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  • @kucingsushi
    @kucingsushi  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +107

    I might've accidently covered the skill points.. thank you for the ones who reminded me! 🥺much luv

  • @DrickRT
    @DrickRT 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +490

    Sunday teams having either Robin or Sparkle like they're the angel and devil on his shoulders

    • @edgieststalker8141
      @edgieststalker8141 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

      *Sunday wondering if he should follow the stellaron hunters*
      Angel Robin: Don't do it, brother! I know you can do better!
      Demon Sparkle: Do it, little pigeon! Or are you just a cowardly chicken that doesn't want to leave his home?

    • @imdani4997
      @imdani4997 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      LMAO FR

    • @AmbroseVermillion
      @AmbroseVermillion 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@edgieststalker8141He’ll compromise and join the Astral Express. Apparently he’s going to help them during Amphoreus

  • @mejkun8571
    @mejkun8571 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +469

    I love the fact that most of Sunday's best teams includes Robin

    • @bromaster9017
      @bromaster9017 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

      Lol Robin broken character. Perhaps this is the best support for hypercarry. So it doesn't matter whether Sunday is on the team or Sparkle. Robin should be there anyway, she's in charge here

    • @Sou_uma_planta
      @Sou_uma_planta 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      sparkle would be better, it has a massive damage buff than the robin and allows the dps to hit more times too

    • @mercibeaucoup49
      @mercibeaucoup49 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      ​@@Sou_uma_planta nah bro, I bet you play game on TH-cam, robin buff just more impressive than sparkle, and robin allow dps to wear speed boot and still have 5000-6000 ATK, if sparkle is better then people already use her more, but the fact that no meta team need her

    • @zenrailgun90
      @zenrailgun90 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@mercibeaucoup49 well the meta right now is break so yeah, rm and hmc is there on top spot. Robin can be put anywhere (but preferably fua team) due to buff and immediately turn from her ult. For me sparkel belong to cr/cdm dps like dangil or acheron (if your acheron e2 😂)

    • @mercibeaucoup49
      @mercibeaucoup49 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @zenrailgun90 robin actually the best option for all crit value dps so I don't think sparkle have any important role in the meta, sparkle doesn't pair good with robin so won't help much either, just a standard banner support in disguise

  • @Akatosh153
    @Akatosh153 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +240

    Should definitely try the Jingliu run again after V3 update. The amount of times you couldn't ult because of that tiny bit of ult that you didn't have is crazy. But thankfully it got buffed

    • @kucingsushi
      @kucingsushi  17 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

      IKR 😭😭
      Finally someone also noticed

    • @xian_n2
      @xian_n2 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      may i ask what's the v3 update you mentioned?

    • @Shin-gn7ng
      @Shin-gn7ng 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@xian_n2it’s the beta V3, it updated Sunday & fugue’s kits
      In v3, Sunday’s ult got a trace that ups his ult’s energy boost from 20% to 40 energy at minimum if the 20% energy restores less than 40 energy

  • @VeroGDLK
    @VeroGDLK 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +73

    good showcase :) i would just try not to cover the skill points next time lol

  • @Chill_Archon
    @Chill_Archon 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I can only imagine if that IL is S2 then damn that's good
    Edit: I meant E2

  • @penguinsavior7346
    @penguinsavior7346 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    Move the name so I can see the skill points, good showcase

  • @esmi1495
    @esmi1495 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    1:26
    Bruh even Sunday can't save her from Jingliu moments

    • @shinidragon7775
      @shinidragon7775 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm confused. What are you even referring to?

    • @esmi1495
      @esmi1495 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      @shinidragon7775 I'm so done with that JL ALWAYS leaves how hp enemis which forces you to waste her stacks or which is even worse her ult to end them. It's so annoying

    • @jaysoncayetano2943
      @jaysoncayetano2943 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      7:22 this one is also a Jingliu moment

    • @esmi1495
      @esmi1495 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@jaysoncayetano2943she just can't without Jingliu moments. No matter what team you run, no matter 2hat enemies are, she always leaves an enemy at low hp like she does it intentionally to annoy

