I've been dippin and dabbin in car audio since 1989 and bro u continuously shed new light on a whole bunch of stuff that I knew about but didnt know totally about. I appreciate the knowledge. Thanks👍👍👊✌
What youre saying is 100% true and i hope everybody learns from you dude! Very knowledgeable stuff here. However the key thing to also remember is in a perfect world this would all be to the T. But everybody owns different vehicles some hatch, some tiny coupes and sedans or huge suv’s. Trying to cram larger subs and larger boxes in a tiny trunk will sound terrible. There would be no room for the woofers to breathe. Some setups in trunks can actually benefit from smaller woofers. That being said you can just do a behind the seat build and forget about the trunk but for those looking for a daily build. Larger subs arent always the better option. Id say for small trunk builds. Go with a high power handling high excursion woofer in a very well built box. But if you HAVE the room to properly fit bigger, i definitely would go with that!
Thank you for the information, kicker definitely know's their subwoofer.. they know 500 watts is perfect for the 8" subwoofer.. I've always been a kicker fan.. this is good knowledge ty once again..
Yo! I’ve played with ALOT of subs in truck applications, I’m convinced 8’s work best! I’ve settled with DD 608’s, great electrical running 2500rms solid. Now You got me thinking about going to high school days and running Kicker!
The other bit of info you left out is the excursion potential of the driver. You're pretty close with the surface area surmise, but the truth is the displacement capability of a driver, which is surface area x excursion. That's the real performance metric there. That is also the reason higher performing drivers need more amp power, to drive the woofer in further excursion. All things being equal, you are correct if a pair of drivers have the same excursion capability, then yes, the one with more surface area (cone area) will in fact play louder. Great video btw! 2 thumbs up!
My guy!! Coming through with this video. I had 2 Kicker 12 inch CVX, wired down to 1 ohm, and had a Rockford Fosgate T1000 push those bad boys. And that amp and subs worked hella well together. Best freaking setup I've ever had!!!!!! I had the subs in a ported box, with the port in between each sub. My lips felt like they were going to fly off when bumping some DJ Laz.
Aw man you ready, can't wait to hear them sir. I have a sundown x12 about to put that in the midgate of my 2008 avalanche z71, but I can't wait, and im running a rockford fosgate t1500-1bdcp on it keep the great content coming. ✌🏿
Is it the same case with midrange speakers? More cone area = more output or is it, more wattage rms = more output? Or is it a mix of both, any help would be great, cheers!!
Say my brother byou are the truth sir love the way you break shut down no sugar coating on nothing keep pushing my brother wish I could speak with you personally I have a pair of db drive G2 12s in my 2012 infiniti fx35 would like to rap with you if possible ✊
You gained a subscriber. The only thing I could add is efficiency.. IF your amplifier/power source can support a lower impedance you can in theory gain more output. Thank you for the content!
I've had my kicker solobaric l7 15s since 2007. Just bought a new amp a few months back because the subs out lasted the amps. Now I traded in my Yukon and got a 2021 trailboss, been trying to figure out what I wanted to go with that would work with my 2500.1 amp. Had been thinking about 4 8s. Think I'm going with the l7 8s. Wish I could hold out until the solo x comes out, but I honestly am not that patient. Now to see if I can get a box made that will fit under the seat and still allow these bad boys to breath.
Which would hit harder those kickers in a ported box or a 4th order box? I want something that will not take up a lot of space in the rear of a 2006 Honda Odyssey.
I just upgraded my 13 oddy with 2 ct sound tropos on a at500.1 ct amp with a big ported box and it slams for what they are! I did have to cut a wire to both microphones in the car to shut off the noise canceling system because it would hum super loud with the doors shut lol
I have a pair of kicker cvx d4 and a pair of skar evl d4 12s. Playing them in my bed room I notice on the same low power at 250 watts each at half volume. The kicker Xmas way less than the skar but had more output. Think about this look at the bottom and top of most kicker's cones. It has both dips and Peaks which equals up to extra area. Them 3D ridges and shape are actually adding more area cone Space. And at the same time making the world's strongest plastic cone woofer ever.
