Apologies for the lag between video & audio; I recorded this in my live-streaming platform, which I typically don't do. Thanks so much to everyone who joined our trade deadline streams and to our wonderful Discord members! Good luck Tommy, we'll miss you bud 💙
Hertl is just a great player, not elite. He's only had more points than games once. By the time the sharks would be competitive, he'd be dead weight. It seems like Grier is planning to be competitive in 4-5 years and build HIS team. He's waiting out certain contracts and will only have Vlasic to deal with.
I'm curious to see what Pitt fans will do without the best player in the league on their team...in '84 it looked like they may move. Lemieux still couldn't get the Pens a profit...then Crosby saved them again...well, he's not going to be around in a few years.
@@sportsfix6975 Financially, the team is on solid ground with good ownership in Fenway Sprots Group, but the on-ice product is what I'm nervous about. I hope there is a silver lining to this season with a draft pick in the first round that will actually help this team in the future.
VGK fan coming in peace. It is just about universally accepted here that we completely fleeced the Sharks in the trade. If we didn't get the 3rd rounders, or salary wasn't retained it would have been pretty balanced. But all the factors together has to be a hard pill to swallow. Fans wise, we will take care of Hertl.
fleeced is a bit of an exaggeration. Truth be told no one will know how this deal turns out for a few years. it will favor the knights for the next couple, then hopefully the tide turns. Hertl has bionic legs and likely the second half of that deal will not be kind to Vegas. It was a deal the Sharks had to make as he does not fit into future plans by the time we are ready to compete.
@@MikeVarela-j6vit’s a great deal for the sharks, this will most likely be the last hoorah for the knights (judging by their play as of late) and they are going to have that horrendous contract.
@@MikeVarela-j6vif Vegas wins another cup or two nobody will care what the back half looks like. Vegas is in position to win now and that’s all that matters
As a Vegas fan, I don’t even consider the Sharks as our rivals anymore, I just feel bad for y’all. I genuinely hope they’re competitive again soon. A good Sharks team is good for hockey
Knights fan here, I miss those battles we had those first few years. My best friend is a Sharks fan and we’d always go to the bar for the games, we don’t do that anymore. Despite the intense feelings I’ve had towards the Sharks, I hate to see the current state they’re in but unfortunately it happens. Every team at some point has a low point. The Sharks made the Playoffs like 23 times in their first 26 years of existence, something like that. Very proud franchise, I know they’ll pull through at some point and hopefully we can watch some playoff caliber battles. Totally stoked to get a player of Hertls’ caliber. Every now and then I have to go back and watch the highlights of his 4 goal game vs the Rangers! Couldn’t be happier to have this guy on the team.
I still watch every game , but my friends who were long time fans don’t anymore . It’s gonna be like 5 years before the sharks are any good again . What I am STILL angry about is Pavelski . Nothing will top that .
Ugh. It's always terrifying, waiting to see which team gets screwed the hardest at the deadline. As a Vancouver fan, I am used to crap leadership, but damn, dude. This is rough.
Sharks save about 7 million on salary cap over 6 years and the trade will look better after a couple of years. Got to make those hard heart wrenching decisions if you want to win the cup.
@@dankdank9837the sharks don’t want big names, they had to commit to the tank, DW wouldn’t, you have to tear it ALL down, start drafting good, and bring up young players. Eklund is turning into a star, musty and will smith look like new corner stones in the minors etc. the future looks bright
^^ So I hear! A bit of wishful thinking on my end, but if he pans out into a top-4 d-man, then it's a great trade for us. Good luck with the Duke! Actually, Brisbois did a good job with limited buying power this time.
There's 2 teams that shocked me that they never won a championship. 2010s Sharks and 1990's Flyers. Both teams made it to a finals once each, but fell short. The Joe Thornton Sharks were so strong, but they were tormented by a defensive powerhouse King's team. The Lindros led Flyers had the same trouble struggling against Hall of Fame goalies in the East in Hasek and Brodeur. I think the Sharks teams were more complete because they had better goaltending than Phlly had in the 90's. At least the Sharks have a decent chance at picking 1st or 2nd in the coming draft.
First time watching the stream, been a die hard fan since the team's creation. You said literally everything I was thinking. You got a new follower here brother
we'll get thru it man, these next few year will be pretty bad, but let's look forward to eky, smith, shak, musty, zetts, bordeleau, edstrom, and many more young studs. We'll get thru it 🙏🙏
The Sharks need to also lower ticket prices. For how they have been playing it’s been crazy how the ticket prices are. I feel they are losing money each game that happens because of how many people are in the stands.
It really sucks when your favorite team is a stinker with no end in sight. One day the Sharks will raise the Stanley Cup, and to all the fair weather fans you can say, "Welcome aboard! Where have you been?"
Man i feel ur hurt & its so raw that it helps me as a newby to hockey to understand this particular deal. Its great that you are a Sharks fan thru thick & thin but that ur love of hockey lets u enjoy the sport for what it is; Fantastic!! Enjoy them beers mate & from the UK, good luck & cheers for ur insightful content.
Man Nick believe me when I say I FEEL ya on this one. I absolutely could not believe the return on this trade. It’s also amplified when you consider who he’s going to. Grier has been so hit and miss but there really is no way to justify this trade. I will say as one thing though. Hertl should have been traded last season. The contract that DW signed him to is a huge factor in why we got so little in return. We just gotta keep the faith that this team will improve and maybe one day we can get back to the glory days!
@@TwistedWristerHockeyGrier had no choice? How are you supposed to move this contract without retaining and sending 3rd rounders? Hertl is injury prone on a terrible team deal. Look at the Meier deal, already looks amazing a year removed
I'm so sorry Nick. Watching this broke my heart for you and the true Sharks fans out there. I can't even imagine your fury and how upset ypu must be. Please keep strong bro and keep up your passion. These are the lows... highs will come
As a Sabres fan I encourage Sharks fans to ride this out. Stay patient and don’t rush the rebuild so that you have a larger window to win a cup later on. Or of course so you don’t end up in the endless hell we are in lol. Many of my fellow Sabres fans want to rush our rebuild just to make the playoffs. Mike Grier is in a tough spot with limited assets. Stay the course!
I’m just happy the new GM embraced the tank so fast, so many teams like Vancouver don’t embrace it and suck perpetually for over a decade. I’m hoping if we bring up youth next year it’s at least entertaining
Seattle fan here--I *want* to make a joke about how you just gave Hertl to one of the teams the Kraken are trying to catch up to in the wild card race (this is copium, dont take it too seriously), but...FUCK, dude, I can't bring myself to. I hope when all's said and done you guys are rewarded for your suffering with a cup-winning *dynasty*, you deserve it.
Many of you all are grossly underestimating Edstrom. I like much of his development this year (he’s now better than a 32rd pick) and he will be at least as good as Hertl in at most 3 years. Moreover, Hertl was a bad contract for the Sharks now, and retaining only 17% of his salary is great. I understand the point about defense prospects, though. Yes, they need more defense prospects than forwards, but Edstrom will be good.
