Did you know because Eugene Lourie’s daughter cried over the Rhedosaurus dying, he promised her to make a monster movie where the monster will live at the end? That movie was Gorgo.
Yup the rhedosaurus clearly not evil. He just stressed and confused normal animal. In original short story he even more tragic as he approaching the sound from foghorn ,because the sound resemble mating call from his fellow species, a call that he would never heard anymore
I saw "The Beast" on TV when I was about 8 years old. I don't think I cried, but I felt sorry for that magnificent animal. That last agonized cry really tore at my heart, still does. Lourié made the same monster movie three times. "Gorgo" was the biggest departure from the basic plot (almost a remake of "King Kong") However, in 1959 he directed "The Giant Behemoth", which was virtually a direct remake of "The Beast", except the city attacked is London rather than New York. The monster is a sort of carnivorous Brachiosaurus rather than a super-giant Pseudoisuchian and armed with an electric defense like an electric eel that projects gamma rays that burn flesh into cinders (shades of Godzilla!). The Behemoth also pulls the same stunts as the 1953 beast -- he crushes cars flat with his feet and he throws cars about with his jaws. The humans finally destroy the monster with a radio-isotope carried by a torpedo rather than a rifle grenade.
Something to mention about Harryhausen’s hatred of Godzilla could be more than just jealousy or feelings of plagiarism. Some have theorized his distaste comes from the production of King Kong vs Godzilla, with John Beck taking Willis O’Brien’s King Kong vs Frankenstein script and selling it to Toho behind O’Brien’s back. Harryhausen was inspired by O’Brien’s work on The Lost World and King Kong, as well as becoming his protege and close friend starting with Mighty Joe Young. One of Harryhausen’s movies, Valley of Gwangi, was inspired by an early version O’Brien wrote in 1941 but got scrapped. So it could be a bit of envy, but also feeling that a close friend was fucked over. O’Brien died before the movie made it to the states so might sting harder.
This is very true. I can imagine he was maybe off put at first, but the events regarding King Kong Vs Godzilla likely cemented his personal thoughts on the franchise
from what iv read,it was because allegedly he didn't like the fact it was a guy in a suit running around a awkwardly in a miniature city...and looked out of place compared to his stop motion movies...at least thats how i decipher what i read about his brief mention of it...
Harryhausen feeling "jealous" of Godzilla is a common myth. Harryhausen didn't mind suits, when it was done well, he had gone on record saying he liked the Creature from the Black Lagoon's suit. The real reason for his bitterness was the fact his mentor and good friend Willis O'Brien had been pitching his movie "King Kong vs Frankenstien" which famously got nowhere, and the script for that being sold to "a Japanese studio" which can be assumed to be Toho, which then became King Kong vs Godzilla, tragically O'Brien died not long after its release.
That’s interesting because I remember an interview Harryhausen did in I think the mid 2000s were he called Godzilla a “filch” of his own work on the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms. The O’Brien getting screwed over part is definitely the main factor regardless though
I read about him liking certain suits too, given they were done well. I typically mention suitmation when describing Godzilla effects, since that's the word that's pretty much synonymized with that franchise and what he was most critical towards
I interviewed Harryhausen back in 2012, shortly before he passed away. I assure you that he HATED Godzilla. He thought that Warner should have sued back in the 1950s and he never understood why such low quality movies made so much money.
@@codexmachina1358 It was published on a spanish cinema magazine, more than ten years ago. I published a transcript on my site, but the youtube filter won't allow me to put a link in here.
Teachers: 'Plagiarism is bad!' Film Makers: 'I prefer the word inspiration!' Jokes aside it is always neat to see how things go around, and unknowing help create of the biggest pop culture phenomenons also not to plug in anothers video, if thats not allowed you can remove my comment, but the channel Curious Archive has a really neat video about Sympathy for the Monster where he detailed the changing perception of monsters in media. And of course both king kong and godzilla are a big part of that going from antagonistic monsters to giant super heroes. He had a really cool quote from the godzilla director Ishiro Honda: "Monsters are tragic beings, They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy, they are not evil by choice, that is their tragedy"
One important thing that not many people talk about Godzilla is how it was influenced by the American occupation of Japan. After WW2 when America was in control of Japan, they basically reorganized the Japanese government and culture to rid it of its imperialistic ambitions. One measure was censorship over entertainment. There were very strict rules that banned anything that could be perceived as nationalistic or militaristic. Not very nice, but it was effective in changing Japanese culture to be more peaceful. Though Godzilla was released a couple years after the end of the American occupation, there was still a either laws against showing the Japanese military as victorious or it has become a cultural taboo. That's why the military constantly fail in Godzilla and the heroes are a scientist and a working-class man. That continues to this day where the military are never really effective in Godzilla movies.
I honestly like this approach since it ads much more to the horror aspect since you can't just solve the problem by simply throwing more *BOOM!* at it, (right Roland Emmerich!?😠) and forcing heroes to think outside the box.
My favorites together again. After watching this consider; Godzilla v Dino Diego: Paleo S.o.S Godzilla v Dino Diego: Demonitized empire and Godzilla's revenge.( Dino Diego is in it, but it's just stock footage from the orignal Dino Diego films.)
1933 - *King Kong* Willis O’Brien 1945 - A-bomb 1951 - *Beast from 20,000 Fathoms* novel by Ray Bradbury 1953 - *Beast from 20,000 Fathoms* monster effects by Ray Harryhausen 1954 - Castle Bravo Later 1954 - *Gojira* Ironically, so much of gojira’s inspiration can be argued to be so inspired via western/American products.
@@cesarzpontu8886 Kaiju is Japanese for 'strange creature' and has come to describe any huge, monstrous beast or occasionally a robot' The Beast From 20k definitely fits that bill.
im of the few that didn't mind it back then, it was one of the only movies i saw in the cinema, the story sucked,but the action scenes in the city were good,since it was the first time a saw a giant monster tear up a city in a large screen...
Someone else may have mentioned these by now but there's two more Japanese takes on THE FOG HORN worth noting. In 2007, there was a black-and-white short film with a plesiosaur in place of an aquatic dinosaur but, outside that and the Japanese relocation, it appears to be pretty faithful to Bradburry's original. Unfortunately, said short seems be have been lost forever after the hard drives carrying it were reportedly destroyed, though a trailer for the 2007 film survives online. Apparently, the same people behind said lost short also worked on 2019's "Howl from Beyond the Fog", a more kaiju-tinge take on the original short story with an all puppet cast and medieval Japan period setting. "Howl from Beyond the Fog" is currently free to view on Tubi and is on psychical release via SRS Cinema.
