i dont care if his analysis was right, doing that to a teammate especially a rookie is not a good look. i think the hawks have been trying to trade trae for a while but no team wants to give that much. the stories we hear about trae and how he has had teammates dislike him make more and more sense.
There literally no stories about Trae teammate disliking him, also Trae never said anything negative directly about Zacc, he spoke broadly about the draft and thrown shade Alex Sarr...... unfortunately, Paul George podcast put a picture of Zacc in the thumbnail which make seem like Trae was talking about him. but in video itself Trae didn't mention Zacc when said what he said. This guy "Sporting Logically" went even further with the click baiting with a thumbnail that really made it seem Trae was talking about Zacc. This guy has made a bunch of negative videos on Trae and the Hawks.
@draetone5602 there was stories about Collins and him not getting along and that was years ago. There was stories about murray also. So your clearly bias, there was way to many stories on them not to notice
@@Zorohudson And Trae and Collins disputed them. There was a report Trae and Collins had an argument but nothing citing they had beef or issue with other. That doesn't exist. There is no story about Trae and Murray beefing at all. but there are reports of Murray being toxic in general, but we don't know the details of that.
@@DeeJay_VII Except time and time again, it doesn't work because that game doesn't translate to winning rings unless your name is LeBron James. Also the method in which you're holding the ball also matters; something people can't seem to grasp. LeBron was(and still sometimes is) an unstoppable force going towards the rim and(mainly during playoff time) capable of playing some defense. Trae is smaller, less capable defensively, and isn't an elite 3 point shot maker on a game to game basis on, but he'll be sure to shoot those 34 footers and take the air out from under his teammates 😂
@@UncleJrueForTue u do realize who u play with matters as well right? Everyone doesn’t have to be a LeBron they can be a number 2 or play with a great team around them & win
@@UncleJrueForTue I agree with this sentiment fr but I do think Luka fits into this category. I mean he went to the finals, i would say hes a winning player. Especially last finals where he was pretty good on defense until the Boston series where everyone on the team was bad. But Luka shot like 83 percent at the rim this last playoffs, which is good to have when your three isnt falling (his three wasnt falling lol)
The thing about heliocentric players is that you have to be really, really good to justify that play style. Trae Young is good, don't get me wrong, but compare him to Luka or peak James Harden. Luka just went to the Finals. At one point, playing Harden-ball was a guaranteed 55+ wins. Trae Young's heliocentric style has led to between 35 and 43 wins every year. Not nearly the same result as those guys. It's a style of play that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, so if you're going to do it, you'd better be historically great at it.
Not the same type of player, but a similar impact. Both can make a bad team better and a good team worse. Not today’s Westbrook, mind you. Father Time has caught up to him. I am talking about Westbrook from 3-5 years ago.
Trae Young will be 26 next season same age as SGA but the narrative is so different as far as where they are at in their careers. Trae will be fine. The Murray experience didn’t work like they thought and they had to reboot. Nobody hated on Luka when they missed the playoffs in 23.
Wonder if the main reason for Atlanta having mainly role players on their rosters is that stars and superstars don't want to go and play along side Trae so the Hawks can't go out and get them
Not super related to the video but truly believe Trae’s best landing spot is in Orlando next to Paolo surrounded by defenders. I think that could really change the narrative around him
Orlando does need a table setter but they don't need one THAT ball-dominant. Paolo looks like a future top 10 player, everything runs through him and Franz.
Trae young isn't selfless like those 2. He gets a ton of assists cause he's in a heliocentric offense not cause he's a willing passer. He wants to score just as much if not more and only passes when he can't get to his own shot.
@@itsgl00my88 ridiculous take, imo. The original comparison was bad-he has similarities for sure but obviously he's more heliocentric like a LeBron or James Harden than Steve Nash-but he currently averages the 4th most assists per game for a career _ever_ (unless I'm mistaken). You don't get 11 APG without being a willing passer. He has almost every pass in the book too, at least for his height. He _constantly_ throws lobs, essentially creating a 50/50 between his floater and an alley-oop which forces the two defenders involved to commit one way or the other. Of course, if they don't defend his floater, he's going to take it, but that doesn't mean he's not a willing passer: that just means he's taking what the defense gives him. It'd be one thing if he averaged 30 and 10 and the team's offensive efficiency was actually bad, but the Hawks had one of the best offenses in the league last season even despite Trae's having a slow start and dealing with injuries.
It's obvious you guys misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying he needs to move towards that type of style because it would truly help him elevate his game.
@@BlueGrovyle I've seen Trae young pass more to get an assist than to set up the right play more often than not. He's not passing to someone who swings it for that hockey assist or making the pass that may not result in his assist but gets the defense in motion as much as he's pounding the ball and passing it. That's a reason someone like lebron for example only averages 7 assists cause he's not just passing for assists he's gonna make the pass that leads to the right play even if it's not off his direct assist. I'm not saying he's a bad passer or anything like that, he has the gift for passing, but I wish pound the ball pass basketball in Atlanta and he was more willing to play off the ball. Like Jalen Johnson running the offense and him moving off the ball for some sets would be really good.
Luka is head and heels better then Trae .luka can get any shot he wants and get to any place on the court.. Trae is super inefficient with his shooting.. matter of fact since they change the rules for drawing fouls from jumping into players... he as not adjusted and struggles alot
He is by no means the most controversial player in the NBA. Those awards would go to Ja, Draymond, Miles Bridges and Pat Bev up until recently. His true skill level could be considered most controversial.
My impression is that Trae still has the good old "ego with no self awareness" issue a lot of young stars end up dealing with. That's why he's easily compared to Harden and Westbrook. Personally I'm reminded of Kyrie and how he's been flourishing after finally turning the leaf and realizing it's not all about him. His response to the All-NBA thing really says it all. He's playing on a team that's not making play-offs and he thinks he's being excluded because he's so dominant that coaches around the league despise him, despite the fact that none of the other stars that are as good/better than him are getting this treatment.