As a life long Sharks fan since 91 this is probably the worst the team has ever looked. Been through some bad seasons but nothing like this one. Seats are empty at every game. Not sure what management is even doing right now 😕
Gonna get worse before it gets better unfortunately. Been a Shark fan my entire life, almost in the playoffs every single year since 06-07. Stay faithful man the young bucks are looking good on the squad 👍
Best I can say is embrace the tank. Learn to love it and root for the Ls to pile up... It worked for the hawks last year, maybe it's your turn this year. As much as i'd like to see Celebrini on the hawks, him going to SJ would be great for the NHL. I'd love for the 2 top dogs in the west be the Hawks and the Sharks again after long but successful rebuilds.
As a vegas fan, we have the buffed team. But, they have to work out the kinks, havent been playing the best. Well see what happens when hertl comes back and if stone returns
I love Couture, not only because he grew up in my home town of Guelph but because He's just a great guy and hockey player... But I really still think Hertl was more of a face then Couture. Sad to see him go, especially for that.
This trade doesn’t make a ton of sense.. especially when you factor in that we gave up 2 3rd round picks AND retained 17% of his contract for 6 years!! Why.. ? the only way Grier should’ve traded Hertl is if a team called with an undeniable offer which included no retention and no draft picks going back. This was not that. Hertl is a mentor for the young guys coming up and he’s a great example of a hard working center who doesn’t take short cuts. Granlund, Hoffman, Barabonov are all guys who should’ve been moved at this deadline and who could’ve gotten us 2nd, 3rd and 4th round draft picks or some prospects. After this season , Couture has 3 yrs left on his deal and Vlasic has 2 yrs left on his. Those are essentially all that’s left of the bad contracts for aging players. Which is fine, Sharks still are required to meet the cap floor each season and they won’t be competitive for probably 4 years. I really hope the Sharks win the lotto and get Celebrini but if they do not and pick #2 or #3 expect them to target a RD defenseman, like Levshunov out of MSU. Either way Sharks will be a very young exciting team in 3-4 years and Vegas will be in ruins just way worse off than the Sharks were with all their horrible contacts . Vegas is also currently seeded in the #8 wild card spot and have been struggling tremendously the past 10 games . It would be interesting and also hilarious if they did end up missing the playoffs this year… it’s very much a possibility.
You don’t need that big of a contract to “mentor” the young players. People last year were clowning the sharks for the Meier deal, but it gave them tons of flexibility. Cap and space is everything. It’s why the sharks are getting all the good young prospects right now
I feel ya bro. I’m an avs fan but I think if we traded someone like Miko rantanen and two third round picks and got question marks in return. Heads up bro and hopefully that prospect becomes a core player like pavelski or burns or Thornton or marleau
What I meant is if miko was traded and we decided to pay his salary as another team enjoyed his talents, I’d be beyond depressed. I hope the sharks future looks better for you man.
The 1st we get from Vegas is likely gonna be very late. The quality of player still likely that of a high 2nd round picked player ~ the two 3rd's from SJ will likely be so early in the 3rd they're akin to late 2nd round player in quality. This trade might be a fleece. Hertl will be a beast for them in the playoffs, because he does so many things well. Grier reallllly should of held on to this, made this deal in the summer, asked Hertl to have a list of teams he'd be good with and then start negotiating
As a knights fan I’m happy we got hertl but David edstrom is a really good center prospect… his floor I think is a high level 3 line center, with 2 line center play like William karlsson potential… a very good 2 way forward. Would have preferred to give up this years first round pick instead.
Wilson was the one destroying our franchise with clown contracts. Grier is now doing the ugly part to clean it up. This trade was necessary for us. we needed to get hertls contract of the books and we did get two assets out of it. It will take a few years but we will get back. We are lucky to be in the bottom of the standings and be able to farm the best prospects. Every team with the most succes are the teams that have been in the bottom before and gotten the best picks
This last minute trade at deadline looks like a panic buy by Mike Grier, and I agree that the return for best player on Sharks was dismal and retention of salary for 6 years wrong, or at least that this deal would not have survived an overnight think or reconsideration in a calm and cool hour. Hertl was central to being competitive in next 5 years and selling him off means much more suffering for Sharks fans as they see Vegas win big with Hertl and other stars, including Adin Hill. What Sharks dispose of becomes the gold in other teams. This trade winds back the Sharks development so that they win later rather than sooner if these new prospects and picks turn out in 5 years. Hertl should have been an untouchable Shark for life and never traded.
I’m not a Sharks fan, but there’s no reason the Sharks needed to throw two 3rds into the deal to make it happen. Retaining until 2030 should of at the very least have kiboshed the thirds requirement.
Sorry mate, but I'm not with you regarding this trade. This was the price the Sharks had to pay for signing hertl in the first place, a way too big contract for a player past his prime now 30+ for 6 more years. 6.5 mil in cap space wisely spent can be so much better than hertl, + a first rounder + a guy that's doing good for frölunda . . . I think greer did pretty good cleaning up the mess he inherited🤔🤔
I know if this trade was made with a team other than the Knights, I wouldn't be so frustrated. I will say though that I would be more understanding if the prospect played a position that we are in need of more - like a defenseman or goaltender. I think you raise good points though.
It's easy as a Knights fan to roll into the comments section and sound fake-humble AF , but we will absolutely treat Hertl right. He seems like a really good dude and I know his character was a big consideration by McCrimmon in the trade. I feel bad for what the Sharks fans are going through (even the ones that outright hate the Knights and their fans) but I hope some time down the line the Sharks get an honest to god crack at a Cup and renew the division rivalry with the Knights.
Not to dampen the mood or anything but you guys got gifted Bedard. Hawks didn’t have to go through the pains like normal smaller market teams. Right after losing your marquee players you get another franchise talent. I know I’m not in the minority either by thinking this. Thanks for the sympathies. Maybe if we can Mack it will make this bad trade feel better. With the Hawks right at the bottom, it’s hard to be confident.
@@kialbonetti1997 So I understand where you are coming from, and respect it, but let me add some context. I have been a Blackhawks fan my entire life (34 years). What most fans forget is that in 2004, the Blackhawks were voted the worst franchise in all of professional sports for how bad that team was run. Home games were not on TV, prospects were traded, they had to PAY radio stations to broadcast games, they disrespected former players by nickel and dimming them to pay for their own equipment, and the list goes on. You could fire a cannon in that arena and not hit anybody. Amidst all that, they had not won a Stanley Cup since 1961. I know what it is like to be at the bottom and see a team rebuild. Luck is involved, no doubt, but that’s sports right? I certainly didn’t expect to get 1st overall. No one did. We hoped for it and as luck would have it, we got it. I like that our GM is building a team through the draft. I think yours is going to do it the right way too.
Honestly, we need to get over it. It is a business. We can blame Grier all we want but he inherited a mess that he is fixing on the fly. The decisions made before his arrival is why we are where we are as a franchise. This is not suppose to be a quick fix and we as a fanbase need to stop thinking this is the end all be all. Rebuilds take time and Grier has put this team to be in position to sign FAs and re-sign players on the team that are performing for years to come. Things will get better but it takes time. For the return for Hertl, it would have been more in 2022. He should never been re-signed. Why? The Sharks were trying to cling onto the playoff vibes from 3 years prior but that was a poor decision from management. In 2024, a 30 year old, 8 plus million for the next 6 years and will slowing decline over those 6 years, injury prone… the fact Grier got 2 1st round picks (Edstrom being the 2nd 1st round pick) with only 17 percent retention is a win. With the cap going up, the retention on Hertl won’t matter every year from now to 2030. As a fan, this sucks. Traded to VGK of all places… Hertl had to approve it. His NMC limited the return. Grew up in the Bay Area for a decade and change, saw him grow to be an awesome hockey player and human being and make us like him more than the average player. But this is the sad reality of losing, people will leave. Things change. The timeline did not fit for Hertl. We all need to accept that.
