It would make it alot easier to sift through these parts, if you could put the links to the videos in the description, or even the pinned comment. Just saying. JazakaAllah. May Allah reward you for your efforts.
don't impose your beliefs about the Quran into our's ... Christians dont believe that you have to know hebrew or greek to read and understand the bible...you can read the english translated bible also....only muslims argue you need to know arabic to read the quran we don't.
For those who are only interested in the topic of the debate; The first 20 mins of the video isn’t the topic of the debate but just debating about what they should debate.
Jesus in the Bible acknowledges that he has a God: *Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” [John **20:17**]* But Christians attempt to explain such statements away by saying that it was only the human side of Jesus being subservient to God, not his divine side. The problem is that later in the Bible, after Jesus has ascended and cast aside all human limitations, he is still saying “my God”: *I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [Revelation **3:11**-12]* So their explanation of the human side of Jesus doing the talking falls apart when he is still using the same language of subservience as he did whilst he was here on earth. Moreover Bible states that Jesus will surrender his kingdom to God: *Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. [1 Corinthians **15:24**-28]* If Jesus is fully God, and an equal member of the Trinity, then why does Jesus give back his kingdom to God the Father when our world would come to an end? Why is Jesus made subject to God after he has surrendered his kingdom over? Clearly, God is forever supreme over all, including Jesus.
@billy ball Oh, you mean why I not honor Jesus the same way I honor God? It's simple because Jesus is a man and hence he is not worthy of my worship as God is, who is above everyone, including Jesus.
@billy ball And I do honor Jesus and the other Prophets but not in the same way I honor God because they are not equal to God. I did not mention John 17:5 because it was not relevant to the topic of my discussion.
@billy ball First of all, This verse can be interpreted metaphorically. When we look at the context we find that the topic it is speaking of starts earlier in verse 15: *“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’” [Matthew 18:15-16]* Notice here the numbering: this is where the “two or three” phrase is first brought into the picture. This is a reference back to the Mosaic law: *“On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.” [Deuteronomy 17:6]* This is a system of accountability, Mosaic law never allowed for the conviction of another without a “fair trial.” In Matthew, we have the same situation. There is a believer who has been charged with an unnamed offense. If you cannot take care of it on your own, get some others to listen to each side. The final act, if the previous encounter was unfruitful, is to bring it before the church. If the accused is deemed guilty by the church and still does not repent, disassociation is necessary. “Two or three” have gathered in the name of Jesus and as such Jesus will be in their midst, metaphorically speaking, by virtue of them following the commands he has ordained. Second of all, even if we were to interpret this as Jesus literally being omnipresent, it still wouldn’t prove his divinity as the same author tells us: *“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” [Matthew 28:18]* If Jesus has the ability of omnipresence, then it is only because God gave him the authority. Since he receives his authority from a higher power, then he can't be God. Finally, any ambiguity over whether Jesus is omnipresent in a Godly sense is resolved when we read explicit verses in Matthew where Jesus is said to have limited knowledge: *“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” [Matthew 24:36]* Since the knowledge of Jesus is lacking by his own admission, then he can’t be omniscient, which is an attribute of God. If Jesus lacks any of the attributes of God then he is inferior to God and not His equal.
@billy ball I don't see any attributes of God in being gathered in the name of Jesus and praying to God in the name of Jesus, this doesn't prove Jesus to be divine in any way. The fact that it says in Matthew 28:18 that Jesus was "given" authority by God the Father shows that Jesus is below God and hence not worthy of worship as Almighty God is. Again, Matthew 18:20 is ambiguous, it can be interpreted metaphorically but even if we interpret this literally that Jesus is omnipresent, it still doesn't prove that Jesus is equal to God because he was given this authority by God the Father. If God knows everything and Jesus knows only certain things then God and Jesus are not equal which again proves my point.
@المهاجر التونسي read the dead sea scrolls my friend read the gospels. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father except by me
The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable. Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed. Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure. It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents....Peace to you
Bob you are a strong pillar. Such strength is rare. You are never faized or emotionally moved no matter how people try to ridicule it. Talk of emmotional intelligence!!!!
Jesus in the Bible acknowledges the Father as the only true God: *Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [John 17:3]* This statement in the Bible clearly identifies Father as the only true God to the exclusion of Jesus. Here Jesus defines his own position as the Messiah, distinct from the Godhead, which consists of the Father alone.
Read all the verses around it too. Jesus refers to him (Jesus) existing before the world was created and at that time sharing in the Fathers glory. God is one being, and the Father is one of three persons to that being. You would need infinite knowledge which you don’t have in order to be able to claim that God, who exists in a different realm to us cannot be one being comprising three persons.
@@scubaguy1989 If Father is the only true God then anyone who is not the Father can't be God even Jesus and the Holy Spirit. This statement in the Bible is devastating to the doctrine of the Trinity so much that major Trinitarian scholars of the past have resorted to manipulating the Bible in order to protect their Trinitarian beliefs. We note the remarkable comment of the celebrated Church Father Augustine of Hippo who is viewed as one of the most important Church Fathers in Christianity. It was so difficult for Augustine to harmonize John 17:3 with the doctrine of Trinity that he changed the verse to include Jesus in the Godhead: *The proper order of the words is, That they may know You and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent, as the only true God.* *- Homilies on John, Tractate 105* Contrast this with the actual verse: *Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [John 17:3]* Such distortion of the text only expose Augustine's desperation to protect his creed in the Bible. What is interesting is that the Qur’an alludes to such distortions when it says that those tasked with safeguarding the Bible “twist scripture”: *There are some who twist the Scripture with their tongues to make you [people] think that what they say is part of the Scripture when it is not; they say it is from God when it is not; they attribute lies to God and they know it. [Qur'an 3:78]*
At 5:46 the muslim shows an example of his faith, “ you are just a cartoon, you are just a cartoon” this is a sign of weakness trying to belittle his opponent. Insults, show a great lack of confidence. Notice how Bob receives these insults while the other muslims laugh.
