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- DJI Avata 2 FCC Mode Hack Info and Guide
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Great video as always, you are a treasure to the drone community, truly 🥳
Really interesting indeed! Thanks, Ian! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Perfect information to the point as always. Thanks a lot for sharing👍🏻🤩
The CE Avata 2 has amazing range now without any mod as it uses tri-band radio and MIMO. If you put the Avata 2 in FCC mode I'm presuming it removes the 5.1Ghz band that the CE drones have access to but FCC doesnt, 5.1Ghz is a very quiet band and the Avata 2 outputs 200mW in this band. Also the CE Avata 2 uses 2.4Ghz @ 100mW. (Permitted in CE areas)
The difference between CE and FCC range might not be as significant as it once was . DJI have effectively worked around the age old CE output power problem by dynamically switching between 3 bands depending on RF conditions. It's very clever.
Hi Andy, I hope your well. Yes DJI does now use the 5.2ghz band, In fact they actually started to do it on the Avata and O3 after once of the later firmware releases. As you say this band is much less congested than say 5.8Ghz however it is also started to be used for WiFi as well but only on the latest standards.
It’s great to see and with longer wavelength it should offer a little better performance mw to mw over 5.8. However I would still expect the big jump in power to 33dbm to be very noticable improvement especially in complex environments.
The Avata has never been a long range drone so more than anything the power is helpful where people are wanting to fly in concrete/rf restrictive environments.
There is a lot of big changes to the RF behaviour of O4. It’s massively more dynamic than O3 in both rf power and channel selection. It’s frankly incredible that it’s able to move a 60Mhz carrier half way across the 5ghz band and the user not even see a stutter on the screen.
There is still a lot to understand but it’s looking good.
I agree that CE mode works pretty well. a few years ago it was clear to notice if you were in CE or FCC mode - now it's harder to notice.
Mabye if you go out really far, the MBps stay up on 60 longer in FCC mode with more power?
Also I could go thru a lot of trees and bushes with CE mode, wouldnt have worked in prior video links...
didn't see it using 5.1ghz tho...
Goggles3: 2400-2480MHz (small bandwidth, control protocol?)
MotionRC: 4800 - 4950MHz (very smal bandwidth used obviously - RC protocol)
Avata2 comm?: 3300MHz - 3415MHz
O4 Video (on CE mode): 5765-5824MHz (~60MHz high bandwidth and duty cycle!)
Hi Ian, good thanks!
Yeah I know, it's really clever isn't it, I was shocked at the range out of the box, flying through a woodland and out the other side, that's what got me interested about what was going on, being a HAM Radio guy and all!
I agree 33dBm(2.0W) is a massive power increase over 14dBm(25mW), not quite as much over 23dBm (200mW) in a quieter band but it's gonna be interesting to test this and I look forward to your findings.
Keep up the great vids!😁
@andykirby hay I want to know how you have found it not pissing with rain or windy to allow you to fly 😂, man the weather here has been a crap show for weeks.
Awesome! Thanks mate!
plot twist... dji owns dronetweaks. 😂
That’s 😂
that was seriously my first thought
Great Content!
Ok after few videos and post i figured it out ( hopefully i did) first after unpacking and activation, i only updated the the Avata 2 and my remote controller 3 thats it! I left my Goggles alone on the old firmware and just went for test flight to see if i can fly or be restricted due to still running old fw etc! So thats good news ! Then ofcourse i droped HAM file on sd and into the goggles and magic i have 3 channels in manual mode 60hz . Without the ham its locked in auto ! Insert it back bam again 3 channel s hope this helps.
Good work, keep going.
Thanks buddy! 👍✌️
Ok I tested today and the answer is YEEES. The speed limit in EU is gone and AVATA 2 has fuill power now + FCC signal. Thank you to Dron Tweaks, i will never update the Avata 2 firmware now
That seems great. What speeds are u getting ?
Make a video about it an you will get a lot of clicks!😂 thanks!!
How do you see avata 2 is in FCC?
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
warrenty and dji care gone too if you crash using 3rd party app, that part sux
makes sense Ian! I've had my test sample only for a few days, and while the early firmware didn't have the special flip modes, it automatically went into FCC mode for me (since I have those files on all my SD cards per default).
after the firmware it was like you show, greyed out and performin a little less good around the corner ;)
does it void the care refresh or warranty in any way?
