This might be the best i've seen, but hes only SILVER?!
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- I was so impressed by this student's performance, but he was only silver!
Coaching silver mid Lissandra vs. Lux
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To kill Lux ~6:00 mark he needed to overlap his crowd control better and weave in more auto attacks during the crowd control duration. It doesn't look like he autos in-between his root and his ultimate's stun and the root was only half done when he used his ult. Learning how to overlap crowd control to get the most bang for your buck is an important tool.
I believe the term youre looking for is called layering. Neace would say "better layering".
@@WelsyCZ That's just a made up buzz phrase slang term.
Thinking about not overlapping the duration of your CC skills is actually a more specific and direct way of conveying the same message, without some weird slangs.
Most other people would call it a "cc chain" or how you "chain your cc". "overlap" or "layering" actually give the wrong message, since those words imply to stack them on top of each other, which is the complete wrong message. Something like a "chain" is actually what you're trying to accomplish. You aren't trying to "layer" anything.
The most effective use is to actually have a small gap in between instances of CC, and it will also allow you to move and auto more during those time spacings.
you want him to aa the barrier XDD
He could have e faster if the e is slight over the "center of the wall" so he closes the gap faster for aa and abilites. But it could be a trivial thing. I think weaving autos and chaining cc are important.
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I like that this student is a normal dude too. He's not sitting there interrupting you over and over again to give shitty excuses or to argue. Very refreshing, great content Neace!
Thanks ! I try to be respectful, I know Neace is only trying to help me. He did an awesome job
QUIN69!! Let's be loud and give excuses about everything.
@@guitar_george Sick name too, u a toto fan by any chance? :P
@@RandomUserYTisFailing you literally have no clue what you are on about dude. Tyler1 is an extremely chill and friendly person when he's not playing a character. Sounds like you got banned so now you wanna whine lol
@@guitar_george I think you did awesome. I play like the Lux and always find myself oom. I have a lot to learn about laning and mana management. I've always been in gold but that was primarily Renekton, Mundo, Maokai, Rumble and supports so Maokai was my only laning experience with a mana champ. It funny to see someone who plays mid like me called a potato and realizing I have a lot to work on.
Thanks for the coaching! I appreciate it so much
You'll blow past Gold. Gl o/
Best player on this channel. Malded at every other studnet
Do you in fact know all the chords, Guitar George?
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@@korbinmdavis indeed i don't think the swing gods approve if not XD
Let's talk about the Janna drag steal at 5:16 love to see it.
Good observation
That was my thought too. I just sat there staring at it. Pretty nice.
Damn the first five minutes of farming was really satisfying to watch. He only missed 7 creeps in the first 5 minutes. He hit 85% of his first back CS and had reliable gold to play with. I wish more clients practiced this before they came to coaching.
correct but playing against the bot lux, ultra passive, that should way ease to focus farm
17:18 that was super impressive. Probably 95% of players would have left the brush there, but he stays in cover and sure enough, his erstwhile attacker decides he's not there and leaves. Way to stay cool under fire.
technically he did step out of the brush for like 0.01s but still impressive.
His camera control seems already way better than most people in silver/gold
He has been playing since lissandra was released
He played Zac and Lissandra. He must be.
I struggle without using locked screen
His farming too. Hardly missed any
im diamond 2 and only play locked, I've unbound the free camera button since s3
5:40 The layering of cc was definitely off as the student R'd before the W root was finished. More importatly, though, if he had led with Q into R after the root instead of ulting first, the Q likely would have been off CD at the very end to snipe the kill post Lux flash. Also the layering of the cc wasted the slow from Q as I'm pretty sure it was cast right after R.
He just had to hold his ignite a bit when she used barrier to get one more tick
@@leuviah3340 Band is right if u want perfect, but u r simpler and also it would work
The best thing ever is when neace is genuinely impressed, so awesome to see. And his confidence must be through the roof after this!
Use Q sooner and hold W till after R ends. This way he could have used 1 more Q and Lux would take much longer to get under her tower
Right answer
@5:17 no one noticed the BLIND janna steal on Drake... amazing!!
if i had teammates like this the chemistry would be so good. i always think "wat would neace tell me to do right now" and play the macro. still hard stuck because of my tilted mental tho
5:43 either instantly ult into q/w ignite , or ignite after barrier pops. otherwise flash after his play was done for second auto
him igniting early has no effect, his instinct to ignite and neace's call to ignite were timed very close together. he just needs to practive auto weaving and cc value.
I’m still in silver and it’s weird because I feel like he exhibits what’s typical in a lot of my games. I assume he is NA and like Neace has said NA mechanics are typically good but just not sure what to do in certain situations. I feel like if Neace is able to help him learn the thought processes that need to take place mid and late game he will rise quickly!
