I always thought that Hell was the place where Satan and the other demons would be punished forever, and not their home? Isn't Earth technically Satan's domain or whatever too? 🤔
@@atheistjake I think the question for the above commenter is how did the demons get out of Hell in the first place? With the follow up, if I go to Hell, can I just leave whenever I want too? I just couldn't tell if he was joking because of that emoji.
I know, right? I couldn't believe it when I first saw the video, he's exactly the same and also so much different at the same time lmao. Thanks so much for watching my video! :D
hurry, get this pastor to a medical facility to we can standardize his disease cancelling abilities. as Godawful Movies put it, if they can heal and they dont spend the REST OF THE LIVES healing those that medicine cant then they are EVIL
"You must now and forevermore wear a safety belt when driving." "Meh. OK." You must now wear a mask in public and limit gatherings - just temporarily until this flu subsides." "Freedom!!!"
@@atheistjake This one is surprising how personal they take it. ive been out to my parents in some way for 7 years and they still think i just need to fall back in line and are passive aggressive when they try to force their religion on others. example: i first came out atheist to my mom when i asked her to stop teaching my young daughter that she HAD to fold her hands and say the words of prayer before meals. asked them to stop, did for 7 years, but just this last weekend they were again trying to tell her that she HAD to pray before meals, nothing about this is our tradition and in someone else's house you respect them quietly when they say their prayer, no SHE HAD TO PARTICIPATE. so even casual catholics are REALLY bad at accepting the position of others as a legitimate existence.
Hi Jake. Fellow ex-Pentecostal here. Love your presentations. Well done for escaping so young. Took me way too long. I remember feeling hyper-vigilant about persecution and looked for it everywhere. This guy doesn't surprise me although, like you, I had to calm down after hearing him. Christians do cherry pick their scriptures don't they! I used to do it and it always bothered me. The high level of cognitive dissonance that the Bible creates is off the scale!
Hey, thank you so much! They're definitely good at selectively reading haha, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that entire video was nuts. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts! :)
@@atheistjake Well, that's the great thing about the Bible, isn't it? It was written by so many different people over such a long time span with so many different viewpoints and messages, there is just something for everybody in there! Seriously, though: It was only after reading books by scholars like Bart Ehrman that I realized that the Bible does not in fact have one single harmonious messages, but is a loose collection of writings from different sources with different viewpoints and different agendas. It was quite the eye-opener (for a former JW like myself).
Just found this video. From Washington, as well. I grew up in the Kelso/Longview area and living in Kent, now. I'm horrified that a church here in Washington is so backward that it would continue to have weekly super spreader events and be so blatantly defiant. Ugh! BTW... I subscribed immediately. Digging the pre-shower hair. :D
Yeah, I was stunned to see so many people I recognized from my time in Christianity just willingly following their pastor in dismissing health and safety guidelines in favor of their own beliefs. Every time I see a "Fuck Inslee" sticker on a bumper around here, I can't help but think about how selfish that person is. Thanks so much for watching my video and sharing too! I'm glad you approve of my lazy hair day haha :P
*UPDATE:* Due to a family health emergency, my interview and livestream with Neil the 604 Atheist has been rescheduled to *April 22nd* . I'll keep you all updated via Twitter as things progress!
I appreciate the kind words! Although to clarify, it was a member of Neil's family who was in the hospital. I'm more than happy to adjust my schedule as much as necessary for him. :)
I used to go to the Exchange, the group he led that became this church. I left when there was some suspicious stuff going on in the group leadership. A husband and wife were leaders and they suddenly disappeared from leadership. Russell told me he didn't know what had happened. I don't believe his claims one bit! He kicked me out of the church because I was asking too many questions
Found this video through Friendly Atheist blog. If it's any consolation it's the same here in Europe with Christians whining about not being able to go to church. They really cannot deal with being under the same restrictions as others. They always want to be the privileged special ones.
Thanks for checking out my little corner of TH-cam! I was so surprised when Hemant decided to write an article about the story and include my video. Sorry you're dealing with this same nonsense on your side of the planet, maybe someday they'll get the picture? Haha
@Leo Link WTF? Seriously what ever happened to praying and serving God in the confines of your home? But no, I get it, because as a Christian, this is that cult mentality I've been critical of since I was 16.(I'm 32.) It's a way to keep the masses in line, and it bugs me...