Hey MBE luv ya vids...I have a question,,Should I do 3 L7 q class 12s or 4 L7 q class 10s ? On a kicker zx2500.1 or maybe a Rockford fosgate t2500 I debating one of these amps...thanks bro
Just found your channel and I’m enjoying your perspective. How would 2 of these compare to a single 12 for output and low end? I have a ssa demon and like it but want to try something different
xxflaxxdread yes.. but only slightly... you would move more air with 2 versus 1. But since you not increasing the power and the speaker size is the same the increase would only be slight
So if I go from two db drive 12s 1000 rms, to two Kicker L7s Solobarics 1000 rms, I’ll get significantly more bass or would it be a minuscule difference? Assuming both boxes are tuned to 30 hz
Brother it's good to know cone erea is a must to move air I'm waiting on the solo baric L7 X's yep if they ever put them out for sale I've been waiting patiently but at the age of 55 I'll b 56 b4 I'll get a pair of them if not a pair at least one 10 will make me happy 😂
question ? would modifying your box by adding more ports to it make it louder ? for example if the box has one 4 inch port on it, by adding 2 more four inch ports now total of 3 ports, that would be moving more air.. right. i know it will change tuning, but will it be louder or have more output ?
Please help put in bids on the Kicker Solo L7X in an 8” buy coming to the Kicker Unmasked Live Steam on Tuesdays @ 7:30pm. They are trying a weekly thing looking for feedback and interaction with customers. Come Through!
I understand cone area being king but what about xmax a cheap sub being bigger with no xmax vs a smaller sub with lots of xmax would be louder more expensive yes but louder where am I wrong
@@M.B.EnclosuresOK, I was just checking to see if you used a different size than recommended. I've built plenty of boxes, ported and sealed. I'm just not that into the L7s like that. I didn't like the L7 12s that I had. People that didn't understand systems thought they sounded great, but I didn't like them and nothing was wrong with the box.
The L7s look cool and the area efficiency is awesome, but I don't think they look cooler than traditional circular subwoofers. There's just something so mesmerizing about watch a circular cone move up and down.
He's forgetting about sensitivity. Subs with a higher sensitivity will be louder with the same power as subs with a lower sensitivity rating. The customer who got the two XFLs could be lower if they are more sensitive than what he had.
3 old school jl 15 w6 easily hit 145 db off an old school RF 200.2 in basic sealed box in my grand Cherokee in 1997...the same 3 w6 15s hit 149.5 db running off an old school 90s punch 500.2. In the same jeep . The only thing I hated about those fucking jl drivers were the surrounds would split after only a few months of use . At the time the w6 was the flag ship jl driver and had the best peak to peak linear excursion on the market. They took very little to power... Solobarics were still round then ...lol
For once a man that understands what a L7 is about. I know they aint the biggest on rms, but if u after deep hard hittin bass. I recommend any L7 in the right box with a Kicker KXA/KX amp. Non refurb on the kx amp take my word extra 100$ is worth it to have it bought new. But that setup will b. Beast. I dont know anything about Q class amps. But there subs are beast. And they will last forever if u under power them by just a lil wattage. I got 2nd gen square solobaric no sewn tinsles still running. Not once have i had to sauder. N best L7 to me is the gen that came out right after the chrome and blue ones. And moat of all i like that deep bass so i got them in a sealed box i have 9 in total just 4 12s running now. 2 2nd gens and 1 chrome gen and 1 next gen after the chrome. All on a anniversary Phoenix Gold Titanium 1200.1 wich is guaranteed for life some HOW. But the amp dynoed after leavin P.G HQ 4 ohm 800 2 ohm 1300 1 ohm did 2300 Certified. But i know my voltage isn't keeping with those numbers. But i swear i roll up bout 5. Grab my book of cds and turn radio 23 and JUST ride for hours at a time. No bs 1 time i bumped the exact sytem i have for more than 12 hours straight a few breaks to eat piss and buy n roll more blunts. N still hav them.bumping today Sry for long ass message
Theres others factors that go into what performance you get out of your subwoofers others than just cone area the materials used to build said subwoofer the stiffness of the spiders and cone material the weight of the parts magnet material (neo) type of box (t-line etc)
Technically incorrect.. if the cone was flat that this math would be correct. But air has volume.. the raised logo and the concave shape of the cone actually increases the it significantly.. this would be closer to a usable 61-62 not 55. Kicker knows this which is way it has that huge logo in the middle resided off the cone.. other company do the same with large dust caps or textured paper cones like the sundowns or old school Vegas or any number of subs. Keep in mind this is also a limiting factor for sq.. the smoother the surface of the cone the better the quality will be but pressure and loudness will suffer.