    • @RandomPerson-sh9tu
      @RandomPerson-sh9tu 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@shinidragon7775 When enemies are literally at, like, 1hp, and you have to waste an ult or enhanced skill to kill them, look at the timestamp, you can't even see their health bar they're so low

  • @sonixx_senpai9044
    @sonixx_senpai9044 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    12:34 Just want to know is sunday a sp positive, as i can see if you use skill it doesn't deduct skill point

    • @javalidecristal9891
      @javalidecristal9891 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      Old sunday was something around -0.5 SP per action since he had a passive to not spend SP every other turn, with his light cone he would be slightly SP positive. The new sunday is completely SP neutral as long as you keep 100% up-time on his ult and since his LC didn't change he becomes more SP positive than sparkle.

    • @Guilherme_Oliveira_
      @Guilherme_Oliveira_ 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@javalidecristal9891If I put Sunday's light cone on Sparkle will she be more sp positive? (Sorry for the english)

    • @jmcMateo
      @jmcMateo 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Guilherme_Oliveira_could also use bronya cone for sparkle

    • @javalidecristal9891
      @javalidecristal9891 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@Guilherme_Oliveira_ yes she would, Sunday's LC rivals Bronya's in versatility, the only thing that makes sunday a better user of his LC than sparkle is that the damage bonus and the SP recovery the LC gives can't be activated by Sparkle's ultimate. In the same note, Sunday is the only other character that comes close to being able to use Sparkle's LC, since he's the only harmony character that can remain sp neutral/positive without throwing away his gameplan, in this case the only drawback is that Sparkle's LC broken as hell passive gets shut down every 3 turns then gets turned back on on his next turn.

    • @sonixx_senpai9044
      @sonixx_senpai9044 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@javalidecristal9891 thanks for the info...so we can say Sunday is buffed version of bronya.

  • @alnonegiz-j3j
    @alnonegiz-j3j 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    As Dhil main, it is a dilemma to gacha Sunday. Maybe replace Luocha with Aventurine. For E0 Dhil and no sign lc, it can be tough challenge for sp management. In general, sparkle is unmovable and must have for dhil.

    • @kucingsushi
      @kucingsushi  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That last sentence is so true fr

    • @HRavenfolks
      @HRavenfolks 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Sunday is meant for future-proofing upcoming character 3.0+, sadly. So, if you currently don't have viable DPS or Support to clear content, I'd suggest you pull for someone else on the meantime. But, if you are content to wait for 3.0, he'll be busted with upcoming Summoner archetype characters.

  • @IkitheStiki
    @IkitheStiki 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Now do this again, after the v3 changes !!

  • @mostafaelnaggar4235
    @mostafaelnaggar4235 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    You did IL dirty by putting him in a very suboptimal team

    • @aryosheva8204
      @aryosheva8204 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      even worse if he put robin instead of sparkle. you think this game gave you infinite sp?

    • @jaysoncayetano2943
      @jaysoncayetano2943 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      only Loucha

    • @mostafaelnaggar4235
      @mostafaelnaggar4235 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@jaysoncayetano2943 he should replace sparkle with robin

    • @mostafaelnaggar4235
      @mostafaelnaggar4235 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @aryosheva8204 he doesn't need to do E3BA every turn there was someone who posted that same team and did this exact stage in 2 cycles

    • @jaysoncayetano2943
      @jaysoncayetano2943 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@mostafaelnaggar4235 SP negative and and healing on attack of Loucha can't be use by Sunday and Robin, and Robin won't generate SP since she always use skills to up her ult fast she also doesn't generate SP when in ult...
      I guess you're planning on only using level 1 IL basic attack lol

  • @horus777
    @horus777 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Can you please try a team combination of Jingliu, Sunday, Bronya/Sparkle and any sustain ?
    I am confused to either go for sunday or fugue, as the upcoming new playstyle is of servants and the MC path will also change in the future so substitute hyperbreak character is also needed.
    I would really appreciate it 🥺
    Thanks

    • @Glizzyman
      @Glizzyman 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Imo you don't need fugue, she's not a crazy boost for anyone but boothill and acheron somewhat while Sunday is a supp so you really don't want to skip on him.
      He fits with many old characters, and will work with the new summon meta and according to leaks, with the fate collab aswell