"The plague discriminates not between a brothel and a church, nor does it discriminate between a serf and a king. All it sees is prey-- and it's *always* on the hunt." ~a lil thing i came up with
Hey! TH-cam suggested one of your videos yesterday and I subscribed because I love watching calm, level headed people expressing themselves. Your vibe reminds me of Sam Harris, though not quite as detached (which is a good thing). And.... I don't mean to brag.... but... since I subscribed after watching your deconversion video, I was already part of the 1%... :D :D Anyway, I'm looking forward to more great content! Keep it up!
Aww, this made my whole day! Thank you so much for your support, it's really encouraging to read :) Haha, you have every right to brag. Thanks for being part of the 1% from the very beginning! I can't wait to see what happens with this channel in the future :D
These preacher's rhetoric can essentially be summed up as: "I'm literally, not figuratively, too mentally dimineshed to understand how gathering spreads disease. Or that everyone has been shut down, not just churches"
some assuredly don't understand, but i think the typical preacher is more intelligent than we all like to assume, they are just reallly disingenuous, some of them are even apathetic atheist conmen. they are in teh church business because theyve seen that when you tie it to faith people are easy to manipulate. most of those preacher i described are in it for the money and fame only, they will do WHATEVER talking points to keep them in power. just look at Jim Bakker. but even the convinced theists are looking for anyway for them to get special privileges to not follow another law. example the churches organizations being exempt from the birth control mandate a few years ago. they didnt have to pay just had to sign a form saying they wont for legal reasons so someone else can. but no, they had to control their workers birth control access, that being none. these are never religious purposes it is them wanting to be special so they dont have to change ever. it would be easy if they were just mentally ill. but they arent, they ARE just assholes
@@kermitthorson9719 agreed. Not saying that all pastors/preachers are that way, but I've met far too many that are. Only a few I still respect, even as an atheist. It just goes to show the importance of keeping chirch and state separate. The power that thebchurch can weild can destroy nations, with its resistance thanking them while it happens.
@@triciamberry that's right, it was ONLY the churches that got shut down wasn't it? No one else in the world got shut down. Nope, the history books show conclusively that it was only the religious institutions that were shut down and that's what we should remember in 50 years. Or we can remember actual history where tons and tons of businesses were either shut down or put on hold, not just the churches
@@TheIronicRaven you clearly have issues with comprehension. I expressly stated that it wasn’t only churches, also small business that were shut down. The point I was making however, was that it was hypocritical for the government to keep open Costco, target, Walmart, airports, concerts, and to encourage the gathering together of thousands upon thousands for protest- but shut down churches and small businesses. It was the complete antithesis of “the science”- and it’s clear that the rules were Subjective and applied in only the ways that suited the government and the big corporations. It had nothing to do with “health”. That is all. No one claimed they only came for the church.
Persecution complex, picking and choosing, fear mongering, drama and emotional manipulation, deception.... yep, sounds like Christianity to me. Great video, thank you!
@vegan atheist and more Interesting how we Christians aren't supposed to lie, yet many do it as easy as breathing through the crap you mentioned... It shocks me at times.
@@veganatheistandmore Well while yes the truth is many Christians have a persecution complex, fearmonger, deceive, use drama, and emotional manipulation, that doesn't make it right. Hence why I called it "crap," because we're supposed to be against that crap, not for it. But I grew up seeing this corruption, so it doesn't surprise me. Just keep an eye out for where it leads, because it's looking now like a lot of what's in the book of revelation might be a self fulfilling prophecy.
@@atheistjake Nae bother, Jake, it's good to hear a fresh voice. I lived and worked in the US for almost 20 years, some of it in Atlanta. I can't say I envy you guys right now. You have Biden's Democrats on the one hand, and Trump's neo-Nazi fascists on the other..They've just made it illegal to give food and water to voters standing in line at the polls. Hitler would be proud of them. America needs more folk like you
Thank you! I was really mad when that voter suppression bill was passed. I'll keep doing my best to spread good information and maybe make a difference here in this country :)
I need to watch this and your reaction. I met Russell in 2012, when I went to the group that became this church. He (Russell) doesn't like me. Not that it matters or I give a hoot, but he can't stand me
Jake don't be alarmed, but I'm a minute in and you're reacting to this pastor better than I am. Because Christian though I am, my impression of this guy's intelligence isn't very high. But hey that opinion might change.
All I have to say is that I was healed through prayer and know people who were paralyzed and were able to walk about prayer to Jesus 🤷🏻♂️ Since I have seen with my own eyes and have experienced the truth of Jesus, I have come to realize how important it is that more people experience God’s healing presence… and if this church does that, then why oppose the positives?