Thank you 🎉
So if we get a brand new Avata 2, do we need to boot the drone up using the normal DJI Fly app then uninstall it to reinstall the DroneTweaks app? Or do we just start with the DroneTweaks app?
Thanks Ian for your testing. I guess this is the only way right now.
You rock!
Hello Ian, such a great video and grateful for all the effort you put into this ‘forensic’ approach!
I just got my Avata 2 one day and today maid my first ‘maiden flight’ in Normal and Sport mode. Such a great drone it is! However I flown quite some years with my Mavic Air 1, this is my first FOV-like drone. I don’t think I need to fly in Manual mode and will use the motion controller. In this case do you think I will also gain more power and remove the speed limits with this hack or will you only benefit when in Manual mode? Thank you in advance for your response! Regards, Nick
Hi Ian, thank you for this info! It would be nice to see some test flights in the same environment with CE and FCC modes.
The dji website mentions the maximum speed (in manual mode) is limited to 19 m/s. Did you test this already? And if it's true does this hack remove that speed limit?
I am also interested I am in EU and the Avata 2 is useless here in acro mod, the power is totally limited (around 35-40%) less power, you can not even brake the drone after dive. For example it starts to hover with minimum 65% throttle, that is unexpecteble and dangerous to fly in manual. Please tell me that this fcc hack unlocks this as well 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I would like to know that too. :(
Me too
Ok I tested today and the answer is YEEES. The speed limit is gone and AVATA 2 has fuill power now + FCC signal. Thank you to Dron Tweaks, i will never update the Avata 2 firmware now 😀😀😀😀
@@MobilniReziser THANKS! with the app in FCC, does the speed return to Avata 1?
Do you need the drone tweaks app to make it so you do not have to connect the phone?
Excellent review of the Avata 2 features and teardown, Ian. What's your impression that the RC FPV 3 is missing the 5.8 GHz, is it problematic?
@mad labs, Firstly your content has been so helpful to this fpv newbie so thank you for that. Please could you help me with a related problem? I have just built my first 03 build and no matter what I do, I can't get the fcc ham hack to work on my V2 goggles. I'm in the Netherlands and I've tried everything. New SD card and also tried downgrading the firmware on the AU and goggles but no joy. You are the man with knowledge so wondered if you could give me any tips? Thank you so much!
Any way to determine the camera/ 04 air unit dimensions?
Wonder if yet another round of new frames will be needed
I will be pulling the sensor out soon as with the Avata DJI shared the same camera module between the Avata and O3 so it will give us an indication. However I will stress there is nothing to say DJI will actually use this camera in O4 it may be just to large.
Hello. How you install the new fcc fly app in the googles?
Thank you for this. What a hassle for FCC in Europe. This makes me want to wait to buy Avata 2 until a more permanent FCC fix comes out such as we have for the Avata 1
how is a one-time procedure not "permanent" enough for you?
Hi. I have updated goggles 3, avata 2 and mc 3 to latest firmware in order to not cause any unwanted situations while on the flight. FCC mode was enabled after applied drone tweaks. You don't need to connect fly app before every flight. Just one time is enough to keep in FCC mode. Thank you drone tweaks.
i vote for More avata 2 videos. This power topic fcc vs ce is important if you are living in eu.
This limitation in CE region depends by the goggles or the air unit? I mean, when G2/Intergra will be compatible with Avata 2, the ham unlock will be ok or ignored? And this could mean will be the same with O4 air units?
Perhapa, there is also a rumour that avata 2 will be compatible with older goggles version in a month or so.
Thanks for this video as this info does confirm DJI drones are in FCC mode in Australia.
How did you confirm that?
@@irhuz8683 Transmission range and multi channels when using the file in the SD card
Will this app remove the Speed limit in Europe?
Hii, i buy fcc dji fly and make ham file.. Before in CE it was only automatic, now in FCC i can put manual and have many channels but I always have automatic, I don't know which one to choose..
Hello, does anyone here have any idea of why I cannot get the "country code not updated" warning on the Avata 2 to go away.