    • @andrealcenenrico3751
      @andrealcenenrico3751 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If you want to have a two break team, go for fugue. however, sunday might be foreshadowing what might to come in 3.0, and you need him to maximize your team comp.
      Your choice is:
      1.Go for fugue on a double break team, Super break has already proven itself as a broken playstyle
      2.Invest on 3.0 by pulling on a unit with unique mechanic.
      Note: If you are pulling sunday for jingliu, No it's not worth-it to invest on the standard hypercarry atm. Bronya/Sparkle and robin is the composition if you really want to maximize jingliu

    • @horus777
      @horus777 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@andrealcenenrico3751 Thanks !
      Cleared a lot of the fog

    • @horus777
      @horus777 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Glizzyman yes ... considering the future characters will go for Sunday, only with good pull reserves ...thanks man

  • @LeeHwin
    @LeeHwin 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Can you try IL Sunday without Sparkle?

  • @Kim_Imyoung
    @Kim_Imyoung 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Wow thanks for not letting use see the skill point management just to put Jingliu/DHIL and Robin like we couldn't tell ☺

    • @Kim_Imyoung
      @Kim_Imyoung 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nvm you already addressed it

  • @Razorrrrrrrrrrrr
    @Razorrrrrrrrrrrr 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    As a ftp e3 Dan heng user, seeing him only have 2 enhance skills when using his burst is horrific , i am not ok

    • @three_wood_sen
      @three_wood_sen 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      wdym by ftp? who asked this

  • @komgoo4974
    @komgoo4974 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I want to see Sunday Bronya so bad like 6 turns 0 cycle yes plzzz. But it’s prolly only doable with like a high speed Gallagher/luocha and both of them s1

  • @wein1511
    @wein1511 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Still not a dedicated support for Jingliu. I mean, her kit revolves around hp manipulation, and sunday just ain't an hp manipulation support. Still room for growth when a dedicated hp manipulation support arrives. If ever, though.

  • @nykout
    @nykout 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Would Sunday be good for Seele or is Bronya better?

    • @theghastlygamerz999
      @theghastlygamerz999 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      for most teams that can use Bronya, Sunday will be better... the only exception i can have for this is you're using an E2 Firefly with an E2 Bronya with eagle set and some dance dance dance LC... because at that point, Bronya's talent is actually getting some use while the E2 just makes it easier to fit turns inside Firefly's ULT state. basically you'd be able to fit up 3 Bronya turns inside the 142.85 AV duration of Firefly's ULT which makes firefly take 6 to 7 turns + up to 3x Extra turns when FF breaks.
      but yeah other than that... Sunday works better in most situations i can think of especially seele since she's extremely SP hungry that even sparkle would be a better choice which also makes Sunday the best one since he's a 100% advance forward character that has slightly better SP consumption/economy than Sparkle.

    • @nykout
      @nykout 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @theghastlygamerz999 Thanks so much for the detailed answer!! I will really consider pulling Sunday then, but there are so many cool chatacters and only so many jades (⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠_⁠_⁠_⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠-̩̩̩⁠)

  • @jaysoncayetano2943
    @jaysoncayetano2943 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I would use Huohuo on that JL run for more energy and for constant heal every turn

  • @salamence1218
    @salamence1218 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Does sparkle skill and Sunday ult crit dmg boost stacks?

  • @owowonn
    @owowonn 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    this is such bad comparison. There’s tons of showcases out there showing E0S0 dhil with sunday and robin clearing at 1 cycle at most, he lost so much cycle here since u used sparkle instead of robin.

    • @RykeDiamond
      @RykeDiamond 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But why do you want to see the same comp that you already know is good? They have to test everything

    • @owowonn
      @owowonn 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @ well the title is called “damage comparison” so you gotta maximize and profit from everything you have at disposal, so why limit danheng’s supports when you can use robin instead? it’s not a fair comparison if only jingliu gets to use her when danheng can literally do it as well. It’s not about knowing the team comp is already good lol

    • @Greennaris_Rater
      @Greennaris_Rater 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I keep finding these comments about using Robin with DHIL, even some that talk about Robin being better for e2 DHIL than e0..... I just have a question for you. Where the f*** are you getting sp with that setup??? How is that supposed to work, like, ever?

