Makes no sense tbh... This is too much especially the 275lbs C&J.. One of the differentiators between very fit athletes and elites ones are the lifting ability. Having 10 C&J @275lbs at this stage makes no sense. What's next in 2024 ? 265 lbs snatches for reps ? These things should take place during the Semi finals+
@@bonawah876 Are you dense or something ? Starting at 275 won't make more difference than 225+20-25/round in a 5/4/3/2/1 fashion or even 1/2/3/4/5 if you want it to be even harder. In the end the best will still be the best but the 99%+ of people who paid 50 bucks but won't make it to semi finals won't have paid to make a workout than litterally lasts 5 burpees box jumps over.
these v-ups look very different to the ones on CrossFit's YT page, over there the standard is maintaining a hollow body (shoulders and feet off the floor), and here the demonstrator is touching the floor with both hands and feet in every rep (???)
I’m guessing it’s just because touching the floor creates a clear standard for judging. Standards for competition do not necessarily mean it’s the best standard for training.
Test #3 doesn't make any sense... Fixed weight at 275lbs for men ? WTF ? Is this regionals or something ? Do they actually believe the top 10%er are all juicing ? The burpees box jump over make no difference for most... But 10x 275lbs C&J ? WTF...
Agreed. 225 would be much more achievable for high-level athletes, while still allowing elite athletes to have a good workout and separate themselves with their speed.
@@thom8363 Rubbish, even if they made it progressive like 5/4/3/2/1 from 225 and adding 20-25lbs every round this would have been more than enough. 5 25lbs would make you end up at 345 which wouldn't be easy even for Games level athletes ). Anyway no one from the top athletes from semis won't be able to chain 275 c&j quite fast, so it isn't a real separator for them. Here we go from literally top 10% to top 1% or less. What is the message asking regular 90 percenters to chain 275 ? " Just juice ! " ? Also people are paying 50 bucks, the least for them is to get 5 decent workouts. It would be like putting a very technical and/or kinda strength needing movement ifrst in the Open like RMU or 185lbs snatches because " top 10% are supposed to be able to do it " ( plenty of people qualified without doing a single 185 snatch BTW ) while there are only 3 workouts. Would be bad programming imo.
Dude I can’t wait to see Hiller rip a part a thousand videos no repping with the V up standard lol. I don’t mind most workouts Adrian programs. Most are pretty good, but he’s becoming much to gimmicky with some shit. I mean some things are just absurd and ridiculous. You’re not finding the fittest on earth through some of these movements. You’re just not. Now having said that most movements are good. It’s just some things are really meh. At least I think so but that’s just me.
@@bodacious117 "a crossover has nothing to do with fitness, it's just a skill." Are you unaware that a large part of fitness is skill? 4 of the 10 general skills are neurological in nature -- coordination, agility, balance, accuracy -- and have very little to do with "getting your heart rate up." Here are some other skills which I imagine you have no problem labeling as "fitness" tests: handstand walks, rope climbs, pegboard ascents, overhead squats (after all, they don't test your strength or power output NEARLY as much as back squats), and then of course there are movements of which skill is a vital component, such as snatches, muscle-ups, and DOUBLE UNDERS (in case you've forgotten, for many people, the double under is not a limitation of cardiorespiratory endurance or stamina, but rather SKILL). Since the inception of CrossFit, Glassman contended that movements which require skill are an integral part of fitness, contrary to what most of the industry thought before 2000. Skill demands neurological capacity which comprises over half of the 10 general adaptations. Also, your statement about DUs and your heart rate isn't necessarily accurate. I'm MUCH better at DUs than I am crossovers, so I can recover quite well on a set of 50 or even 100 dubs, but even doing 10 crossovers wears me out. The entire point of high-skill movements is that the better you are at the skill, the less metabolically taxing it is on your system, but when your technique is poor, it requires much more energy to accomplish work. I suggest you go back and read the L1 training guide or some of the early Journal articles, there is much to be learned there.
The problem is that some of these movements are great training movements, but a nightmare to judge/standardize. These should be avoided because it then make the wod a test of who can cheat legally the best instead of whose the fittest.
If you can develop a technique that successfully and consistently lets you kip this then make sure you patent it and sell it for lots and lots of RX bars 😂
@@ficklepickle6290 I’ve seen a video of someone Kipping them and I haven’t seen anything from the standards that say you have to do them strict or no Kipping
So with the crossover... Standards is unclear. Does the rep start with a regular single under or can you start crossed over? Do you count your goal of 40 jumps or is the jump only counted when you crossover?