No point adding anything much except to say that over here in the UK and most of Europe we look at this attitude and don't understand. Why this obsession with believing you are being persecuted when you have so much privilege? It's a bit delusional. If you want to really be persecuted why not move to another part of the world where openly practicing your religion is heavily restricted? Try a strict Muslim country! Americans are some of the most privileged people on the planet! Love the cat!
Exactly! I think it's because the Bible tells Christians that they will be persecuted, and that primes them to be on the lookout for situations where they can claim suffering for their god. It's ignorant, performative, and selfish. Pair that with the false notion that America was founded to be a strictly Christian nation that uses the Bible as it's framework, and you've got a recipe for religious entitlement over all other citizens. Thanks so much for watching and commenting! Also, Beans says hi :)
@@atheistjake The cat's colour does remind me a little of a can of baked beans! I think you are right. Sometimes they are desperate to be persecuted. It's almost like a Monty Python sketch. More masochistic nonsense from the principal death cult on the planet which features blood sacrifice and needing to be constantly reminded of how imperfect and damaged they are. If sane people actually think about that objectively it sounds pretty sick. No wonder the therapist (psychology) industry is so big in the US! Millions believing that they are deficient and need healing is a very sad mentality when the vast majority of them don't have any genuine mental health issues. I wish it was as funny as Monty Python but, in truth, it's not. More of Beans please. An antidote to not talking all this too seriously and putting a smile on my face. Thanks.
It's hard to guess the motives for every believer, but I agree with your observations. We've got a lot of work still to do in the US, and I'm glad we have others like you around the world who are helping to engage other people about this stuff too! Haha, don't worry, I'll be sure to include Beans in more videos! :)
@@atheistjake If you fry baked beans to reduce the brightness of the tomatoes; then serve on overdone toast and drizzle brown sauce on top from one of those squeezy bottles you get the same colours as Beans. Used to love that until I found out that burnt toast isn't healthy. As regards Monty Python: if you don't know them their humour it's very British (television) and totally off the wall. They did an amazing spoof movie called "Life of Brian" which when it came out upset a heck of a lot of Christians who didn't understand the meaning of the word "satire". If you don't know it please check it out! Perfect viewing for Easter!
That super interesting, I've never tried baked beans like that! And yes, I have heard of Monty Python! I watched their Holy Grail movie (like everyone else lol), but I definitely need to watch Life of Brian now as well. It sounds hilarious!
amazes me how seamlessly these christians go from christian ideas to republican ideas. its almost like they don't know the difference. and for bonus points. the republicans have subsumed most the christians. they're much more devout at practicing republicanism than christianity.
It's a documented phenomenon. The root cause is Nationalism. Cold War conservative Nationalism attached itself at the hip to Christianity to the point that being American was identified with being Christian. So decades later, that ferver has a distributive property of making people think that Conservative ideals are inherently also Christian ideals.
I have 100 percent been apart of that current 1 percent, subscribed to your channel. Subscribe you heathens! That outro line was corny af, if I'm being honest. lol
Come on man- they didn’t restrict all people gathering in groups. Lol. Costco was packed full, airplanes continued to fly- come on. Let’s be authentic about this. The government picked and chose which gatherings were ok. Small businesses, no- but huge corporations like Walmart and target are fine to stay open. Make it make sense. 😂😂😂
Things like shopping and air travel are necessities. They can't really be 100% stopped, because some people rely on that for work or life. Not so with churches, concerts, sports games, or other forms of purely social grouping. Of course some things had to stay open and not every decision on what to shut down was a good one, but there was a well-intentioned reason behind most of the pandemic protocols.
8:06- 8:37 I regret coming back to this video, because this past week I learned of the terms exegesis and eisegesis. Exegesis is where you understand the proper context of scripture, whereas as eisegesis is putting your own personal interpretation. You just made an eisegesis argument to combat his use of eisegesis. But I'm overlooking your overall point. To you the bible says obey the government for God has put it there, of which both democrats and republicans agree is an aspect of our government. Hence why you'll never see an atheist president, but I digress... My point is both arguments bear an ignorance use of scripture, but what makes your argument more favorable is how you value the safety of his congregation, whereas apparently he doesn't.
Just a small note, but when the Bible says God puts the government in place, that doesn't necessarily mean that those in authority worship God. That verse was written when the Roman government was in power, and they DEFINITELY weren't God worshippers lol
Nice try invoking Romans 13 as a counter to Acts, but this...Pastor is trying to say our government is corrupt. And while I'd agree with that sentiment, you know as well as I that's not what's going on with insisting on lockdowns. Simply put sir bringing up Romans 13 was unnecessary, as you should have called this what it was:"projection."
