Maul knew the plans of Sidious, in the clone wars episode where Maul got new legs he says: so it has began without me Edit: I know season 7 has said otherwise, but please remember that i wrote this comment 2 years ago, when there was no season 7🙃
Yeah. He knew. And Sidious actually did train maul into a Sith lord. Kind of why he’s called “Darth”. And in phantom menace he says “at last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we shall have our revenge.” Cause before the phantom menace, sidious taught him many things about the sith, even took him to malachore v (the place in rebels) and showed him the massacre that was dealt to the sith, and even had him literally breath in the ashes of the dead sith there. He took him there twice to be exact. Sidious just portrayed him and called him an assassin to his master Plagueis so he wouldn’t know he was training an apprentice.
Maul would have to be brain dead if he didn't know Sidious was Palpatine. He also knew the plan because after Mother Talzin healed him, he made a comment that the war started without him.
I agree - he would have to be suffering from a serious case of Louis Lane Syndrome to have somehow failed to have made the connection after spending such considerable time with Palpatine in person.
The latest season of clone wars has made it clear that Maul did NOT know Sidious was Palpatine while they were together, and if he knew anything about the plans it was probably just the separatist side to split off planets and wage war on the republic. I feel like that was hinted at in earlier seasons as well, and also in Rebels. He figures everything out eventually but it takes him a long time.
That's also why he never rolled out the really elite assassin droids into mass production.... Well that and they were bloody expensive to make. Conspiracies need a lot of money to run lolz
Grievous and Palpatine talked after Dooku's death on Utapau, telling him to move the Separatist leaders to Mustafar. Also saying that Dooku's loss was a necessary one so I highly doubt Grievous knew something.
In the novel it's clear grievous had no clue palpatine and sidious where the same person. At one point he talks about killing palpatine and presenting his body to sidious
@The high ground That is an interesting scenario. Surely he would put 2 and 2 together but could no one because he would still be public enemy number 1
I pity Nute Gunray here. He turned to Dooku because he felt betrayed by Darth Sidious after the Blockade of Naboo, only to later, when the war is almost lost and over, find out that Dooku worked for Sidious all along.
@@danielk5780 Gunray: 🤬 you, Sidious! I quit. Count Dooku, are you hiring? Dooku: Yes, my friend. Your resume checks out. Welcome aboard. Oh, I'd like you to meet my boss. Sidious: Guess who?😈 Gunray: What the 🤬!? 😱🤯
I remember watching revenge of the sith with my dad when I was younger . He literally paused the movie , blocked Palpatines face to the effect of his hood . And I couldn't piece it together that he was sidious lol .
I like to imagine that sidious really covered his entire face with his hood, but for the sake of the movie we were shown part of his face. You're right though
Yes, his chin was distinctive. Very few people ever saw an image of Sidious, and even fewer ever saw him in person. Among those few who had seen a hologram of Sidious, but did not know his secret, why would they make a connection between Sidious and Palatine?
Obi-Wan also knew because Dooku told him. Except Obi was an idiot. *Count Dooku:* What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith? *Obi-Wan:* No, that's not possible. The Jedi would sense it. *Count Dooku:* The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious. *Obi-Wan:* I don't believe you. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) Obi-Wan just didn't consider the possibility that Dooku was telling the truth. If he had the Jedi would have gone "who controls the Senate?" The list is very short and once you consider the possibility the pieces fall into place and this time the Jedi coming to arrest Sidious are _the entire council_ since the war had only just begun. Looks like it's now just a two picture deal in a alternate timeline.
casbott I imagine obi wan was looking back on that after order 66 came down like “Oh... Shit... should’ve listened to Dooku I guess. Guy was telling the truth.”
@Devin Dalton I think Dooku was a bad guy and wanted power, but he also hated Palpatine. For 2 main reasons. 1) As Palpatine said when he killed Plageuis "no true Sith would share power" and 2) revenge for the death of Qui-gon Jinn, Dooku's former Padawan. At the end of the Plageuis novel, Dooku tells Palpatine that he's going to go looking for the Sith Lord, even though they were responsible for Qui-Gon's death, because like Dooku the Sith wanted to change the galaxy. But I'm sure that once he felt he'd learned all he needed to - which he probably did by then considering he believed he was going to steamroll over Yoda - he would have turned on Sidious, just as Sith Apprentices always turn on their Masters. And that is why he tried to recruit Obi-Wan as his own apprentice. Both to honour and respect Qui-Gon by saving his apprentice from the destruction of the Jedi, and to get the help of a strong apprentice to help him overthrow Palpatine and replace him as the Sith Lord.
Unfortunately Palpatine has extremely powerful plot armour that prevents anyone from discovering his true identity. If the Jedi had figured it out he never would have made it past the second movie.
I knew they were the same, I've just always heard him being called 'Emperor Palpatine', but now (not now, now but in this time, i mean) I know that Sheev Palpatine's 'Sith Name' is Darth Sidious.
It's not clear WHEN he knew, but he almost certainly was let in on the secret at some point pre Episode 3. He became Grand Vizier as well (potentially in BOTH canon and Legends)
anybody else find it weird how qui gon dying was the last straw for dooku, then he became an apprentice of the one whos apprentice killed qui gon under his orders?
Ville Kuronen, I think Sidious was putting so much effort into projecting and absorbing Force lightning, that he simply dropped the mask. Once he started firing off the lightning there was no more need for a mask. Sidious did not have any visible signs of fresh injuries. There was only a dramatic change in his appearance, which included a massive trench in the top of his head.
I think Tarkin might know something as well, it makes sense given his connections to Palpatines circle before the empire era and his later status during it.
Also the shock troopers that were with him in the room probably knew and I think commander fox knew as well there were rumours that Palpatine orderd fox to kill fives instead of stunning him which fox could have done since his pistol had a stunning option
There are specific moments in Legends where it's confirmed that Grevious didn't know Sidious's identity eg: when he left Palpatine, Obi Wan and Anakin on The Invisible Hand, he thought that Sidious wouldn't be too concerned about Palpatine dying after the Battle of Coruscant.
Yes, it is in the ROTS novelization. Jedi Spartan is directly referring to the novel. The ROTS is one of the best of all of the Legends novels, as well as the companion “prequel” novel, “Labyrinth of Evil.” LoE details the events that led up to the invasion of Coruscant. It also provides more details and insight into Anakin’s state of mind. This is a crucial insight. The film made it seem like Anakin turned all at once. Not quite so in the novelizations. Labyrinth of Evil ends with Anakin and Obi-Wan jumping into hyperspace for Coruscant. RoTS begins with them coming out of hyperspace above Coruscant. The two novels are actually one long story.
I like the ROTS novel a LOT. It did have some issues, inc tweaking Dooku's character and some forced bits. Also left out the 'thunderous applause' line.
Actually General Grievous knew Palpatine as in Episode 3 he said “Wasn’t much of a rescue” and camera pans to Palps face seconds later, as the mission was rescue the chancellor.
Hey, we know factually in both canon and legends that Sidious takes Maul on as an Assassin but after Maul shows insane capability and growth in the force while not being taught the sith ways he changes his mind and Maul becomes his first apprentice.
In the Plagueis novel Sidious told his master that Maul would be just an assassine but he called him "disciplines" later which confused Plagueis. He clearly planned without his master and bend the rule of two (like many Siths before) and even Bane himself
I knew Palpatine was the Emperor. I read the book when I was ten, and it was from the novel I learned the Emperor's real name. So when my sister and I watched The Phantom Menace I explained to her that he would become Emperor....she loved it, especially his comment "I shall watch your career with great interest," to Anakin.
i think greivois did know because in revenge of the sith he tells obi wan he is doomed which i think was refering to order 66 because obi wan was clearly winning the fight and the battle
No, i dont think so. I think Grievous was just taunting Obi-Wan, being the overconfident prick he is. I am sure though that he knows about the Sith (being trained by one). He only knows that Palpatine/Sidious is a powerful Sith Lord and master to Dooku, nothing more.
Raghu Durina Grievous had no idea he thought the separatists would win the war and weren’t set up to fail like they were. He said he’s doomed to obi-wan because he was flexing his power he hasn’t a scooby doo about the truth of the clone wars.
What’s so “creepy” about sidious is that he intellectually fully understood the ideals of democracy and freedom (he came across as a massive good guy and inspirational leader to most people) and yet utterly rejected these same ideals. True villain.
He also understood the flaws of it and exploited it. Ultimately, the problem is that he ultimately served ONLY himself and doesn't care about what happens to anybody else. There was no chance of him being benevolent under any circumstance. He just got rid of democracy because the inherent checks and balances got in the way of him to grabbing unlimited power.
back in 2005 I was young and didn't read much what I knew on star wars at the time I only knew from the movies and games but before the 3rd movie came out the sunday paper had a thing buy the paper every sunday and for an extra $2 you get a 3D star wars badge and Palpatine and Sidious were on the same badge turn and its palp turn to the other side its Sidious and it told me they were the same person mind was blown
In the Darth Plagueis novel Maul is absolutely aware of Palpatine's identity as a senator & wondered y he wasnt being equipped & prepared 2 carry the Siths imperative 4ward
In the Plagueis novel, Maul actually comments on how Sidious had his secret identity of Palpatine and wondered what he would do if Palpatine died as he had no secret identity with which to continue the Grand Plan
Maul was taught by Palpatine of the plan, Palpatine had yet to find a new apprentice or finalize the last details of it, Anakin was not yet known to him. Palpatine had a network of advisors, some of his inner circle was very aware. In the old lore there were entire councils of Sith prophets who helped advise the Emperor later in life, though none were true Sith Lords, the Inquistors and the Emperor's Hand, Eyes, etc which were force-sensitive assassins and agents used to extend the Emperor's reach were aware of Sidious, as were a few other parts of his intelligence network, but it overall was a very tightly kept secret that only was revealed when necessary or had little to no downsides. Wilhuff Tarkin was aware of the plan to turn the Republic into the Empire for most of the war though he did not know Palpatine was a Sith Lord by the time of the Empire he was quite certain of it, not that he cared as both of their goals intertwined. Grievous was completely unaware and only ever saw Sidious's chin, he was aware of Sidious, he was aware that Sidious was the master and the absolute leader in secret of the CIS, but he knew very little beyond that and mostly joined for the chance to kill Jedi.
Sly Moore and Mas Amedda are both confirmed to have known, and Amedda may have been working for Palpatine even back when Valorum was Chancellor, since it's known he was in cohoots with the Trade Federation
I didn't even realized that Palpatine was Sidious, until , Revenge of the Sith, when he asked Anakin to kill Dooku. He is truly a Superman. P.S. :- Guys, this was a joke.
Literally everyone knew that going into the first movie. Or did you think him and the emperor were somehow different people all together? Are you for real dude? You must be joking!
You should have cited a source for Sidious raising Maul. I have never read any of the novels or comic. I had to spend a long time tracking down that information. For anyone who is interested: As portrayed in the novel Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, Maul was raised by Sidious for as long as he can remember. He then trains Maul as a Sith, marking his body with Sith tattoos. Via Wikipedia.
One thing I never understood about Darth Maul is the fact he knew Sidious was Palpatine, yet at no point before Order 66 did he tell the Jedi. Maul clearly was against Sidious after he killed Savage, so why wouldn't he expose him and give the Jedi all the proof he has.
Free Bird Because he hates the Jedi and he literally told Ashoka Anakin would become Palpatine’s apprentice, but she straight up didn’t listen. It would of been too late for the Jedi to believe Maul before Order 66 would commence.
Dooku left the order before Qui-Gon died i thought... in the cannon book 'Master and Apprentice' it gets talked about a lot that Dooku has left, it's even mentioned that he's going by Count Dooku now, and Qui-Gon thinks about how he hasn't yet reached out to his older Master to talk about him leaving the Jedi
@Michael Zoucha In some of the novels, it's obvious. That, and in TCW, he didn't care about fighting the Seps and hated the Jedi more. It's obvious that he knows, considering how he and Palpatine were close bros.
5:02 Maul does have a comment after being restored by Mother Talsin about the force being out of balance, Savage tells him the galaxy is at war, he responds by saying "ah, so it started... without me" I don't know how much of Sidious' plans that he knew of, but I'm going to assume it was more than we think he does
I knew from childhood as in the action figures it said right on the box " emperor palpatine " so when episode one came out and we were introduced to chancellor palpatine , the mystery was over lol
"I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku." "Army or not, you must realize, you are doomed." "[Dooku's] death was a necessary loss. Soon I will have a new apprentice; one far younger and more powerful." Grievous respected Dooku, and killed many Jedi before Obi-Wan ended him. Although Grievous almost certainly had no idea that Sidious was Palpatine, I think it's very plausible that he knows Dooku is a Sith Lord and is Sidious's apprentice. After all, we also know that Gunray and other Separatist leaders were aware of the Sith master/apprentice dynamic and had struck a deal with Sidious. "This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!" "We should have never made this deal."
I knew it the moment he spoke to queen Amidala. His voice sounded the same as the emperor form Return of the Jedi. Fun fact : it's the same actor. In the 1983 Return of the Jedi, they've had to make him look old, in episode 1 or 2, where he meets Amidala, they've had to make him look young. I was so surprised to realise that Palpatine is/would be the scarfaced emperor !!!
I've always thought it would be a little bit awkward if Palpatine's secretary wasn't in on it. It would be impossible for the Supreme Chancellor to keep his official diary and his secret Sith diary straight otherwise. He'd be constantly double booking appointments. He also needs someone to make sure that he never has to meet with the Jedi while its raining. They'd only have to see him with his hood up once and it would all be over.
This entire video is filled with details from the "Darth Plagueis" novel, written by James Luceno. It's a great read. If you're planning on reading it, don't watch this video, unless you want to spoil things for yourself.
The Senate didn't know. Yes a large part did but there was also a large faction that wanted his power curbed and him to be forced to step down after the war if he didn't willingly. The rebel leadership was made up of senators that opposed him and it started near the end of the clone wars. They were willing to secretly side with the separatists remnants to oppose the new regime
Maul was given to sideous when maul was a child ..his mother mistakenly thought Palpatine was a Jedi and knew maul was force sensitive so gave maul to palpatine for a better life ..it goes into detail in the Darth Plagueis book..which should be made into a film the scene where sideous rips 2 windpipes out would be so cool and a way to show how evil and deadly the Sith are also the ambush scene on plagueis and the munes with the vibro discs
Allen I just wanted to share this with you. This is the 2nd time that you have used the Generation Film sign off instead of the Generation Tech sign off. I doubt you will see this comment either but thought I'd share. Awesome vids by the way keep up the great work
Palpatine was a really good at pretending to care when he was really the bad guy behind it all but he is still a good character and the actor that plays him does play a good part
Wait what? This is a Generation tech not generation films? So we're now protagonist and not generation tech even in generation tech? What madness is this, take your pills Allen! For a moment there I thought I had been watching a wrong channel! :D
The Sith Empires of old always seemed to recover, and even hold power for longer than savvy Sidious and co did. There were clearly flaws in both strategies, the fatal one was the rule of two which senselessly meant that the Jedi had to kill just two individuals to defeat the Sith entirely.
What about Tarkin? In the episode where he is captured he tells Anakin that he knows Palpatine pretty well and that he isn't worried for his career after the war.
Dooku's leaving the order has been changed in canon based on the audio drama/novelization - Count Dooku Jedi Lost. Also adds backstory to Assaj Ventress. Also, Maul in Clone Wars knew about the planned war, and refers to it when Savage tells him about it.
Mad Amedda definitely knew by some point during the Clone Wars. There was that episode Palpatine muses to him how “one could have all the power in the galaxy, but the words of a single senator can sway the thoughts of millions”, and that they have to “adhere to the principles of democracy” for the time being. Palpatine would never say something like this to someone he hadn’t let in on his secret.
In hindsight it's easy to see that Sidious was behind every event in the war. Though I subscribe that he was much more hands off in messing with the internal affairs of the war. Only messing with key events that would make or brake the war. Then there were things out of his control that threatened the grand plan, like Dooku getting captured by pirates.
It wouldn't have made enough heat. The heat that would have been made would have been instantly cooled by the freezing air (specifically, at night, temperatures reached -60C)
In Tartakovsky's Clone Wars at least, Grievous couldn't have possibly known that Palpatine was Sidious: he wouldn't have just stood there as Palpatine tried to put him down while ordered to bring in Palpatine alive and uninjured.
I think it's possible that grievous knew because of the little laugh he made when the clone army arrived on utapau. Like he knew that they would turn against Obi-Wan very soon.
it was pretty obvious when i saw episode 1 for the first time, you could tell the features of palpatine were visibly present in his sidious hologram. The Senate was unaware. Of course, Darth Maul must have known. I wonder if count Dooku knew, though, during episode 1. Thats a question, there. Technically Darth Plagueis was alive during part of Episode 1, and he definitely knew.
Wait so if Grievous was let in on the whole “Palpatine controls everything” plot, then that would explain why he tells Obi-Wan “Army or not, you must realize, you are doomed” during their fight on Utapau.
Silly question, how did the rebellion feel about the separatist? The separatists fought against Palpatine, the rebellion fought against Palpatine. Would some in the rebellion feel that maybe Dooku was a hero? Like, maybe one of the rebellion's flagships was named the Dooku, or a fighter squadron named after Grievous?
Boba Fett also knew or at least got a hint because in a book boba had info on who a Sith Lord was but he instead set a trap for mace windo and hat tack him but was stopped by Palaptine but when mace windo left the room palatine told him to forget about the information and then paid him
Not 100% sure but I’d say that the Red Guards had some inside on who Palpatine really was. They were with him all the time and he made them to be completely loyal to him and him alone, but then again I could be wrong
Greivous had no idea. The book 'Labyrinth of Evil' by James Luceno takes place directly before Revenge of the Sith. Among other things, it follows Grievous's kidnapping of Palpatine. In chapters that directly follow Grievous, it's clear in his language that he has not put the two together. The Neimoidians had no idea as well, they curse Palpatine constantly throughout the book. There was someone in that book who figured it out, but was killed shortly afterwards. Great read, highly recommended.
Darth Testes has a better ring to it! Adds a rather unsavory meaning to dark side! Don’t think I want to see his light saber though! It’s flesh colored.
I always wonder if Palpatine had an actual plan if the Separatist Alliance won the Clone Wars. We know that the entire Clone Wars happened because of the birth of the clones and Droid army so they can weaken the Jedi, but did Palpatine, Douku and Grievous have any actual plans if they actually won with Mass Droid Production?
“Palpatine was well liked by the senate” well of course he liked himself
The senate was well liked by the senate
Well of course he liked me, he’s me.
@@kingqunt8567 Lol
*insert obama awarding obama meme*
Cause he is the senate
Maul knew the plans of Sidious, in the clone wars episode where Maul got new legs he says: so it has began without me
Edit: I know season 7 has said otherwise, but please remember that i wrote this comment 2 years ago, when there was no season 7🙃
Interesting, I wonder how he felt when he found out he was replaced by dooku.
Luis Doyer in another episode he referred to dooku as a Jedi pretender”
JOBE my bad haha I remember him calling him a pretender but for some reason though he said Jedi 😂
JOBE this’ll start a war, but for me, maul. No doubt.
Yeah. He knew. And Sidious actually did train maul into a Sith lord. Kind of why he’s called “Darth”. And in phantom menace he says “at last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we shall have our revenge.” Cause before the phantom menace, sidious taught him many things about the sith, even took him to malachore v (the place in rebels) and showed him the massacre that was dealt to the sith, and even had him literally breath in the ashes of the dead sith there. He took him there twice to be exact. Sidious just portrayed him and called him an assassin to his master Plagueis so he wouldn’t know he was training an apprentice.
Maul would have to be brain dead if he didn't know Sidious was Palpatine. He also knew the plan because after Mother Talzin healed him, he made a comment that the war started without him.
I agree - he would have to be suffering from a serious case of Louis Lane Syndrome to have somehow failed to have made the connection after spending such considerable time with Palpatine in person.
Also the fact that he raised maul from infancy according to one book I read
I honestly don't know how it took so long for the Jedi to figure it out.
@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 Don't forget in movies use glasses or hood is enough for perfectly hide someone :-D
The latest season of clone wars has made it clear that Maul did NOT know Sidious was Palpatine while they were together, and if he knew anything about the plans it was probably just the separatist side to split off planets and wage war on the republic. I feel like that was hinted at in earlier seasons as well, and also in Rebels. He figures everything out eventually but it takes him a long time.
When you realise that whole clone wars is just palpatine vs palpatine
Talk about the ultimate split personality disorder.
That's also why he never rolled out the really elite assassin droids into mass production.... Well that and they were bloody expensive to make. Conspiracies need a lot of money to run lolz
no wonder how palpatine won against palpatine
keiichi Maebara it was a joke....
Either way he wins
Grievous and Palpatine talked after Dooku's death on Utapau, telling him to move the Separatist leaders to Mustafar. Also saying that Dooku's loss was a necessary one so I highly doubt Grievous knew something.
In the novel it's clear grievous had no clue palpatine and sidious where the same person. At one point he talks about killing palpatine and presenting his body to sidious
@The high ground That is an interesting scenario. Surely he would put 2 and 2 together but could no one because he would still be public enemy number 1
I pity Nute Gunray here. He turned to Dooku because he felt betrayed by Darth Sidious after the Blockade of Naboo, only to later, when the war is almost lost and over, find out that Dooku worked for Sidious all along.
@@danielk5780
Gunray: 🤬 you, Sidious! I quit. Count Dooku, are you hiring?
Dooku: Yes, my friend. Your resume checks out. Welcome aboard. Oh, I'd like you to meet my boss.
Sidious: Guess who?😈
Gunray: What the 🤬!? 😱🤯
Did nobody ever see his chin? It’s quite distinctive.
I remember watching revenge of the sith with my dad when I was younger .
He literally paused the movie , blocked Palpatines face to the effect of his hood .
And I couldn't piece it together that he was sidious lol .
I like to imagine that sidious really covered his entire face with his hood, but for the sake of the movie we were shown part of his face. You're right though
Maybe, but it’s not as distinct as the 2003 clone wars show
Yes, his chin was distinctive. Very few people ever saw an image of Sidious, and even fewer ever saw him in person. Among those few who had seen a hologram of Sidious, but did not know his secret, why would they make a connection between Sidious and Palatine?
Same with Batman to Bruce Wayne
Obi-Wan also knew because Dooku told him. Except Obi was an idiot.
*Count Dooku:* What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith?
*Obi-Wan:* No, that's not possible. The Jedi would sense it.
*Count Dooku:* The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious.
*Obi-Wan:* I don't believe you.
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002)
Obi-Wan just didn't consider the possibility that Dooku was telling the truth. If he had the Jedi would have gone "who controls the Senate?"
The list is very short and once you consider the possibility the pieces fall into place and this time the Jedi coming to arrest Sidious are _the entire council_ since the war had only just begun.
Looks like it's now just a two picture deal in a alternate timeline.
casbott I imagine obi wan was looking back on that after order 66 came down like “Oh... Shit... should’ve listened to Dooku I guess. Guy was telling the truth.”
he told what dooku said to mace windu, but nobody did anything
@Devin Dalton I think Dooku was a bad guy and wanted power, but he also hated Palpatine. For 2 main reasons. 1) As Palpatine said when he killed Plageuis "no true Sith would share power" and 2) revenge for the death of Qui-gon Jinn, Dooku's former Padawan.
At the end of the Plageuis novel, Dooku tells Palpatine that he's going to go looking for the Sith Lord, even though they were responsible for Qui-Gon's death, because like Dooku the Sith wanted to change the galaxy.
But I'm sure that once he felt he'd learned all he needed to - which he probably did by then considering he believed he was going to steamroll over Yoda - he would have turned on Sidious, just as Sith Apprentices always turn on their Masters.
And that is why he tried to recruit Obi-Wan as his own apprentice. Both to honour and respect Qui-Gon by saving his apprentice from the destruction of the Jedi, and to get the help of a strong apprentice to help him overthrow Palpatine and replace him as the Sith Lord.
casbott all dooku told him was his sith name, he didn’t say that sidious was palpatine
Unfortunately Palpatine has extremely powerful plot armour that prevents anyone from discovering his true identity. If the Jedi had figured it out he never would have made it past the second movie.
Hey, that’s a pretty nice lightsaber you got there
Be shame if I were to
*Add it to my collection*
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What’s crazy is there were some fans who just didn’t believe Sidious and Palpatine were the same guy
I knew they were the same, I've just always heard him being called 'Emperor Palpatine', but now (not now, now but in this time, i mean) I know that Sheev Palpatine's 'Sith Name' is Darth Sidious.
The video is referring to which characters in the movie knew, not us fans lol of course we all knew, it was made obvious.
Dom Mangles there were some people in 1999 I argued with online that were really adamant Sidious and Palpatine were two different people
@@joenesvick7043 Yep and some others were arguing that Palpatine was Sidious' clone.
Dom Mangles for some reason I read your name as malgus
The blue guy who had the big horns on his head knew for sure, in the clone wars palpatine always talks to him about
mas ameda
The blue guy is Mas Ameda
He's a humanoid caterpillar.
It's not clear WHEN he knew, but he almost certainly was let in on the secret at some point pre Episode 3. He became Grand Vizier as well (potentially in BOTH canon and Legends)
@@chrissonofpear1384 He's probably known the entire time,he was always with Palpatine when he talked about the plan
Mas Ameda was aware well before the Yoda and Sidious fight in Revenge.
9:13 Palpatine isn't a part of the Senate..........He is the Senate............
Not yet ;)
@@laurenn9055 Its treason then..............
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Too dangerous to be left alive!
@@zxKAOS1 I'm too weak.Noooo don't kill me plzzz.........................
Palpatine was probably the last to know. Multiple personality disorder is a bugger.
Hahahaha.... didn't see that twist coming 😛
Lol
He is the Senate.
keiichi Maebara joke
WarParty! At the Outpost and sidious and the chancellor
anybody else find it weird how qui gon dying was the last straw for dooku, then he became an apprentice of the one whos apprentice killed qui gon under his orders?
Rywokast and then he tried to turn the one who beat that apprentice
Jake Alter whose apprentice later became his masters new apprentice
Just Your Average TH-cam User who killed both dooku and both of his masters
Either he didn't know, or he didn't blame Maul/Palpatine.
@@Adanu191 what a wrong comment.
In Legends, I am convinced that the “face of Palpatine” was just a mask, created by the Force. The “face of Sidious” was probably his true appearance.
Tbh i like that more than the clouding their mind thing.
and when mace deflected lighting at sidius it revealed his true face
Ville Kuronen, I think Sidious was putting so much effort into projecting and absorbing Force lightning, that he simply dropped the mask. Once he started firing off the lightning there was no more need for a mask.
Sidious did not have any visible signs of fresh injuries. There was only a dramatic change in his appearance, which included a massive trench in the top of his head.
@@thesharpercoder it looked like that force lighting just destroyed that ''mask'' or whatever it was and didnt nothing to palpatine
Subterfuge.
I think Tarkin might know something as well, it makes sense given his connections to Palpatines circle before the empire era and his later status during it.
Wait didn't Fives knew? pretty sure Palpatine whispered to him to plot to kill the jedi and how he controls the clones and leading Fives to went AWOL
yes fives know for little while
didnt palpatine reveal whole truth to fives
Also the shock troopers that were with him in the room probably knew and I think commander fox knew as well there were rumours that Palpatine orderd fox to kill fives instead of stunning him which fox could have done since his pistol had a stunning option
@@Oritsir i doubt that fox knew he was loyal enough to palpatine that he did whatever palpatine says
@@Oritsir They all thought he was just crazy and delusional. Palpatine revealed the truth to fives largely because he knew no one would believe him.
There are specific moments in Legends where it's confirmed that Grevious didn't know Sidious's identity eg: when he left Palpatine, Obi Wan and Anakin on The Invisible Hand, he thought that Sidious wouldn't be too concerned about Palpatine dying after the Battle of Coruscant.
Was this in the ROTS novelization?
Yes, it is in the ROTS novelization. Jedi Spartan is directly referring to the novel.
The ROTS is one of the best of all of the Legends novels, as well as the companion “prequel” novel, “Labyrinth of Evil.” LoE details the events that led up to the invasion of Coruscant. It also provides more details and insight into Anakin’s state of mind. This is a crucial insight. The film made it seem like Anakin turned all at once. Not quite so in the novelizations.
Labyrinth of Evil ends with Anakin and Obi-Wan jumping into hyperspace for Coruscant. RoTS begins with them coming out of hyperspace above Coruscant. The two novels are actually one long story.
@@thesharpercoder I loved both of them, honestly they were both great.
I like the ROTS novel a LOT. It did have some issues, inc tweaking Dooku's character and some forced bits. Also left out the 'thunderous applause' line.
The debriefing with Dooku would’ve been awkward.
9:17 "Darth Sidious was actually a part of the senate"
I think you got this wrong. According to trustworthy sources, he IS the senate.
Actually General Grievous knew Palpatine as in Episode 3 he said “Wasn’t much of a rescue” and camera pans to Palps face seconds later, as the mission was rescue the chancellor.
Hey, we know factually in both canon and legends that Sidious takes Maul on as an Assassin but after Maul shows insane capability and growth in the force while not being taught the sith ways he changes his mind and Maul becomes his first apprentice.
In the Plagueis novel Sidious told his master that Maul would be just an assassine but he called him "disciplines" later which confused Plagueis. He clearly planned without his master and bend the rule of two (like many Siths before) and even Bane himself
I knew Palpatine was the Emperor. I read the book when I was ten, and it was from the novel I learned the Emperor's real name. So when my sister and I watched The Phantom Menace I explained to her that he would become Emperor....she loved it, especially his comment "I shall watch your career with great interest," to Anakin.
And the fact that as soon as you see him you know its the same guy from Return of the Jedi
Richard Harris yup
4:58 so wholesome for some reason
Based on Mas Amedda
's behavior in the Clone War series, it's pretty obvious he was on board with Sidious's plans.
In the Clone Wars cartoon when Grievous captures Palpatine he says his masters want him alive. So in canons and legends he had no idea.
Great video. The more time passes by, the more I realize how great episodes 1 to 3 were.
The Senate knew.
He is the senate
@@SexyPug Exactly
@@SexyPug NOT YET
It’s treason then
@@benjaminjohansen9708 *crack, hiss* SCREEEEEEEEEEEEECH.
i think greivois did know because in revenge of the sith he tells obi wan he is doomed which i think was refering to order 66 because obi wan was clearly winning the fight and the battle
That makes sense.
No, i dont think so. I think Grievous was just taunting Obi-Wan, being the overconfident prick he is. I am sure though that he knows about the Sith (being trained by one). He only knows that Palpatine/Sidious is a powerful Sith Lord and master to Dooku, nothing more.
Raghu Durina Grievous had no idea he thought the separatists would win the war and weren’t set up to fail like they were. He said he’s doomed to obi-wan because he was flexing his power he hasn’t a scooby doo about the truth of the clone wars.
66 likes, nice
He says it because the ship was crashing and Grievous assumed they would die in the crash
What’s so “creepy” about sidious is that he intellectually fully understood the ideals of democracy and freedom (he came across as a massive good guy and inspirational leader to most people) and yet utterly rejected these same ideals. True villain.
"Well, obviously democracy doesn't work if they elected a prick like me. Burn it down!"
He also understood the flaws of it and exploited it. Ultimately, the problem is that he ultimately served ONLY himself and doesn't care about what happens to anybody else. There was no chance of him being benevolent under any circumstance. He just got rid of democracy because the inherent checks and balances got in the way of him to grabbing unlimited power.
back in 2005 I was young and didn't read much what I knew on star wars at the time I only knew from the movies and games but before the 3rd movie came out the sunday paper had a thing buy the paper every sunday and for an extra $2 you get a 3D star wars badge and Palpatine and Sidious were on the same badge turn and its palp turn to the other side its Sidious and it told me they were the same person mind was blown
if I didn't get those badges I woulda went into the movie still not knowing he was the sith
In the Darth Plagueis novel Maul is absolutely aware of Palpatine's identity as a senator & wondered y he wasnt being equipped & prepared 2 carry the Siths imperative 4ward
Wait........
PALPATINE IS DARTH SIDIOUS??!??? Omg spoilers
Right? TOTALLY ruined the movies for me! Dick move, Alan. Dick move.
@@jasoncaldwell8199 Yeah, alan is an anagram for anal.
Cmon everyone knows that
@@enzyblox dumbass
Looney Goon!!!!!!!!
In the Plagueis novel, Maul actually comments on how Sidious had his secret identity of Palpatine and wondered what he would do if Palpatine died as he had no secret identity with which to continue the Grand Plan
didn’t Nala Se and the other Kaminoans know as well? since she did talk to both sidious and chancellor palpatine about the chip in Fives
Huh. I never thought about that.
Hm. It's possible.
Maul was taught by Palpatine of the plan, Palpatine had yet to find a new apprentice or finalize the last details of it, Anakin was not yet known to him. Palpatine had a network of advisors, some of his inner circle was very aware. In the old lore there were entire councils of Sith prophets who helped advise the Emperor later in life, though none were true Sith Lords, the Inquistors and the Emperor's Hand, Eyes, etc which were force-sensitive assassins and agents used to extend the Emperor's reach were aware of Sidious, as were a few other parts of his intelligence network, but it overall was a very tightly kept secret that only was revealed when necessary or had little to no downsides.
Wilhuff Tarkin was aware of the plan to turn the Republic into the Empire for most of the war though he did not know Palpatine was a Sith Lord by the time of the Empire he was quite certain of it, not that he cared as both of their goals intertwined.
Grievous was completely unaware and only ever saw Sidious's chin, he was aware of Sidious, he was aware that Sidious was the master and the absolute leader in secret of the CIS, but he knew very little beyond that and mostly joined for the chance to kill Jedi.
Sly Moore and Mas Amedda are both confirmed to have known, and Amedda may have been working for Palpatine even back when Valorum was Chancellor, since it's known he was in cohoots with the Trade Federation
I didn't even realized that Palpatine was Sidious, until , Revenge of the Sith, when he asked Anakin to kill Dooku. He is truly a Superman.
P.S. :- Guys, this was a joke.
The "Do it!" gave it away.
Ur just dumb then
@@kylemartin3985 or he is joking
Literally everyone knew that going into the first movie. Or did you think him and the emperor were somehow different people all together? Are you for real dude? You must be joking!
Guys, this was a joke.
Common sense, the senate because he is the senate
Man, this would make such a GREAT animated full-length movie... Thank you for this information.
How many people knew that Palpatine was the senate?
Just count the mouth breathers.
How many senators knew that Palpatine was them?
The fact that Sheev being "intimately" involved with anyone makes my skin crawl. XP
Palpy had "unnatural" abilities.
I mean he's good looking as Palpatine.
As Sidious... well....
You should have cited a source for Sidious raising Maul. I have never read any of the novels or comic. I had to spend a long time tracking down that information. For anyone who is interested:
As portrayed in the novel Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, Maul was raised by Sidious for as long as he can remember. He then trains Maul as a Sith, marking his body with Sith tattoos. Via Wikipedia.
One thing I never understood about Darth Maul is the fact he knew Sidious was Palpatine, yet at no point before Order 66 did he tell the Jedi. Maul clearly was against Sidious after he killed Savage, so why wouldn't he expose him and give the Jedi all the proof he has.
Free Bird Because he hates the Jedi and he literally told Ashoka Anakin would become Palpatine’s apprentice, but she straight up didn’t listen. It would of been too late for the Jedi to believe Maul before Order 66 would commence.
Maul knew,in The Clone Wars Savage tells Maul that it’s during The Clone Wars and Maul responds with,”So it started without me...”
Dooku left the order before Qui-Gon died i thought... in the cannon book 'Master and Apprentice' it gets talked about a lot that Dooku has left, it's even mentioned that he's going by Count Dooku now, and Qui-Gon thinks about how he hasn't yet reached out to his older Master to talk about him leaving the Jedi
Outside of Maul, it seems that Dooku and Tarkin knew from the start.
@Michael Zoucha In some of the novels, it's obvious. That, and in TCW, he didn't care about fighting the Seps and hated the Jedi more. It's obvious that he knows, considering how he and Palpatine were close bros.
5:02 Maul does have a comment after being restored by Mother Talsin about the force being out of balance, Savage tells him the galaxy is at war, he responds by saying "ah, so it started... without me" I don't know how much of Sidious' plans that he knew of, but I'm going to assume it was more than we think he does
Can you make some kotor era history videos? I'd really like to know more about that era.
I knew from childhood as in the action figures it said right on the box " emperor palpatine " so when episode one came out and we were introduced to chancellor palpatine , the mystery was over lol
"I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku."
"Army or not, you must realize, you are doomed."
"[Dooku's] death was a necessary loss. Soon I will have a new apprentice; one far younger and more powerful."
Grievous respected Dooku, and killed many Jedi before Obi-Wan ended him. Although Grievous almost certainly had no idea that Sidious was Palpatine, I think it's very plausible that he knows Dooku is a Sith Lord and is Sidious's apprentice. After all, we also know that Gunray and other Separatist leaders were aware of the Sith master/apprentice dynamic and had struck a deal with Sidious. "This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!" "We should have never made this deal."
I knew it the moment he spoke to queen Amidala. His voice sounded the same as the emperor form Return of the Jedi. Fun fact : it's the same actor. In the 1983 Return of the Jedi, they've had to make him look old, in episode 1 or 2, where he meets Amidala, they've had to make him look young. I was so surprised to realise that Palpatine is/would be the scarfaced emperor !!!
I've always thought it would be a little bit awkward if Palpatine's secretary wasn't in on it. It would be impossible for the Supreme Chancellor to keep his official diary and his secret Sith diary straight otherwise. He'd be constantly double booking appointments. He also needs someone to make sure that he never has to meet with the Jedi while its raining. They'd only have to see him with his hood up once and it would all be over.
This entire video is filled with details from the "Darth Plagueis" novel, written by James Luceno. It's a great read. If you're planning on reading it, don't watch this video, unless you want to spoil things for yourself.
The Senate didn't know. Yes a large part did but there was also a large faction that wanted his power curbed and him to be forced to step down after the war if he didn't willingly. The rebel leadership was made up of senators that opposed him and it started near the end of the clone wars. They were willing to secretly side with the separatists remnants to oppose the new regime
Maul was given to sideous when maul was a child ..his mother mistakenly thought Palpatine was a Jedi and knew maul was force sensitive so gave maul to palpatine for a better life ..it goes into detail in the Darth Plagueis book..which should be made into a film the scene where sideous rips 2 windpipes out would be so cool and a way to show how evil and deadly the Sith are also the ambush scene on plagueis and the munes with the vibro discs
Allen I just wanted to share this with you. This is the 2nd time that you have used the Generation Film sign off instead of the Generation Tech sign off. I doubt you will see this comment either but thought I'd share. Awesome vids by the way keep up the great work
Did you try force choking him while mumbling “you have failed me for the last time?”
Palpatine was a really good at pretending to care when he was really the bad guy behind it all but he is still a good character and the actor that plays him does play a good part
Wait what? This is a Generation tech not generation films? So we're now protagonist and not generation tech even in generation tech? What madness is this, take your pills Allen! For a moment there I thought I had been watching a wrong channel! :D
*deathsticks
The Sith Empires of old always seemed to recover, and even hold power for longer than savvy Sidious and co did. There were clearly flaws in both strategies, the fatal one was the rule of two which senselessly meant that the Jedi had to kill just two individuals to defeat the Sith entirely.
9:18 sorry, apart of the senate? He is the senate.
What about Tarkin? In the episode where he is captured he tells Anakin that he knows Palpatine pretty well and that he isn't worried for his career after the war.
Make a video on who all new Vaders true identity! Great video!!👍☯️👍
Dooku's leaving the order has been changed in canon based on the audio drama/novelization - Count Dooku Jedi Lost. Also adds backstory to Assaj Ventress. Also, Maul in Clone Wars knew about the planned war, and refers to it when Savage tells him about it.
I knew before the end of episode 1 chancellor palpatine does really sound like emporer palpatine from rotj
Me to it was actually pretty obvious.
@@jzblue345 it was meant to be obvious
Mad Amedda definitely knew by some point during the Clone Wars. There was that episode Palpatine muses to him how “one could have all the power in the galaxy, but the words of a single senator can sway the thoughts of millions”, and that they have to “adhere to the principles of democracy” for the time being. Palpatine would never say something like this to someone he hadn’t let in on his secret.
In hindsight it's easy to see that Sidious was behind every event in the war. Though I subscribe that he was much more hands off in messing with the internal affairs of the war. Only messing with key events that would make or brake the war. Then there were things out of his control that threatened the grand plan, like Dooku getting captured by pirates.
I have question, why Luke didn't use his light saber to generate heat(by slashing snow)?
It wouldn't have made enough heat. The heat that would have been made would have been instantly cooled by the freezing air (specifically, at night, temperatures reached -60C)
Depending on the crystal he may not have been able to. You're very well could have been a ice kyber Crystal.
In Tartakovsky's Clone Wars at least, Grievous couldn't have possibly known that Palpatine was Sidious: he wouldn't have just stood there as Palpatine tried to put him down while ordered to bring in Palpatine alive and uninjured.
I think it was pretty common knowledge that dooku was a sith lord, so i’m pretty sure grievous would know too
if you read the Plagueis novel, it shows that Mas Amida and Sate Pestage knew who he was and when exactly they found out
Answer: everybody who had already recognised actor Ian McDiarmid from seeing him in RSC stage productions
or just seeing him in Return of the Jedi
I think it's possible that grievous knew because of the little laugh he made when the clone army arrived on utapau. Like he knew that they would turn against Obi-Wan very soon.
Oh I know this....
The senate knew about it.
I enjoyed this look behind the sith scenes. Loved it. The Sith Cult reminds me of the Tamrielic Imperial Cult.
Darth sidious wasn't part of the Senate, he was the Senate
He definitely knew Dooku was a sith. It was knowledge of the entire Jedi Order and most of the GAR so Greivous would have found out one way or another
it was pretty obvious when i saw episode 1 for the first time, you could tell the features of palpatine were visibly present in his sidious hologram.
The Senate was unaware. Of course, Darth Maul must have known. I wonder if count Dooku knew, though, during episode 1. Thats a question, there. Technically Darth Plagueis was alive during part of Episode 1, and he definitely knew.
Wait so if Grievous was let in on the whole “Palpatine controls everything” plot, then that would explain why he tells Obi-Wan “Army or not, you must realize, you are doomed” during their fight on Utapau.
Wait Chancellor Palpatine is also Darth Sidious 😱
In the latest episodes of Clone Wars, Maul says he was not privy to his master’s plans, but he did know a little bit
The senate always knows who the senate is
Silly question, how did the rebellion feel about the separatist? The separatists fought against Palpatine, the rebellion fought against Palpatine. Would some in the rebellion feel that maybe Dooku was a hero? Like, maybe one of the rebellion's flagships was named the Dooku, or a fighter squadron named after Grievous?
Everybody knew, except Joe Biden.
Biden thought Palpatine was Corn Pop.
True
biden looked him in the eye and called him a lying dog faced pony soldier
Don’t bring politics into Star Wars you piece of shit
My mom realized it right away the first time they showed Palpatine on screen.
The answer is simple: everyone who’s watched the movies
Boba Fett also knew or at least got a hint because in a book boba had info on who a Sith Lord was but he instead set a trap for mace windo and hat tack him but was stopped by Palaptine but when mace windo left the room palatine told him to forget about the information and then paid him
These guys knew for sure:
Maul
Dooku
Fives(the clone trooper)
Pong Krell
Mas Amedda
Slymor
Nute Gunray
Qui Gon too thats y maul killed him bec palpatine knew his a threat
Not 100% sure but I’d say that the Red Guards had some inside on who Palpatine really was. They were with him all the time and he made them to be completely loyal to him and him alone, but then again I could be wrong
Not to mention that if Palpatine was in bed with his force sensitive assistant, it is entirely possible that is how Rey was conceived.
nah the span of years dosen't add up rey would have to be alot older then luke and laia
@@Farquarl7 Not necessarily. grandchildren are still direct descendants. Palpatine could have conceived one of Rey's parents.
I love this video title, it the exact dialogue of literally every star wars character after order 66
Can claim (with 90 ish % accuracy) that i am the first Australian watching this... truely a master of the force
Hi mite!
@@NightRaven-lh1bf The fact you know about the Red Ensign is enough for me... Lets rule this comment section
@@astrobot4017 G'Day
@@NightRaven-lh1bf Holy, I can respect that. Tried to enlist myself trough RMC but was deemed medically unfit. Serious respect my man
@@NightRaven-lh1bf Just gotta keep them subdued for now... then use artillery on them
Dooku was a good sith / Jedi type of character played the role really well
But did George Lucas know or was it edited in in post?
Greivous had no idea. The book 'Labyrinth of Evil' by James Luceno takes place directly before Revenge of the Sith. Among other things, it follows Grievous's kidnapping of Palpatine. In chapters that directly follow Grievous, it's clear in his language that he has not put the two together. The Neimoidians had no idea as well, they curse Palpatine constantly throughout the book.
There was someone in that book who figured it out, but was killed shortly afterwards. Great read, highly recommended.
who knew allen was darth testicles
Darth Testes has a better ring to it! Adds a rather unsavory meaning to dark side! Don’t think I want to see his light saber though! It’s flesh colored.
glad to see you are feeling better.
My uncle said he was sidious before the clone wars even came out and he always thought so since he was a kid. He called it 🤣
I always wonder if Palpatine had an actual plan if the Separatist Alliance won the Clone Wars. We know that the entire Clone Wars happened because of the birth of the clones and Droid army so they can weaken the Jedi, but did Palpatine, Douku and Grievous have any actual plans if they actually won with Mass Droid Production?
After watching the clone wars I was thinking how the hell did the Jedi not know Palpatine was a bad guy?
Maul knew of Sidious' identity from an early age, he even took him to the outside of the jedi temple as a child so he could see his enemies up close
As always, wonderful video!