@@emilior934 yeah I use it as a distraction most of the time, supports and dps will take time to destroy a teleporter even if it’s in a bad teleporting spot
As a sym main I hate when people take my tps , cause using tp is such a dichotomy that only the sym will understand, because I know for certain there are times when I was also glad that my tank took tp and off angled with me
At 2:48 you’ll notice that he’s really low here, he throws a turret while crossing the sight line of the enemy team just in case a projectile we’re to hit him and the turret could block it, it’s incredible smart and shows the versatility of syms kit
@@xero4035 I think you're underanalyzing. Did you forget that there was a health pack he walked over to grab? He jumped to move his head hitbox because good players don't walk in a straight line, he peeked because he had to, and he threw a turret to block possible damage.
@@xero4035 No what he's saying is right, he hesitated moving into vision first, finished reloading and then did the trick. If he did not bother, he would just have taken the pack while reloading.
@@cagxplays9602 first of all,jumping makes you easier to hit in a lot of situations. no idea where you got the idea,that if you jump,which is the easiest predictable route of your hitbox,makes you harder to hit. i mean,you cant control your direction midair,nor crouch or anything. thats just stupid in that situation.. and for the health pack,line of sight would have been easily broken with crouch and moving backwards a little,then nobody would have been able to actually have LOS at all. after all he had 9hp,any bodyshot would have killed him at this point. it makes no sense to enlarge the overall visibility of your hitbox (by jumping lowground enemies dont see your legs for example,you change that by jumping) also interesting side note,there is a workshop code by ioStux (ow coach) its an aim trainer basically,but with a great feature -> reset if you jump to break the habit of jumping. thats mainly bc jumping messes up your own aim but also its interesting because that just shows there is a need for a trainer for the habit of jumping. and thats what i think was happening there in that clip,nothing more just a habit,bc if you'd be nitpicking that situation,that jump was risky if you think about the other option (walk back a lil,crouch,break LOS,grab the healthpack would have been 100% safe) also i think he read the fight great in that situation,i think he broke los first (when he dropped to low hp) then when he didnt have their attention (winston engages the people that shot at symm),he threw the turret,grabbed the healthpack and basically was in the fight again. and thats all bc he knew about attention. not bc of that unnecessary jump.
@@BoehseToene Okay relax coach cassidy. Jumping is incredibly useful and even pro players do it, the difference is that you don't want to be predictable in your movement consistently and you're not jumping for every single action you do. You think not jumping makes you harder to hit? If I play hanzo and i notice that someone is only strafing and not mixing in jumps, it makes it incredibly easy to predict their movement. Not to mention when I have wallhacks on someone, I preaim the corner where their head would be, jumping around the corner would raise your head hitbox above the crosshair of the hanzo/widow etc and you can no longer be easily one shotted as you come out of cover. Thanks for the input, but jumping is perfectly fine in situations and teaching people not to jump at all is just as incorrect as teaching people to only jump strafe. Good players will hit their shots regardless of how you move or jump, so being as unpredictable as possible is the best play, not following some "never jump" guide. I've been gaming my entire life, I will continue to jump where necessary, thanks. It's a really good idea to form your own opinions instead of blindly following some random coaches guide, because even higher level players have incorrect takes. He's not entirely wrong about jumping, but it's situational and things that are wrong in some situations, can be right in others. Instead of never jumping, instead get in the habit of never repeating patterns, because patterns make you easy to hit, not necessarily jumping.
That was certainly superb Symmetra play and a good analysis. I think it's fair to take into account (and this video is a perfect example) that Sym excels as more of a supportive DPS role with her poke style gameplay as opposed to an aggressive, opener style DPS. It's clearly laid out here as the ally Sojourn or Winston gets the first pick in most team fights while Sym gets none.
Great video! Just one small correction on sym TP, it has a 12s cooldown and 10s lifetime, so it has a 2s downtime between them if you let the 1st one run out naturally
A great analysis. This guy makes playing against Sym a nightmare and the way he uses teleporters so fluidly is incredible. I do like Sym an dusing turret bombs are such a cool dirty trick, but she can be a great tank-buster once her beam gets charge you can melt down most tanks quickly. Couple her with Lifeweaver platforms and Mei walls, and you can do some crazy sh!t I also noticed the Photon Barrier, I mean "Wakanda Forever" was always deployed straight instead of laterally - I can see the tactical advantage in doing so.
another great educational video! congrats on being over 10k too! your channel is growing super fast. i would love to see some tank analysis in the future, like ball dva and monkey
I one tricked sym to diamond recently and even tho sym has to try really hard to beat pharah, you can still win against her based on the map. Bc of the way pharah rockets work she cannot destroy 3 spread out turrets as fast as everybody else can. This info comes in handy on certain chokes like eichenwalde 1st bridge where if she flies over it she gets zapped like a bug. Lijang tower which has 2 extremely closed space control points. Etc etc
I find myself letting my team go first and let them deal with it then I fly in. And I tend to try and stay away from to many building or imma become a floor pharah
Yeah, i just shoot pharah out of the sky, it’s good practice to get good aim with her, i almost never miss anymore, also nobody should sleep on the beam, it’s extremely strong on flying characters and can reach farther than you think
on eichenwalde there's like 2-3 different ways for pharah to get around nearly every choke, so if they're dumb and flying close to the first bridge they deserved to get zapped lol
1:58 SymmetraMain here, if you let the TP naturally disapear it only has a 1-2 sec cooldown (sometimes the worst second in the life of a Sym) which means he either destroyed it or the enemys destroyed it
YO KROW. Im a high diamond tank and dps player and recently started picking up and learning sym so this is perfect timing fro you to make a video on her. Your content is easily some of the best OW content out there i love your vids and keep up the hard work. Cant believe how little your following is man your so underrated. Much love :)
honestly i was mostly suprised at how little he uses left click and chooses to almost always poke instead. one of very few sym playes ive seen be this cautious. altho i want to see what he would do against a good pharah tbh
@@stolenhero6650 it takes 30 seconds to recharge all the turrets and they get insta killed by basically any damage with 30 HP. Symm is super niche and weak rn
she's a glass character, the counter is shoot hew 2-3 times, one mccree grenade means she dies her weapon takes time to build up and loses power in 2 seconds if sym/torb is so good why can't anyone get them to work in OWL?
I main sym, although I'm still new to the game. I agree that I have little issues with most comps, but pocketed phara and pocketed echo are super hard me as sym. I always have to swap hitscan
the one thing I didn't know about sym is that upon using tp ability the location of the portal is set instantly and the time it takes to activate is something to be cautious of
Notice that he only went to beam level 3 maybe once in the entire match. He doesn't rely on his left click hardly at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he uses the Sojourn trick of rebinding the right and left click.
Symm is topping my annoying character to play against tier list. Along side Junk Rat (just bc of the ult), and Widow. Interesting how they’re all damage heroes but there aren’t any other heroes who cause me to sigh as frequently
Yes, I hate Sym, Widow and Hanzo to play against the absolutely most, but I'm getting to a level now (higher gold supp) where I understand why there are so much discussions about sojourn
I personally play Zarya in this way and I don’t really know why but it feels like it helps with aim. It weirdly feels like the jiggling allows for more on-the-fly adjusting of your aim
Tried this out now on havanna and it actually works out really well and I dont play sym that much (a junk main) but god damn is it fun! thank you for these videos
been following your channel for a bit and it's really inspired me to try new heros out, my friendgroup now has a running joke that every week im the main of a new different hero. whatthe don't know is these switches align with your uploads hehehe
@@KROW_OW it has helped remind me how much fun brig is, and the fact that support can be actual fun, and not the grind that is mercy and ana. id actually love to see u make more vids about support players! maybe a lucio player could make for a fun educational vid 👀
This might be the first time I've been impressed by a professional eSports player's playstyle. It's very subtle and intricate, but basically oozes incredibly high game sense and awareness.
YOOOO! I love these types of videos! Do you by any chance have any analysis videos on Wrecking Ball?? Maybe Chazm, Bellaboo, Moreweth, Jakob, or any other Ball OTP?
I would like to see how he deals with annoying hitscans like widow or Ashe, did he waits for the tank to dive and the positioning while waiting for the tp cooldown
yup, same here, I was expecting hitscans, pharahs and winstons, but instead there's a match where the enemy heroes are either favorable encounter to sym or neutral... so this is clickbaity as hell
I've been playing Sym since beta release of OW1 March 2016. Through all her iterations. She's finally in a great spot and I'm glad to see people finally recognizing her strength! They used to think we were throwing games with Sym as a troll pick, little did they know we were HARD CARRIES >:)
I rarely play sym but whenever I do, i always wish my team would take my tp because i don't even tp to bad location....only good sneaky glitch spots that i know from being reddit lucio main. Like for example, ATK on Kings Row, roll out to place TP behind the bus toward the top of statues head and drop down on unsuspecting team hard. Or let Dva throw her nuclear mech through unaware tp to detonate surprise bomb behind the line.
Krow needs to apologise to my ranked teammates because these recent analysis vids make me want to play mei, sym and torb more often
I apologize to your enemies cuz you're about to dumpster on them :)
went from plat to masters on mei in 3 days thank me later
Please do not curse us with another Mei sym torb main... Us tanks have suffered enough
NO DONT PLAY MEI PLS
@@daddykicc literally same. I have been maining Mei and secondary Torb up to Masters from Plat and now I think I need to add Sym to the mix 💎
0:14
What you actually need to realize is that even in top 50 gameplay, your team won't take your teleporter at the start.
FellsSymmetraMan
I never take any simms teleporters, its a lesson I learned the hard way.
@@emilior934 yeah I use it as a distraction most of the time, supports and dps will take time to destroy a teleporter even if it’s in a bad teleporting spot
As a sym main I hate when people take my tps , cause using tp is such a dichotomy that only the sym will understand, because I know for certain there are times when I was also glad that my tank took tp and off angled with me
half the time when an ally takes a TP its suicide, and only the Sym who placed it will know
When coming out of spawn everyone takes my TPs.... And I'm only plat
At 2:48 you’ll notice that he’s really low here, he throws a turret while crossing the sight line of the enemy team just in case a projectile we’re to hit him and the turret could block it, it’s incredible smart and shows the versatility of syms kit
i think ur overanalyzing it cuz why would he jump, peek, then throw a turret for survival?
@@xero4035 I think you're underanalyzing. Did you forget that there was a health pack he walked over to grab? He jumped to move his head hitbox because good players don't walk in a straight line, he peeked because he had to, and he threw a turret to block possible damage.
@@xero4035 No what he's saying is right, he hesitated moving into vision first, finished reloading and then did the trick. If he did not bother, he would just have taken the pack while reloading.
@@cagxplays9602 first of all,jumping makes you easier to hit in a lot of situations. no idea where you got the idea,that if you jump,which is the easiest predictable route of your hitbox,makes you harder to hit. i mean,you cant control your direction midair,nor crouch or anything. thats just stupid in that situation.. and for the health pack,line of sight would have been easily broken with crouch and moving backwards a little,then nobody would have been able to actually have LOS at all. after all he had 9hp,any bodyshot would have killed him at this point. it makes no sense to enlarge the overall visibility of your hitbox (by jumping lowground enemies dont see your legs for example,you change that by jumping)
also interesting side note,there is a workshop code by ioStux (ow coach) its an aim trainer basically,but with a great feature -> reset if you jump to break the habit of jumping.
thats mainly bc jumping messes up your own aim but also its interesting because that just shows there is a need for a trainer for the habit of jumping. and thats what i think was happening there in that clip,nothing more just a habit,bc if you'd be nitpicking that situation,that jump was risky if you think about the other option (walk back a lil,crouch,break LOS,grab the healthpack would have been 100% safe)
also i think he read the fight great in that situation,i think he broke los first (when he dropped to low hp) then when he didnt have their attention (winston engages the people that shot at symm),he threw the turret,grabbed the healthpack and basically was in the fight again.
and thats all bc he knew about attention. not bc of that unnecessary jump.
@@BoehseToene Okay relax coach cassidy. Jumping is incredibly useful and even pro players do it, the difference is that you don't want to be predictable in your movement consistently and you're not jumping for every single action you do. You think not jumping makes you harder to hit? If I play hanzo and i notice that someone is only strafing and not mixing in jumps, it makes it incredibly easy to predict their movement. Not to mention when I have wallhacks on someone, I preaim the corner where their head would be, jumping around the corner would raise your head hitbox above the crosshair of the hanzo/widow etc and you can no longer be easily one shotted as you come out of cover. Thanks for the input, but jumping is perfectly fine in situations and teaching people not to jump at all is just as incorrect as teaching people to only jump strafe. Good players will hit their shots regardless of how you move or jump, so being as unpredictable as possible is the best play, not following some "never jump" guide. I've been gaming my entire life, I will continue to jump where necessary, thanks. It's a really good idea to form your own opinions instead of blindly following some random coaches guide, because even higher level players have incorrect takes. He's not entirely wrong about jumping, but it's situational and things that are wrong in some situations, can be right in others. Instead of never jumping, instead get in the habit of never repeating patterns, because patterns make you easy to hit, not necessarily jumping.
That was certainly superb Symmetra play and a good analysis. I think it's fair to take into account (and this video is a perfect example) that Sym excels as more of a supportive DPS role with her poke style gameplay as opposed to an aggressive, opener style DPS. It's clearly laid out here as the ally Sojourn or Winston gets the first pick in most team fights while Sym gets none.
every time i play sym i feel like im always saying that im just playing support, shes so crazy.
i really want more support style dps like symm and sombra that has utility to help get your team kills
@@Ncraftmate if the kits would be anything like those two then please no
never have I ever heard someone call syms wall "wakanda forever" lmfao
She does the hand thing 🤣
Lmao i was wondering if i heard that right too! That’s so funny, now im calling her wall that too
I thought it was a reference to some fanart by a Korean artist
Wallkanda
no idea how you only have 12k subs. these videos are so high quality, entertaining, and educational :)
he'll get more pretty soon i bet
13k only 7 hours later. Pretty impressive
Great video! Just one small correction on sym TP, it has a 12s cooldown and 10s lifetime, so it has a 2s downtime between them if you let the 1st one run out naturally
A great analysis. This guy makes playing against Sym a nightmare and the way he uses teleporters so fluidly is incredible. I do like Sym an dusing turret bombs are such a cool dirty trick, but she can be a great tank-buster once her beam gets charge you can melt down most tanks quickly. Couple her with Lifeweaver platforms and Mei walls, and you can do some crazy sh!t I also noticed the Photon Barrier, I mean "Wakanda Forever" was always deployed straight instead of laterally - I can see the tactical advantage in doing so.
another great educational video! congrats on being over 10k too! your channel is growing super fast. i would love to see some tank analysis in the future, like ball dva and monkey
His name is Winston
I one tricked sym to diamond recently and even tho sym has to try really hard to beat pharah, you can still win against her based on the map. Bc of the way pharah rockets work she cannot destroy 3 spread out turrets as fast as everybody else can. This info comes in handy on certain chokes like eichenwalde 1st bridge where if she flies over it she gets zapped like a bug. Lijang tower which has 2 extremely closed space control points. Etc etc
I find myself letting my team go first and let them deal with it then I fly in. And I tend to try and stay away from to many building or imma become a floor pharah
If your playing in a stack, have your other DPS play hitscan or a support play bap.
Hard counter the hard counter then you have no issues.
Yeah, i just shoot pharah out of the sky, it’s good practice to get good aim with her, i almost never miss anymore, also nobody should sleep on the beam, it’s extremely strong on flying characters and can reach farther than you think
on eichenwalde there's like 2-3 different ways for pharah to get around nearly every choke, so if they're dumb and flying close to the first bridge they deserved to get zapped lol
i ceiling turret pharas as well, but sometimes the mercy pocketing them kills the turrets which can be annoying somtimes.
Thanks for finding a vod to review. It was nice seeing how the other rank 1 sym plays B)
:OOOOOOOOOOOO
1:58 SymmetraMain here, if you let the TP naturally disapear it only has a 1-2 sec cooldown (sometimes the worst second in the life of a Sym) which means he either destroyed it or the enemys destroyed it
YO KROW. Im a high diamond tank and dps player and recently started picking up and learning sym so this is perfect timing fro you to make a video on her. Your content is easily some of the best OW content out there i love your vids and keep up the hard work. Cant believe how little your following is man your so underrated. Much love :)
honestly i was mostly suprised at how little he uses left click and chooses to almost always poke instead. one of very few sym playes ive seen be this cautious. altho i want to see what he would do against a good pharah tbh
He is legendary, #1 deserved... He is smart, cautious, and has superb awareness.
I miss old Sym. She was a cool relic of old support design.
Finding your channel was great, it's so well produced and entertaining, love the analysis. I've been watching for a couple weeks now, keep it going
Honestly it feels creative enough I don’t want to see this nerfed much at all
I mean I don't think turrets should be in the game at all
@@stolenhero6650 it takes 30 seconds to recharge all the turrets and they get insta killed by basically any damage with 30 HP. Symm is super niche and weak rn
I love how I played smy, torb and mei before all theses videos. This is just reinforcing my decisions.
You must have practiced videos or had a previous channel why is this such high smooth quality
Sym reminds me of brig in the way that you have a close range primary fire but play super passive and disciplined.
“We summon the wall with Wakanda Forever to block the explosion”💀
she's a glass character, the counter is shoot hew 2-3 times, one mccree grenade means she dies
her weapon takes time to build up and loses power in 2 seconds
if sym/torb is so good why can't anyone get them to work in OWL?
is that foxy9 playing kiriko the same one as the val player for drx??
love your vids my dude. very informal
love the edits!
0:15 I like how you care to point out Sasin is in the lobby but Aiden and freaking FiNN you don’t mention lol
I main sym, although I'm still new to the game. I agree that I have little issues with most comps, but pocketed phara and pocketed echo are super hard me as sym. I always have to swap hitscan
honestly, i still struggle with any flying hero and characters who can oneshot as sym, despite having mained her for a decent while now
I will definitely use this tactic next time. thx for the breakdown.
Sym feels so much better in OW2 than she did in 1. She used to be so niche but she feels way more applicable now.
I love these videos - keep ‘em coming!
I started being a sym OTP mid plat and am currently masters 3 - this hero is BONKERS especially on Kingsrow
the one thing I didn't know about sym is that upon using tp ability the location of the portal is set instantly and the time it takes to activate is something to be cautious of
Notice that he only went to beam level 3 maybe once in the entire match. He doesn't rely on his left click hardly at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he uses the Sojourn trick of rebinding the right and left click.
Amazing vid as always😁 The music is a little loud though
Symm is topping my annoying character to play against tier list. Along side Junk Rat (just bc of the ult), and Widow. Interesting how they’re all damage heroes but there aren’t any other heroes who cause me to sigh as frequently
Yes, I hate Sym, Widow and Hanzo to play against the absolutely most, but I'm getting to a level now (higher gold supp) where I understand why there are so much discussions about sojourn
Great analysis and breakdown!
inspiring, thanks for making these!
One question
Why does he shake so much when using beam?
Is it just a quirk with him in particular or is it something that I missed?
I personally play Zarya in this way and I don’t really know why but it feels like it helps with aim. It weirdly feels like the jiggling allows for more on-the-fly adjusting of your aim
Tried this out now on havanna and it actually works out really well and I dont play sym that much (a junk main) but god damn is it fun! thank you for these videos
KROW love these videos dude, honestly I'm excited every time you guys upload.
these strats were already being done repeatedly by symm otps back in ow1, glad to see that the art of symm is seeing light in ow2
I expected you to explain why symmetera has no counters but you did not.
Click bait.
Great analysis. Keep up the dope content
Why tf he say Wakanda Forever at 1:47 😂😂
Hope you do one for Ashe soon!
Facts
Symm mains when the turrets make a potg: 😮
been following your channel for a bit and it's really inspired me to try new heros out, my friendgroup now has a running joke that every week im the main of a new different hero. whatthe don't know is these switches align with your uploads hehehe
That's awesome! I hope your exploration has been successful 😆
@@KROW_OW it has helped remind me how much fun brig is, and the fact that support can be actual fun, and not the grind that is mercy and ana.
id actually love to see u make more vids about support players! maybe a lucio player could make for a fun educational vid 👀
Nice video! Can we get a lucio analysis?
This might be the first time I've been impressed by a professional eSports player's playstyle. It's very subtle and intricate, but basically oozes incredibly high game sense and awareness.
The way she move thorough teleport
Why does he shake his mouse when firing beam?
YOOOO! I love these types of videos! Do you by any chance have any analysis videos on Wrecking Ball?? Maybe Chazm, Bellaboo, Moreweth, Jakob, or any other Ball OTP?
Does Cistern stream? I really wanna see more of their gameplay
why was it called ego duel when the 2 kirikos fought at 4:05 ?
When you have a mirror match up, it's always about showing that dominance 😎
Cistern is so good
you calling sym’s wall wakanda forever is one of the best things i’ve heard come out of this game 🤣🤣
I would like to see how he deals with annoying hitscans like widow or Ashe, did he waits for the tank to dive and the positioning while waiting for the tp cooldown
I love sniping turrets in the air. In fact the way to counter me is to keep doing that and I am completely distracted cuz ooo shiny.
yup, same here, I was expecting hitscans, pharahs and winstons, but instead there's a match where the enemy heroes are either favorable encounter to sym or neutral... so this is clickbaity as hell
Great analysis, but the music was a bit loud in the video
Damn that symmetra is so aware
Hanzo arrow: “Allow me to introduce myself”
Would love to see this guy play against Stevo or one the other North American top 500 sym players.
but aint phara like a mega counter to her?
Being the world's best sym is similar to being the world's best dictator... yeah that's never a good thing.
Love your content so much
World’s number one point and click adventure
Mans right click accuracy is higher than my hitscan accuracy >.>
lore accurate sym skills
Whats with the backround song i feel like im watching an ad
That game sense is nuts
Like a fine wine
Great vid and Wakanda forever ^-^
Now you're thinking with portals.
is the enemy kiriko foxy9 from drx?
It's possible, but can't confirm x_x
"Symmetra summons her ult Wakanda Forever"
pls tell me which song did you use on the intro?
I've been playing Sym since beta release of OW1 March 2016. Through all her iterations. She's finally in a great spot and I'm glad to see people finally recognizing her strength!
They used to think we were throwing games with Sym as a troll pick, little did they know we were HARD CARRIES >:)
Everybody been recognized her strength she's just hella annoying to deal with (if you main tank).
I used to play sym in 4K+ and actually got banned multiple times simply for picking sym and getting mass reported
@@daintydiagnostics7238 good.
Loved this.
I rarely play sym but whenever I do, i always wish my team would take my tp because i don't even tp to bad location....only good sneaky glitch spots that i know from being reddit lucio main.
Like for example, ATK on Kings Row, roll out to place TP behind the bus toward the top of statues head and drop down on unsuspecting team hard. Or let Dva throw her nuclear mech through unaware tp to detonate surprise bomb behind the line.
I find cass counters sym pretty hard 3 shots tp one shots turrets and does good damage, hes also able to disengage with your roll
It's actually the opposite (sym counters most everything cassidy is) but GL.
That would never work with a soilder solgurn comp
What is the name of the music usedd? Thankyou!!
Amazing content
Why is he shaking so much when tracking? Great video btw!
Making herself harder to hit.
Sym benefits from close range tracking, right click flicking and 180 turns after teleporting, so a higher sens fits the hero
@@nicenamenicky519 it says on his channel that his sens is 800 dpi and 3 in game on symmetra though? Maybe it is an old sens
@@dwmj4342 Bro must have parkinsons then dang
This hurts to look at. She is absolutely deadly in skilled hands similarly to reaper
Hey is there a mod for me to have everyone’s hp as if it’s theatre mode in game? I’d love that
1500 plus hrs on Symmetra and Genji TP your turrets all damn day!
Neat stuff!
Feels like every other dps has better value than watching this thing
How does Sym's Barrier counter beat, I don't get it?
Good gameplay, but this video does not tell us "why symmetra has no counters"
are these right clicks doing full damage?
The game audio and background music are louder than your voice brother
what if pharah and other dps also plays projectile
Is calling Sym's ult Wakanda Forever meta or more situational?
I just called it wakanda forever because of her hand sign. It's more of a dad joke than anything lol
Haha I love it I'm using that from now on
would you ever do a tracer analysis
w + m1
Guess i'll play sym
what do you mean there are no symmetra counters? ashe, widow, hano, cassidy will make quick work of symmetra
do #1 pharah eu analysis, yznsa
i really love the state of this hero and i hope they don't change her too much