It's not the same sport, but the same style of approach of future success in a rebuild.... My Orioles had a such a 5-year rebuild plan. So, I feel ya! Albeit it was cut a year short due to the big team's major league success. It did suck to suck for a few years. (Hopefully, the MLB-NHL analogy translates) My honest hope, the Sharks get some veterans on this club to get some fans at the stadium. Who knows? They could teach the prospects tremendously.
Feel like a well ran MLB rebuild can be done in half the time of an NHL one. This can be due to the international pool of players to choose from. Baseball has 40 rounds in its draft compared to 7.
I was at school so I couldn’t watch the livestream but I can say the Golden Knights might be the most hated team not only in hockey but in sports as a whole now. Getting star players every single year and always winning reminds me of the old New England Patriots dynasty. Now everyone from the 2016 Stanley Cup Finals Sharks team is gone.
I don't understand all the hate for VGK. Management is doing what they can to win all while staying within the rules. All other 32 teams can do it too, some just choose not to. I believe all the hate stems from jealousy of the VGK being so good from day one. Jealousy just got amplified by 1000x when we won the cup.
@@alohastate8256 You don't understand the hate? It's no coincidence when now 3 years in a row Stone conveniently gets hurt so Vegas can circumvent the cap. Vegas will be 19 MILLION over the cap when Stone once again conveniently comes back healthy game 1 of the playoffs. It's just ridiculous that people don't think this isn't being done on purpose. 🤦
@@beastbeats9159 I find it funny when people say "Stone conveniently gets hurt" That's just an excuse to try and justify what VGK is doing is wrong. There is no way he is getting hurt on purpose. I 100% much rather have him healthy. We are struggling without him right now. Yes, we will be well above the salary cap IF he comes back, but is it Vegas fault that these are the rules. Vegas is doing absolutely nothing wrong, while trying to improve the team to win the Cup...again.
@@alohastate8256 so 3 years in a row doesn't seem like one of the most convenient things to happen in sports? God forbid he gets injured a week after the deadline right? 19 million over the cap is absolutely ludacris. I'm not saying Vegas is breaking a rule, but it's extremely unethical to keep doing it year after year, with the same player, during the same point in time. It's unethical because we all know Stone will be fully healthy game 1 of the post season. That's not how injuries work, especially timelines in hockey are never clear, but with Stone and the Golden Knights it's always PERFECT timing. 3 years in a row isn't a coincidence, say what you want. All the hate Vegas gets is completely backed up when they keep doing stuff like this. 🤷 Might as well put the entire team on LTIR and have a 200 million dollar roster 😂 because as long as they make the post season they won't be breaking any rules right? What a joke of an excuse. Vegas doesn't deserve a damn thing after giving a bag of pucks for Hertl. The LA Dodgers of hockey lmao
@@beastbeats9159 Ill take the comparison to the Dodgers as a compliment. LOL Better than being compared to the A's (who are coming here 🤮) You are aware that the NHL sends it's doctors to verify the legitimacy of these injuries right??? Oh wait, you're probably going to say " Its Bettmans doctors going to check on Bettmans love child Knights" As Knights fans, we hear it all. Like your "perfect timing injuries" BS. GTFO! LMAO! At the end of the day, we have the Cup and there is nothing anybody can do to take it away from us. Boy am I gonna enjoy the comment section when we repeat.
Everyone was reporting how bad the trade was And that was when the 3rds were all going TO San Jose??? Must have gotten something crazy on camera last trip to Vegas to have that much blackmail material on the GM…. 🤦♂️
Hard to stomach today. I feel your value comes from how you leverage that 6M freed from hertl the next few years if you can get cap dumps for contracts or facilitate more trades with that space
Every season, I hope for a sharks turn around. Im a canes fan and I hate seeing other non-traditional markets sruggle. "Real" NHL fans dog us regardless of our performance simply because of our location. The moves the sharks have made in recent years have always left a positve affect on me(obviously because we got burns). But seriously, I thought they were making big moves to turn this team around. The Hertl trade is BEYOND me. I am offically confused. in recent seasons, the other trades made some sense due to age and the iminate rebuild. But I thought hertl was a shark. Like THE shark..you know? Idk whats going on anymore.
Sucks to see you so gutted. I was surprised to see the trade in all aspect; what they got back, the retention for another 6 years, AND to the KNIGHTS?! Tough one to swallow for sure. Sorry buddy
I wonder if this was pushed by Tomas's side wanting to play for a winner. Alternatively, what better way to make sure to finish below Chicago in the standings than to get rid of your scorers...
I personally like the trade... Like look it sucks, but the Cap is going up. Retention slots don't mean/won't mean much as we move forward. What was Tomas going to do? Toil away another few years and get a ceremony? We have to move forward in some way and each year you hold on he depriciates. It hurts, but you add another center prospect and another first into a good pool, that's going to get better. Within 3 Years we'll have about 70 Million-90 Million in Cap Space and we'll have 2 Mill in dead money, what would the ret slots do anyways in a few years? Get an extra 4th? And when we're compeittive there is NO NEED for em anyways. I liked all the trades, sans the Kahkonen one, but I had a feeling he was leaving in the summer cause he's 27.
I saw hertl as the bridge. I'm not sure if you are from Cali, but the taxes are insane. What player in their right mind would want to come here now? The scary part is that they are literally putting everything on these prospects, and they are going to have to do it alone for the most part.
@@dankdank9837Couture, and other vets are still there. Mike talked about signing new verterans in the offseason due to the massive amount of cap we'll have and about taking that next step. Brining in vets to show the kids the right way. So they won't be doing it alone.
Aw man, yeah that's a rough trade. I can't imagine being a Sharks fan right now. I just dislike Vegas because of the Fleury stuff. But man, am I ever hoping they somehow miss the playoffs. I would laugh so hard if Vegas fell out of it. We shall see, though.
0:15 just say it Nick " I am not like that crazy guy Jaws" 🤣.wait what? Salary for SIX years? Ok jokes over holy hell! I feel for ya brother! edit; don't underestimate the value of all those centers. That is what Florida did, hell even Swaggy is listed a C, we basically have 2 centers per line.
hertl to vegas was ass, especially considering the retainment. like, for god sake its one thing to trade him, its another thing to trade him to vegas, its ANOTHER THING to trade him to vegas AND pay some of his salary. god sake. GMMG is in over his head for sure.
Not understanding this rebuild... How do you fill your exemptions up for the next few years? Arizona loaded themselves up with extra picks by taking on contracts or being the middle man... Hertl until 2030. Karlsson until 26-27. That is two trades you wont be making for the next 3 years plus... Crazy asset management. And you gave Vegas 2 3rds!!!! Which will be in the top part of those rounds guaranteed. Feel bad for you guys
Pretty hat. I was surprised how much Grier had to give up to move him. And pay part of the contract for the next 6 years. I would not be happy if my team's GM did that.
