I’ve owned all three.... 1022, 2025r, and now 2038r. I agree with your assessments. I finally grew into the 2038r because I wanted increased lift height and capacity. Btw , I recently added spacers to my rear wheels. What a positive difference! While only 2.5 inches on each side my tractor feels incredibly more stable when on angled turf or in the woods. The bigger frame on the 2038 gives it that “ real tractor” feel. And, yes it needs a real toolbox. Love my JD!
I was once in that position of deciding between 1025r vs. 2032/8r. Like Tim said, I think the big thing with 1025r is access to tight spots, which I didn't' have a need for. Therefore, I decided to go with 2038r, prefer to have a little too much tractor than wishing I had a little more. I absolutely love that tractor, we use it all the time.
All good points Tim. I bought a 1025R in order to access gated backyards for clean-up jobs and other tasks. The maneuverability of the 1 series is incredible.
Many thanks for the shout out Tim, I logged in to more notifications than I've ever had. I think I said the "end user" in my video, I honestly think they're all really great tractors, just depends on what each individual needs. Until watching you video I guess I didn't realize the JD's thought process was for the glove box to be a toolbox LOL
Watched your vid last year before Tim posted this one, and it's how I made up my mind on the 2038 over the 1025. New land and tractor owner, developing 32 acres of completely raw hills and trees. TLB for $32k vs $20k was a steep difference. Worked hard this fall, and now have pole barn, 1000ft of road, and 1/2 acre cleared, graded, and graveled off-grid (solar and well) trailer campsite. Phase 2 will be building a home and 3 will be farming. Think maybe it's paying for itself?
I bought a 1025r thinking I'd be using it to cut grass 90% of the time ( a step up from my lawn tractor). I love my 1025r but I use it for so much more than cutting grass. So if I had to do it over again I'd consider the 2038r more, and consider a zero turn for grass cutting instead of the pricey mowing deck. That being said, I'm very happy with my 1025r.
I gotta throw some love to the 2025r, I love mine, got the 260b backhoe with it and use it more than I ever thought I would. Ive done box blade work with it, dug post holes with an auger, my wife even uses it for her garden work and it has impressed me every time..Tried the 1025r also but it just felt to small. No regrets with the 2025r. It will never do the work of the big boys but it was never meant to either. Small size and no stupid emissions equipment are other great perks of the 2025r. Thanks TTWT for introducing me to these great little tractors.
The 1025R is incredible for it’s versatility and for the home owner with, say 2,4,10 acres or maybe more it can be an all around machine, but there will be a time when a larger tractor is necessary it’s no more complicated than that. I’ve said before the JD has made the “gentlemen’s tractor” you’ve shown over and over the ability of the 1025R it’s incredible what it can accomplish for it’s size and power rating., but, again, sometimes bigger is better.
Tim, I have a new 2038R with just 11 hours on it. I researched tractors for over 2-years. I looked closely at the Deere series 1, 2, & 3 for my 10-acre lot. Almost purchased the 2025, but the specs told a story of slightly diminished output as compared to the 1025R. In other words, not enough power. The online reviews of the 2038 are excellent, plus no one ever complains of too much power. I would add that one should consider adding rear wheel extensions, which contributes greatly to the stability/safety of the tractor. I also had the rear tires filled with RimGuard (beet juice), which adds about 500 lbs to the rear. Attachments from Artillian, Heavy Hitch, Mudds Customs, and Deere are quality items.
You know you sold me on the 1025r and I upgraded to the 2038r. I love the Tractor hated the service went to a 60 horse orange tractor with a cab. Guess which one I still till with and bushhog small areas? The 2038r of course lol. I remember a certain you tube guy telling me to get the three series but I am glad I didn’t listen. I pull a six foot tiller with ease and a five foot mx5 and destroy anything that gets in my way. I am glad to see you like the 2038 r. Thanks for all your help those few years ago to get me started.
I just bought a new 1025R for my daughter they have 80 acres. Its $10.000 cheaper than the 2038 and thats big. Not everyone wants a lot of debt. Love your shows Tim
For me 1025R handles everything I do around my house plow, cut grass, backhoe work, loader work thanks again Tim I enjoy your videos keep them coming..
thanks Tim. I will be getting the 2038r. I went to my dealer the other day and took the 1025r for a test ride in the parking lot and manage to find some nice pot holes. Then I took the 2038r for a ride and you are 100% correct when you say there is a different feel between the two. It is worth the price increase to go to the 2038r. What a great site you have. Going to get the shorter forks also. I almost ordered the longer ones till I watched your fork episode. Thanks Tim.
I liked this video a lot. I like the 2038R better after watching this video. Maneuverability is important sometimes, but most people can find away to work around that unless you are in a very small yard.
Tim, great video, The reason I went with the 1025R was maneuverability, need to get into a lot of tight spots when landscaping, plus space on the trailer. Also your comment on not disconnecting the rear PTO warning switch was well done. That switch is on there for a reason. I have read a letter where a person backed over a child while mowing. Never disconnect that safety switch. Thanks again.
Great job Tim. I had a 1025r for two years (probably due to your early videos) and upgraded to the 2038r while you were still shopping for a larger tractor, and in the end you came to the same conclusion as me! All the marketing departments and spec sheets create confusion, but seat time is a fact Jack. After running both a 1025r and a 2038r for the same applications for two years each, the 2038r just shines brighter in refinement, usability and capability over the 1025r. Hard to describe until you run one, and it should for the cost and updated design. I’m really curious to see what JD does to the 3r to separate that machine further from the 2r in future redesign.
Great videos Tim. I bought mine in 2017 and love it. I originally wanted a 2032r, but the Dealer didn't have any in stock and made me a great deal on the 2038r. Thanks again for all the information you and your family provide for us DIYers God Bless
Always good to see videos like this. At the very least we are well informed when it would come time to make a decision on buying a tractor. You do a great job doing these comparisons Tim.
It would be nice if Deere would offer a cab with air on the 2038R. Several competitors do on this size of tractor. Maybe in the future it will be an option. Thanks for all your great videos!
Before I purchased the Deere, I was looking at Kubota, Bobcat (their new sub-compact tractor line, LS and New Holland. Bobcat and Deere were the only ones who came to my property with their tractors...Deere was the only one who took their tractor off the ramp, drove down the hill in my backyard to my land and drove back out. So yeah. Easy Sell.
brett katz :were planing on perchuse 6 or 7 kubota loader tractors when we trade the 2 deeres and 3 newhollands because deere and newhollands here rediclas here and poor service wich we end up gave up dealing with deere and newholland
Michael Mac Tavish The Service in my area (Northern Virginia) has a good reputation. Not saying Kubota or New Holland do not. Deere was the only one who tested their tractor on my decline. There are so many dealers for Deere. I’m sure there are some horrible one last out there.
Great video. I didn't know a few of the details you've talked about. I've been contemplating purchasing either a 20r or 10r for my self and inlays to take care of their property. While I like the maneuverability of the 10r the things you shared in this video made me contemplate getting a 2038r. Thank you!
Great comparison Tim & Christie. 2038 is the only other tractor I would love to own. The maneuverability around my yard is the only thing that prevents me. It would however be fantastic for plowing my 1/4 mile driveway.
Thanks Tim! I'm looking to buy a compact tractor right now. I have some older "farm" tractors that are not equipped like I need and are too big for what I want to do. I have a loader on a 1954 JD 60 but with no power steering and a hand clutch it's very hard to do much with it. I am very glad to see the 1025 and the 2038 side by side. it's hard to get a size comparison from a picture on line. Great video and very helpful. Thanks' again.
Is there a more informative compact/subcompact tractor source anywhere else on the net? I think not! Great information as always and I personally believe you are as unbiased as a person can be when it comes to your experience and opinions.
back when i was looking last year and i spent over a year deciding it came down to lift on FEL I wanted to support 5acres and my woodworking with pallets of lumber. For everything else i liked the 1025 (especially cost). I even considered just going lighter on wood as in smaller stacks. But with getting older & since i'm plopping down a huge amount of $$ anyway get what I wanted. One thing to consider as well is amortization over time. Sorry MBA coming out in me. I did a side by side comparison, and found that the incremental amount extra to jump to the 2038r was not that significant(at least in my view). Having used it now for 8 months, glad i did make the jump. However one area while not significant is if you use the belly mower or even pull behind mower, the impact on the yard after a rain is visible. Since I did do remguard in the tires and just with weight of the machine, on occasion i left marks in the yard. Now i know that and avoid by waiting more but it is something that the 1025 would be better. I just lifted a big pallet of lumber up on to a deck with 16' lumber and it did not grunt. I'm sure i could not have done that with the 1025. Thanks for the advise last year. BTW, my dealer when we were talking indicated the few 2025's he sells usually get brought back and traded in on 2032's or 38r's. He had two used on the lot when i ordered mine. Not bashing them, but he indicated that was just the case. Cheers and thanks again for the advice it did work out for me.