This perfectly describes me! You nailed it
When has Neace said that? I was specifically wondering about that 'cause I feel like most of his students are from NA and they have bad mechanics, therefore NA must have worse mechanics overall.
1722:
The little chuckle xD so relatable.
It really did feel like that.
Really wish Neace would add a logo in corner of the thumbnail for he role the video is focusing on. Would make it easier to find videos based on learning goals. Still love it all the same
love watching Neace every morning! its my new good mythical morning!
You just brought so many memories back holy shit .
Good mythical morning!
If he hold ignite after lux barriers he kills her, also if he q right away he would have second one to finish her - he would walk up behind minion and q instead last auto attack
Walk towards her tower as she's stunned/rooted to prevent her from escaping as easily. Continue auto attacking and weaving in Q's as they go off cooldown
Great video!
I actually learned a lot of this video.
Do not look at enemy items, if your team already have a lot of ad/ap, rush for penetration.
And also, depending on the pick, you must either play the game slow or force fights.
Thanks for the video, Neace!
15:06 should have been an IMMEDIATE Stopwatch use since Summoner Spells were down and the student had a bounty of his own to protect. Would have easily outplayed Aatrox there.
BIG TIP THIS GAME!!!! IF YOUR WHOLE TEAM IS IN BASE MID-LATE GAME JUST GO BACK AND SYNC UP WITH THE TEAM
5:15 BRO THAT JANNA REALLY STOLE IT WITH TORNADO
5:40 If he'd come into lane on her side of the wall instead of through river, he'd have had more time to auto first, w to root, q and more autos, then followed up with the ult. He might have even been able to save the e to chase if he needed to. He layered up the root times of the w and the ult and couldnt hold her as long
"void next"
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5:18 Janna steals drag with q lol, how did they not comment on that 😂😂😂
delaying the ult by abit so he gets a longer cc chain, he's not bad definitely for silver just not confident in his play. Just a player who needs time to limit test and figure out stuff
At 5:45 he opens his combo with W>Delay>R>Q>Ignite. He held his Q and R for quite a bit before using it (at least a full second), maybe he was trying to weave in auto attacks. If he had opened the combo with an INSTANT R>Q>Ignite, it would have prevented lux from using her Q and since R stuns instead of roots, he could reposition to W right before/after lux's inevitable flash.
By using Q earlier, it would have likely been up for another cast at the end of his combo if he spreads his CC out just a little more efficiently. The only thing that prevented him from getting the kill was that he took lux's Q to the face when he could have started his combo with R and not been rooted. Lux's barrier and flash wouldn't have mattered if he had been able to reposition.
Layer the cc. For liss its E in, Q, auto,ignite, R, auto (orb walk), auto, auto, another q if its back in time
This dude Is Better than the lissandras I usually meet in D2/D1.
If you read this, Just onetrick the champ.
You'll climb.
Lissandra is objectively a shit champ though. If he finds lissandra really fun though then sure it'd be a good idea to one trick her in low elo. The way this guy was playing, if he picked a champion that was B tier or above, he'd climb faster
Neace, 14:09 , "it's pretty easy to get out of this".
Me, watching: Uhm.... UHMMM....
14:21: They actually played it well too
Me: Bro my heart can barely withstand this
Yeah it's a nightmare scenario. It's like having an aggressive dinosaur captured but the jail it's about to be teared apart.
Because it's a fucking dinosaur. So you kinda wonder do I sit here and try to capture him again, but how? Or do I try to run away before it shreds me.
If it doesn't die, it's literally your turn to move and lose.
This dudes awesome. He actually listens
Really good for a silver! Good camera control and listened well. Zhonya needed work, that comes with using the item more
Play fiddlesticks for zhonyas practice
If he ignites immediately, he gets more ignite ticks before lux can hit barrier
the Zack screen and then the lasandra?! That's exactly when I started playing too!!
Also ulting yourself into zhonyas can be very powerful in team fights.
free coaching man.. literally thanks for these videos
rly good focus on ur end neace, great coaching.
After he e'd in he needed to q + quto, then ult, which would give his q long enough to come off cd again and extend his combo
6:00 - after E should start with Q and chain cc her with W and R so our Q is back up. During cc we can even AA her one or two times before our Q is up.
My knowledge of League and rotations have improved so much after I started watching Neace and one other dude. If you wanna learn adc I would suggest playing Aphelios in norms. You are forced to perfect your cs and positioning or you're useless. Best champ to learn the role.