I imagine it’s 40 crossovers, at least that’s how we count them in my box. This way, if someone misses or has to do extra jumps between the cross, it doesn’t get confusing.
@@spencergsmith Boz.just.posted a video. It's at every cross and then uncross... So basically 41 jumps if you go unbroken and start with an uncrossed single under. Sux that he posted it at like 8-9pm so anyone who did it earlier in the day, may have ended up double double the reps...
@@lfopilot92 it’s a very hard movement to keep a consistent standard for because Peoples body’s are built so differently as far as proportions go and to have it in an Amrap as well They should have just used the GHD again like the row was a second set at 500 But this is just an opinion sir
@@rxopie64 I see what you mean about proportions, but to use GHD again feels lazy as every competitor is already well versed in it. V-Up removes the feet anchor and adds legs into the equation making it more challenging in certain aspects. Standardizing the movement will be tough but I think it's possible.
@@lfopilot92 well then the second row would be redundant from that same perspective The standards in a amrap competition wod should be easily judged seems like to much gray area I’d have liked to see toes to rings or straight legged sit-ups even Yeah the GHD is a skill we all know they’re great at but it’s an amrap and the wheels can fall off without an athlete possibly knowing it in V-up but the GHD is tried and true Thanks for the reply
I think it's stupid that competitors can just let the bar fall to the floor. I think I better test of strength and endurance would be to put it back on the floor properly.
Heels down, bar over the frontal plane, shoulders slightly in front of bar in set up, torso angle relatively constant in the initial pull, lumbar curve maintained, active shoulders throughout… I see no gross movement faults.
@@Mikero421 just because everybody nowadays is doing basically RDLs without extending their hip to the fullest just to be blistering fast and not match the standards, does not mean that the conventional DL which is 50% pushing with the legs and 50% pulling with the posterior chain is not a correct DL. Imho most of elite athletes are not a good example when it comes to this movement. It's all about the speed not about doing it correctly. And that's CF's fault in the first place.
Wow. After 3 barbell workouts in the open we now have 3 barbell workouts in the QF. This is tailored towards the bulky weightlifting specialist with short limbs and has nothing to do with athleticism/fitness anymore. Can somebody please start an alternative to "Nobull CF Games" soon? Not interested in this "new Crossfit" and definitely not paying $50 for such BS programming.
@@bodacious117 as I already explained to you in another comment, they are no more of a "gimmick" than double unders, snatches, handstand walks, or pegboard ascents (I seem to recall people complaining about those when they first showed up in the Games in 2017, too). A broad, general, and inclusive fitness requires mastery of SKILLS. You should familiarize yourself with the second model of fitness, the Hopper. As Glassman put it, you can put ANY physical task into the Hopper, and the fittest person should be capable enough to handle whatever comes out, as opposed to complaining about how certain exercises or tasks are "gimmicky."
The wall is going to be pregnant by the time I'm done with those chest to wall handstand pushups! 😂😂😂.
The escalation in difficulty from open to quarter finals is staggering.
Makes no sense tbh...
This is too much especially the 275lbs C&J.. One of the differentiators between very fit athletes and elites ones are the lifting ability.
Having 10 C&J @275lbs at this stage makes no sense.
What's next in 2024 ? 265 lbs snatches for reps ?
These things should take place during the Semi finals+
@@Miiiiiiightyagreed
@@Miiiiiiighty how does it make no sense? This is the qualifier to semifinals.. it should be ONLY games athlete level people that can make it there
@@bonawah876 Are you dense or something ? Starting at 275 won't make more difference than 225+20-25/round in a 5/4/3/2/1 fashion or even 1/2/3/4/5 if you want it to be even harder.
In the end the best will still be the best but the 99%+ of people who paid 50 bucks but won't make it to semi finals won't have paid to make a workout than litterally lasts 5 burpees box jumps over.
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V-ups standards are gonna be a nightmare to judge. Just do toes-to-bar lol
I was thinking the exact same thing
Yeah that’s gonna be a “fickle pickle”
So true or toes to rings or more GHD FOR CHRIST sake
That deadlift one looks so freakin fun!
Yo these look so awesome. LFG!! ... Thats what I would say if I was in the QF's and a Games athlete. But alas... Killer tests for sure.