I think a coach like Eric Spoelstra could get him to play better off ball but the heat primarily would want him to be on ball. I think trey would trust coach spo in preaching off ball strategies. Trey never had a coach nowhere near the caliber of Eric spoelstra I think there would be a high respect Factor there.
Not to defend Trae, but no player will sell himself short, even the humblest of them. I'm sort of glad that he takes this position, and both fans and analysts can react as they wish. Love him, hate him, or don't care about him, it then becomes interesting to see how it will all play out. Characters like Trae make the NBA fun, because if everyone responds like a manicured/massaged press release then the league will be all vanilla. If the Hawks do get their act together and win, then props to them. Until then, let's sit back and enjoy the show.
@@4ktkaram395 90th in the league in TS%. 118th in eFG%. He just shoots a lot. And he is a contender for worst defensive player in the history of the NBA.
Totally agree and that's okay.. Trae gotta get a better bag.. all he has ever had was shooting ans that was in college not playing with pros he is average or below at best
@@AnnoyedArchaeology-fm2 you don’t look at raw stats to determine a players value. Hes shot below league average for guards his entire career. While having the worst assist/turnover ratio in the league. Also is by far the worst defender in the league
@@thuggwaffle8825 and you ignoring never playing with a current all NBA defender none of his teammates shooting over 38% from 3 his entire tenure and no 20 PPG scorers except JC's 1 year
Hes never included because defense is half the game and his numbers there are a big negative. To say nothing of how rebounding impacts winning and how his contributions there are minimal. No hes not the most underrated/underappreciated "star" in the league. Far from it. This honor would fall to guys whose elite skill and value are on the defensive side of the ball. A guy perhaps who's always ridiculed and hated by the national media.
5:02 and that’s what separates him from players like Bron KD AD and his idol Curry… they can still be dominant without the ball in their hand. Trae is not only a traffic cone on defense he’s invisible on offense if he doesn’t have the ball
I feel like you missed it on this one. Trae said he thinks he is better off with high quality defenders because he can make everybody better. He talked about Risacher being a "high quality defender". If anything I'd say this interview establishes the view internally and from Trae that the recipe is defensive role players around Trae Young as a focal point. The analytics put Daniels in a class of his own on ball. Johnson is a stud defensively. Okongwu is one of the best switching bigs. Again check the analytics. The team is deep on defense and Trae young is Auto offense.
Since we are being honest, if Steph Curry didn’t become a generational player, Trae wouldn’t be in the league. Before Steph, a small, bad defender, shot chucker wouldn’t last more than a season in the league.
He's also an elite playmaker though. He's averaged over 9 assists every season since his rookie year. He got 11 last season and 10 the two seasons prior to that.
Hawks messed up. They drafted like they are in FULL rebuild mode. But holding on to Young only makes sense if they want to compete for a championship now. That French kid needs at least a few years before he can help them do any real winning. And since you’re not getting back full price for Young, I’d of probably just traded that pick to the Jazz and tried to get back Markkanen and Kessler.
Similar to what i said Bam and Butler would let him be 1st option in the regular season they happily do it. Sniper Robinson right next to him as well Ware our new center ready to block anyone who comes into the paint bam and butler on defense as well that's a nice team.
Why don’t people like Trae? Cause he barely plays defense and exploits the offensive rules as much as possible. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good player but he’s also not a hard player to hate. Kind of the same path as Harden, really, with less drama.
The real concerns with Trae has always been maturity, patience, and the Atlanta FO/ownership. Trae is best on ball, but he should have wrinkles where he can operate off ball. He's always had a win now attitude (not a bad thing) that can rub teammates the wrong way (especially referring to them as role players). From the outside, the FO has always been a shit show of cohesiveness; conflict in team building philosophies between GM and ownership. 6 seasons later they finally realize he needs wing depth. Can't just have a bunch of guards. The inefficient narrative doesn't add up.. Team is top 5 in offensive efficiency every year. He's got the same shortcomings and TO prone-ness as every other star offense player. Lebron, Luka, KD, Book, Jokic. All have seasons with 4+ TO a game It doesn't add up. If you zoom out, He's a generational offensive player. Never really had a elite squad around him and that's just kinda it... Happens to alot of players. Zoom in on his shortcomings, sure they're valid concerns. But its not enough to deny his talent. But people like to have something to hate.
Trae is also a role player, and his role is instant offense on the ball. For me, he will only have long term success in a good team as a high level bench scorer like Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry or an early James Harden in OKC.
I think Trae Young's isoball approach has hurt Atlanta much more than he's helped them. I also think you're kind of underrating the roster because they've been at least better than 2/3 of the teams in the league as far as their talent goes. IMO. They're not up there with the championship contending teams from either conference but they're in the group under that and I think for that group they've underachieved. A lot of the fault lies with Trae Young. 😊
He’s not wrong everybody said this class was trash, he’s just being candid. If he can be Brandon Clarke with a jumpshot I’m pretty happy with that despite him going #1 Trae has never played with another star and it’s typical for star players to want to play with stars (LeBron/Curry are the best of the generation and played with the best also). If Trae leaves I hope Hawks get a great return
Trae Young is NOT the most controversial player in the NBA right now. Might be one of the most polarizing bc of popular opinion but he isn’t really controversial
The book on Trae says ball dominant inefficient grenade launcher. His arrogance(most players are) doesn't help. I'll never forget the year after that brilliant playoff run he strolled into msg with shoes that said "King of Broadway" and then got spanked. Arrogant non winners will face an uphill battle
Zach might end up being a borderline All-star but Reed would have been a better fit alongside Trae. He doesn't NEED the ball to be effective. Trae is an above average playmaker and passer and he would have looked great with Reed beside him.
