Reacting To Wrestling Observer Awards
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Meltzer usually isn’t the greatest at reading the room, but it did a lot for his credibility to call out the people who voted for TK as booker of the year.
For all of 2022, I'd agree with that. But Hunter has been king from September on.
I'm not a MELTZER fan, but gotta give him his dues on this one
Yeah Khan is awful! lol
should rename it the All Elite Wrestling Observer Awards
Amen
Yeah, Meltzer's love for Khan and AEW is hilarious
Boo hoo 😢
Just waiting for 2023 awards, it will be the same thing..
Even reddit went "nah" on the majority of this list.
Sammy vs Scorpio and Lambert should have been worse fued, killed the TNT title's momentum and no one came out of it better than they started.
Dear Gods, I forgot about that feud! Was that last year though?! It feels like it was... SO LONG AGO!
Most people forgot that was last year
I'll always have a soft spot for the mixed trios match at DoN, my favourite bad match of 2022
Rampage being number 3 in best weekly show definitely shows bias with the voting 🤣
Dave Meltzer catered to a specific audience and now that’s what he has left as his readers and it shows imo
What? I don't understand?
@@canis2020 His audience are fans that have a clear bias towards AEW and indie promotions.
@@cronutsarefake I mean... until the middle of last year AEW and some Indie promotions WERE doing better than WWE!
@@JacksonOwex at what point has any indie promotion or aew done better then wwe financially or viewer wise 🤔
@@JacksonOwex there’s actual numbers that disprove this lol
Regarding the worst announcer, you need to remember how many times Gorilla Monsoon won that award, and compare that to how beloved he is by the fans. WO's Worst announcer has NEVER been a reliable reflection of the fans.
WHAT?!
Same with Don West, people called him awful but he was the best thing TNA had at the time. Don made TNA feel special.
@@jakebrandon7632 Don was the best. He had such passion, such energy. He made every TNA show better.
chad gable is underrated with the right creative he could be this generations kurt angle
Once Meltzer made it obvious he was trying way too hard to have the AEW cool kids table notice him, any credibility he and the Observer had left were all long gone.
WWE voted as the worse company when NWA and CYN are right there was fucking wild.
The problem comparing the companies to each other is that each has a VERY distinct style they go for and VERY little of any of them really overlaps! It's almost like comparing WWE to UFC to... I don't know boxing but some major boxing promotion.
None of those three things is really ANYTHING like the others except in the smallest ways, rings and entrances are the big things that I can think of that all of them have but other sports also do entrances are we going to start comparing WWE to the NBA or the NFL next?!
@@JacksonOwex what point are you trying to make here the thing is cyn and nwa are both wrestling companies so idk what kind of argument your trying to formulate but it don't make any sense comparing wrestling to basketball or mma
@@seanducharme413 he is pointing out that it shouldn't be surprising that the readers of the wrestling observer are not huge fans of WWE and tend to prefer other promotions. It's an opinion poll, so of course the results are going to reflect the opinions of the readers and audience.
@@jonathanschmeh5709 All the readers of the wrestling observe are AEW fanboys/WWE haters. They don't even watch NWA or CYN as it caters to the AEW fanboys rather to all wrestling fans. That's why these awards are fucking garbage.
@@TheDeviantPro You're probably right. There absolutely no readers of the wrestling observer that watch the NWA or CYN. They are AEW fanboys who never watched any wrestling till Dave told them to watch AEW.
Even dave himself called out his idiotic readers for voting Tony as booker of the year when 2022 was awful for AEW
Yeah, even early it was... a mess! Fortunately for AEW WWE was a BIGGER mess until about July. UNFORTUNATELY for AEW Papa Haitch was able to start turning things around for WWE and, even in his faults, he was able to make things LEAP AND BOUNDS better than it had been before, though to be fair he wasn't competing with anything that was good to begin with!
After July, AEW's cracks REALLY started to show, then All Out happened and the shit REALLY hit the fan there! I lost a LOT of respect for TK after that CM Punk interview and the whole mess, and some other stupid ass comments he made that people have forgotten because of the "Brawl Out" stuff!
Well they mentioned that in the video above
Meltzer giving out awards is like giving a kid a participation trophy for just standing there and doing nothing all season.