If I’m allowed to give one, here’s a perspective from a Knights fan: I’m upset that we’ve continued to fleece teams left and right and I’m sure if the roles were reversed and we gave up someone like Mark Stone or Johnathan Marchessault to the sharks, we’d be just as upset and I’m not denying it. I hate that we’ve taken advantage of multiple things via the LTIR, the trade deadline, etc and I hate that we’ve brought this look upon ourselves. I can’t speak for every knights fan but Nick, know that I, myself, do not agree with this trade whatsoever, Hertl has been amazing for you guys and as you said he’s been the face of your franchise for almost half a decade and I hate that the two ownerships allowed this to happen. Yes, I understand that trades happen and this kind of stuff is normal in the sports world but this might go down as one of the biggest fleeces in NHL history. Maybe even sports history. Knights fans, including myself are having very mixed emotions because yes, we’re signing all of these players to deals that could make a difference for us in the long run and I hate that the NHL is doing nothing about it but at the same time, you’ve got solid guys on the LTIR that caused this to happen in the first place. I guess it’s one thing to get away with a trade but it’s a completely different thing to fleece your biggest rival. For the record, I’m very new to the world of hockey, only been watching for about 6-8 months to a year and been a fan of the knights since the start of the season and before anyone comes at me for being a bandwagon, I was so out of touch with hockey that I had no idea the knights won the cup. Once again, I hate that this happened, I don’t agree with the majority of what we’ve done leading up to the trade deadline.
Vegas fan here. ⚔️ Also, I personally believe Vegas is in danger of not even making the playoffs. They’re in more trouble than people seem to think. Hopefully this can help them pull it together.
In a sense, I want to see them in the playoffs and, as the Sharks fan in me, for them to meet their match. What could come of that could be a terrific series, whether it's a foe of the past getting revenge or someone else. I can think of series where my team lost but still played hard and won a couple close games, so a season like that isn't a total loss if that makes sense. Have fun with Herl though!
Get out here with that Saquon, blah blah blah. That’s the least of your problems you don’t even play New York you play in Jersey. Go Cowboys Now in hockey, you got good taste. If stick to this subject, we could be cool. How you wanna play it?
@@mikelfrance-l6x that doesn’t really support what you’re saying . Hertl isn’t a superstar but he was the face of the franchise and fan favorite for longer than Vegas have even fathomed having a team
I love this trade for the sharks. I will miss Hertl deeply though. The retention money is not that big of a deal to me but to have that slot taken up for the next 6 years might be an issue, but we don't have really anyone to retain on anymore. Also the 2025 draft looks much stronger than the 2024. I believe in the Grier train 100%. Also on your point of "too many center deoth" I kinda see where you're at with that, but also its important to consider that some of these prospects that Grier is collecting will likely not pan out. It might be nice to have those guys you can slot in if someone doesnt work out or maybe trade furthrr down the line after they have developed a bit
You get needed cap space, a young 6'3' 1st round pick center, a2025 1st, . relax. if you get the # 1 pick you could have celebrini, smith, edstrom, and bystedt down the middle for years to come with cap relief plus maybe the penguins 1st this year plus two 2nds this year and thompson just acquired on the back end plus shakir muk coming soon. The future is bright it takes time to clean up a mess, and if you read between the lines hertl publicly said at the allstar break he was going to talk to grier about his future there so he wanted out and got his wish. Relax the future is bright.
Loved hertl but he wasn't making the team any better. They retained what 1.25mil. Getting that cap off the books is what counts. Hertl is hurt pretty often too. I'm not mad about it
From an outsiders point of view I like the trade from the Sharks end. When you have a 30 year old on a big long term contract it doesn't take long for that contract to ruin a players trade value. The Sharks bit the bullet and traded him now while they could get good assets back. The return is not great but in the big picture of a rebuild I like it. Still, from a fan point of view, it stings.
Filled the last retention slot, still two more years of burns many more years of karlson and not hertl. Hopefully grandlund contract can be moved during off season. It would’ve been hard to move now without Retention. Credit on moving duclair and getting a need. Simek was moved to clear room and was needed. I truly feel this hurts now but the future has the potential to be very bright and is needed to compete with the ducks. They are completely stacked and building. Only a few years ahead of us.
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Good luck Tommy, we'll miss you bud 💙
Just an awful, awful feeling as a Sharks fan to lose our All-Star player... to our bitter rival!
I guess I can credit Grier for making this new era interesting at least lol. We will prevail...come 2028 lol. Bleed Teal as always :)
Hertl is just a great player, not elite. He's only had more points than games once. By the time the sharks would be competitive, he'd be dead weight. It seems like Grier is planning to be competitive in 4-5 years and build HIS team. He's waiting out certain contracts and will only have Vlasic to deal with.
Support your team, but us Panthers fans despise these Fool’s Golden Knights too. If it’s a Panthers/Knights final, better be ready for a show!
As a Pens fan, in terns of poor asset management I feel your pain.
I'm curious to see what Pitt fans will do without the best player in the league on their team...in '84 it looked like they may move. Lemieux still couldn't get the Pens a profit...then Crosby saved them again...well, he's not going to be around in a few years.
@@sportsfix6975 Financially, the team is on solid ground with good ownership in Fenway Sprots Group, but the on-ice product is what I'm nervous about. I hope there is a silver lining to this season with a draft pick in the first round that will actually help this team in the future.
VGK fan coming in peace. It is just about universally accepted here that we completely fleeced the Sharks in the trade. If we didn't get the 3rd rounders, or salary wasn't retained it would have been pretty balanced. But all the factors together has to be a hard pill to swallow. Fans wise, we will take care of Hertl.
Y'all always represent your fan base with class in my comments & streams, much appreciated & enjoy the rest of the season 😎👍
fleeced is a bit of an exaggeration. Truth be told no one will know how this deal turns out for a few years. it will favor the knights for the next couple, then hopefully the tide turns. Hertl has bionic legs and likely the second half of that deal will not be kind to Vegas. It was a deal the Sharks had to make as he does not fit into future plans by the time we are ready to compete.
@@MikeVarela-j6vit’s a great deal for the sharks, this will most likely be the last hoorah for the knights (judging by their play as of late) and they are going to have that horrendous contract.
@@MikeVarela-j6vif Vegas wins another cup or two nobody will care what the back half looks like. Vegas is in position to win now and that’s all that matters
@@WilliamOrtiz1 I don't know.. we FINALLY got all of our players back and healthy for game one against Dallas... we shall see...
As a Vegas fan, I don’t even consider the Sharks as our rivals anymore, I just feel bad for y’all. I genuinely hope they’re competitive again soon. A good Sharks team is good for hockey
Knights fan here, I miss those battles we had those first few years. My best friend is a Sharks fan and we’d always go to the bar for the games, we don’t do that anymore. Despite the intense feelings I’ve had towards the Sharks, I hate to see the current state they’re in but unfortunately it happens. Every team at some point has a low point. The Sharks made the Playoffs like 23 times in their first 26 years of existence, something like that. Very proud franchise, I know they’ll pull through at some point and hopefully we can watch some playoff caliber battles. Totally stoked to get a player of Hertls’ caliber. Every now and then I have to go back and watch the highlights of his 4 goal game vs the Rangers! Couldn’t be happier to have this guy on the team.
I still watch every game , but my friends who were long time fans don’t anymore . It’s gonna be like 5 years before the sharks are any good again . What I am STILL angry about is Pavelski . Nothing will top that .