Can't get this to work i have a freshly formated sd card. Used notepad ++ to create the file and adding it to the sd card I'm powering up googles first then motion 3 and last the avata 2. Still only get 19m/s. :(
Hi Mads, any idea how I can get out of AUTO mode? I am located in the Netherlands.
Hi Mads - thx. a lot for you good information and effort you put in your channel 🤘I write her because I can't charge the DJI Awata 2 CHARNG HUB with my Power Bank (Anker 735 PRIME 200 watt) when I use USB C - only on the SLOW USB A -> do you know how to fix / hack this issue ? (on my DJI Mini 3 PRO there is no problem). Thx. in advance !
Hi, I was wondering if someone knows if using a hack (even if it's just a command) and using the modified DJI fly app, may affect DJI not accepting a refund with DJI Care Refresh ?
does this work for dji fpv
Thanks Ian, just waiting on mine to be delivered; smashing deal 20% off at Very on the fly more combo (very convenient coupon drop by them!). I'd be interested to find out what the codec is on the new o4, and wonder if the new ocusync chip has hardware AV1 encode and decode.
If you used Very Pay, all I can say is.. Ouch.
Is it me is there only one channel available on the 2.4 GHz range
The link only leads to a list of drones which include the avata 1. Does it also work with the 2 then even though it is not listed umong many other drones?
Hey, just wondering, does putting it into FCC mode while in Europe violate any terms and conditions? Would it be a problem if i ever needed to use my dji flyaway coverage?
It’s unlikely to affect DJI warranty however there is no grantee.
Ask me a question, I'm in the CE region (Portugal) and I have free channel mode selection for manual selection. From what the video shows, doesn't that mean it's already in FCC mode? What's more, if I add the ham file, it gives me extra channels. I took it out of the box last night and I still haven't updated it or made any connections to the DJI Fly app modified by Drone Tweaks.
Maybe you got a lucky one? Did you check if you are in the speedlimit in manual mode?
One question: Can you fly it without connected it to the DJI App?
@@Fabi1394. Can I activate manual mode even if I don't have the conventional control? I just have the "movement" one. Yes, I use it without connecting it to the APP, I just connected it to the APP to activate the equipment
@@p3DRu88 I dont think so, you actually need the fpv remote 3 for the manual mode.
Good to know, thanks!
I'm in Germany. I took mine out of the box and updated firmware on avata, goggles, joystick and controller. Flew today and in Manual its limited to 19,7m/s. I've just tried ham file and it does NOT put it into FCC mode or open up the channels.
@@dark-mattahyou should not update your goggles firmware. The latest update is what killed the ham file hack. I just got my A2 today just activate mine via FlyApp and skip the update portion. Then insert the SD card with HamFile worked like a charm
Great info. Does it increase the top speed in M as well?
Yes it does, according to comment MobilniReziser posted above.
@@mariokotlar303 Thanks, good to know.
I got the avata 2 hoping it would have better range than the avata. I live in EU so CE mode. I mostly fly in the woods, and was very disappointed since the range was more or less exactly as bad. I have the Avata/Integra combo and never got drone tweaks or ham-file to improve the range. I doubt it works with that combo. Anyway, with the avata2/googles3, drone tweaks work! And it works fantastically well! Couldn’t be happier! 🥳
on android or ios? if android which version?
I also want to know: what firmware are you on? Drone tweaks android or iOS. Do you have the ham file + drone tweaks or drone tweaks only?
@@remakesession6253 iOS. Ham+drone tweaks
Thank you great vid! I got the avata 2 it is great outdoor but indoor it has this horrible drift to any direction.
Basically uncontrollable to fly.
This does happen when goggles or drone do not have GPS satellite locked.
Indoor basically uncontrollable unusable.
I will contact DJI about it. I try to troubleshoot.
I am in CE area. EUROPE.
MATE you seem to be very deep in the DJI drone topic unlike anyone I have seen on YT.
Are you able to help?
Mate great Video. Also I did check your stream last might about the goggles and the Antenna 📡 layout
There is no help. What you are describing is exactly what should happen when it does not have GPS...
are you flying in a well lit room? Without GPS the drone relies solely on its downward and backward positioning sensors which needs allot of light to work. Hope that helps.