Since the 1025r has smaller tires than the 2038r, I’m not sure that it would be any ‘lighter’ on your yard. The extra weight of the 2038r is distributed over a larger surface area. Make sense?
I would like that as well Tim!!! I feel that would be a great video. I myself have the same thoughts. Taller tires more ground surface less weight. But I'm not sure if data will reflect this enough to change the offset in the weight of the 2 machines. 2400lbs on 2038r/ 1400lbs on 1025r. Tractor data numbers Tim!!! Just was looking at things.
th-cam.com/video/NkmeONm9iBA/w-d-xo.html The video shows the steps involved in disabling it, here is the steps... 1. Turn key on but dont start. 2. With your right middle finger, press AND HOLD DOWN the display mode button. (The button in the top middle, that has little windshield wiper symbols on it). So with this button HELD DOWN, the password you will need to enter with the turn signals is RLLRLR. 3. The screen now should say "ECU". Press the right turn signal 3x to see "ICC". 4. Select ICC by pressing the display mode button. 5. Right arrow (turn signal) to 014. 014 will say 01, if RIO is enabled. 6. Switch to edit mode by pressing the hazard button on and off within 2 seconds. 7.The right arrow changes the number, the left arrow switches to the other number, so press the left arrow to move the cursor to the 1. 8. Press the right arrow until it says 0. Now both numbers should say 00. 9. Press and hold the display mode switch 3 seconds to exit. 10. For the change to take effect, Shut the key off and wait a few seconds, then start. Special note: If you have error codes displayed, momentarily press the display mode switch to acknowledge the error.
I love the information you put out. I have a smallish yard surrounded by woods and overgrown fields. When my cub cadet has made its last pass/project in my yard, we will be getting a Johnny.
Another great comparison video. Your channel should be required viewing for anyone looking to purchase a JD. It's been fun watching your channel grow and I've learned a ton along the way.
A thorough and fair comparison. I just ordered a 2038R and am looking forward to using it. Your channel has helped me a lot. I spent months comparing the pros and cons. All these are good tractors.
Thanks so much Tim for what you and your family do! This is exactly what I was looking for. I’m deciding between a 2025R and a 2032R. And you make a lot of relevant comparisons. I think the lift capacity and lift height of both the loader and PTO are going to be the deciding factor for me.
Wow, what a great objective comparison. Certainly appreciate your willingness to share your opinions and thoughts. I have a Massey Ferguson 1740M that is quite similar to the 2038R. My favorite features are auto throttle and cruise control. Cruise control comes in handy when using the rotary mower in larger fields.
I grew up with independent brakes on all our tractors and they made a big difference when turning. You could lock one rear wheel and turn in a much tighter radius, almost spinning on that wheel like a skid steer.
Tim; I have a 5085 M that I use in my poultry operation and my dad purchased a 5075E to use on the farm for the purpose of a three point hitch water furrower implement. The M series (like the R series in the compacts) are far more desirable, with a multitude of refinements not offered in the E (economy) series. I joked with my dad that his E series was a Mahindra painted green. Nice tractors, just cheaply made.
Harvey, one thing I notice is that E VS. R is much different at the different series. 1, for example is very minor. 3 is a huge increase in capability/capacity. 5 is the one you accurately describe. One needs to study closely since there is very little consistency in what E vs. M vs. R really is.
My 2038R is being delivered this Wednesday. I had ordered the 3039R in July to be delivered in October which was pushed back to late January 2022 and with the strike probably later. Just found out today the dealer had a new 2038R on the lot today so made the purchase -- looking forward to getting it. This will be my first tractor. I blame you for putting that desire there :) my finance committee gave me permission :)
I care for four and a half acres in rural upstate NY and own a 1023e with a loader, 54"deck, 4' brush cutter, 5' rake and back blade, and 54" snow blower. I have had a 2038r with a loader and 72" deck as a loaner for about 2 weeks. Lemme tell you... It is impressive. Comfortable, stable, powerful, smooth, and the ergos are great. I don't farm... I just do typical things like mow, move big rocks around, cut brush, and rake out my gravel driveway. I liken the 2038R to owning a Ferrari or a Bugatti.... This thing is awesome to use,(TURBO!!!), but I wouldn't want to pay for parts, tires, and maintenance. I say that as a homeowner with a relatively small piece of property. All the things like larger tires, fancier lift, systems, pollution control devices turbocharger, will eventually cost money to fix or maintain. If I farmed at all or had a larger piece of land the 2038R would be an incredible machine for me. I was very fortunate to be able to test drive this one for so long...I've got a hundred hours on my 1023e and have already put about 8 hours on this 2038R ...To be honest I can't wait to get my 1023e back. For me, on my property and with the way I use it, the 2038R feels like I'm trying to shave my face with a weed eater instead of an electric razor. Don't get me wrong that 2038R is well worth the extra 12 grand or so it would cost.... If I had a need for its size and extra features. OH...The e-throttle I love.... Every tractor should have that!... Thanks for the great videos Tim!!! ( Tim did nail this... Dead on accurate comparo )
Wish this video was available when I bought mine 2 years ago. I was waffling between the 2025r and the 2038r. Glad I went with the 2038r. I didnt even realize the frame size was different. My reason for the choice? You never regret getting more horsepower lol.
Tim - if you see this comment, could you please share this comment with Christy? Christy - I was watching another 1025R vs 2038R comparison video on my iPad. The video had so many fast camera movements, I had to stop watching it. I felt a bit of nausea because of the other video’s constant fast camera movement. Your videos are well produced. Even if you have camera movement, say from a drone shot, you insert just a little bit of “B” roll video, then you jump back to tri-pod stable “A” roll. Thank you for the countless hours you spend creating your quality edited videos. Thank you Christy.
elk creek acres is a great channel and i will say he done his research when buying 2038r and asking questions on my channel when i bought mine a watched ttwt and watched his interviews with john deere but my opinion is go atleast one size bigger than you think you need my 2038 has went through some tough test and has continued to impress me thanks for the info tim and helping everyone with your channel
Tim, thanks for the most comprehensive review/comparison of an JD tractors. I’m torn between the 1025R vice the 2025R.I like the idea of the larger 2025R but your 1025R points are virtually impossible to beat…lm guessing the 1025R is my best option. Thanks for your time
BTW, one of the cool things about buying my tractor is that I have become good friend with my dealer. He drives right by my place on his way home. He stops by for a beer every once in a while and I get the skinny on John Deere machines. Also, I have a John Deere history book that I would like to send you guys. How do I do it?
My first tractor is the 2038R, I base this selection on viewing TRACTOR Time with Tim. John Deere Green 2038R is an awesome machine. Price? You get what you pay for, in this case an excellent value
I mow with my JD X738, very maneuverable with the full time proportioned 4x4. I use my 2025R a lot in the sand. I think bigger tires help. I wish I had bought a large 2 series. Dealer didn't think I needed a large 2 with the regen cost. At that time Pat was very happy with his 2025R.
I had to go with the 1025R. The entry to my woods is at a 30 degree decline. The lower center of gravity is what drove my purchase. I would have bought a 2038R, especially for the power... but i will use the 1025R for a few years and re-evaluate. I think I made the right decision for what I need to do... and the storage space I have right now.
Did you add ballast to your rear tires - it can do wonders for lowering the center of gravity. I am on the verge of getting a 1025r and my property has some slope to it.
CAOH I will. I haven’t even received the Tractor yet. The Backhoe was on backorder. Should be receiving next week. I am going to purchase the rear wheel weights and some rear ballast. I think I should be set for what I need... every time I think that, I am buying something else. I don’t even physically have the tractor yet. I see lots of overtime in my future....🤷♂️
Right - FYI i will not be getting a backhoe, just a loader, box scraper and rotary cutter/mower. Maybe forks - although the fork extenders have always work for me and much cheaper. I am considering a flail mower.
Hey Tim Thanks for your input and views. You have actually helped us make the right choice for our purchase here in Australia. We have just ordered our new 3039R with mid and front pto, 4in1 loader.
