares but this way they would be guaranteed to get progress.
Yes I don't buy boxes or Royals because they are a scam as they currently are. I have spent 100$ on royal hair before and got every hair style multiple times and didn't get that hair I actually wanted 1 time, After that I said never again till its changed. If there was a pity system that I could 100% get what I wanted after like 5-10 rolls I would nx out all my characters
At first I thought your first point was odd, but after you explained it I think that would be cool. I typically guess based on yt vids if a class looks fun. The fact that even when we grind our legion and link, we still don't really experience the class is spot on
The game just feels like to much accounting work… and the design seems intentionally frustrating to push you towards convenience in the cash shop… and you stop playing for a bit those conveniences expire… if you’re gonna make a game about levelling alts make it easy to switch between them pets, shared cash shops… also during these levelling events I lose interest after doing the first day of 7x monster park and arcane river dailies… to me the fun is just grinding mindlessly in map for an hour or so but it feels like everything else is more important to do for progress. 😂
hear me out, the whole concept of grinding (mindlessly tapping keyboard buttons for a prolonged amount of time to earn exp) is outdated. - me
what's the point of different classes when in the end every class can solo the boss? - my friend
277 here, never had a vac pet and would gladly shell out for a perm one, i refuse to buy expiring vac pets, tbh i refuse to spend money on this game regardless. Simple changes and I would gladly spend some extra cash
I think duky is very wrong about the vac pets. What he suggests its better for the players butin no way is it beneficial for the company since as he mentioned it is kinda mandatory to have a vac pet in the end game which makes it a must buy and you havint to constantly revive it makes it like a subscription with montly income for them. If you make it a one time purchase it would be way worse for nexon in terms of profit also agood example for this is supreme or hermes with their birkin bags. Artificial scarcity is a marketing strategy that has proven itself time and time again so all in all nexon is doing the right thing when it comes to vac pets from their perspective
You should level to 299 so that nexon will take you seriously.
First!
I have only ever spent probably a max of 50 bucks over the course of a couple years of playing and everytime its all crap. I have regretted buying boxes everytime.But for me the main deterrent for me is the amount of daily content in this game. holy shit, I would never recommend my friend to play this game that plays like a part time job. i've started playing maplelegends and honestly, I love not having any pressure to not log in for the day, or logging in/out whenever i want, grinding for 10 minutes while im waiting on food etc.
Have you even played the game recently? you can easily knock out dailies in like 30 minutes
Shouldn’t have made the 1-120 grind so easy, kpq ludi pq etc etc so much content wasted
Yeah expirable items are aids. This game forces things too much, I let them expire… most infuriating of all is event medal stats expire now which was not a thing before
One time purchase for vac pet I'd actually buy one the constant renewal is why I will never buy one. I'll reach end game without it.
Remove equipements boom chance? no progression is meh. negative progression is a total turn off for any casuals player away.
I'm from Brasil, here the minimum wage is 1412 reais, the vac pet cost almost 550 reais + the monthly fee of 75 reais, it's insanity to buy it, if at least was permanent I would already have bought it, as for the boxes I 100% agree with you
brazil mentioned
Honestly THE number 1 stupidest thing in the game are rewards being limited to once per character.. The fact that this game punishes me for wanting to play the game MORE and do arcane/mp/sacred dailies on more than one character is insane to me.
This is a very good point.
If they fixed the rng system i would be satisfied.
for me honestly game takes too long, exp feels like it doesn't move despite the curves and maps get very stale because of that
I think there is too many power systems. Potential, scrolls, legion, linkskill, etc