As a Boston fan I loved to see him finally get his chance and shine. But with an average second half and a not reliable resume, I don’t think he’s a lock
For sure. He was their best pitcher for half the season. WHIP below .9. I remember at one point their entire pitching staff had a WHIP below one. Can't wait for them to trade none of them and again miss the playoffs with the best pitching staff in the league
Blaming Gerrit Cole for pitching through an UCL sprain injury season and dropping him down to 15th only 1 year removed from a CY young season and putting Tyler Glasnow at number 10 is nasty work.
Mark glazes Tyler Glasnow for some unknown reason, If I remember right at some point around the All Star break he picked Glasnow to win the Cy Young while he had a mid 3 ERA and there were like 20 pitchers who were far and away better than him, unsurprising he was wrong
@@jbryant5253Glasnow was 3rd in CY young voting betting odds at the time, an all-star, and led the league in K's. Which, coming from a Braves fan, not only should you not be talking shit about that(Strider's entire shtick is that), but we wouldn't expect you to know ball anyway. 😂
Their worst pitcher is either gonsolin or dustin may and if those are the worst pitchers on the team then damn that rotation is loaded... those are front line starters for many teams
As a Sox fan I thought there was a 50/50 shot he’d be on here. He’s ranked 29th on ESPN, and 61st on CBS. Some of that is projections/past seasons. I’d rank him top 35 because his stuff is top 10 in the league with that movement but I want to see more consistency and less home runs.
@Jackson54321 Houck led the league in fewest HRs allowed per 9 innings at 0.6. He definitely had a disappointing second half, but HRs allowed aren't his issue.
@@ephraimkahn7276 that’s a fair counter argument, maybe it was purely the eye test but it felt he let up (like most Sox starters) a ton of hard hit balls and homers in that second half. To be fair, his exit velocity given up to batters isn’t great, even though he throws a lot of soft stuff that gets a ton of groundouts.
oh boy here we go, as the resident giants fan in this comment section, marc, buddy, my guy, my good man, webb is simply way too low, the dude was still disgusting last year and although i do agree with you that he got hit way harder than we all would’ve liked last year, i still believe he’s easily a top 20 (minimum) pitcher in the league, especially if we sign burnes and he wont be forced to carry our rotation for the fifth year in a row, but don’t worry marc, i still love you 😁
@@RCunderscore I get why Marc wouldn't put him there (track record and basic advanced analytics), but I agree he needs to be up there. If you dig into his stuff his arsenal is very similar to Wheeler. The combination of a flat four seamer and a high run sinker has been proven to be legit, especially when you add in 3 other secondary pitches. He may not have had the swing and miss this year, but the nature of his stuff + his great command shows that he likely will have higher K rates throughout his career.
I’m an M’a fan and I understand him not being here yet like he is amazing and I believe he is going to continue it but he is still mostly a fast ball pitcher if that starts to get hit it will be a problem but in the 2nd half he started to get good Value from his secondary stuff so if that continues I believe he will be top 20 next year 100% his fastball is insanely good
If the Mariners had an actual average MLB lineup instead of a historically terrible one for 5 months of the season last year, Logan Gilbert & George Kirby would be Cy Young Candidates.
It's fair. Unless you're a delusional Braves fan, which is what you probably are, I'd rather have Burnes, Wheeler, Skubal and Skenes over him next season. Snell too, while we're at it b
Wheeler was simply not as good, and he’s not much younger. Don’t really get that pick. I’d take Burnes before wheeler and Crochet because he throws innings consistently and is younger.
@@greatnessdelton1381Skubal has had one good season in 2024. Chris Sale, on the other hand, has 50+ WAR as a pitcher and is putting up a borderline HOF case
@@mbmaccin555555 I'm a Dbacks fan too - If we give him a 160 mil extension that will be our undoing. He doesn't live up to his ace reputation, got kinda shelled in the playoffs. Walks too many guys for a "control guy". I would love to be wrong (you too, i'm sure)
No Shohei Ohtani on here is nasty work. Especially when Sandy Alcantara and Shane McClanahan are on here, and they all didn't even pitch last season. Strider also only pitched 9 innings, and I get that DeGrom is DeGrom, but he only pitched in 10.2 innings last season
@ Fairs, but Sandy wasn’t himself in 2023 and Shohei was. No disrespect to Sandy whatsoever, he’s one of the best pitchers in baseball when he’s fully healthy
@@ryanclark1450 I’m saying Skenes didn’t pitch a full season last year so Shohei not starting the beginning of the year doesn’t change that he’s a top 15-20 pitcher in baseball
I feel like Ohtani should be in the low 30s/high 20s here I know he is coming off injury but when he’s healthy he’s a low 3 era, 200 K pitcher and I don’t think his health is a huge concern considering he just went 50/50 while rehabbing
@ yeah that’s true but my understanding is that’s more of a result from the labrum surgery not his elbow and the injured shoulder is his non throwing arm. I think they just want to give him an innings limit and since they start the season extra early they decided he should pitch at the start
No Luis Gil is kinda crazy I’m not gonna lie, he won the rookie of the year in the American League with good numbers and potential but then your putting people that have only pitched like 90 innings in mlb in the top 30
You may have underrated Gilbert a bit. His numbers other than wins (no run support) compare pretty favorably to a couple of the guys ahead of him. But unlike them, he eats innings year after year.
Dropping Gerrit Cole 14 spots is a biased Mets fans work. He is still top 10 no doubt. Having Gerrit Cole drop that much but putting DeGrom at 9 after throwing 3 starts this season and 6 the previous season is insane.
It was so sad to see Shane Bieber get injured. He pitched 12 shutout innings with about 20 K's to start the season. With a hurt arm! The ceiling was so high if he was healthy. Hopfully, he will come back and dominate for us in 25 and 26.
Big respect for showing Schwellenbach the love. I don't know where he came from as he just showed up out of nowhere last year but the guy is nasty. Like you mentioned 2 things he excelled in really should never be found in the same pitcher. Usually you either have a high chase rate or you have a low number of walks, you're not supposed to dominate at both it doesn't make sense. If all goes to plan the Braves will have 2 absolute studs named Spencer S. In there rotation for awhile.
Track record isn't very telling when it comes to future performance. Crochet's handling by the White Sox was malpractice, as they basically didn't allow him to provide length because they spent the second half of the season protecting him as a trade asset. 4 is aggressive yes, but his combination of stuff and command from a lefty is ridiculous
Ummmm hi where is Tanner Houck? He was one of the best pitchers this season and you decided not to put him in the top? Or did you forget? Hey, honestly, Tanner has more potential and talent than Yoshinobu Yamamoto already And Pablo López Oh Justin Stelee. The truth is that you are or they are underestimating Tanner Houck a lot.
He's won everything but the Cy. I do believe he will prioritize pitching the next several seasons. He wants to win that last award and become the unanimous goat
Skenes is actually hard to rank, I know he looks invincible now, but wait until the veteran hitters have seen him a few times. Not trying to say he won't still be great, but it's gonna be hard to maintain that Superman mystique. We'll see.
You can already seen that happened. Before/during the allstar break he was one of the best if not the best pitchers. A bit after he struggled a bit and came right back at the end of the year. I think he can easily dominate the league for years to come but he just has to keep changing it up, which he did. He went from using fastball mainly to having a changeup he relied on, something you can’t prepare for if he keeps changing it up. His stuff is filthy some of the nastiest stuff in the league, it’s just whether or not he can stay unpredictable and so far it seems like he has done a pretty good job at, just needs to keep it up.
He's got some of the nastiest stuff I've ever seen, there's no denying that. But there's also more to pitching than that. He's about as much of a sure shot as you can ever get, but there's no such thing as a sure shot.
I can agree with this not gonna say skenes can’t still be incredible next season but I gotta see how he does. I know Corbin carrell isn’t a pitcher but even he had an awful sophomore slump and everyone was saying he wasn’t going to, again not saying he will but let’s see if they people actually start to figure him out in his single season but no matter what he’s disgusting lol
@@King-03530 exactly, and someone like Skenes is as close to a slam dunk as possible, I'm old enough to remember Clayton Kershaw, and he was the same way, his stuff was just so electric there was no way he was ever gonna be bad. But it's not like he never had struggles. Major League hitters are animals, they'll figure out a way to hit anyone.
2nd to last day and it’s the SP, quite a lot of rises and drops, but the Biggest Rise: Dylan Cease, 30 to 13 (17 spots) Biggest Drop: Logan Webb, 7 to 26 (19 spots) That’s it!! ALMOST, see ya tomorrow for the top 50 players in MLB!!
He's gotta be top 10. By stuff, he's up there with Skenes, Strider, and Glasnow, the best in the game, and he's seen as having a higher ceiling than Yamamoto. Which is crazy, because the latter won the equivalent of the CY young in Japan 3 times and was extremely dominant in his abridged rookie season. But he's unproven in MLB obviously, and the dude isn't very durable. He never topped 130 IP in any of his four seasons in Japan before crossing over, despite being in a league where the ball is smaller and you pitch once a week. And given his stuff, he's a TJ candidate within his first three years. 🤷♂️
@ lmaoo I know. He actually thought about Juan Soto over judge. Which is crazy. Sometimes I question the ball knowledge simply just because of his Mets bias
I could be slightly biased but as an astros fan, with the start of the year Hunter Brown had and the finish he had, he gotta be on here. There is no reason injuries pitchers who haven’t pitched in a year should be on here
Oh, Marc, Marc, Marc. You appear to have forgotten that Shohei Ohtani is also a pitcher. I know he didn't pitch last year, but that didn't stop you from putting other pitchers on the list who were injured last year. You also whiffed on the relief pitchers by leaving out Blake Treinen. Here's a hint for you: Treinen was used in higher leverage situations in the postseason than Kopech, who was on your list.
Gerrit out of the top 10 is literally insane when Glasnows career high innings like you said tallied 135💀 but he was apart of the team that beat the Yankees so he gets the nudge smh, also love to see Jake get the bias placement as well.
Notable omissions for me are Gallen and Hunter Brown. I would want to find a way to slot them in myself. My main gripe with this ranking is crochet at 4. The dude has stuff for days and had a great year but I still need to see a lot more from a dude who just pitched over 65 innings for the first time in his career, not his mlb career or even his professional career but in any recorded league. And while he had a good year, he wasn’t one of the best in the league and had an ERA approaching 5 in the second half. Way too aggressive with him
Cole has one injury shortened season where he still pitched well above average and he drops 14 spots but glasnow who has never had a full season doesn’t move at all.
and that’s why former oakland A’s now NY Mets pitchers: sean manaea and paul blackburn will be a dynamic duo to help the mets win the 2025 world series
Insane that the Guardians who are typically a pitching factory had zero reliable starters most of the year and made it as Rae as they did. Speaks monumental volumes to how good the bullpen was, not even just Clase
I don't disagree with the Framer placement, however, it should be noted that even though he started Game 1 of the wild-card series, he was the Astros' second-best pitcher last year. After Hunter Brown added that sinker to his arsenal, he was even better than Valdez.
Yeah First month of the season was horrendous he was throwing like 94 mph on the 4 seamer, but after he came out of the pen for a game he got back up to 98
Skenes really REALLY reminds me of the what was SUPPOSED TO BE, next great generational mlb pitcher: Matt Harvey. That dude came up to the Mets IMMEDIATELY after being drafted, and absolutly destroyed the opposition. He had a near 100mph fastball(when 100mph was rare as hell) and could strike out any batter he faced. BUT THEN. The usual thing with hard throwing pitchers happened, and he was never even close to that level again; Tom the Tommy John. But yeah, Skenes has the exact same vibes as Harvey. Lets see if he can not be as unlucky tho
Cole getting dropped to 15 is absolutely absurd. Was throwing the best innings of his life in the playoffs and his fastball was obviously worse because of injury
As an Orioles fan, I agree. Hope he can comeback at the end of this season and be how he was. He for sure has some of the best breaking stuff in the game
@@BillyBall35 losing him was a real gut punch last year. It's a shame we didn't get to see more of him and Burnes at the top of the rotation together. Could have been a special season.
Brent Honeywell Jr. better be no.1
Sickening Mets bias to leave him off. I’m literally nauseous
Brent Honeywell Jr is GOD
I hope we send him to the minors
2025 cy young
Nah it better be Rick hill
Love how we see Cole get punished for injury yet Edwin Diaz didn’t
@@cruzin1872 Diaz wasn’t hurt, he was just playing Cy Young ball in Marc’s head most of his life.
No Tanner Houck in the rankings is criminal lol. Dude was a machine all year long and all star for Boston.
As a Boston fan I loved to see him finally get his chance and shine. But with an average second half and a not reliable resume, I don’t think he’s a lock
He had a breakout season and is one of the nastiest pitchers in baseball. Hes basically a right handed sale. @@PaggiPazzo-so4ku
@@PaggiPazzo-so4kuwas thinking this exactly
agreed
@@hdiverson Houck is in Reynaldo Lopez purgatory. Giraffeneckhack.
Bryan Woo snubbed. Mariners have the best staff in MLB.
I definitely think he should be here but at least the other 3 made it best rotation in baseball and it’s not even close
For real. The 3 others still deserve it. But Castillo is not good enough, but some will still add him.
I checked the comments early cuz I felt like he’d be snubbed
For sure. He was their best pitcher for half the season. WHIP below .9. I remember at one point their entire pitching staff had a WHIP below one. Can't wait for them to trade none of them and again miss the playoffs with the best pitching staff in the league
@ As a Mets fan I wanna take Castillo from u guys
And that’s why Sean Manaea is the greatest pitcher to ever play Major League Baseball and will win the 2025 Cy Young
hahaahah i was waiting to hear that.
wrong. its obviously Clay Holmes
Dude it's not funny anymore
I like his content but burries every Phillie or x MET
@@DonLewis9274 Yeah, if anything he's more biased against the Phillies than for the Mets lol
Blaming Gerrit Cole for pitching through an UCL sprain injury season and dropping him down to 15th only 1 year removed from a CY young season and putting Tyler Glasnow at number 10 is nasty work.
age plays a bigger actor in his opinion i guess
Mark glazes Tyler Glasnow for some unknown reason, If I remember right at some point around the All Star break he picked Glasnow to win the Cy Young while he had a mid 3 ERA and there were like 20 pitchers who were far and away better than him, unsurprising he was wrong
@@jbryant5253Glasnow was 3rd in CY young voting betting odds at the time, an all-star, and led the league in K's. Which, coming from a Braves fan, not only should you not be talking shit about that(Strider's entire shtick is that), but we wouldn't expect you to know ball anyway. 😂
@greatnessdelton1381 Chris Sale won the Cy Young, sit down lil bro. 😂
@@jbryant5253Who won the world series, sit down lil bro
Cole was really good towards the end of the year. His numbers were inflated from coming back from injury.
Was great in the playoffs other than that one play too. He’s bugging not having him in the top 10
@ 💯
Another example of Marc not knowing ball
Have to always look at the Yankee and Mets rankings different with this guy.
respect for having schwellenbach
Jarred jones will be top 20 next year mark my words
Cole at 15 is crazy
probably the worst ranking hes ever done easily
Skankee Fan Tears 🍵
Devers gives Cole nightmares
@@jasonfondeur376 coming from a tigers fan that hates the Yankees and it’s an insane ranking lmao, just say you don’t know ball.
Hunter Greene at a sneaky 6.3 war is crazy
That number is fake it's based on his DRS
No tanner houck is insane
He’s not on here?
Yeah he is definitely in the Top 30
Dodgers rotation is gunna be crazy
Their worst pitcher is either gonsolin or dustin may and if those are the worst pitchers on the team then damn that rotation is loaded... those are front line starters for many teams
BRO NO TANNER HOUCK????
I was in shock lol
As a Sox fan I thought there was a 50/50 shot he’d be on here. He’s ranked 29th on ESPN, and 61st on CBS. Some of that is projections/past seasons. I’d rank him top 35 because his stuff is top 10 in the league with that movement but I want to see more consistency and less home runs.
@Jackson54321 Houck led the league in fewest HRs allowed per 9 innings at 0.6. He definitely had a disappointing second half, but HRs allowed aren't his issue.
@@ephraimkahn7276 that’s a fair counter argument, maybe it was purely the eye test but it felt he let up (like most Sox starters) a ton of hard hit balls and homers in that second half. To be fair, his exit velocity given up to batters isn’t great, even though he throws a lot of soft stuff that gets a ton of groundouts.
oh boy here we go, as the resident giants fan in this comment section, marc, buddy, my guy, my good man, webb is simply way too low, the dude was still disgusting last year and although i do agree with you that he got hit way harder than we all would’ve liked last year, i still believe he’s easily a top 20 (minimum) pitcher in the league, especially if we sign burnes and he wont be forced to carry our rotation for the fifth year in a row, but don’t worry marc, i still love you 😁
totally agree i think he definetly overacted
he’s top 10 lmao
@@olivermarburg dawg he’s 26 lmao
@@jonaht506 yeah i know im saying he’s a top 10 pitcher. absolute dawg
@ oh yeah mb bro, disgraceful that he’s that low
No Bryan woo? Ball knowledge on life support
exactly no bryan woo or zac gallen
@@RCunderscore I get why Marc wouldn't put him there (track record and basic advanced analytics), but I agree he needs to be up there. If you dig into his stuff his arsenal is very similar to Wheeler. The combination of a flat four seamer and a high run sinker has been proven to be legit, especially when you add in 3 other secondary pitches. He may not have had the swing and miss this year, but the nature of his stuff + his great command shows that he likely will have higher K rates throughout his career.
I’m an M’a fan and I understand him not being here yet like he is amazing and I believe he is going to continue it but he is still mostly a fast ball pitcher if that starts to get hit it will be a problem but in the 2nd half he started to get good Value from his secondary stuff so if that continues I believe he will be top 20 next year 100% his fastball is insanely good
his ball knowledge never existed
If the Mariners had an actual average MLB lineup instead of a historically terrible one for 5 months of the season last year, Logan Gilbert & George Kirby would be Cy Young Candidates.
Chris Sale at number 6 is crazy
I saw someone else not even rank sale in top ten lol guy wins a cy young and gets no respect
It's fair. Unless you're a delusional Braves fan, which is what you probably are, I'd rather have Burnes, Wheeler, Skubal and Skenes over him next season. Snell too, while we're at it b
@@greatnessdelton1381 I am not a braves fan. I just notice things wrong.
Wheeler was simply not as good, and he’s not much younger. Don’t really get that pick. I’d take Burnes before wheeler and Crochet because he throws innings consistently and is younger.
@@greatnessdelton1381Skubal has had one good season in 2024. Chris Sale, on the other hand, has 50+ WAR as a pitcher and is putting up a borderline HOF case
Zac Gallen should at least be on here
Nah he had a bad year
Imma dbacks fan, he hella struggled
@@mbmaccin555555 I'm a Dbacks fan too - If we give him a 160 mil extension that will be our undoing. He doesn't live up to his ace reputation, got kinda shelled in the playoffs. Walks too many guys for a "control guy". I would love to be wrong (you too, i'm sure)
No Shohei Ohtani on here is nasty work. Especially when Sandy Alcantara and Shane McClanahan are on here, and they all didn't even pitch last season. Strider also only pitched 9 innings, and I get that DeGrom is DeGrom, but he only pitched in 10.2 innings last season
Yea but Sandy won the cy young a few years ago Shohei didn’t
@ Fairs, but Sandy wasn’t himself in 2023 and Shohei was. No disrespect to Sandy whatsoever, he’s one of the best pitchers in baseball when he’s fully healthy
@@YaBoyyJohnNBA Sandy and Shane are pitching opening day, Ohtani is reported to likely not be ready by then
@@Chance_2018 and what about strider?
Sandy when he’s health has always been a better pitcher than shohei so I understand him not being on the list
All 5 mariners starters
Should've had the entire Mariners starting rotation here
And why Seattle needs to ship at least one of them out to get some bats
Yeah where’s woo! (We don’t need Castillo)
No Houck is wild. Was in cy young conversation until like august.
Tanner Houck should have been given much more credit. I swear he never looks at the Boston pitchers smh.
I kept thinking he was next, then it got high enough where I’m ’oh, he’s not even on this’.
He was kinda awful in the second half
Max Fried and Garret Cole have pitched like top ten pitchers for the last half decade or so and they’re 15th and 23rd?
these rankings were a joke. love marc but he’s out of his mind with some of these rankings
Shouldn't Shohei be in this top since he's pitching next year?
@@brandonespinoza9737 He probably won't be pitching until a couple months in
Yeah but he included a guy who only pitched 90 innings last year. @@ryanclark1450
@@ryanclark1450Skenes didn’t pitch a full season last year. Shohei should be listed. Even if he’s last
@@Paulallen83 Yeah but Skenes is pitching opening day. Strider is the one who maybe shouldn't be listed
@@ryanclark1450 I’m saying Skenes didn’t pitch a full season last year so Shohei not starting the beginning of the year doesn’t change that he’s a top 15-20 pitcher in baseball
I feel like Ohtani should be in the low 30s/high 20s here I know he is coming off injury but when he’s healthy he’s a low 3 era, 200 K pitcher and I don’t think his health is a huge concern considering he just went 50/50 while rehabbing
If health wasn’t a concern he would be pitching in the first series of 2025 but he isn’t
@ yeah that’s true but my understanding is that’s more of a result from the labrum surgery not his elbow and the injured shoulder is his non throwing arm. I think they just want to give him an innings limit and since they start the season extra early they decided he should pitch at the start
Expecting Bryan Woo next year
ok.... now crochet is good..... but ahead of burnes AND sale?!?!
Reynaldo Lopez omission is criminal. Bro was filthy last year.
it's crazy he was not here
Came here to say exactly that!
But de Grom of course. Top ten pitcher for the fight’n cripples.
He only threw 135 innings and had below average expected numbers. He won’t do what he did last year again
@@tgorefanin that case, why was schwellenbach on this list but not Lopez???? You’re lost lol
Chris sale winning the cy young and not being one or two is crazy to me
Literally
Ahhhh Mariners staff is so nice
Please keep the Team Fonts for the Numbers.
Where is my Woo
Bryan woo needs to be on this list
No Luis Gil is kinda crazy I’m not gonna lie, he won the rookie of the year in the American League with good numbers and potential but then your putting people that have only pitched like 90 innings in mlb in the top 30
Delusional Yankee fans...
i mean if shohei somehow did not make the list then gil will absolutely not be there
@@superfactorial5717 wait how did bro forget about ohtani😭😭
@@MsKay2000 I’m stating the obvious
@@MsKay2000no he’s simply fucking good
Marc I know you hate the braves but Reynaldo Lopez not being here invalidates this entire list.
You may have underrated Gilbert a bit. His numbers other than wins (no run support) compare pretty favorably to a couple of the guys ahead of him. But unlike them, he eats innings year after year.
Marc’s favorite team in the NL is still the IL. Tommy John wins the top slot every season there.
Dropping Gerrit Cole 14 spots is a biased Mets fans work. He is still top 10 no doubt. Having Gerrit Cole drop that much but putting DeGrom at 9 after throwing 3 starts this season and 6 the previous season is insane.
I know my Mariners suck in a lot of ways, BUT LET'S GOOOOOOOO. Was waiting for this video. All of our starting 5 can easily be top 30's at their best.
Seth Lugo 30th while finishing 2nd in cy young voting is crazy work
Bryan woo snubbed. Glasnow should be #1
I swear Bailey Ober has 1-2 horrendous starts each year! (9-10 ERs in 1-2 innings kind of starts.) outside of those he is definitely top 20!
Hunter Brown does too
@@cashprod.6849 very true, both guys who could make a massive leap in rankings
I can’t believe you did mention Sean menaea
It was so sad to see Shane Bieber get injured. He pitched 12 shutout innings with about 20 K's to start the season. With a hurt arm! The ceiling was so high if he was healthy. Hopfully, he will come back and dominate for us in 25 and 26.
curious where you would put Sasaki on this list
Big respect for showing Schwellenbach the love. I don't know where he came from as he just showed up out of nowhere last year but the guy is nasty. Like you mentioned 2 things he excelled in really should never be found in the same pitcher. Usually you either have a high chase rate or you have a low number of walks, you're not supposed to dominate at both it doesn't make sense. If all goes to plan the Braves will have 2 absolute studs named Spencer S. In there rotation for awhile.
Cole at 15 is disrespectful Marc, EASILY your WORST ranking ever
Crochet at 4 is insane. He hasn't proven he can provide length at all or be reliable over a full season. top 15 would be aggressive.
Track record isn't very telling when it comes to future performance. Crochet's handling by the White Sox was malpractice, as they basically didn't allow him to provide length because they spent the second half of the season protecting him as a trade asset. 4 is aggressive yes, but his combination of stuff and command from a lefty is ridiculous
Micheal king at 16 is devious, def top 10
Ummmm hi where is Tanner Houck? He was one of the best pitchers this season and you decided not to put him in the top? Or did you forget? Hey, honestly, Tanner has more potential and talent than Yoshinobu Yamamoto already And Pablo López Oh Justin Stelee. The truth is that you are or they are underestimating Tanner Houck a lot.
And you also decide to put pitchers that Tommy Young has or that have not pitched in the season
No tanner houck 😢
I’m sorry, he put Degrom and Strider in the top 10 and Ohtani isn’t ranked?
Ohtani is a solid pitcher but he isn’t the best pitcher his bat is his main tool
@@Chance_2018Ohtani is a top 10 pitcher in baseball when he pitches. Dumb take.
Bro didn't pitch a single inning 😂
He’s ranking pitchers. Ohtani was already ranked for DHs
React to last years 12 days after these 12 days? (Also TANNER HOUCK WHERE???)
I wonder where shohei is gonna land after 2025. Cy young incoming (completely bias dodger fan)
I almost said the same thing lol let’s go Shohei. Win the cy young to prove these stat nerds wrong.
@@Paulallen83 Stat nerds love Ohtani as a pitcher though
He's won everything but the Cy. I do believe he will prioritize pitching the next several seasons. He wants to win that last award and become the unanimous goat
If his noodle arm doesn’t explode on him again it could happen.
This is the best series in baseball content, thanks for all the work you put in
Skenes is actually hard to rank, I know he looks invincible now, but wait until the veteran hitters have seen him a few times. Not trying to say he won't still be great, but it's gonna be hard to maintain that Superman mystique. We'll see.
Doubt that will happen he’s the best pitcher in baseball
You can already seen that happened. Before/during the allstar break he was one of the best if not the best pitchers. A bit after he struggled a bit and came right back at the end of the year. I think he can easily dominate the league for years to come but he just has to keep changing it up, which he did. He went from using fastball mainly to having a changeup he relied on, something you can’t prepare for if he keeps changing it up. His stuff is filthy some of the nastiest stuff in the league, it’s just whether or not he can stay unpredictable and so far it seems like he has done a pretty good job at, just needs to keep it up.
He's got some of the nastiest stuff I've ever seen, there's no denying that. But there's also more to pitching than that. He's about as much of a sure shot as you can ever get, but there's no such thing as a sure shot.
I can agree with this not gonna say skenes can’t still be incredible next season but I gotta see how he does. I know Corbin carrell isn’t a pitcher but even he had an awful sophomore slump and everyone was saying he wasn’t going to, again not saying he will but let’s see if they people actually start to figure him out in his single season but no matter what he’s disgusting lol
@@King-03530 exactly, and someone like Skenes is as close to a slam dunk as possible, I'm old enough to remember Clayton Kershaw, and he was the same way, his stuff was just so electric there was no way he was ever gonna be bad. But it's not like he never had struggles. Major League hitters are animals, they'll figure out a way to hit anyone.
Good to see my dawg, Michael King getting some respect. He's easily one of the most underrated pitchers in Major League Baseball
2nd to last day and it’s the SP, quite a lot of rises and drops, but the
Biggest Rise: Dylan Cease, 30 to 13 (17 spots)
Biggest Drop: Logan Webb, 7 to 26 (19 spots)
That’s it!! ALMOST, see ya tomorrow for the top 50 players in MLB!!
Bryan woo and tanner houck being left off is wild. They are both well into top 30
I’d take Kershaw over DeGrom
(30 innings is better than 10)
3x more innings played
I miss when DeGoat was the best pitcher in baseball
So you're using Career stats for Pitchers who couldn't play because of injuries..... Where's Ohtani.
You should add their pitch mix in these videos🖤🤍
where would you rank Sasaki. Asking because you ranked Yamamoto last year.
He's gotta be top 10. By stuff, he's up there with Skenes, Strider, and Glasnow, the best in the game, and he's seen as having a higher ceiling than Yamamoto. Which is crazy, because the latter won the equivalent of the CY young in Japan 3 times and was extremely dominant in his abridged rookie season.
But he's unproven in MLB obviously, and the dude isn't very durable. He never topped 130 IP in any of his four seasons in Japan before crossing over, despite being in a league where the ball is smaller and you pitch once a week. And given his stuff, he's a TJ candidate within his first three years. 🤷♂️
For top pitchers, it’s easy to be a Cy Young winner but hard to be Zack Wheeler.
I woulda put Skenes 1 . Guy really looks like the best I’ve ever seen. Roki sasaki is gonna have something to say about that tho
If he was a Met he would’ve
@ lmaoo I know. He actually thought about Juan Soto over judge. Which is crazy. Sometimes I question the ball knowledge simply just because of his Mets bias
Love the list. Think you should have had Zach Gallen and Luis gil. What do you think about Sasaki
Also I understand that there a lot of good pitchers, so I don't fault you for leaving good pitchers out.
I could be slightly biased but as an astros fan, with the start of the year Hunter Brown had and the finish he had, he gotta be on here. There is no reason injuries pitchers who haven’t pitched in a year should be on here
Having Shota Imanaga but not luis gill is devious
And that's why Sean Manaea will get the NL triple crown and lead the Mets to the World Series!
Oh, Marc, Marc, Marc. You appear to have forgotten that Shohei Ohtani is also a pitcher. I know he didn't pitch last year, but that didn't stop you from putting other pitchers on the list who were injured last year. You also whiffed on the relief pitchers by leaving out Blake Treinen. Here's a hint for you: Treinen was used in higher leverage situations in the postseason than Kopech, who was on your list.
Vesia should've made it too.
Merry Christmas Marc!!
List is very good, but I do feel like leaving out Ohtani was a mistake. Yes he is coming off TJS, but the guy is elite when he pitches.
Gerrit out of the top 10 is literally insane when Glasnows career high innings like you said tallied 135💀 but he was apart of the team that beat the Yankees so he gets the nudge smh, also love to see Jake get the bias placement as well.
I know why people don’t like Reynaldo Lopez but that dude was electric last year. Deserves some love
Tanner Houck and Sonny Gray both deserve spots but as a tigers fan love skubal at 1
Let's Go. Love seeing Skubal at #1, please Tigers extend him. Other than that, love the videos that you do Marc.
Calling framber underrated and then putting him at 21 is insane he’s a borderline top 10 pitcher in baseball
Notable omissions for me are Gallen and Hunter Brown. I would want to find a way to slot them in myself.
My main gripe with this ranking is crochet at 4. The dude has stuff for days and had a great year but I still need to see a lot more from a dude who just pitched over 65 innings for the first time in his career, not his mlb career or even his professional career but in any recorded league. And while he had a good year, he wasn’t one of the best in the league and had an ERA approaching 5 in the second half. Way too aggressive with him
Cole at 15 is a joke Marc
Cole has one injury shortened season where he still pitched well above average and he drops 14 spots but glasnow who has never had a full season doesn’t move at all.
and that’s why former oakland A’s now NY Mets pitchers: sean manaea and paul blackburn will be a dynamic duo to help the mets win the 2025 world series
don't forget frankie
@ shoot you right, the 3 musketeers of former A’s pitchers
Insane that the Guardians who are typically a pitching factory had zero reliable starters most of the year and made it as Rae as they did. Speaks monumental volumes to how good the bullpen was, not even just Clase
I don't disagree with the Framer placement, however, it should be noted that even though he started Game 1 of the wild-card series, he was the Astros' second-best pitcher last year. After Hunter Brown added that sinker to his arsenal, he was even better than Valdez.
Yeah First month of the season was horrendous he was throwing like 94 mph on the 4 seamer, but after he came out of the pen for a game he got back up to 98
thanks for giving Hunter Greene some love Marc 😇 fantastic season that I feel like didn’t get enough national attention
Yamamoto has a lot of upside that hasn't been discovered yet 🤔 Scary!
“And this is why Paul Skenes will be a New York Met by the end of the year and win the Cy Young and World Series MVP”
Noo Reynaldo Lopez 😱😱
Sale at 6 is so insanely wild i want to rip my hair out becaus of this mets bias
Skenes really REALLY reminds me of the what was SUPPOSED TO BE, next great generational mlb pitcher: Matt Harvey. That dude came up to the Mets IMMEDIATELY after being drafted, and absolutly destroyed the opposition. He had a near 100mph fastball(when 100mph was rare as hell) and could strike out any batter he faced. BUT THEN. The usual thing with hard throwing pitchers happened, and he was never even close to that level again; Tom the Tommy John. But yeah, Skenes has the exact same vibes as Harvey. Lets see if he can not be as unlucky tho
Why is Seth Lugo so low had much better season than most of these guys
I’m surprised that Bowden Francis wasn’t mentioned at all he was an underrated pitcher in my opinion
Next year, please keep the team and player on the screen for the read.
Cole getting dropped to 15 is absolutely absurd. Was throwing the best innings of his life in the playoffs and his fastball was obviously worse because of injury
Can’t wait to see Brandon woodruff at #1 next year
Wonder where Kyle Bradish would have ranked if he was healthy. Dude has some electric stuff and a 2.81 ERA the last 2 seasons.
As an Orioles fan, I agree. Hope he can comeback at the end of this season and be how he was. He for sure has some of the best breaking stuff in the game
@@BillyBall35 losing him was a real gut punch last year. It's a shame we didn't get to see more of him and Burnes at the top of the rotation together. Could have been a special season.
Just random idea… what if next year for the pitchers you could still do the tier list, but maybe you could tear list every teams rotation?? 👀
No tanner houck?