Bradbury had his ideas stolen all the time and he was incredibly gracious about it, when EC Comics stole one of his stories he sent them a letter politely reminding them they had to license it from him and when they did pay up he let them adapt more of his stories officially.
@@steffizillarex9794 well Gaw has yet to appear in a film, and will likely appear in a live action Disney plus tv show based on joe devitos novels. was only in the joe devitos novels and was really awesome also about the game, should have been Ubisoft or creative assembly to have developed that kong game and have it more like the 2005 game.
41:00 oh hey Wayne Barlowe is a pretty cool artist, he has a cool aesthetic for his monsters. He designed some of the Kaiju from Pacific Rim and has some other neat works as well.
There's also Daisuke Sato's unreleased 2007 fanfilm adaptation of The Foghorn and his 2019 short film "Howl from Beyond the Fog", a Foghorn inspired story set in Meiji Restoration era Japan
@metalmusicspedup 😂 I knew someone would say that. Took a lot longer than I thought. And no. Godzilla doesn't count. Smartass 🤣🤣 It's all in good fun though. I love that movie too. #TriStarGodzilla4Life.
@metalmusicspedup no it is trash regardless of franchise it is a part of. IT is boring up until last few minutes, when it tyrns into jurassic park rip off. Cast is insuferable and humor is garbage
The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms, despite not being a personal favorite of mine (personally, I think it's ok), is a film that I feel like definitely needs more respect amongst film buffs, kaiju fans, and dinosaur movie fans. Also, in your mentions of the Rhedosaurus's legacy, there is one thing I would like to add to it. In 2007 there was a planned proper adaptation of The Fog Horn, which ultimately didn't come to fruition, but would later become a crowdfunded short film released in 2019 called Howl From Beyond The Fog, a kaiju film made with puppets, which told the story of a young blind girl in the Meiji era of Japan almost getting killed and her guardian monster, dubbed Nebula, saving her and going on a rampage in retaliation. The film itself even paid homage to The Foghorn in several ways, most notably in Nebula's design, which looks a hell of a lot like a sauropod, mimicking the creature from the book but making it look like it was made from stone and wood, and even making the monster's roar an actual foghorn. The film is fantastic, I highly recommend it.
I think we passed way too casually over the fact that Wayne Barlowe, the creator of Alien Planet and the creature designer for the first Avatar, did illustrations for this story.
Godzilla (Irradiated Prehistoric Amphibious Reptile (Showa Series and mostly in Millennium Series), Irradiated Godzillasaurus (Heisei Series), Irradiated Marine Iguana (G1998), Collective Spirits of War World II Victims (GMK), and Prehistoric Amphibious Reptile (Titanus Gojira) (MonsterVerse), and Mutated theropod-like marine reptile (GMO).
Godzilla minus one: (Wolverine is Godzilla & now he can regenerate, for some stupid reason. Also hes apparently a pre cursor before 1954 gojira, how dumb is that? Yeah remake 1954 my butt i can make better story than that, infact I already did. & i remade king kong in my own too)
Would be interesting to see Monsterverse Rhedosaurus as one of the early kaiju that the Monarch had to deal with back in the 50's shortly after their establishment as a nod to the original film
I really enjoyed this video about The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms and since my interest in Godzilla has boomed recently I learned about that movie too from other videos, but this video has to be the best one I've saw about that movie! I can't believe what I learned regarding it like those books that was really interesting. Man your girlfriend sure changed it up when she highlighted that Pokemon episode that made sense going into another direction and really entertaining to top it all off.
Something of note about the Castle Bravo incident is that while most of the crew of the fishing boat suffered from radiation sickness, only one died from it (that being Kuboyama Aikichi who was the radioman).
Interestingly Godzilla 1998 feel really close to this movie But monsters designs is pretty much reversed of each other Rhedosaurus is a Dinosaur that look like a giant lizard And Zilla (or Godzilla in that movie) is a giant lizard that look like a dinosaur
I always thought that the 1998 Godzilla would have gotten a better reception if it had indeed been a remake of "The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms". Incidentally, "The Beast..." is still, after all these years, my favorite Harryhausen B&W film. I rewatch it at least twice a year. My favorite film of Ray's was, is and always will be "Jason and The Argonauts", while my favorite Harryhausen "Sinbad" film will always be "The Golden Voyage Of Sinbad". It felt to me that Ray had a freer hand in making his creatures, which, to me, were always some of his best work. Plus, John Phillip Law will always be the best personification of Sinbad in ANY movie I have ever watched.
1: The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms inspired the original Godzilla (1954). So it would be nice to see the Rhedosaurus meet the very monster it inspired. 2: I’m sure they would scale him up to size to fit in with the rest of the Titans. Look at King Ghidorah, he’s freaking huge compared to most incarnations of him. And the same can be said for Kong 3: Just because he doesn’t have any beam attacks or other special abilities doesn’t mean he’s defenseless. Just look at Angurius or the Ramarak Skullcrawler. Sure they’re not as strong as Godzilla or King Ghidorah but they still pack a punch and don’t go down without a fight. The same could be said for Mothra, especially her Monsterverse incarnation
@@gavinsiville9969 but then it isn't rhedosaurus. It is completly different monster. Why would you want to destroy something that already works. Toho can mix up their monsters, that they created, but for the live of god, don't japanese American creatures
Imagine Robert Egger's The Lighthouse (2019) but the big reveal in the end is just that dark shot of the Rhedosaurus silhouette tearing it down in the end
That Krabby stays with Prof Oak for like 60 episodes until Ash enters the big pokemon league tournament and it evolves into Kingler and single-handedly beats Ash's first opponent. Badass lil crab.
I want The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms remake so badly! King Kong got a remake, but why not this movie? I wanna see Rhedosaurus in colours (and possibly in new design and with CGI look, like with Peter Jackson's King Kong movie)
I’m sorry to keep bothering you, but do you have any updates on the status of your Carnosaur videos? They were some of my favorites that you made and it’s unfortunate that they can’t be viewed.