Wrestling Observer wishes they had an award as esteemed as the Baron Corbin Award
How is Dynamite the best weekly wrestling show? It has good wrestling and literally nothing else. I struggle to think of one stand-out moment from Dynamite in the last four months.The moments I *can* recall that felt special didn't lead to anything interesting - like MJF immediately turning on Regal or House of Black suddenly returning and destroying everyone in the ring (yes, they're champions, but they're cold champions).
I'm shocked that an NXT talent won an award. Even if it is Bron Breakker.
Why? NXT is amazing!
@@MorrisseyMuse but meltzers fans are anti anything wwe & honestly bron breaker is the last wwe guy I would think meltzer fans would vote for
dave meltzer is the reason why there is a AEW/WWE "war"
Dave’s fans are as niche as AEW fans
Eric was part of nwo wcw allso impact wrestling and he was on wwe
I'm with Steve, I don't think Takeshita counts as "underrated"! We spent most of the year getting to know who he is and what he's about.
@@mychaeljones7526 Good point!
I'm surprised Kevin Patrick didn't win worst announcer. Maybe WoN voters just don't know who he is.
HEY, I like KP! Most when he lets a bit of t'e Irish out!
Excalibur may be the least competent commentator in wrestling.
Lol you mean the AEW awards show 😂😂
People have to not take them so seriously. This is not representative of all wrestling fans. And that's fine. That's why these are the "Wreslting Observer Awards," not just "Wrestling Awards"
The Will Ospreay awards.
Saying mox was the best wrestler last year is insane. He’s a break in case of emergency champion. People take these awards too seriously, it’s a couple thousand Indy marks. Wwe is clearly king and Roman is the top guy.
Best brawler is fine… who cares, but best wrestler is offensive
I sometimes think Meltzer doesn't even watch all wrestling
WWE seems to have pissed Meltzer and his minions off
Every other promotion could put two marshmellows in the ring and WWE could put 5465 star shows and it still wouldn't count
Meltzer just seems to be a little whining old man
If Bloodline can't get any awards you know the list makers are full of turds
Even if you call out fans and STILL post these crap lists Dave deserves a lot of heat for these.
Royal Rumble was the worst event? Is he talking about 2022 or 2023?
2022. The awards are for last year
I don't know why people take these awards from him seriously. I just lost my brain cells. 😂
From what I gathered these aren't even FROM him, it sounds more like his fans voted and he's just reporting what his fans voted for! ESPECIALLY when you look at that last one where he REALLY lays into voting TK booker of the year!
Yeah, I just love Jim Cornette hilariously tearing the results to shreds lol
Maximum Male Models winning worst gimmick of the year is a crime, they're pretty funny when they're on TV
Roman as most overrated wrestler. That sure is a take. Meltzer's audience might want to step outside their bubble.
That all depends on WHAT the criteria actually ARE for something like that! Roman is a VERY, VERY basic wrestler as far as physical ability goes. Since all this Bloodline stuff started he has at least gotten to show that he CAN be charismatic, kind of like Brock has been able to the last few years!
People are going to ride my ass for this but Stone Cold was NOT a great wrestler either, he was CHARISMATIC, even The Rock, yes, THE ROCK, was a pretty basic ass wrestler but HIS charisma was UNBELIEVABLY INSANE so people started to LOVE what he did! I think he's the first wrestler where we can say fans started to pay more attention to WHO a wrestling character was more than they did WHAT the character acted like(face vs. heel and all that)!
People HATED Rocky Maivia when he came in all "white-meat baby face" but when he joined The Nation and was allowed to run with some shit on the mic people started to take notice and they started to REALLY like what they saw, even when they hated it! He's the most popular star that we can say is the cause of fans cheering for heels and booing faces! I guess Stone Cold is a good example too, he was NOT a face in any stretch of the imagination!
@@JacksonOwex I don't think anyone will dispute that Dwayne the Dwayne Dwayneson wasn't much of a technical wrestler. He was incredibly charismatic and committed to making everyone he sold for look like a million bucks (sorry Billy Gunn). I remember him also being a solid ring general. But yeah, he was no Kurt Angle or [REDACTED].
Idk when the awards period is but if its during the majority of hunters booking run then he should of won booker of the year, he's completely turned around wwe.
The Observer is in the pocket of TK. Why would anybody give credence to any award given by that newsletter? You guys picked Mox? Why? Because he went through rehab for almost half the year? Or did you swallow the hype of him 'carrying' AEW after All Out? bleh.