Thanks for your perspective! I like bringing up additional verses to counter someone's Biblical conclusion, since many viewers may not be as familiar with these verses. There is always more I could say, but it's tricky to fit everything into my edit 😆
@@atheistjake In all honesty what's sad is I think atheists knowing the bible so as to show zealots their folly. And it just dawned on me that since there are verses that warn of false prophets, you could've used that as a counter since his actions endanger his congregation. After all, what man of God in their right man endangers God's children?
True, that's a very good point! Although the verses about true Christians being able to walk through flames and handle snakes without injury might encourage these kinds of people to keep being reckless with public health for the sake of their "faith" tho. It's really up their interpretation 🤷🏻♂️
@@atheistjake Sad but true, as many ignorantly think:"If I think the virus won't effect me, then it won't effect me." And yeah that's how I see the foundation of faith being for many Christians. A state of mind, rather than a sensation in the heart. Hell that was my perception of why you deconverted, as when you came to realize the lack of evidence for God, your state of mind changed as you became aware. Also I fact checked that Acts verse this pastor quoted before typing this comment. I suggest reading Acts chapter 5, because if I read it right, ironically that chapter dealt with the apostles speaking out against the corruption of a church hence, "we must obey the word of God rather than man." I tell ya dogg, at times I'm irritated with how scriptures are manipulated for crap like this.
Also, I'm glad I'm re-watching this, while working on that story I've rambled about.(I find the video you're reacting to is fitting background noise given the cultist vibes it gives off. Sorry for the jaded perception...) I missed that you mentioned Mark 12: 17 the first time through. Which I see why many see it as pay your taxes, since Jesus said:'give to Cesaer what is Cesaer's." But what keeps getting left out is when he follows with "give to God's what is God's." To sum up "Give the government your money, but give God your heart and soul." This in no way disproves your point, but furthers how big of an idiot this pastor is. As a result I'mma get back to writing my novel, because this idiocy drives me to drink. And before you ask, I don't drink.
@@atheistjake I think I did that too early on, before I really had my channel established. Now I just get a huge bump each year for the Christmas marathon but then it goes back to its usual.
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The number of demons in my life decreased substantially once I became an atheist.
Same haha, although maybe that's because we're already on our way to hell? Not as high on their priority list? XD
This pastor is confusing loss of privilege with persecution.
Also: cute kitty!
Exactly! (Beans says hi, btw)
@@atheistjake hi, Beans!
The coronavirus can't tell a church from a theater. All they know is -- Mmm, fresh meat!
"Religious leaders need to be held accountable for their ideas." Lawrence Krauss
We cancel demons! There just always seems to be an unending supply of them...
Prevention is better than cure, but where's the fun in that? lol
And there always will be. They need a boogieman or else there's no drama and nothing to fight against.
@B.S. Lewis
Well demons do come from Hell, a plain of infinite and eternal suffering, so of course there'd be an endless supply. :p
I always thought that Hell was the place where Satan and the other demons would be punished forever, and not their home? Isn't Earth technically Satan's domain or whatever too? 🤔
@@atheistjake I think the question for the above commenter is how did the demons get out of Hell in the first place?
With the follow up, if I go to Hell, can I just leave whenever I want too?
I just couldn't tell if he was joking because of that emoji.
"We're cancelling disease" 🤣🤣 I remember when he was our campus pastor in high school, so this was wild to see. Great review!
I know, right? I couldn't believe it when I first saw the video, he's exactly the same and also so much different at the same time lmao. Thanks so much for watching my video! :D
hurry, get this pastor to a medical facility to we can standardize his disease cancelling abilities. as Godawful Movies put it, if they can heal and they dont spend the REST OF THE LIVES healing those that medicine cant then they are EVIL
"You must now and forevermore wear a safety belt when driving." "Meh. OK." You must now wear a mask in public and limit gatherings - just temporarily until this flu subsides." "Freedom!!!"
Literally.
Exodus 21, is freedom!!!!
Thank you for making these videos. Your channel helped me realize I needed to leave a community that valued the leaders over the followers.
I'm so glad my videos helped you! You just made my day. Thanks for watching! 😄
Recently started my deconstruction & I really appreciate your views & the way you explain things ☺️
Thank you so much, I'm glad I can help you on your journey! Feel free to let me know if there's any topic in particular you'd like me to cover? :)
How you spoken on how your family took the news?