They are not gonna be up for a while. I have other priorities to focus on, but when I eventually have the chance, I will work to get them back up. I don't like this situation anymore than you or other fans of those videos do, so please be patient
I find it funny how Godzilla was originally a symbolism of fear and destruction. The movie had this dark tone, it was full of despair. A representation of the absolute dread Japan felt from the effects of the atomic bomb...and now Godzilla is basically a mascot for Japan. Even got a super silly educational show for toddlers in the 90s, where we got segments of Godzilla with a woman, doing things like cooking and dancing, along with animated segments with moments like Mechagodzilla wearing a suit. And no, I'm not making this up. Its called "Godzilland". An atomic bombing resulted in a Sesame Street with Kaiju. What a crazy, crazy world we live in.
I often hope Rhedosaurus could join Monsterverse,but judge from the late Harryhausen's hatred toward Godzilla. I wonder if such cross-over would really happen in the first place.
Fun Fact: Eugene Lourie ironically would play a bit part of the keeper of yet ANOTHER lighthouse being destroyed, this one being in KRAKATOA, EAST OF JAVA (1969), where his character sends out a telegram moment before the massive tsunami created by Krakatoa's volcanic eruption hits. He was one of the artists on the FX of that movie, which earned him an Oscar nomination.
I believe there is another US movie that literally made Godzilla the monster he became. Originally Godzilla was going to be a giant octopus-like monster, but "It Came from Beneath the Sea" caused a rethink I believe and thus Big G became a dinosaur instead.
And in super man the monster was thick and arms masculine like Godzilla too even legs looked like him I'll show you one of the series that paramount put out
You don’t need to tell me about I put it’s in my field guide rise of the titans, but i would like a remake closer to the original and not like Godzilla 1998
In the trade press the first mention of a possible re-release of King Kong is in The Hollywood Reporter - Apr 10, 1952 Third Twin Horror Bill Being Reissued by RKO RKO has set another twin horror bill reissue package, "King Kong" and "Leopard Man," as a follow-up to the currently successful "Hunchback of Notre Dame" "Cat People" and "I Walked With a Zombie" "Body Snatchers. The first mention of "The Monster From Beneath the Sea" is in June 1951 - when Mutual Films was first created - Monster is one of their 16 proposed films (yes they only ever made two films, but at one time, October 1951, they had 24 on their slate). Production of Beast started - with a trip on the Super-Chief to film in New York on April 25, 1952. Interestingly, the first mention of "The Monster From Beneath the Sea" was about a week after the Bradbury story was published. So there is no way that RKO's success with the re-release of King Kong prompted the making of Beast. The pre-release marketing of the King Kong/The Leopard Man double bill started in May 1952, Kong took off like a rocket in June. Studio filming of Beast began in July, but New York filming had been completed and effects work had been taking place for two months already. I can believe that RKO's success in marketing King Kong prompted Warners to buy and promote 'Beast' in June 1953.
Superman 1942 cartoon " The Arctic Giant " predates Godzilla and 20,000 fathom beast. There is NO WAY this episode didn't got some influence in Godzilla genesis. Its resembkance is extreme UNCANNY!!!
i wouldn't be surprised if the number 20 thousand, is something of a shoutout to jules verne. i would love to see a film that combines verne and kaiju.
Not that I don't understand where Harryhausen's coming from, but I think its a bit unfair that he would call Godzilla a rip-off of Beast from 20,000 Fathoms since, yes, there are similarities, both films have their own unique identities.
i was 6 or 7 when "beast" came out. i think it was the first science fiction / monster movie i saw, and i LOVED it! now 70 years later i find it was a Low Budget movie?? modern "block buster" movies should be so good! by the way, didn't the guy in the car lifted by the beast look a lot like bradbury??
There is another movie with the same creature in it that would give off radiation making people running away from it sick But I don't remember the title of it.....
Godzilla is what the U.S military was to the Japanese in WW-2, a unstoppable juggernaut that the Japanese were helpless to prevent from leveling their cities and killing its people at will ,
No matter, King Kong remains the common thread. I think 20,000 fathoms earns the credit for the A bomb wakes up monster trope, but i will joke that its a Monster Film Noir movie. It has all the same stock actors and film crew/composer used to make B film noir movies and with its murky lighting and moody score feels like a 1940s detective drama, with a monster 😅😅 but im totally ok with that. Godzilla is gut wrenching, and awe inspiring as a piece of cinema, but i will not lie that i do prefer Godzilla as campy, and fun.