Thanks for checking it out, Josh! Let us know if you decide to try any of these.
these v-ups look very different to the ones on CrossFit's YT page, over there the standard is maintaining a hollow body (shoulders and feet off the floor), and here the demonstrator is touching the floor with both hands and feet in every rep (???)
I’m guessing it’s just because touching the floor creates a clear standard for judging. Standards for competition do not necessarily mean it’s the best standard for training.
I'll be testing these and posting them on my TH-cam channel in preparation for age-group quarter-finals
Awesome. Can’t wait to do these
yeah killer workouts.. Great Jonne Koski from FINLAND!!
Test #3 doesn't make any sense...
Fixed weight at 275lbs for men ? WTF ? Is this regionals or something ? Do they actually believe the top 10%er are all juicing ?
The burpees box jump over make no difference for most... But 10x 275lbs C&J ? WTF...
Agreed. 225 would be much more achievable for high-level athletes, while still allowing elite athletes to have a good workout and separate themselves with their speed.
Agreed 100%!!
It's the strength separator of the QF. They are telling that even if you are very fit, you can't progress to semi if you are not STRONG
@@thom8363 Rubbish, even if they made it progressive like 5/4/3/2/1 from 225 and adding 20-25lbs every round this would have been more than enough.
5 25lbs would make you end up at 345 which wouldn't be easy even for Games level athletes ).
Anyway no one from the top athletes from semis won't be able to chain 275 c&j quite fast, so it isn't a real separator for them.
Here we go from literally top 10% to top 1% or less.
What is the message asking regular 90 percenters to chain 275 ? " Just juice ! " ?
Also people are paying 50 bucks, the least for them is to get 5 decent workouts.
It would be like putting a very technical and/or kinda strength needing movement ifrst in the Open like RMU or 185lbs snatches because " top 10% are supposed to be able to do it " ( plenty of people qualified without doing a single 185 snatch BTW ) while there are only 3 workouts.
Would be bad programming imo.
Dude's got stones jumping on a foam box at 30"!
Dude I can’t wait to see Hiller rip a part a thousand videos no repping with the V up standard lol. I don’t mind most workouts Adrian programs. Most are pretty good, but he’s becoming much to gimmicky with some shit. I mean some things are just absurd and ridiculous. You’re not finding the fittest on earth through some of these movements. You’re just not. Now having said that most movements are good. It’s just some things are really meh. At least I think so but that’s just me.
What makes a movement “gimmicky” versus a good test of fitness? V-ups have been around for a WHILE and are just as functional as sit-ups.
@@spencergsmith a crossover has nothing to do with fitness, it’s just a skill.. dus get your heart rate up way more than doing slow crossovers
@@bodacious117 "a crossover has nothing to do with fitness, it's just a skill." Are you unaware that a large part of fitness is skill? 4 of the 10 general skills are neurological in nature -- coordination, agility, balance, accuracy -- and have very little to do with "getting your heart rate up." Here are some other skills which I imagine you have no problem labeling as "fitness" tests: handstand walks, rope climbs, pegboard ascents, overhead squats (after all, they don't test your strength or power output NEARLY as much as back squats), and then of course there are movements of which skill is a vital component, such as snatches, muscle-ups, and DOUBLE UNDERS (in case you've forgotten, for many people, the double under is not a limitation of cardiorespiratory endurance or stamina, but rather SKILL). Since the inception of CrossFit, Glassman contended that movements which require skill are an integral part of fitness, contrary to what most of the industry thought before 2000. Skill demands neurological capacity which comprises over half of the 10 general adaptations.
Also, your statement about DUs and your heart rate isn't necessarily accurate. I'm MUCH better at DUs than I am crossovers, so I can recover quite well on a set of 50 or even 100 dubs, but even doing 10 crossovers wears me out. The entire point of high-skill movements is that the better you are at the skill, the less metabolically taxing it is on your system, but when your technique is poor, it requires much more energy to accomplish work. I suggest you go back and read the L1 training guide or some of the early Journal articles, there is much to be learned there.
HSPU's with chest AND heels to the wall?! Riddle me that batman!
The problem is that some of these movements are great training movements, but a nightmare to judge/standardize.
These should be avoided because it then make the wod a test of who can cheat legally the best instead of whose the fittest.
Здравствуйте! Все тесты необходимо выполнять?
What happened to the kettlebells?
So can you kip the hspu or not?