I haven't talked about that yet, but it's a good idea! I'll add it to my list of next videos. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@atheistjake This one is surprising how personal they take it. ive been out to my parents in some way for 7 years and they still think i just need to fall back in line and are passive aggressive when they try to force their religion on others. example: i first came out atheist to my mom when i asked her to stop teaching my young daughter that she HAD to fold her hands and say the words of prayer before meals. asked them to stop, did for 7 years, but just this last weekend they were again trying to tell her that she HAD to pray before meals, nothing about this is our tradition and in someone else's house you respect them quietly when they say their prayer, no SHE HAD TO PARTICIPATE. so even casual catholics are REALLY bad at accepting the position of others as a legitimate existence.
Wow, that video was disturbing. The darkness, the thumping beat, the alarmist voice, the us-versus-them message - pure propaganda.
Yeah, and reading the comments under that video was even scarier! XD
Hi Jake. Fellow ex-Pentecostal here. Love your presentations. Well done for escaping so young. Took me way too long. I remember feeling hyper-vigilant about persecution and looked for it everywhere. This guy doesn't surprise me although, like you, I had to calm down after hearing him. Christians do cherry pick their scriptures don't they! I used to do it and it always bothered me. The high level of cognitive dissonance that the Bible creates is off the scale!
Hey, thank you so much! They're definitely good at selectively reading haha, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that entire video was nuts. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts! :)
@@atheistjake Well, that's the great thing about the Bible, isn't it? It was written by so many different people over such a long time span with so many different viewpoints and messages, there is just something for everybody in there!
Seriously, though: It was only after reading books by scholars like Bart Ehrman that I realized that the Bible does not in fact have one single harmonious messages, but is a loose collection of writings from different sources with different viewpoints and different agendas. It was quite the eye-opener (for a former JW like myself).
Just found this video. From Washington, as well. I grew up in the Kelso/Longview area and living in Kent, now. I'm horrified that a church here in Washington is so backward that it would continue to have weekly super spreader events and be so blatantly defiant. Ugh! BTW... I subscribed immediately. Digging the pre-shower hair. :D
Yeah, I was stunned to see so many people I recognized from my time in Christianity just willingly following their pastor in dismissing health and safety guidelines in favor of their own beliefs. Every time I see a "Fuck Inslee" sticker on a bumper around here, I can't help but think about how selfish that person is. Thanks so much for watching my video and sharing too! I'm glad you approve of my lazy hair day haha :P
*UPDATE:* Due to a family health emergency, my interview and livestream with Neil the 604 Atheist has been rescheduled to *April 22nd* . I'll keep you all updated via Twitter as things progress!
I hope everything will turn out fine Jake. I am going to say a prayer for you and your family. Be the one people can rely on in a crises!
I appreciate the kind words! Although to clarify, it was a member of Neil's family who was in the hospital. I'm more than happy to adjust my schedule as much as necessary for him. :)
Why does this give me God’s Not Dead vibe? Am I the only one?
This is accurate lol
if their god is not dead has he been following gatherings and mask mandates?
As always, the drama is unreal. Hardly surprising though, Russell's always been a conman
Out of all his material I've seen, this video definitely felt the most obviously cult-like. Thanks for checking out my video! :)
I used to go to the Exchange, the group he led that became this church. I left when there was some suspicious stuff going on in the group leadership. A husband and wife were leaders and they suddenly disappeared from leadership. Russell told me he didn't know what had happened. I don't believe his claims one bit! He kicked me out of the church because I was asking too many questions
@André Nicolov
I'm scared to ask but, could you elaborate on how he's a conman...?
Found this video through Friendly Atheist blog. If it's any consolation it's the same here in Europe with Christians whining about not being able to go to church. They really cannot deal with being under the same restrictions as others. They always want to be the privileged special ones.
Thanks for checking out my little corner of TH-cam! I was so surprised when Hemant decided to write an article about the story and include my video. Sorry you're dealing with this same nonsense on your side of the planet, maybe someday they'll get the picture? Haha
@Leo Link
WTF? Seriously what ever happened to praying and serving God in the confines of your home?
But no, I get it, because as a Christian, this is that cult mentality I've been critical of since I was 16.(I'm 32.) It's a way to keep the masses in line, and it bugs me...
They are playing the victim and then they attack a group of people who has nothing to do with it. they are spreading hate.
They are so entrenched in their victim mentality they do not realize they are risking the lives of their own church members.
They can't possibly do any harm when they are living under God's divine protection, right?
"The plague discriminates not between a brothel and a church, nor does it discriminate between a serf and a king. All it sees is prey-- and it's *always* on the hunt."