And on superman cartoon about a trex that grew big after escaping ice people were freezing in Illinois in a building to keep it frozen after discovery in Siberia and had four toes and face like on Godzilla eighty five and was just as tall and destroying city till Superman stopped it but that's inspiration too even the way it walked but little faster what Godzilla does off and on and people could even see it from 3 blocks away how big it was I think that cartoon also was inspiration but did not blow fire either but was just as big on cartoon Superman in fourties which inspired anime cartoon too it was written by paramount the same company that made Popeye cartoon from thirties and fourties and fifties that made Superman with that dinosaur looking Godzilla
True, there's that too. Not as hard of an allegorical message as Godzilla, but it could demonstrate how a radioactive weapon can also solve the problem as much as it can cause it
Godzilla looks skinnier as seen from the new, unreleased Hiya toy and the recent clip with Kong riding him. I don’t know how to feel about this Godzilla design. It’s weird because I kept saying he’s way too fat. Thick neck, thick thighs (which is a staple of his), but then his smaller head made him look fatter than how he really is in 2019/2021. Now that he’s thinner, I’m not sure if I like it? Perhaps they made him a little too thin. I figure they made him slimmer so he can run faster. But he now looks less threatening now that he lost some of his bulk. I’m not feeling either of Godzilla or Kong’s designs in this movie. I still prefer 2019/2021 Godzilla and 2021 Kong more. Kong looks older like he’s a viking/Kratos (2018/2022). While I’m not feeling Godzilla being that much slimmer and all that pink stuff on him like he visited the set of Barbie last year. I do like the color pink but not on Godzilla. They’re trying to feminize my Big G and I’m not buying. Minus One G looks much better to me. So the giant female lizard dinosaur has blue scales while the giant male lizard dinosaur has pink scales? That’s like giving Superman a baby blue and hot pink suit or make a Batman or Iron Man suit with all fuchsia. What next? Make Godzilla and Kong gay for each other? I can imagine the ending to This Is The End (2013). Kong is holding Godzilla and Whitney Houston’s cover to Dolly Parton’s “I Will Always Love You” plays in the background. Both fanbases would be livid! Their “kings” were “queens” all this time! They were gay in love for each other all this time like Steve and Bucky! 🤣 This doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy the movie. I just don’t like the G24 design. I really can’t wait to see Shimo once I see the movie. She looks to be under wraps until we finally see the movie. She might end up being my favorite kaiju design in this movie. But my personal favorite might be Kong again or maybe Skar King. The apes have the skill factor in their fights with their long arms, hands, and feet. They can throw crap at each other and use actual weapons. It’s like two humans fighting. While the dinosaur kaijus have the beams, tails, and the brute force. I slightly prefer Godzilla over Kong overall but it seems I tend to prefer Kong more in GvK and perhaps in GxK again. I don’t know what Legendary is doing to my Godzilla. He looks a little worse to me. Make him pink and slimmer to cater to females. Godzilla and Kong looked more macho when they were fighting each other. Maybe the G24 design will grow on me since the MV 2014/2019/2021 designs took years to do so. I still predict Godzilla will be the big hero at the end after he defeats Shimo. Return the favor to Kong for saving his life in GvK. Or Shimo gets free from Skar’s spell and freezes him before Kong smashes him to a million pieces. The ending was already spoiled in that clip with flesh splattering from ice. And there are leaks for this. You can see Kong roaring after he smashes the ice with flesh flying across from it. It’s a predictable movie. Nobody expects Skar King to win at the end. Oh well, I’m good with my Hiya G21 and Art Spirits K21 figures. Now I need figures for the baddies. Shimo and Tiamat might have the most beautiful designs in all of MonsterVerse.
Nice to know. One question though, what prompted you to type out an entire essay about your opinions on GxK when 1. The video isn't even about that, and 2. The film isn't even out?
Did you know because Eugene Lourie’s daughter cried over the Rhedosaurus dying, he promised her to make a monster movie where the monster will live at the end? That movie was Gorgo.
Yup the rhedosaurus clearly not evil. He just stressed and confused normal animal. In original short story he even more tragic as he approaching the sound from foghorn ,because the sound resemble mating call from his fellow species, a call that he would never heard anymore
I can relate to her tbh
I love Gorgo , sure it's dumb but watching Gorgo stepping on London landmarks is great fun.
I saw "The Beast" on TV when I was about 8 years old. I don't think I cried, but I felt sorry for that magnificent animal. That last agonized cry really tore at my heart, still does. Lourié made the same monster movie three times. "Gorgo" was the biggest departure from the basic plot (almost a remake of "King Kong") However, in 1959 he directed "The Giant Behemoth", which was virtually a direct remake of "The Beast", except the city attacked is London rather than New York. The monster is a sort of carnivorous Brachiosaurus rather than a super-giant Pseudoisuchian and armed with an electric defense like an electric eel that projects gamma rays that burn flesh into cinders (shades of Godzilla!). The Behemoth also pulls the same stunts as the 1953 beast -- he crushes cars flat with his feet and he throws cars about with his jaws. The humans finally destroy the monster with a radio-isotope carried by a torpedo rather than a rifle grenade.
def loved the ending to gorgo lol. let him chill with his momma in peace!
Something to mention about Harryhausen’s hatred of Godzilla could be more than just jealousy or feelings of plagiarism. Some have theorized his distaste comes from the production of King Kong vs Godzilla, with John Beck taking Willis O’Brien’s King Kong vs Frankenstein script and selling it to Toho behind O’Brien’s back. Harryhausen was inspired by O’Brien’s work on The Lost World and King Kong, as well as becoming his protege and close friend starting with Mighty Joe Young. One of Harryhausen’s movies, Valley of Gwangi, was inspired by an early version O’Brien wrote in 1941 but got scrapped. So it could be a bit of envy, but also feeling that a close friend was fucked over. O’Brien died before the movie made it to the states so might sting harder.
This is very true. I can imagine he was maybe off put at first, but the events regarding King Kong Vs Godzilla likely cemented his personal thoughts on the franchise
@@DinoDiego16 oh absolutely yeah, his feelings of resentment were already there but just got stronger
Yeah, for me and my opinion there’s always this word never meet your heroes
In all fairness what the fillm makers did to get the story was pretty scummy
from what iv read,it was because allegedly he didn't like the fact it was a guy in a suit running around a awkwardly in a miniature city...and looked out of place compared to his stop motion movies...at least thats how i decipher what i read about his brief mention of it...
Rhedosaurus walked, so that Godzilla can run.
Rhesosaurus crawled on all fours, so that Godzilla could walk on his hind legs.
@@uberrex8073 rhesosaurus is a quadruped and gojira is a bipedal
Harryhausen feeling "jealous" of Godzilla is a common myth. Harryhausen didn't mind suits, when it was done well, he had gone on record saying he liked the Creature from the Black Lagoon's suit. The real reason for his bitterness was the fact his mentor and good friend Willis O'Brien had been pitching his movie "King Kong vs Frankenstien" which famously got nowhere, and the script for that being sold to "a Japanese studio" which can be assumed to be Toho, which then became King Kong vs Godzilla, tragically O'Brien died not long after its release.
That’s interesting because I remember an interview Harryhausen did in I think the mid 2000s were he called Godzilla a “filch” of his own work on the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms. The O’Brien getting screwed over part is definitely the main factor regardless though
I read about him liking certain suits too, given they were done well. I typically mention suitmation when describing Godzilla effects, since that's the word that's pretty much synonymized with that franchise and what he was most critical towards
I interviewed Harryhausen back in 2012, shortly before he passed away. I assure you that he HATED Godzilla. He thought that Warner should have sued back in the 1950s and he never understood why such low quality movies made so much money.
@@Enriqueguioneswhere can we read this interview?
@@codexmachina1358 It was published on a spanish cinema magazine, more than ten years ago. I published a transcript on my site, but the youtube filter won't allow me to put a link in here.