After watching the interview, as a Hawks fan now I know why other players hate him and why we're having a hard time signing free agents. Trae is so full of himself and I felt embarrassed and say that he's kind of a dick the way he answered some of the questions.
I really think trae young is one of the most SKILLED players in the game (I’m saying “one of” not “THE” , I’m saying I think skill wise he top 25). One of the better shooters from long distances. One of the better players when it comes to play making.. but, the way he thinks, his limitations on his size, his ball dominant ways, not great offball, makes his fit anywhere hard and hard to win with him, I feel the same way with Russ later in his career, and Colin sexton, I think they are very skilled guys but at that/this point of their careers their styles make winning basketball and a cohesive team nearly impossible.
If anyone tells you that trae young sucks you need to immediately stop talking basketball with them just because you don’t like someone game doesn’t mean you can take away from their greatness
Trae is shooting below league average eFG%, FG% and 3PT% and the playoffs are another horror show by itself. Just because you averaged a lot of points does not mean you are killing the other team. He didnt think maybe teams love it when you shoot below average against them and they can take advantage of your lack of defense every play. The easy thing is to say they are just hating on me.
Idk if this is a hot take, but when I watched them play last year, it was Murray that was the best player on that team, and seeing them plat live, it wasn't really that close.
The idea that there aren't two alll star caliber players in this draft is false and narrative bullshit pushed by espn. The last "worst draft" in the last decade had jokic and giannis. Bad narrative, don't include it with solid analysis
One can argue that the Hawks' front office have not done a great job building the roster around Trae, but Trae is clearly not good enough to truly get them far. I would argue that there are other stars in this league that could better with the roster he has.
Sorry, he is simply a gunner imo, not playing the overall team game. I'd trade him for a first rounder, top 10 protected, that's about it. As an example, I'd rather have Brunson than Young on my team.
I always wounder how these players would go in better systems with more talent. For me the hawks finish pretty relative to their talent their 30-40 win team not bad enough to tank not good enough to push. My question is where dose Trae go when hes a free agent (if hes not traded) where would he fit well? Spurs? Would they even want him?
He's not necessarily wrong but it comes off as him trying to say that this guy is just a role player and I'm still the star of the team. It doesn't matter if he was the number one pick because this was the role player draft and I'm Trae Young. Adidas always been about himself and it really feels like nothing's changed. He'll probably turn out to be right but he's got this kid on his team who has just been told by him that he's a role player.
@@elderassassin9673 I don't think anyone wants him. Dude gets paid 43 mil a year and there's no way we're getting a superstar back if we trade him (Unless we give up even more picks) and even if we did trade him, the guy(s) we'd get back wouldn't be enough to replace the offense he gives so we'll probably end up with a losing record which gives the spurs (Who have our picks for the next 3 years) better trade value or high picks in the draft. He's gonna be with us for a while.
He's 100% wrong lol.. there's been worse drafts lol. The guys in this draft are talented they just don't have any name value...we've had supposed "stacked" draft classes with majority turning out to be busts. This bold coming from Trae who's team is regressing each year
@@ricoransom2001 I don't think what you're saying is necessarily right. I was all over the draft coverage for months and what I see is a class that is one of the worst in a long time. Of course good players will come out of it bye I don't see anybody at the top of this draft that is a must-have player. Time will tell.
@@bookaufman9643 the 2011 class was supposed to be "stacked" and only 3 players from that draft amounted to anything lol.. y'all go by what the media says a bunch of these guys have shown in this draft that they're NBA ready
This whole role player/star player mentality is the reason why these players are always on bad teams. The best players don't care who is a star or who is a role, they just see a job that needs doing and they do it. Steph doesnt care that he is the GOAT shooter, he willingly played bait and just shot spot ups for Team USA. Lebron plays the Draymond Green role on his team, he rebounds and passes more than he scores. Giannis always does the dirty work and defends the other team's best player. MJ and Kobe outworked everyone else on their team all the time.
A true "me" guy with a diva complex, obviously totally untouched by reality. Poor man's James Harden riding on that one year that Philly lost that 2nd round, Atlanta didn't win it. Will end up like Kemba Walker.
A bit of a walking contradiction , you say Trae’s comments aren’t wrong but weird referring to his teammates as role players, so basically his comments are weird but not wrong?
I get where Trae Young is coming from. He hasn't had someone like a Paul George or LeBron James or Jason Tatum as teammate. Dejounte Murray is hardly a role player though. As for the new rookie class, time will tell if anyone is a star or if it is just role players. There isn't that guy who stands out above all as a LeBron James type of guy, but even the worst draft classes ever have had one or two guys who ended up being pretty good. I do think that him saying this about someone who is about to be his own teammate though is a little disrespectful. Nobody knows what he will be in 3-5 years. A Bust... possible. A good starter... possible. A borderline all star? Possible. All NBA superstar? Possible. One thing that a draft cannot tell is how hard someone is willing to work to get better and to prove people wrong. Sure, they probably don't have a franchise guy with this pick in Atlanta. But he could still become a damn good player. Most likely, I don't think Trae Young finishes this season in Atlanta. I think he wants out. I am sure that some team desperate to make a splash will swing for Trae Young. Heat, Suns, Nuggets, Lakers, Jazz, Wolves...I could see trying to make a move to get him, trying to either get into the playoffs or because they are trying to see if they can make a push to go for a deep run team. But, long term, Atlanta is probably better off trading him away. Give themselves a chance for more draft picks and cap space in the long run.
Did you even watch the full interview? Or are you purposefully nitpicking to make a viral video? Trae clearly stated he hasn’t even met Zach yet, and hasn’t really even seen him play. He also said he thinks sarr is going to be great, but not sure if he will be the wizards 1st option.
