I thought it was because those Jedi used an ancient Jedi defense technique known as "Standing there and letting your opponent kill you" but now I know better.
He was awesome in Star Wars the clone wars and it’s such a shame they ended the character this way but it is awesome to know he lasted longer than everyone else
Raghuvar Vasudev To be exact, what Palp did was let out a "force scream", which disconnected all but Windu from the force right before Palp killed them in less than 6-7 seconds.
This is one thing that really really bothered me for a long time. Kit Fisto is my favorite Jedi and to see him get killed a easily after he's fought in countless battles, is extremely skilled in combat, and almost killed general grievous 1v1, was such a pathetic and disappointing end to my most beloved and favorite Jedi.
Caleb Adams that's why the prequels were considered so terrible. They killed off to many people without story.the clone wars series does Star Wars justice if you just rid the prequels from your mind
He isnt tho, if you check the scene well, you'll see that the next shot his dead body disappeared. Which can only mean he crawled of to fight another day!
generic generic It’s explained, Palpatine left Kit Fisto until last cause he’s been getting them daily fists from Kit and wanted to spare another second of his life.
Actually, Mace was really the only Jedi to defeat Palpatine. He had him down and beaten, had it not been for annakin, he could've killed him. Yoda didn't even have Palpatine down like that. So you could say that Mace was the only Jedi to ever come close to killing Palpatine.
This is correct. Palpatine was unprepared to be eating a bunch of his own Force Lightning. He would've much rather defeat Mace Windu for certain on his own, then leave things up to a torn-apart Anakin Skywalker, who was still unpredictable...
you could argue though that palpatine was toying with mace windu and pretending to being beaten so then he could convince anakin to strike down mace windu easier.
But the scene makes so much more sense if he was toying with Mace. I've had people tell me what the books say and stuff but I like the story better if Sidious was faking being vulnerable so Anakin would help him.
I know "anything" about Mace. The scene still makes more sense if Sidious was still stronger, despite Mace's powers regarding shatterpoints, channeling his opponents hatred back at them, and whatnot
@@luciusdomitius9377 Why? Styles make fights. You're trying to apply if A beats B, Then A must also beat C, except that logic doesn't work with different styles, abilities, and interactions between styles. Windu was freakishly strong and use Vappad. That style perfectly channels the aggression of Windu and Palpatine into Windu's lightsaber ability. It was too much for Palpatine. He got his ass handed to him and got very lucky that Anakin showed up. He's not as all-seeing as some people think. He didn't see Vader's intentions when he was RIGHT NEXT TO HIM and gave him a free ride down a shaft Yoda's style wasn't Vapad. Also, Yoda WOULD have mopped the floor with Palpatine in a straight up lightsaber fight. Why do you think Palpatine wanted no part of him. He tried to run away from him. And when they did fight, he jumped away and tried to use force lightning instead of lightsaber because he knew he had no chance in a duel with Yoda. And even then he got overpowered. Look at the fight and Palpatines eyes. He get scared and starts screaming in pain as Yoda overpowers him. He only survived because the energy power threw them apart and Yoda needed to flee because of the plot. So yea, Windu did most definitely wreck Palpatine.
Guess u missed how Anakin said that he was very powerful and he had to be badass to suppress other potential Sith, a basically all of them except his apprentice.
The book details it a bit better. Palp used a screening technique in the book, to allow his advances to go unnoticed. Kit was poked with a light saver right through the head & was quoted that you feel no pain in the brain. Mace was only able to survive the onslaught due to the fact that he uses the Dark Side at times, but won’t allow it to consume him, he saw the shroud his other fellow Jedi couldn’t.
We can cite the books and comics to explain away questionable scenes like this, but the movies should have been able to stand on their own. Fans and experts should not have to dig deep just to answer why the screenwriting seems so dumb. Think about watching this scene when ROTS first was released. Very disappointing to see 3 Jedi MASTERS get butchered almost immediately. Saying that Sidious was way better is not a good justification for them dying like total punks. Isn't it silly that explanations and analyses have to be made afterwards just to make their deaths seem less stupid?
thats definately it. Kit Fisto is my favourite Jedi and i hate seeing him die so easily...At least they couldve cut those two other jedi masters and let Fisto die in a real fight.
I saw on a documentary that because of Ian mcdiarmid having to learn the choreography in only a couple days coupled with his advanced age, they had to work around all of that so they just made him kill the other 3 off with little to no effort.
Im pretty sure it was a way to just get rid of their characters to lazily show palpatines power, and to just focus on Mace and sideous. Thats why they had such lazy costumes. The other details were just added to cover up this and add depth.
Eli-akad not to mention the poor writing and costume design. "Lets use what Old Ben was wearing while in HIDING as the formal Jedi apparel." Terrible writing for the prequels man
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Star Wars Theory Vader vs Revan and i enjoy your vids keep it up and could you do a what if mace windu turned to the dark side instead of anakin in the duel with palpitine
Star Wars Theory what about mace windu vs Anikan on Mustafar instead of obi wan vs Anikan.....like obi wan replaced windu against palpatine and got killed and mace was sent after Anikan
Wolf043 I concur with your position in utmost respect, these dramatis personae were of little consequence to the narrative portrayal and were thusly felled; the negligible effects of such deaths rendering little to none disappointed.
"This harnessed the dark side around him, allowing him to hold his own until the betrayal of Skywalker, leading to...." *UUUUNNNNLIIIIMMMIIITTEEEDDD PPOOOOOOWWAAAAAAH!!!!!*
In the book Palpatine asked Saesee Tiin to read his mind. While doing so master Tiin lowered his guard so Palpatine could struck him down. Deception was one of Palpatine's greatest powers. By this surprise Agen Kolar was killed before he could finish his sentence that telepathy doesn't hurt. Kit Fisto lasted a little longer in the book. Even when Anakin raced to the Chancellor's office he saw in the distance green, purple and red flashes. The green flashes faded away during the fight. In the Chancellor's office Anakin saw only a blur and light flashes of the lightsabers. This only shows how fast Mace and Palpatine were fighting. In the last moments of the fight, at the balcony, Mace felt through the Force that the shadow (Palpatine) was in fear when Anakin arrived and in that moment there was a drop in Palpatine's speed. This was the Shatterpoint and Mace cut the lightsaber of Palpatine. To this point I believe that Mace defeated Palpatine fair and square. During the fight Vaapad could stand its own against the power of the Sith Lord. In the moment Palpatine fired his Force Lightning and Anakin came closer, Mace felt no more fear in Palpatine. Both Mace and Palpatine 'begged' Anakin to stop this fight. In this moment Palpatine won, Anakin was so deceived that he had to stop Mace for killing Palpatine. To save Padme. Mace asked Anakin if this execution was any different from the one against Dooku, but Anakin said it was different. Mace was also only focussing on Palpatin, that he didn't look for Anakin's Shatterpoint. This was his defeat. Palpatin trusted Anakin and Anakin wanted to save Palpatine. Anakin cut off Mace's hand and Palpatine struck him down with his lightning. This part of the story was better written then what we saw in the movie. Truly a missed opportunity.
Hyandur the book I read before the actually movie was shown gave so much more background about the Jedis' thoughts and their behavior,especially Anakin. I also remember that Palpatine was disgusted of Anakin when he pulled the dismembered torso out of the lava and turned him into Vader as a "gotta make the best out of what is left" since a mechanical Vader would have less cells and thus less body to channel the force. Also, he wouldn't be able to use force lightning since he had no organic hands. This also leads to Palpatine wanting Luke as a replacement for Vader later on .
Anakin told Mace Windu that Palpatine was the Sith Lord that they were looking for. So they knew what they were up against. I will say this if you look at the Revenge of the Sith Book Chapter 17 you'll read the discussion between the three Masters. You'll notice that Master Fisto wasn't confident about going against a Sith Lord before leaving on the shuttle he muttered this"I'd still feel better if Yoda were here...,"
+Storminmormn6 "in the prequels" As if there wasn't just as much horrible writing in the original trilogy that also had to be explained after the fact by fan theories. Better get off that high horse before you hurt yourself.
Just one reason I prefer the novelization of RotS by Matthew Stover is that it goes into much more detail about how the fights played out and explains a lot of little things you can't notice/that aren't included in the movies, it really comes across as a much better story in the book than the movie.
