Wow that controller looks so damn good! I have been looking for a really good Midi Controller for a while. Will definitely being buying this when I can afford it haha
Great video Jef. I'm wondering if this CC Controller will interfere with on board mod wheels on a digital piano/keyboard? I would love to purchase this, but I would somehow need to disable the two mod wheels on my MIDI piano. Thanks for your insight.
Im only interested in this cause I can't seem to hear the velocity difference on the sustained patches. No matter how quiet I press the keys it sounds so loud. So buying this would help my workflow when writing Cinematic Hip-hop.
Hi Jef, all of my CC assignments within FVDE (CC1, CC7, CC11, CC21) are writing as CC1 within my DAW. How to fix that? I'm in Nuendo 13. It's got me going nuts here trying to solve this issue.
No kidding it's not super cheap 😛. Not that I tried, but I think you can midi learn a Maschine Jam to do the same thing. To me it seems this product is more aimed to people who are into (serious) orchestral music making. Many of them don't mind paying 500$ for an extra violin library, so they won't mind paying for this device. Anyway, thanks for the demo!
Jam owner-the Jam doesn't even come close to working with real faders for expression automation. Extremely short-throw, too great a jump between CC values for this kind of automation. It's the difference between a toy and a tool. Jam prices are also going up, it's not a currently sold nor warrantied product. It's the antithesis of a serious tool to build a professional workflow around in 2022. What happens if it breaks? You're buggered without a drop-in replacement for their proprietary touch strips and other gubbins. Problem with the FVDE? Stick a new off-the-shelf fader in.
I don't really understand the comment that many TH-camrs say, like "this or that company sent me this or that item but they didn't pay me to do this video". The hardware you got is a form of payment! Isn't it? 🙃
@@chrisstaubyn Why though? It's meant for expression input. For mixing, there's plenty of nice controllers on the market from SSL to Avid to perhaps, at a push, Softube, if you can live with being limited in terms of plugins, which otherwise have a poor software UX without the controller, so annoying to use on a laptop when away from the studio if you need to open up any project files.
@@HammyHavoc I'm afraid I have to disagree with your stance. Motors do not affect expression. Motorized faders are the solution to faders that do not accurately reflect their controlled value.
@@chrisstaubyn The resistance of motorized versus non-motorized fader components is different, i.e. non-linear versus logarithmic, which is why on lesser controllers you end up with dead zones either end of the fader, or can't get each and every CC value. The resistance taper is usually meant for mixing, and not MIDI expression. Motorized faders *always* have more resistance and will feel wholly different to use-that is a fact. Different strokes for different folks. If you find that motorized is appropriate for your needs, go nuts, meanwhile this product serves a niche need very well. The JL Cooper Fader Master Pro isn't motorized either, and that's an excellent product for its type too. Not meant for mixing. The FVDE is cheaper than the Fader Master, and takes up much less space, and gives you as many faders as you have fingers to operate whilst playing keys.
I would say with komplete kontrol and maschine and other ni products you can essentially use all the knobs to automate this up for numbers correct? And save yourself $380
Once you've done this kind of automation with faders, you'll laugh at the idea of what you've suggested-it's more performance than programming. It's a whole other perspective on what automation can be. Unless you can turn multiple knobs whilst playing keys, no, only long-throw faders are going to work for you. Efficiency and muscle memory is equally valuable. $380 is cheap if this is what you do-especially for this level of build quality, and this level of resolution. Sure, there's cheaper options on the market, but you get fader dead zones at the top and bottom, inconsistent feel and response between faders, and frequently the resistance is completely inappropriate for expression automation.
@@HammyHavoc I'm a hobbyist and don't do orchestral templates or scoring for a living okay. For me this is not worth it but teach their own you would have to make money off of your compositions for this to even be in question. I didn't know us obvious we're not allowed to comment on this page..
@@HammyHavoc audio imperia are nks compatible and work well with any native instruments I can do orchestral stuff with any of those libraries who are you to say I am at the target audience have fun with your $380 MIDI controller let me hear some of your compositions and work then you can talk and be so critical of others and say they are not at Target market as if you are so special
so that midi controller is 4 faders in a fire hazard box that was made by cutting down trees ? :) I don't get it ... ever heard of stuff like Touch OSC ? I drew a multi tabbed midi controller on my iPad, it has like 300 midi faders/xys/radials. the thing costs like 20$, but no trees were hurt in the process of making it :)
@@traveler263 moot point, Touch OSC, Lemur, whatever still requires devices to work which are made from plastics. Also, wood being used in today's manufacturing is sustainable and captures carbon from the air and keeps it out of the atmosphere for its life, so using it is actually not as bad as using plastics
Muscle memory with touch screens is very poor by comparison. That's something that plenty of folks who churn gear are missing out on-developing muscle memory and flying along.
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Thanks! Your doing awesome videos! I can tell you are a very good composer and artist.
Thanks so much PSAC! I really appreciate the tip!
Wow that controller looks so damn good! I have been looking for a really good Midi Controller for a while. Will definitely being buying this when I can afford it haha
Wondering how this compares to Musiotech Fader Premium.
Great video Jef. I'm wondering if this CC Controller will interfere with on board mod wheels on a digital piano/keyboard? I would love to purchase this, but I would somehow need to disable the two mod wheels on my MIDI piano. Thanks for your insight.