Roman Reigns not being wrestler of the year tells you all you need to know
Mox is awful
I don't see the problem, he's still number 2 but whatever.
@@sheasheagaming1660 L
It's an AEW podcast that pushes its content regardless of validity, of course AEW talent will win. Why other promotions are even nominated is a waste of time.
Biased Meltzer at it again AEW slanted !
It's all subjective, of course, but voting for TK best booker and Triple H being 3rd place is ridiculous. People are entitled to their opinions, but this is basically like voting for How Green Was My Valley over Citizen Kane for best picture. Glad Meltzer called out his own community for such a baffling decision. I also suspect people who voted that way gave 0 consideration for what they were doing; it's obvious tribalism.
Steve you are making me turn on you more and more...
The buckshot is such an awesome move.
Do you love the superman punch!?
You are losing me Steve 😁
Am I the only person likes Will Oespray?
Rousey being overrated? Who was saying she had a good 2022? Its not like there’s been lots of people saying she’s great and she’s not, nobody liked her in 2022.
I like Corey Graves, he gets too much hate. He's a heel commentator and he does that well.
How is control your narrative not the worst promotion!? That sh*t sucks horribly.
wtf!? hahahahaha this is too funny 😂 😂 😂 😂
Let’s be real, tyrus is only on the overated category bc of his affiliation with Fox News 😂
Stardom voted over wwe by people who don’t even watch stardom lol
Steve is a Takeshita denier
The outrage towards the Observer Awards is a bit much at this point. It's fan awards, who cares, fans of anything will always have a bias. I don't always like what AEW does but to each their own.
If the Observer readers like/lean toward AEW, great, it's just entertainment at the end of the day, and if AEW is their preference let them be happy. Both AEW and WWE are tv shows that are there to take your mind off real life for a few hours no need for all the hostility.
Steve's anti takeshita agenda is 💩 and it's not like three of the other most underrated are exactly underrated either when people have also been praising how good & underrated ricochet, ricky Starks chad gable were for years despite their bad bookings. Despite takeshita wrestling for years only the Japanese wrestling fans would praise him in ddt up into a year and a half ago when he started taking booking outside Japan and got exposed to a bigger audience. So I say yes takeshita deserves the most underrated award because people are barley starting to appreciate him years later. Plus if you follow him on Twitter the dude seems like the most humble & chill guy ever I don't think he realizes how good he really is. Glad too see stardom getting appropriated more this year like mina shrikawa getting 2nd most improved because she's had a hell of a year. Or syuri winning women's MVP along with being in the top 5 in wrestler of the year. I still don't get how rampage is the 3rd best weekly show because for the most part in 2022 it really sucks like close to nxt 2.0 bad or last days of black & gold boring. Same with wwe being worst than nwa or control your narrative...really?😒
Yeahh… ummm nah. Almost everything on this list is a trash choice. Tbh. Tribalism is gunna tribalize tho.
“Wah someone has different likes and opinions than me.” Is what I read this as.
@@jtizzle124 you mean the exact thing what you are doing right now?
🤡🤡
@@jtizzle124 bro and I mean this whole heartedly, I do not care about most thing’s opinion based, but there are some far out baseless choices in this thing. How is Cory Graves the worst commentator when he’s on a panel with Kevin Patrick? That’s a hate vote because they don’t like Cory not because he’s bad at anything. How is Mox number two for promo of the year, when he literally causes AEW money every third time he has the mic and doesn’t really have much diction in his delivery. The baselessness is alway why I wouldn’t choose Bray as well mine you. I’m not even mad about the Tony Khan as booker thing even tho it’s wrong, and I think Stardom has done so much good work, Julie has been amazing, but second over Triple H… I mean what? There are just complete lapses of reality here.
@@christophermarang.3569 ignore him, he's probably one of the underdeveloped marks who voted for Tony and mox lol
@@thedoctor3528 What great argument you made for not agreeing with things! You actually would have been better off just copying the comment you're trashing on.
Michael Cole at his best is maybe the third best in the biz.
And guys…Graves sucks. His verbose and pompous phrasing hides how cliche he is, but even that clashes with his simplistic heel reasoning. Byron sees right thru it but he’s not nearly good enough to banter w Graves. I’d love to see Vic Joseph get the call up cuz that smug bastard would drive Graves up a wall.