Trae Young proved how unselfish he can be when he was the main distributor in game seven against the Sixers in 2021 and let Kevin Hurter. But i see you choose not to include that because it hurts the narrative you want to spin about Trae Young. He has areas to grow no doubt, but ya'll act like he's a diva dragging his team down when thats not the case.
Luka can get to anywhere on the court and has a better court iq... so there is that and luka is 6'7 240... so of his shot isnt falling he can bully ball players ... trae is a hairline loosing streaky shooter who is ineffective most of the time... plus luka is usually the best player on the court.. Trae has never been thought of as the bwst player on the court.. maybe when the knicks didnt have Brunson he was lol @antoniojames9493
Trae Young gets a lot of hate although he is right about his draft class maybe he should have not phrased it like that 😅 Honestly with Trae he needs to be on a team that has defenders around him really Orlando would be a perfect fit for him but it seems like they don’t want to take the ball out of Paolo hands The only other option is maybe Miami but they don’t have the draft capital the Hawks would want
but these podcasts and constant media environment create these kinds of comments. It sounded like a casual conversation between Trae and PG. They can't control what they say at all times. they're human. And then everybody's quietly waiting for some dumb thing to surface like this and then make some buzz with it as if something was revealed about who Trae (or another) really is inside. it's all very artificial. I'm not a Hawks fan but I hope things will be good between Trae and the rookie
Trey is just not scary. Like he doesnt come off as like we need to stop him. Its more like guard him and all but him going off wont always hurt u. Then attack him when hes on defense like everytime you more than likely win most games.
Is he right? Perhaps but he you kinda force him to be in that situation because you yourself are the star player so how will he become more than what you believe he is as a role player if you the star player?
bro you are straight capping saying Harden just gets assists because he had a high usage. complete casual take. harden is one of the best passers of all time. easily top 20
Trae Young: I can make anybody better.
Dejounte Murray: 👀
They basically didn't play on the same team when they were on the floor together haha
I mean he did average a career high in points lol just wasn’t a great fit cuz DJ not a SG
@@ChaposShootathey don’t wanna talk about that. Regardless off how good a defender Murray is you need some size around Trae
@@SportingLogically There wasn't any synergy between em. But..DJ did have is best statistical year of his career. Got alot of catch and shoot 3's in.
@@SportingLogically dejounte is much better than trae coming from a hawks fan.
i dont care if his analysis was right, doing that to a teammate especially a rookie is not a good look. i think the hawks have been trying to trade trae for a while but no team wants to give that much. the stories we hear about trae and how he has had teammates dislike him make more and more sense.
There literally no stories about Trae teammate disliking him, also Trae never said anything negative directly about Zacc, he spoke broadly about the draft and thrown shade Alex Sarr...... unfortunately, Paul George podcast put a picture of Zacc in the thumbnail which make seem like Trae was talking about him. but in video itself Trae didn't mention Zacc when said what he said. This guy "Sporting Logically" went even further with the click baiting with a thumbnail that really made it seem Trae was talking about Zacc.
This guy has made a bunch of negative videos on Trae and the Hawks.
@draetone5602 there was stories about Collins and him not getting along and that was years ago. There was stories about murray also. So your clearly bias, there was way to many stories on them not to notice
@@Zorohudson And Trae and Collins disputed them. There was a report Trae and Collins had an argument but nothing citing they had beef or issue with other. That doesn't exist.
There is no story about Trae and Murray beefing at all. but there are reports of Murray being toxic in general, but we don't know the details of that.
Trae is so ball dominant that it's impossible for anyone else to be anything but a role player
People said the same shit abt Luka & Harden so stop it with this argument man if u put real talent around him they will perform
Unless it’s like 99% of the time then that’s not true. It’s dumb fucking argument
@@DeeJay_VII Except time and time again, it doesn't work because that game doesn't translate to winning rings unless your name is LeBron James. Also the method in which you're holding the ball also matters; something people can't seem to grasp. LeBron was(and still sometimes is) an unstoppable force going towards the rim and(mainly during playoff time) capable of playing some defense. Trae is smaller, less capable defensively, and isn't an elite 3 point shot maker on a game to game basis on, but he'll be sure to shoot those 34 footers and take the air out from under his teammates 😂
@@UncleJrueForTue u do realize who u play with matters as well right? Everyone doesn’t have to be a LeBron they can be a number 2 or play with a great team around them & win
@@UncleJrueForTue I agree with this sentiment fr but I do think Luka fits into this category. I mean he went to the finals, i would say hes a winning player. Especially last finals where he was pretty good on defense until the Boston series where everyone on the team was bad. But Luka shot like 83 percent at the rim this last playoffs, which is good to have when your three isnt falling (his three wasnt falling lol)
The thing about heliocentric players is that you have to be really, really good to justify that play style. Trae Young is good, don't get me wrong, but compare him to Luka or peak James Harden. Luka just went to the Finals. At one point, playing Harden-ball was a guaranteed 55+ wins. Trae Young's heliocentric style has led to between 35 and 43 wins every year. Not nearly the same result as those guys. It's a style of play that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, so if you're going to do it, you'd better be historically great at it.
Agreed
Trae young and his situation going on right now reminds me of Westbrook's situation from a few years ago
Not a bad comp!
Not at all. Traes young…
Well the thunder were at least a playoff team
Not the same type of player, but a similar impact.
Both can make a bad team better and a good team worse.
Not today’s Westbrook, mind you. Father Time has caught up to him. I am talking about Westbrook from 3-5 years ago.
@@tims4502 well said
Trae Young will be 26 next season same age as SGA but the narrative is so different as far as where they are at in their careers. Trae will be fine. The Murray experience didn’t work like they thought and they had to reboot. Nobody hated on Luka when they missed the playoffs in 23.