Well, I disagree with that. It WAS horrible screen writing and not supposed to be like that. The novel describes how it was supposed to be before Lucas changed it to make it more family friendly. Nobody doubts that Sidious, Yoda and Windu were more powerful than Kolar, Tiin and Fisto. But it is impossible that the gap between them was so high. It also makes no sense that Fisto was killed so easily when he was so powerful that he wasn't stunned like Tiin and Kolar. And last but not least: the movie gives no clue that Kolar and Tiin were stunned. Yes they stood there like amateurs when they were killed. But when you want to show that they were stunned by the scream, then you have to do it completely different.
Pjupe I lowkey hate when people try to make theories for this. The real reason is poor writing and the fact that George had Ian do a lot of his own stuntwork for the fight. I'd rather have seen a CGI Sidious blurring around killing the 3 others before mace
Pjupe Well, there is the point that the Jedi are at a disadvantage because they are in such a close vicinity. They can't just move out of the way or swing their sabers around to parry a attack because they might strike each other in the process. I feel like if they were smart enough to spread out or move towards a wider area, then the fight would had been more even. (I mean cmon, look at how close they were to each other)
I'd say the real explanation would just be that the fight was poorly planned for the movie, simple as that. Would have been way more interesting to see Palpatine fight against four jedi masters simultaniously for a while before killing them. Let's also not forget that the last star wars movie we saw Palpatine in a fight, he was simply picked up and tossed down a pit. But I am sure there's some poor excuse written down in some book about that too.
Willem Verheij I'm sick of these poor excuses TH-camrs make to get views and explain the terrible writing on the movies to justify why they love it so much. I love them, but they're garbage
Martin Gilliard Figures yes. I gues even C-3PO could have killed him. Would have been even less suspicious than his fellow sith whose son he was torturing.
watch how palpatine toys with maul and his brother in rebels. I'm not saying I disagree that it was a poor scene, but you can be at ease a bit more by seeing how palp's skills with a saber is, even though it's CGI.
tboy072 The cartoons are just way too silly for my taste. Maul being alive alone is already sillier than the dumb way he died. Then again star wars seems to have a thing for unsatisfying villain deaths. Palpatine, Maul, Boba and Jango Fett all died like chumps. Pretty sure all of them are also suddenly not dead in expanded universe stuff.
@@poptart2989 There was talk about doing a Mace Windu spin off film where he survived.. Plus S.L Jackson got the nod from George Lucas and his signature confirming that he isn't 100% confirmed dead. It's far fetched I know 😂
***** yh I see where your coming from but it would be a fun topic to cover for a Vid and I think mace and palps would be a dominate force in the galaxy
Rogelio Aldana because his anger he can not controll it and also it would be a fun spinoff and maybe he has no more faith in the Jedi order anymore amd has realised that they are doomed, but it would be a fun topic to cover
HakaMataFaka 1997 Is this a joke? back then when the movie was filmed these Jedi were just extras ... the lame excuse with that scream is just hilarious.
@@flolikeyou6053 i know what you mean but i think thats incorrect. I think that this scenes idea was to show just how powerful palpatine actually is. Windu gathered a few jedi masters to go with him and they were fucking useless because palpatine is the sith lord. To say that this is just poor screenwriting isnt the case in my opinion
501st Battalion it depends on how you imagine E T known in star wars as "the Asogian" they appeared in the phantom menace in the Senate room and in a star wars novel , a senator named Grebleips arranged for a group of them to go to a new galaxy, and you should know what that galaxy was,hint the name of a candy bar.so they eventually made it to earth .the E T species home world was "Brodo Asogi" they we're botanist like the Ithorian race. :-)
Well we can assume Earth DOES exist in the Star Wars universe, because of the E.T. species that briefly appears in the Senate room in the Phantom Menace. We can also say that E.T.'s planet is in the Star Wars galaxy because of this. So when Elliot finds E.T., he's seeing an extraterrestrial from the Star Wars galaxy. Also, when E.T. sees a Yoda costume, he shouts 'Home!', which probably means the E.T. species and and Yoda's species are usually with each other. We can also assume that from the lines, 'A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...', the events of the E.T. movie take place long after the events of the latest Star Wars movie, the Force Awakens, so we can assume that both Yoda's species and E.T.'s species survived the Galactic Empire and are continuing their heritage. So you can see that Earth exists in the Star Wars universe, and the galaxy from Star Wars also exists in the E.T. universe. Or they're the same universe.
@@jaykutts9664 yeah he obviously doesn't survive the encounter but only because anakin betrayed the jedi. In the 1v1 portion of the fight, windu brings palpatine to the ground
Now what ACTUALY is the reason, not a theory is this: Back when the movie was filmed, the three jedi masters that died alongside Windu didn't even have specific names. All the fame and feats and powerlevels grew around them after the movie was released, as a sort of an expansion about the characters from the movie, in form of comics, books, cartoons and etc. That's the only explenation you need, actually. Unnamed jedi die easily throughout the whole series. Remember the jedi who was killed with two blaster shots by Jango Fett? Yeah that was also apparently a jedi master from the council. Who knew right? Well, not Lucas when he was filming. All these jedi's who died easily are just extras while the movies were being shot. So nobody cared if they die easily or not, because we know nothing about them, they could've been just as esaily some nooby padawans. That's the actual truth behind these scenes, not a theory. The scene was supposed to show how much more powerful then anyone else was Sidious and Windu, so their battle would seem more epic. And how do you show this if Sidious doesn't kill some other random jedi first? Yeah, I know it's shallow, but that's all there is to it.
Mateusz Tur this should be the top comment. Even though the fans see Star Wars as this gigantic universe, the fact is that Lucas only saw them as movies, and he only considered important and canon what happened in those 6 movies, none of that ultra fantastic and terrible non canon fan fiction that followed the main series.
Well spoken they expanded on the lore after the fact which then gave the scene a bad rap....the other saber were OUT OF THIS WORLD! Especially Anakin and Obi-Wan I mean WOW
I agree. It further makes sense that in the time of the late republic, "Jedi" had grown into an empty title, the ancient reputation of which very few Jedi-in-name lived up to. Most of the ones that promoted through the ranks of the order did not hone the skills associated with their station. Actual competent Jedi like Windu were the exception, not the rule.
It would be impossible cuz the Death star has a Cool down of 24 hours after any shot, but it should have landed in range of Yavin 4 after exploding Alderaan , anyway... the Empire world be unstopable after v blowing up Yavin 4 oh well :P
I really like Obi Wan but all of this could’ve been prevented if he listened to Count Dooku. Count Dooku literally told him who the Sith Lord was, but obi didn’t listen
@@dakotatrue12 oh geonosis in episode 2, he said the senate was under control by a dark lord (talking about palpatine) but obi wan just brushed it off and thought he was lying
Quality Continent then you have no clue about film writing and im not riding on a hype train or smth i just respect his work it was fantastic and also the acting from the actors
No amount of force power discussion explains that first dude dying to the most telegraphed stab in the world without even trying to block it. The way it's shot you'd expect anyone with eyes to see it coming.
Honestly, all cinema duels are horrible, especially all of star wars. No duel should last that long and if you don't believe me, watch any weaponry martial arts master duelling. It takes a matter of second before one has taken a major strike. The slow swings, unnecessary twirls, and retarded stab is bad choreo... but the amount of time it took for the jedi to die in that fight is honestly believable with both the comics explanation of force scream, surprise, and how palpatine is a master of all light saber forms, changing to whichever form counters his opponent if need be. If anything thought, I want to know why palpatine restricted himself to using just lightsaber and not any force powers until he was cornered. Strange because force powers were his forte especially shown in the fight against yoda.
I think the fight would have gone better like this: Palpatine jumps up and he and Mace strike lightsabers, then rears back and stabs an unready Agen Kolar. Saesee Tinn strikes at Palpatine but he blocks it then slashes Tiin. He turns back to Mace and Kit Fisto and the two put their lightsabers up to fight Palpatine. Palpatine strikes at Kit Fisto but he blocks it then at Mace. Mace blocks this as well. Palpatine repeatedly strikes at Mace then turns to Kit Fisto who is behind him. He strikes his lightsaber twice then turns back to Mace. Mace strikes Palpatine's lightsaber and Palpatine steps backward. Kit Fitso then strikes at Palpatine along with Mace, but Palpatine block both of them. Suddenly he pushed Mace back when he strikes his lightsbaer and then, using the force, pushes Kit Fisto backwards as his lightsaber flies out of his hand. He hits Palpatine's desk and is knocked unconscious. Mace Strikes at Palpatine and the two turn down the hallway. *Continues on as it does in the movie* That way it shows the other two clearly were shocked and unready for his powerful fighting but Kit Fisto Survives due to his quick wit and the fact the Palpatine focuses on Mace. It seems a bit more balanced and shows Palpatine isn't completely unbeatable.