I would bet a 3E has Much more ground clearance than the 2038R. ( 3E is 14.3 inches!) The optional 43 inch Tires ( R4) give it even more clearance. No low hanging stuff underside to get in the way of the Potato "hills". Great Video Tim ! I like Pats Videos too :)
IMHO, JD screwed the pooch on ground clearance on the Gen-2 2-series. The Gen-1 had much more ground clearance in the rear. Seriously, my X500 riding mower has more ground clearance in the rear than does a 2038R. Why?
That mower deck electronic lift feature is a great one.. About time JD offered two remotes on the back besides the 'power behind' feature.. IMHO, that's relatively worthless - and I've added enough items to actually make that a second remote... ('15 3039R). Good video, Tim...
Brake pedal usage is HIGH here when back dragging Snow on a icy driveway and bucket edge is down and tires are up for maximum scraping the driveway. IF the drive is sloped or crowned you MUST use the brakes to steer the tractor or you will end up off the side and maybe in a ditch.
Bough 2025r well woth extra mony to me. Bigger tires the main reason. It's taller dosen't sink the front tires when pushing snow or on soft ground. Loving it!
I have always regretted my 2025R purchase. You nailed it. 2025r is more or less a 1025r w bigger tires and much bigger price tag! Next tractor will be in the 39hp range w large frame. :) Good video. Deere should just drop the 2025R.
Hi from England. I’ve been following your videos Tim and Christy since October for research and ideas into which compact I get for our 3acre garden. The timing of this comparison is perfect as I had a demo 1026R a month ago and my dealer just dropped off for another trial the last remaining 2036R in UK before they move to 2038r with diesel particulate (and a 9% price increase). I’ve been round our site with it and it’s still able to get along our paths and spaces the 1026R did. I think you’ve clinched it for me with this video and helped me justify that extra cost with the additional benefits and future proofing. Gonna catch up on a few more of your videos now. If you’re ever in the UK it would be great to meet you. Matthew.
Tractor Time with Tim I saw your video in Germany. Got to research all my attachments now, unfortunately we don’t have such a big choice as you do in US.
The biggest thing is what you want to use the tractor for.. Not just for the size. That's more important than anything else. But you have to remember that if you are not going to be moving mountains with the littlest of the two.
I have a 2038R and love it. I agree with everything you say about it. The only thing I would add is "load & go" for the mower is needed for the 2038R. 2nd Bigger front tires. I live in sand soils and it sinks like a rock. Without the loader it does just OK with these tiny front tires. I would love to try a set of the new R14 tires.
You could go wider front tyres, but not bigger radius front tyres as you must maintain the correct ratio of front to back tyres for your 4wd system, otherwise you'll be putting big stress on it and something will break
As usual, I enjoy your videos. "BUT" you still avoided answering if you could only have 1 tractor, which one? I am a 2032 owner and went that route because I needed bigger tires to cross a creek. I also needed 800 pound min lift capacity. Except for those 2 things, my tractor is too big and too heavy (leaves ruts) for 50% of my work around the home. I LOVE my tractor but!!!! On the other hand, for me the 2032R has been large enough, stable enough and heavy enough to do most anything I put it to. I go back to what I believe you said. Get the smallest tractor you can use for your biggest chores, otherwise it will be way to big for your smallest chores.
I have not researched this because I don’t need the option but I believe the rear dual SCVs provides the power beyond function with the switch by the PTO engage button for 3 point attachments like a backhoe. I believe it is SCV 1 to use it.
The 3 series is not between the 1025R and 2038R IMHO. I have a 3038E, then biggest difference with the R series is just add-ons. If that is important to you, then go that way. In terms of actually capacities and ability, the 3038 is the same as the 2038R. BTW, I purchased my 3038E used from my dealer, so I was able to get a larger frame tractor for the price of a 1025R new. Love the videos, keep them coming.
I think we are agreeing. The 3E and large 2R are similar in capabilities. The 2R has more features. My point is that the 3e doesn’t compare at all with the 3R. So, in that regard, your statement that e is same as r with less features. I believe many folks are buying a 3e thinking they are getting much more than a 2r, actually similar to 3R.
@@TractorTimewithTim I was surprised to see how similar the 2R and 3E are in capabilities. The "R" versions have more options that are nice, but come at a cost. I also think you need to evaluate how much you will use your tractor and the additional features. I love buying all new stuff, but I use my tractor about 100 hours a years. Paying a significantly higher price for new equipment with more options didn't make sense for me. For you, the story is probably different.
You’ve sorta done it again. Saying e is simply less capability than R is not correct...as you are comparing 2R to 3E. The 3E is in no way comparable to the 3R. None at all.
@@TractorTimewithTim No, the 3E and 3R are not similar. Sorry if I inferred that. The 2038R and 3038E are a fair comparison, but the 2038R with it's added features is more expensive. That is all I was getting at.
The problem i have is to get rid of my first tractor which is a 1025R, i love it so much. I would rather keep it for small stuff and buy a larger 3-4-5 series for bigger jobs. Nice video, im looking forward for the 3046r review :)
Great video as always. I think in those last few minutes of eliminating the 2025 and the 3e, a brief mention of the 2032 may have been helpful to some.
Hi Tim, I would love to see a maintenance video on the 2038r like you did for the 1025r. Also, a troubleshooting video, lifting issues on loaders etc. Thanks for the great content so far... Very helpful stuff!
Noticed you did not mention the tier 4 stuff with anything above 25hp. Like not to let auto regen indoors etc, But the HP bump is big help for PTO implements. Thanks for the video comparison!
Correct. As of now, DPF is a fact of life. I believe Deere (via Yanmar) will move away from it if the Mahindra approach works well...but apparently, they are not yet confident in that approach.
@@TractorTimewithTim Mahindra employs EGR Valve plus what ever else. This equals more oil changes from my experience with diesel engine and EGRS. Also buying pre 2013 tractor is also another work around. Ya, i know you are dealing with NEW units. Have good day! Thanks ,again!
I personally think for a couple thousand dollars more the 2025r is worth the money over the 1025r. Just the bigger tires makes it way better. Thanks for the vid!!
Thank you Tim and Christy. Very informative. I hope you will consider also doing a comparison between your 2 and 3 series. I am very interested in stepping up to a larger tractor. However I don't think my wife will let me keep my 1025r and buy another. The problem is I only have 1 acre, but am really wanting to do odd jobs and a lot of church work. This is where I believe having the larger tractor is needed. Oh and I would love to see some info on how the 2 and 3 fit inside your ultimate dump. We now have a dealer in Texas and I have just about sold my wife on buying a trailer that costs twice as much as the BigTex I specified.
The Ultimate Dump is amazing. The 2R will fit...with backhoe...but barely. have to turn the backhoe sideways. Getting the gooseneck helps, as you can put the bucket up on the neck. We don't have a 3 series. Borrowed a 3e for awhile. I do not have any interest in a 3e. Would love to have a 3r.
Tim as I always say you do a good job selling the dealers are mostly looking more dollars wish we were aware of what a tractor can do and ehat we needed God Bless All PaK
Finally got my 1025R yesterday, had to wait 3 weeks for a loader to come in, used it a suprising amount already. Very excited to get so much more done over X590. Thanks for all the advice that can be found on your channel.
Tim, That was a really informative video. I bought my 1025R in 2015 new. Never having a tractor before or any experience it seemed like a formidable tool. I was surprised how useful and easy to work it is. I have several good JD and Frontier attachments and the 1025R handles all of them well. I have thought about upgrading to a larger JD but in truth, the 1025R does what I want and need even if it takes me longer than my neighbors with "real tractors". It's reliable and economical to run, and like you said, it gets in to tight areas. My only complaints are the light switch and key are located so when I'm turning around to check operation of the tiller and rotary cutter my knees hit them. I have bent the key and the shaft for the light switch which isn't good. The other problem I have is the U-shaped guard over the rear PTO shaft makes hooking things up very hard for me. I intend to remove it every time I hook up but then forget about it! With the 3 point mechanism installed there just isn't much room to get a good angle on the couplings. Otherwise I love this 1025R and see no reason for me to change out for a bigger one. I maintain a 20 acre place and regularly mow and bush hog half of it as well as doing 2 gardens. The rest is woods and he does fine dragging trees out of the woods for firewood. I appreciate all your informational videos and they have helped me so much to realize the potential of this little fellow!