Ugh. It's always terrifying, waiting to see which team gets screwed the hardest at the deadline. As a Vancouver fan, I am used to crap leadership, but damn, dude. This is rough.
Sharks save about 7 million on salary cap over 6 years and the trade will look better after a couple of years. Got to make those hard heart wrenching decisions if you want to win the cup.
Disagree. I don't think any big names will come here. I think we will know how we are looking in 27.
@@dankdank9837the sharks don’t want big names, they had to commit to the tank, DW wouldn’t, you have to tear it ALL down, start drafting good, and bring up young players. Eklund is turning into a star, musty and will smith look like new corner stones in the minors etc. the future looks bright
Jack Thompson can be a sneaky good add for SJ. Developed in Syracuse and already an ahl all star
^^ So I hear! A bit of wishful thinking on my end, but if he pans out into a top-4 d-man, then it's a great trade for us. Good luck with the Duke! Actually, Brisbois did a good job with limited buying power this time.
There's 2 teams that shocked me that they never won a championship. 2010s Sharks and 1990's Flyers. Both teams made it to a finals once each, but fell short. The Joe Thornton Sharks were so strong, but they were tormented by a defensive powerhouse King's team. The Lindros led Flyers had the same trouble struggling against Hall of Fame goalies in the East in Hasek and Brodeur. I think the Sharks teams were more complete because they had better goaltending than Phlly had in the 90's. At least the Sharks have a decent chance at picking 1st or 2nd in the coming draft.
Yeah i feel for ya guys on this one. I love seeing the raw real side of ya Nick.
First time watching the stream, been a die hard fan since the team's creation. You said literally everything I was thinking. You got a new follower here brother
As a buffalo sabres fan I feel your pain brotha
13 straight years missed for playoffs how does that taste lmao 😂😂
we'll get thru it man, these next few year will be pretty bad, but let's look forward to eky, smith, shak, musty, zetts, bordeleau, edstrom, and many more young studs. We'll get thru it 🙏🙏
The Sharks need to also lower ticket prices. For how they have been playing it’s been crazy how the ticket prices are. I feel they are losing money each game that happens because of how many people are in the stands.
It’s been under 18 dollars a game. It’s pretty cheap to get in. The promo games still pull 15K+, with a couple sellouts dead last
It really sucks when your favorite team is a stinker with no end in sight. One day the Sharks will raise the Stanley Cup, and to all the fair weather fans you can say, "Welcome aboard! Where have you been?"
oilers when through a 10 year span, canucks are finally making the playoffs again. chicago sucks dick now. it happens
Man i feel ur hurt & its so raw that it helps me as a newby to hockey to understand this particular deal. Its great that you are a Sharks fan thru thick & thin but that ur love of hockey lets u enjoy the sport for what it is; Fantastic!! Enjoy them beers mate & from the UK, good luck & cheers for ur insightful content.
Man Nick believe me when I say I FEEL ya on this one. I absolutely could not believe the return on this trade. It’s also amplified when you consider who he’s going to. Grier has been so hit and miss but there really is no way to justify this trade.
I will say as one thing though. Hertl should have been traded last season. The contract that DW signed him to is a huge factor in why we got so little in return. We just gotta keep the faith that this team will improve and maybe one day we can get back to the glory days!
Yeah had he been traded the year he became a UFA during the Wilson regime, things would be a little different.
@@TwistedWristerHockeyGrier had no choice? How are you supposed to move this contract without retaining and sending 3rd rounders? Hertl is injury prone on a terrible team deal. Look at the Meier deal, already looks amazing a year removed
I'm so sorry Nick. Watching this broke my heart for you and the true Sharks fans out there. I can't even imagine your fury and how upset ypu must be. Please keep strong bro and keep up your passion. These are the lows... highs will come
As a Sabres fan I encourage Sharks fans to ride this out. Stay patient and don’t rush the rebuild so that you have a larger window to win a cup later on. Or of course so you don’t end up in the endless hell we are in lol. Many of my fellow Sabres fans want to rush our rebuild just to make the playoffs. Mike Grier is in a tough spot with limited assets. Stay the course!
I’m just happy the new GM embraced the tank so fast, so many teams like Vancouver don’t embrace it and suck perpetually for over a decade. I’m hoping if we bring up youth next year it’s at least entertaining
Seattle fan here--I *want* to make a joke about how you just gave Hertl to one of the teams the Kraken are trying to catch up to in the wild card race (this is copium, dont take it too seriously), but...FUCK, dude, I can't bring myself to. I hope when all's said and done you guys are rewarded for your suffering with a cup-winning *dynasty*, you deserve it.
By all means, roast away! 😆
absolutley heart wrenching to see him go to Vegas, idk why they didnt look to move him in the Offseason for the best price
reminds me when Owen Nolan got traded to Toronto. sad, but I wish the best for Tomas and now he has a chance to get a cup.
THAT WAS A HAUL THOUGH, YOU GOT ALYN McCAULEY 20 GOAL SCORER, BRAD BOYES AND THE 8TH PICK TURNED INTO COUTURE
Many of you all are grossly underestimating Edstrom. I like much of his development this year (he’s now better than a 32rd pick) and he will be at least as good as Hertl in at most 3 years. Moreover, Hertl was a bad contract for the Sharks now, and retaining only 17% of his salary is great.
I understand the point about defense prospects, though. Yes, they need more defense prospects than forwards, but Edstrom will be good.
i feel for you man, gotta feel terrible i couldnt even imagine
If we don’t get celebrini I’m going to riot. All the best to teenage mutant ninja Hertl.
Sharks fans droppin like flies
As a life long Sharks fan since 91 this is probably the worst the team has ever looked. Been through some bad seasons but nothing like this one. Seats are empty at every game. Not sure what management is even doing right now 😕
Gonna get worse before it gets better unfortunately. Been a Shark fan my entire life, almost in the playoffs every single year since 06-07. Stay faithful man the young bucks are looking good on the squad 👍
As a Coyotes fan here, i feel for you guys in SJ.
Excited to see Hertl here in Vegas!
He really had a great playoffs for you guys. I'm sure that contract will age amazingly.
Reminds me of when Detroit sold Tatar and Nyquist and you just knew it was gonna be rough
We basically traded Hertl for a bag of chips
They taste like salt & vinegar to me 😣 ...I suppose if I run to the store and buy some jalapeño crisps though, that'll tide me over lol.
Best I can say is embrace the tank. Learn to love it and root for the Ls to pile up... It worked for the hawks last year, maybe it's your turn this year. As much as i'd like to see Celebrini on the hawks, him going to SJ would be great for the NHL. I'd love for the 2 top dogs in the west be the Hawks and the Sharks again after long but successful rebuilds.
You guys will probably get him. There is already a very large portion of the NHL fan base who thinks the NHL gifted Bedard to the Hawks.
I remember the Habs getting a #13 pick for Romanov who isn't half as good. Surely Hertl should net you a similar return minimum at the draft.
Two 1st and substantial cap relief is much more value
This one is hard to stomach for sure. The salary retention and who we traded him to are the worst part. I like Edstrom but damn this sucks!
As a vegas fan, we have the buffed team. But, they have to work out the kinks, havent been playing the best. Well see what happens when hertl comes back and if stone returns
Mike Grier should be investigated. That return is so bad that it has to be collusion. No other explanation.