Flew mine around the house today, no gps but it was completely stable.
Oh where is the recording button on the goggle 3 like on the goggles V2. Thanks.
Sadly no hw button.
how do I know if the ham file worked in my avata 2? how many channels should I see
You should see 3 in 40/60Mhz mode.
Actually today i tested for the first time avata 2 in CE mode and i did "same road" in the middle of my city as i did with avata and goggles 2 fcc mode.
It sounds really strange to me, but can it be real?
I mean i expected a really short range in CE, but it's really good.
What are your thought about it?
Have anyone tested same way?
Can you look into the 19m/s speed limit it apperently has in EU regions due to it being C1 Certified. Does the FCC hack also remove this speed limit?
yes, up to 27m/s in manual mode in FCC mode
I can confirm ham_cfg_support file does unlock the full speed in CE region
I just received my avat 2 and it has horrible range like 20 feet in front of me at 60hz channel 1080p 120hz it glitches like it doesn't have an antenna do you hVe any ideas what it may be?
That sounds faulty. Make sure it’s all updated. If not return to DJI.
@@MadRC thank you
@MadRC its all updated the video drops frames right in front of me it will be at 60hz then I'll turn ithe drone it will glitch and it will drop to 10hz and below flashing the orange screen then it will go back to 60hz .and that's only 20 feet away acts like it doesn't have an anntenna or its on 25mill watts .
My DJI FPV never reset back to CE mode when powering off the drone / swapping batteries. Only time it defaults back to CE mode is when I reconnect it to the DJI Fly App. So, I`m not sure why you are saying that other DJI drones reset to CE, whereas this one doesn't when for example changing batteries...
Other drones meaning mavic/mini etc.
The ham workaround works now with the new DJI fly App!!! Update it to 1.13.1 than put the cfg file on the Goggles and start the Goggles first, then Controller 3 and at last the avata. Full Power even in the motors!!! Thanks 😅 you can pin me 😎🤫
This does not work for me.
doesn't work for me
I've heard that the FCC mode hack is reverted when you get a valid set of GPS signals outside. I assume this is due to the devices knowing what region they are physically in.... is that the case?
That is not correct.
Does it allow the drone to fly with full power or is there still a speed limit ?
Full power
@@mariokotlar303 heard mixed answers so far, have You been able to test it ? :D
@@SebastianDylag Not personally, still waiting for my Avata 2 to arrive. I got the info from the comment above made by MobilniReziser in reply to luc3932, who tested it himself.
Do you know if updating the goggles is locking us out of ham file?
No it’s fine.
Will this been seen by dji if u sent it back for dji care? Is it removable?
Just reset the drone and goggles and it’s gone
Can I use this black dji goggle battery from goggles v2 with new goggles3?
No, you can use a normal usb battery bank
@@MadRC thank you 👍 its going on ebay than 😆😆
Could u plz avata1's frame + avata2 module ? It is so cool... hahaha
Thx all ur videos
Where does the Avata 2 get the mode from? From Factory or by Registering eg. Updating via fly App and based on Location? There Must be a better option than the modified App for those travelling. I should get it today and check if using a VPN with the App makes a difference.
Neither of what you said. It does that every time you boot up and it gets a gps-lock.
be aware it does not work for Android 14 (very limited support for very few smartphones)! Older Android phones, or iPhone
Very good to know that's not yet fixed. I have purchased licence for Mini4 Pro but it was not working at all on Android 14 and even not working on Android 10 or 11 so they send me money back.
which android version is required then?
@@kabutze3312it supposedly works on A13 and lower
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How much is the app?
So i see in the comments that it also removes the speed limit with drone tweaks app. What about the 500 meters height limit ?
This just makes the avata useless when flying in the mountains ...
I would also like to know that
This means even for O4 will be a must to pay to unlock? Lol, another subscription 🤦🤦. But thanks Ian for this, many CE region will either unlock their drones or simply return it.
is it possible that avata2 will work with goggles2? goggles2 supports mini4 pro that uses o4 transmission protocol.
Does the hacked app (from drone hacks) also remove remote id?