Trae and PG were talking about how these players would fit alongside HIM.
No one is building a team with Trae as their number 1. Hawks can't even trade him to the Lakers
nah i heard the whole thing. It was about all them being role players lol
@@blablablaa14it’s not that hawks can’t trade him there it’s that lakers package would be crap
And?
@@liamgjaltema5189 Hawks can't trade him. Literally no one will offer anything meaningful for that failure
Wonder if the main reason for Atlanta having mainly role players on their rosters is that stars and superstars don't want to go and play along side Trae so the Hawks can't go out and get them
Trae is a star no matter how you look at it
Trae young is unarguably an all star player that could be a superstar. The superstar part is arguable
All star yes superstar no
Not super related to the video but truly believe Trae’s best landing spot is in Orlando next to Paolo surrounded by defenders. I think that could really change the narrative around him
Orlando does need a table setter but they don't need one THAT ball-dominant. Paolo looks like a future top 10 player, everything runs through him and Franz.
The shade is unreal, love it.
trae young is a mark price/ steve nash player so he need to be on a team like that
Trae young isn't selfless like those 2. He gets a ton of assists cause he's in a heliocentric offense not cause he's a willing passer. He wants to score just as much if not more and only passes when he can't get to his own shot.
He’ll no
@@itsgl00my88 ridiculous take, imo. The original comparison was bad-he has similarities for sure but obviously he's more heliocentric like a LeBron or James Harden than Steve Nash-but he currently averages the 4th most assists per game for a career _ever_ (unless I'm mistaken). You don't get 11 APG without being a willing passer. He has almost every pass in the book too, at least for his height. He _constantly_ throws lobs, essentially creating a 50/50 between his floater and an alley-oop which forces the two defenders involved to commit one way or the other. Of course, if they don't defend his floater, he's going to take it, but that doesn't mean he's not a willing passer: that just means he's taking what the defense gives him. It'd be one thing if he averaged 30 and 10 and the team's offensive efficiency was actually bad, but the Hawks had one of the best offenses in the league last season even despite Trae's having a slow start and dealing with injuries.
It's obvious you guys misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying he needs to move towards that type of style because it would truly help him elevate his game.
@@BlueGrovyle I've seen Trae young pass more to get an assist than to set up the right play more often than not. He's not passing to someone who swings it for that hockey assist or making the pass that may not result in his assist but gets the defense in motion as much as he's pounding the ball and passing it. That's a reason someone like lebron for example only averages 7 assists cause he's not just passing for assists he's gonna make the pass that leads to the right play even if it's not off his direct assist. I'm not saying he's a bad passer or anything like that, he has the gift for passing, but I wish pound the ball pass basketball in Atlanta and he was more willing to play off the ball. Like Jalen Johnson running the offense and him moving off the ball for some sets would be really good.
Calling all those guys role players, that would be funny af if some of those guys actually become better players than Trae in the long run
@@Liverpool-wi4lb i think that was reflected in the teams who wanted Dejounte vs who wanted Trae.
They won’t
@@armontimuzic6785 im sure u know the future
@@Liverpool-wi4lbthey won’t
Well they wont so whats your point goofy
If Luka don’t play off ball don’t expect Trae to
Luka is head and heels better then Trae
.luka can get any shot he wants and get to any place on the court.. Trae is super inefficient with his shooting.. matter of fact since they change the rules for drawing fouls from jumping into players... he as not adjusted and struggles alot
He is by no means the most controversial player in the NBA. Those awards would go to Ja, Draymond, Miles Bridges and Pat Bev up until recently.
His true skill level could be considered most controversial.
My impression is that Trae still has the good old "ego with no self awareness" issue a lot of young stars end up dealing with. That's why he's easily compared to Harden and Westbrook. Personally I'm reminded of Kyrie and how he's been flourishing after finally turning the leaf and realizing it's not all about him.
His response to the All-NBA thing really says it all. He's playing on a team that's not making play-offs and he thinks he's being excluded because he's so dominant that coaches around the league despise him, despite the fact that none of the other stars that are as good/better than him are getting this treatment.
I agree. I've always thought Trae has a little more maturity to get that will improve his game.
I think a coach like Eric Spoelstra could get him to play better off ball but the heat primarily would want him to be on ball.
I think trey would trust coach spo in preaching off ball strategies. Trey never had a coach nowhere near the caliber of Eric spoelstra I think there would be a high respect Factor there.
I don't view Trae as someone Spoe and Pat would want
The media hates on Trae Young. His roster around him isn't good.
It wouldn’t matter how good they were, he’d make them worse by being ball dominant.
@@snarkmark2806ya said the same shit about Harden & Luka so shut up
his defense isnt good
@@DeeJay_VIIAnd look where it gets them
His roster is good
Not to defend Trae, but no player will sell himself short, even the humblest of them. I'm sort of glad that he takes this position, and both fans and analysts can react as they wish. Love him, hate him, or don't care about him, it then becomes interesting to see how it will all play out. Characters like Trae make the NBA fun, because if everyone responds like a manicured/massaged press release then the league will be all vanilla. If the Hawks do get their act together and win, then props to them. Until then, let's sit back and enjoy the show.
I like how this guy only makes 8 minute videos 😂
Trae Young is a role player. 3rd best player on a championship team, at best.
27 and 11 is a superstar lol
@@4ktkaram395 90th in the league in TS%. 118th in eFG%. He just shoots a lot. And he is a contender for worst defensive player in the history of the NBA.