~a lil thing i came up with
That's pretty badass ngl haha
@@atheistjake :0! Thanks! :D
Hey! TH-cam suggested one of your videos yesterday and I subscribed because I love watching calm, level headed people expressing themselves. Your vibe reminds me of Sam Harris, though not quite as detached (which is a good thing). And.... I don't mean to brag.... but... since I subscribed after watching your deconversion video, I was already part of the 1%... :D :D Anyway, I'm looking forward to more great content! Keep it up!
Aww, this made my whole day! Thank you so much for your support, it's really encouraging to read :)
Haha, you have every right to brag. Thanks for being part of the 1% from the very beginning! I can't wait to see what happens with this channel in the future :D
These preacher's rhetoric can essentially be summed up as:
"I'm literally, not figuratively, too mentally dimineshed to understand how gathering spreads disease. Or that everyone has been shut down, not just churches"
some assuredly don't understand, but i think the typical preacher is more intelligent than we all like to assume, they are just reallly disingenuous, some of them are even apathetic atheist conmen. they are in teh church business because theyve seen that when you tie it to faith people are easy to manipulate. most of those preacher i described are in it for the money and fame only, they will do WHATEVER talking points to keep them in power. just look at Jim Bakker.
but even the convinced theists are looking for anyway for them to get special privileges to not follow another law. example the churches organizations being exempt from the birth control mandate a few years ago. they didnt have to pay just had to sign a form saying they wont for legal reasons so someone else can. but no, they had to control their workers birth control access, that being none. these are never religious purposes it is them wanting to be special so they dont have to change ever. it would be easy if they were just mentally ill. but they arent, they ARE just assholes
@@kermitthorson9719 agreed. Not saying that all pastors/preachers are that way, but I've met far too many that are. Only a few I still respect, even as an atheist.
It just goes to show the importance of keeping chirch and state separate. The power that thebchurch can weild can destroy nations, with its resistance thanking them while it happens.
Everyone was not shut down. 😂😂😂😂 Stop rewriting history.
@@triciamberry that's right, it was ONLY the churches that got shut down wasn't it? No one else in the world got shut down. Nope, the history books show conclusively that it was only the religious institutions that were shut down and that's what we should remember in 50 years.
Or we can remember actual history where tons and tons of businesses were either shut down or put on hold, not just the churches
@@TheIronicRaven you clearly have issues with comprehension. I expressly stated that it wasn’t only churches, also small business that were shut down. The point I was making however, was that it was hypocritical for the government to keep open Costco, target, Walmart, airports, concerts, and to encourage the gathering together of thousands upon thousands for protest- but shut down churches and small businesses. It was the complete antithesis of “the science”- and it’s clear that the rules were
Subjective and applied in only the ways that suited the government and the big corporations. It had nothing to do with “health”. That is all. No one claimed they only came for the church.
I forget which horror movie with backlit zombies this reminds me of. Great video, Jake!
Haha, let's hope they don't turn into actual zombies! Thanks for watching! :)
Jake:"First of all the use of the word 'ain't in the Pacific Northwest?"
Me(Being from Texas):"Hey, whatchu tryin' to say?"
I'm saying that you're the one true people who can say that 🤣
Persecution complex, picking and choosing, fear mongering, drama and emotional manipulation, deception.... yep, sounds like Christianity to me.
Great video, thank you!
Haha, good eye for bullshit! Thanks so much for watching my video! :)
@vegan atheist and more
Interesting how we Christians aren't supposed to lie, yet many do it as easy as breathing through the crap you mentioned... It shocks me at times.
@@DemonicRemption the crap I mentioned?? So to you truth means crap?
@@veganatheistandmore
Well while yes the truth is many Christians have a persecution complex, fearmonger, deceive, use drama, and emotional manipulation, that doesn't make it right.
Hence why I called it "crap," because we're supposed to be against that crap, not for it. But I grew up seeing this corruption, so it doesn't surprise me.
Just keep an eye out for where it leads, because it's looking now like a lot of what's in the book of revelation might be a self fulfilling prophecy.
Imagine unironically embracing the aesthetics of the totalitarian regime from the Apple computer commercial.
These people take themselves so seriously
What you perceive as "hate" as it's so commonly referred couldn't be farther from the truth!
I don't recall labelling anything as "hate"? What was I talking about that you feel I reacted poorly to? 🤔
@@atheistjake watch your video again
I love how neither of us can be bothered to find out 😆
HI, from the UK here, we don't share your religious troubles these days. Found this site via Friendly Atheist/Hemant Mehta, excellent video! :)
Wow, I'm very envious of you right now haha! Thanks for watching my video, I was so surprised when Hemant wrote about it! :D
@@atheistjake Nae bother, Jake, it's good to hear a fresh voice. I lived and worked in the US for almost 20 years, some of it in Atlanta. I can't say I envy you guys right now. You have Biden's Democrats on the one hand, and Trump's neo-Nazi fascists on the other..They've just made it illegal to give food and water to voters standing in line at the polls. Hitler would be proud of them. America needs more folk like you
Thank you! I was really mad when that voter suppression bill was passed. I'll keep doing my best to spread good information and maybe make a difference here in this country :)
I need to watch this and your reaction. I met Russell in 2012, when I went to the group that became this church. He (Russell) doesn't like me. Not that it matters or I give a hoot, but he can't stand me
Wow, I think I went to that same group a few times! That's so funny XD
Jake don't be alarmed, but I'm a minute in and you're reacting to this pastor better than I am. Because Christian though I am, my impression of this guy's intelligence isn't very high.
But hey that opinion might change.
😆😆😆 Thanks? I agree tho, he's on a whole different level haha
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Indeed, and my opinion of this guy only got worst as I kept watching this video...
No wonder why so many people died of Covid
All I have to say is that I was healed through prayer and know people who were paralyzed and were able to walk about prayer to Jesus 🤷🏻♂️
Since I have seen with my own eyes and have experienced the truth of Jesus, I have come to realize how important it is that more people experience God’s healing presence… and if this church does that, then why oppose the positives?
No point adding anything much except to say that over here in the UK and most of Europe we look at this attitude and don't understand. Why this obsession with believing you are being persecuted when you have so much privilege? It's a bit delusional.
If you want to really be persecuted why not move to another part of the world where openly practicing your religion is heavily restricted? Try a strict Muslim country! Americans are some of the most privileged people on the planet!
Love the cat!
Exactly! I think it's because the Bible tells Christians that they will be persecuted, and that primes them to be on the lookout for situations where they can claim suffering for their god. It's ignorant, performative, and selfish. Pair that with the false notion that America was founded to be a strictly Christian nation that uses the Bible as it's framework, and you've got a recipe for religious entitlement over all other citizens.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting! Also, Beans says hi :)
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The cat's colour does remind me a little of a can of baked beans!
I think you are right.
Sometimes they are desperate to be persecuted. It's almost like a Monty Python sketch. More masochistic nonsense from the principal death cult on the planet which features blood sacrifice and needing to be constantly reminded of how imperfect and damaged they are. If sane people actually think about that objectively it sounds pretty sick. No wonder the therapist (psychology) industry is so big in the US! Millions believing that they are deficient and need healing is a very sad mentality when the vast majority of them don't have any genuine mental health issues. I wish it was as funny as Monty Python but, in truth, it's not.
More of Beans please. An antidote to not talking all this too seriously and putting a smile on my face. Thanks.
It's hard to guess the motives for every believer, but I agree with your observations. We've got a lot of work still to do in the US, and I'm glad we have others like you around the world who are helping to engage other people about this stuff too!
Haha, don't worry, I'll be sure to include Beans in more videos! :)
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If you fry baked beans to reduce the brightness of the tomatoes; then serve on overdone toast and drizzle brown sauce on top from one of those squeezy bottles you get the same colours as Beans. Used to love that until I found out that burnt toast isn't healthy.
As regards Monty Python: if you don't know them their humour it's very British (television) and totally off the wall. They did an amazing spoof movie called "Life of Brian" which when it came out upset a heck of a lot of Christians who didn't understand the meaning of the word "satire". If you don't know it please check it out! Perfect viewing for Easter!
That super interesting, I've never tried baked beans like that! And yes, I have heard of Monty Python! I watched their Holy Grail movie (like everyone else lol), but I definitely need to watch Life of Brian now as well. It sounds hilarious!
Ah good ol Christian victim complex
amazes me how seamlessly these christians go from christian ideas to republican ideas. its almost like they don't know the difference. and for bonus points. the republicans have subsumed most the christians. they're much more devout at practicing republicanism than christianity.
It's a documented phenomenon. The root cause is Nationalism. Cold War conservative Nationalism attached itself at the hip to Christianity to the point that being American was identified with being Christian. So decades later, that ferver has a distributive property of making people think that Conservative ideals are inherently also Christian ideals.
dude, this isn't republicanism. it's libertarianism
This isn't a church, it's a cult...does anyone else feel the same way? or is it just me...little culty?
Maybe a tad, although some of the creepy and dramatic vibes may have been just for the sake of this one video haha
I have 100 percent been apart of that current 1 percent, subscribed to your channel. Subscribe you heathens!
That outro line was corny af, if I'm being honest. lol
You're the real MVP! I appreciate that suggestion tho, it's still on my list of ideas haha :)
Come on man- they didn’t restrict all people gathering in groups. Lol. Costco was packed full, airplanes continued to fly- come on. Let’s be authentic about this. The government picked and chose which gatherings were ok. Small businesses, no- but huge corporations like Walmart and target are fine to stay open. Make it make sense. 😂😂😂
Things like shopping and air travel are necessities. They can't really be 100% stopped, because some people rely on that for work or life. Not so with churches, concerts, sports games, or other forms of purely social grouping. Of course some things had to stay open and not every decision on what to shut down was a good one, but there was a well-intentioned reason behind most of the pandemic protocols.
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I regret coming back to this video, because this past week I learned of the terms exegesis and eisegesis. Exegesis is where you understand the proper context of scripture, whereas as eisegesis is putting your own personal interpretation.
You just made an eisegesis argument to combat his use of eisegesis. But I'm overlooking your overall point.
To you the bible says obey the government for God has put it there, of which both democrats and republicans agree is an aspect of our government. Hence why you'll never see an atheist president, but I digress...
My point is both arguments bear an ignorance use of scripture, but what makes your argument more favorable is how you value the safety of his congregation, whereas apparently he doesn't.
Just a small note, but when the Bible says God puts the government in place, that doesn't necessarily mean that those in authority worship God. That verse was written when the Roman government was in power, and they DEFINITELY weren't God worshippers lol
Lol. Cringe!🤦🤦🤦🤦
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Whether you believe in a god or not, I believe in you! 😁
david koresh? or warren jeffs?
Nice try invoking Romans 13 as a counter to Acts, but this...Pastor is trying to say our government is corrupt. And while I'd agree with that sentiment, you know as well as I that's not what's going on with insisting on lockdowns.
Simply put sir bringing up Romans 13 was unnecessary, as you should have called this what it was:"projection."
Thanks for your perspective! I like bringing up additional verses to counter someone's Biblical conclusion, since many viewers may not be as familiar with these verses. There is always more I could say, but it's tricky to fit everything into my edit 😆
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In all honesty what's sad is I think atheists knowing the bible so as to show zealots their folly. And it just dawned on me that since there are verses that warn of false prophets, you could've used that as a counter since his actions endanger his congregation. After all, what man of God in their right man endangers God's children?
True, that's a very good point! Although the verses about true Christians being able to walk through flames and handle snakes without injury might encourage these kinds of people to keep being reckless with public health for the sake of their "faith" tho. It's really up their interpretation 🤷🏻♂️
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Sad but true, as many ignorantly think:"If I think the virus won't effect me, then it won't effect me."
And yeah that's how I see the foundation of faith being for many Christians. A state of mind, rather than a sensation in the heart. Hell that was my perception of why you deconverted, as when you came to realize the lack of evidence for God, your state of mind changed as you became aware.
Also I fact checked that Acts verse this pastor quoted before typing this comment. I suggest reading Acts chapter 5, because if I read it right, ironically that chapter dealt with the apostles speaking out against the corruption of a church hence, "we must obey the word of God rather than man."
I tell ya dogg, at times I'm irritated with how scriptures are manipulated for crap like this.
Same haha, it's a surprisingly messy book for an all-knowing author 😅
Also, I'm glad I'm re-watching this, while working on that story I've rambled about.(I find the video you're reacting to is fitting background noise given the cultist vibes it gives off. Sorry for the jaded perception...) I missed that you mentioned Mark 12: 17 the first time through.
Which I see why many see it as pay your taxes, since Jesus said:'give to Cesaer what is Cesaer's." But what keeps getting left out is when he follows with "give to God's what is God's."
To sum up "Give the government your money, but give God your heart and soul."
This in no way disproves your point, but furthers how big of an idiot this pastor is. As a result I'mma get back to writing my novel, because this idiocy drives me to drink. And before you ask, I don't drink.
How the fuck do you get so many views if not from your subscribers??????
Haha, I've got two words: deconversion. video. That one really blew up somehow and I think it skewed my numbers in a weird way?? idk lol
@@atheistjake I think I did that too early on, before I really had my channel established. Now I just get a huge bump each year for the Christmas marathon but then it goes back to its usual.
Yeah, it's impossible to predict what TH-cam will recommend. Fingers crossed for the future, I'm hoping to ride this wave past 1,000 subs! 🤞
Atheists... enough said.
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You win my whole channel! XD
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