No
@@MadRC i'm searching your channel now. But maybe it would be a nice video to explain how remote id works on the Avata 2. Or (and im not sure if this also applies for the UK) what the C1 rules means for people in the EU
DJI FPV Goggles 3 is it compatible with DJI fpv drone
Not at this time. It’s not known if it will ever be.
in france manual channel mode is present if you make the Update since saturday.... suspect drone tweak pay for this video
Great video! Can you tell us if with this hack the speed limit is remove it??? 🙏🙏🙏
th-cam.com/video/cKAu_QZTIpY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=CzkU6sWY1y0xht2M
That Video is wrong. it is UK not EU, where he flies.
@@fpvjuice459 LOL, but UK is still in Europe 😜
Yes, this hack removes the speed limit as well.
@@vikingmic but i have seen uk people flying 60mph without hack, my friend. 1+1=2
Where to get the ham file ?
Google search: download ham file
The app you are promoting is not working on Android 14, please specify it. I bought and had to ask for a refound because of this aspect.
Ok first of all I’m not promoting it. It’s what we knew worked.
Secondly the fucking mess of android support is not my issue. Investigate before purchasing would be my suggestion.
@MadRC, I understand your point and apologize for incorrectly using the term "promoted" instead of "talked about." Regardless, we are discussing about an OS that was not released recently or still in a beta stage: Android 14 was launched last year, and their website only provides a SMALL note about difficulties with A14, in the FAQ page... The support email informed me that there is no ETA for a fix on A14. I know it's not your fault, but I suggest including a disclaimer in the video, notifying your viewers that only the iOS version is fully operational as specified by you. To be fully honest, thay anyway gave me a full refound on request. Thank you ;-)
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Could you please Show or describe how to switch to FCC with Drone tweaks?
Install the app. Connect phone with app to goggles. Open app. Press OK.
@@MadRC Thank you for your fast and kind answer. Sadly it did'nt work with my drone and the Drone tweaks app. 😞
On Android you also need to wait until the drone acquires GPS and updates the homepoint before considering the procedure complete.
Would be good if a new modified ham file could be created or another more permanent solution. Asking for a yearly subscription on a hack is a bit much!
What proof do we have that the drone Tweaks hack works? Because according to the video, ham_cfg_support only works for people in FCC zones, and if someone tries to install it in a CE zone, it doesn't work, so you have to fall back on the drone tweaks app, but there's no proof of fcc mode.
I showed the bloody proof on the spectrum analyser. That is literally the RF output from the drone in real time as it switched from CE to FCC. You actually SEE the rf power level change. That is best possible proof there is. It’s not even questionable as it’s completely visible.
I agree with you. Nothing changed on my end. Range is still the same.
@@irhuz8683 are you getting the option to select channels manually
@@MadRC yes
IM USING FCC APPS GREAT👍👍👍
Hey Ian, apparently Care Refresh is affected according to DJI flyaways are not covered at all as the logs they use cannot be obtained through the third party apps so they void it completely, accidental damage claims could be refused for using third party apps but flight footage may be accepted if they feel the third party app was not the cause so be cautious of this when using the unofficial app or get a different insurance like Coverdrone rather than care refresh 👍
So the dev clearly say it is still covered. What logs should they want to obtain when I fly without the app anyway?
I don’t know pal it’s what DJI said, may be scare mongering so I don’t use the app but i personally purchased care refresh so don’t want to risk it, if you haven’t got care refresh just get Coverdrone and your covered either way, would be good if Ian could confirm if it still logs your flights correctly in your own fly account as that’s all I think they need 👍
Avata 2 isn't even listed on drone tweaks
But this 3rd party dji app probably means goodbye warrenty and dji care?
I just want 10 Giggawatts in my VTX
Just a little heads up, drone tweaks doesn't work on android 14 phones
😢 thank u , i was few clicks away from buying the app , is there reason why or ?
@@Arri. Something about android 14 fragmentation... All I know is that they can't make it work for months now and phones in the likes of samsung flagships are useless with drone tweaks.
@@ShinFPV do you know which android version is required?
DRONE TWEAK FCC APP IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH LATEST ANDROID VERSION!!!! at least not for now! I had to learn this the hard way!