@@4ktkaram395 there's like 50 other players averaging 20pts per game. Trae stat padding on a trash team doesn't help his case
Totally agree and that's okay.. Trae gotta get a better bag.. all he has ever had was shooting ans that was in college not playing with pros he is average or below at best
Atlanta hoped he would become Steph Curry-esque. He never became remotely close and they’re paying for it
He put up 26+ and 10 4 straight years Steph never did that
@@AnnoyedArchaeology-fm2 so what you saying is you would rather have him than Steph? I hope you know we are already seen what Steph can do.
@@AnnoyedArchaeology-fm2 you don’t look at raw stats to determine a players value. Hes shot below league average for guards his entire career. While having the worst assist/turnover ratio in the league. Also is by far the worst defender in the league
@@thuggwaffle8825 and you ignoring never playing with a current all NBA defender none of his teammates shooting over 38% from 3 his entire tenure and no 20 PPG scorers except JC's 1 year
Even if Risacher was Wemby 2.0, he's a rookie, he's going to be a role player beside Trae this season.
??? If wemby 1.0 was on Atlanta Trae was getting shipped
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Hes never included because defense is half the game and his numbers there are a big negative. To say nothing of how rebounding impacts winning and how his contributions there are minimal.
No hes not the most underrated/underappreciated "star" in the league. Far from it. This honor would fall to guys whose elite skill and value are on the defensive side of the ball. A guy perhaps who's always ridiculed and hated by the national media.
5:02 and that’s what separates him from players like Bron KD AD and his idol Curry… they can still be dominant without the ball in their hand. Trae is not only a traffic cone on defense he’s invisible on offense if he doesn’t have the ball
Finally some basketball content worth talking about 😂 been Barren Davis out here
I feel like you missed it on this one. Trae said he thinks he is better off with high quality defenders because he can make everybody better. He talked about Risacher being a "high quality defender".
If anything I'd say this interview establishes the view internally and from Trae that the recipe is defensive role players around Trae Young as a focal point. The analytics put Daniels in a class of his own on ball. Johnson is a stud defensively. Okongwu is one of the best switching bigs. Again check the analytics. The team is deep on defense and Trae young is Auto offense.
We’ll see if it translates to anything this season.
Trae should not be the focal.. he is like KP when he went to boston... just not a good 1st option all the time.. but a reliable 3rd option for sure
@@-1oveGg But he is useless without the ball
Players should just continue lying. Telling the truth bothers people.😂😂
Since we are being honest, if Steph Curry didn’t become a generational player, Trae wouldn’t be in the league. Before Steph, a small, bad defender, shot chucker wouldn’t last more than a season in the league.
terrible rage bait omfg
He's also an elite playmaker though. He's averaged over 9 assists every season since his rookie year. He got 11 last season and 10 the two seasons prior to that.
Terrible take. That type of player has been around for a long time. Iverson is regarded as one of the best players of all time and he fit that mold
@@kdtrey5isabeastexactly people always just assume Curry is the 1st 😑
Kinda dumb, aren't ya?
Hawks messed up. They drafted like they are in FULL rebuild mode. But holding on to Young only makes sense if they want to compete for a championship now.
That French kid needs at least a few years before he can help them do any real winning. And since you’re not getting back full price for Young, I’d of probably just traded that pick to the Jazz and tried to get back Markkanen and Kessler.
Bring him to Miami Villans thrive here and our stars don’t like having the ball in their hands to succeed
Similar to what i said Bam and Butler would let him be 1st option in the regular season they happily do it.
Sniper Robinson right next to him as well
Ware our new center ready to block anyone who comes into the paint bam and butler on defense as well that's a nice team.
The hate comes from shredding his coaches publicly. The coaching brotherhood keeps receipts
Trae has been getting this hate since college. People don’t like his game.
Without Trae Young the hawks are the worst team in the NBA
Why don’t people like Trae? Cause he barely plays defense and exploits the offensive rules as much as possible. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good player but he’s also not a hard player to hate. Kind of the same path as Harden, really, with less drama.
The real concerns with Trae has always been maturity, patience, and the Atlanta FO/ownership. Trae is best on ball, but he should have wrinkles where he can operate off ball. He's always had a win now attitude (not a bad thing) that can rub teammates the wrong way (especially referring to them as role players). From the outside, the FO has always been a shit show of cohesiveness; conflict in team building philosophies between GM and ownership. 6 seasons later they finally realize he needs wing depth. Can't just have a bunch of guards.
The inefficient narrative doesn't add up.. Team is top 5 in offensive efficiency every year. He's got the same shortcomings and TO prone-ness as every other star offense player. Lebron, Luka, KD, Book, Jokic. All have seasons with 4+ TO a game
It doesn't add up. If you zoom out, He's a generational offensive player. Never really had a elite squad around him and that's just kinda it... Happens to alot of players.
Zoom in on his shortcomings, sure they're valid concerns. But its not enough to deny his talent.
But people like to have something to hate.
Trae is also a role player, and his role is instant offense on the ball. For me, he will only have long term success in a good team as a high level bench scorer like Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry or an early James Harden in OKC.
I think Trae Young's isoball approach has hurt Atlanta much more than he's helped them. I also think you're kind of underrating the roster because they've been at least better than 2/3 of the teams in the league as far as their talent goes. IMO.
They're not up there with the championship contending teams from either conference but they're in the group under that and I think for that group they've underachieved. A lot of the fault lies with Trae Young. 😊
I would've traded him not Murray
@@elderassassin9673 I think they probably tried and most likely they would have expected a Rudy Gobert kind of pay off that nobody was offering them.
He’s not wrong everybody said this class was trash, he’s just being candid. If he can be Brandon Clarke with a jumpshot I’m pretty happy with that despite him going #1
Trae has never played with another star and it’s typical for star players to want to play with stars (LeBron/Curry are the best of the generation and played with the best also). If Trae leaves I hope Hawks get a great return
That role player went higher than him in the draft
Weaker class. Apples to oranges
A rare trae young video appears in the wild
Trae Young is NOT the most controversial player in the NBA right now.