Ya it made palpatine look like an unbeatable, uncounterable god (he kinda is) but Crest toothpaste mascot (kit fisto) died within seconds and he was one of the most powerful masters.
this is merely a case of the red shirts, there needs to be a few who die quickly to enhance the status of the bad guy before the duel with a popular character, who also happens to last longer and comes close to defeating the bad guy, if not for deliberate setting up of scenes whereby a conflict of morals plays out palpatine would have died because mace was written in as a popular character with high level skills
To think that these Jedi would not be ready for a duel w another skilled saber wielder is ridiculous. Don't feel obligated to defend George Lucas' horrible screen writing.
ImStayGold42 exactly it's not like it couldn't have been possible to put sabers in the hands of skilled clones in the fights they had before and couldn't have been prepared.
@@Mark_Master1 They kinda doubted Darth Sidious, they probably thought Kit Fisto and Saesee Tin was more than enough and just gave them Mace Windu to say "Yeah fuck you"
He death upsets me the most because he felt anakin. Like if kit wasn't around he most likely would have survived order 66. He also had the for sight to want to wait for yoda and obi-wan to return. Tho windu ignored him
So you're saying for well over a DECADE since the re-appearance of the Sith (Darth Maul), and betrayal of Dooku, they were still incredibly complacent and did not bother to train for potential saber vs saber combat?
Indeed, as Dooku said to Obi-wan, "Jedis are decadents". They thought that the Siths were gone forever, and when one appeared again, they weren't even sure that they didn't kill the Sith lord. They were too confident in their power, and that's how Palpatine took the Jedi order down.
I was wonder... why G. Lucas never mention the "methods" in the movie? Nothing, even a single word about it in SIX movies. Why the people like just saiying that "Dooku uses this mothot thad win that method". Seems like it is book idea that never proves himself in the movies, but the fans uses... May i wrong, but...
They did train with lightsabers, but I recall there being something about disagreements about which skill sets were okay to use. I forget which, there was some jedi that used a light version of the sith lightning. He wasn't evil, but he was pretty much discouraged about using it. Palpatine, evil as his intents were, wasn't hampered by an order telling him what to learn and what not to lean. I heard a lot of the stories from the comics and the now legends books, there were some jedi that used skills people like Yoda would never approve of. It's one thing to continue using it and not getting caught, but you'd think someone would catch on if you stuck it in the youngling's curriculum. It's kinda strange. The dark side cripples itself by going too far sometimes, the light side does the same by limiting how far.
One problem also is that having four jedi masters fighting together isnt always useful. Its like having four alpha dogs, these jedi masters (to my knowledge) have barely fought together. So fighting in a cramped space as the office would be just as likely to harm each other as the councilor. That is represented by the Jedi's hesitation to make the first move, they arnt used to each others fighting style. Watch Obi-wan and Anakin, Qui-gon and Obi-wan, Ahsoka and Anakin and you can instantly see the chemistry. Palps made the jedi pay for their hesitation and lack of team work by aggressively attacking.
Three suggestions: What if Anakin went to Utapau What if Anakin convinced Windu to take Palpatine as a prisoner What if Yoda killed/disarmed Dooku on Geonosis
@@wowisntitanamazinglyamazin9550 Mind you that they did send Kenobi to fight Grievous just to flex their "Council" muscles and to show Skywalker that they had a say over him.
Star Wars Theory: “we’re going to explain why this wasn’t lazy screen writing” Also Star Wars Theory: proceeds to explain that all the Jedi Palpatine killed were expert duelists and further helps support the lazy screenwriting theory.
@@FireLordJohn3191 That's crazy. Can't they see a red lightsaber after Palpatine said, "it's treason, then"? That's not a sith, just a random guy whose good friend said was a sith holding a red lightsaber.
"The Jedi didn't even expect the old chancellor to be a Sith Lord, and when he was they saw their first one ever. As he hurled himself like a cyclone of evil at them" great observation. You also have to keep in mind, while you say the Jedi were usually only gaining training for blaster deflection, because the sith were thought to be extinct. Palpatine had been training in lightsaber combat at a very young age. Solely to dispatch Jedi/saber wielders. In conclusion he was very much ready for that moment against his long standing rivals (jedi)
Mace gets a +200 boost when he's nearby (or shatters in the middle of the fight) a window. As it was shown him beating Palpatine only nearby the window. Though he can easily be beaten as well since windows are his kryptonite too
one thing I would like to add is they probably also had a false sense of confidence thinking about how obi wan killed a sith lord on his own when he was just a padawan and yet they were 4 jedi masters and had mace windu considered the second most powerful jedi at the time so they probably were thinking they had this in the bag
This is really impressive rationalizing and shows deep knowledge of the source material, but I have a hard time believing any of these points went into the shooting of this scene.
But it was inevitable. Kit Fisto only mastered form I and Jar Kai, while Sidious had knowledge of all 7 froms of lightsaber combat. And Sidious was extremely skilled in Form VI: Niman (thanks to Darth Plagueis). Mace Windu lasted the longest, because he was able to direct the dark side of the force and all the emotions coming from Sidious (the hate, the anger, the compassion) back to it's source thanks to the advanced form of Form: VII Juyo called Vaapad. Giving himself completely over to the thrill of the fight. Leaving both of the combatants in a super conductive loop.
So you are telling me that Jedi masters, who were told they were gonna be arresting Palpatine on charges of being a Sith, were not prepared for Palpatine to reveal himself a Sith and caught off guard? That seems...absurd.
Jared Heath For one he needed evidence that supposedly the Jedi was taking over by recording it on his security cams . Also he wanted to see which side ankin would take
Jared Heath he revealed his face and he needed evidence against the Jedi he used force ghost so no Jedi would be suspicious on him and also to turn anakin to the darkside
It's called horrible writing and direction by George Lucas. The two devil looking Jedi, with the first one killed had his back turned to the incoming Palpatine and the second one is just standing there looking stupid. The other dude with the dreads had huge fingers and couldn't possibly hold his light saber with any dexterity and maneuver it competently against the lighting-fast Palpatine.
I have to agree with you. It was so annoying when they died because there was no reason for it. At least let them fight and have a cool death like Mace Windu. Also, I have a theory. Kit Fisto’s body isnt there at the end. Maybe he escaped. Plus, Tiin and Kit Fistos slashes were weak. Maybe both went off and survived after the battle!
There are extraordinary people (like Palpatine in real life) & extraordinary liars. Violence hasn't been that suppressed by the weak that u couldn't see that in history and tales told.
"Force speed", "force scream". No. Just no. You make this sound like some fucking video game. "Congratulations, you've reached level 5. You've unlocked ability Force Scream".
Eetu Palo The movies aren't the main canon to star wars, the comics are. The limitations to what could be shown in the movies is based on the real actors used. In star wars, people could run in a blur, the force lighting used by weaker sith than sidius could turn people to ash, and some could even steal other people's life force. You can't take the movies for what they show.
Why must everything be over complicated with all these 'force abilities'? How about, simply, that the Jedi had not encountered Sith for centuries, and therefore had fallen into a state where they are imagining themselves more strong and capable than they really are. They have not been really battle tested against a Sith Master until now, and are simply not up to the task...
An old screaming man twirls at three aliens and a bald dude with his laser sword and effortlessly takes three of em down. Movie writers to book authors Ok guys you have to explain how that happened and dissect every minute detail Writer: How about the scream was a force scream Other writer: you brilliant bastard
I thought it was because those Jedi used an ancient Jedi defense technique known as "Standing there and letting your opponent kill you" but now I know better.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Hahaha has it ever work?
Not for the Jedi
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Lol no way you troll. Hahah, good one
To be honest if I see a old dude do a 360 ninja jump towards me I would be caught off guard too. Lol
That is why you fail
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Jesse Jones 😂😂
No cap same
More like a 720 jump.
"Gansta', everybody was. Until the Chancellor, start howlin' he did." - Master Yoda
This read like Yoda's Rasta cousin, Fudgy.
But not Windu,he was making palpatine his bitch
Gangsta*
Some Louisiana voodoo swamp vibes in this yoda
@@exen3980 😂😂😂😂
I bet Palpatine maxed out the Lightsaber skill tree so he killed them easily.
We should probably report him for hacking anyways I dont remeber seeing the ability to do a 360 jump
@@comradecrunch9657 maybe the 360 is one of the powers some consider to be unnatural.