I don't think the app works on android 14. Just bought and paid for it on my s24 ultra and the app crashes on startup 😔
Have you contacted the costumer support? Keep us updated please i have extra channels thanks to the ham but as per this video it doesn't output full rf signal 😮 so i guess drone tweaks could help here
Damn it; i should have red your post before buying.. same here: s23 ultra and just crashes on start up. I even had to delete the original app to install the FCC apk.. did you contact the drone tweak support? feeling scammed
no video prove Hack unlock Speed limite in CE (reel CE)
Speedlimit gone in EU???
following that question
Yes
Anything that's a subscription model is a no go. Better of waiting on DH or NLD
Drone hacks have a solution but again it’s not free.
@@MadRC it’s better for just paying once, drone tweaks subscription model is just a put off!
@@GeorgeWS I have no horse in either race so I’m happy to recommend either. One has both iOS and Android. One is just android. One is cheaper but annual. It’s very much 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
@@MadRC yeah I get you but with everything that is a subscription based it's just a put off. After 12mnths you have to pay for upgrades and it all adds up if you're using the same drone. Whereas the other is a one off. I've never bought a subscription based service and never will. I appreciate the fpv community such as WTFOS/B3VL who go above and beyond in getting us hacks etc and have donated to those guys and would rather pay more to them than DT. Hell I've bought you coffee too 😂 for all the help you have guided me with FPV and have to the same with the BETAFLIGHT/JB etc cause I appreciate the gift of service you lot provide and apply gratitude accordingly. Each to their own but for me, TW subscription model is such a turn off....would gladly provide sponsored coffee to you and others instead!
Can somebody dumb this down for me? Why do this? Longer range or something? I'm new to all this.
Longer range, faster speeds, better/stronger connection
@@BioNiiCSnoW oh wow that's awesome. Thanks!
With dronetweaks and hack i'm getting like 200m distance =/
Please refer this as FCC MOD. As an american keep hack and fcc off the air, war sucks
Me
All subscriptions are a SCAM. Once they get into your money, they'll never want to leave. Either sell it, or people shouldn't buy it.
...I'd love this drone if it wasnt full of all the damn monitoring / remote ID shite.. it makes ANY drone unbuyable.
still remote id, but no need to plug in your phone everytime like the goggles 2 had to
just don't register it and no one will ever know who ID76r7897t4rgtyd4t is.
you are welcome .
CE is total shit with their 25mw video, never upgrading my integras just to be sure
1st comment wins a pair of goggles 3!!!
Bet
Do I win
Worth stating and I don’t think I heard it, that this goes against the UK regs and so liable to prosecution if court.
Use this in the UK and it’s a breach of the Wireless Telegraphy Act. If caught you can be prosecuted by the police or Ofcom.
Alright Karen of coarse this is all for research purposes
@@johan6125 up to you but if you saw geeksvana video you’d know if caught doing something by the police they are throwing the book at people including illegal use of frequencies
Please, no more Avatar 2 videos
why, there are things to be said about it and there arent many other new products to review anyway. Just dont watch them if u dont like them
Here just for you, something else you may be interested in, you will be the first to see this on the channel. Mad. th-cam.com/video/G1CWMv2cQdo/w-d-xo.html
@@MadRC hehe the timing is immaculate with this one, great job 🙌
yeah, i never liked the avatar movies 😂
@@kevinruan weird blue ppl
I'm in the US and my Avata 2 only gets like 9 min of flight time in sport mode with the real controller and the o4 system isn't nearly as good as what I have in the Air 3.
9 mins of an fpv style drone is pretty awesome, thats like saying my alfa gets fewer miles per litre than my prius - I bet your avata is much sportier than your air 3
Well that's 100% to be expected. In the past, the FPV drone wouldn't even last 5 minutes in sports mode. 9 minutes straight in sports mode is an upgrade. You comparing the battery life of an FPV drone to Air 3 is... well.. not very logical.
lol what did you expected - its fpv drone
So, just to clear this up: 9 minutes in Normal mode would be quite bad. The older fpv did like 12-13 minutes. In Sport Mode however 9 minutes is very good in the FPV world. Comparing battery life of an FPV drone to a regular drone like Air 3 is completely illogical.
@ I’m losing signal everywhere with the Avata 2 where the Air 3 has no problem