I've been dippin and dabbin in car audio since 1989 and bro u continuously shed new light on a whole bunch of stuff that I knew about but didnt know totally about. I appreciate the knowledge. Thanks👍👍👊✌
Love the content! Finally a channel going deeper than just thowing 1000s of watts at subs and expect it to be loud. Subscribed!!
Ya this dude is just real.
What youre saying is 100% true and i hope everybody learns from you dude! Very knowledgeable stuff here. However the key thing to also remember is in a perfect world this would all be to the T. But everybody owns different vehicles some hatch, some tiny coupes and sedans or huge suv’s. Trying to cram larger subs and larger boxes in a tiny trunk will sound terrible. There would be no room for the woofers to breathe. Some setups in trunks can actually benefit from smaller woofers. That being said you can just do a behind the seat build and forget about the trunk but for those looking for a daily build. Larger subs arent always the better option. Id say for small trunk builds. Go with a high power handling high excursion woofer in a very well built box. But if you HAVE the room to properly fit bigger, i definitely would go with that!
Thank you for the information, kicker definitely know's their subwoofer.. they know 500 watts is perfect for the 8" subwoofer.. I've always been a kicker fan.. this is good knowledge ty once again..
Man I can listen to you all day. I'm from South Mississippi That's how we talk real talk
I'm ready to see those kickers moving.
Yo! I’ve played with ALOT of subs in truck applications, I’m convinced 8’s work best! I’ve settled with DD 608’s, great electrical running 2500rms solid. Now You got me thinking about going to high school days and running Kicker!
This Dude is the truth 👍
The other bit of info you left out is the excursion potential of the driver. You're pretty close with the surface area surmise, but the truth is the displacement capability of a driver, which is surface area x excursion. That's the real performance metric there. That is also the reason higher performing drivers need more amp power, to drive the woofer in further excursion. All things being equal, you are correct if a pair of drivers have the same excursion capability, then yes, the one with more surface area (cone area) will in fact play louder. Great video btw! 2 thumbs up!
My guy!! Coming through with this video. I had 2 Kicker 12 inch CVX, wired down to 1 ohm, and had a Rockford Fosgate T1000 push those bad boys. And that amp and subs worked hella well together. Best freaking setup I've ever had!!!!!! I had the subs in a ported box, with the port in between each sub. My lips felt like they were going to fly off when bumping some DJ Laz.
2hat kind of vehicle
😂😂🎉💯
Aw man you ready, can't wait to hear them sir. I have a sundown x12 about to put that in the midgate of my 2008 avalanche z71, but I can't wait, and im running a rockford fosgate t1500-1bdcp on it keep the great content coming. ✌🏿
Dem joints are beautiful 🤩. Can’t wait to order my set. You stay wit the full info, keep doing ya thing ach. 🫡🔊🔊🔊🦾
When space is limited...corners are KING
All true as long as excursion is the same. THe new SoloX series is gonna be badass
Good information, I'm learning.
I like the lookes of those L7 8s I run 18s Soundqubed but for small subwoofers the Kicker L7 is good.