@@seventysoul dude I did a playthrough as a Sith I couldnt do a 360 ninja jump
@@comradecrunch9657 Just dew it on the high ground.
@@seventysoul right right I didnt think of that , thanks man I'll try that in another playthrough
Kit Fisto was my Favorite, I’m just glad he lasted, a little bit longer
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Same
He was awesome in Star Wars the clone wars and it’s such a shame they ended the character this way but it is awesome to know he lasted longer than everyone else
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Same. F.
The duel was unfair: four jedi masters against the whole senate :(
Kit fisto not smiling is cursed
@@CommonCommiestudios agree
Against all Sith
I AM THE SENATE
fisto.
I loved how the lightsaber came out of palpatine's sleeve. It was a small thing but it's just so cool to me
TechnoSkylord same
TechnoSkylord It doesn't make any sense that it doesn't fall out
Its Static the force
TechnoSkylord That's a terrible and ridiculous answer.
+It's Static It's fiction, get over it lol.
Short answer: Because they are not main characters.
Ulises Munguía bruh u literary stole this comment the original is on top of u lmao
@@meow4615 Well now it's further up.
Kit fitso is
They're not main characters because they're not as gifted and powerful as mace windu and master yoda
Zyad wrong way round buddy
They lost because they had neither the high ground nor unlimited powah!
Raghuvar Vasudev To be exact, what Palp did was let out a "force scream", which disconnected all but Windu from the force right before Palp killed them in less than 6-7 seconds.
Ix Satan 666 that went right over your heard
Actually they did
Lol the high ground
Raghuvar Vasudev It's funny because the guy who played Anakin was in a tv show called higher ground.
This is one thing that really really bothered me for a long time. Kit Fisto is my favorite Jedi and to see him get killed a easily after he's fought in countless battles, is extremely skilled in combat, and almost killed general grievous 1v1, was such a pathetic and disappointing end to my most beloved and favorite Jedi.
Caleb Adams that's why the prequels were considered so terrible. They killed off to many people without story.the clone wars series does Star Wars justice if you just rid the prequels from your mind
Storminmormn6 the prequels were good. this is the only bad thing that happened in episode 3.
boowhoo he never faced a sith lord b4 so wtf would u really think would happen
He did his best, Form 1 isn't all that effective against a single opponent.
Caleb Adams the real question is how he still has all of his head tendrils left obviously would have chopped half of them off during training
I know and I understand, but Kit Fisto was too damn badass to just go down like that. He could've lasted like Kenobi easily.
D K9 no, he wasnt
D K9 A green tadpole that beat general grievous switched forms on the fly made his own force power
Tyrrano Dino General Grievous lost to Ahsoka Tano. Canon sucks, so don't use that as explaination. Legends is brilliant.
It's not about how much these Jedi sucked, it's about how much powerful Sidious was.
yeh well tyrrano the little frog is dead just like grevious now so well done to him
Kit fisto was killed off like a fukkin red shirt and it pisses me off
He isnt tho, if you check the scene well, you'll see that the next shot his dead body disappeared. Which can only mean he crawled of to fight another day!
generic generic It’s explained, Palpatine left Kit Fisto until last cause he’s been getting them daily fists from Kit and wanted to spare another second of his life.
I did not want kit fisto x palpatine in my mind...
generic generic No thank you.
@@DeBerjeuh yeah, I bet he crawled under a dumpster and survived
The answer is obvious:
Palpatine used an ancient sith ability known as plot armor.
Oh crap that’s a dangerous one it grants immortality
And Mace Windu had thot- I mean Windu is very sexy but-
Nate Anunciacion its not a secret Qui Gonn would tell you
To obtain it, you must consume Qui Gon's Gin while on the high ground with unlimited power
No he was just that strong. He could have killed mace windu as well in the initial attack but the other masters got hit instead.
Actually, Mace was really the only Jedi to defeat Palpatine. He had him down and beaten, had it not been for annakin, he could've killed him. Yoda didn't even have Palpatine down like that. So you could say that Mace was the only Jedi to ever come close to killing Palpatine.
This is correct. Palpatine was unprepared to be eating a bunch of his own Force Lightning. He would've much rather defeat Mace Windu for certain on his own, then leave things up to a torn-apart Anakin Skywalker, who was still unpredictable...
you could argue though that palpatine was toying with mace windu and pretending to being beaten so then he could convince anakin to strike down mace windu easier.
rrguitar1 Yeah.Mace COULD DEFLECT Palpantine's FORCE LIGHTNING.RIDICULOUS.
But the scene makes so much more sense if he was toying with Mace. I've had people tell me what the books say and stuff but I like the story better if Sidious was faking being vulnerable so Anakin would help him.
I know "anything" about Mace. The scene still makes more sense if Sidious was still stronger, despite Mace's powers regarding shatterpoints, channeling his opponents hatred back at them, and whatnot
I still think the lightsaber battle between the 4 Jedi should've lasted longer
Oh how we wish, it coulda been more epic, but 💰
@@WabiSabiWall yeah its just not realistic but oh well
@@hellothere3552 but apparently force scream is strong as shit against jedi
@@WabiSabiWall yh 😂😂😂
@generic generic 😂😂😂good one👌👍
It always bugs me that if it wasn’t for Anakin, mace would’ve just killed palpatine and the rest of the entire saga would’ve been over
Brody nah I think the emperor knew what he was doing, he acted helpless to bait anakin
@@dopae no. He didn't. There is no proof at all for this theory.
He got his ass kicked by Mace straight up.
@@johnborris3222 If that were true, then Yoda would have wiped the floor with Palpatine
@@luciusdomitius9377 Why?
Styles make fights. You're trying to apply if A beats B, Then A must also beat C, except that logic doesn't work with different styles, abilities, and interactions between styles.
Windu was freakishly strong and use Vappad. That style perfectly channels the aggression of Windu and Palpatine into Windu's lightsaber ability.
It was too much for Palpatine. He got his ass handed to him and got very lucky that Anakin showed up. He's not as all-seeing as some people think. He didn't see Vader's intentions when he was RIGHT NEXT TO HIM and gave him a free ride down a shaft
Yoda's style wasn't Vapad. Also, Yoda WOULD have mopped the floor with Palpatine in a straight up lightsaber fight. Why do you think Palpatine wanted no part of him. He tried to run away from him. And when they did fight, he jumped away and tried to use force lightning instead of lightsaber because he knew he had no chance in a duel with Yoda.
And even then he got overpowered. Look at the fight and Palpatines eyes. He get scared and starts screaming in pain as Yoda overpowers him. He only survived because the energy power threw them apart and Yoda needed to flee because of the plot.
So yea, Windu did most definitely wreck Palpatine.
@@luciusdomitius9377 mace was whooping dat nigga
“Many were led to believe this was poor screenwriting..”
Yes.
Guess u missed how Anakin said that he was very powerful and he had to be badass to suppress other potential Sith, a basically all of them except his apprentice.
Still, palpatine sliced through them like butter in the matter of seconds which is stupid
The book details it a bit better. Palp used a screening technique in the book, to allow his advances to go unnoticed. Kit was poked with a light saver right through the head & was quoted that you feel no pain in the brain. Mace was only able to survive the onslaught due to the fact that he uses the Dark Side at times, but won’t allow it to consume him, he saw the shroud his other fellow Jedi couldn’t.
Agreed if most people think it’s bad a screen writing, then it’s bad screen writing.
We can cite the books and comics to explain away questionable scenes like this, but the movies should have been able to stand on their own. Fans and experts should not have to dig deep just to answer why the screenwriting seems so dumb.
Think about watching this scene when ROTS first was released. Very disappointing to see 3 Jedi MASTERS get butchered almost immediately. Saying that Sidious was way better is not a good justification for them dying like total punks. Isn't it silly that explanations and analyses have to be made afterwards just to make their deaths seem less stupid?
Years of academy training, wasted!
Epic toy story reference
How about because because of a poor screen writer?
burger5082 That's what I think.
The book was prob written after the movie so yea, poor screen writing but a creative way to cover it up
thats definately it. Kit Fisto is my favourite Jedi and i hate seeing him die so easily...At least they couldve cut those two other jedi masters and let Fisto die in a real fight.
I have to agree. The book was written after the movie. Things were included to explain the poor screen writing.
