While I do agree that you should try to counter swap if you think another support is better, i think it's more important that support isn't the only role doing that. Unless you need anti or sleep dart (or a specific ability), it's also up to tank and dps to counter
Yup, a good tank can greatly assist with backline getting harassed. Best tank to really do it with is dva or Orisa imo. Dva has her defense matrix and Orisa can push and spear a bitch.
ML7: COUNTERSWAP TO WIN Also ML7: You can get to GM playing any hero, and playing a hero well, may be a better option than swapping to a theoretical counter-pick but do worse. :^)
They are the best player's in the world. They wait 10 20 mins for a game. They aint playing to win and rank up. They want a good game and that means counter picking, which you see all 5 10 players do.
I miss playing back in beta and the earlier seasons where you could swap all 6 heroes to counter whoever was their one trick, loved spamming 6 tanks into the widow one tricks and seeing them ragequit lmao
ml7:"super important on this offangles is, u need an escape route plan *meanwhile zen in the back:* deleting the team xD tf is an escape route?!?! BALLS TO THE WALLS!!!!
as a support player this is common sense. always swap to a support that counters the enemy comp. if you're dying fifty times to a tracer on mercy, GET OFF MERCY. when I first started playing OW I started off playing mercy but over the course of 5 years I've now mastered ALL of the supports that way I can play whatever my team needs
This is true. Start this as early as you can because when I do start off playing another support that isn’t Lucio or Mercy, my team lacks a lot and I think it was due to my fear of exploring sooner. Switching to Lucio and Mercy often saves my games but it does feel really bad when it looks like you’re throwing and you’re really not trying to. Like you I’ve been playing five years but it ended up in me mastering Mercy, being useful as Lucio, and being an utter thrower if playing anyone other than them. Of course I switch off these two when it proves they aren’t helping but just know i’m struggling a lot to keep up with the pace of my team haha. Moira was often a decent pick but over the last year or so I’ve been lacking as her almost as much as the rest. Anyways. Start. Learning. Early!
That's how it is for all roles, not just support. After these ult conversion on swap changes have turned the game into an endless game of rock, paper, scissors which really isn't very fun to do every game.
its good for the game direction overall, no other game allows such a diverse pool of potential hero swaps, and the ult charge conversion really emphasises this dimension of gameplay that no other game has. Other games have their own unique dimension to it, and this is one of overwatch’s dimensions.
its not fun swapping heroes sorta like rock papers scissors like you said, but its super fun just dominating that one annoying character with a counterswap
mL7 big brain explain strats and things and all I come here for is the goofy sounds effects and "from the shadows... the shadoooowws" 😂love the content and all I want in a video one time is mL to go this one is for the lurking lurkers in chat and snipe someone with a kunai from a flank
He makes it look so easy 😭 Just played on that first map and had about 11 deaths 😳 Tracer Sombra on me constantly, I changed heroes maybe 4 times. I could not stay alive, I playing INSIDE my team, I played far from my team. Nothing was working 😭
When you used trans and stayed on zen I knew a blade wipe was coming. I was expecting you to swap to something that could manage vs it more. I thought Lucio to boop speed away but I know he isn't your most comfortable of picks. Too bad you couldn't swap to ana from zen there (I am sure you would have if you could).
I am a full flex dps who plays literally every hero to varying degrees of success but decently enough. I love your videos when it comes to swapping it has expanded my horizon. Though i still need practice at mid match moira swaps to get back faster it still feels awkward.
Here is my history that made me a full flex. To start on release of ow I was a zen only player. Then ana released and played a lot of that. Once goats started I got into organized play but the first team I was on had the main support refuse to play Lucio (very toxic player also so very little success and short lived team). So I played lucio just a little. Then the next team I went on I played Zen in goats and we won a tournament with that. The coach moved me up to the higher ranked squad at end of goats just as double shield started and I started playing Lucio again (this is where I started getting better with him by a lot). Also Mercy for Pharah/Mercy comps of course. Then played a bit of brig/zen as double shield evolved nearing the end of the competition season I was in and won again. Sadly team disbanded after and just played whatever I wanted since (mostly more Lucio/Brig). Then OW2 happened and have just grinded out getting good with Kiriko. So now I am pretty good at every support with Moira as my least played and everything else fairly even. If you read all this get a life and thank you.
@@nemebliss discord orb is one of the strongest abilities in the game right now and is pretty much impossible to balance around. All you have to do is press e and the tank is basically dead
@OrangePeelo Zen is fine. His high damage is balanced by his inability to stay alive. And yeah, playing JQ for example into Zen is stupid anyway, that's what counter swaps are for. Dive Zen, he's dead. Snipe Zen, he's dead. Just because you can't deal with an ability that helps teams have a chance against unkillabe tanks, doesn't mean it's op. Not being able to hide behind two shields has made a lot of heroes stronger. Heaven forbid a support does more damage (and btw, that means the other team has limited heals, so play smart and you outheal them... people act like he has 10k hp and one shots with every breath he doesn't take)
Skill isn’t important in my rank it’s just what hero you play tbh. I main ramatraa but dva counters me? So I play rein and I counter the dva come how ven though I only got 10m on rein
My biggest gripe is that zen discord is too good just nerf the dmg, nerf mercy dmg boost and bring back her movment, nerf kirio tp and suzu, and also remove mei from the game
While I do agree that you should try to counter swap if you think another support is better, i think it's more important that support isn't the only role doing that. Unless you need anti or sleep dart (or a specific ability), it's also up to tank and dps to counter
Yea but that's variables out of your control. You can only focus on what's in your control and what your team needs to win.
Yup, a good tank can greatly assist with backline getting harassed. Best tank to really do it with is dva or Orisa imo. Dva has her defense matrix and Orisa can push and spear a bitch.
in lower ranks at least, everyone relies on support to swap after their needs and not do it themselves
At my rank it's all tanks swapping to counter the other tank. Rein/Orisa/Sig is literally rock/paper/scissors and it's getting old.
Support circlejerk coment
ML7: COUNTERSWAP TO WIN
Also ML7: You can get to GM playing any hero, and playing a hero well, may be a better option than swapping to a theoretical counter-pick but do worse.
:^)
He said to get GM BUT he's GM1 so getting to top 500 is smarter to play a good character for the job
They are the best player's in the world. They wait 10 20 mins for a game. They aint playing to win and rank up. They want a good game and that means counter picking, which you see all 5 10 players do.
That’s for climbing once you hit high ranks you NEED to counter swap
Both are true
I would love to see you play more with Zenyatta 😢
I miss playing back in beta and the earlier seasons where you could swap all 6 heroes to counter whoever was their one trick, loved spamming 6 tanks into the widow one tricks and seeing them ragequit lmao
Just play open q
ml7:"super important on this offangles is, u need an escape route plan
*meanwhile zen in the back:* deleting the team xD tf is an escape route?!?! BALLS TO THE WALLS!!!!
I really appreciate the Wilhelm scream.
as a support player this is common sense. always swap to a support that counters the enemy comp. if you're dying fifty times to a tracer on mercy, GET OFF MERCY. when I first started playing OW I started off playing mercy but over the course of 5 years I've now mastered ALL of the supports that way I can play whatever my team needs
This is true. Start this as early as you can because when I do start off playing another support that isn’t Lucio or Mercy, my team lacks a lot and I think it was due to my fear of exploring sooner. Switching to Lucio and Mercy often saves my games but it does feel really bad when it looks like you’re throwing and you’re really not trying to. Like you I’ve been playing five years but it ended up in me mastering Mercy, being useful as Lucio, and being an utter thrower if playing anyone other than them. Of course I switch off these two when it proves they aren’t helping but just know i’m struggling a lot to keep up with the pace of my team haha.
Moira was often a decent pick but over the last year or so I’ve been lacking as her almost as much as the rest. Anyways. Start. Learning. Early!
I'm pretty sure it also helps to be ML7
i love how everyone is “top 500 challenger” and ml is “peasant”
That's how it is for all roles, not just support. After these ult conversion on swap changes have turned the game into an endless game of rock, paper, scissors which really isn't very fun to do every game.
its good for the game direction overall, no other game allows such a diverse pool of potential hero swaps, and the ult charge conversion really emphasises this dimension of gameplay that no other game has.
Other games have their own unique dimension to it, and this is one of overwatch’s dimensions.
its not fun swapping heroes sorta like rock papers scissors like you said, but its super fun just dominating that one annoying character with a counterswap
I appreciate the Rust sound effect at 9:30 i just got off that game
Super informative. Thank you
Friday morning video right when I wake up? Time to heat up some food and watch haha
There’s definitely some games where I had to swap to a better support just to help an under performing dps
I'm lovin this counterswap support play.
5:40
When on a roll keep it going!
Blessing my Friday with another video
Editing goes hard on this one
Hey from your crosshair settings for ana do you use the same setting still and did you use the for kiriko?Update crosshair vid but for kiriko?
it's the same one
For you Sir.. Mr.ML7, you just gotta switch to Lifeweaver LOL
The support Guru has spoken!! Truth be told!!
mL7 big brain explain strats and things and all I come here for is the goofy sounds effects and "from the shadows... the shadoooowws" 😂love the content and all I want in a video one time is mL to go this one is for the lurking lurkers in chat and snipe someone with a kunai from a flank
That was the OWL dps duo of NYXL iirc on that first push map
What setting allows you to see the character portrait when choosing who to nano?
nano confirmation on in ana's settings
I was like “why do I feel like I watched this before” it’s bc I watched it live on the stream and I forgot about it
3:18 no i didn't see editors cut out the first fight
He makes it look so easy 😭 Just played on that first map and had about 11 deaths 😳 Tracer Sombra on me constantly, I changed heroes maybe 4 times. I could not stay alive, I playing INSIDE my team, I played far from my team. Nothing was working 😭
Maybe a big dps gap. You might have been dealing with players of higher rank than your team. It happens.
Which hero's did you swap too
More Lucio gameplay would be awesome
Please do a video about zen, that would be awesome
Please make a video about Ana using headshots.
There wasn't even a frame where Tracer was on screen at 2:02 lmfao
The bird k i l l e d me
Had a lucio/mercy refuse to go Ana for a hog that was unkillable and said “dps just shoot him”
THESE EDITS 😂
I feel like tracer doesn’t really counter zen. I feel like it’s more of a skill duel
That's what I've been saying for years. This game is all about countering
When you used trans and stayed on zen I knew a blade wipe was coming. I was expecting you to swap to something that could manage vs it more. I thought Lucio to boop speed away but I know he isn't your most comfortable of picks. Too bad you couldn't swap to ana from zen there (I am sure you would have if you could).
I am a full flex dps who plays literally every hero to varying degrees of success but decently enough. I love your videos when it comes to swapping it has expanded my horizon. Though i still need practice at mid match moira swaps to get back faster it still feels awkward.
Here is my history that made me a full flex. To start on release of ow I was a zen only player. Then ana released and played a lot of that. Once goats started I got into organized play but the first team I was on had the main support refuse to play Lucio (very toxic player also so very little success and short lived team). So I played lucio just a little. Then the next team I went on I played Zen in goats and we won a tournament with that. The coach moved me up to the higher ranked squad at end of goats just as double shield started and I started playing Lucio again (this is where I started getting better with him by a lot). Also Mercy for Pharah/Mercy comps of course. Then played a bit of brig/zen as double shield evolved nearing the end of the competition season I was in and won again. Sadly team disbanded after and just played whatever I wanted since (mostly more Lucio/Brig). Then OW2 happened and have just grinded out getting good with Kiriko. So now I am pretty good at every support with Moira as my least played and everything else fairly even. If you read all this get a life and thank you.
@@weenewsboy I ain't readin allat
3:24 why come you keep the people who lost the gamba in the video
10:53 another tilted moment
Me sweating the counter swaps just so i can play moira. Or sweating my nuts off on moira because they tried to counter swap me
Counterswap unranked to gm plz!
when we gonna see a discord orb nerf tho
For what? Zen is fine
@@nemebliss discord orb is one of the strongest abilities in the game right now and is pretty much impossible to balance around. All you have to do is press e and the tank is basically dead
@OrangePeelo Zen is fine. His high damage is balanced by his inability to stay alive. And yeah, playing JQ for example into Zen is stupid anyway, that's what counter swaps are for. Dive Zen, he's dead. Snipe Zen, he's dead. Just because you can't deal with an ability that helps teams have a chance against unkillabe tanks, doesn't mean it's op. Not being able to hide behind two shields has made a lot of heroes stronger. Heaven forbid a support does more damage (and btw, that means the other team has limited heals, so play smart and you outheal them... people act like he has 10k hp and one shots with every breath he doesn't take)
@@nemebliss discord is literally one of the most broken things in the game
@@nemebliss you cant be any higher than plat
Skill isn’t important in my rank it’s just what hero you play tbh. I main ramatraa but dva counters me? So I play rein and I counter the dva come how ven though I only got 10m on rein
Ur jokes are as bad as your playing😅.
Just joking. Ur the GOAT
I solo only zen for 2 seasons now I'm masters 2 so don't listen to him. Just get good at 1 hero
My biggest gripe is that zen discord is too good just nerf the dmg, nerf mercy dmg boost and bring back her movment, nerf kirio tp and suzu, and also remove mei from the game
Must be a tank player
@@marquisross3776 ikr 😂
@@marquisross3776 yes, life is pain
love the gameplay, not a big fan of the editing though.
bob is bobing off
ive been playing Ana since she came out and just barely know how to play every other hero, Ana main is an understatement for me, i am Ana