Might be one of the most polarizing bc of popular opinion but he isn’t really controversial
Embiid comes first to mind
Literally the exact same thing. 🤫
Tucker is progressing from just calling Trae an overrated chucker to saying maybe he's not that bad but will still not be a Hawk
The book on Trae says ball dominant inefficient grenade launcher. His arrogance(most players are) doesn't help. I'll never forget the year after that brilliant playoff run he strolled into msg with shoes that said "King of Broadway" and then got spanked. Arrogant non winners will face an uphill battle
Zach might end up being a borderline All-star but Reed would have been a better fit alongside Trae. He doesn't NEED the ball to be effective. Trae is an above average playmaker and passer and he would have looked great with Reed beside him.
Trae, you're 7th best player in contender level team
Cap
Atlanta is a contender?
when has atlanta put like actually good talent beside him excluding murray?
Trae Young is a role player 🤷♂️
After watching the interview, as a Hawks fan now I know why other players hate him and why we're having a hard time signing free agents. Trae is so full of himself and I felt embarrassed and say that he's kind of a dick the way he answered some of the questions.
I’d say “polarizing”
the reason he looked over is because despite being top 10 offensively he is literally dead last defensively
I really think trae young is one of the most SKILLED players in the game (I’m saying “one of” not “THE” , I’m saying I think skill wise he top 25). One of the better shooters from long distances. One of the better players when it comes to play making.. but, the way he thinks, his limitations on his size, his ball dominant ways, not great offball, makes his fit anywhere hard and hard to win with him, I feel the same way with Russ later in his career, and Colin sexton, I think they are very skilled guys but at that/this point of their careers their styles make winning basketball and a cohesive team nearly impossible.
If anyone tells you that trae young sucks you need to immediately stop talking basketball with them just because you don’t like someone game doesn’t mean you can take away from their greatness
Trae is shooting below league average eFG%, FG% and 3PT% and the playoffs are another horror show by itself.
Just because you averaged a lot of points does not mean you are killing the other team. He didnt think maybe teams love it when you shoot below average against them and they can take advantage of your lack of defense every play.
The easy thing is to say they are just hating on me.
Idk if this is a hot take, but when I watched them play last year, it was Murray that was the best player on that team, and seeing them plat live, it wasn't really that close.
This is why Trae’s teammates don’t like him.
The idea that there aren't two alll star caliber players in this draft is false and narrative bullshit pushed by espn. The last "worst draft" in the last decade had jokic and giannis. Bad narrative, don't include it with solid analysis
The suns should have traded for Trae young instead of KD and Beal. Imagine Trae and D book that would dope
One can argue that the Hawks' front office have not done a great job building the roster around Trae, but Trae is clearly not good enough to truly get them far. I would argue that there are other stars in this league that could better with the roster he has.
Sorry, he is simply a gunner imo, not playing the overall team game. I'd trade him for a first rounder, top 10 protected, that's about it. As an example, I'd rather have Brunson than Young on my team.
I always wounder how these players would go in better systems with more talent. For me the hawks finish pretty relative to their talent their 30-40 win team not bad enough to tank not good enough to push. My question is where dose Trae go when hes a free agent (if hes not traded) where would he fit well? Spurs? Would they even want him?
I'm curious if Atlanta gives him a max or decides to trade him
He's not necessarily wrong but it comes off as him trying to say that this guy is just a role player and I'm still the star of the team. It doesn't matter if he was the number one pick because this was the role player draft and I'm Trae Young. Adidas always been about himself and it really feels like nothing's changed. He'll probably turn out to be right but he's got this kid on his team who has just been told by him that he's a role player.
If im the front office im trying to trade him they traded the wrong player if you ask me
@@elderassassin9673 I don't think anyone wants him. Dude gets paid 43 mil a year and there's no way we're getting a superstar back if we trade him (Unless we give up even more picks) and even if we did trade him, the guy(s) we'd get back wouldn't be enough to replace the offense he gives so we'll probably end up with a losing record which gives the spurs (Who have our picks for the next 3 years) better trade value or high picks in the draft. He's gonna be with us for a while.
He's 100% wrong lol.. there's been worse drafts lol. The guys in this draft are talented they just don't have any name value...we've had supposed "stacked" draft classes with majority turning out to be busts. This bold coming from Trae who's team is regressing each year
@@ricoransom2001 I don't think what you're saying is necessarily right. I was all over the draft coverage for months and what I see is a class that is one of the worst in a long time. Of course good players will come out of it bye I don't see anybody at the top of this draft that is a must-have player. Time will tell.
@@bookaufman9643 the 2011 class was supposed to be "stacked" and only 3 players from that draft amounted to anything lol.. y'all go by what the media says a bunch of these guys have shown in this draft that they're NBA ready
Trey Young playing off the ball is a stupid idea.
Says who? He could do it if he tries.
How? Any team with more talent and winning aspirations, that’s what he would have to do. Unless you think he could lead a team a championship.
This whole role player/star player mentality is the reason why these players are always on bad teams. The best players don't care who is a star or who is a role, they just see a job that needs doing and they do it. Steph doesnt care that he is the GOAT shooter, he willingly played bait and just shot spot ups for Team USA. Lebron plays the Draymond Green role on his team, he rebounds and passes more than he scores. Giannis always does the dirty work and defends the other team's best player. MJ and Kobe outworked everyone else on their team all the time.
A true "me" guy with a diva complex, obviously totally untouched by reality. Poor man's James Harden riding on that one year that Philly lost that 2nd round, Atlanta didn't win it. Will end up like Kemba Walker.
Why nobody ever mentions Jalen Johnson?