Read Sheng Peng's article, on the trades, he grades the Hertl trade a B for...reasons. He also grades the other trades, it's worth a read...
I love Couture, not only because he grew up in my home town of Guelph but because He's just a great guy and hockey player... But I really still think Hertl was more of a face then Couture. Sad to see him go, especially for that.
Love you too
This trade doesn’t make a ton of sense.. especially when you factor in that we gave up 2 3rd round picks AND retained 17% of his contract for 6 years!! Why.. ? the only way Grier should’ve traded Hertl is if a team called with an undeniable offer which included no retention and no draft picks going back. This was not that.
Hertl is a mentor for the young guys coming up and he’s a great example of a hard working center who doesn’t take short cuts.
Granlund, Hoffman, Barabonov are all guys who should’ve been moved at this deadline and who could’ve gotten us 2nd, 3rd and 4th round draft picks or some prospects.
After this season , Couture has 3 yrs left on his deal and Vlasic has 2 yrs left on his. Those are essentially all that’s left of the bad contracts for aging players. Which is fine, Sharks still are required to meet the cap floor each season and they won’t be competitive for probably 4 years. I really hope the Sharks win the lotto and get Celebrini but if they do not and pick #2 or #3 expect them to target a RD defenseman, like Levshunov out of MSU.
Either way Sharks will be a very young exciting team in 3-4 years and Vegas will be in ruins just way worse off than the Sharks were with all their horrible contacts . Vegas is also currently seeded in the #8 wild card spot and have been struggling tremendously the past 10 games . It would be interesting and also hilarious if they did end up missing the playoffs this year… it’s very much a possibility.
You don’t need that big of a contract to “mentor” the young players. People last year were clowning the sharks for the Meier deal, but it gave them tons of flexibility. Cap and space is everything. It’s why the sharks are getting all the good young prospects right now
I feel ya bro. I’m an avs fan but I think if we traded someone like Miko rantanen and two third round picks and got question marks in return. Heads up bro and hopefully that prospect becomes a core player like pavelski or burns or Thornton or marleau
What I meant is if miko was traded and we decided to pay his salary as another team enjoyed his talents, I’d be beyond depressed. I hope the sharks future looks better for you man.
Man, I feel for you and Shark fans.
The 1st we get from Vegas is likely gonna be very late. The quality of player still likely that of a high 2nd round picked player ~ the two 3rd's from SJ will likely be so early in the 3rd they're akin to late 2nd round player in quality. This trade might be a fleece. Hertl will be a beast for them in the playoffs, because he does so many things well. Grier reallllly should of held on to this, made this deal in the summer, asked Hertl to have a list of teams he'd be good with and then start negotiating
As a knights fan I’m happy we got hertl but David edstrom is a really good center prospect… his floor I think is a high level 3 line center, with 2 line center play like William karlsson potential… a very good 2 way forward. Would have preferred to give up this years first round pick instead.
It's sad but I'm hoping this turns out for us. It's going to hurt to see Hertl so frequently against us.
Wilson was the one destroying our franchise with clown contracts. Grier is now doing the ugly part to clean it up. This trade was necessary for us. we needed to get hertls contract of the books and we did get two assets out of it. It will take a few years but we will get back. We are lucky to be in the bottom of the standings and be able to farm the best prospects. Every team with the most succes are the teams that have been in the bottom before and gotten the best picks
Penguins fan here, I can sympathize here… We’re on our way down here to hangout with you SJ fans.. Sharks/Pens Stanley Cup rematch coming 2036
50-year old Sidney Crosby will still be playing like Gordie and will take home the trophy formerly known as the Conn Smythe...the Sidney Crosby.
My thought was wow Vegas is just having their way with this league. I didn’t think too much of how this would effect sharks fans that’s heartbreaking
This last minute trade at deadline looks like a panic buy by Mike Grier, and I agree that the return for best player on Sharks was dismal and retention of salary for 6 years wrong, or at least that this deal would not have survived an overnight think or reconsideration in a calm and cool hour. Hertl was central to being competitive in next 5 years and selling him off means much more suffering for Sharks fans as they see Vegas win big with Hertl and other stars, including Adin Hill. What Sharks dispose of becomes the gold in other teams. This trade winds back the Sharks development so that they win later rather than sooner if these new prospects and picks turn out in 5 years. Hertl should have been an untouchable Shark for life and never traded.
I agree with you. I am sick about this trade.
We will take good care of him
Hell yeah you will 👍
I wouldn't trust that front office to take care of anyone. They've proven they're shitbags.
Until they trade him and let him find out from a tweet later on lol
@@GWh135 we learned our lesson
I get trading him. I do NOT get giving them to picks to give them your best player.
I’m not a Sharks fan, but there’s no reason the Sharks needed to throw two 3rds into the deal to make it happen. Retaining until 2030 should of at the very least have kiboshed the thirds requirement.
Sorry mate, but I'm not with you regarding this trade.
This was the price the Sharks had to pay for signing hertl in the first place, a way too big contract for a player past his prime now 30+ for 6 more years. 6.5 mil in cap space wisely spent can be so much better than hertl, + a first rounder + a guy that's doing good for frölunda . . . I think greer did pretty good cleaning up the mess he inherited🤔🤔
I know if this trade was made with a team other than the Knights, I wouldn't be so frustrated. I will say though that I would be more understanding if the prospect played a position that we are in need of more - like a defenseman or goaltender. I think you raise good points though.
@@TwistedWristerHockey Hertl chose this trade to the Knights because of his full NMC. Let's sit with that
I think I’m gonna root for Pavs and the stars as my new team. Sharks won’t be a 500 team until 2028
It's easy as a Knights fan to roll into the comments section and sound fake-humble AF , but we will absolutely treat Hertl right. He seems like a really good dude and I know his character was a big consideration by McCrimmon in the trade. I feel bad for what the Sharks fans are going through (even the ones that outright hate the Knights and their fans) but I hope some time down the line the Sharks get an honest to god crack at a Cup and renew the division rivalry with the Knights.
Thanks for the class 👏👏 I know your fans will show Ninja Hertl love
You could definitely feel the Knight's fans love with the playoff series he had against the Stars
How you feel about losing Hertl is how Blackhawks fans felt about losing Patrick Kane. I feel for you man.
Not to dampen the mood or anything but you guys got gifted Bedard. Hawks didn’t have to go through the pains like normal smaller market teams. Right after losing your marquee players you get another franchise talent. I know I’m not in the minority either by thinking this. Thanks for the sympathies. Maybe if we can Mack it will make this bad trade feel better. With the Hawks right at the bottom, it’s hard to be confident.
@@kialbonetti1997 So I understand where you are coming from, and respect it, but let me add some context. I have been a Blackhawks fan my entire life (34 years). What most fans forget is that in 2004, the Blackhawks were voted the worst franchise in all of professional sports for how bad that team was run. Home games were not on TV, prospects were traded, they had to PAY radio stations to broadcast games, they disrespected former players by nickel and dimming them to pay for their own equipment, and the list goes on. You could fire a cannon in that arena and not hit anybody. Amidst all that, they had not won a Stanley Cup since 1961. I know what it is like to be at the bottom and see a team rebuild. Luck is involved, no doubt, but that’s sports right? I certainly didn’t expect to get 1st overall. No one did. We hoped for it and as luck would have it, we got it. I like that our GM is building a team through the draft. I think yours is going to do it the right way too.
