I have the exact same setup just one more d3400. Haven’t installed the LTOs yet. Waiting to put in the dual alts. So this makes me happy! Awesome vid!!
I could list a dozen reasoned Why…. But not worth my time. Me and many others are happy to pay what these cost. Worth it To me. That’s all that matters
they say it's not good for front main battery but i'm using it and they are great.. (covered in heat resistant foam/aluminum)... i have now this battery with a super cap and a 50amp lithium and another super cap in the back... insane!!!!
@@doodcody15 I'm pushing 3000 watts 2 it. On stock electrical. If you have a 370 alt I think with one you should be good. My stock alt is probably a 120-130 and it works good.
Thanks man. Check my TH-cam short video where i go over install of it. These batteries are no joke man. Legit for real. Check out my last video I uploaded today for brutal demo and voltage stays at 14
@@NextLevelCarAudio, how do they compare with your Limitless Lithium? Which will you choose to run in the future? I think for the price and the performance, they are giving Limitless a run for the money. Great for small car builds. I'd like to see several of them on a big system build. I think they would surprise people and hold their own.
Wow your voltage was pretty solid I might grab me one I'm running an taramps smart 3k and im Dropping into low 12s high 11s 😬 stock 90 amp alt with 1 yellow top optima agm and 2 lead acid batteries and 4 runs of 4gauge cca 😭😭 just ordered an 320 amp alt from autotech engineering and imma grab one of these too with some knukonceptz 1/0 ofc that should help out alot
Thanks for the info Bro. Your videos are VERY INFORMATIVE & DETAILED. many don't do that. I tip my hat and always thanks again. My question is so once your batteries are fully charged you connect the fuses for the AGM and their all connected right. So from Alternator to Under hood battery to Lithium bank to Amps right? Or between AGM & Lithium bank an isolator is placed. I didn't see one so i must ask.
I was on the verge of selling my lto6.0 for a limitless 6k… only cause il be upgrading for a zv5 but wasn’t sure if I should stick with the lto.60 or get the limitless 6k..
@@daviddaupert1693 that little battery works great with a big alt but I would go for the cyber series, just stay below 14.8v or get the superbeast headway cells
I’m looking at this battery but not sure if I need 2 or just 1 I got a 200amp powermaster alternator and a xs power d6500 under hood my amp is deaf bonce aak-4000.1
Very clean and impressive install.Do you need a battery isolator when running agm with lithium(after they're charged) Appreciate you sharing your experience without the all the hating.
I’m thinking about picking up a couple of these to go with an odyssey extreme AGM under hood and an ioxus ultra cap in the rear. I guess the lithium batteries will be fine mixed with the AGM and keeping a charge level that matches the AGM battery’s voltage?
Hey, I got a question that not too many people ask but would this help combat my variable voltage in my vehicle that has a smart alternator? I have a 2023 Volkswagen. Tiguan and it has smart alternator with variable voltage that goes anywhere from 12.5 when when driving and when I let off of the gas it goes up to 14.2.
Would never of know that about them battery...was thinking about it my 15"avatar stu would love it....thks for info I would just tryed to plug it in....#teamd4sound allday
Hey thanks for the video. I was curious what you have your sfb set to rms wise? Just to get an idea. I have one as well I’m looking to set it to around 6k rms, I also have a 240 mechman but currently have a Walmart agm. The plan is to get a pair of these AND upgrade the agm after. Also with these do you need to occasionally charge them with the charger? Just asking since you mentioned removing the fuses whenever you want to charge them.
Love your videos man. Watching this set up. Made me run some grounds front to back and I have 4 of those d4s lto's going in my build. I have 300a singer alt up front and a oddessy agm up front. I will be running a wolfram 9k and a jp23/4 with 2 runs OFC 1/0 power and a run of 2/0 OFC ground front to back all Gp audio wire. Do you think 4 of those LTO's will be enough?
Look up windy nation welding cable and use their 4/0 welding cable. It's equal in size to 2/0 oversized car audio cable much more durable and cheaper and their 4/0 is rated for 440amps. Whatever cable you run know how many amps it's rated for how many feet of cable and do 2 or 3 runs so it can support what your amps will draw.
So if i ran 6 of these ltos off with 350 amp alt i could expect 4000w from each one? Also i already have 6 xs power d7500s in the rear would it benefit me in anyway to add the LTO 6.0s with the rear batteries?
You can do right the 1st time or the 2nd time or the 3rd time or never get it right DIY is great bcuz you get that satisfaction I BUILT THAT 😎 feeling you can also be homeless cheaper 😬 Thanks Next Level as always great video / message & remember BASS in ya FACE 🚙📻🔈🔉🔊🔊🔊💨💨💨💨💨💨🎼🎵🎶😂
First a question, is that volt meter at the front battery or at the amp? Second, if that's the actual voltage at the amp those batteries aren't doing a darn thing for you as you will not access reserve power until you reach their resting voltage so either your volt meter is wrong or your rise is insane because at that voltage you are on all alternator and 0 battery assistance. Very clean setup though and love the DC subs!
Hey man, im running strapped D4S Jp23s on dual Sundown Audio x12v3s. Jbl club 400 for my highs, Big 3, 280amp Iraggi Alt and a 67 ah, cca =775 XX2 agm battery. How many of those D4S lithium batteries would you recommend? Thanks in advance 🤙🏽
Let the haters hate, thats their job, bro that is the perfect hatch, for subs up port back, it's gotta load great, hows the cabin gain ?, with that hatchback, also, whats the box tune , nice install 👌!!
Sounds great with the exception of the flex. The panoramic sunroof does not help. One option that should have been forgone if doing a loud build lol. Box is tuned to 35hz
now I would agree they are decent batteries another thing i would like to know is what were you rising to? cause if your wired down to 1 but rising to 3 or 4 ohms that amp isnt putting out that much power and can still clip because of the higher resting ohm
Well I was expecting to have a certain amount of rise. I always choose my electrical/reserve/lithium based off rated numbers, not what I am clamping after rise. That way there is a pillow of extra power on tap/reserve. In my case, a 8k @ 1ohm needs a bank that can support 8k watts. Hence my 2 LTO’s. If they are only clamping say 6k. Great. That’s why my voltage on all my builds are strong. I don’t try to get to much out of too little like I said in my video.
When i start my car, the voltage is always 14.5 to 14.6. The alternator is 120 amp. Is 14.5 or 14.6 not to much for these lithium batteries? I only need 2500 to 4000 wat max for my speakers and sub. I have a Varta 52ah battery, and for some strange reason no voltage drop problems. I have a dc audio 3.5k and a rf fosgate t600-4. Four mtx two way composets and two 12 inch 700 watt rms dayton audio 4 ohm dvc subs wired to 1 ohm. It sounds great and goes pretty loud. But i am thinking about building a spl or sqpl box with two 12 inch 1500 watt rms spl drivers. Now the voltage always stays above 14.1, but i think i need a lithium battery before upgrading the subwoofer, but also not want to turn my car in a torch😅
Why do they need a lithium specific charger when the alternator will "recharge" them not knowing the difference. Doesn't make sense at all from an electrical point of view
Because connecting a load to the alternator that’s not charged is never a good idea and puts a ton of stress on it. Plus, connecting an uncharged lithium to a fully charged AGM is asking for a firework show. It’s just the right thing to do.
I was looking at getting a JP40 but the site states you can't use it with any other battery. That shit confuses me and aren't these just a smaller version? Any advice anyone? Am I totally wrong about the JP40 model or the LTO 6 model?
No isolator. That’s whats great about these if you look at the manufactures specs on the D4S website. If can run them inline with anything. No problems at all
Question ❓. Is it better to run battery and ground directly from the alternator to the amps bypassed the battery (s) or go from the alternator to the battery then AMPS? I ask because sometimes I see vids power and ground going to a fuse block then straight to the amp or AMPS or vise versa.
I live in canada and run 1 d4s lto inline with a xspower s925 and was wondering would a d925 be more ore less beneficial for starting in COLD weather and know the d925 will be better for discharge rate. Any advice is greatly appreciated 🙏
Probably not. The chargers are only like 8 amp or 25 amp. Depending on your setup, your amp probably draws at least 5 times that much and if a bigger amp, probably 10 times more.
I have these and let my car sit for a week and a half about and had to have it boosted. I believe the lithium is draining my agm. I usually start it up everyday and have no problems. Would it be wise for isolator or battery delete?
Yep you were the guy that has officially helped me make my mind up,putting two of them in , running two Team v3 fi subs on two Rockford bdcp 2500.1.should be nice.Agm up front with isolator and 250 alt power bastard....Can I get rid of my isolator though ???? Help.....
Just make sure you have a strong under hood battery. These are designed to be supplemental batteries. Not main/starting batteries. But work awesome with Under hood AGM’s. No isolators needed
@@NextLevelCarAudio I have a Yellow optima under the hood and a 375 farad ioxus supercap in the back. Currently stock alt. I’ve tried a 390 amp gp alternator and it fried twice within a matter of weeks for some reason. Meanwhile stock is fine just weak.
Something else to note, these D4S batteries do depend greatly on alternator output. If your running stick alt you are not going to get out of them what a high output alt would give you.
I have the exact same engine, the 2.5L and I was wondering where did you put the 2 grounds thats going to the engine block to the back to the lithium’s . You never showed it in your videos. You only showed the the battery negative going to to engine, and body of the car and also the alternator negative going straight back to the lithium.
@@NextLevelCarAudio Which is coming straight from the engine block right? I know you got one for sure going from Alternator negative case to distro block. And the other 2 negative are off the engine right. Im sorry asking again . Im just confused about the other 2 grounds that you have running from front to back. You didn’t show that part. You only showed the alternator case ground going straight to the distro block.
Built a 32ah headway bank about a year ago still running good but not as good as the first day I built it. How comparable are these in terms of power if you know?
I have not personally ran headway so can’t say from personal experience. Would be fun to run side by side tests of all the lithium out there to see how they all compare with each other
@@NextLevelCarAudio Definitely. As comparing lithium batteries is confusing makes it harder to choose the best for an application. Would have went with the 6.0 last year myself but at the time there was little testing and comparisons online. Many of my questions on the product went unanswered from various people.
Hey I have a question for you. I bought a SX POWER D3400 battery for my Acura TL 3.2L . Will this battery work in my car. Please let me know. Thanks brother.
Nice setup, I was thinking about getting a 2nd battery for my system when I install it. I was gonna change my stock battery to a xs agm with a 320A alt. My amp is a 2k. Can one of those lto be ok in parallel with my agm or should I jus get a smaller agm 2nd battery? Was thinking maybe with a 320A alternator and a xs power 3400 I would be ok. Or should I get a smaller agm you think? Thanks in advance
@Kel’s Life cool I definitely wanna upgrade my stock battery and was thinking of either getting a small agm or maybe the little lto 6.0 lithium. Jus didn't know if it could be done mixing agm and lithium.
I would do a D3400 under the hood with the lto 6.0 in the back and if you currently have agms for the back already then I would wire them all in parallel. That would support your 2k. A high output alternator and the big 3 under the hood would also be super beneficial in unison with everything to really show you what the lto 6.0 can do
@Kel’s Life hey what's up do you think 1 run of 0g from my agm to the D4S LTO would be enough. Was wondering why some people run 2 runs of 0g to the back is it cuse there amp needs to 0g power inputs?
I didn't get this battery, but I got a XS power S5 LTO to power my entire car and system. I have a singer 240 amp 14.8v alternator. I have a taramps smart 3 bass amp and a pair of Resilient sound 12 golds. Big four done all 1/0 gauge wire. The car is a 2005 Honda accord four-cylinder and at full tilt my voltage goes down to 13.8! Basically, we have almost the same set up except mine is half the power. How am I dropping 1 full volt and you're barely dropping any?
@@NextLevelCarAudio They can't be better than the XS Power lithium's, probably on par with them though. Although S5 put out a little bit more power and cost more. How many batteries are you running in your set up? You have an 8k amp right?
@@NextLevelCarAudio yeah that might explain it. You have three batteries. What do you charge your lithium's with? Does it have to be lithium titanate specific charger?
ive got a 240 amp js alt, an xpower agm, one d4s lto, with 1/0 copper runs, big 5, etc, running a taramps smart3bass, pushing 2 u series 12s.. im installing now.. will i be alright with one lto, or should i add a second.. and if i had 2, would i have enough power to support a smart5kbass?? from what im seeing from your build, i should be fine, and upgrading to a 5k, is within reach, if i have 2 ltos...
Hey man I had a problem with retaining the steering wheel controls in this car. I have the right adapter. If you did this can you let me know how. I'd appreciate it
I have two in my avalanche with 2 agm 140 ah with a 370 amp alternator…my question is I didn’t do a ground from my alternator but I have 2 frame grounds but my voltage still drops significantly…twisted sounds 6.5k on my subs and my subs are at 1ohm
I'm going to upgrade to a 5k amp currently have a 250 mechman and D3400 under the hood of my Yukon, do you think an LTO 6 would be a better choice over another D3400?
5k would honestly be pushing it, since with a 250 amp alt you can expect 4k watt support from it. 2 would be best. And you would never have to worry about voltage drop at full tilt ever again.
Very nice man ⚡️💪🏽
Thanks!
@@NextLevelCarAudio I have a 45ah cMAX bank
Jp get this man some discounts on some d4s stuff he is taking some haters off your hands and showing them facts.
The HOE is sick. Love it. Never too big of a build. And that bank, just sick.
@@OnlySubzz He needs an affiliate link cause I'm about to buy two of these
I have the exact same setup just one more d3400. Haven’t installed the LTOs yet. Waiting to put in the dual alts. So this makes me happy! Awesome vid!!
You will definitely be satisfied with them!
I continue to learn great things from your videos 👏🏻👏🏻
Awesome. Thanks
I watched the whole video so I see what you have .. amazing performance.. and nice craftsmanship
That’s an awesome build bro, preforms good on camera but I bet even better in person I’m planning on getting a couple of those LTO-6.0 for my build.
Hell yeah!
but why you can get so much more for sooo much less these are overpriced af
I could list a dozen reasoned Why…. But not worth my time. Me and many others are happy to pay what these cost. Worth it To me. That’s all that matters
they say it's not good for front main battery but i'm using it and they are great.. (covered in heat resistant foam/aluminum)... i have now this battery with a super cap and a 50amp lithium and another super cap in the back... insane!!!!
I've got one for my build and it's awesome. Pushing a sundown X12V3 on a stock electrical system and it holds Voltage real good
Nice!
What rms are you running to sub? Working on one xv3 12 on 3200rms so debating on one our two of these with my 370a alt. Thanks in advance.
@@doodcody15 I'm pushing 3000 watts 2 it. On stock electrical. If you have a 370 alt I think with one you should be good. My stock alt is probably a 120-130 and it works good.
Getting a x12v3 soon going to only be running around 1500 watts till I get a stronger amp. does it hold voltage even at full tilt ?
@@doodcody15370 amp alt seems a bit overkill for only 3000 watts
Volt readout on the clock is dope. I might need to try these batteries
Thanks man. Check my TH-cam short video where i go over install of it. These batteries are no joke man. Legit for real. Check out my last video I uploaded today for brutal demo and voltage stays at 14
Nicely done. I love a clean install that performs.
Thanks!
@@NextLevelCarAudio, how do they compare with your Limitless Lithium? Which will you choose to run in the future? I think for the price and the performance, they are giving Limitless a run for the money. Great for small car builds. I'd like to see several of them on a big system build. I think they would surprise people and hold their own.
I honestly am only going to be running these exclusively. Perform beyond expectations!
@@NextLevelCarAudio, that's what I figured. Thanks for your reply. I'm sold also.
I’ve definitely have been on the fence about this battery but now I’m sold
They are legit. No joke man
Sold also just bought 3 of them ..let's go Bass on fam
That is a great build 👏 the voltage ⚡️ its solid congrats man
Thanks! Heck yeah :)
Do those have low voltage and over charging protection?
Beautiful video, thx for sharing
Ayee tc gang 🤙🏼 running a sundown xv3d2 15" currently on sfb3kd
Nice!
Wow your voltage was pretty solid I might grab me one I'm running an taramps smart 3k and im Dropping into low 12s high 11s 😬 stock 90 amp alt with 1 yellow top optima agm and 2 lead acid batteries and 4 runs of 4gauge cca 😭😭 just ordered an 320 amp alt from autotech engineering and imma grab one of these too with some knukonceptz 1/0 ofc that should help out alot
Loved the video bro that setup is Beating 💪🏼💪🏼🔥🔥🔥🔥 and really clean
For sure man. You will be impressed!!!
Thanks for the info Bro. Your videos are VERY INFORMATIVE & DETAILED. many don't do that. I tip my hat and always thanks again. My question is so once your batteries are fully charged you connect the fuses for the AGM and their all connected right. So from Alternator to Under hood battery to Lithium bank to Amps right? Or between AGM & Lithium bank an isolator is placed. I didn't see one so i must ask.
Ok I'm doing it. Second time you got me to do an install.
lol. Hell yeah!
Nice car bro, and very impressive can't say anything more 👍
Thanks !
I have one of these wired before i added a UC 31 ultra cap and it did very well for not having aftermarket alternator or big 3. 3500 skar 3 10s
Nice
That's a really clean Scion!
Thanks!
Love jps gear,great vid bud
I've been on the fence about these for a minute now. Thinking about running one with sms220agm and xs5100agm to handle 8k
That’s some solid voltage 🔥🔥🔥the cyber 6k gets a bad rep, and it did fine with my XT6 powering 2 ZV6 12 1 ohm 200a ALT caps upfront
Hell yeah
I was on the verge of selling my lto6.0 for a limitless 6k… only cause il be upgrading for a zv5 but wasn’t sure if I should stick with the lto.60 or get the limitless 6k..
@@daviddaupert1693 that little battery works great with a big alt but I would go for the cyber series, just stay below 14.8v or get the superbeast headway cells
I’m looking at this battery but not sure if I need 2 or just 1 I got a 200amp powermaster alternator and a xs power d6500 under hood my amp is deaf bonce aak-4000.1
how many batteries do I need for a car with a down4sound jp33 and down4sound jp95?
How often do you need to charge them? I thought a high output alt would be all you need since it’s wired parallel. Am I wrong?
No your correct, he only needed to charge them before installing
So would a 400 amp alt be too much for this battery?
But y is it still clipping if voltage is staying steady?
Very clean and impressive install.Do you need a battery isolator when running agm with lithium(after they're charged) Appreciate you sharing your experience without the all the hating.
These Lithium from D4S do not need isolators! :)
Nope they are compatible with agm and regular batts so no isolator is needed..just charge'em and run'em...
@@cadillacdon6935 thanks for the info.
Yo7 need one if using acid batterybup front I was told by D4S..get solenoid an 0 gauge amp kit
Nice sounded very loud and your voltage is good.
what are the measurements of that box?
Love mine got it powering a salt 3k with an xv3 15 sub 300a alt
Hell yeah!
👀 Wow thats impressive
Can these be mix with other lithium Battery?
Thanks for sharing.
I need to cop one of those lithium batteries
They worth it for sure :)
I’m thinking about picking up a couple of these to go with an odyssey extreme AGM under hood and an ioxus ultra cap in the rear. I guess the lithium batteries will be fine mixed with the AGM and keeping a charge level that matches the AGM battery’s voltage?
Do you need to run a ground from the front of the vehicle to the back? Or can you use the existing ground from the back of the battery?
If the cars alternator keeps it charged and recharges it during normal use. Why can't it be charged with a normal battery charger?
I was wondering the same but im currently in the process of doing some research. When you find out let me know
I use battery tender, it has a lithium option too
You proved me wrong. I guess it just goes to shows everyone don’t know how to install them properly
I Gotta say, I’m impressed with these little guys lol. They keep voltage strong
Hey, I got a question that not too many people ask but would this help combat my variable voltage in my vehicle that has a smart alternator? I have a 2023 Volkswagen. Tiguan and it has smart alternator with variable voltage that goes anywhere from 12.5 when when driving and when I let off of the gas it goes up to 14.2.
Nicely done bro 🔥
Thanks!
Great install
Thanks!
Good video brother enjoying them I do
Very impressive
I was impressed myself lol
So its ok to clip the system as long as your voltage is steady? Hope all is well TIA
Would never of know that about them battery...was thinking about it my 15"avatar stu would love it....thks for info I would just tryed to plug it in....#teamd4sound allday
Hell yeah
Hey thanks for the video. I was curious what you have your sfb set to rms wise? Just to get an idea. I have one as well I’m looking to set it to around 6k rms, I also have a 240 mechman but currently have a Walmart agm. The plan is to get a pair of these AND upgrade the agm after. Also with these do you need to occasionally charge them with the charger? Just asking since you mentioned removing the fuses whenever you want to charge them.
No need to occasionally charge. I have mines set to max unclipped gain. So pushing 8k
Am DEFINITELY GETTING ONE THEM D4S LTO ,U JUST SOLD ONE TO ME LOL.NICE BUILD GREETINGS FROM THE CARIBBEAN.
Awesome! Hell yeah!
Can I run one of the D4S 6.0 with stock electrical on an amp Rockford T-1500BDCP? 2021 Honda Civic.
Love your videos man. Watching this set up. Made me run some grounds front to back and I have 4 of those d4s lto's going in my build. I have 300a singer alt up front and a oddessy agm up front. I will be running a wolfram 9k and a jp23/4 with 2 runs OFC 1/0 power and a run of 2/0 OFC ground front to back all Gp audio wire. Do you think 4 of those LTO's will be enough?
Enough for what? What amps are you running what ohm on subs and what wire 0, 2/0 CCA or copper?
Look up windy nation welding cable and use their 4/0 welding cable. It's equal in size to 2/0 oversized car audio cable much more durable and cheaper and their 4/0 is rated for 440amps. Whatever cable you run know how many amps it's rated for how many feet of cable and do 2 or 3 runs so it can support what your amps will draw.
So if i ran 6 of these ltos off with 350 amp alt i could expect 4000w from each one? Also i already have 6 xs power d7500s in the rear would it benefit me in anyway to add the LTO 6.0s with the rear batteries?
You can do right the 1st time or the 2nd time or the 3rd time or never get it right
DIY is great bcuz you get that satisfaction I BUILT THAT 😎 feeling
you can also be homeless cheaper 😬
Thanks Next Level as always great video / message & remember BASS in ya FACE 🚙📻🔈🔉🔊🔊🔊💨💨💨💨💨💨🎼🎵🎶😂
I'm getting a 240 watt amp alternator as soon as I can
Crazy
First a question, is that volt meter at the front battery or at the amp? Second, if that's the actual voltage at the amp those batteries aren't doing a darn thing for you as you will not access reserve power until you reach their resting voltage so either your volt meter is wrong or your rise is insane because at that voltage you are on all alternator and 0 battery assistance. Very clean setup though and love the DC subs!
Are those Shengquan cells inside of that?
Hey man, im running strapped D4S Jp23s on dual Sundown Audio x12v3s. Jbl club 400 for my highs, Big 3, 280amp Iraggi Alt and a 67 ah, cca =775 XX2 agm battery. How many of those D4S lithium batteries would you recommend? Thanks in advance 🤙🏽
I would do 2 honestly. Just to make sure your not trying to get to much out of too little. Hell yeah
@@NextLevelCarAudio thank you
Let the haters hate, thats their job, bro that is the perfect hatch, for subs up port back, it's gotta load great, hows the cabin gain ?, with that hatchback, also, whats the box tune , nice install 👌!!
Sounds great with the exception of the flex. The panoramic sunroof does not help. One option that should have been forgone if doing a loud build lol. Box is tuned to 35hz
now I would agree they are decent batteries another thing i would like to know is what were you rising to? cause if your wired down to 1 but rising to 3 or 4 ohms that amp isnt putting out that much power and can still clip because of the higher resting ohm
Well I was expecting to have a certain amount of rise. I always choose my electrical/reserve/lithium based off rated numbers, not what I am clamping after rise. That way there is a pillow of extra power on tap/reserve. In my case, a 8k @ 1ohm needs a bank that can support 8k watts. Hence my 2 LTO’s. If they are only clamping say 6k. Great. That’s why my voltage on all my builds are strong. I don’t try to get to much out of too little like I said in my video.
Nicely done,,, if you don't mind me asking what state do you live in
Washington. Olympia area
Dumb question but how often do u have to charge these
When i start my car, the voltage is always 14.5 to 14.6. The alternator is 120 amp. Is 14.5 or 14.6 not to much for these lithium batteries? I only need 2500 to 4000 wat max for my speakers and sub. I have a Varta 52ah battery, and for some strange reason no voltage drop problems. I have a dc audio 3.5k and a rf fosgate t600-4. Four mtx two way composets and two 12 inch 700 watt rms dayton audio 4 ohm dvc subs wired to 1 ohm. It sounds great and goes pretty loud. But i am thinking about building a spl or sqpl box with two 12 inch 1500 watt rms spl drivers. Now the voltage always stays above 14.1, but i think i need a lithium battery before upgrading the subwoofer, but also not want to turn my car in a torch😅
These batteries, tho can handle it…. Were designed for lower voltages (high 13’s/low 14’s.) mid 14’s is pretty high and may shorten the life of them
Why do they need a lithium specific charger when the alternator will "recharge" them not knowing the difference. Doesn't make sense at all from an electrical point of view
Because connecting a load to the alternator that’s not charged is never a good idea and puts a ton of stress on it. Plus, connecting an uncharged lithium to a fully charged AGM is asking for a firework show. It’s just the right thing to do.
I was looking at getting a JP40 but the site states you can't use it with any other battery. That shit confuses me and aren't these just a smaller version? Any advice anyone? Am I totally wrong about the JP40 model or the LTO 6 model?
LTO 6 can be used with any battery chemistry as per the description.
Do you have both lithium 6.0 connected directly to your agm battery or you using a battery isolator?
No isolator. That’s whats great about these if you look at the manufactures specs on the D4S website. If can run them inline with anything. No problems at all
Question ❓. Is it better to run battery and ground directly from the alternator to the amps bypassed the battery (s) or go from the alternator to the battery then AMPS? I ask because sometimes I see vids power and ground going to a fuse block then straight to the amp or AMPS or vise versa.
It’s honestly preference. Everything is connected anyway. If have the big -3 done, then your good to go either way
What did you mount yours with? Im installing it in my trunk and i have no idea how to mount it. Thanks in advance.
Just pressure mounted with small L brackets from Home Depot
where can I get those nice blue wires you got?
Haters are your motivators 👍🏾🎶
I live in canada and run 1 d4s lto inline with a xspower s925 and was wondering would a d925 be more ore less beneficial for starting in COLD weather and know the d925 will be better for discharge rate. Any advice is greatly appreciated 🙏
Honestly, either way you should be fine. Both solid batteries.
@NextLevelCarAudio - Let's say i have the engine off and i have the lithium charger plugged in could I have it that way and play for a 12 hour period?
Probably not. The chargers are only like 8 amp or 25 amp. Depending on your setup, your amp probably draws at least 5 times that much and if a bigger amp, probably 10 times more.
Got a question, I got the battery haven’t hooked up yet I didn’t get the lithium charger, can it just charge up with my alt? Got a auto tech 320
Not a good idea, the voltage differential will cause potential damage.
I have these and let my car sit for a week and a half about and had to have it boosted. I believe the lithium is draining my agm. I usually start it up everyday and have no problems. Would it be wise for isolator or battery delete?
Hmmm. Not supposed to need an isolator. I’ve never had an issue with these draining my AGM. Isolator would fix the issue tho
Did you install and battery isolator? I was told these don’t have to have a isolator between this an a agm
No isolator needed.
Can you charge the lithium and the AGM at 14.8ish? Id like to do a similar setup but add a resistor on the sense wire to up voltage a bit.
That’s a little too high for the LTO’s I think. Not sure tho.
Nice system 👍👍
Thanks!
Yep you were the guy that has officially helped me make my mind up,putting two of them in , running two Team v3 fi subs on two Rockford bdcp 2500.1.should be nice.Agm up front with isolator and 250 alt power bastard....Can I get rid of my isolator though ???? Help.....
Awesome! Yep, these don’t require isolators
Thank you
Damn your voltage recharges fast.
I was honestly surprised. These are phenomenal lithiums
Thats what's makes lithium batteries sooo special. There discharge and recharge rate is absolutely phenomenal
I'm still running xs agms. I need to grab one of these lithiums
They are cheap right now. $100 off compared to last year
If you had to go with a few of these vs cyber 12k what would be your choice? I’m debating between the two. If the 12k ever comes back in stock…
My hummer Build has 2 cyber 12k’s. 3 of these would be on par with that, 4 of these would destroy the 2 cybers. I know because I have 2 in my hummer
@@NextLevelCarAudio Wow, thought it’d take at least 6 to match up to just one. I think you’ve made up my mind, D4S it is. Much appreciated.
Just make sure you have a strong under hood battery. These are designed to be supplemental batteries. Not main/starting batteries. But work awesome with Under hood AGM’s. No isolators needed
@@NextLevelCarAudio I have a Yellow optima under the hood and a 375 farad ioxus supercap in the back. Currently stock alt. I’ve tried a 390 amp gp alternator and it fried twice within a matter of weeks for some reason. Meanwhile stock is fine just weak.
Something else to note, these D4S batteries do depend greatly on alternator output. If your running stick alt you are not going to get out of them what a high output alt would give you.
Do they get warm? I'll be hooking one up to a taramp 3k watt amp and a 2k watt 4 channel watt. With a 370 amp alternator.
Not at all :)
I have the exact same engine, the 2.5L and I was wondering where did you put the 2 grounds thats going to the engine block to the back to the lithium’s . You never showed it in your videos. You only showed the the battery negative going to to engine, and body of the car and also the alternator negative going straight back to the lithium.
They went to a negative rear distro block that is shared with rear battery negative and negative amp input.
@@NextLevelCarAudio Which is coming straight from the engine block right? I know you got one for sure going from Alternator negative case to distro block. And the other 2 negative are off the engine right. Im sorry asking again . Im just confused about the other 2 grounds that you have running from front to back. You didn’t show that part. You only showed the alternator case ground going straight to the distro block.
Sorry, yes. From block to rear. Sorry
Is your 250 alt pcm controlled at factory voltage or did u change it
Nope, all factory
What do you use for a ground?
What would I get out these lto 6.o batteries with a 408 amp alternator?
5k
Built a 32ah headway bank about a year ago still running good but not as good as the first day I built it. How comparable are these in terms of power if you know?
I have not personally ran headway so can’t say from personal experience. Would be fun to run side by side tests of all the lithium out there to see how they all compare with each other
@@NextLevelCarAudio Definitely. As comparing lithium batteries is confusing makes it harder to choose the best for an application. Would have went with the 6.0 last year myself but at the time there was little testing and comparisons online. Many of my questions on the product went unanswered from various people.
That’s true. Not many real world tests on them. So felt I needed to make this video
Hey I have a question for you. I bought a SX POWER D3400 battery for my Acura TL 3.2L . Will this battery work in my car. Please let me know. Thanks brother.
Xspower D3400
Where can I pick up some of those fans , I got those batteries love em
Search Amazon for inline bilge fans. Cheapest option right there
Is a d3400 and a Lto battery enough juice for a skv2 3500 at .5 with a js 320 alternator
That’s a pretty serious alternator, so you should be okay as long as it puts out decent amperage at idle.
Nice setup, I was thinking about getting a 2nd battery for my system when I install it. I was gonna change my stock battery to a xs agm with a 320A alt. My amp is a 2k. Can one of those lto be ok in parallel with my agm or should I jus get a smaller agm 2nd battery? Was thinking maybe with a 320A alternator and a xs power 3400 I would be ok. Or should I get a smaller agm you think? Thanks in advance
Yes you could run it parallel with agm no problem
@Kel’s Life cool I definitely wanna upgrade my stock battery and was thinking of either getting a small agm or maybe the little lto 6.0 lithium. Jus didn't know if it could be done mixing agm and lithium.
I would do a D3400 under the hood with the lto 6.0 in the back and if you currently have agms for the back already then I would wire them all in parallel. That would support your 2k. A high output alternator and the big 3 under the hood would also be super beneficial in unison with everything to really show you what the lto 6.0 can do
@Kel’s Life hey what's up do you think 1 run of 0g from my agm to the D4S LTO would be enough. Was wondering why some people run 2 runs of 0g to the back is it cuse there amp needs to 0g power inputs?
I didn't get this battery, but I got a XS power S5 LTO to power my entire car and system. I have a singer 240 amp 14.8v alternator. I have a taramps smart 3 bass amp and a pair of Resilient sound 12 golds. Big four done all 1/0 gauge wire. The car is a 2005 Honda accord four-cylinder and at full tilt my voltage goes down to 13.8! Basically, we have almost the same set up except mine is half the power. How am I dropping 1 full volt and you're barely dropping any?
Not sure man. Your setup sounds legit. These D4S batteries are the real deal tho
@@NextLevelCarAudio They can't be better than the XS Power lithium's, probably on par with them though. Although S5 put out a little bit more power and cost more.
How many batteries are you running in your set up? You have an 8k amp right?
Yep, running 2 D4S 6.0’s in the rear and a xs3400 under hood. Yes 8k amp
@@NextLevelCarAudio yeah that might explain it. You have three batteries. What do you charge your lithium's with? Does it have to be lithium titanate specific charger?
Id like to see how u wired the lto into your system. I have 2 of them as well and im stuck
Just in parallel with everything else
ive got a 240 amp js alt, an xpower agm, one d4s lto, with 1/0 copper runs, big 5, etc, running a taramps smart3bass, pushing 2 u series 12s.. im installing now..
will i be alright with one lto, or should i add a second.. and if i had 2, would i have enough power to support a smart5kbass??
from what im seeing from your build, i should be fine, and upgrading to a 5k, is within reach, if i have 2 ltos...
One will be perfect for a 3k, 2 would be more than enough for the 5k. You won’t be disappointed
Hey man I had a problem with retaining the steering wheel controls in this car. I have the right adapter. If you did this can you let me know how. I'd appreciate it
Yeah They work just fine for me. My video comes out Friday at 11am pst. I go over everything in there.
I have one nvx audio xad 16 8000w with a 370 amp alternator two lto 6.0 my starting Voltage is 14.7 with no drop
Wow! Hell yeah
I just need someone to do a dyno on the nvx xad 16 8000w
It’s been over nine months now since I’ve been running them at 14.7 but thanks for the head up
Cheap little balancer?…. There is always someone who wants to be a hater. No matter what the subject content, or how good something performs.
Yesterday I turned down my voltage to 14 just in case
I have two in my avalanche with 2 agm 140 ah with a 370 amp alternator…my question is I didn’t do a ground from my alternator but I have 2 frame grounds but my voltage still drops significantly…twisted sounds 6.5k on my subs and my subs are at 1ohm
Direct run from neg alt stud or mount is instrumental in maintaining proper voltage. At least in my case.
@@NextLevelCarAudio will be doing it 2 runs when I put everything back together
Hell yeah
Very nice I like💪🏿👍🏿
Thanks!
Can you nix these with the limitless lithium batterys?
Some of them you can, I’d double check with D4S tho
Hey if I wanted to upgrade my electrical can I add a second battery before replacing my under the hood battery.
Yes! Make sure they are compatible. If you get these, then you can add them to any battery
@@NextLevelCarAudio are agms compatible with regular lead acid batteries
With isolators, yes
I've got two of those and of these and they r the s*** never drop below 14.2 ever
Hell yeah! If I don’t touch clipping. My voltage meter does not even drop lol. Legit
Is it the alternator or battery
I’d say a combination of everything. Alt, LTO, under hood AGM, solid runs of 1/0 front rear, and gains set properly.
I can vouch for that. I have 2 of them
I'm going to upgrade to a 5k amp currently have a 250 mechman and D3400 under the hood of my Yukon, do you think an LTO 6 would be a better choice over another D3400?
5k would honestly be pushing it, since with a 250 amp alt you can expect 4k watt support from it. 2 would be best. And you would never have to worry about voltage drop at full tilt ever again.
@@NextLevelCarAudio Thank you! Yea I have to say that 0.1v drop also turned me into a believer. Thanks for the awesome and very informative content!
Thanks :)