Teachers: 'Plagiarism is bad!' Film Makers: 'I prefer the word inspiration!' Jokes aside it is always neat to see how things go around, and unknowing help create of the biggest pop culture phenomenons
also not to plug in anothers video, if thats not allowed you can remove my comment, but the channel Curious Archive has a really neat video about Sympathy for the Monster where he detailed the changing perception of monsters in media. And of course both king kong and godzilla are a big part of that going from antagonistic monsters to giant super heroes. He had a really cool quote from the godzilla director Ishiro Honda: "Monsters are tragic beings, They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy, they are not evil by choice, that is their tragedy"
One important thing that not many people talk about Godzilla is how it was influenced by the American occupation of Japan.
After WW2 when America was in control of Japan, they basically reorganized the Japanese government and culture to rid it of its imperialistic ambitions. One measure was censorship over entertainment. There were very strict rules that banned anything that could be perceived as nationalistic or militaristic. Not very nice, but it was effective in changing Japanese culture to be more peaceful.
Though Godzilla was released a couple years after the end of the American occupation, there was still a either laws against showing the Japanese military as victorious or it has become a cultural taboo. That's why the military constantly fail in Godzilla and the heroes are a scientist and a working-class man.
That continues to this day where the military are never really effective in Godzilla movies.
I honestly like this approach since it ads much more to the horror aspect since you can't just solve the problem by simply throwing more *BOOM!* at it, (right Roland Emmerich!?😠) and forcing heroes to think outside the box.
A kaiju sized Dragonite from 20 plus years ago? Let's goooo
My favorites together again. After watching this consider;
Godzilla v Dino Diego: Paleo S.o.S
Godzilla v Dino Diego: Demonitized empire
and Godzilla's revenge.( Dino Diego is in it, but it's just stock footage from the orignal Dino Diego films.)
Rhedosaurus vibe time
1933 - *King Kong* Willis O’Brien
1945 - A-bomb
1951 - *Beast from 20,000 Fathoms* novel by Ray Bradbury
1953 - *Beast from 20,000 Fathoms* monster effects by Ray Harryhausen
1954 - Castle Bravo
Later 1954 - *Gojira*
Ironically, so much of gojira’s inspiration can be argued to be so inspired via western/American products.
Do you think Superman's Arctic Giant played a part in this sum of influences?
The most underrated kaiju
it's not a kaiju
@@cesarzpontu8886 Of course it is.
@@philarmstrong3765 no
@@cesarzpontu8886 Kaiju is Japanese for 'strange creature' and has come to describe any huge, monstrous beast or occasionally a robot' The Beast From 20k definitely fits that bill.
@@philarmstrong3765 yet it isn't a japanese creature by any stsndard
I rewatched this movie some months ago, absolute classic
A Hollywood studio operating in the gray area of legality and ethics? That's so rare. 🙄
In a strange case of things coming full circle, some have said that Godzilla (1998) was a better remake of Beasts from 20,000 Fathoms than Godzilla.
it's a trash movie regardless
im of the few that didn't mind it back then, it was one of the only movies i saw in the cinema, the story sucked,but the action scenes in the city were good,since it was the first time a saw a giant monster tear up a city in a large screen...
@@cesarzpontu8886at least the cartoon series with Zilla Jr. was good though
Came for diego stayed for gambito
Diego overrated Fr fr
@@CeratsTheCrunchvery true
I want to see the Beast From 20,000 Fathoms fight The Giant Behemoth.
Yes. The King of the Monsters duels The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms in a duel to the death!
Someone else may have mentioned these by now but there's two more Japanese takes on THE FOG HORN worth noting. In 2007, there was a black-and-white short film with a plesiosaur in place of an aquatic dinosaur but, outside that and the Japanese relocation, it appears to be pretty faithful to Bradburry's original. Unfortunately, said short seems be have been lost forever after the hard drives carrying it were reportedly destroyed, though a trailer for the 2007 film survives online. Apparently, the same people behind said lost short also worked on 2019's "Howl from Beyond the Fog", a more kaiju-tinge take on the original short story with an all puppet cast and medieval Japan period setting. "Howl from Beyond the Fog" is currently free to view on Tubi and is on psychical release via SRS Cinema.
Gotta take a look at this now. Very interesting stuff!
I brought that up earlier, but it’s got to have that reaffirmed. Also, Howl From Beyond The Fog is a beautiful film.
Anyone else think Shimo the father of all kaiju's coming in the new godzilla vs kong movie is a reference to the The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms?
Bradbury had his ideas stolen all the time and he was incredibly gracious about it, when EC Comics stole one of his stories he sent them a letter politely reminding them they had to license it from him and when they did pay up he let them adapt more of his stories officially.
Similarly, Edgar Rice Burroughs could let fellow competitors use their tarzanesque characters without using the Tarzan name.
Rhedosaurus: Underrated fictional Dinosaur
Godzilla: Brilliant fictional Dinosaur
Vastatosaurus Rex: Good fictional Dinosaur
Indominus Rex: Overrated fictional Dinosaur
(My Opinion)
Gaw: epic fictional dinosaur
@@jointcerulean3350 Gaw had good potential, but it wasn't used in Skull Island: Rise of Kong (Sadly)
@@steffizillarex9794 well Gaw has yet to appear in a film, and will likely appear in a live action Disney plus tv show based on joe devitos novels. was only in the joe devitos novels and was really awesome also about the game, should have been Ubisoft or creative assembly to have developed that kong game and have it more like the 2005 game.
@@jointcerulean3350 Oh, I know the ,,new" Version of Gaw. Thank you for the Information
41:00 oh hey Wayne Barlowe is a pretty cool artist, he has a cool aesthetic for his monsters. He designed some of the Kaiju from Pacific Rim and has some other neat works as well.
There's also Daisuke Sato's unreleased 2007 fanfilm adaptation of The Foghorn and his 2019 short film "Howl from Beyond the Fog", a Foghorn inspired story set in Meiji Restoration era Japan
Foghorn isn't that a giant chicken from looney cartoons
Godzilla’s daddy! Big Rhed needs another movie.
@metalmusicspedup 😂 I knew someone would say that. Took a lot longer than I thought. And no. Godzilla doesn't count. Smartass 🤣🤣 It's all in good fun though.
I love that movie too. #TriStarGodzilla4Life.