I saw on a documentary that because of Ian mcdiarmid having to learn the choreography in only a couple days coupled with his advanced age, they had to work around all of that so they just made him kill the other 3 off with little to no effort.
they died because Samuel L. Jackson is 10x cooler
CalebDZN 💯 times cooler
1000% cooler
@Walter The Terrible same thing
He died too 😑
Alex Constantinou he won Anakin was the reason he died
Im pretty sure it was a way to just get rid of their characters to lazily show palpatines power, and to just focus on Mace and sideous. Thats why they had such lazy costumes. The other details were just added to cover up this and add depth.
Eli-akad not to mention the poor writing and costume design. "Lets use what Old Ben was wearing while in HIDING as the formal Jedi apparel." Terrible writing for the prequels man
Eli-akad no read the book
The robe was always a classic jedi robe... Anakin wore one a force ghost at the end of ROTJ (before they made him Hayden)
Martin Gilliard The book was released after the movies. Which doesnt disprove anything I typed
Eli-akad what it proves is that you're just a whiney fanboy who expected their favorite to be god-like.
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Star Wars Theory Vader vs Revan and i enjoy your vids keep it up and could you do a what if mace windu turned to the dark side instead of anakin in the duel with palpitine
Star Wars Theory I killed them because they we're week and irogent
could we see Vader vs plagius
Star Wars Theory qui-gon-jin vs kenobi(revenge of the sith) or Kylo Ren vs kenobi( the phantom menace), I love your content!
Star Wars Theory what about mace windu vs Anikan on Mustafar instead of obi wan vs Anikan.....like obi wan replaced windu against palpatine and got killed and mace was sent after Anikan
It’s simple, they weren’t the main characters
@dolofonos You have said the correct thing, these characters are not important to the story and could be killed without a thought.
Wolf043 I concur with your position in utmost respect, these dramatis personae were of little consequence to the narrative portrayal and were thusly felled; the negligible effects of such deaths rendering little to none disappointed.
Kit fitso was
@@jbmendz16 Have you seen that smile goddamnit
@@sen9627 yas its scary as hell
"This harnessed the dark side around him, allowing him to hold his own until the betrayal of Skywalker, leading to...." *UUUUNNNNLIIIIMMMIIITTEEEDDD PPOOOOOOWWAAAAAAH!!!!!*
LMAFO 🤣🤣🤣
UHH
that was a funny transition
In the book Palpatine asked Saesee Tiin to read his mind. While doing so master Tiin lowered his guard so Palpatine could struck him down. Deception was one of Palpatine's greatest powers. By this surprise Agen Kolar was killed before he could finish his sentence that telepathy doesn't hurt. Kit Fisto lasted a little longer in the book. Even when Anakin raced to the Chancellor's office he saw in the distance green, purple and red flashes. The green flashes faded away during the fight. In the Chancellor's office Anakin saw only a blur and light flashes of the lightsabers. This only shows how fast Mace and Palpatine were fighting. In the last moments of the fight, at the balcony, Mace felt through the Force that the shadow (Palpatine) was in fear when Anakin arrived and in that moment there was a drop in Palpatine's speed. This was the Shatterpoint and Mace cut the lightsaber of Palpatine. To this point I believe that Mace defeated Palpatine fair and square. During the fight Vaapad could stand its own against the power of the Sith Lord. In the moment Palpatine fired his Force Lightning and Anakin came closer, Mace felt no more fear in Palpatine. Both Mace and Palpatine 'begged' Anakin to stop this fight. In this moment Palpatine won, Anakin was so deceived that he had to stop Mace for killing Palpatine. To save Padme. Mace asked Anakin if this execution was any different from the one against Dooku, but Anakin said it was different. Mace was also only focussing on Palpatin, that he didn't look for Anakin's Shatterpoint. This was his defeat. Palpatin trusted Anakin and Anakin wanted to save Palpatine. Anakin cut off Mace's hand and Palpatine struck him down with his lightning. This part of the story was better written then what we saw in the movie. Truly a missed opportunity.
Hyandur the book I read before the actually movie was shown gave so much more background about the Jedis' thoughts and their behavior,especially Anakin. I also remember that Palpatine was disgusted of Anakin when he pulled the dismembered torso out of the lava and turned him into Vader as a "gotta make the best out of what is left" since a mechanical Vader would have less cells and thus less body to channel the force. Also, he wouldn't be able to use force lightning since he had no organic hands. This also leads to Palpatine wanting Luke as a replacement for Vader later on .
My man's wrote his own novel in a comment section
Anakin told Mace Windu that Palpatine was the Sith Lord that they were looking for. So they knew what they were up against. I will say this if you look at the Revenge of the Sith Book Chapter 17 you'll read the discussion between the three Masters. You'll notice that Master Fisto wasn't confident about going against a Sith Lord before leaving on the shuttle he muttered this"I'd still feel better if Yoda were here...,"
Curtis Lee good point
Did they write the book before or after the movie? Cause if they wrote it after, they may have done that on purpose.
Curtis Lee Actually, things would have been really better if yoda was here x)
He hunted down and fought general grievous with confidence though, he really should've lasted longer and had a better death
I didnt realize they were jedi masters. I thought they were jedi knights
i thought they were younglings
@@hellomyfriendjaii lol let's go arrest the possible sith lord with younglings as backup lol
I thought they were battle droids! They die that easily!
@@spunkflunk they "fought" just like a youngling would. So its ok
They were in the council so they had to be Jedi Masters. Unlike Anakin. xD
I imagine Jim Carrey saying that “Unlimited Power!” line.
😂😂😂
+1 I thought the same
Haha. Line could be interchangeable in Bruce Almighty
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It would have been even more funny
TBH I think it's just crappy screen writing, and theories have been developed to cover that up
That basically covers the entirety of star wars lol..
Boozal m yeah I can't stand people trying to defend the horrible writing in the prequels
mikeykm1993 it was also used in the dooku fight in the film so no it was thought out
+Storminmormn6 "in the prequels" As if there wasn't just as much horrible writing in the original trilogy that also had to be explained after the fact by fan theories. Better get off that high horse before you hurt yourself.
Just one reason I prefer the novelization of RotS by Matthew Stover is that it goes into much more detail about how the fights played out and explains a lot of little things you can't notice/that aren't included in the movies, it really comes across as a much better story in the book than the movie.
i just wanna know where mace windu is now -,- i dont believe it that hes just dead
Quinn bongers well he would probs be really old by no in force awakens so he is dead
Jared Heath No, there isn't a lot of time in between ROTS and the Force Awakens
from ROTS to ANH is 18 years. from ROTJ to TFA about that as well.
From ROTS to the Force Awakens is 52 years, Luke's age
Reckoning So? The Force can keep you alive for a very long time.
because he is the legend27
Joel Garcia Vasquez he was born from fire
no wonder palpatine looks like a roasted potato
Joel Garcia Vasquez this one sith keeps kicking my ass
Raidescence yeah the palpatine27
The palpatine27 just captured my Jedi!
Imagine some random person just randomly driving it’s spaceship when all of a sudden Mace Windu’s body falls on it’s spaceship
Nice
Free food!
Jedi Poodoo
There is a robot chicken parody similar to that
Mace windu survived confirmed
Well, I disagree with that. It WAS horrible screen writing and not supposed to be like that. The novel describes how it was supposed to be before Lucas changed it to make it more family friendly. Nobody doubts that Sidious, Yoda and Windu were more powerful than Kolar, Tiin and Fisto. But it is impossible that the gap between them was so high. It also makes no sense that Fisto was killed so easily when he was so powerful that he wasn't stunned like Tiin and Kolar. And last but not least: the movie gives no clue that Kolar and Tiin were stunned. Yes they stood there like amateurs when they were killed. But when you want to show that they were stunned by the scream, then you have to do it completely different.
Pjupe because kit was seeing through the illusion fear
Pjupe I lowkey hate when people try to make theories for this. The real reason is poor writing and the fact that George had Ian do a lot of his own stuntwork for the fight. I'd rather have seen a CGI Sidious blurring around killing the 3 others before mace
no ur all too high
Pjupe Well, there is the point that the Jedi are at a disadvantage because they are in such a close vicinity. They can't just move out of the way or swing their sabers around to parry a attack because they might strike each other in the process. I feel like if they were smart enough to spread out or move towards a wider area, then the fight would had been more even. (I mean cmon, look at how close they were to each other)
Jackson Weaver I'd rather just enjoy the film instead of being a whiny pretentious little bitch about it. But hey, that's just me.
I'd say the real explanation would just be that the fight was poorly planned for the movie, simple as that. Would have been way more interesting to see Palpatine fight against four jedi masters simultaniously for a while before killing them.