Im only interested in this cause I can't seem to hear the velocity difference on the sustained patches. No matter how quiet I press the keys it sounds so loud. So buying this would help my workflow when writing Cinematic Hip-hop.
what's size TV?looks cools
Hi Jef, all of my CC assignments within FVDE (CC1, CC7, CC11, CC21) are writing as CC1 within my DAW. How to fix that? I'm in Nuendo 13. It's got me going nuts here trying to solve this issue.
lol - the torches and pitchforks are out today! 🤪
Yessir!! Been a while… keeps me humble.
Beautiful
Worked , thanks a lot!
No kidding it's not super cheap 😛. Not that I tried, but I think you can midi learn a Maschine Jam to do the same thing. To me it seems this product is more aimed to people who are into (serious) orchestral music making. Many of them don't mind paying 500$ for an extra violin library, so they won't mind paying for this device. Anyway, thanks for the demo!
That's just it Ed! Plus, it must cost a ton to make devices like this that aren't mass produced...
Jam owner-the Jam doesn't even come close to working with real faders for expression automation. Extremely short-throw, too great a jump between CC values for this kind of automation. It's the difference between a toy and a tool. Jam prices are also going up, it's not a currently sold nor warrantied product. It's the antithesis of a serious tool to build a professional workflow around in 2022. What happens if it breaks? You're buggered without a drop-in replacement for their proprietary touch strips and other gubbins. Problem with the FVDE? Stick a new off-the-shelf fader in.
Jeff, where did you put your Ableton Push 2? Looks like it lost its premier position to the Mini Freak! :)
It'll be back! Don't worry ;)
The anti-wood hate is…peculiar.
I don't really understand the comment that many TH-camrs say, like "this or that company sent me this or that item but they didn't pay me to do this video". The hardware you got is a form of payment! Isn't it? 🙃
Ummm Yeah. That's why it says Paid Promotion at the beginning, unlike a lot of other channels!
Shame they aren't motorized. I was almost sold on it.
It would add a whole other level wouldn't it!
@@jefgibbons hopefully they do am upgraded version in the future.
@@chrisstaubyn Why though? It's meant for expression input. For mixing, there's plenty of nice controllers on the market from SSL to Avid to perhaps, at a push, Softube, if you can live with being limited in terms of plugins, which otherwise have a poor software UX without the controller, so annoying to use on a laptop when away from the studio if you need to open up any project files.
@@HammyHavoc I'm afraid I have to disagree with your stance. Motors do not affect expression. Motorized faders are the solution to faders that do not accurately reflect their controlled value.
@@chrisstaubyn The resistance of motorized versus non-motorized fader components is different, i.e. non-linear versus logarithmic, which is why on lesser controllers you end up with dead zones either end of the fader, or can't get each and every CC value. The resistance taper is usually meant for mixing, and not MIDI expression.
Motorized faders *always* have more resistance and will feel wholly different to use-that is a fact. Different strokes for different folks. If you find that motorized is appropriate for your needs, go nuts, meanwhile this product serves a niche need very well.
The JL Cooper Fader Master Pro isn't motorized either, and that's an excellent product for its type too. Not meant for mixing. The FVDE is cheaper than the Fader Master, and takes up much less space, and gives you as many faders as you have fingers to operate whilst playing keys.
I would say with komplete kontrol and maschine and other ni products you can essentially use all the knobs to automate this up for numbers correct? And save yourself $380
Once you've done this kind of automation with faders, you'll laugh at the idea of what you've suggested-it's more performance than programming. It's a whole other perspective on what automation can be. Unless you can turn multiple knobs whilst playing keys, no, only long-throw faders are going to work for you. Efficiency and muscle memory is equally valuable. $380 is cheap if this is what you do-especially for this level of build quality, and this level of resolution. Sure, there's cheaper options on the market, but you get fader dead zones at the top and bottom, inconsistent feel and response between faders, and frequently the resistance is completely inappropriate for expression automation.
@@HammyHavoc I'm a hobbyist and don't do orchestral templates or scoring for a living okay. For me this is not worth it but teach their own you would have to make money off of your compositions for this to even be in question. I didn't know us obvious we're not allowed to comment on this page..
@@wesleyforman8391 You're not the target market. Look at what software the company makes, stuff for composers. It's a niche tool.
@@HammyHavoc audio imperia are nks compatible and work well with any native instruments I can do orchestral stuff with any of those libraries who are you to say I am at the target audience have fun with your $380 MIDI controller let me hear some of your compositions and work then you can talk and be so critical of others and say they are not at Target market as if you are so special
@@wesleyforman8391 I wasn't rude to you whatsoever. You made it abundantly clear you aren't the target market. Total attitude problem.
so that midi controller is 4 faders in a fire hazard box that was made by cutting down trees ? :) I don't get it ... ever heard of stuff like Touch OSC ? I drew a multi tabbed midi controller on my iPad, it has like 300 midi faders/xys/radials. the thing costs like 20$, but no trees were hurt in the process of making it :)
You do realize the plastics in the Touch OSC and other controllers are made from fossil fuels right?
@@channeloram you do realize that TouchOSC is a virtual touch screen software with no hardware component, right ? 😅
@@traveler263 moot point, Touch OSC, Lemur, whatever still requires devices to work which are made from plastics. Also, wood being used in today's manufacturing is sustainable and captures carbon from the air and keeps it out of the atmosphere for its life, so using it is actually not as bad as using plastics
@@koreanfriedchildren but it has plastics as well :) anyways ... if you love the product then go pay the price of a full DAW for 4 faders
Muscle memory with touch screens is very poor by comparison. That's something that plenty of folks who churn gear are missing out on-developing muscle memory and flying along.