@metalmusicspedup Godzilla 1998 is trash
@metalmusicspedup no it is trash regardless of franchise it is a part of. IT is boring up until last few minutes, when it tyrns into jurassic park rip off. Cast is insuferable and humor is garbage
@metalmusicspedup mine and film critics
@metalmusicspedup hahaha, dude xddd. You are just a pathetic fanboy then
The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms, despite not being a personal favorite of mine (personally, I think it's ok), is a film that I feel like definitely needs more respect amongst film buffs, kaiju fans, and dinosaur movie fans.
Also, in your mentions of the Rhedosaurus's legacy, there is one thing I would like to add to it. In 2007 there was a planned proper adaptation of The Fog Horn, which ultimately didn't come to fruition, but would later become a crowdfunded short film released in 2019 called Howl From Beyond The Fog, a kaiju film made with puppets, which told the story of a young blind girl in the Meiji era of Japan almost getting killed and her guardian monster, dubbed Nebula, saving her and going on a rampage in retaliation. The film itself even paid homage to The Foghorn in several ways, most notably in Nebula's design, which looks a hell of a lot like a sauropod, mimicking the creature from the book but making it look like it was made from stone and wood, and even making the monster's roar an actual foghorn. The film is fantastic, I highly recommend it.
Gorgo is my favorite Eugene Lourie movie. Yours?
@@huntercoleman460 Same. I'm very excited to see what Titanic Creations will do with her.
@@MinecraftWorld1954 same
Ngl, when i first heard about The Beast from 20.000 fathoms, it reminded me instantly of that one Pokemon episode
I think we passed way too casually over the fact that Wayne Barlowe, the creator of Alien Planet and the creature designer for the first Avatar, did illustrations for this story.
Never heard of him prior to doing this video. He's got some nice art. Very cool stuff
@@DinoDiego16 His book Expedition is one of the most influential works of speculative biology, I think you should check it out!
@@marioa.l.2665I just might one of these days!
41:39 I didn't know you two were together!
Godzilla (Irradiated Prehistoric Amphibious Reptile (Showa Series and mostly in Millennium Series), Irradiated Godzillasaurus (Heisei Series), Irradiated Marine Iguana (G1998), Collective Spirits of War World II Victims (GMK), and Prehistoric Amphibious Reptile (Titanus Gojira) (MonsterVerse), and Mutated theropod-like marine reptile (GMO).
Godzilla minus one: (Wolverine is Godzilla & now he can regenerate, for some stupid reason. Also hes apparently a pre cursor before 1954 gojira, how dumb is that? Yeah remake 1954 my butt i can make better story than that, infact I already did. & i remade king kong in my own too)
"1954 Godzilla's Abilities": Amphibious lifestyle, atomic breath, durability, bites, tail, physical abilities. "1954 Godzilla's Weaknesses": Oxygen Destroyer.
I love how one of the Ray the greatest stop motion experts and Ray one of the greatest fiction writers were friends 🥰🥰🥰
Another incredible documentary filled with tidbits of trivia all around. Hats off to Dino Diego!
I like to imagine Rhedosaurus as being an ancestor of Godzilla.
Cringe
There was a lot of things influenced Godzilla but Ray Harryhausen monsters and King Kong are the biggest influence for Godzilla.
Rhedosaurus remake would be epic, or rhedosaurus in the monstervere would be really cool
Nope
Part of me thinks Doug resembles Rhedosaurus at some point lol
Would be interesting to see Monsterverse Rhedosaurus as one of the early kaiju that the Monarch had to deal with back in the 50's shortly after their establishment as a nod to the original film
I really enjoyed this video about The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms and since my interest in Godzilla has boomed recently I learned about that movie too from other videos, but this video has to be the best one I've saw about that movie! I can't believe what I learned regarding it like those books that was really interesting. Man your girlfriend sure changed it up when she highlighted that Pokemon episode that made sense going into another direction and really entertaining to top it all off.
You should do a video about the hunter primal
Always thought it was interesting that Gamera also attacks a lighthouse in his first movie… coincidence?! 🤔
Another banger from Dino Diego
Something of note about the Castle Bravo incident is that while most of the crew of the fishing boat suffered from radiation sickness, only one died from it (that being Kuboyama Aikichi who was the radioman).
Rhedosaurus vs The great behemoth
Who do you think will win?
i think Rhedosaurus
Interestingly
Godzilla 1998 feel really close to this movie
But monsters designs is pretty much reversed of each other
Rhedosaurus is a Dinosaur that look like a giant lizard
And Zilla (or Godzilla in that movie) is a giant lizard that look like a dinosaur
I always thought that the 1998 Godzilla would have gotten a better reception if it had indeed been a remake of "The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms". Incidentally, "The Beast..." is still, after all these years, my favorite Harryhausen B&W film. I rewatch it at least twice a year. My favorite film of Ray's was, is and always will be "Jason and The Argonauts", while my favorite Harryhausen "Sinbad" film will always be "The Golden Voyage Of Sinbad". It felt to me that Ray had a freer hand in making his creatures, which, to me, were always some of his best work. Plus, John Phillip Law will always be the best personification of Sinbad in ANY movie I have ever watched.
Since Warner bros owns the Rhedosaurus, I want to see it appear in the Monsterverse
if they remember the monster/animal
I’m sure they would, it did inspire Godzilla
Why? I mean it is small compared to other monsters there and doesn't have any special powers.
1: The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms inspired the original Godzilla (1954). So it would be nice to see the Rhedosaurus meet the very monster it inspired.
2: I’m sure they would scale him up to size to fit in with the rest of the Titans. Look at King Ghidorah, he’s freaking huge compared to most incarnations of him. And the same can be said for Kong
3: Just because he doesn’t have any beam attacks or other special abilities doesn’t mean he’s defenseless. Just look at Angurius or the Ramarak Skullcrawler. Sure they’re not as strong as Godzilla or King Ghidorah but they still pack a punch and don’t go down without a fight. The same could be said for Mothra, especially her Monsterverse incarnation
@@gavinsiville9969 but then it isn't rhedosaurus. It is completly different monster. Why would you want to destroy something that already works. Toho can mix up their monsters, that they created, but for the live of god, don't japanese American creatures
Excellent. Very well done. I love all these films.
this is a good video from the production to the movie to redhosaurus to godzilla it was a good time
Imagine Robert Egger's The Lighthouse (2019) but the big reveal in the end is just that dark shot of the Rhedosaurus silhouette tearing it down in the end
rhedosaurus forever!