Edit: the other guy is coach blaker
5:43 "Lissandra" is an anagram of "Sir Sandal"
idk if you check this comment , but when lissandra is bursting lux she obviously will barrier , he either should have ignited FIRST thing , which i dont recommend , or wait untik she uses barrier then ignite cause ignite outlast# barrier or his usage of ignite made her tank 70% of it while it usually wouldve only blocked 40% 50% of it , id say its his ignite usage , shouldve either ignited FIRST or LAST
Dragon steal by Janna lmaooo 5:15
@neace any chance you could link me full live VOD? I was looking for it on FB, unfortunately in the last 24 weeks, there was just one lissandra live on facebook. Sadge
he could have spread out his CC from W and R, and moved in between her and the tower, for the extra autos i guess?
Don't know why you get hate from comments, specially from tiktok as i've seen. You are coaching. And people are hating you for telling them what they do wrong.
People need to understand even the small mistakes can makes a difference, and be the reason you see victory instead of defeat.
Atleast, i enjoy your content, Neace. Keep it up, great video. And a great player for being silver!
He gonna climb for sure if he takes his lessons with him for future games.
there was 1 cs under tower on that first kill attempt so since he didnt have turret agro, he coulve walked in under tower after lux untill the shield dropped and then auto her for the kill with the ignite ticking as the 1 cs couldve tanked 1 more tower hit.
Its crazy how good someone can be when they listen to the coach they payed for. This is the the reality of neace coaching.
I am not familiar with the details of 50% of the champions' kits in league, but from the 8 years of moba experience i have elsewhere and knowing lux kit quite well, its obvious that she is looking to Q immediately when shes trying to get away. There's no reason to not anticipate that response and side step left or right. That would have made that kill almost trivial getting to auto her even one more time. Probably could get 2 autos on her depending on how long the cc lasts relative to the atk spd on this champ
To be simplistic auto more during the w root and when it’s over then ult since it’s a point and click
He cancelled 2 autos, don't think they would matter anyways because barrier would just eat it. He also used w before r+q combo instead of r+q+auto+w+auto, would be mutch smoother and maybe get more damage trough barrier so ignite tick kills her, not sure if it kis but certainly gets you that auto that he cancelled earlier + it makes it so he can walk infront of her between basics while she is cced so he could probably get another auto off without flash. But at that point flash auto would be still good because it gets his lane ahead and he is neutral with her sums.
this is what happens when students actually listen instead of questioning everything or hesitating! to be fair though, i'd probably hesitate a lot too.
Weave more between the sides of minion waves during Q cd to make it easier to dodge poke and if Lux uses E it's only hitting a small amount of minions compared to the entire wave.
missed auto but i dont think it mattered, could start with q and cc layer properly so q is back up or ing when barrier runs out
hey i saw in one of your videos you using something called macro mentor and i cant find it anywhere. where can i download it?
Idk if u can barrier if she Rd first then ignite. That and he could of orb walked forward more during his R on the all in .he just left a small gap in his combo on the first possible kill.
I figured out why we all move so weird. Lux was and still is a Staple of the Low elo champ pool in 2 of the 3 lanes. Mind Blown
Glad to see another lissandra main trying to get out of silver. Good job bro!
If your a Liss main also check out my highlights and replays currently trying to leave silver
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Lux doesn’t heal, but the damage from ignite was absorbed by barrier. He could have killer her by holding ignite until barrier came down, or on the tail end of it.
Could've killed without flash at 6:00, but a simple Flash+aa would've gotten the job (Lux survived with 22 hp).
15:05 Lux should've been the one we want. R Aatrox, ignite, Q, W, stopwatch, Lux shows, E to Lux, aa, Q to kill.
Also Neace, please kindly remind your client to use stopwatch.
Or 5:30 just hold on the ignite a tiny bit more to let one more tick and get the kill (let the barrier disappear a bit more)
At 11:30 I thought the Vex was going to get away
u know you swagging when neace dont shout
5:45 would kill with Auto Attack cancels
I think pink ward usage is dependent on elo. Spending 150 gold for two pink wards in that elo, when vision isn’t really being contested, is a huge waste imo. People don’t even know how important vision is in silver/gold 😅
I'm silver and my mates never have vision outside of support
5:40 no aa's at all, only 1 during combo: he did E+W+AA+R+ignite+Q. Could do E+AA+Q+AA(q aa reset for electro)+W(lux is 100% in range, cause she stops to cast root+slowed)+ingnite+AA+AA+R+AA+AA+Q to the back if she still survives (this is how I would've played it, yes ignite into barrier, most likely like the guy did, but still, I'm pretty sure that would've killed)..
Run theory in practice tool- ye should be a kill around 1200-1378 damage max depending on rune choice and execution ofc, higher with "scorch", but "transcendence" is fine too, just need to move a bit in-between "last" 4 aa's and R as u want to hug her after root on you expires. (lux has around 942 hp and 40 mr)
The way he gets the kill is by not overlapping R stun with W root, instead going for an AA while the W is still in effect. After that you can micro other stuff like walking towards her tower in between spells to maybe squeeze in one more auto even.