Let's also not forget that the last star wars movie we saw Palpatine in a fight, he was simply picked up and tossed down a pit. But I am sure there's some poor excuse written down in some book about that too.
Willem Verheij I'm sick of these poor excuses TH-camrs make to get views and explain the terrible writing on the movies to justify why they love it so much. I love them, but they're garbage
Willem Verheij yep he created a fountain of lightning when picked up by vader, stunning him until he was thrown that shaft
Martin Gilliard Figures yes. I gues even C-3PO could have killed him. Would have been even less suspicious than his fellow sith whose son he was torturing.
watch how palpatine toys with maul and his brother in rebels.
I'm not saying I disagree that it was a poor scene, but you can be at ease a bit more by seeing how palp's skills with a saber is, even though it's CGI.
tboy072 The cartoons are just way too silly for my taste. Maul being alive alone is already sillier than the dumb way he died.
Then again star wars seems to have a thing for unsatisfying villain deaths. Palpatine, Maul, Boba and Jango Fett all died like chumps.
Pretty sure all of them are also suddenly not dead in expanded universe stuff.
Allowed Mace Windu to “hold his own?” He disarmed and beat him outright until Anakin’s betrayal. What movie did you watch?
Imagine if Mace was successful, there wouldn't be eps. 4 through 9. Therefore Mace had to die, so Star Wars could live.
@@lamarravery4094 It's not for definite that Windu is actually dead.
@@danurban1982 explain his absent in episodes 7, 8 and 9
@@poptart2989 There was talk about doing a Mace Windu spin off film where he survived.. Plus S.L Jackson got the nod from George Lucas and his signature confirming that he isn't 100% confirmed dead.
It's far fetched I know 😂
@@danurban1982GIVE ME MACE WINDU SHOW
I used to think that they were just really terrible Jedi.
AFoxOn YT It’s the only logical explanation. Palps is good, but he’s not THAT good. It’s stupid
@@Tempusverum Palpatine was one of the most powerful siths ever
@Exar Kun if not the most powerful
@@Tempusverum Why isn't he that good? Because you don't want him to be?
@@exarkun3080 But they literally were facing the other way when he stabbed them...
what if mace windu turned to the dark side instead of anakin in the fight with palpitine
***** yh I see where your coming from but it would be a fun topic to cover for a Vid and I think mace and palps would be a dominate force in the galaxy
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ZRK.G7 dude plz do this!!!!!!
ZRK.G7 now why the fuck would he do that?
Rogelio Aldana because his anger he can not controll it and also it would be a fun spinoff and maybe he has no more faith in the Jedi order anymore amd has realised that they are doomed, but it would be a fun topic to cover
"many think this is poor screenwriting"
Many are absolutely correct.
How is this poor screenwriting?
HakaMataFaka 1997 Is this a joke? back then when the movie was filmed these Jedi were just extras ... the lame excuse with that scream is just hilarious.
@@flolikeyou6053 i know what you mean but i think thats incorrect. I think that this scenes idea was to show just how powerful palpatine actually is. Windu gathered a few jedi masters to go with him and they were fucking useless because palpatine is the sith lord. To say that this is just poor screenwriting isnt the case in my opinion
does Earth exist in Star Wars?
501st Battalion yes just in a galaxy far far away
501st Battalion it depends on how you imagine E T known in star wars as "the Asogian" they appeared in the phantom menace in the Senate room and in a star wars novel , a senator named Grebleips arranged for a group of them to go to a new galaxy, and you should know what that galaxy was,hint the name of a candy bar.so they eventually made it to earth .the E T species home world was "Brodo Asogi" they we're botanist like the Ithorian race. :-)
George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are good friends, ET was included in Star Wars has a nod to Yoda appearing in ET as a Halloween costume
501st Battalion well Coruscant is the human origin world so I'm thinking it is the equivalent (I Guess)
Well we can assume Earth DOES exist in the Star Wars universe, because of the E.T. species that briefly appears in the Senate room in the Phantom Menace. We can also say that E.T.'s planet is in the Star Wars galaxy because of this. So when Elliot finds E.T., he's seeing an extraterrestrial from the Star Wars galaxy. Also, when E.T. sees a Yoda costume, he shouts 'Home!', which probably means the E.T. species and and Yoda's species are usually with each other.
We can also assume that from the lines, 'A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...', the events of the E.T. movie take place long after the events of the latest Star Wars movie, the Force Awakens, so we can assume that both Yoda's species and E.T.'s species survived the Galactic Empire and are continuing their heritage.
So you can see that Earth exists in the Star Wars universe, and the galaxy from Star Wars also exists in the E.T. universe.
Or they're the same universe.
Windu didn't just hold his own though, he straight up beat palpatine
Windu was the guy that got sent through the window to fall to his death right? What a win.
Jay Kutts only because anakin stopped him from killing palpatine. No anakin- no emperor
@@jaykutts9664 yeah he obviously doesn't survive the encounter but only because anakin betrayed the jedi. In the 1v1 portion of the fight, windu brings palpatine to the ground
@@tomg3657 So if Mace and the other 3 Jedi would of killed Palpatine technically they would have lost because it was 4 v 1
Jay Kutts you’re so stupid🤦♂️
Now what ACTUALY is the reason, not a theory is this:
Back when the movie was filmed, the three jedi masters that died alongside Windu didn't even have specific names. All the fame and feats and powerlevels grew around them after the movie was released, as a sort of an expansion about the characters from the movie, in form of comics, books, cartoons and etc. That's the only explenation you need, actually. Unnamed jedi die easily throughout the whole series. Remember the jedi who was killed with two blaster shots by Jango Fett? Yeah that was also apparently a jedi master from the council. Who knew right? Well, not Lucas when he was filming. All these jedi's who died easily are just extras while the movies were being shot. So nobody cared if they die easily or not, because we know nothing about them, they could've been just as esaily some nooby padawans. That's the actual truth behind these scenes, not a theory. The scene was supposed to show how much more powerful then anyone else was Sidious and Windu, so their battle would seem more epic. And how do you show this if Sidious doesn't kill some other random jedi first? Yeah, I know it's shallow, but that's all there is to it.
Mateusz Tur this should be the top comment. Even though the fans see Star Wars as this gigantic universe, the fact is that Lucas only saw them as movies, and he only considered important and canon what happened in those 6 movies, none of that ultra fantastic and terrible non canon fan fiction that followed the main series.
Truth right here
Well spoken they expanded on the lore after the fact which then gave the scene a bad rap....the other saber were OUT OF THIS WORLD! Especially Anakin and Obi-Wan I mean WOW
I agree. It further makes sense that in the time of the late republic, "Jedi" had grown into an empty title, the ancient reputation of which very few Jedi-in-name lived up to. Most of the ones that promoted through the ranks of the order did not hone the skills associated with their station. Actual competent Jedi like Windu were the exception, not the rule.
This deserves more likes
What if the Death Star successfully fired at Yavin 4 before it could be blown up?
Ming Mong *Everyone is dead*
Ming Mong What if darth maul also killed obi wan and he escaped
it could be better off for anakin since palpatine still has his apprentince and maybe count dooku would not turn to the dark side
Ming Mong because Luke used the force
It would be impossible cuz the Death star has a Cool down of 24 hours after any shot, but it should have landed in range of Yavin 4 after exploding Alderaan , anyway... the Empire world be unstopable after v
blowing up Yavin 4
oh well
:P
I really like Obi Wan but all of this could’ve been prevented if he listened to Count Dooku. Count Dooku literally told him who the Sith Lord was, but obi didn’t listen
Wait when?
@@dakotatrue12 oh geonosis in episode 2, he said the senate was under control by a dark lord (talking about palpatine) but obi wan just brushed it off and thought he was lying
@@Karen-dn7qd ah, thanks.
@@dakotatrue12 no problem
He could have given Anakin THAT secret at least for his fight with Obi Wan. The high ground is no match for 360 spinning and spectrum screeching
But that in turn is no match for Obi wan. If you look clearly Anakin actually spinned somewhat and was yelling when he jumped at Obi wan.
I'm sticking with the shitty screen writing here.
Trent Brown by goerge lucas are you stuhuuuupid?
Quality Continent then you have no clue about film writing and im not riding on a hype train or smth i just respect his work it was fantastic and also the acting from the actors
No amount of force power discussion explains that first dude dying to the most telegraphed stab in the world without even trying to block it. The way it's shot you'd expect anyone with eyes to see it coming.