That Krabby stays with Prof Oak for like 60 episodes until Ash enters the big pokemon league tournament and it evolves into Kingler and single-handedly beats Ash's first opponent. Badass lil crab.
We stan our lil guy!
@@GambitVampyr he pops out knowing Hyper Beam, lil guy is built different 🦀
@@Boneworm852 he put the King in kingler!
big Kaiju fan. Hope you do Gorgo as well.
I want The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms remake so badly!
King Kong got a remake, but why not this movie? I wanna see Rhedosaurus in colours (and possibly in new design and with CGI look, like with Peter Jackson's King Kong movie)
Agreed. Closest thing we have is, ironically, the 1998 Godzilla movie
please no
Rhedosaurus would looks sick when his movie got remaked and his design too!
the beast from 2000 thatoms. i know that movie and that it inspired gojira.
I’m sorry to keep bothering you, but do you have any updates on the status of your Carnosaur videos? They were some of my favorites that you made and it’s unfortunate that they can’t be viewed.
They are not gonna be up for a while. I have other priorities to focus on, but when I eventually have the chance, I will work to get them back up. I don't like this situation anymore than you or other fans of those videos do, so please be patient
@@DinoDiego16 No problem. Thanks for letting us know
I find it funny how Godzilla was originally a symbolism of fear and destruction. The movie had this dark tone, it was full of despair. A representation of the absolute dread Japan felt from the effects of the atomic bomb...and now Godzilla is basically a mascot for Japan. Even got a super silly educational show for toddlers in the 90s, where we got segments of Godzilla with a woman, doing things like cooking and dancing, along with animated segments with moments like Mechagodzilla wearing a suit. And no, I'm not making this up. Its called "Godzilland".
An atomic bombing resulted in a Sesame Street with Kaiju. What a crazy, crazy world we live in.
I often hope Rhedosaurus could join Monsterverse,but judge from the late Harryhausen's hatred toward Godzilla. I wonder if such cross-over would really happen in the first place.
Fun Fact: Eugene Lourie ironically would play a bit part of the keeper of yet ANOTHER lighthouse being destroyed, this one being in KRAKATOA, EAST OF JAVA (1969), where his character sends out a telegram moment before the massive tsunami created by Krakatoa's volcanic eruption hits. He was one of the artists on the FX of that movie, which earned him an Oscar nomination.
I believe there is another US movie that literally made Godzilla the monster he became. Originally Godzilla was going to be a giant octopus-like monster, but "It Came from Beneath the Sea" caused a rethink I believe and thus Big G became a dinosaur instead.
And in super man the monster was thick and arms masculine like Godzilla too even legs looked like him I'll show you one of the series that paramount put out
The Arctic Giant and it's from 1942.
An iconic mobster and movie that should be regarded up there with the original King Kong and Godzilla movies.
the beast with its ridges reminds me of the mythical Wyvern.
You don’t need to tell me about I put it’s in my field guide rise of the titans, but i would like a remake closer to the original and not like Godzilla 1998
why remake?
@@cesarzpontu8886 because this film is most forgotten by dinosaur and kajiu fans and I think a remake would be better to know this film
@@canonbehenna612 i don't think so
10:44 I have 2 copies of this Book in a Hardcover issue.
IMO The Foghorn is a better title. Its more timeless.
In the trade press the first mention of a possible re-release of King Kong is in The Hollywood Reporter - Apr 10, 1952
Third Twin Horror Bill Being Reissued by RKO
RKO has set another twin horror bill reissue package, "King Kong" and "Leopard Man," as a follow-up to the currently successful "Hunchback of Notre Dame" "Cat People" and "I Walked With a Zombie" "Body Snatchers.
The first mention of "The Monster From Beneath the Sea" is in June 1951 - when Mutual Films was first created - Monster is one of their 16 proposed films (yes they only ever made two films, but at one time, October 1951, they had 24 on their slate). Production of Beast started - with a trip on the Super-Chief to film in New York on April 25, 1952.
Interestingly, the first mention of "The Monster From Beneath the Sea" was about a week after the Bradbury story was published.
So there is no way that RKO's success with the re-release of King Kong prompted the making of Beast.
The pre-release marketing of the King Kong/The Leopard Man double bill started in May 1952, Kong took off like a rocket in June. Studio filming of Beast began in July, but New York filming had been completed and effects work had been taking place for two months already.
I can believe that RKO's success in marketing King Kong prompted Warners to buy and promote 'Beast' in June 1953.
Superman 1942 cartoon " The Arctic Giant " predates Godzilla and 20,000 fathom beast. There is NO WAY this episode didn't got some influence in Godzilla genesis. Its resembkance is extreme UNCANNY!!!
Reptilicus deserves recognition. As do Irwin Allen's iguana, alligator, and monitor lizard actors.
An Athearn freight car being crushed by a guy crawling in a "Monster" suit.
Born in 1955, and the Beast From 20000 Fathoms was a highlight of my dinosaur loving childhood. Godzilla was a far 2nd place..
i wouldn't be surprised if the number 20 thousand, is something of a shoutout to jules verne. i would love to see a film that combines verne and kaiju.
As someone once said "Every script has been remade, rehashed and rebooted at least a twice"
Not that I don't understand where Harryhausen's coming from, but I think its a bit unfair that he would call Godzilla a rip-off of Beast from 20,000 Fathoms since, yes, there are similarities, both films have their own unique identities.
Ohh that's so cool
If it wasn’t for this movie it wouldn’t have inspired a movie legend
I am grateful for the movie
i was 6 or 7 when "beast" came out. i think it was the first science fiction / monster movie i saw, and i LOVED it! now 70 years later i find it was a Low Budget movie?? modern "block buster" movies should be so good! by the way, didn't the guy in the car lifted by the beast look a lot like bradbury??
Here it is looks like godzilla almost face all and way bangs its tail on buildings except at first has green eyes but still looks like him
And is in the monsterverse if you wonder how well remember the lizard in gvk that ate a crustatian
There is another movie with the same creature in it that would give off radiation making people running away from it sick But I don't remember the title of it.....
Godzilla is what the U.S military was to the Japanese in WW-2, a unstoppable juggernaut that the Japanese were helpless to prevent from leveling their cities and killing its people at will ,
One of the best movies in the 59s
You know you should probably do a video on primitive war reading
Will there be a west of Eden pt3😭
i have the colorized beast from 20,000 fathoms :)
No matter, King Kong remains the common thread. I think 20,000 fathoms earns the credit for the A bomb wakes up monster trope, but i will joke that its a Monster Film Noir movie. It has all the same stock actors and film crew/composer used to make B film noir movies and with its murky lighting and moody score feels like a 1940s detective drama, with a monster 😅😅 but im totally ok with that. Godzilla is gut wrenching, and awe inspiring as a piece of cinema, but i will not lie that i do prefer Godzilla as campy, and fun.
Went from PG to R real quick when Gambit showed up.
Me: talks about a tragic event in world history that killed off hundreds of thousands of people
Gambit: *curses a few times*
😂
I'm a menace
@@GambitVampyr Maybe so, but not nearly as much as that masked menace Spider-Man!
And on superman cartoon about a trex that grew big after escaping ice people were freezing in Illinois in a building to keep it frozen after discovery in Siberia and had four toes and face like on Godzilla eighty five and was just as tall and destroying city till Superman stopped it but that's inspiration too even the way it walked but little faster what Godzilla does off and on and people could even see it from 3 blocks away how big it was I think that cartoon also was inspiration but did not blow fire either but was just as big on cartoon Superman in fourties which inspired anime cartoon too it was written by paramount the same company that made Popeye cartoon from thirties and fourties and fifties that made Superman with that dinosaur looking Godzilla
There's an easter egg to the Rhedosaurus in episode 2 of Godzilla Singular Point.
Dare,s a Pokémon inspired by the beast from 25,000 fatums
The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms is Infiniminer to godzilla's minecraft
I just want to know where they got 20,000 fathoms. Not even the Mariana Trench is anywhere close to that deep.
Where did you find the Wayne Barlowe illustrations for this video?
I own a copy of the magazine where the art came from
@@DinoDiego16 Wow.
Yep ill show you now
The beast from 25,000 fatums was in when dinosaurs ruled the earth 2
He's him
I see Godzilla 1998 as a remake of this movie.
What do you think it would be like if someone convicted ray to make his own version of Godzilla
Ray Henry howsin
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So this is how I learn that my username on Patreon is my damned legal name, off to fix that!
What movies did each of these clips come from?
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So godzilla is a bootleg of an American monster but is better in every way cause they actually thought it
Huh, thats new
Godzilla sucks
its your opinion im not allowed to change ur opinion
Didn’t know you had a gf tbh. New Diego lore ( I have no idea if he’s mentioned her in a livestream or whatnot)
I think you ignored the fact that a radioactive weapon also solves the problem in Beast from 20k fathoms.
True, there's that too. Not as hard of an allegorical message as Godzilla, but it could demonstrate how a radioactive weapon can also solve the problem as much as it can cause it
@@DinoDiego16 I mostly brought it up because the difference between American and Japanese depictions of radiation in media is fascinating.
Godzilla looks skinnier as seen from the new, unreleased Hiya toy and the recent clip with Kong riding him. I don’t know how to feel about this Godzilla design. It’s weird because I kept saying he’s way too fat. Thick neck, thick thighs (which is a staple of his), but then his smaller head made him look fatter than how he really is in 2019/2021.
Now that he’s thinner, I’m not sure if I like it? Perhaps they made him a little too thin. I figure they made him slimmer so he can run faster. But he now looks less threatening now that he lost some of his bulk. I’m not feeling either of Godzilla or Kong’s designs in this movie. I still prefer 2019/2021 Godzilla and 2021 Kong more.
Kong looks older like he’s a viking/Kratos (2018/2022). While I’m not feeling Godzilla being that much slimmer and all that pink stuff on him like he visited the set of Barbie last year. I do like the color pink but not on Godzilla. They’re trying to feminize my Big G and I’m not buying. Minus One G looks much better to me. So the giant female lizard dinosaur has blue scales while the giant male lizard dinosaur has pink scales? That’s like giving Superman a baby blue and hot pink suit or make a Batman or Iron Man suit with all fuchsia.
What next? Make Godzilla and Kong gay for each other? I can imagine the ending to This Is The End (2013). Kong is holding Godzilla and Whitney Houston’s cover to Dolly Parton’s “I Will Always Love You” plays in the background. Both fanbases would be livid! Their “kings” were “queens” all this time! They were gay in love for each other all this time like Steve and Bucky! 🤣 This doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy the movie. I just don’t like the G24 design.
I really can’t wait to see Shimo once I see the movie. She looks to be under wraps until we finally see the movie. She might end up being my favorite kaiju design in this movie. But my personal favorite might be Kong again or maybe Skar King. The apes have the skill factor in their fights with their long arms, hands, and feet. They can throw crap at each other and use actual weapons. It’s like two humans fighting. While the dinosaur kaijus have the beams, tails, and the brute force.
I slightly prefer Godzilla over Kong overall but it seems I tend to prefer Kong more in GvK and perhaps in GxK again. I don’t know what Legendary is doing to my Godzilla. He looks a little worse to me. Make him pink and slimmer to cater to females. Godzilla and Kong looked more macho when they were fighting each other. Maybe the G24 design will grow on me since the MV 2014/2019/2021 designs took years to do so.
I still predict Godzilla will be the big hero at the end after he defeats Shimo. Return the favor to Kong for saving his life in GvK. Or Shimo gets free from Skar’s spell and freezes him before Kong smashes him to a million pieces. The ending was already spoiled in that clip with flesh splattering from ice. And there are leaks for this. You can see Kong roaring after he smashes the ice with flesh flying across from it.
It’s a predictable movie. Nobody expects Skar King to win at the end. Oh well, I’m good with my Hiya G21 and Art Spirits K21 figures. Now I need figures for the baddies. Shimo and Tiamat might have the most beautiful designs in all of MonsterVerse.
Nice to know. One question though, what prompted you to type out an entire essay about your opinions on GxK when 1. The video isn't even about that, and 2. The film isn't even out?
Why are you complaining here?
Ah yes, making Godzilla have pink spines makes him feminine, as if Godzilla didn’t have an almost identical coloration in the early 2000s