L7 8 has more cone than the dd 2508?
Is it the same case with midrange speakers? More cone area = more output or is it, more wattage rms = more output? Or is it a mix of both, any help would be great, cheers!!
Say my brother byou are the truth sir love the way you break shut down no sugar coating on nothing keep pushing my brother wish I could speak with you personally I have a pair of db drive G2 12s in my 2012 infiniti fx35 would like to rap with you if possible ✊
You gained a subscriber. The only thing I could add is efficiency.. IF your amplifier/power source can support a lower impedance you can in theory gain more output.
Thank you for the content!
Hi , I was wondering if you ever heard of xleon amplifiers and what your opinion on them.
I've had my kicker solobaric l7 15s since 2007. Just bought a new amp a few months back because the subs out lasted the amps. Now I traded in my Yukon and got a 2021 trailboss, been trying to figure out what I wanted to go with that would work with my 2500.1 amp. Had been thinking about 4 8s. Think I'm going with the l7 8s. Wish I could hold out until the solo x comes out, but I honestly am not that patient. Now to see if I can get a box made that will fit under the seat and still allow these bad boys to breath.
Hell yeah, kicker ! Last long !
He’s 💯 correct!!
I'm wanting on those kicker solo x.
What you recommend for a 2016 Ram, amp and speakers?
How do you feel about the cxa kicker amps. I got the 3600, and 1800, and the skar 4500.1 there best amp. How efficient are the kicker amps
All fact my brotha 💯 🙏 💪.
I just ordered my 12 inch q class L7's can't wait til tomorrow when I get them!!!
hey did you find a box and amp for it ?
@@MZLALA19 I built my box and I have a Rockford t1500bdcp for them and they sound GREAT!!!
@@MZLALA19 if you don’t want to make your own box ground shaker makes some good prefab boxes at 32hz
How big is your box...
I was running 3 JL Audio 8w6 on a MTX THUNDER 2300 back in 1996...
Also had 4 Kicker 03 L7 12"s on 2 MTX 1501D.
POWER × CONE AREA =LOUD 🤷🏾♂️
Which would hit harder those kickers in a ported box or a 4th order box? I want something that will not take up a lot of space in the rear of a 2006 Honda Odyssey.
I just upgraded my 13 oddy with 2 ct sound tropos on a at500.1 ct amp with a big ported box and it slams for what they are! I did have to cut a wire to both microphones in the car to shut off the noise canceling system because it would hum super loud with the doors shut lol
How can I contact u about a box for 2 L7 12s. Wanna go kicker 1800. Ur knowledge is king
What American Bass 8s did you run? How'd you like them? I just got two HD 12s to replace my SA classics
Installers techniques without the upsale, so applicable in this better to do it yourself, world we've become. Good game
I have a pair of kicker cvx d4 and a pair of skar evl d4 12s. Playing them in my bed room I notice on the same low power at 250 watts each at half volume. The kicker Xmas way less than the skar but had more output. Think about this look at the bottom and top of most kicker's cones. It has both dips and Peaks which equals up to extra area. Them 3D ridges and shape are actually adding more area cone Space. And at the same time making the world's strongest plastic cone woofer ever.
Exactly
Hey MBE luv ya vids...I have a question,,Should I do 3 L7 q class 12s or 4 L7 q class 10s ? On a kicker zx2500.1 or maybe a Rockford fosgate t2500 I debating one of these amps...thanks bro
Either set up will take it
What are your thought in Hifonics amplifiers?
Just found your channel and I’m enjoying your perspective. How would 2 of these compare to a single 12 for output and low end? I have a ssa demon and like it but want to try something different
What's the best cone area subwoofer 18"
Bro I can't wait for the box build and how they perform
Did u buy a box?
