Your video was a great help. Loved the vacuum cleaner draw string trick. Installed conduit and the drawstring some 20 metres from the utility box on the outer wall to my garage. NBN tech told me no one has ever installed conduit for any of the installs he has carried out. He said the day was a good day. Job done in less than 4 hours. Could not be happier.
Delayed reply but I just found out this week why Telstra / NBN conduit is a weird size. It uses the same sizes as pressure plumbing pipe rather than the standard electrical / comms metric conduit size. Seems maybe they are based on old imperial sizes? Will figure it out eventually.
@@jim8395I thought the Telstra/NBN sizing was based in internal diameter, whereas the others are external. Even then, there are a few extra mms of space. Maybe the conduit walls were thicker back in the day and it was actually 20mm internal.
13:49 as a nbn tech on ftth and brand new homes the amount of dramas I get when conduits arnt glued cause me grief they people do work up in the roof and they come appart causing issue when you need to pull new fibre and damages the fibre in it
Hey mate about to get my FTTP installed. I suppose you wouldn't be able to give me tips as to what conduit I can or can't use so I can put the termination box where i desire? Can i grab any conduit I want and run it to the place i'm hoping to install?
Hey guys, any tips on what sort of glue to use? I've run the P20 conduit from side of the house to boundary of the property at 400mm deep. First NBN tech told me don't worry about glueing it but this comment section making me re-think it. Been waiting ages for appointment so prefer not to get knocked back.
@@greasy_beefcake I just used araldite mate, it just needs to keep it from coming apart. It's not like you're doing plumbing or anything that requires sever structural integrity or to have a water tight seal.
I’ve just had the FTTP guys out. They wouldn’t do anything. Won’t go on the roof, in the roof. We need to run conduit from one side of the house to the other side. No specs were provided on conduit size. No help was given, they just went away. A great start.
@@lauriannajones I ended up installing the conduit from one end of the house to the other with a pull string. I found comms conduit at Bunnings ~$4 per length. The FTTP NBN guys came back, and was told that the street conduit needed civil engineers to repair as they couldn’t get the fibre through. They did run fibre through my conduit though. When they left I discovered my FTTN connection didn’t work.. so had NO internet. Thankfully Aussie BB we’re awesome and got onto it and the Civil dudes turned up on a Saturday afternoon and got the fibre pulled through, and attempted to fix the FTTN connection but didn’t matter because I wanted FTTP. FTTN still didn’t function but FTTP has been working great since.
nbn are useless half of them dont even know how to do the job in nsw NBN enrolls all their trainees in a course the cert 3 telecommunications for 12 months and the teachers give the students the answers to the assessments its a joke
The mugs that ran the conduit for our FTTP didn't glue the conduit for the fibre. It is necessary. Turns out, mice love the taste of fibre sheathing. We found that out during COVID lockdown when the kids and the resident teacher couldn't WFH.
I’m getting FTP is it better if the box inside closer to the Street? I live in Victoria and I’m with Telstra $140 for $250 Upload not sure what u paying and I get unlimited and phone
Any tips for actually finding where the old copper conduit comes to? I've never had ADSL or FTTN at this home (on iiNet HFC, non-NBN). Will all houses have an underground conduit or am I on a wild goose chase? I found an old orange looking oval telstra cap just sitting on the ground, but I can't for the life of me find where it came from.
thanks for the response, I worked out it's an aerial lead in for the old phone line. Not sure if NBN will still use aerial or run a new underground line... makes it impossible to plan for. @@Rusty_Gold85
Properties will have either an aerial drop cable that comes in via the power poles, or underground via a lead-in conduit (LIC). A lot of the older inner city suburbs may only have a 10mm LIC as it was the standard 60+ years ago. A lot of LIC’s just go directly under the house and aren’t visible from the outside. The majority will be run to the side of your property, look at your property on either side and the one that you can see will usually mean that yours will be on that side too.
Depending on who’s running cable will either tie jet line (string) certain way with heap of electrical tape or use a hauling sock and still use heap load of duct tape to secure sock on cable and heap to secure jet line to sock.
@@jeremylindemann5117the power induces noise into the data cable. Aus standards say data and power should be minimum 50mm apart or seperated by a physical barrier. In reality land, crossing over power isn't likely to cause issue. Running parallel for distance would be far more problematic.