For predominantly black cities ATLANTA, CHICAGO, DETROIT to not be NBA finalists every year is Treasonous actually smh
The Hawks should have kept Luka.
Turns out that defense also matters
you can't say you never had a star around you but you appear to be stunting the players growth around you.....
A bit of a walking contradiction , you say Trae’s comments aren’t wrong but weird referring to his teammates as role players, so basically his comments are weird but not wrong?
I get where Trae Young is coming from. He hasn't had someone like a Paul George or LeBron James or Jason Tatum as teammate.
Dejounte Murray is hardly a role player though.
As for the new rookie class, time will tell if anyone is a star or if it is just role players. There isn't that guy who stands out above all as a LeBron James type of guy, but even the worst draft classes ever have had one or two guys who ended up being pretty good.
I do think that him saying this about someone who is about to be his own teammate though is a little disrespectful. Nobody knows what he will be in 3-5 years. A Bust... possible. A good starter... possible. A borderline all star? Possible. All NBA superstar? Possible. One thing that a draft cannot tell is how hard someone is willing to work to get better and to prove people wrong.
Sure, they probably don't have a franchise guy with this pick in Atlanta. But he could still become a damn good player. Most likely, I don't think Trae Young finishes this season in Atlanta. I think he wants out.
I am sure that some team desperate to make a splash will swing for Trae Young.
Heat, Suns, Nuggets, Lakers, Jazz, Wolves...I could see trying to make a move to get him, trying to either get into the playoffs or because they are trying to see if they can make a push to go for a deep run team.
But, long term, Atlanta is probably better off trading him away. Give themselves a chance for more draft picks and cap space in the long run.
"Holds the ball a lot and plays no defense" 🤔Sounds like another player I know
you say you appreciate the honesty but go ahead and say "it's a weird thing to say publicly" 5 times in 20 seconds.
'Murica at it's finest...
Did you even watch the full interview? Or are you purposefully nitpicking to make a viral video? Trae clearly stated he hasn’t even met Zach yet, and hasn’t really even seen him play. He also said he thinks sarr is going to be great, but not sure if he will be the wizards 1st option.
Yes, Trae. Don't be shy in showing your true colors. Snake.
Being honest does not make one a snake
Trae Young proved how unselfish he can be when he was the main distributor in game seven against the Sixers in 2021 and let Kevin Hurter. But i see you choose not to include that because it hurts the narrative you want to spin about Trae Young. He has areas to grow no doubt, but ya'll act like he's a diva dragging his team down when thats not the case.
Trae Young is a great player the raptors would be better with him I think just as an example.
Trae sounds a bit like the kid at school "I'm not bad, I'm just never picked in the good team"
He is tho
One thing needs to be said about Trae Young and the Hawks. They could’ve had Luka Doncic.
Hell, they are basically the same Damn player😆 Ball dominant and trash on D
Luka can get to anywhere on the court and has a better court iq... so there is that and luka is 6'7 240... so of his shot isnt falling he can bully ball players ... trae is a hairline loosing streaky shooter who is ineffective most of the time... plus luka is usually the best player on the court.. Trae has never been thought of as the bwst player on the court.. maybe when the knicks didnt have Brunson he was lol @antoniojames9493
Trae wants a free trade to the Lakers, even Hawks including picks to the Lakers
He will be shipped west soon. The idea is to have him Run. Problem, dude will not guard anyone. To say a rookie is a role player, is not bad speaking.
I think this was the reason the spurs didn't go all in on him. a selfless / selfish player
Trae Young gets a lot of hate although he is right about his draft class maybe he should have not phrased it like that 😅
Honestly with Trae he needs to be on a team that has defenders around him really Orlando would be a perfect fit for him but it seems like they don’t want to take the ball out of Paolo hands
The only other option is maybe Miami but they don’t have the draft capital the Hawks would want
I think this draft class has the potential the be the worst class since 2013, but you never know, maybe a Giannis will come out of this class.
If Trae had a 50 40 90 season people would shut up but he’s not Steph
but these podcasts and constant media environment create these kinds of comments. It sounded like a casual conversation between Trae and PG. They can't control what they say at all times. they're human. And then everybody's quietly waiting for some dumb thing to surface like this and then make some buzz with it as if something was revealed about who Trae (or another) really is inside. it's all very artificial. I'm not a Hawks fan but I hope things will be good between Trae and the rookie
Trae is a great offensive player but he just does not put in the work on the defensive side
Trey is just not scary. Like he doesnt come off as like we need to stop him. Its more like guard him and all but him going off wont always hurt u. Then attack him when hes on defense like everytime you more than likely win most games.
Free Trae Young. Generational offensive Player and he stuck in ATL
generational my as, dude is turning 26, Luka at 21 is way above him
PLEASE trade him so the Spurs can jump into the top 4 in 2025.
@@Johnny.Natural 26 and 9 for his career 🤫
@@4ktkaram395 I guess you think Westbrook and Harden were generational as well, you do know generational is only MJ, LeBron and Wemby, Wilt before him
@@Johnny.Natural harden yes, Westbrook no
Ball dominant primary playmakers don't win chips. Even someone like Lebron has only won 3.5 in 20, so Trae hasn't got a chance playing like he does.
So basically Trae is not a great leader. That's cool and all, but not cool for a franchise player who is looking to win rings
Let’s be honest they’re the worst team to make the conference finals in the last 10+ years at least.
Dejounte Murray is not that guy
Is he right? Perhaps but he you kinda force him to be in that situation because you yourself are the star player so how will he become more than what you believe he is as a role player if you the star player?
ZR can take it personally and grow into a star but no shit Trae isn’t already ranking ahead this pick over JJ lol jesus
bro you are straight capping saying Harden just gets assists because he had a high usage. complete casual take. harden is one of the best passers of all time. easily top 20