Tim, personally I think you were a bit to fearful of offending someone in your decision on a tractor out of the models Deere has available. If there were not a market for the variety of tractors with different ‘features’ or capabilities or whatever you want to label it, would Deere build so many? Bottom line is you compared 2 models you have experience with. You in that comparison provided some insights into things to consider as others are shopping. Again it is kinda of like buying a car/truck-determine as well as you can what you need to do with that purchase and then reach your decision! Too elaborate around the car theme, if your primary need is to haul around a family of 6, you would not look at a subcompact car that gets 50 mpg on the highway, but only comfortable seats 4! Same applies to different models of tractors! You determine your needs and then best try to match the model to meet those needs. Of course cost factors into it, and as you pointed out, the subcompact 1 series in all aspects cost less, and they do perform at levels most that have not used them do not believe, but there are limits! Some things you may not be able to do, while others may be doable but done in smaller short term sizes and with more time involved.
Agree on the 2025R - It's essentially a larger frame 1025R & for some that must be an advantage. The 2032R & 2038R as far as I can tell are almost identical exc. the HP. Is is worth the cost difference to get the higher HP? I visited the dealer for the first time last week and at least got to sit on & drive a 1025R (BTW, salesman mentioned "Tractor Time w/Tim") - Felt very comfortable on it and I'd never been on a subcompact. They didn't have a 2032 or 2038 - He said deliveries are running behind & lead times are stretching out pretty far right now but they have them due in so I'll be going back.
Interesting, I have a 2305 and really really like it, I only have 3 acres so really don't need more, it is plenty strong for all my needs. And like you said a huge point is the maneuverability, this is critical in small spaces and you have the power in these confined spaces as well. I think the 1025 will do everything the 2039r will do, but just takes more time. My analogy is owning a bus or a car, the car can do it but with more trips.
Great video Tim very informative i had a 3203 sold it and am back in the market for a tractor i think the 2038r will be a good fit for me but i have to have a cab and a loader and front mount snow blower more important than any thing Mn winter can be tough i plow for a county highway dept here and the last thing i want to do is come home and deal with snow you helped me out big time thanks have a great day be safe.
Thank you for another great video, sir. I’ve watched this a few times over the past few months, and I can really see now why are you made this comparison. As it turns out this is the question I’m asking myself. I do like the better maneuverability of the 1025R, and I’m sure it would be plenty of tractor for me. However, I do like everything else about the 2038R. Ergonomics are also draw for me to the larger tractor (and the R models in general) to help navigate chronic injuries as well. Choices, choices. These are what I call first world problems, haha. Life is good!
I currently have an X585 with a three point hitch and rear PTO and am looking to upgrade to something larger. Your videos have been extremely helpful and after looking at both the 1025R and the 2032R/2038R at the dealership I think I am going to go with the large frame 2 series as I dont want to purchase another unit that is too small for my needs. Keep up the great content.
I agree 100 percent wish I would have purchased the 2038R instead I got the 2025R live and learn I’m still a fan of John Deere but my next purchase I will try to ask more questions
I have owned a 1025r 2016 model, and really loved it, and it’s capabilities, but I must admit, my plan is to purchase a 2038r for its power and features that I just don’t have on the 1025r. It may be an oversized tractor for a lawn mower, but I really think it’s other capabilities will suffice my purchase of this tractor, and I plan to get one in the fall of 2021
I am on the verge of buying a new tractor. We had a New Holland TC30 for many years and sold it - wish we hadn't - but are now in the market and I have been going back and forth between a 1025r and a 2025R. I also have been looking at Kioti CK2510, Manindra 1626, and LS/New Holland - Kabota no so much. I go back and forth - some of the package deals are very good. But everytime I watch your darn videos I go back to the 1025R lol! So confused!
I have a 3032E and a 790 tractors and I believe the horsepower are about the same on both of my tractors and they both does what I want from them. I thought about buying a smaller tractor when I purchased the 790, but learned that I needed more horsepower before getting one and the 25hp tractors would have been too small for me. The ones I have is fine and I just wish they had the armrest on them as the ones I have don't have one.
My uncle has the "2032R"🚜. I Like & enjoy his tractor at times, but i LOVE being on my 1025R🚜 even more! Sometimes he borrows my tractor & when he does, he brings his tractor for me as a "replacement." There are at least 3 things i like on his tractor. i like the little white digital readout on his dash panel, i like the separate, push button, blinking, hazard light switch, & i like the higher height difference on his 3-point hitch Oh, i forgot to mention, i also like the foot step on the left side of the driver entrance. Obviously, it is a little bit bigger tractor with a little bit bigger feel to it, but love being on my little one a whole lot better. thankyou for sharing this video on the "2038R". Take care, God bless, & "Tractor Safe".
@@TractorTimewithTim I had meant to say 2032r. I do a lot of snow pushing with my tractor, and its hard to find tires for these things where i live in canada(shipping is astronomical. Tires cost as much as for my superduty). Adding ballast in the tires is really not an option since i use mine for lawn and landscaping work in the summer. I suppose i could get axle weights, but that is just something to take on and off. And again price point wise i may as well get tires and wheels.
Really good comparison. I’ve been torn on what tractor to buy and wasn’t sure about the 2 series. I thing the smaller tractor would be just a little too small for my farm even though I think it would work. Great video really like the features you mentioned.
Great video! But you forgot to mention that the 2038r has a DPF and the 1025r and 2025r doesn't. You have to replace that filter eventually and that is a very expensive cost.
The manual lists that ash removal or service may be required around 3000 hrs. The cleaning is supposed to be performed by the dealer. I guess at that point it will be determined if a DPF cleaning or replacement is required.
I keep my 1025r in the 3rd stall of my garage along with all its attachments- loader, MMM, snow plow, seed/fertilizer spreader, heavy hitch, etc. And the 1025r can do everything I need to do around my 12 acres. I'm pretty sure I would not be able to store everything in the garage if I had the 2038. So if storage space is tight, consider the 1025r.
2038r would have to be my JD choice. I don't feel comfortable on a 1 series. The "biggest" problem I normally have when trying to compare between A & B ( if I'm lucky C ) for a major purchase is " my size"! 😁 Being 6'9" 250# with a size 17 barn boot, it always limits options. Some how I can fit comfortably in the wife's Nissan Rogue. Front or back.
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“I bought too big of a tractor” is like saying “I built too big of a pole barn.” Great video, thank you for making these videos.
I’ve owned all three.... 1022, 2025r, and now 2038r. I agree with your assessments. I finally grew into the 2038r because I wanted increased lift height and capacity. Btw , I recently added spacers to my rear wheels. What a positive difference! While only 2.5 inches on each side my tractor feels incredibly more stable when on angled turf or in the woods. The bigger frame on the 2038 gives it that “ real tractor” feel. And, yes it needs a real toolbox. Love my JD!
I was once in that position of deciding between 1025r vs. 2032/8r. Like Tim said, I think the big thing with 1025r is access to tight spots, which I didn't' have a need for. Therefore, I decided to go with 2038r, prefer to have a little too much tractor than wishing I had a little more. I absolutely love that tractor, we use it all the time.
I did the same thing. 1025r to 2025r to 2038r. Hands down I love my 2038r. I have to admit I sometimes miss my 1025r.
All good points Tim. I bought a 1025R in order to access gated backyards for clean-up jobs and other tasks. The maneuverability of the 1 series is incredible.
Many thanks for the shout out Tim, I logged in to more notifications than I've ever had. I think I said the "end user" in my video, I honestly think they're all really great tractors, just depends on what each individual needs. Until watching you video I guess I didn't realize the JD's thought process was for the glove box to be a toolbox LOL
I actually cary fencing pliers, 2 large adjustable wrenches, screw driver, extra pins and my gloves in that box.
Seems similar to the box/compartment on the 3e series, I keep 2 chains an shear pins in mine...and that's packed pull😁
Not a bad idea to have an emergency sandwich in there as well. You just never know these days...
Pretty sure Pat knows a guy or 2 who can hook you up with a sandwich
Watched your vid last year before Tim posted this one, and it's how I made up my mind on the 2038 over the 1025. New land and tractor owner, developing 32 acres of completely raw hills and trees. TLB for $32k vs $20k was a steep difference. Worked hard this fall, and now have pole barn, 1000ft of road, and 1/2 acre cleared, graded, and graveled off-grid (solar and well) trailer campsite. Phase 2 will be building a home and 3 will be farming. Think maybe it's paying for itself?
I bought a 1025r thinking I'd be using it to cut grass 90% of the time ( a step up from my lawn tractor). I love my 1025r but I use it for so much more than cutting grass. So if I had to do it over again I'd consider the 2038r more, and consider a zero turn for grass cutting instead of the pricey mowing deck. That being said, I'm very happy with my 1025r.
Thing about the 2038 you have to have def and of course they are more expensive than the 1025 I plan on getting the 1025 for now🤔
I gotta throw some love to the 2025r, I love mine, got the 260b backhoe with it and use it more than I ever thought I would. Ive done box blade work with it, dug post holes with an auger, my wife even uses it for her garden work and it has impressed me every time..Tried the 1025r also but it just felt to small. No regrets with the 2025r. It will never do the work of the big boys but it was never meant to either. Small size and no stupid emissions equipment are other great perks of the 2025r. Thanks TTWT for introducing me to these great little tractors.
The 1025R is incredible for it’s versatility and for the home owner with, say 2,4,10 acres or maybe more it can be an all around machine, but there will be a time when a larger tractor is necessary it’s no more complicated than that.
I’ve said before the JD has made the “gentlemen’s tractor” you’ve shown over and over the ability of the 1025R it’s incredible what it can accomplish for it’s size and power rating., but, again, sometimes bigger is better.
Tim, I have a new 2038R with just 11 hours on it. I researched tractors for over 2-years. I looked closely at the Deere series 1, 2, & 3 for my 10-acre lot. Almost purchased the 2025, but the specs told a story of slightly diminished output as compared to the 1025R. In other words, not enough power. The online reviews of the 2038 are excellent, plus no one ever complains of too much power. I would add that one should consider adding rear wheel extensions, which contributes greatly to the stability/safety of the tractor. I also had the rear tires filled with RimGuard (beet juice), which adds about 500 lbs to the rear. Attachments from Artillian, Heavy Hitch, Mudds Customs, and Deere are quality items.
You know you sold me on the 1025r and I upgraded to the 2038r. I love the Tractor hated the service went to a 60 horse orange tractor with a cab. Guess which one I still till with and bushhog small areas? The 2038r of course lol. I remember a certain you tube guy telling me to get the three series but I am glad I didn’t listen. I pull a six foot tiller with ease and a five foot mx5 and destroy anything that gets in my way. I am glad to see you like the 2038 r. Thanks for all your help those few years ago to get me started.
I just bought a new 1025R for my daughter they have 80 acres. Its $10.000 cheaper than the 2038 and thats big. Not everyone wants a lot of debt. Love your shows Tim
For me 1025R handles everything I do around my house plow, cut grass, backhoe work, loader work thanks again Tim I enjoy your videos keep them coming..
Do you have any issues with deck keeping height adjustment on 1025
Great video Tim. I myself had the dilemma of a 1025r vs a 2025r. I found the 2025r was just a glorified 1025r and not worth the extra money.
As I have said before, I like your reviews. you bring up pros and cons that many salesman do not even know. Thank you, Great Video!
thanks Tim. I will be getting the 2038r. I went to my dealer the other day and took the 1025r for a test ride in the parking lot and manage to find some nice pot holes. Then I took the 2038r for a ride and you are 100% correct when you say there is a different feel between the two. It is worth the price increase to go to the 2038r. What a great site you have. Going to get the shorter forks also. I almost ordered the longer ones till I watched your fork episode. Thanks Tim.
Sounds good! Congratulations!
I liked this video a lot. I like the 2038R better after watching this video. Maneuverability is important sometimes, but most people can find away to work around that unless you are in a very small yard.
Tim, great video, The reason I went with the 1025R was maneuverability, need to get into a lot of tight spots when landscaping, plus space on the trailer. Also your comment on not disconnecting the rear PTO warning switch was well done. That switch is on there for a reason. I have read a letter where a person backed over a child while mowing. Never disconnect that safety switch. Thanks again.
Great job Tim. I had a 1025r for two years (probably due to your early videos) and upgraded to the 2038r while you were still shopping for a larger tractor, and in the end you came to the same conclusion as me! All the marketing departments and spec sheets create confusion, but seat time is a fact Jack. After running both a 1025r and a 2038r for the same applications for two years each, the 2038r just shines brighter in refinement, usability and capability over the 1025r. Hard to describe until you run one, and it should for the cost and updated design. I’m really curious to see what JD does to the 3r to separate that machine further from the 2r in future redesign.
Is your 1025r for sale or did you trade it in?
Great videos Tim.
I bought mine in 2017 and love it. I originally wanted a 2032r, but the Dealer didn't have any in stock and made me a great deal on the 2038r.
Thanks again for all the information you and your family provide for us DIYers
God Bless
Always good to see videos like this. At the very least we are well informed when it would come time to make a decision on buying a tractor. You do a great job doing these comparisons Tim.
It would be nice if Deere would offer a cab with air on the 2038R. Several competitors do on this size of tractor. Maybe in the future it will be an option. Thanks for all your great videos!
Before I purchased the Deere, I was looking at Kubota, Bobcat (their new sub-compact tractor line, LS and New Holland. Bobcat and Deere were the only ones who came to my property with their tractors...Deere was the only one who took their tractor off the ramp, drove down the hill in my backyard to my land and drove back out. So yeah. Easy Sell.
brett katz :were planing on perchuse 6 or 7 kubota loader tractors when we trade the 2 deeres and 3 newhollands because deere and newhollands here rediclas here and poor service wich we end up gave up dealing with deere and newholland
Michael Mac Tavish The Service in my area (Northern Virginia) has a good reputation. Not saying Kubota or New Holland do not. Deere was the only one who tested their tractor on my decline. There are so many dealers for Deere. I’m sure there are some horrible one last out there.
Great video. I didn't know a few of the details you've talked about. I've been contemplating purchasing either a 20r or 10r for my self and inlays to take care of their property. While I like the maneuverability of the 10r the things you shared in this video made me contemplate getting a 2038r. Thank you!
Great comparison Tim & Christie.
2038 is the only other tractor I would love to own. The maneuverability around my yard is the only thing that prevents me. It would however be fantastic for plowing my 1/4 mile driveway.
Thanks Tim! I'm looking to buy a compact tractor right now. I have some older "farm" tractors that are not equipped like I need and are too big for what I want to do. I have a loader on a 1954 JD 60 but with no power steering and a hand clutch it's very hard to do much with it. I am very glad to see the 1025 and the 2038 side by side. it's hard to get a size comparison from a picture on line. Great video and very helpful. Thanks' again.
I think both has it's own purpose and the 1025R is good for small farms and good sized home sites, but anything bigger, I would go with the 2038R.
Is there a more informative compact/subcompact tractor source anywhere else on the net? I think not!
Great information as always and I personally believe you are as unbiased as a person can be when it comes to your experience and opinions.
Always great to get your take Tim as well as the comments from all the followers.
Another great comparison Tim. For me 10K to set up a 2038R like my 1025R. The maneuverability in our wooded lot is one strong reason I went 1025R.
Those are very good reasons!
10,000 reasons actually… 😏
back when i was looking last year and i spent over a year deciding it came down to lift on FEL I wanted to support 5acres and my woodworking with pallets of lumber. For everything else i liked the 1025 (especially cost). I even considered just going lighter on wood as in smaller stacks. But with getting older & since i'm plopping down a huge amount of $$ anyway get what I wanted. One thing to consider as well is amortization over time. Sorry MBA coming out in me. I did a side by side comparison, and found that the incremental amount extra to jump to the 2038r was not that significant(at least in my view). Having used it now for 8 months, glad i did make the jump. However one area while not significant is if you use the belly mower or even pull behind mower, the impact on the yard after a rain is visible. Since I did do remguard in the tires and just with weight of the machine, on occasion i left marks in the yard. Now i know that and avoid by waiting more but it is something that the 1025 would be better. I just lifted a big pallet of lumber up on to a deck with 16' lumber and it did not grunt. I'm sure i could not have done that with the 1025. Thanks for the advise last year. BTW, my dealer when we were talking indicated the few 2025's he sells usually get brought back and traded in on 2032's or 38r's. He had two used on the lot when i ordered mine. Not bashing them, but he indicated that was just the case. Cheers and thanks again for the advice it did work out for me.
Since the 1025r has smaller tires than the 2038r, I’m not sure that it would be any ‘lighter’ on your yard. The extra weight of the 2038r is distributed over a larger surface area. Make sense?
@@TractorTimewithTim I see a video in there to prove your hypothesis ;)
I would like that as well Tim!!! I feel that would be a great video. I myself have the same thoughts. Taller tires more ground surface less weight. But I'm not sure if data will reflect this enough to change the offset in the weight of the 2 machines. 2400lbs on 2038r/ 1400lbs on 1025r. Tractor data numbers Tim!!! Just was looking at things.
I value your opinions Tim. No need to equivocate.
man if i could get a 2038r with a loader and brush hog, for the same price as a 1025r TLB i might jump....but i do want that backhoe!!!
A lot of people don't have little kids around to back over. The ability to mow in reverse is important to them.
The RIO is dangerous when mowing on a hill. I hate it.
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The video shows the steps involved in disabling it, here is the steps...
1. Turn key on but dont start.
2. With your right middle finger, press AND HOLD DOWN the display mode button. (The button in the top middle, that has little windshield wiper symbols on it). So with this button HELD DOWN, the password you will need to enter with the turn signals is RLLRLR.
3. The screen now should say "ECU". Press the right turn signal 3x to see "ICC".
4. Select ICC by pressing the display mode button.
5. Right arrow (turn signal) to 014.
014 will say 01, if RIO is enabled.
6. Switch to edit mode by pressing the hazard button on and off within 2 seconds.
7.The right arrow changes the number, the left arrow switches to the other number, so press the left arrow to move the cursor to the 1.
8. Press the right arrow until it says 0.
Now both numbers should say 00.
9. Press and hold the display mode switch 3 seconds to exit.
10. For the change to take effect, Shut the key off and wait a few seconds, then start.
Special note: If you have error codes displayed, momentarily press the display mode switch to acknowledge the error.
I love the information you put out. I have a smallish yard surrounded by woods and overgrown fields. When my cub cadet has made its last pass/project in my yard, we will be getting a Johnny.
Another great comparison video. Your channel should be required viewing for anyone looking to purchase a JD. It's been fun watching your channel grow and I've learned a ton along the way.
Thanks Gary!
A thorough and fair comparison. I just ordered a 2038R and am looking forward to using it. Your channel has helped me a lot. I spent months comparing the pros and cons. All these are good tractors.
Thanks so much Tim for what you and your family do! This is exactly what I was looking for. I’m deciding between a 2025R and a 2032R. And you make a lot of relevant comparisons. I think the lift capacity and lift height of both the loader and PTO are going to be the deciding factor for me.
Wow, what a great objective comparison. Certainly appreciate your willingness to share your opinions and thoughts. I have a Massey Ferguson 1740M that is quite similar to the 2038R. My favorite features are auto throttle and cruise control. Cruise control comes in handy when using the rotary mower in larger fields.
I grew up with independent brakes on all our tractors and they made a big difference when turning. You could lock one rear wheel and turn in a much tighter radius, almost spinning on that wheel like a skid steer.
Tim, I’m just now upgrading my 2025 to a2038 based on the power and size great video thanks
Tim; I have a 5085 M that I use in my poultry operation and my dad purchased a 5075E to use on the farm for the purpose of a three point hitch water furrower implement. The M series (like the R series in the compacts) are far more desirable, with a multitude of refinements not offered in the E (economy) series. I joked with my dad that his E series was a Mahindra painted green. Nice tractors, just cheaply made.
Harvey, one thing I notice is that E VS. R is much different at the different series. 1, for example is very minor. 3 is a huge increase in capability/capacity. 5 is the one you accurately describe. One needs to study closely since there is very little consistency in what E vs. M vs. R really is.
My 2038R is being delivered this Wednesday. I had ordered the 3039R in July to be delivered in October which was pushed back to late January 2022 and with the strike probably later. Just found out today the dealer had a new 2038R on the lot today so made the purchase -- looking forward to getting it. This will be my first tractor. I blame you for putting that desire there :) my finance committee gave me permission :)
Congratulations!
I care for four and a half acres in rural upstate NY and own a 1023e with a loader, 54"deck, 4' brush cutter, 5' rake and back blade, and 54" snow blower. I have had a 2038r with a loader and 72" deck as a loaner for about 2 weeks. Lemme tell you... It is impressive. Comfortable, stable, powerful, smooth, and the ergos are great. I don't farm... I just do typical things like mow, move big rocks around, cut brush, and rake out my gravel driveway. I liken the 2038R to owning a Ferrari or a Bugatti.... This thing is awesome to use,(TURBO!!!), but I wouldn't want to pay for parts, tires, and maintenance. I say that as a homeowner with a relatively small piece of property. All the things like larger tires, fancier lift, systems, pollution control devices turbocharger, will eventually cost money to fix or maintain. If I farmed at all or had a larger piece of land the 2038R would be an incredible machine for me. I was very fortunate to be able to test drive this one for so long...I've got a hundred hours on my 1023e and have already put about 8 hours on this 2038R ...To be honest I can't wait to get my 1023e back. For me, on my property and with the way I use it, the 2038R feels like I'm trying to shave my face with a weed eater instead of an electric razor. Don't get me wrong that 2038R is well worth the extra 12 grand or so it would cost.... If I had a need for its size and extra features. OH...The e-throttle I love.... Every tractor should have that!... Thanks for the great videos Tim!!! ( Tim did nail this... Dead on accurate comparo )
I have both 1025r and 2038r and love both good job Tim
Wish this video was available when I bought mine 2 years ago. I was waffling between the 2025r and the 2038r. Glad I went with the 2038r. I didnt even realize the frame size was different. My reason for the choice? You never regret getting more horsepower lol.
Tim - if you see this comment, could you please share this comment with Christy?
Christy - I was watching another 1025R vs 2038R comparison video on my iPad. The video had so many fast camera movements, I had to stop watching it. I felt a bit of nausea because of the other video’s constant fast camera movement.
Your videos are well produced. Even if you have camera movement, say from a drone shot, you insert just a little bit of “B” roll video, then you jump back to tri-pod stable “A” roll.
Thank you for the countless hours you spend creating your quality edited videos. Thank you Christy.
Christy here- thank you very much. I do spend a long time editing, trying to provide a good video. I appreciate your noticing!
I have a small farm and went with the 2032R. The 1025 was just too small for what I need to do. The 1025 is perfect for a homeowner.
elk creek acres is a great channel and i will say he done his research when buying 2038r and asking questions on my channel when i bought mine a watched ttwt and watched his interviews with john deere but my opinion is go atleast one size bigger than you think you need my 2038 has went through some tough test and has continued to impress me thanks for the info tim and helping everyone with your channel
Tim, thanks for the most comprehensive review/comparison of an JD tractors. I’m torn between the 1025R vice the 2025R.I like the idea of the larger 2025R but your 1025R points are virtually impossible to beat…lm guessing the 1025R is my best option. Thanks for your time
BTW, one of the cool things about buying my tractor is that I have become good friend with my dealer. He drives right by my place on his way home. He stops by for a beer every once in a while and I get the skinny on John Deere machines. Also, I have a John Deere history book that I would like to send you guys. How do I do it?
can i buy this book somewhere ? would be very intresting
Awesome video!!! Thank you so much for the insight. This has been extremely helpful in my decision to purchase a 2038R.
My first tractor is the 2038R, I base this selection on viewing TRACTOR Time with Tim. John Deere Green 2038R is an awesome machine.
Price? You get what you pay for, in this case an excellent value
Congratulations!
Hello Tim, you hit it right on the head, I have the same opinion that you do on the two models , you did a great job on the breakdown on the two,
I mow with my JD X738, very maneuverable with the full time proportioned 4x4. I use my 2025R a lot in the sand. I think bigger tires help. I wish I had bought a large 2 series. Dealer didn't think I needed a large 2 with the regen cost. At that time Pat was very happy with his 2025R.
There ya go! Trusting Pat again! :-)
Now he is up to 3R!
Will be interesting to see if he steps on up to 4R next year!
Good videos, Tim. Thanks. Your cat knows John Deere is the best!
I had to go with the 1025R. The entry to my woods is at a 30 degree decline. The lower center of gravity is what drove my purchase. I would have bought a 2038R, especially for the power... but i will use the 1025R for a few years and re-evaluate. I think I made the right decision for what I need to do... and the storage space I have right now.
Did you add ballast to your rear tires - it can do wonders for lowering the center of gravity. I am on the verge of getting a 1025r and my property has some slope to it.
CAOH I will. I haven’t even received the Tractor yet. The Backhoe was on backorder. Should be receiving next week. I am going to purchase the rear wheel weights and some rear ballast. I think I should be set for what I need... every time I think that, I am buying something else. I don’t even physically have the tractor yet. I see lots of overtime in my future....🤷♂️
Be careful if the backhoe mounted to the tractor and the tractor is operating on slopes. The backhoe raises the centre of gravity.
Right - FYI i will not be getting a backhoe, just a loader, box scraper and rotary cutter/mower. Maybe forks - although the fork extenders have always work for me and much cheaper. I am considering a flail mower.
@@brettkatz7560 I just added plain old water to my TC30 rear tires - never an issue.
Thanks for the great video. I've been using my 2038R for the last 2 weeks and love it.
Great comparison video. I just settled with a kubota L2501. I love it
Hey Tim Thanks for your input and views. You have actually helped us make the right choice for our purchase here in Australia. We have just ordered our new 3039R with mid and front pto, 4in1 loader.
Congratulations!
I would bet a 3E has Much more ground clearance than the 2038R. ( 3E is 14.3 inches!) The optional 43 inch Tires ( R4) give it even more clearance. No low hanging stuff underside to get in the way of the Potato "hills". Great Video Tim ! I like Pats Videos too :)
IMHO, JD screwed the pooch on ground clearance on the Gen-2 2-series. The Gen-1 had much more ground clearance in the rear. Seriously, my X500 riding mower has more ground clearance in the rear than does a 2038R. Why?
That mower deck electronic lift feature is a great one.. About time JD offered two remotes on the back besides the 'power behind' feature.. IMHO, that's relatively worthless - and I've added enough items to actually make that a second remote... ('15 3039R). Good video, Tim...
Brake pedal usage is HIGH here when back dragging Snow on a icy driveway and bucket edge is down and tires are up for maximum scraping the driveway. IF the drive is sloped or crowned you MUST use the brakes to steer the tractor or you will end up off the side and maybe in a ditch.
Bough 2025r well woth extra mony to me. Bigger tires the main reason. It's taller dosen't sink the front tires when pushing snow or on soft ground. Loving it!
I have always regretted my 2025R purchase. You nailed it. 2025r is more or less a 1025r w bigger tires and much bigger price tag! Next tractor will be in the 39hp range w large frame. :) Good video. Deere should just drop the 2025R.
Sacrilege!! :-)
Great comparison video Tim, love having my morning coffee and watching your video :-)
Hi from England. I’ve been following your videos Tim and Christy since October for research and ideas into which compact I get for our 3acre garden. The timing of this comparison is perfect as I had a demo 1026R a month ago and my dealer just dropped off for another trial the last remaining 2036R in UK before they move to 2038r with diesel particulate (and a 9% price increase). I’ve been round our site with it and it’s still able to get along our paths and spaces the 1026R did. I think you’ve clinched it for me with this video and helped me justify that extra cost with the additional benefits and future proofing. Gonna catch up on a few more of your videos now. If you’re ever in the UK it would be great to meet you. Matthew.
Would be great to have the 2036r!!!
Tractor Time with Tim I saw your video in Germany. Got to research all my attachments now, unfortunately we don’t have such a big choice as you do in US.
The biggest thing is what you want to use the tractor for.. Not just for the size. That's more important than anything else. But you have to remember that if you are not going to be moving mountains with the littlest of the two.
I have a 2038R and love it. I agree with everything you say about it. The only thing I would add is "load & go" for the mower is needed for the 2038R. 2nd Bigger front tires. I live in sand soils and it sinks like a rock. Without the loader it does just OK with these tiny front tires. I would love to try a set of the new R14 tires.
You could go wider front tyres, but not bigger radius front tyres as you must maintain the correct ratio of front to back tyres for your 4wd system, otherwise you'll be putting big stress on it and something will break
As usual, I enjoy your videos. "BUT" you still avoided answering if you could only have 1 tractor, which one? I am a 2032 owner and went that route because I needed bigger tires to cross a creek. I also needed 800 pound min lift capacity.
Except for those 2 things, my tractor is too big and too heavy (leaves ruts) for 50% of my work around the home. I LOVE my tractor but!!!! On the other hand, for me the 2032R has been large enough, stable enough and heavy enough to do most anything I put it to.
I go back to what I believe you said. Get the smallest tractor you can use for your biggest chores, otherwise it will be way to big for your smallest chores.
That last sentence is the best advice. My ground gets soft in the rain and my 345 can leave "mud trails" so my wish list is a 1025.
I have not researched this because I don’t need the option but I believe the rear dual SCVs provides the power beyond function with the switch by the PTO engage button for 3 point attachments like a backhoe. I believe it is SCV 1 to use it.
The 3 series is not between the 1025R and 2038R IMHO. I have a 3038E, then biggest difference with the R series is just add-ons. If that is important to you, then go that way. In terms of actually capacities and ability, the 3038 is the same as the 2038R. BTW, I purchased my 3038E used from my dealer, so I was able to get a larger frame tractor for the price of a 1025R new. Love the videos, keep them coming.
I think we are agreeing. The 3E and large 2R are similar in capabilities. The 2R has more features.
My point is that the 3e doesn’t compare at all with the 3R. So, in that regard, your statement that e is same as r with less features.
I believe many folks are buying a 3e thinking they are getting much more than a 2r, actually similar to 3R.
@@TractorTimewithTim I was surprised to see how similar the 2R and 3E are in capabilities. The "R" versions have more options that are nice, but come at a cost. I also think you need to evaluate how much you will use your tractor and the additional features. I love buying all new stuff, but I use my tractor about 100 hours a years. Paying a significantly higher price for new equipment with more options didn't make sense for me. For you, the story is probably different.
You’ve sorta done it again. Saying e is simply less capability than R is not correct...as you are comparing 2R to 3E. The 3E is in no way comparable to the 3R. None at all.
@@TractorTimewithTim No, the 3E and 3R are not similar. Sorry if I inferred that. The 2038R and 3038E are a fair comparison, but the 2038R with it's added features is more expensive. That is all I was getting at.
Yep. Ok. We are on the same page!
The problem i have is to get rid of my first tractor which is a 1025R, i love it so much. I would rather keep it for small stuff and buy a larger 3-4-5 series for bigger jobs.
Nice video, im looking forward for the 3046r review :)
Keep the 1025r!
Great video as always. I think in those last few minutes of eliminating the 2025 and the 3e, a brief mention of the 2032 may have been helpful to some.
Simply forgot. 2032r same as 2038r except reduced PTO power.
Hi Tim, I would love to see a maintenance video on the 2038r like you did for the 1025r. Also, a troubleshooting video, lifting issues on loaders etc. Thanks for the great content so far... Very helpful stuff!
Noticed you did not mention the tier 4 stuff with anything above 25hp. Like not to let auto regen indoors etc, But the HP bump is big help for PTO implements. Thanks for the video comparison!
Correct. As of now, DPF is a fact of life. I believe Deere (via Yanmar) will move away from it if the Mahindra approach works well...but apparently, they are not yet confident in that approach.
@@TractorTimewithTim Mahindra employs EGR Valve plus what ever else. This equals more oil changes from my experience with diesel engine and EGRS. Also buying pre 2013 tractor is also another work around. Ya, i know you are dealing with NEW units. Have good day! Thanks ,again!
I personally think for a couple thousand dollars more the 2025r is worth the money over the 1025r. Just the bigger tires makes it way better. Thanks for the vid!!
Fair enough! That is why they make the different models. Plenty of room for different opinions :-)
Thank you Tim and Christy. Very informative. I hope you will consider also doing a comparison between your 2 and 3 series. I am very interested in stepping up to a larger tractor. However I don't think my wife will let me keep my 1025r and buy another. The problem is I only have 1 acre, but am really wanting to do odd jobs and a lot of church work. This is where I believe having the larger tractor is needed. Oh and I would love to see some info on how the 2 and 3 fit inside your ultimate dump. We now have a dealer in Texas and I have just about sold my wife on buying a trailer that costs twice as much as the BigTex I specified.
The Ultimate Dump is amazing. The 2R will fit...with backhoe...but barely. have to turn the backhoe sideways.
Getting the gooseneck helps, as you can put the bucket up on the neck.
We don't have a 3 series. Borrowed a 3e for awhile. I do not have any interest in a 3e. Would love to have a 3r.
I believe the 2038 requires emission controls so the big price difference, the engine also is turbo charged.
Tim as I always say you do a good job selling the dealers are mostly looking more dollars wish we were aware of what a tractor can do and ehat we needed
God Bless All
PaK
Thanks for this video Tim. Maybe now I can find a good deal on a used 1025r because people upgrade...
Used is about the only way to get a 1025r now...for the next few months! Supplies are GONE.
Finally got my 1025R yesterday, had to wait 3 weeks for a loader to come in, used it a suprising amount already. Very excited to get so much more done over X590. Thanks for all the advice that can be found on your channel.
Congratulations! I'm sure you're having trouble sleeping!
Excellent video as always. They are both great tractors. Love my 1025r!! Like you said maneuverability👊
Tim, That was a really informative video. I bought my 1025R in 2015 new. Never having a tractor before or any experience it seemed like a formidable tool. I was surprised how useful and easy to work it is. I have several good JD and Frontier attachments and the 1025R handles all of them well. I have thought about upgrading to a larger JD but in truth, the 1025R does what I want and need even if it takes me longer than my neighbors with "real tractors". It's reliable and economical to run, and like you said, it gets in to tight areas. My only complaints are the light switch and key are located so when I'm turning around to check operation of the tiller and rotary cutter my knees hit them. I have bent the key and the shaft for the light switch which isn't good. The other problem I have is the U-shaped guard over the rear PTO shaft makes hooking things up very hard for me. I intend to remove it every time I hook up but then forget about it! With the 3 point mechanism installed there just isn't much room to get a good angle on the couplings. Otherwise I love this 1025R and see no reason for me to change out for a bigger one. I maintain a 20 acre place and regularly mow and bush hog half of it as well as doing 2 gardens. The rest is woods and he does fine dragging trees out of the woods for firewood. I appreciate all your informational videos and they have helped me so much to realize the potential of this little fellow!
You can fold the pto cover upward to get it out of the way.
Tim, personally I think you were a bit to fearful of offending someone in your decision on a tractor out of the models Deere has available.
If there were not a market for the variety of tractors with different ‘features’ or capabilities or whatever you want to label it, would Deere build so many?
Bottom line is you compared 2 models you have experience with. You in that comparison provided some insights into things to consider as others are shopping. Again it is kinda of like buying a car/truck-determine as well as you can what you need to do with that purchase and then reach your decision!
Too elaborate around the car theme, if your primary need is to haul around a family of 6, you would not look at a subcompact car that gets 50 mpg on the highway, but only comfortable seats 4!
Same applies to different models of tractors! You determine your needs and then best try to match the model to meet those needs. Of course cost factors into it, and as you pointed out, the subcompact 1 series in all aspects cost less, and they do perform at levels most that have not used them do not believe, but there are limits! Some things you may not be able to do, while others may be doable but done in smaller short term sizes and with more time involved.
Agree on the 2025R - It's essentially a larger frame 1025R & for some that must be an advantage. The 2032R & 2038R as far as I can tell are almost identical exc. the HP. Is is worth the cost difference to get the higher HP?
I visited the dealer for the first time last week and at least got to sit on & drive a 1025R (BTW, salesman mentioned "Tractor Time w/Tim") - Felt very comfortable on it and I'd never been on a subcompact. They didn't have a 2032 or 2038 - He said deliveries are running behind & lead times are stretching out pretty far right now but they have them due in so I'll be going back.
Interesting, I have a 2305 and really really like it, I only have 3 acres so really don't need more, it is plenty strong for all my needs. And like you said a huge point is the maneuverability, this is critical in small spaces and you have the power in these confined spaces as well. I think the 1025 will do everything the 2039r will do, but just takes more time. My analogy is owning a bus or a car, the car can do it but with more trips.
I like your analogy. …and a car is perfect if you only have a few people!
Great video Tim very informative i had a 3203 sold it and am back in the market for a tractor i think the 2038r will be a good fit for me but i have to have a cab and a loader and front mount snow blower more important than any thing Mn winter can be tough i plow for a county highway dept here and the last thing i want to do is come home and deal with snow you helped me out big time thanks have a great day be safe.
Thank you for another great video, sir. I’ve watched this a few times over the past few months, and I can really see now why are you made this comparison. As it turns out this is the question I’m asking myself. I do like the better maneuverability of the 1025R, and I’m sure it would be plenty of tractor for me. However, I do like everything else about the 2038R. Ergonomics are also draw for me to the larger tractor (and the R models in general) to help navigate chronic injuries as well. Choices, choices. These are what I call first world problems, haha. Life is good!
Yes, hard decision. Not sure I can help any further. Sounds like you understand the trade off pretty well!
I currently have an X585 with a three point hitch and rear PTO and am looking to upgrade to something larger. Your videos have been extremely helpful and after looking at both the 1025R and the 2032R/2038R at the dealership I think I am going to go with the large frame 2 series as I dont want to purchase another unit that is too small for my needs. Keep up the great content.
Sounds good. This video was essentially made for your situation.
I agree 100 percent wish I would have purchased the 2038R instead I got the 2025R live and learn I’m still a fan of John Deere but my next purchase I will try to ask more questions
Wish you had watched our channel before your purchase. We try to provide the insight to help you choose.
I have owned a 1025r 2016 model, and really loved it, and it’s capabilities, but I must admit, my plan is to purchase a 2038r for its power and features that I just don’t have on the 1025r. It may be an oversized tractor for a lawn mower, but I really think it’s other capabilities will suffice my purchase of this tractor, and I plan to get one in the fall of 2021
Ok
I am on the verge of buying a new tractor. We had a New Holland TC30 for many years and sold it - wish we hadn't - but are now in the market and I have been going back and forth between a 1025r and a 2025R. I also have been looking at Kioti CK2510, Manindra 1626, and LS/New Holland - Kabota no so much. I go back and forth - some of the package deals are very good. But everytime I watch your darn videos I go back to the 1025R lol! So confused!
Hmm. That seems like an easy decision :-)
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@@CAOHnutrition what are your usage requirements? I've owned both so maybe I can help.
I have a 3032E and a 790 tractors and I believe the horsepower are about the same on both of my tractors and they both does what I want from them. I thought about buying a smaller tractor when I purchased the 790, but learned that I needed more horsepower before getting one and the 25hp tractors would have been too small for me. The ones I have is fine and I just wish they had the armrest on them as the ones I have don't have one.
I really like armrests as well. Would be quite uncomfortable without them.
My uncle has the "2032R"🚜. I Like & enjoy his tractor at times, but i LOVE being on my 1025R🚜 even more! Sometimes he borrows my tractor & when he does, he brings his tractor for me as a "replacement." There are at least 3 things i like on his tractor. i like the little white digital readout on his dash panel, i like the separate, push button, blinking, hazard light switch, & i like the higher height difference on his 3-point hitch Oh, i forgot to mention, i also like the foot step on the left side of the driver entrance. Obviously, it is a little bit bigger tractor with a little bit bigger feel to it, but love being on my little one a whole lot better.
thankyou for sharing this video on the "2038R". Take care, God bless, & "Tractor Safe".
Great video tim. As a 2014 1025r owner, I should have bought the 2025r at the time. The 1 series is just too light.
2025r would not have been much different. That is the point.
@@TractorTimewithTim I had meant to say 2032r. I do a lot of snow pushing with my tractor, and its hard to find tires for these things where i live in canada(shipping is astronomical. Tires cost as much as for my superduty). Adding ballast in the tires is really not an option since i use mine for lawn and landscaping work in the summer. I suppose i could get axle weights, but that is just something to take on and off. And again price point wise i may as well get tires and wheels.
Really good comparison. I’ve been torn on what tractor to buy and wasn’t sure about the 2 series. I thing the smaller tractor would be just a little too small for my farm even though I think it would work. Great video really like the features you mentioned.
Great video! But you forgot to mention that the 2038r has a DPF and the 1025r and 2025r doesn't. You have to replace that filter eventually and that is a very expensive cost.
The manual lists that ash removal or service may be required around 3000 hrs. The cleaning is supposed to be performed by the dealer. I guess at that point it will be determined if a DPF cleaning or replacement is required.
I keep my 1025r in the 3rd stall of my garage along with all its attachments- loader, MMM, snow plow, seed/fertilizer spreader, heavy hitch, etc. And the 1025r can do everything I need to do around my 12 acres. I'm pretty sure I would not be able to store everything in the garage if I had the 2038. So if storage space is tight, consider the 1025r.
Yep. Good reason for staying ‘small’
2038r would have to be my JD choice. I don't feel comfortable on a 1 series. The "biggest" problem I normally have when trying to compare between A & B ( if I'm lucky C ) for a major purchase is " my size"! 😁 Being 6'9" 250# with a size 17 barn boot, it always limits options.
Some how I can fit comfortably in the wife's Nissan Rogue. Front or back.