I have been doing car audio for over 20yrs. You should try some dd audio sw2508 or the sw9510 esp they get low but they also sound amazing
Wow ......I never looked at it that way
Thanks this video is greatly appreciated, I have a question. Would two 15s 500 watts a piece be louder then one 15 taking 1000 watts?
xxflaxxdread yes.. but only slightly... you would move more air with 2 versus 1. But since you not increasing the power and the speaker size is the same the increase would only be slight
@@M.B.Enclosures Thanks sir I appreciate the reply
What do you think of the l7 R class,I'm putting 2 in a ford ranger extended cab.Did I go to large?
Brother you're going to have everybody down grading their setup
The end result we want to achieve is db’s right?! Who cares what it cost.
What are you thoughts on the Kicker Solo L7X coming 2021?
So if I go from two db drive 12s 1000 rms, to two Kicker L7s Solobarics 1000 rms, I’ll get significantly more bass or would it be a minuscule difference?
Assuming both boxes are tuned to 30 hz
What's the Sound Quality like though?
You ever have precision power?
Not talking shit but you said Pi is 3.14 did you multiply it by that or Pi actually being 2.14?
Is kicker getting sloppy with their stitching? whats going on with the sub on the right?
I know one 8 I haven’t seen evl Skar 8. I just purchased two of them building a enclosure now hope I make you prod lol
Is 2 L78 less or greater cone area to a 12" woofer???
King Cone!!
But for real like in most things In life knowledge is power or in audio SOUND.
Order 2 L7 Q Class 8in for my Camaro can’t wait 😝
How many watts RMS can you push above the rating on those subs safely?
4 OF THESE = FAST, CLEAN SMOOTH SOUND AND CONCRETE POUNDING 🔥🔥
Wats the best wood to build a custom box with mdf vs birch wood for 4 kicker cvx 12s 2ohm
Should I get a custom 4 12 port box?
Talking about knowin yo ish. 😁🫡🫵🏾👑💯
Brother it's good to know cone erea is a must to move air I'm waiting on the solo baric L7 X's yep if they ever put them out for sale I've been waiting patiently but at the age of 55 I'll b 56 b4 I'll get a pair of them if not a pair at least one 10 will make me happy 😂
question ? would modifying your box by adding more ports to it make it louder ? for example if the box has one 4 inch port on it, by adding 2 more four inch ports now total of 3 ports, that would be moving more air.. right. i know it will change tuning, but will it be louder or have more output ?
No because tuning would change...ports and the number are dependent in box volume and tuning
@@M.B.Enclosures ok thx, just was wondering
Please help put in bids on the Kicker Solo L7X in an 8” buy coming to the Kicker Unmasked Live Steam on Tuesdays @ 7:30pm. They are trying a weekly thing looking for feedback and interaction with customers. Come Through!
I need a quad box for a 2022 freighter cascadia I wanna run kicker L7 pro’s
I'm going to run 2 kicker q l7 8 on a kicker cxa1200.1 what do you think
Nice setup. Very efficient subs. Box is the key..... if you need one text me at 404 694 4818
You bet not scratch the boss lady table lol
Thoughts on the dd audio mini z 8"
Never had it... but DD make original products that perform. Legendary
I understand cone area being king but what about xmax a cheap sub being bigger with no xmax vs a smaller sub with lots of xmax would be louder more expensive yes but louder where am I wrong
those l7 8s are underrated they are beasty
Interesting
Cone area is king 👑👑👑👑👑
Check out the DD audio 2508. There handmade in Oklahoma USA
Where you located at I want you to build me a box im in SC
What size sealed box do you recommend for the L78?
I don’t do sealed boxes...have no experience with them. Go by manufacturer suggestion
@@M.B.EnclosuresOK, I was just checking to see if you used a different size than recommended. I've built plenty of boxes, ported and sealed. I'm just not that into the L7s like that. I didn't like the L7 12s that I had. People that didn't understand systems thought they sounded great, but I didn't like them and nothing was wrong with the box.
I tried the kicker L7 solo-baric 12in and I didn't really like them
I always said 3 8s will hit harder then 2 12 inch woofers
the sensitivity would make that difference.