At 28:00 where you tsof died, then flash the Lux Q or be so close she misses it, those 2 would of died
And since Vex is the one who feared him making him unable to E over and flank the Jinx, she could of popped her aswell.
Ofcourse this is in hinsight, but Vex really was 1 Q or W away from death and he had F & Zhonyas, so could of gotten a triple potentially if not double for sure.
Dank Video though.
that janna steal lmfaooooooooo
i was screaming XD please USE YOUR ZONYAH XD ahahahha the whole game item never been used xD
He could have held his ultimate for a bit longer so he could get his q back up when his ultimate finish
Quick question,
A lot of my friends and people tell me if you’re the hard carry you shouldn’t be building things like anti heal. Is this always the case though?
Or in situations like this into a Kayn and aatrox you kind of need it yourself anyways? Thanks
In a lot of the later team fights I think the student could stand to be more decisive throwing R. He doesn’t recognize when he’s in a position to cc lock the kayn or aatrox out of drain tanking fast enough.
Maybe needs a bit stronger understanding of when they’re looking to use big CDs to heal and he’s in a position to preempt it
Id invite this guy back for a free coaching oncw in a while. Truly promising
After W first auto, then Q into R -> auto again then Q + ignite should do the job.
her throw shield baton ability
I don't play Lissandra but if Neace told me to force the fight I would R + Ignite the second I got in range then follow up with the rest of her kit.
i was thinking other than the abilities perspective of use combo, more like when he uses liss dash(which is e?) since his dash reaches anyways he couldve waited in the brush for the potential that there wasnt any vision instead of showing and telling self and i think it mightved ended differently cause if i recall correctly it seemed that when liss appeared on mid she walked towards the center of lane and more away from the e? it also could provide a element of surprise vs just tellign on urself and she mightve reacted a bit late with flash barrier?
At @19:17 you say they have MR out the ass, but there are only 2 champs with merc treads. Do merc treads cut the magic damage enough to justify staff, or are you anticipating that they will buy more? IMO vs just boots I grab Shadow Flame.
You can tell Neace was having fun
Hey neace i am a month late but i have a question regarding the gameplay? Wouldn't it be better if he stacked seeker's armguard before he builds zhonias? Because i always try to fully max it before i build zhonias to get that bonus armor
Ult into auto Q W ignite would've killed. Ignite after she barriers, not before because that extra burn damage would burn off a little of her shield at the end & kept burning her, rather than burning her a little and then the rest of the burn going towards the shield.
If he coaches me he just might throw the whole computer, especially the way I still click to upgrade😂😭😂😭
ok about the fight at 5:45 he use his E W and that is fine. After that HE SHOULD AA and then ult because of the stun from W she cant get away and after that just Q-AA-ignite and its done.
Overall, he miss the kill by just 1 auto attack :)
Igniting after barrier pops would've been a safer better. If I'm wrong, I believe the answer would be the opposite of igniting early?
5:44 walk into turret one more Q as it comes off cd
To answer te question on the vid, igniting after barrier time ends.
You can AA between W and R if timed.
5:45 couldn't have killed there without flash unless e hit, really impressed with the instant and repeated autos
If he layered the cc correctly he‘d easily kill without flash
This game was intense!!
At 5:50 he should have walked up with the minion instead of autoing, armor creep takes 2 tower shots and since he has boots it allows him to use his Q and walk away
17:30
Out here dodging shit like Neo, like damn
To kill at around 630~ go E R auto q w auto
Ignite somewhere, it doesn't have a cast time so it really doesn't matter when. Ideally after her barrier, though.
TLDR: Layer cc better and weave autos
14:21 damnnn niceee
This is the second coaching I've seen you do against a Lux matchup, and you don't talk about not standing in your minions so that she has to choose between wave clear and poke - this guy especially ate so many Lux E's while in the middle of his creeps. Is there a reason for not giving that note to your clients? I feel like it's pretty common knowledge when vs Lux so I'm wondering if there's some 5-head reason not to...
Agreed
This is correct most of the time, however in this game:
1. Enemy jg is kayn where he can use walls/terrain to gank easily. Being out of the wave means ur more susceptible to ganks forcing u to use E more often which gives up lane prio.
2. Lissandra wants to shove and roam, so she needs to be standing infront of the wave so that her abilities (mainly Q and W ) can hit most of the minions
Hey NEACE ! I have a question... in this scenario instead of lux if it was a champ with energy instead of mana how can we manage the "backs" ? Thanks and love ur videos!
ignite later ofc, let the barrier tick down a bit
5:40 cc layer was a bit off but also just simply walking a bit closer to tower while combos were layered to get in more autos