BIG B0SS honestly would you react in time when a old man does a 920 degree spin from a sitting position while screaming autistically? I don’t think so
Honestly, all cinema duels are horrible, especially all of star wars. No duel should last that long and if you don't believe me, watch any weaponry martial arts master duelling. It takes a matter of second before one has taken a major strike.
The slow swings, unnecessary twirls, and retarded stab is bad choreo... but the amount of time it took for the jedi to die in that fight is honestly believable with both the comics explanation of force scream, surprise, and how palpatine is a master of all light saber forms, changing to whichever form counters his opponent if need be.
If anything thought, I want to know why palpatine restricted himself to using just lightsaber and not any force powers until he was cornered. Strange because force powers were his forte especially shown in the fight against yoda.
I think the fight would have gone better like this:
Palpatine jumps up and he and Mace strike lightsabers, then rears back and stabs an unready Agen Kolar. Saesee Tinn strikes at Palpatine but he blocks it then slashes Tiin. He turns back to Mace and Kit Fisto and the two put their lightsabers up to fight Palpatine. Palpatine strikes at Kit Fisto but he blocks it then at Mace. Mace blocks this as well. Palpatine repeatedly strikes at Mace then turns to Kit Fisto who is behind him. He strikes his lightsaber twice then turns back to Mace. Mace strikes Palpatine's lightsaber and Palpatine steps backward. Kit Fitso then strikes at Palpatine along with Mace, but Palpatine block both of them. Suddenly he pushed Mace back when he strikes his lightsbaer and then, using the force, pushes Kit Fisto backwards as his lightsaber flies out of his hand. He hits Palpatine's desk and is knocked unconscious. Mace Strikes at Palpatine and the two turn down the hallway.
*Continues on as it does in the movie*
That way it shows the other two clearly were shocked and unready for his powerful fighting but Kit Fisto Survives due to his quick wit and the fact the Palpatine focuses on Mace. It seems a bit more balanced and shows Palpatine isn't completely unbeatable.
Ya it made palpatine look like an unbeatable, uncounterable god (he kinda is) but Crest toothpaste mascot (kit fisto) died within seconds and he was one of the most powerful masters.
Yes!
@Jaxson Rodham Kit Fisto deserved better
this is merely a case of the red shirts, there needs to be a few who die quickly to enhance the status of the bad guy before the duel with a popular character, who also happens to last longer and comes close to defeating the bad guy, if not for deliberate setting up of scenes whereby a conflict of morals plays out palpatine would have died because mace was written in as a popular character with high level skills
So he barked and Killed 3 Jedi masters.ok.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀
I don't think you realize he barked
*spiritually*
Bruh
Did Vader ever go visit Padme's grave?
Probably and went emo over it
Geo Xev
yes. there's a comic about it.
Yes
In his free time visit her
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
To think that these Jedi would not be ready for a duel w another skilled saber wielder is ridiculous. Don't feel obligated to defend George Lucas' horrible screen writing.
ImStayGold42 exactly it's not like it couldn't have been possible to put sabers in the hands of skilled clones in the fights they had before and couldn't have been prepared.
This fight was rigged. Mace windu clearly had the high ground at the time.
Also, Mace's self control watching his Master Jedi friends dying in linked to his unbending personality, as seen in many sw HQ's
"Force Scream is meant to show intense fear"
Memers: that's where you're wrong, kiddo
Ok boomer
You called us "memers" Lol
It was such a waste. I think mace windu alone was sufficient to take sidious instead of bringing other jedi masters (except yoda).
It should have been Yoda, mace windu, obi-wan, and kit fisto
I would like to see Plo Koon's electric judgement vs Palpatine's force lightning
@@Mark_Master1 They kinda doubted Darth Sidious, they probably thought Kit Fisto and Saesee Tin was more than enough and just gave them Mace Windu to say "Yeah fuck you"
Ikr
But they had no idea how powerful palpatine was, so Mace probably took some more Jedi just in case.
The plot armor is weak in these Jedi.
Kit Fisto died because he sensed Anakin coming and got distracted
He death upsets me the most because he felt anakin. Like if kit wasn't around he most likely would have survived order 66. He also had the for sight to want to wait for yoda and obi-wan to return. Tho windu ignored him
His*
Is that in the books or something?
Umm, no.
66th like
It’s because when there’s a lot of Jedi, the Sith are strong, when there’s a lot of bad guys or Sith, jedi are overpowered, it’s just plot
Number 2 Pencil for real bruh niggas out there making 30 minute theory videos like bro get a life 💀😭
Jesus Christ So neither of you have any appreciation for story then
Jan Terri I’m sorry but “story” and the prequels don’t go together in a sentence
logmeinhere It may be flawed but there is still a pretty decent story there especially compared to the sequels
It's conservation of ninjutsu. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu
So you're saying for well over a DECADE since the re-appearance of the Sith (Darth Maul), and betrayal of Dooku, they were still incredibly complacent and did not bother to train for potential saber vs saber combat?
Good point
Indeed, as Dooku said to Obi-wan, "Jedis are decadents".
They thought that the Siths were gone forever, and when one appeared again, they weren't even sure that they didn't kill the Sith lord.
They were too confident in their power, and that's how Palpatine took the Jedi order down.
Luke "quotes" that in SW8
I was wonder... why G. Lucas never mention the "methods" in the movie?
Nothing, even a single word about it in SIX movies.
Why the people like just saiying that "Dooku uses this mothot thad win that method". Seems like it is book idea that never proves himself in the movies, but the fans uses...
May i wrong, but...
They did train with lightsabers, but I recall there being something about disagreements about which skill sets were okay to use. I forget which, there was some jedi that used a light version of the sith lightning. He wasn't evil, but he was pretty much discouraged about using it. Palpatine, evil as his intents were, wasn't hampered by an order telling him what to learn and what not to lean.
I heard a lot of the stories from the comics and the now legends books, there were some jedi that used skills people like Yoda would never approve of. It's one thing to continue using it and not getting caught, but you'd think someone would catch on if you stuck it in the youngling's curriculum.
It's kinda strange. The dark side cripples itself by going too far sometimes, the light side does the same by limiting how far.
Because Palpatine used Unlimited Power.
it was super effective
Unlimited power? Sith? Not jedi?
One problem also is that having four jedi masters fighting together isnt always useful. Its like having four alpha dogs, these jedi masters (to my knowledge) have barely fought together. So fighting in a cramped space as the office would be just as likely to harm each other as the councilor. That is represented by the Jedi's hesitation to make the first move, they arnt used to each others fighting style. Watch Obi-wan and Anakin, Qui-gon and Obi-wan, Ahsoka and Anakin and you can instantly see the chemistry. Palps made the jedi pay for their hesitation and lack of team work by aggressively attacking.
because palpatine tried spinning, thats a good trick
I did it so I wouldn’t have to suffer Disney.
Understandable
Understandable have a great day
Three suggestions:
What if Anakin went to Utapau
What if Anakin convinced Windu to take Palpatine as a prisoner
What if Yoda killed/disarmed Dooku on Geonosis
They lost because palpatine jumped which gave him the high ground
facts
So true
I have never heard of this "kid Fister" before
Go watch the clone wars
Teonn Gaming HD It’s a joke.
jimbo D you haven’t seen seven , American beauty, horrible bosses ?
Teonn Gaming HD r/woosh
They left their plot armor in their quarters.
Kit Fisto’s look in clone wars makes the live action version ink like an actual squid
I'm going to go with poor stunt work and choreography mixed with lazy writing.
Chocolate Rain Yeah, George Lucas didn't want to have to choreograph a 4v1 light saber fight so he killed two of them immediately
Since I guess having a 2v1 or 1v1 is a lot easier than 4v1
Mace in the high council:
I need the three dumbest Jedi Masters in this room to help me arrest a very powerful Sith.
cowdeemo Who you calling dumb? I mastered one of the hardest forms for a Jedi to master.
@@femboyalex3918 lmao
Honestly the whole council could prolly raise their hands at that point
@@wowisntitanamazinglyamazin9550
Mind you that they did send Kenobi to fight Grievous just to flex their "Council" muscles and to show Skywalker that they had a say over him.
Kit fisto is the best one out of the tree of them!
Then why did he die before Mace Windu dumbass.
@@aaronsinson3263 well, he kinda did die.
@@mse2130 But he didn't die "so easily"
@@aaronsinson3263 he dies just because of anakin
Dumbasses go to the dark side. Careful you should be. Care about something so trivial you should not.