    • @shariqueraza4409
      @shariqueraza4409 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Greennaris_Rater are u stupid ? My guy Robin advances everyone so the other characters besides Robin and dhil generate sp .

  • @GODCHAMA
    @GODCHAMA 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The enemies feel weak bro

  • @Dante_ainda_no_inferno
    @Dante_ainda_no_inferno 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jingyuan & Sunday vs topaz & Sunday !

  • @SshhhX7
    @SshhhX7 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can run mono imaginary when I pull him

  • @otakuanimemanga1919
    @otakuanimemanga1919 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    C0 all of them?
    I want to use Sunday with Dan Heng.

  • @linkoln579521
    @linkoln579521 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I wholeheartedly believe that if you need two buffers to make a single character good, maybe it's not that good, but then again someone can gon miles for their waifu/husbando, and it's okay

    • @Amariandkylene
      @Amariandkylene 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Tbh a lot of characters use multiple buffers it’s not even funny

    • @Bakatora04
      @Bakatora04 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      It is called hypercarry teams some characters fall into that team archetype.

    • @flutterbymoons
      @flutterbymoons 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      that's what hypercarry means, and most of hsr teams uses 2 buffers. and if you're gonna say break teams sucks for using 2 buffers well then that's on you 💀

    • @esmi1495
      @esmi1495 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@linkoln579521 you have 4 slots in team for a reason 💀
      You can run 2 dps+buff/debuff+sustain or 1 dps+2buff/debuff+sustain
      This is how game works, good morning

  • @fwi8033
    @fwi8033 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Give luocha sunday’s set for some extra crit

  • @ss45678
    @ss45678 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Wouldn't huo huo be a better option here?

    • @sutkonos
      @sutkonos 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      she can't provide skill points for the team, but after v3 changes she might work on jingliu + sunday comps

    • @sgnomiya.odidi1362
      @sgnomiya.odidi1362 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      No if ur enemies is swarm

    • @Geese3
      @Geese3 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup, her passive burst healing is better for jingliu than it being only occasional, and she'll only need to use it every 2nd turn she gets, or every turn at the highest difficulties, but even then jingliu's best open supports, pela and ruan mei can both be fairly SP possitive, if sunday is like bronya where he's sp neutral, if you can keep jingliu in her empowered state, SP issues are gone.

    • @epicgamer5620
      @epicgamer5620 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@sutkonos it's not a might its a "most definitely " after the changes sunday is more sp positive than sparkle(he butchered e6 sparkle at e0 s1) so you most definitely can I have seen people run il with suday robin and huo huo

    • @sutkonos
      @sutkonos 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@epicgamer5620 I'm assuming e0s0 everyone

  • @icyliu1.4
    @icyliu1.4 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Jingliu + Sunday vs. Dan. IL + Sunday ❌
    Jingyuan + Sunday ✔️

  • @noctisraizel6498
    @noctisraizel6498 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is this E0S1 Sunday? or just E0?

  • @nikolasone1148
    @nikolasone1148 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So do i need to have sparkle be the first one to buff? Does dan heng still keep the sparkle buffs after sundays advance?

    • @epicgamer5620
      @epicgamer5620 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The videos you saw are probably v3 videos

  • @Sundaymybeloved1011
    @Sundaymybeloved1011 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What should i replace if i dont have robin? Dont have sparkle either..

  • @Niv_Touhou
    @Niv_Touhou 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    No, you should use Sunday + Robin in DHIL team after V3

  • @screamaskzxyers
    @screamaskzxyers 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    do you have the V3 update for this ?

  • @inari1424
    @inari1424 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love Sunday.

    • @kucingsushi
      @kucingsushi  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Me too 😭

    • @inari1424
      @inari1424 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kucingsushi yey :D

  • @heartlove_mamondesu1529
    @heartlove_mamondesu1529 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can we play Sunday+Danheng without Hanabi?

    • @berryl1766
      @berryl1766 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      As long your other two chara is able to sp positive then sure you can go with that.

    • @ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou
      @ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      After V3 , if you get his Lightcone Sunday becomes sp positive, I think you can get away with not having his LC if your two other teammates are sp positive.

    • @justblue576
      @justblue576 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      With his lc Robin become more viable

  • @handrel1
    @handrel1 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I 3 cycled this bug during 1.6 using Seele now idk if i can kill this thing in 8 cycles.

  • @noice9193
    @noice9193 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Doesn’t sparkles buff last until the characters next turn so isn’t it being wasted by having another character advance their turn?

    • @blazikenfury8852
      @blazikenfury8852 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      It lasts till the beginning of next turn, in short if you advance someone with sparkle, they do their attack... Their turn ends. Now after that while your enemies and other characters are acting, if you cast an ultimate or follow up, it will also be buffed until their next turn happens. Another action forward doesn't affect this.

  • @RinHimeevelyn
    @RinHimeevelyn 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder why did you mess up so many Imbibitor ULTS, you might ult before 3EBA, not after, if you do after, you waste a lot of damage from 3EBA.

  • @cakecherry6232
    @cakecherry6232 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dan Hen very good❤❤❤

  • @krix_ten
    @krix_ten 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can anyone tell me how to speed tune that DHIL, Sunday and Sparkle???

  • @shinsuke2158
    @shinsuke2158 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can sunday replace sparkle and tigyun 4 star for dan feng

    • @kucingsushi
      @kucingsushi  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In terms of damage, it's possible. But sparkle herself has her own spot in most dan feng team, but it's just me maybe 👍

  • @boothefrogert
    @boothefrogert 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He’s not out yet is he?

    • @kucingsushi
      @kucingsushi  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not yet, u've saved enough already 😆

  • @lazylix856
    @lazylix856 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    А зачем ты с Даней взял искорку, а не зазу?

    • @esmi1495
      @esmi1495 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@lazylix856 затем, что там v1 версия Сандэя, которая на е0н1 сп нейтральна (тратит 1 од и восстанавливает 1 од и в сумме 0 од).
      Зарянка, как мы знаем, од не генерирует. А в этом отряде вынуждена спамить ешкой, тк частота атак Дани оставляет желать лучшего.
      В итоге бедному Лоче приходилось бы делать по 4 хода в цикл, чтобы обеспечить ОДНУ усиленную базу Дани. Ну не отстой?
      Обновленная версия Сандэя должна уже работать лучше

    • @lazylix856
      @lazylix856 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @esmi1495 а лоча зачем, если можно взять Галлахера?

    • @lazylix856
      @lazylix856 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @esmi1495 если ты возьмёшь в эту пачку Галлахера с равноценным обменом, то на зазе можно ешку повторно не нажимать

    • @esmi1495
      @esmi1495 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@lazylix856 даже если берется Галлахер, там всё равно было бы адски душно по од, тк Сандэй не генерировал од, Заза тоже раз в сто лет один од выдавала бы, Даня их только ел. Галахеру бы приходилось делать 3 хода перед каждым ходом Дани за исключением моментов, когда тот ультует. Галлахер, конечно, хорошая батарейка, но не настолько.

    • @lazylix856
      @lazylix856 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @esmi1495 проблема v1

  • @matrioxraven1929
    @matrioxraven1929 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    4:10 como? Porque? No era que le pegabam menos?

  • @Jahhax
    @Jahhax 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ngl, a lot of wasted movement on Jingliu play

  • @chescaaldea2449
    @chescaaldea2449 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    2 cycle diff is crazy. Midlunae😢

    • @kucingsushi
      @kucingsushi  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      IKR 😢, I want him, hope you will get him too luv

    • @cryophoenix6114
      @cryophoenix6114 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

      This is V1 Sunday. With V3, DHIL and Sunday can now do one cycles. And Sparkle is no longer DHIL's bis support. It's just Sunday+Robin combo now.

    • @esmi1495
      @esmi1495 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Don't act like JL's 4 cycles isn't also mid af. Especially with Robin lmao.
      And let's ignore both support's CC in DHIL run. Both are equally mid, not only dhil

    • @discreaminant
      @discreaminant 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      More like Robin diff lol ur Dhil is still strong 😄

    • @noice9193
      @noice9193 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠robin and Sunday can support his sp consumption?