Honestly, we need to get over it. It is a business.
We can blame Grier all we want but he inherited a mess that he is fixing on the fly. The decisions made before his arrival is why we are where we are as a franchise. This is not suppose to be a quick fix and we as a fanbase need to stop thinking this is the end all be all. Rebuilds take time and Grier has put this team to be in position to sign FAs and re-sign players on the team that are performing for years to come. Things will get better but it takes time.
For the return for Hertl, it would have been more in 2022. He should never been re-signed. Why? The Sharks were trying to cling onto the playoff vibes from 3 years prior but that was a poor decision from management. In 2024, a 30 year old, 8 plus million for the next 6 years and will slowing decline over those 6 years, injury prone… the fact Grier got 2 1st round picks (Edstrom being the 2nd 1st round pick) with only 17 percent retention is a win. With the cap going up, the retention on Hertl won’t matter every year from now to 2030.
As a fan, this sucks. Traded to VGK of all places… Hertl had to approve it. His NMC limited the return. Grew up in the Bay Area for a decade and change, saw him grow to be an awesome hockey player and human being and make us like him more than the average player. But this is the sad reality of losing, people will leave. Things change. The timeline did not fit for Hertl. We all need to accept that.
It's not the same sport, but the same style of approach of future success in a rebuild....
My Orioles had a such a 5-year rebuild plan. So, I feel ya! Albeit it was cut a year short due to the big team's major league success. It did suck to suck for a few years. (Hopefully, the MLB-NHL analogy translates)
My honest hope, the Sharks get some veterans on this club to get some fans at the stadium. Who knows? They could teach the prospects tremendously.
Feel like a well ran MLB rebuild can be done in half the time of an NHL one. This can be due to the international pool of players to choose from. Baseball has 40 rounds in its draft compared to 7.
Seems like he wanted to go to vegas.
Simply devastating...I feel for you!
I was at school so I couldn’t watch the livestream but I can say the Golden Knights might be the most hated team not only in hockey but in sports as a whole now. Getting star players every single year and always winning reminds me of the old New England Patriots dynasty. Now everyone from the 2016 Stanley Cup Finals Sharks team is gone.
I don't understand all the hate for VGK. Management is doing what they can to win all while staying within the rules. All other 32 teams can do it too, some just choose not to. I believe all the hate stems from jealousy of the VGK being so good from day one. Jealousy just got amplified by 1000x when we won the cup.
@@alohastate8256 You don't understand the hate? It's no coincidence when now 3 years in a row Stone conveniently gets hurt so Vegas can circumvent the cap. Vegas will be 19 MILLION over the cap when Stone once again conveniently comes back healthy game 1 of the playoffs. It's just ridiculous that people don't think this isn't being done on purpose. 🤦
@@beastbeats9159 I find it funny when people say "Stone conveniently gets hurt" That's just an excuse to try and justify what VGK is doing is wrong. There is no way he is getting hurt on purpose. I 100% much rather have him healthy. We are struggling without him right now. Yes, we will be well above the salary cap IF he comes back, but is it Vegas fault that these are the rules. Vegas is doing absolutely nothing wrong, while trying to improve the team to win the Cup...again.
@@alohastate8256 so 3 years in a row doesn't seem like one of the most convenient things to happen in sports? God forbid he gets injured a week after the deadline right? 19 million over the cap is absolutely ludacris. I'm not saying Vegas is breaking a rule, but it's extremely unethical to keep doing it year after year, with the same player, during the same point in time. It's unethical because we all know Stone will be fully healthy game 1 of the post season. That's not how injuries work, especially timelines in hockey are never clear, but with Stone and the Golden Knights it's always PERFECT timing. 3 years in a row isn't a coincidence, say what you want. All the hate Vegas gets is completely backed up when they keep doing stuff like this. 🤷 Might as well put the entire team on LTIR and have a 200 million dollar roster 😂 because as long as they make the post season they won't be breaking any rules right? What a joke of an excuse. Vegas doesn't deserve a damn thing after giving a bag of pucks for Hertl. The LA Dodgers of hockey lmao
@@beastbeats9159 Ill take the comparison to the Dodgers as a compliment. LOL Better than being compared to the A's (who are coming here 🤮) You are aware that the NHL sends it's doctors to verify the legitimacy of these injuries right??? Oh wait, you're probably going to say " Its Bettmans doctors going to check on Bettmans love child Knights" As Knights fans, we hear it all. Like your "perfect timing injuries" BS. GTFO! LMAO! At the end of the day, we have the Cup and there is nothing anybody can do to take it away from us. Boy am I gonna enjoy the comment section when we repeat.
Everyone was reporting how bad the trade was
And that was when the 3rds were all going TO San Jose???
Must have gotten something crazy on camera last trip to Vegas to have that much blackmail material on the GM…. 🤦♂️
Hard to stomach today. I feel your value comes from how you leverage that 6M freed from hertl the next few years if you can get cap dumps for contracts or facilitate more trades with that space
I cannot blame you in the very least. It is like the Rangers trading Brian Leetch to the Devils or Islanders.
As a vegas fan this video made my heartbreak for you. I know things will turn around for the sharks in a positive way I just hope it’s soon for you❤
I'm so sorry for your loss
Every season, I hope for a sharks turn around. Im a canes fan and I hate seeing other non-traditional markets sruggle. "Real" NHL fans dog us regardless of our performance simply because of our location. The moves the sharks have made in recent years have always left a positve affect on me(obviously because we got burns). But seriously, I thought they were making big moves to turn this team around. The Hertl trade is BEYOND me. I am offically confused. in recent seasons, the other trades made some sense due to age and the iminate rebuild. But I thought hertl was a shark. Like THE shark..you know? Idk whats going on anymore.
I know how it feels but they took care of Quick and Martinez so Hertl will be fine.
Sucks to see you so gutted. I was surprised to see the trade in all aspect; what they got back, the retention for another 6 years, AND to the KNIGHTS?! Tough one to swallow for sure. Sorry buddy
I wonder if this was pushed by Tomas's side wanting to play for a winner.
Alternatively, what better way to make sure to finish below Chicago in the standings than to get rid of your scorers...
I can't wait for your Sharks to get better and renew our rivalry.
I personally like the trade...
Like look it sucks, but the Cap is going up. Retention slots don't mean/won't mean much as we move forward.
What was Tomas going to do? Toil away another few years and get a ceremony? We have to move forward in some way and each year you hold on he depriciates. It hurts, but you add another center prospect and another first into a good pool, that's going to get better. Within 3 Years we'll have about 70 Million-90 Million in Cap Space and we'll have 2 Mill in dead money, what would the ret slots do anyways in a few years? Get an extra 4th? And when we're compeittive there is NO NEED for em anyways. I liked all the trades, sans the Kahkonen one, but I had a feeling he was leaving in the summer cause he's 27.
I saw hertl as the bridge. I'm not sure if you are from Cali, but the taxes are insane. What player in their right mind would want to come here now? The scary part is that they are literally putting everything on these prospects, and they are going to have to do it alone for the most part.
@@dankdank9837Couture, and other vets are still there.
Mike talked about signing new verterans in the offseason due to the massive amount of cap we'll have and about taking that next step.