Kit fisto has bragging rights as he lasted for about 4.5 seconds, longer than the other two Jedi masters
Bladez I’m a winner see my prize, your a loser who sits and cries. ;)
Star Wars Theory: “we’re going to explain why this wasn’t lazy screen writing”
Also Star Wars Theory: proceeds to explain that all the Jedi Palpatine killed were expert duelists and further helps support the lazy screenwriting theory.
Not expert lightsaber duelists tho one was a star fighter duelist and the other was a duelist in hand to hand combat
@@theguardianwolf7206 He said, and I quote, "Agen Kolar was an expert swordsman duelist"
None of them were expecting Palpatine to be a Sith. All they had to go on was Anakin’s word.
@@FireLordJohn3191 That's crazy. Can't they see a red lightsaber after Palpatine said, "it's treason, then"?
That's not a sith, just a random guy whose good friend said was a sith holding a red lightsaber.
Dude that was before he pulled out his lightsaber
Palpatine’s Naboo screw move is like how Mr Miyagi described the crane kick “if do right, no can defense”.
They lost because they werent expected him to do a 540 Kickflip Ollie our of the air.
2:53 So, basically, Palpatine was a Dragonborn...
00:02 me when my friend takes the last slice of pizza
Kit Fisto also sensed Anikin which threw him off gard aswell
No sensed not interact. Like you know by useing the force and then you see anikin come in not to long after. Like legit same sene
Hopefully that makes more sense.
@Luis Martinez lol mabey I just love the character and I cant let him just die the way he did.😁☺️🙂🙂☺️😋lol
It was to late the end was coming
"The Jedi didn't even expect the old chancellor to be a Sith Lord, and when he was they saw their first one ever. As he hurled himself like a cyclone of evil at them" great observation. You also have to keep in mind, while you say the Jedi were usually only gaining training for blaster deflection, because the sith were thought to be extinct. Palpatine had been training in lightsaber combat at a very young age. Solely to dispatch Jedi/saber wielders. In conclusion he was very much ready for that moment against his long standing rivals (jedi)
Who thinks Mace Windu could have survived Palapatine's force lightning and landed somewhere, broken but alive.
Shawn J It would be an excellent way for boba to finnally get revenge.
I do
Confirmed Mace Windu is Snoke! :)
Mace gets a +200 boost when he's nearby (or shatters in the middle of the fight) a window.
As it was shown him beating Palpatine only nearby the window.
Though he can easily be beaten as well since windows are his kryptonite too
one thing I would like to add is they probably also had a false sense of confidence thinking about how obi wan killed a sith lord on his own when he was just a padawan and yet they were 4 jedi masters and had mace windu considered the second most powerful jedi at the time so they probably were thinking they had this in the bag
This is really impressive rationalizing and shows deep knowledge of the source material, but I have a hard time believing any of these points went into the shooting of this scene.
What if Padmé was a Jedi knight? (If you like this idea, please put it in the comments so Star Wars Theory will do it, please?)
It's a stupid idea lol.
Star Wars Fan Girl
do it so that she grows strong with the force while carrying the Skywalker twins
Star Wars Fan Girl That is a terrible theory.
What if Padme was really the Sith Lord they had been looking for?
Vincent Esposito No he wasn't. That's a stupid theory. Same with the Darth Padme bullshit.
kit fisto did not deserve to be killed
likr if agree
:,(
bet he won´t be smiling now
***** well that is hardcore .......also not good for him
But it was inevitable. Kit Fisto only mastered form I and Jar Kai, while Sidious had knowledge of all 7 froms of lightsaber combat. And Sidious was extremely skilled in Form VI: Niman (thanks to Darth Plagueis).
Mace Windu lasted the longest, because he was able to direct the dark side of the force and all the emotions coming from Sidious (the hate, the anger, the compassion) back to it's source thanks to the advanced form of Form: VII Juyo called Vaapad. Giving himself completely over to the thrill of the fight. Leaving both of the combatants in a super conductive loop.
what if Count Dooku didn't left the Jedi Order
What if you learned proper grammar?
Stop it. Don't be rude
Palpatine be like: *360 no scope!*
Or the real reason they died so quickly: to move the plot along 😂
So you are telling me that Jedi masters, who were told they were gonna be arresting Palpatine on charges of being a Sith, were not prepared for Palpatine to reveal himself a Sith and caught off guard?
That seems...absurd.
Shit if i saw a old man do 360 flip i would have caught off guard too
When was the last time you saw an old
Man screech like a demon and do 360 spin like 15 feet forward
Isn't it ironic how his now is windu and he dies by flying out a window
Lol
I don’t know why Kit Fisto is so cool to me, but he’s my favorite Jedi after Obi-Wan and he’s barely even relevant.
Dale Sajdak Not the case in the clone wars series. He’s an essential character
Monte Melikyan Yeah I’ve never seen the shows other than Mandalorian.
HA! gaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Why thank you.
@@femboyalex3918 arent u dead
What if obi wan and Qui-gon did not take anakin with them to the jedi temple
Eppa78 lol then star wars story would be shitty...
What if Obi-wan never sent Anakin on that mission with Palpatine?
i think if Qui-gon never took Anakin then Palpatine would of eventually sensed his force sensitivity and trained him as a sith
why did palpitine fry his face on purpose
Well, his lighting was aiming at Windu but it was reflected back at him
Jared Heath He didn't he concealed his true face from the Jedi. That's how the sith look when they embrace the power of the dark side
Ming Mong but he could of stoped the lightning at anytime why did he keep it going like it was on purpose
Jared Heath For one he needed evidence that supposedly the Jedi was taking over by recording it on his security cams . Also he wanted to see which side ankin would take
Jared Heath he revealed his face and he needed evidence against the Jedi he used force ghost so no Jedi would be suspicious on him and also to turn anakin to the darkside
You know how Mace died?
He flew out of the windu
Watching Star Wars: the Clone Wars episodes with Kitt Fisto in them and knowing full well what his destiny is...sigh
Because every character who isn't given a name is a "you're it."
Robert Roth 😂
the first guy was literally looking the wrong way lmao
No, he was swinging his saber.
I always just assumed that Palpatine was so terrifying that they lost their nerve.
It's called horrible writing and direction by George Lucas. The two devil looking Jedi, with the first one killed had his back turned to the incoming Palpatine and the second one is just standing there looking stupid. The other dude with the dreads had huge fingers and couldn't possibly hold his light saber with any dexterity and maneuver it competently against the lighting-fast Palpatine.
I have to agree with you. It was so annoying when they died because there was no reason for it. At least let them fight and have a cool death like Mace Windu. Also, I have a theory. Kit Fisto’s body isnt there at the end. Maybe he escaped. Plus, Tiin and Kit Fistos slashes were weak. Maybe both went off and survived after the battle!
@@hl254 yeah kit fisto is master of trick
There are extraordinary people (like Palpatine in real life) & extraordinary liars. Violence hasn't been that suppressed by the weak that u couldn't see that in history and tales told.
I don’t have that big of fingers, and I also mastered one of the hardest forms for a Jedi to master.
"Force speed", "force scream".
No. Just no. You make this sound like some fucking video game. "Congratulations, you've reached level 5. You've unlocked ability Force Scream".
Eetu Palo The movies aren't the main canon to star wars, the comics are. The limitations to what could be shown in the movies is based on the real actors used. In star wars, people could run in a blur, the force lighting used by weaker sith than sidius could turn people to ash, and some could even steal other people's life force. You can't take the movies for what they show.
Bryian Hampton Yes, but that doesn't justify giving these abilities idiotic sounding names like "Force scream".
Eetu Palo Dude, it's just a fucking name. So, you're not going to question, force run, force push, force jump or force mind read?
Bryian Hampton Actually I question all of those. They all sound fucking retarded.
Why must everything be over complicated with all these 'force abilities'?
How about, simply, that the Jedi had not encountered Sith for centuries, and therefore had fallen into a state where they are imagining themselves more strong and capable than they really are.
They have not been really battle tested against a Sith Master until now, and are simply not up to the task...
An old screaming man twirls at three aliens and a bald dude with his laser sword and effortlessly takes three of em down.
Movie writers to book authors
Ok guys you have to explain how that happened and dissect every minute detail
Writer: How about the scream was a force scream
Other writer: you brilliant bastard
Wrong, it's because of plot armor, Palpatine's gotta one shot all them for da epic duel of Purple laser sword and da bad guy.
Mekong I hate when peeps try to retroactively explain away bad story writing. It’s bad writing, and the plot armor leaves a bad aftertaste.
IN MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL