The correct procedure would be to wipe off the tin paste with a clean cloth after heating. Then all impurities are gone and you have an even coating with good adhesion for the tin.
Correct. I was about to leave the same comment but thought I’d see if I could find it posted first. Even at the end of the video, you could see at the edges that the lead did not stick as a result of the tinning procedure not being wiped clean.
An adhesive would not be used to do what is done in this video. Adhesives go between body seams, or to adhere low/no structural parts. This is a metal body filler used to float over a weld to make it smooth.
J'ai fait cette technique dans les années 1970 j'avais a cette époque 18 ans j'aime beaucoup ce boulot de la carrosserie (tôlier)en redresser tout pas comme 2024 .❤
I see that there is no consensus on the process. There are many differing opinions. Some believe it is correct, while others do not. I agree that the lead in tin solder is bad for your health, but I see many cars that have been repaired this way, without any side effects on the paintwork for many years. Anyway, everyone does it their own way. What really matters is getting a good result with the least amount of damage to the health of the person doing it. Bodywork and painting is an unhealthy job, but for those who enjoy it, it is addictive. I, for example, am addicted!
I thought I'd forgotten that. Better if you keep the spreaders standing in jar of engine oil and i think the flux is poor, mind you the one we used is probably band. Good skill to have.be lucky. Robert
I am a dealership auto body technician for 9 years techniques like this are long gone im pretty confident welding will be phased out as well replaced with rivets and epoxy
@@relaxative2939it takes a skilled craftsman to weld sheet metal. Any idiot can rivet and epoxy. Skilled labor is lost on today's cars, that only last a decade or so before the landfill, instead of yesterdays cars that lasted 4-6 decades.
Gene Winfield. Master at this. Its a dying art. I prefer this over bondo any day. But ppl rather have bondo. Idk why. Plus these newer cars have such thin metal. A fender weighs as much as a headlight bucket on a old car.😂😂😂
Lead seams will eventually fail based on environment. People are correct in saying that traditional body filler wasn’t available back then. Modern products and procedures are far superior and do not create dissimilar metal issues.
@ Lead, zinc and even aluminum is up there on the sacrificial anode scale. It’s the other parts on the car that caused the problem. Stainless steel clips around the windshield, stainless steel moldings, are the biggest cause. The lead begins to sacrifice itself. If you look at an old car that has been in the weather with lead seams you will see they are all blistered. That is the lead sacrificing itself to protect the metal around it.
It really should be called leading, since it's more than 70 percent lead. Strange how it's still allowed, when so much else with lead content is phased out.
Use enough material to sodier the complete job,so you don't have to COME BACK and finish feathering the ends to apply your sub finish product, before a painting finish.
my advice, if you want to increase of polyrolling surface you should delete debt material during you have been heating the body. (don't use like cotton material, only paper).
I enjoy these videos even though the wording is wrong 10 is what you do when you use lead on wires this is considered lead filling and Lead filling has been done to cars since the beginning of car manufacturing to fill in the cracks where the roof line and the t-post meet but you know when the people aren't from the United States that make a lot of these videos some of the wording is wrong keep up the good videos maybe work on your background on your explanation with your words
The lead changes paint somehow and after a while you can see where lead was used in spite of primers. So research the primers that are best at isolating the lead on your show car.
@ Cite source??? Ahh… my eyes… the comment was in a basic reference to the fact he didn’t fill with putty and plastic. I realize that yes, there is still gonna be putty used to help fully smooth on the project but… if he’s using this approach it most likely would be minimal putty and stuff. As far as “actual bodyman” showing experience and care for quality of workmanship. That’s it, opinion… no research sources… just opinion.
Технология интересная, но зачем? Если это же сделать автомобильной шпаклёвкой, то эффект будет тот же, и никакой коррозии там не появится, а вот мастер сэкономит себе много сил и времени.
@ Give the engine oil a chance and try this. So put the wood in the oil overnight, take it out the next day and wipe it off. Then work with it as normal. Whether you continue to use tallow or oil afterwards is up to you
Скорее это защита шва от коррозии и уменьшение слоя полиэфирной шпатлёвки. А от толщиномера это не защитит. Все нормальные толщиномеры отличают железо от цветмета. А крутые ещё и видят металлизированную шпатлёвки. Ну и вообще, распилом считаются машину, где пилилась силовая часть. Замена крыла распилом не считается. И если внутренние силовые элементы заменены заводскими деталями по заводским швам - это тоже не распил.
@@nightshadow5328Еще ни разу на техосмотре не видел инспектора который бегает с толщиномером😂. Или который разбирает салон на предмет незаводских сварных швов. Вин, номерные агрегаты, стенд, внешние световые приборы, наличие стопорных шайб и шплинтов на рулевом механизме внешний осмотр на предмет сквозной коррозии и целостности стёкол и диагностическая карта у тебя в руках.
Der Holzklotz sollte in Öl getränkt sein dann bapt es nicht fest,es bleibt nichts hängen und man bekommt das Finish schöner hin und die Nachbehandlung wird einfacher
I learnt this as an apprentice we used a wedge shape block and tallow to shape the lead worked so well. Not very good for you but either is filler especially in the 90s when we weren't supplied dust masks, glad I don't do this trade anymore, 20 years taught me alot but never earnt great money.
Ещё на москвичах и победах исправляли проблемные места на выштамповках кузова кашей) только не нужно искать вражеский вюртх😂 этой дряни можно намешать самому по самым разным рецептам да и соляную кислоту цинком потравить раз плюнуть😊
Не бита не крашина. И толщина краски как с завода. Толщиномер не покажет. Мы. Меняли переднее крыло на жиге так. Завод. Не смог определить что крыло меняно
I still enjoy workers like ya'll. No shortcuts. Just straight talent. Its a dying art.
Back when car did not have plastic filler and we all had our share of lead daily. Love 50s & 60s.
Yes true.
But as if plastic and Bondo dust and fumes aren't harmful aswell.
All of them are poison and toxic
Still had plastic filler lol just not for the roof as they had a tendency to leak
Nós somos artista 😂
That's why they called them lead sleds.
Всё это делается не свинцом а оловом олово
The correct procedure would be to wipe off the tin paste with a clean cloth after heating. Then all impurities are gone and you have an even coating with good adhesion for the tin.
Correct. I was about to leave the same comment but thought I’d see if I could find it posted first. Even at the end of the video, you could see at the edges that the lead did not stick as a result of the tinning procedure not being wiped clean.
I learned this way in the Army as a metalworker. Also plastic filler, radiator repair, glass repair, welding methods...
❤At least one more way to know how to do it.
This guy learned from TH-cam.
Now other TH-cam educated people will pass that on.
I thought the chunky blobs of metal stick were a rookie move also.
Excelente trabajo, así es como se hacen las cosas!!!, Gracias por compartir y enseñar a la generaciones siguientes
Good job. Thanks for sharing. I have wondered about how that was accomplished for a long time.
Adhesives have mostly replaced this on modern stuff. Old masters command high fees for this ancient art still needed 4 restoration
it’s still alive and well i should know as part of the young generation restoring my own car. 👍🏻
This is way better than the polyester filler... because there's never ever trapped moisture in between the steel sheet and lead filler...
Seam sealant is great.
@@NcikTrunbull-v1q How did you learn metal body repair?
An adhesive would not be used to do what is done in this video. Adhesives go between body seams, or to adhere low/no structural parts. This is a metal body filler used to float over a weld to make it smooth.
That's some old school skills right there 🔧👍
Это сборка Лего, в таком тазике нет защиты от аварий!
Это чтобы потом продать как небитую , не крашенную и не половиненную 😂
Lead smilting lost art
Lead sled
Cín
@@johngaulding3710Sn
Not lead but tin
@@steve6446 70 % led 30% tin
J'ai fait cette technique dans les années 1970 j'avais a cette époque 18 ans j'aime beaucoup ce boulot de la carrosserie (tôlier)en redresser tout pas comme 2024 .❤
Eso ya nadie lo hace, cuando yo trabajaba la chapistería de carros en Cuba lo hacía mucho, muy bonito recuerdo me trae haber visto el vídeo gracias ❤😊
Ich mach das immer noch so !
@@thomsfishing3260Куба впереди Германии! 😅
@@asket1 was hat das Land damit zutun? 🤦🏼♂️
@@thomsfishing3260я тоже так делаю! Привет из России!
Pronto de nuevo lo hará tu hijo o tu nieto
I see that there is no consensus on the process. There are many differing opinions. Some believe it is correct, while others do not. I agree that the lead in tin solder is bad for your health, but I see many cars that have been repaired this way, without any side effects on the paintwork for many years. Anyway, everyone does it their own way. What really matters is getting a good result with the least amount of damage to the health of the person doing it. Bodywork and painting is an unhealthy job, but for those who enjoy it, it is addictive. I, for example, am addicted!
Mostly tin no lead now
@@royhorwood2663 олово трескается.
в автомобильном припое 80% свинца.
в электронике припой без свинца так же трескается. и чипы отваливаются.
Proper PPE and prepping the area will protect you from lead exposure.
👍
You don't come across too many body men in their 70s. ☠️
I thought I'd forgotten that. Better if you keep the spreaders standing in jar of engine oil and i think the flux is poor, mind you the one we used is probably band. Good skill to have.be lucky. Robert
Das kann kaum noch jemand.....gute Arbeit 😅😅😅
I attempted it last year not as easy as it looks
Verzinnen hab ich auch noch gelernt.Das macht heute keine Werkstatt mehr.👍🏻
... natürlich macht man das noch...der hat s aber völlich falsch gemacht....
Ottimo lavoro, solo che al mondo d'oggi poche persone fanno questi tipi di lavori.
What an art, i remember my great grandfather telling me stories of auto body like this, he did auto body from the 30's to the 80's
It's really great that over time it won't flake off like putty.
I am a dealership auto body technician for 9 years techniques like this are long gone im pretty confident welding will be phased out as well replaced with rivets and epoxy
То есть ты предлагаешь от современной сварки вернуться к архаичным заклёпкам, я правильно понимаю? 😂
I am an engineer.
no.
Do you understand the history of welding and how it replaced rivets across a lot of industries?
Какой бред ты несешь😂😂😂
@@relaxative2939it takes a skilled craftsman to weld sheet metal.
Any idiot can rivet and epoxy.
Skilled labor is lost on today's cars, that only last a decade or so before the landfill, instead of yesterdays cars that lasted 4-6 decades.
I love Wurth products. Especially their 2010 penetrating oil that turns into a thick grease.
Zur Zinnmodellur nimmst man am besten buchenholz getrànkt in etwá Silikon damit nichts klebt am Holz beim modellieen ....gutes Ergebnis fachgerecht
Gene Winfield. Master at this. Its a dying art. I prefer this over bondo any day. But ppl rather have bondo. Idk why. Plus these newer cars have such thin metal. A fender weighs as much as a headlight bucket on a old car.😂😂😂
Наносится тонкий слой и после прогрева излишек удаляется тканью, и когда состав почернел это значит что идет перегрев.
добрии ден.
што ета слое? как ево зват? где продаиотся?
спасибо
@siniboisiniboi9016 паста для пайки - лужения Wurth 098290
@Krenk1JZ
спасибо 🤝
Стоит как крыло от самолёта)))
@@уасяуасин-к3ф есть другие пасты , но все в принципе не дешевые. Там же состав сплошное олово и у вюрта банка 1кг, а хватит ее на много лет)
My father still had the tools for this type of work and plumbing when I was a kid in the 60’s.
Lead seams will eventually fail based on environment. People are correct in saying that traditional body filler wasn’t available back then. Modern products and procedures are far superior and do not create dissimilar metal issues.
What’s the galvanic reaction like between steel and lead? I’m not aware of seeing these joints fail ever. Just curious, not saying I’m sure.
@ Lead, zinc and even aluminum is up there on the sacrificial anode scale.
It’s the other parts on the car that caused the problem. Stainless steel clips around the windshield, stainless steel moldings, are the biggest cause. The lead begins to sacrifice itself. If you look at an old car that has been in the weather with lead seams you will see they are all blistered. That is the lead sacrificing itself to protect the metal around it.
It really should be called leading, since it's more than 70 percent lead.
Strange how it's still allowed, when so much else with lead content is phased out.
It's because lead isn't harmful to you unless you actually ingest it some type of way, Its not mercury ..
Lights the torch next to the fuel door I love it 😂
este método lo usaba
mi maestro hace 30 años...un artesano de verdad
Impresionante. Está quedando soñado ese auto 💪😎
Use enough material to sodier the complete job,so you don't have to COME BACK and finish feathering the ends to apply your sub finish product, before a painting finish.
I was holding my breath the whole time but it actually very nice 👍😎
Раньше и я так делал. С автомобильную шпаклёвку были купить сложно и дорого. А самое главное под оловом не гнил металл!
Surely you should have ground off the weld first then tinned it, or your grinding off most of the timing
Will you still finish up with a polyester filler or do it all in primer?
Внутри таких полостей, должны быть сварены соеденители , усилители.Закладные пластины проще говоря
This is the way a serious car builder does it
Охеренный результат. Реально спец мастер качественный ремонт с применением паст для лужения. Из нутри воском задуть после окраски и ходить долго будет
А что в этой пасте ,порошок металла?
А то что этот олень не правильно пастой работает тебя не смущает?
А то что там даже на камере видны борозды от наждачки нормально?
Мы в 80 года крылья Жигули припаивали н🎉а латунь 😊😊😊
Потом ещё в шпаклёвку металлической стружки добавить, что бы толщинометром пробивалось как косметический окрас
Assorted irons will help you get a smoother finish with less filing.
I can do the same finish with a mig.Lead is awesome when needed.❤
О, тоже дверь багажника сам лудил. Мастера отказались заваривать дыру. Ещё скребком проще ровнять
У меня только 1 вопрос, а внутреннюю полость. Часть стойки. Обработали антикоррозийным составом.
Ese si es trabajo de primera aquí en México se le llamaba estaño hoy en día casi se esto guió esas reparaciones 🤗🍀👍👍
On voyait ça que dans les années 50 bravo respect
Just for esthetic purpose or does it hokd strength too?
A body shop I would take my cutlass to 👏🏾
I done this to the g6 panoramic room on my caprice.. so time consuming,but so worth it
О, тоже научились правильно ремоетироваться🤣. Молодцы👍.
😂😂😂 американцы давно так ремонтируют , это для нас в новинку 😂
@@КрымскийБриз-щ1звот американцам нах и невсралась так возится.
@@КрымскийБриз-щ1з насмешил, в СССР технология пайки кузова оловом из 30-50 годов прошлого века!
@@ЕвгенийАлёхин-л2м удивительно , но технологию никто не применяет с тех времен , почему же так ?😂
Шпаклёвка дешевле
How do you keep the metal from rusting while doing work? Lets say the work gonna take a month ?
Не бит, не крашен, один хозяин, дедушка на рынок по выходным ездил
Я той технологией пользовался 15 лет назад , моя машина лужоная тогда эта банка втьюрт споила 5000р сколько сейчас? Бакс был 32р.
😮
Шикарный вид👍🏻👍🏻😊
Not to many guys left that can work lead 👍
Что бы меньше потом шлифовать советую при нагреве убирать излишки бумагой ( ткань прилипает)
my advice, if you want to increase of polyrolling surface you should delete debt material during you have been heating the body. (don't use like cotton material, only paper).
A lead sled! Havnt seen anyone fill a seam or dress a weld with lead for a long time.
Олово
Excelente trabajo perfecto de 💯👍
Не бит,не крашен,с трёх машин не собран.Жалко человека,который купит этот конструктор.😢
I enjoy these videos even though the wording is wrong 10 is what you do when you use lead on wires this is considered lead filling and Lead filling has been done to cars since the beginning of car manufacturing to fill in the cracks where the roof line and the t-post meet but you know when the people aren't from the United States that make a lot of these videos some of the wording is wrong keep up the good videos maybe work on your background on your explanation with your words
The lead changes paint somehow and after a while you can see where lead was used in spite of primers. So research the primers that are best at isolating the lead on your show car.
What are those products? Please show a list of names.
Технология четвертной вварки с использованием флюса Вирт и припоя
Well ya get a piece of 1/8 inch aluminum and hold it at the bottom and melt the lead on to the aluminum and paste it on the heated metal as you go up
Never ín my life saw tinning after welding 😮
Sure is an old school method but still
Holy shit!!! An actual body man!!!
Define "actual bodyman" and cite source
@
Cite source??? Ahh… my eyes… the comment was in a basic reference to the fact he didn’t fill with putty and plastic.
I realize that yes, there is still gonna be putty used to help fully smooth on the project but… if he’s using this approach it most likely would be minimal putty and stuff. As far as “actual bodyman” showing experience and care for quality of workmanship. That’s it, opinion… no research sources… just opinion.
A rare breed today!
I know leads not as bad as its made out, but sanding seems crazy.
Never heat tinning paste with direct flame,heatetal beside it and let it " sweat" by convection of heat,then use clean,dry cotton rag to wipe it 🥸🥸🥸
Wait till Belzona hears about this!
Can you let me know what products you are using there
That's an awesome technique
Технология интересная, но зачем? Если это же сделать автомобильной шпаклёвкой, то эффект будет тот же, и никакой коррозии там не появится, а вот мастер сэкономит себе много сил и времени.
Это делается для того чтобы толщенометром не "нащюпать " шов и не когда не узнает клиент что крыша была заменена. Как-то так .
@sergeilukyanov85 главное чтоб толщиномер был не магнитным.
Олово себя проявит,не сразу но выйдет наружу,октсляется.@@sergeilukyanov85
@@Бориснет в СССР машины были полностью лужоные и не куда оно не вылезло .
Pero por dios, que reparacion es esa?
en antiguo se hacieba asì
Технологія при дефіциті кузовних деталей і бажанні зекономити на ремонті за рахунок якості. Але це теж не доведено)
I thought you can use a grinder or da to smooth out lead. Or is this body solder like Eastwood sells
Металл соединило хорошо. Качественный чел сделал.
Не бита, не крашена - один хозяин...
Frikin cool dude keep it old school
Custom cars with a lot of elaborate body work were call Lead Sleds.
A little tip: soak the wooden spatula in engine oil. This makes it much easier to process the tin and nothing sticks to the wood
I was taught using Tallow, 40 yrs ago
@ Give the engine oil a chance and try this. So put the wood in the oil overnight, take it out the next day and wipe it off. Then work with it as normal. Whether you continue to use tallow or oil afterwards is up to you
Antigamente as coisas eram muito mais robustas, só tenho minhas dúvidas de que a proibição dessas técnicas foi realmente por ameaçar a saúde humana.
Wo ist das verboten ? Ich mach das immer noch so !
Que pasta é essa?
Blei ist giftig! Es ist nicht nur Zinn
adding material just to take it off is how it be, i do the same with bondo
Это называется чтоб по микрометру не пробило, что это распил
Олово толщиномер показывает без проблем, не пишите чушь.
Скорее это защита шва от коррозии и уменьшение слоя полиэфирной шпатлёвки.
А от толщиномера это не защитит. Все нормальные толщиномеры отличают железо от цветмета. А крутые ещё и видят металлизированную шпатлёвки.
Ну и вообще, распилом считаются машину, где пилилась силовая часть. Замена крыла распилом не считается. И если внутренние силовые элементы заменены заводскими деталями по заводским швам - это тоже не распил.
@@anatolyshestakov764 только нашим ТОшникам это не докажешь и ментам.
@@nightshadow5328Еще ни разу на техосмотре не видел инспектора который бегает с толщиномером😂. Или который разбирает салон на предмет незаводских сварных швов.
Вин, номерные агрегаты, стенд, внешние световые приборы, наличие стопорных шайб и шплинтов на рулевом механизме внешний осмотр на предмет сквозной коррозии и целостности стёкол и диагностическая карта у тебя в руках.
@@nightshadow5328если б так , то распиленых авто не было 😂
Der Holzklotz sollte in Öl getränkt sein dann bapt es nicht fest,es bleibt nichts hängen und man bekommt das Finish schöner hin und die Nachbehandlung wird einfacher
Back like thirty five years ago we use to use a spray acid tenting for prep for led wiping and torch it before you would add the led
Anyone that works with tin/lead is OG in bodywork
Burnt the flux in the solder paste. Wipe it off while molten before adding tin
Был распил стал автомобиль. Не битый не крашенный
Nice leading job. That was a common practice back in the day.
I learnt this as an apprentice we used a wedge shape block and tallow to shape the lead worked so well. Not very good for you but either is filler especially in the 90s when we weren't supplied dust masks, glad I don't do this trade anymore, 20 years taught me alot but never earnt great money.
Wurth great product but very expensive trust me I worked for them
I haven’t seen someone using lead to do repairs in 30 yrs
отлично мало того что сварной шов попустил или наоборот закалил металл так они еще и горелкой попускают. а если вдруг авария ии пару кувырков.
Think you may need some lessons in lead work.
Get a life. You don't know shit.
А просто шлифмашинкой с разной зернистостью нельзя или болгаркой отрезной или шлефовальный круг ?
Tinning looks much better than those putty....
Sadly most body shop prefers using putty than doing proper tinning....
А внутри шов тоже луженый?))) или пусть ржавеет, главное что снаружи дорого?)))
Кузов обычно по низу ржавеет, в этой части не должен, там обрабатывается пушсалом или аналогичным средством
Ещё на москвичах и победах исправляли проблемные места на выштамповках кузова кашей) только не нужно искать вражеский вюртх😂 этой дряни можно намешать самому по самым разным рецептам да и соляную кислоту цинком потравить раз плюнуть😊
Так делали старые мастера СССР !победа волга 21 и москвич !
Very bad job. This man doesn't know what he's doing😢
Nachdem auftragen der Lötzinpaste, und dem erhitzten, muss der Rest mit einem Tuch abgewischt werden.
@Akabutch66 and the reason is that paste is acidic and if not removed it will be rotting there very fast.😊
Le rasate di stagno si vedono sempre controluce, anche dopo la verniciatura.
Formation mastic 😂
He does know what he is doing it lead and the end result was perfect
This is the only right way to do it!!!
Не бита не крашина. И толщина краски как с завода. Толщиномер не покажет. Мы. Меняли переднее крыло на жиге так. Завод. Не смог определить что крыло меняно
Зачем такие сложности? Жевательной резинкой замазать проще.
lead soldering is almost a lost art