@@jeremylindemann5117I've just re-read the seperation rules and updated my comment to say 50mm not 150mm. To my suprise, you're actually allowed to run data and power in the same conduit without any seperation. :|
Don't expect the NBN with these FTTP upgrades to locate the NBN NCD to your preferred location as they can be time consuming and expensive, they will likely put it at the most coinvent location for themself. You can arrange to have the correct conduit/bends/amount of bends installed if you want the NBN NCD in some other location.
I think you can run fibre through orange? Not best practice but if it gets you out of a pickle. This the standard allows for fibre to be run in same conduit as power?
Hi mate, thanks for your comment. It is NBN conduit as it is made for there specs. Comms conduit is same size dimension as electrical conduit. NBN conduit is different and is labelled and sold as NBN conduit from the wholesaler. I guess it is comms conduit but if everyone calls in NBN conduit including the people making it, I would say it is NBN conduit!
Your video was a great help. Loved the vacuum cleaner draw string trick. Installed conduit and the drawstring some 20 metres from the utility box on the outer wall to my garage. NBN tech told me no one has ever installed conduit for any of the installs he has carried out. He said the day was a good day. Job done in less than 4 hours. Could not be happier.
We’ll done. Love the vacuum idea sucking the line through…never thought of that. Makes things a lot simpler.
When I saw that this documentary featured none other than our friend Mr Dunning Kruger, I had to watch it immediately!
The explanation of the conduit sizes was well received by me. I was looking and wondering why the sizes were all over the place.
Delayed reply but I just found out this week why Telstra / NBN conduit is a weird size. It uses the same sizes as pressure plumbing pipe rather than the standard electrical / comms metric conduit size. Seems maybe they are based on old imperial sizes? Will figure it out eventually.
@@jim8395I thought the Telstra/NBN sizing was based in internal diameter, whereas the others are external. Even then, there are a few extra mms of space. Maybe the conduit walls were thicker back in the day and it was actually 20mm internal.
I have a couple of Arlec LED work lights in the ceiling makes life so much easier to cable when you can see what you are doing :)
13:49 as a nbn tech on ftth and brand new homes the amount of dramas I get when conduits arnt glued cause me grief they people do work up in the roof and they come appart causing issue when you need to pull new fibre and damages the fibre in it
Hey mate about to get my FTTP installed. I suppose you wouldn't be able to give me tips as to what conduit I can or can't use so I can put the termination box where i desire? Can i grab any conduit I want and run it to the place i'm hoping to install?
Have to use white 20mm communications conduit. You can get it at bunnings
Hey guys, any tips on what sort of glue to use? I've run the P20 conduit from side of the house to boundary of the property at 400mm deep. First NBN tech told me don't worry about glueing it but this comment section making me re-think it. Been waiting ages for appointment so prefer not to get knocked back.
@@greasy_beefcake I just used araldite mate, it just needs to keep it from coming apart. It's not like you're doing plumbing or anything that requires sever structural integrity or to have a water tight seal.
@WillDavison just use pvc glue, its about $5 for a small container which is more than you'll need
I’ve just had the FTTP guys out. They wouldn’t do anything. Won’t go on the roof, in the roof. We need to run conduit from one side of the house to the other side. No specs were provided on conduit size. No help was given, they just went away. A great start.
Absolutely same here. Insane!
Is it still bad now?
@@lauriannajones I ended up installing the conduit from one end of the house to the other with a pull string. I found comms conduit at Bunnings ~$4 per length. The FTTP NBN guys came back, and was told that the street conduit needed civil engineers to repair as they couldn’t get the fibre through. They did run fibre through my conduit though. When they left I discovered my FTTN connection didn’t work.. so had NO internet. Thankfully Aussie BB we’re awesome and got onto it and the Civil dudes turned up on a Saturday afternoon and got the fibre pulled through, and attempted to fix the FTTN connection but didn’t matter because I wanted FTTP. FTTN still didn’t function but FTTP has been working great since.
nbn are useless half of them dont even know how to do the job in nsw NBN enrolls all their trainees in a course the cert 3 telecommunications for 12 months and the teachers give the students the answers to the assessments its a joke
The mugs that ran the conduit for our FTTP didn't glue the conduit for the fibre. It is necessary.
Turns out, mice love the taste of fibre sheathing. We found that out during COVID lockdown when the kids and the resident teacher couldn't WFH.
Did the mice pull 2 pieces of conduit apart to get in?!
BTW is is 20mm NB ( nominal boar ) 26.9mm OD
Very helpful 🙌
It was wonderful. Thanks
At 12:20 I assume the cut after "Oop" was due to the amount of swearing needed to rescue the dropped conduit out of the wall cavity 🤣
Pro-tip for lights in the roof space: don't put them on the ceiling, you'll step on them :P
Haha, you are all over it!
Great video - thanks.
@jim8395 What sort of glue did you use?
Hi Scott, just plumbers glue (PVC glue) you can get it in clear or blue
I’m getting FTP is it better if the box inside closer to the Street? I live in Victoria and I’m with Telstra $140 for $250 Upload not sure what u paying and I get unlimited and phone
Any tips for actually finding where the old copper conduit comes to? I've never had ADSL or FTTN at this home (on iiNet HFC, non-NBN). Will all houses have an underground conduit or am I on a wild goose chase?
I found an old orange looking oval telstra cap just sitting on the ground, but I can't for the life of me find where it came from.
Usually next to the Power box and your boundary with neighbour whose lead in is close to your side of the house , Mind many suburbs are different
thanks for the response, I worked out it's an aerial lead in for the old phone line.
Not sure if NBN will still use aerial or run a new underground line... makes it impossible to plan for. @@Rusty_Gold85
Properties will have either an aerial drop cable that comes in via the power poles, or underground via a lead-in conduit (LIC).
A lot of the older inner city suburbs may only have a 10mm LIC as it was the standard 60+ years ago. A lot of LIC’s just go directly under the house and aren’t visible from the outside.
The majority will be run to the side of your property, look at your property on either side and the one that you can see will usually mean that yours will be on that side too.
How do you pull cables through after the string in conduit?
Depending on who’s running cable will either tie jet line (string) certain way with heap of electrical tape or use a hauling sock and still use heap load of duct tape to secure sock on cable and heap to secure jet line to sock.
But since it’s very small conduit build. Push it thought wall from outside to wall box. Pull it all out and push it up conduit
Very close to changing :)
just got my FTTP upraged from FTTN, it was just a basic back to back install, lucky I wanted the NTD in the garage anyways.
I did wonder if they included running and fibre in the roof, I suspected not hence making it as easy as possible for them 😃
@@jim8395 yes I suspect it because they get paid per job.
@@Bluehawkeye did they ask you where you wanted to put the ntd box?
@@caphan8897 no i had no choice
noticed blue cat network cable lying across power in the ceiling cavity @ 9.35 tut, tut...
Yes, terrible I know.
Why is that bad?
@@jeremylindemann5117the power induces noise into the data cable. Aus standards say data and power should be minimum 50mm apart or seperated by a physical barrier.
In reality land, crossing over power isn't likely to cause issue. Running parallel for distance would be far more problematic.
@@iamdave84 I see. I wasn't sure if a regular household power cable was something that could cause disruption in a cat6 cable.
@@jeremylindemann5117I've just re-read the seperation rules and updated my comment to say 50mm not 150mm.
To my suprise, you're actually allowed to run data and power in the same conduit without any seperation. :|
What type of pull box is that where it comes in?
DONAGHYS
PP PULL LINE 2240TX1830M WHITE
Mfr Number: LAS0110D
I buy it from Lear & Smith Electrical wholesale about $70 for 1800m box
So installing the conduit is the owners cost right?
Don't expect the NBN with these FTTP upgrades to locate the NBN NCD to your preferred location as they can be time consuming and expensive, they will likely put it at the most coinvent location for themself. You can arrange to have the correct conduit/bends/amount of bends installed if you want the NBN NCD in some other location.
Thats a dsl cable not a cat6 cable
Dont ever use orange conduit for communications EVER
I think you can run fibre through orange? Not best practice but if it gets you out of a pickle. This the standard allows for fibre to be run in same conduit as power?
@@jim8395 well its against Australian standards and the law
no you are only allowed to use power in orange conduit... look at the australian standard for conduit and piping colours...
@@dred3358 The comms aust standard S009.2020 Page 58 Table 2 allows for 0mm separation for fibre in conduit with ELV, LV and HV power.
@@Rusty_Gold85 The comms aust standard S009.2020 Page 58 Table 2 allows for 0mm separation for fibre in conduit with ELV, LV and HV power.
Stop calling it nbn or telstra conduit!! Its communication conduit and the only difference is the multiple OD sizes you can purchase
Hi mate, thanks for your comment. It is NBN conduit as it is made for there specs. Comms conduit is same size dimension as electrical conduit. NBN conduit is different and is labelled and sold as NBN conduit from the wholesaler. I guess it is comms conduit but if everyone calls in NBN conduit including the people making it, I would say it is NBN conduit!