I really wish the face announcers would use actual logic but a face in wwe isn’t supposed to stand their ground apparently
@@SuperDaidai14 So are we not calling Cole a face commentator, even when he does the PPVs(don't give shit!!!) with Corey?! Cole will call the fuck out of Corey's BS, and his reaction to seeing Pat at the Rumble was AMAZING!!!
@@JacksonOwex that made royal rumble ten times more enjoyable. Too bad cole is on Smackdown and graves is on raw. Since Kevin Patrick is new he has to “pay his dues” and get treated like shit
Man I miss Nigel. He was the best heel announcer in wwe that I’ve seen in idk 15-20 years.
Corey Graves deserves that award ... he has been insufferable on RAW..always shouting over KP and just being so annoying
Also, ric flair's last match show was 2nd in worst show of 2022
Moxley being wrestler of the year and you guys not seeing that as an issue is pretty ironic guys. The man blades infront of the camera, swears whenever he has the mic and has the same match every week.
He also didn't keep any momentum going for aew, the numbers and reach of this product is at it's lowest ever. Meanwhile reigns is arguably in the best angle in wrestling for the past decade, an undisputed champion whos run is longer then anyone elses since 1988, had that spectacle of a match with brock and the tractor and the list goes on.
Smackdown shoulda been first because one storyline was consistently good?
These picks are such a joke. His fan base is so bias. Jon Moz for best interview? Smack down not being first? AEW sucked last year for most of the time. Can’t take him seriously at all
How is Moxley wrestler of the year?Someone must be getting high because the award is for wrestling not bleeding....Moxley is a brawler yet he's the best wrestler in the world FOH
Absolutely ridiculous comment lmao.
Nope... Corey Graves does deserve that award. He has a tendency to scream out lies on air that he obviously does not fact check. He does that quite a bit to the point of nauseum.
Examples?
Isn’t he a heel announcer
I mean... that's kind of the point of his CHARACTER, he's a HEEL! The fact that he won the award just means he's doing his job right! Matthew Polinsky thanks YOU, WoN fans, AND (most importantly) Dave Meltzer for the honor of being given this award!!!
No I don't know him personally but I think he'll enjoy people hating his announcing character!
@@JacksonOwex I agree with your sentiment but you can be a heel announcer and not be annoying to listen to. I think Wade does a great job at exactly that
@@SuperDaidai14 Man look at Nigel McGuinness when he was in NXT. That’s a perfect heel announcer. The man sides with heels gives everyone their dues but never just makes shit up to support the heels. Corey is oftentimes just straight up spitting nonsense just for the sake of siding with the heel even though it doesn’t make sense
While I also think Roman being on the overrated list is wrong… I think it’s more of a case of where his championship matches always end with bloodline interference and there was a time period where I was just like “bro this is the same exact match we’ve been watching for the past year” LMFAO
Roman should have been the most overrated I stand by this, he's trash in the ring
Notice alot of saltness on here !!!! One bad show and all the podcasts are going crazy especially this one .I though you boys were better than that ,but oh well the life eh!!! Aleast Jd is level headed and truthful with bad points and good points of both companies with there creative lol
Two guys with a youtube show criticize guy who ran a wrestling company that was getting 6s in the ratings... lmfao... yeah.. I'm gonna go with eric on this one.
Betas will beta
Your njpw hatred is showing
How can these two agree with Moxley being wrestler of the year?
There's a strong case for it. Moxley put his vacation and recovery time on hold to fill AEW's main event scene and carry the title until CM Punk and Kenny Omega came back from their injuries. And then when the Brawl Out happened he did the same thing again to transition the belt onto MJF. 2022 was the year of Mox working himself to bone to bail TK out of mess after mess.
@@Humorless_Wokescold that's a case but not a strong case
@@bobshrubb3067 You're not looking at the award the right way, though most of the complainers AREN'T! Moxley DEFINITELY deserves the award
@@JacksonOwex oh what an argument, he deserves it because you said he does, I'll forget about the on-screen blading the indie matches with gay guys wanking and smoking during matches and kissing his opponents, awful fake tough guy promos,
@@JacksonOwex I'm looking at the awards from the perspective of anti WWE bias bullshit being peddled by an echoe chamber