Brining in vets to show the kids the right way. So they won't be doing it alone.
@@sobannazir8216 idk. I've met couture. Let's be for real he's a 2nd line center at best on a good team. What does he have left to prove in sj?
Aw man, yeah that's a rough trade. I can't imagine being a Sharks fan right now. I just dislike Vegas because of the Fleury stuff. But man, am I ever hoping they somehow miss the playoffs. I would laugh so hard if Vegas fell out of it. We shall see, though.
0:15 just say it Nick " I am not like that crazy guy Jaws" 🤣.wait what? Salary for SIX years? Ok jokes over holy hell! I feel for ya brother!
edit; don't underestimate the value of all those centers. That is what Florida did, hell even Swaggy is listed a C, we basically have 2 centers per line.
Yeah the Sharks have the worst attendance in the league unfortunately. They usually have one of the highest.
I am a long time fan of the San Jose Sharks! I like Thomas Hertl very much and I am
a Vegas Golden Knights fan now!
hertl to vegas was ass, especially considering the retainment. like, for god sake its one thing to trade him, its another thing to trade him to vegas, its ANOTHER THING to trade him to vegas AND pay some of his salary. god sake. GMMG is in over his head for sure.
hertl and a 1st rounder is a great trade. i know it doesnt feel like it rn but as a sens fan i have to tell you this is good.
Not understanding this rebuild... How do you fill your exemptions up for the next few years? Arizona loaded themselves up with extra picks by taking on contracts or being the middle man... Hertl until 2030. Karlsson until 26-27. That is two trades you wont be making for the next 3 years plus... Crazy asset management. And you gave Vegas 2 3rds!!!! Which will be in the top part of those rounds guaranteed. Feel bad for you guys
I’m actually happy for this. He needs to play for a champion ship team once and for all.
Yah that was a wack trade for the ages. Sorry Sharks fans, we were all scratching our heads when that went down.
Pretty hat. I was surprised how much Grier had to give up to move him. And pay part of the contract for the next 6 years. I would not be happy if my team's GM did that.
That's Messed Up but I have no hate in my heart for the sharks
If I’m allowed to give one, here’s a perspective from a Knights fan:
I’m upset that we’ve continued to fleece teams left and right and I’m sure if the roles were reversed and we gave up someone like Mark Stone or Johnathan Marchessault to the sharks, we’d be just as upset and I’m not denying it. I hate that we’ve taken advantage of multiple things via the LTIR, the trade deadline, etc and I hate that we’ve brought this look upon ourselves. I can’t speak for every knights fan but Nick, know that I, myself, do not agree with this trade whatsoever, Hertl has been amazing for you guys and as you said he’s been the face of your franchise for almost half a decade and I hate that the two ownerships allowed this to happen.
Yes, I understand that trades happen and this kind of stuff is normal in the sports world but this might go down as one of the biggest fleeces in NHL history. Maybe even sports history.
Knights fans, including myself are having very mixed emotions because yes, we’re signing all of these players to deals that could make a difference for us in the long run and I hate that the NHL is doing nothing about it but at the same time, you’ve got solid guys on the LTIR that caused this to happen in the first place. I guess it’s one thing to get away with a trade but it’s a completely different thing to fleece your biggest rival.
For the record, I’m very new to the world of hockey, only been watching for about 6-8 months to a year and been a fan of the knights since the start of the season and before anyone comes at me for being a bandwagon, I was so out of touch with hockey that I had no idea the knights won the cup.
Once again, I hate that this happened, I don’t agree with the majority of what we’ve done leading up to the trade deadline.
Vegas fan here. ⚔️
Also, I personally believe Vegas is in danger of not even making the playoffs. They’re in more trouble than people seem to think. Hopefully this can help them pull it together.
In a sense, I want to see them in the playoffs and, as the Sharks fan in me, for them to meet their match. What could come of that could be a terrific series, whether it's a foe of the past getting revenge or someone else. I can think of series where my team lost but still played hard and won a couple close games, so a season like that isn't a total loss if that makes sense. Have fun with Herl though!
I doubt this trade helps them pull it together much. Hertl won't be playing until the very end of the season.
Sorry for your loss
Im a vgk fan and a ny giants fan. So i kinda know how you feel seeing saquon barkley going to the eagles. Its business i guess
Get out here with that Saquon, blah blah blah. That’s the least of your problems you don’t even play New York you play in Jersey. Go Cowboys
Now in hockey, you got good taste. If stick to this subject, we could be cool.
How you wanna play it?
Now you know how VGK fans felt when they traded Fleury and kept Lehner.
Ain’t no way you’re comparing those 2
Hertl been a shark longer than yall been a franchise
@@alo1498 Fleury was the VGK "franchise" when it first started. Its first real star.
@@mikelfrance-l6x that doesn’t really support what you’re saying . Hertl isn’t a superstar but he was the face of the franchise and fan favorite for longer than Vegas have even fathomed having a team
As a Vegas fan , I absolutely adore Hertl. I know how this feels for you though. I cried when Fleury was traded.
The Fleury trade came out of nowhere, too.
They should've gone for VGK's goalie prospect, Carl Lindbom instead. He's been fantastic in the SHL this season.
I love this trade for the sharks. I will miss Hertl deeply though. The retention money is not that big of a deal to me but to have that slot taken up for the next 6 years might be an issue, but we don't have really anyone to retain on anymore. Also the 2025 draft looks much stronger than the 2024. I believe in the Grier train 100%.
Also on your point of "too many center deoth" I kinda see where you're at with that, but also its important to consider that some of these prospects that Grier is collecting will likely not pan out. It might be nice to have those guys you can slot in if someone doesnt work out or maybe trade furthrr down the line after they have developed a bit
Need more darts at the dartboard. We dont know for sure all those prospects you named are gonna hit
You get needed cap space, a young 6'3' 1st round pick center, a2025 1st, .
relax. if you get the # 1 pick you could have celebrini, smith, edstrom, and bystedt down the middle for years to come with cap relief plus maybe the penguins 1st this year plus two 2nds this year and thompson just acquired on the back end plus shakir muk coming soon. The future is bright it takes time to clean up a mess, and if you read between the lines hertl publicly said at the allstar break he was going to talk to grier about his future there so he wanted out and got his wish. Relax the future is bright.
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This trade is going to age beautifully for the Teal.
Hertle was dying in sj anyways his play was declining it was a good time to move him i think
Loved hertl but he wasn't making the team any better. They retained what 1.25mil. Getting that cap off the books is what counts. Hertl is hurt pretty often too. I'm not mad about it
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Dude I’m so sorry for you 😂
From an outsiders point of view I like the trade from the Sharks end.
When you have a 30 year old on a big long term contract it doesn't take long for that contract to ruin a players trade value.
The Sharks bit the bullet and traded him now while they could get good assets back. The return is not great but in the big picture of a rebuild I like it.
Still, from a fan point of view, it stings.
Filled the last retention slot, still two more years of burns many more years of karlson and not hertl. Hopefully grandlund contract can be moved during off season. It would’ve been hard to move now without Retention. Credit on moving duclair and getting a need. Simek was moved to clear room and was needed. I truly feel this hurts now but the future has the potential to be very bright and is needed to compete with the ducks. They are completely stacked and building. Only a few years ahead of us.