If you can develop a technique that successfully and consistently lets you kip this then make sure you patent it and sell it for lots and lots of RX bars 😂
@@ficklepickle6290 I’ve seen a video of someone Kipping them and I haven’t seen anything from the standards that say you have to do them strict or no Kipping
Hello! You can find all of the movement standards here: cf.games/3mUq2ZC
Damn, killer work out
So with the crossover... Standards is unclear. Does the rep start with a regular single under or can you start crossed over? Do you count your goal of 40 jumps or is the jump only counted when you crossover?
I imagine it’s 40 crossovers, at least that’s how we count them in my box. This way, if someone misses or has to do extra jumps between the cross, it doesn’t get confusing.
@@spencergsmith Boz.just.posted a video. It's at every cross and then uncross... So basically 41 jumps if you go unbroken and start with an uncrossed single under.
Sux that he posted it at like 8-9pm so anyone who did it earlier in the day, may have ended up double double the reps...
@@CapableConnie that's a bit disappointing. I'm a big fan of Boz, but he should've thought that out ahead of time.
185/275 clean and jerk... 🤕
Yah, this seems a little too heavy considering it’s the next step after the open. There will be many parole not signing up 🤷🏽♂️
What's the deal with the damn GHDs, haven't we had enough rhabdo since the 2021 QFs?
v-ups are not an okay movement to have in a judged competition CrossFit this is not cool
why not?
@@lfopilot92 it’s a very hard movement to keep a consistent standard for because Peoples body’s are built so differently as far as proportions go and to have it in an Amrap as well
They should have just used the GHD again like the row was a second set at 500
But this is just an opinion sir
@@rxopie64 I see what you mean about proportions, but to use GHD again feels lazy as every competitor is already well versed in it. V-Up removes the feet anchor and adds legs into the equation making it more challenging in certain aspects. Standardizing the movement will be tough but I think it's possible.
@@lfopilot92 well then the second row would be redundant from that same perspective
The standards in a amrap competition wod should be easily judged seems like to much gray area I’d have liked to see toes to rings or straight legged sit-ups even
Yeah the GHD is a skill we all know they’re great at but it’s an amrap and the wheels can fall off without an athlete possibly knowing it in V-up but the GHD is tried and true
Thanks for the reply
Speaking of pregnant and quarterfinals @jeffsdavis. . . Anyone else excited to see Tia Toomey attack these workouts!? 🤯🤩🙃
I think it's stupid that competitors can just let the bar fall to the floor. I think I better test of strength and endurance would be to put it back on the floor properly.
Gym bias not garage bias?
V ups and Crossovers 😅😅
Extremely stupid
The demo guy didn't even do 275 clean and jerks, how do you expect us mortals to, definitely too heavy for quarters, that semifinals weight.
The crossovers are tough, the demo guy has pretty poor form and might need a slightly longer rope. V-ups are crazy.
That dude needs to learn to deadlift.
Looks better than most of the shitty reps the elite athletes give us. Talking about full hip extension.
@@nullptrZer0 yeah, he deadlifts like he's doing a clean.
Heels down, bar over the frontal plane, shoulders slightly in front of bar in set up, torso angle relatively constant in the initial pull, lumbar curve maintained, active shoulders throughout…
I see no gross movement faults.
@@Mikero421 just because everybody nowadays is doing basically RDLs without extending their hip to the fullest just to be blistering fast and not match the standards, does not mean that the conventional DL which is 50% pushing with the legs and 50% pulling with the posterior chain is not a correct DL. Imho most of elite athletes are not a good example when it comes to this movement. It's all about the speed not about doing it correctly. And that's CF's fault in the first place.
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Wow. After 3 barbell workouts in the open we now have 3 barbell workouts in the QF. This is tailored towards the bulky weightlifting specialist with short limbs and has nothing to do with athleticism/fitness anymore. Can somebody please start an alternative to "Nobull CF Games" soon? Not interested in this "new Crossfit" and definitely not paying $50 for such BS programming.
crossovers again.. let this gimmicky move just go away
They aren’t gimmicky
@@spencergsmith yes they are
@@bodacious117 as I already explained to you in another comment, they are no more of a "gimmick" than double unders, snatches, handstand walks, or pegboard ascents (I seem to recall people complaining about those when they first showed up in the Games in 2017, too).
A broad, general, and inclusive fitness requires mastery of SKILLS. You should familiarize yourself with the second model of fitness, the Hopper. As Glassman put it, you can put ANY physical task into the Hopper, and the fittest person should be capable enough to handle whatever comes out, as opposed to complaining about how certain exercises or tasks are "gimmicky."
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