Because you call a cat a cat. Ans a cartoon a cartoon. And it's difficult to not laugh. We all make mistake... Muslims are not perfect i doesn't mean nothing. Bob the cartoon is an hypocrite and you too
The gospel of John, which presents Jesus Christ in His deity, is sometimes called the "I AM" book. Over and over again in the book of John, Jesus said, "I AM." To the learned Jew this phrase "I AM" was very significant. It was a claim by Jesus that He is God. Why? In the Old Testament when God called Moses to lead the nation of Israel out of Egypt, He told Moses to tell the nation that "I AM" has sent you (Exodus 3:13-15). "I AM" is the covenant God of Israel, Jehovah! Therefore, the great "I AM" is the designation for God to the nation of Israel and Jesus' statement "I AM" is a clear indication that He was saying, "I AM God." Did Jesus say He was God? Jesus claimed equality with the God the Father. "Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18). "Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, 'Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me'" (John 7:28-29). "Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39). This is just one incident where the Jewish authority sought to take Jesus or to stone Him and He escaped out of their hands because His time had not yet come (John 8:20). Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20). The seventeenth chapter of John records Jesus Christ's high priestly prayer. "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began'" (John 17:1-5). In this wonderful prayer, Jesus says, "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me" (John 17:20-21). Did Jesus say that He was God? Yes! Amen!
What about all the verses that contridict this narrative. You have to address both these verses and the other verses that contridict. Otherwise all you show is that your Bible contridicts itself which it very clearly does.
@@diggingshovelle9669when Jesus called the father, His God. When Jesus clearly is not all knowing, such as the hour and the fig tree. When Jesus calls the father the one true God and say he was sent by God . Jesus who you believe to be God, prays to the father and then gets his prayer rejected?! God's prayer gets rejected?!!?! You can't ignore this stuff. God has no God. God is All knowing. If you try to convince people that God is not all knowing then just know, Christianity is not true. If they have to make God "less" to fit their concepts, that is a clear indication that it makes no sense. All I asserted was that these verses were in the Bible, not that I believe in them lol. And the Bible has been corrupted so how can we even really be sure that these are Bible verses?
1. I noticed that Christians use arguments that are supporting arguments at best. If they had a clear cut verse where Jesus literally says something like 'I am God, and part of a trinity ect.' then you could use the supporting arguments to back it up. But they only use supporting arguments, and the main argument isn't there. So it is very easy to dismiss each one because they are ambiguous and can have multiple interpretations 2. Many ppl are called sons of God in the Bible, so that argument is dead. 3. I AM is not seen by the jews to mean a name of God and they actually know the Hebrew, some one saying I AM and people taking it to mean I AM GOD is a hugggee stretch. As for the "before Abraham was... Ect." Part, this an ambiguous statement at best. 4. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you just the high prayer verse, where in it Jesus calls the father there the one true God, you completely ignore that part. Anyway the supporting argument that you put forth is that Jesus said the father sent him and the eternal life part. Do you know who else would say that the one true God sent them hmmmm... A Messenger! Not God. And we will all have eternal life either in heaven or hell soooo... I'm not really seeing your point.
😂Mansur the living "Running Dawadi in the Speakers Corners.man of twisted,n running away from topic of debate.Pure Muslim mentality.Everyone witnessed Bob was Right On Point.
@GuruTruthSpeak Was a jew born to jewish parents born in israel, As written in the Torah and the Bbile . has nothing to do with Islam. we are people of the book. God bless Christ lord and saviour of this world.
@@ridgleyriver-jedd9887 There Is NO GOD but ALLAH The One And Only. HE SENT US JESUS, IBRAHIM And MOHAMMED AND MOSES And to believe in GOD ( ALLAH ), You have to believe in all his Blessed Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them). God Bless you
That's how people who are in darkness (zolom) will not be able to distinguish between a stick and a snake (will not be able to distinguish between truth and falsehood), he will think of a snake as a stick and then he holds the 'stick' then his hand is pecked, then he dies. Indeed, those who are in darkness are the disbelievers, who will only deceive by their own stupidity, but are not aware of themselves. This is also what Socrates once described about cavemen who live in darkness, never seeing light, making it difficult to accept the truth. So blessed is he who is in the bright light, he can tell the difference between a stick and a snake. So that he is safe. Greetings to Bro Mansur and everyone who follows the bright light's lead.
Are you from another planet...??? I think, you have hearing and seeing problem... First you need to know concept of God ( according to my brother Mansur ).....
I’m a Christian and it’s abundantly clear the Trinity doctrine is not taught in the Bible…..and that Jesus is not the only true god of Israel. Bob maybe right about many things but he is completely in error on this and he was exposed because the Bible does not teach these things. He also misapplied Isaiah 48 and Rev 1:17 giving no context to the chapters or what was being said. It’s really poor from him and all Christian’s who slavishly cling to this non biblical teaching.
The Qur'an says Jesus is the Messiah and prophet of God, who will fear God. And... Isaiah 11 describe the Messiah: Verses 2 : HE'LL FEAR THE LORD. And verse 3 repeats again, "HE WILL BE FILLED WITH THE FEAR OF GOD" Does God fear anything? Or He's telling us that He fears himself? Taken from Rabbi Tovia Singer's debate : Is Jesus the promised Jewish Messiah? Rabbi Tovia Singer vs pastor Paul Humber. link: th-cam.com/video/PwwRGCOKuMA/w-d-xo.html And you can also see that how church was corrupted the Jewish scripture. Edit: I forgot to tell that according to TaNaKh, the Jewish Bible, The Messiah will fear HaShem (Lord). So according to that, Qur'anic claim is True. Jesus is the Messiah and prophet, who has to be fear God.
"And to warn those who say, “God has begotten a son. They have no knowledge of this, nor did their forefathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths. They say nothing but a lie."
@سبحان الله وبحمده It is funny because even their forefathers believed it, Islam just displayed its historical ignorance. I love it, how self refuting this religion is.
@@impartiallogic6984 notice his tactics of arguing about what debate to discuss? He really doesnt want it with Mansur. His dodging and waffling is telling. Hes nothing more then a pompous windbag.
I cannot watch this video because of the light shining in my eyes💡😤 It was a good debate listening to. Bob always runaway when questioned by a Muslim brother.😂
The New Testament can say all it likes about the divinity of Jesus AS. If Mansur believes these assertions to be wrong, there is no debate to be had. Mansu's proposal makes much more sense: which model of God is more worthy of worship? The Trinity or the one and only God?
_"You don't want to debate because you know it's a debate you will lose."_ Does Mr. Cartoon realize that him refusing to have a different debate can be inferred as _"you know if you change the debate it's a debate you cannot win."_
Jésus who is this? This is not even his real name. And Jésus say the only true god is the father. And many quotes. And Where is the holy Ghost. What's his name Jésus too. God bless you too
@@cancerrai métaphoricaly yes it Can be something like the father but not biological father at all. My real father is human. God is firsly out creator and de are his servant and we whorship him. You will never whorship your biological father. God is god and creator before anything else or other synonymes
@@red-one5923 I never meant biological father but do you call Allah your father in your prayers like how Christian do and do Allah allow himself to be called Father like how he did for Jews and Christians?
Dawah team really knows how to irritate people. Why would you insult and laugh at people? Is this how you muslims practice your faith? Shamefully... Mansur and his team takes 10 mins but Bob less than 5 mins. When Mansur speaks then all the muslims will be silent and when Bob speaks all of them will be making a lot of noises. Is this debate 5 muslims vs 1 Christian?
Mansur could you tell me in Quran where is mentioned 1 Mohammed is a prophet 2- tell sura Allah spoken with Mohammed. 3 Allah give Quran or book to Mohammed,
Basically Bob the builder is intellectual inept and loud mouth. He has cotton on the trick to shout on top of his voice in order to drown his opponent whilst Mansur is too intellectual for his opponent.
I have read it my brother. But please don't just read john 17 3 read the whole scripture. Read the whole book of john thanks for the reply God bless you
No Jesus words because all the New Testament you will interpret it the way you want when in reality it contradicts Jesus own words . John 14:28 “If you loved me you would rejoice that l am going my way to the Father , because the Father is greater than I... Jesus acknowledged that he and his Father are not equals. John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God “ Mathew 20:23 “This sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father “... Jesus explained that their were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father. -Mark 13:32 Was Jesus lower than God only while he was a man here on earth? No. Even after his death and resurrection, Jesus is described in the bible as being subordinate to God. The apostle Paul reminds us that “ God is supreme over Christ.” (1corinthians 11:3 Today’s English Version) The bible says that in the future “ When all things have been placed under Christ’s rule , then he himself , the son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.- 1corinthians 15:28
Paul writes about Christ within the 1st century of Jesus. He met the disciples of Jesus but Mohamed came 6th centuries later and don’t even come close to meeting the disciples of the disciples of the Jesus and yet talks about Jesus and somehow Mohamed’s account of Jesus is correct says a volume about your stupidity.
I don't know if you noticed but bob said he wanted to debate about what the bible and the quran says about Jesus, then abdool said he wanted to talk about God. same thing.
When we hear the disbelievers speak, we see how true the following verses of the Qur'an are. - "Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment." - (Qur'an, Al-Baqarah, The Cow [2]:6+7 of 286)
Theres only one GOD worthy of worship and thats the GOD of Isreal King Jesus Christ of nazareth ✝ palestine i hope you all come to christ as your lord and savior because allah(the Devil) lost 3 wars to the God of Isreal and will keep losing all 83 arab nations come to christ because any nation that wages war on Isreal will be Smitted and flattened by the True Living GOD who protects Isreal
@zeeshan ali stupid don't impose your beliefs about the Quran into our's ... Christians dont think that you have to know hebrew or greek to read and understand the bible...you can read the english translated bible also....only muslims argue you need to know arabic to read the quran we don't.
but mr. cartoon said that its is on a video where mansur agreed to the said topic....the divinity of christ in the new testament....which mansur always use against tourists.....he said he never agreed to that....but it was on cam...where he sent someone to mr.cartoon to ask what the topic of the debate was w/c mr.cartoon gladly gave....is it fair that on the time of the supposed debate, mansoor demanded another topic?.....now whos the loonytoon?....how can they have a proper debate if theres no clear topic? or fair, if only one, not both had prepared for the topic?....the reason the topic is asked ahead is so that both can prep up.....but here is mansoor....changing the topic or as mr.cartoon says, running away from the topic
"We decree the following declaration, etc." It does not indicate plural; rather it displays the highest position in the language. Arabic and many languages provide for the usage of "We" for the royal figure.
Bob the greatest Christian rabbi of present generation, who is denying the whole Jewish scriptures and clear message of oneness of God in the NT. who is putting his own claims and denying top christian scholars. I'm just thinking why Bob doesn't talk to a rabbi to baptize them.... once I remember Rabbi Tovia Singer said "The reason church doesn't teach Hebrew to the christian as we Jews teach to our children is because if they read the word of God in the original language Hebrew, they'll leave the church immediately and embrace Jerusalem.
@@cancerrai before Muhammad ﷺ, they also rejected their Messiah ;). And that doesn't change the core belief that ONE GOD ALONE. Lol, you can check about rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon and allowing Jews to enter in a mosque and pray if he wants to but never to put a step inside a church.
@@YuriSurfsYT Jews were the first followers of Jesus and the Gospels are the documented written by Jews for Jews. Jews always believe in the coming of Messiah (Saviour). There are Jews who are Christian today like Dr. Michael Brown.
@@YuriSurfsYT Between we believe in one God. It’s you people who says we don’t. Plus believing in one God does not mean you believe in True God. Even Satanism believe in one God. Does that make their belief to be true?
@@cancerrai bringing Michael Brown here is baseless. There were Jews who were Jews by lineage but later embraced paganism and disobeying God. Even the bible warns the Jews to not to disobey Him. And Just forget Christianity for a single moment and look at the message of aaaaallllll the prophets of the old testament and you'll literally find 0 about 3 person being 1 God. Rather we see strong warning to the Jews from prophet Moshe, Isaiah, Daniel and Ezekiel etc.... Anyway, we never said Jews never followed Jesus, the Christ. We also say followers of Jesus, Al-Hawwariwoon. We believe those Jews who were upon the truth and followed God's message and obey God by obeying His prophets and Messiah. And in Moshe's time, no one could save except through Moses and in Jesus' time, no one could be saved except through him and also that logic apply to all prophets and their people at that time and so Muhammad ﷺ too. And even Unitarian christians knows your concept of God which is 3 person being one God or trinity what you say is completely illogical and irrational. So, go and read Deuteronomy 13 word by word and what warning has given to the Jews about believing in other gods which doesn't their fore fathers knew. Anyway, I gotta do a lot of work. Peace out....
improve your arabic first then come to comment my brother : Sending blessings upon the Prophet is made clear in the following points: 1- When we say that Allah sends His prayers on the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), it means that He blesses the Prophet. 2- When we say that angels send prayers on the Prophet, it means that they pray to Allah for His blessings for His Prophet. 3- When we, the believers(Muslims), send prayers on the Prophet, it means we should ask Allah to bestow His blessings on Prophet Muhammad.
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It would make it alot easier to sift through these parts, if you could put the links to the videos in the description, or even the pinned comment. Just saying. JazakaAllah. May Allah reward you for your efforts.
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don't impose your beliefs about the Quran into our's ... Christians dont believe that you have to know hebrew or greek to read and understand the bible...you can read the english translated bible also....only muslims argue you need to know arabic to read the quran we don't.
‘Bob the builder you truly show what a ‘nice Muslim is calling people names
Mansoor (Ali Baba and 40 theives) vs Bob the builder
For those who are only interested in the topic of the debate;
The first 20 mins of the video isn’t the topic of the debate but just debating about what they should debate.
Jesus in the Bible acknowledges that he has a God:
*Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” [John **20:17**]*
But Christians attempt to explain such statements away by saying that it was only the human side of Jesus being subservient to God, not his divine side. The problem is that later in the Bible, after Jesus has ascended and cast aside all human limitations, he is still saying “my God”:
*I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [Revelation **3:11**-12]*
So their explanation of the human side of Jesus doing the talking falls apart when he is still using the same language of subservience as he did whilst he was here on earth. Moreover Bible states that Jesus will surrender his kingdom to God:
*Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. [1 Corinthians **15:24**-28]*
If Jesus is fully God, and an equal member of the Trinity, then why does Jesus give back his kingdom to God the Father when our world would come to an end? Why is Jesus made subject to God after he has surrendered his kingdom over? Clearly, God is forever supreme over all, including Jesus.
@billy ball
I honor both God and His Prophets.
@billy ball
Oh, you mean why I not honor Jesus the same way I honor God? It's simple because Jesus is a man and hence he is not worthy of my worship as God is, who is above everyone, including Jesus.
@billy ball
And I do honor Jesus and the other Prophets but not in the same way I honor God because they are not equal to God.
I did not mention John 17:5 because it was not relevant to the topic of my discussion.
@billy ball
First of all, This verse can be interpreted metaphorically. When we look at the context we find that the topic it is speaking of starts earlier in verse 15:
*“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’” [Matthew 18:15-16]*
Notice here the numbering: this is where the “two or three” phrase is first brought into the picture. This is a reference back to the Mosaic law:
*“On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.” [Deuteronomy 17:6]*
This is a system of accountability, Mosaic law never allowed for the conviction of another without a “fair trial.” In Matthew, we have the same situation. There is a believer who has been charged with an unnamed offense. If you cannot take care of it on your own, get some others to listen to each side. The final act, if the previous encounter was unfruitful, is to bring it before the church.
If the accused is deemed guilty by the church and still does not repent, disassociation is necessary. “Two or three” have gathered in the name of Jesus and as such Jesus will be in their midst, metaphorically speaking, by virtue of them following the commands he has ordained.
Second of all, even if we were to interpret this as Jesus literally being omnipresent, it still wouldn’t prove his divinity as the same author tells us:
*“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” [Matthew 28:18]*
If Jesus has the ability of omnipresence, then it is only because God gave him the authority. Since he receives his authority from a higher power, then he can't be God.
Finally, any ambiguity over whether Jesus is omnipresent in a Godly sense is resolved when we read explicit verses in Matthew where Jesus is said to have limited knowledge:
*“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” [Matthew 24:36]*
Since the knowledge of Jesus is lacking by his own admission, then he can’t be omniscient, which is an attribute of God. If Jesus lacks any of the attributes of God then he is inferior to God and not His equal.
@billy ball
I don't see any attributes of God in being gathered in the name of Jesus and praying to God in the name of Jesus, this doesn't prove Jesus to be divine in any way.
The fact that it says in Matthew 28:18 that Jesus was "given" authority by God the Father shows that Jesus is below God and hence not worthy of worship as Almighty God is.
Again, Matthew 18:20 is ambiguous, it can be interpreted metaphorically but even if we interpret this literally that Jesus is omnipresent, it still doesn't prove that Jesus is equal to God because he was given this authority by God the Father.
If God knows everything and Jesus knows only certain things then God and Jesus are not equal which again proves my point.
Only showing 30 minutes of the whole video. 😂😂 all glory to you Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless you Bob.
This is a debate about debating lol
Haha true mansur got exposed of his lies
I don't need to lie my brother the bible is the living breathing word of God. May he reveal himself to you amen
@المهاجر التونسي read the dead sea scrolls my friend read the gospels. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father except by me
Ashley Pollard and what’s that lie? Lol don’t run away
The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.
Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.
It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed.
Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure.
It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents....Peace to you
Legend has it that these two are still debating about debating
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
YES?
Bob you are a strong pillar.
Such strength is rare.
You are never faized or emotionally moved no matter how people try to ridicule it.
Talk of emmotional intelligence!!!!
You the Man Bob.
@allhumdullilah for islam and what did you wach carnt have been the same as me becouse what i saw Bob made him look stupid.
@allhumdullilah for islam i was waiting for race card what a joke you say what ever too white people get away with it enough now it works boutg ways .
@allhumdullilah for islam you not roght in the head mate just becouse i dont aggree with you iam a ialamathorb wow ur a christian athorb.
@sowhatzproduction898Bob the muslim slayer!
Bob the islam destroyer!
@sowhatzproduction898 I don’t want any smoke
"whats there to debate?"
"the level of the indication"
HAHAHHAHAH
24:05 Thank me later, before that it was a debate about debating a debate of what is debate.....lol
Mansur is frightening of the topic he himself has chosen😂
Mansur is clearly running from the debate ....
Without lie Islam dies
Skip to 23:30 to watch debate and avoid headache
I wasted so much time Omds
0:30 “Cartoon, Listen” 😂
@samyajyoti de gommala area pakkam va... Vaangipa bangama..
@samyajyoti de podaangu andaurutti
🤣
There is no excuse in ignorance in tawheed. may Allah guide you and me.
Bob the muslim slayer!!!!
Bob is a worrier. God bless you brother in Christ
Out of all the videos I see about Bob he never debates... He shouts...he talks bollocks
Mansur, when he asks for a pen you know he is going for destruction
Jesus in the Bible acknowledges the Father as the only true God:
*Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [John 17:3]*
This statement in the Bible clearly identifies Father as the only true God to the exclusion of Jesus. Here Jesus defines his own position as the Messiah, distinct from the Godhead, which consists of the Father alone.
Read all the verses around it too. Jesus refers to him (Jesus) existing before the world was created and at that time sharing in the Fathers glory. God is one being, and the Father is one of three persons to that being. You would need infinite knowledge which you don’t have in order to be able to claim that God, who exists in a different realm to us cannot be one being comprising three persons.
@@scubaguy1989
If Father is the only true God then anyone who is not the Father can't be God even Jesus and the Holy Spirit. This statement in the Bible is devastating to the doctrine of the Trinity so much that major Trinitarian scholars of the past have resorted to manipulating the Bible in order to protect their Trinitarian beliefs.
We note the remarkable comment of the celebrated Church Father Augustine of Hippo who is viewed as one of the most important Church Fathers in Christianity. It was so difficult for Augustine to harmonize John 17:3 with the doctrine of Trinity that he changed the verse to include Jesus in the Godhead:
*The proper order of the words is, That they may know You and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent, as the only true God.*
*- Homilies on John, Tractate 105*
Contrast this with the actual verse:
*Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [John 17:3]*
Such distortion of the text only expose Augustine's desperation to protect his creed in the Bible.
What is interesting is that the Qur’an alludes to such distortions when it says that those tasked with safeguarding the Bible “twist scripture”:
*There are some who twist the Scripture with their tongues to make you [people] think that what they say is part of the Scripture when it is not; they say it is from God when it is not; they attribute lies to God and they know it. [Qur'an 3:78]*
Where’s mansaur reply? Or didn’t he have one 😂😂
At 5:46 the muslim shows an example of his faith, “ you are just a cartoon, you are just a cartoon” this is a sign of weakness trying to belittle his opponent.
Insults, show a great lack of confidence. Notice how Bob receives these insults while the other muslims laugh.
Because you call a cat a cat. Ans a cartoon a cartoon. And it's difficult to not laugh. We all make mistake... Muslims are not perfect i doesn't mean nothing. Bob the cartoon is an hypocrite and you too
they agree on a debate topic at 23:30 , you're welcome
Bob is abu jahal son???
Not biologically.
Hahah you're rights
Miss m Ibs 🤣😂🤣
Anyway, a cartoon character usually is lovable ..... but this one ?
Not all
@@jya5467 True
Mansur do you know what a debate is ? Because you seemed like you know it all but so far you’re talking riddles ..
Debate topic agreed at 24:05, and than :-/ nothing, moving on to part two
The gospel of John, which presents Jesus Christ in His deity, is sometimes called the "I AM" book. Over and over again in the book of John, Jesus said, "I AM." To the learned Jew this phrase "I AM" was very significant. It was a claim by Jesus that He is God. Why? In the Old Testament when God called Moses to lead the nation of Israel out of Egypt, He told Moses to tell the nation that "I AM" has sent you (Exodus 3:13-15). "I AM" is the covenant God of Israel, Jehovah! Therefore, the great "I AM" is the designation for God to the nation of Israel and Jesus' statement "I AM" is a clear indication that He was saying, "I AM God."
Did Jesus say He was God? Jesus claimed equality with the God the Father. "Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18).
"Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, 'Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me'" (John 7:28-29).
"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39). This is just one incident where the Jewish authority sought to take Jesus or to stone Him and He escaped out of their hands because His time had not yet come (John 8:20).
Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).
The seventeenth chapter of John records Jesus Christ's high priestly prayer. "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began'" (John 17:1-5).
In this wonderful prayer, Jesus says, "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me" (John 17:20-21). Did Jesus say that He was God? Yes! Amen!
If the bible claims that a creature with an asshole is God, then is that proof of the bible being correct or a lie?
What about all the verses that contridict this narrative. You have to address both these verses and the other verses that contridict. Otherwise all you show is that your Bible contridicts itself which it very clearly does.
@@fatimagaye3729 You havent cited anything and asserted everything. Get to grips with the material and let the holy spirit work in your heart
@@diggingshovelle9669when Jesus called the father, His God. When Jesus clearly is not all knowing, such as the hour and the fig tree. When Jesus calls the father the one true God and say he was sent by God . Jesus who you believe to be God, prays to the father and then gets his prayer rejected?! God's prayer gets rejected?!!?! You can't ignore this stuff. God has no God. God is All knowing. If you try to convince people that God is not all knowing then just know, Christianity is not true. If they have to make God "less" to fit their concepts, that is a clear indication that it makes no sense. All I asserted was that these verses were in the Bible, not that I believe in them lol. And the Bible has been corrupted so how can we even really be sure that these are Bible verses?
1. I noticed that Christians use arguments that are supporting arguments at best. If they had a clear cut verse where Jesus literally says something like 'I am God, and part of a trinity ect.' then you could use the supporting arguments to back it up. But they only use supporting arguments, and the main argument isn't there. So it is very easy to dismiss each one because they are ambiguous and can have multiple interpretations
2. Many ppl are called sons of God in the Bible, so that argument is dead.
3. I AM is not seen by the jews to mean a name of God and they actually know the Hebrew, some one saying I AM and people taking it to mean I AM GOD is a hugggee stretch. As for the "before Abraham was... Ect." Part, this an ambiguous statement at best.
4. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you just the high prayer verse, where in it Jesus calls the father there the one true God, you completely ignore that part. Anyway the supporting argument that you put forth is that Jesus said the father sent him and the eternal life part. Do you know who else would say that the one true God sent them hmmmm... A Messenger! Not God. And we will all have eternal life either in heaven or hell soooo... I'm not really seeing your point.
Where is the continuation of the debate they cut it straight away ???
You are debating decently Bob.No name calling from you,keep it up.
All these Christian protagonists are scared to debate the Trinity vs Tawheed. No brainer alie?
Facts!
AR lm not afraid? Only because I don’t believe in the trinity doctrine and lm a Christian .
Carla Nunziante still worst u believe in human sacrifice 😳
Bob the muslim slayer!
Bob the islam destroyer!!
Debate topic had been reconcile in 24th minute. Welcome
Mansur is a living legend
Are you sure 😅🤪
@@morpheus6104 yes
😂Mansur the living "Running Dawadi in the Speakers Corners.man of twisted,n running away from topic of debate.Pure Muslim mentality.Everyone witnessed Bob was Right On Point.
Is the living Abdul 😂😂😂
Let's have a debate.
But first let us debate for half an hour on what we are going to debate about 😂😂😂🤣🤣
Go Bob bless you in Christ:)
Christ was a Jew, actually, there was no such thing as a Muslims that was hundreds of years after. The people of the book.
@GuruTruthSpeak Just like us Christians who are followers of Christ.
@GuruTruthSpeak Was a jew born to jewish parents born in israel, As written in the Torah and the Bbile . has nothing to do with Islam. we are people of the book. God bless Christ lord and saviour of this world.
@@ridgleyriver-jedd9887 There Is NO GOD but ALLAH The One And Only.
HE SENT US JESUS, IBRAHIM And MOHAMMED AND MOSES And to believe in GOD ( ALLAH ), You have to believe in all his Blessed Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them). God Bless you
@@DakhilB may be for you as a Christian Jesus is the way truth and the light.
Here we go!. As usual and always Bob keeps waffling for more than 30 minutes without telling us what is the topic he wants to discuss.
Lol mansur is the master of avoidance 😂
Both of these guys deserve Oscars'
That's how people who are in darkness (zolom) will not be able to distinguish between a stick and a snake (will not be able to distinguish between truth and falsehood), he will think of a snake as a stick and then he holds the 'stick' then his hand is pecked, then he dies. Indeed, those who are in darkness are the disbelievers, who will only deceive by their own stupidity, but are not aware of themselves. This is also what Socrates once described about cavemen who live in darkness, never seeing light, making it difficult to accept the truth.
So blessed is he who is in the bright light, he can tell the difference between a stick and a snake. So that he is safe.
Greetings to Bro Mansur and everyone who follows the bright light's lead.
Bob the builder is the best 😍
The best hypocrite by far
Are you from another planet...??? I think, you have hearing and seeing problem... First you need to know concept of God ( according to my brother Mansur ).....
Mr. Cartoon is the best for baby......
I’m a Christian and it’s abundantly clear the Trinity doctrine is not taught in the Bible…..and that Jesus is not the only true god of Israel. Bob maybe right about many things but he is completely in error on this and he was exposed because the Bible does not teach these things.
He also misapplied Isaiah 48 and Rev 1:17 giving no context to the chapters or what was being said. It’s really poor from him and all Christian’s who slavishly cling to this non biblical teaching.
@@Cafez27 respect to hear this take one the trinity from today from a christian
Jesus is Lord.
Of the jews not yours
The Qur'an says Jesus is the Messiah and prophet of God, who will fear God.
And...
Isaiah 11 describe the Messiah:
Verses 2 : HE'LL FEAR THE LORD.
And verse 3 repeats again, "HE WILL BE FILLED WITH THE FEAR OF GOD"
Does God fear anything? Or He's telling us that He fears himself?
Taken from Rabbi Tovia Singer's debate : Is Jesus the promised Jewish Messiah?
Rabbi Tovia Singer vs pastor Paul Humber.
link:
th-cam.com/video/PwwRGCOKuMA/w-d-xo.html
And you can also see that how church was corrupted the Jewish scripture.
Edit:
I forgot to tell that according to TaNaKh, the Jewish Bible, The Messiah will fear HaShem (Lord). So according to that, Qur'anic claim is True. Jesus is the Messiah and prophet, who has to be fear God.
BOB : I never read the Quran it's in Arabic
Masour : what language is the Bible ?
Bob : it's in Hebrew and Greek
Me: did Jesus speak in Greek ?
@igeto12 so jesus can speak many languages yet knows nothing about the Hour ? makes no sense.
@Crim Sin read all the comments in this thread and you will realize why i said that dumbo idiot.
"And to warn those who say, “God has begotten a son.
They have no knowledge of this, nor did their forefathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths. They say nothing but a lie."
lol
@@masondunn1521 Indeed lolz, god has a son, how crazy is that 😂
@سبحان الله وبحمده
It is funny because even their forefathers believed it, Islam just displayed its historical ignorance. I love it, how self refuting this religion is.
Man if there was one guy that I loathe to listen to its Bob. More of his evangelical trope and lies.
Indeed. He just shouts his brain washed nonsense and doesn't have the capacity to listen. Sad little man.
@@impartiallogic6984 notice his tactics of arguing about what debate to discuss? He really doesnt want it with Mansur. His dodging and waffling is telling. Hes nothing more then a pompous windbag.
Bob will pass the interview of being a comedian
I did I got a certificate and everything...
@@bobthebuilder4660
Wow sweet. Haha. Have a nice life dude.
@@YuriSurfsYT and you...
I cannot watch this video because of the light shining in my eyes💡😤
It was a good debate listening to. Bob always runaway when questioned by a Muslim brother.😂
haha..bob always liess
Bob the muslim slayer!
Bob the islam destroyer!!
Mansur is always having muslim around him during debate...
.
And your point is?
@@justsomeguywithabeard8467he needs hecklers when Bob starts speaking facts!
Bob the muslim slayer!
Bob the islam destroyer!!
So both do not want to debated.
Waste of time until 23.50
The New Testament can say all it likes about the divinity of Jesus AS. If Mansur believes these assertions to be wrong, there is no debate to be had. Mansu's proposal makes much more sense: which model of God is more worthy of worship? The Trinity or the one and only God?
Indeed speak truth bob
Hands up for Mansoor
False claim by Abdools.😂
Only Abdools believed their own thinking!😂
Titus 1, 13-14 doesn’t say what bob said!! Did I misheard the reference or bob can’t even quote references properly?
_"You don't want to debate because you know it's a debate you will lose."_
Does Mr. Cartoon realize that him refusing to have a different debate can be inferred as _"you know if you change the debate it's a debate you cannot win."_
Bob the muslim slayer! Bob the islam destroyer!
Bob the Lion stood in the middle of Wild wolves with No Fear,because God gave him,wisdom n courage to face Deceivers.Welldone Bob the Destroyer!
i laughed so hard 6:40
25:20
Stone kiser 😂 😂. CP used 2 call them Abdullism 😂 😂 😂
Cross kisser
It takes Bob one hour to establish the divinity of Jesus in the Bible? Funny!
Mansur is just running from the debate he has agreed to🤣
Mansoor scare debating.what a shame.always running away.
God bless us all in the name of Jesus Christ.❤
Jésus who is this? This is not even his real name. And Jésus say the only true god is the father. And many quotes. And Where is the holy Ghost. What's his name Jésus too. God bless you too
@@red-one5923 So you accept that you call Allah your father?
@@cancerrai métaphoricaly yes it Can be something like the father but not biological father at all. My real father is human. God is firsly out creator and de are his servant and we whorship him. You will never whorship your biological father. God is god and creator before anything else or other synonymes
@@red-one5923 I never meant biological father but do you call Allah your father in your prayers like how Christian do and do Allah allow himself to be called Father like how he did for Jews and Christians?
Mansur getting personal makes me think that he already lost.
'Bob' never address himself as 'Bob'. Thats why Mansur called him Bob the builder, a cartoon character.
Dawah team really knows how to irritate people. Why would you insult and laugh at people? Is this how you muslims practice your faith? Shamefully... Mansur and his team takes 10 mins but Bob less than 5 mins. When Mansur speaks then all the muslims will be silent and when Bob speaks all of them will be making a lot of noises.
Is this debate 5 muslims vs 1 Christian?
Mansur looks like small frogs jumping here and there
Mansur could you tell me in Quran where is mentioned
1 Mohammed is a prophet
2- tell sura Allah spoken with Mohammed.
3 Allah give Quran or book to Mohammed,
REMEMBER:ONLY JESUS SAVE !!!
Why couldn't Masur just answer what language the Qur'an is? It's cuz he was scared he'd be humiliated.
Always beware of a man who wants to teach truth from behind the cover of a false name.
I guess the gospels fall into that category a well.. 🤔
Did this debate even start?
Yes it started but they cut it out where is the rest of it?
Basically Bob the builder is intellectual inept and loud mouth. He has cotton on the trick to shout on top of his voice in order to drown his opponent whilst Mansur is too intellectual for his opponent.
*Bob the liar likes to lie*
What did he lie about?
Ashley Pollard there's only one true god in bible and that's not jesus.
Have you read the bible?
Ashley Pollard read john 17:3
I have read it my brother. But please don't just read john 17 3 read the whole scripture. Read the whole book of john thanks for the reply God bless you
No Jesus words because all the New Testament you will interpret it the way you want when in reality it contradicts Jesus own words .
John 14:28
“If you loved me you would rejoice that l am going my way to the Father , because the Father is greater than I...
Jesus acknowledged that he and his Father are not equals.
John 20:17
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God “
Mathew 20:23
“This sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father “...
Jesus explained that their were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father. -Mark 13:32
Was Jesus lower than God only while he was a man here on earth? No. Even after his death and resurrection, Jesus is described in the bible as being subordinate to God. The apostle Paul reminds us that “ God is supreme over Christ.” (1corinthians 11:3 Today’s English Version)
The bible says that in the future “ When all things have been placed under Christ’s rule , then he himself , the son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.- 1corinthians 15:28
Yep he isn't God
Mansur knows the concept of god the best.
Bob: Thanks to Mansur for admitting i am the winner
Sorry no he isn’t
@@MaryMary-cj7wlBob the muslim slayer!
Mansour u are the best much appreciate sir this Bob is a joke 😂😂😂😂
You have failed to have the right concept of God by entering in these debates.
NEW TOPIC FOR THE DEBATE -- "DOES BOB HAVE HEARING PROBLEM? OR COMPREHENSION PROBLEM?"
Mansur wouldn’t be able to substantiate this as there is no reference in the “Quran” 😂😝
Paul didn’t even see Jesus Puh. He saw him only on a vision.
Paul writes about Christ within the 1st century of Jesus. He met the disciples of Jesus but Mohamed came 6th centuries later and don’t even come close to meeting the disciples of the disciples of the Jesus and yet talks about Jesus and somehow Mohamed’s account of Jesus is correct says a volume about your stupidity.
I don't know if you noticed but bob said he wanted to debate about what the bible and the quran says about Jesus, then abdool said he wanted to talk about God. same thing.
Bob the Christ warrior
Mashallah brother Mansur
When we hear the disbelievers speak, we see how true the following verses of the Qur'an are. - "Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment." - (Qur'an, Al-Baqarah, The Cow [2]:6+7 of 286)
Bob the builder is distroying all the Dawah group. Bob God be with you.
Bob the muslim slayer
I dont want to see a cartoon movie. Past my age!
Theres only one GOD worthy of worship and thats the GOD of Isreal King Jesus Christ of nazareth ✝
palestine i hope you all come to christ as your lord and savior because allah(the Devil) lost 3 wars to the God of Isreal and will keep losing all 83 arab nations come to christ because any nation that wages war on Isreal will be Smitted and flattened by the True Living GOD who protects Isreal
14:00-14:10 I mean.... Why do they make a fool of themselves. I see many "Evangelists" making this mistake.
@zeeshan ali stupid don't impose your beliefs about the Quran into our's ... Christians dont think that you have to know hebrew or greek to read and understand the bible...you can read the english translated bible also....only muslims argue you need to know arabic to read the quran we don't.
First of all its necessary to know who is worthy of worship
So you’re calling him a cartoon ? You lost already 😂😂
He is. Find other argu. You are a cartoon too. Bob is an hypocrite
Reason why he dont want to introduce himself cuz when he lose, nobody can know their name, the guy already scared about it😆😆
He himself called him Bob
Lol
He avoid the discussion of one true God worthy of worship because it will completely destroys him. It's easy to show how terrible bible potrays God.
I thought bob gonna debate Dr zakir Naik about the Bible 🤔🤔😂😂
Ahd dr.zakir would just say "You got a serious broblem with ur brain brother" XD
bob is a liar
No debate mansur about the trinity doctrine
It is black and white in the NT by Titus and Peter that Jesus is god read by Bob, however Jesus pbuh never mentioned/claim he is god.
Oh but he did!!!
I and the Father are one,.....nuff said!
Not exactly .
They can't both be God at the same time.
Why are you afraid to discuss in your own book mansur, is Quran is not trusted to you? Bob is right because you knew you will loose.
but mr. cartoon said that its is on a video where mansur agreed to the said topic....the divinity of christ in the new testament....which mansur always use against tourists.....he said he never agreed to that....but it was on cam...where he sent someone to mr.cartoon to ask what the topic of the debate was w/c mr.cartoon gladly gave....is it fair that on the time of the supposed debate, mansoor demanded another topic?.....now whos the loonytoon?....how can they have a proper debate if theres no clear topic? or fair, if only one, not both had prepared for the topic?....the reason the topic is asked ahead is so that both can prep up.....but here is mansoor....changing the topic or as mr.cartoon says, running away from the topic
I have a question for you Muslim why is it that if your Allah want to speak in the Quran he will say (we)could it be that Allah is more than one?
"We decree the following declaration, etc."
It does not indicate plural; rather it displays the highest position in the language. Arabic and many languages provide for the usage of "We" for the royal figure.
Mr cartoon comedy.. 😂😂
Ah...Ah...Mansur avoid debates with Bob...too weak...
Why do you debate with this fool.when he's not having patience to listen to opposite person
Bob the greatest Christian rabbi of present generation, who is denying the whole Jewish scriptures and clear message of oneness of God in the NT. who is putting his own claims and denying top christian scholars. I'm just thinking why Bob doesn't talk to a rabbi to baptize them....
once I remember Rabbi Tovia Singer said "The reason church doesn't teach Hebrew to the christian as we Jews teach to our children is because if they read the word of God in the original language Hebrew, they'll leave the church immediately and embrace Jerusalem.
Those same Jews Rabbis says that Mohammed is not the prophet. End of discussion.
@@cancerrai before Muhammad ﷺ, they also rejected their Messiah ;). And that doesn't change the core belief that ONE GOD ALONE. Lol, you can check about rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon and allowing Jews to enter in a mosque and pray if he wants to but never to put a step inside a church.
@@YuriSurfsYT Jews were the first followers of Jesus and the Gospels are the documented written by Jews for Jews. Jews always believe in the coming of Messiah (Saviour). There are Jews who are Christian today like Dr. Michael Brown.
@@YuriSurfsYT Between we believe in one God. It’s you people who says we don’t. Plus believing in one God does not mean you believe in True God. Even Satanism believe in one God. Does that make their belief to be true?
@@cancerrai bringing Michael Brown here is baseless. There were Jews who were Jews by lineage but later embraced paganism and disobeying God. Even the bible warns the Jews to not to disobey Him. And Just forget Christianity for a single moment and look at the message of aaaaallllll the prophets of the old testament and you'll literally find 0 about 3 person being 1 God. Rather we see strong warning to the Jews from prophet Moshe, Isaiah, Daniel and Ezekiel etc....
Anyway, we never said Jews never followed Jesus, the Christ. We also say followers of Jesus, Al-Hawwariwoon. We believe those Jews who were upon the truth and followed God's message and obey God by obeying His prophets and Messiah. And in Moshe's time, no one could save except through Moses and in Jesus' time, no one could be saved except through him and also that logic apply to all prophets and their people at that time and so Muhammad ﷺ too.
And even Unitarian christians knows your concept of God which is 3 person being one God or trinity what you say is completely illogical and irrational.
So, go and read Deuteronomy 13 word by word and what warning has given to the Jews about believing in other gods which doesn't their fore fathers knew.
Anyway, I gotta do a lot of work. Peace out....
Allah prayd for Mohamed.That is a cartoon
improve your arabic first then come to comment my brother :
Sending blessings upon the Prophet is made clear in the following points:
1- When we say that Allah sends His prayers on the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), it means that He blesses the Prophet.
2- When we say that angels send prayers on the Prophet, it means that they pray to Allah for His blessings for His Prophet.
3- When we, the believers(Muslims), send prayers on the Prophet, it means we should ask Allah to bestow His blessings on Prophet Muhammad.
Improve your Hebrew first before talking about Bible
Praying and blessings are different what a joke
@@jesuslord2098 first of all i didn't talk about Hebrew haha, second you can read the quran translation 😄✌️