Wait cant you get louder at lower frequency by also using same cone area but buying subs with more xmax
In a Ported enclosure the port controls the XMAX of a subwoofer particularly at tuning. At tuning it will not really move at all
I’m try to put 4 of them in a 2011 Silverado
Is four 8s l7 louder than 2. 12s
no
I've been seen alot of ppl putting 8s they're popular nowdays
I see you’re one of the smart ones. You used that PPP and actually made a LLC so you don’t go to jail
No PPP…just faith in Jesus
👍
Speakers look photoshopped in thumbnail! 😅😂
Even in the video
We got a math magician haha how tf do you know all that shit
How to make them reappear in another dimension 😂 to bad kicker killed the q class l7😢
Try Dc audio💪🏾
The white outline makes it look like it's photoshopped 🤣
I need your number brotha just bought l7 8s
The L7s look cool and the area efficiency is awesome, but I don't think they look cooler than traditional circular subwoofers. There's just something so mesmerizing about watch a circular cone move up and down.
He's forgetting about sensitivity. Subs with a higher sensitivity will be louder with the same power as subs with a lower sensitivity rating. The customer who got the two XFLs could be lower if they are more sensitive than what he had.
Genius g2
3 old school jl 15 w6 easily hit 145 db off an old school RF 200.2 in basic sealed box in my grand Cherokee in 1997...the same 3 w6 15s hit 149.5 db running off an old school 90s punch 500.2. In the same jeep . The only thing I hated about those fucking jl drivers were the surrounds would split after only a few months of use . At the time the w6 was the flag ship jl driver and had the best peak to peak linear excursion on the market. They took very little to power... Solobarics were still round then ...lol
Much respect to JL Audio one of my favorite’s and definitely a member of my Big 4
Q class is still good ppl don't know not all L7s. are created equal
For once a man that understands what a L7 is about. I know they aint the biggest on rms, but if u after deep hard hittin bass. I recommend any L7 in the right box with a Kicker KXA/KX amp. Non refurb on the kx amp take my word extra 100$ is worth it to have it bought new. But that setup will b. Beast. I dont know anything about Q class amps. But there subs are beast. And they will last forever if u under power them by just a lil wattage. I got 2nd gen square solobaric no sewn tinsles still running. Not once have i had to sauder. N best L7 to me is the gen that came out right after the chrome and blue ones. And moat of all i like that deep bass so i got them in a sealed box i have 9 in total just 4 12s running now. 2 2nd gens and 1 chrome gen and 1 next gen after the chrome. All on a anniversary Phoenix Gold Titanium 1200.1 wich is guaranteed for life some HOW. But the amp dynoed after leavin P.G HQ 4 ohm 800 2 ohm 1300 1 ohm did 2300 Certified. But i know my voltage isn't keeping with those numbers. But i swear i roll up bout 5. Grab my book of cds and turn radio 23 and JUST ride for hours at a time. No bs 1 time i bumped the exact sytem i have for more than 12 hours straight a few breaks to eat piss and buy n roll more blunts. N still hav them.bumping today
Sry for long ass message
U got too much kicker subs ! Those subs will kick u out ur house MB !😅😅😅
Volume too low on video
Theres others factors that go into what performance you get out of your subwoofers others than just cone area the materials used to build said subwoofer the stiffness of the spiders and cone material the weight of the parts magnet material (neo) type of box (t-line etc)
Technically incorrect.. if the cone was flat that this math would be correct. But air has volume.. the raised logo and the concave shape of the cone actually increases the it significantly.. this would be closer to a usable 61-62 not 55. Kicker knows this which is way it has that huge logo in the middle resided off the cone.. other company do the same with large dust caps or textured paper cones like the sundowns or old school Vegas or any number of subs.
Keep in mind this is also a limiting factor for sq.. the smoother the surface of the cone the better the quality will be but pressure and loudness will suffer.
That’s a lot of money sitting on the table
Stop mumbling and put the mic closer to your mouth 🗣️
So fuk motor force huh lol