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@@peterjanbo657most prob this adds to it but the fact that outside of a gimmick button for camera there is no AI features which is what the whole keynote was about. Everything else on the phone is exactly the same as the previous model. I'd be annoyed too if I paid for a phone and none of the new features work then to throttle the screen refresh rate when you pay for 120.
I was curious if my 16 Pro does this, so I just filmed my screen with my video camera at 120 fps, starting scrolling on Twitter, then slowed down the footage on my computer to 30 fps, and it is indeed 80Hz during movement. That's bizarre. Really hope this is a bug and that Apple fixes it soon.
Variable yes, but generally variable is so you can throttle down still images to say 1hz, and then go back to 120hz or whatever. not so you can turn it down to almost 60hz as soon as motion kicks in
@@TechOdyssey Apple didn't deliver "ProMotion" to bring 120hz to the phone.. instead they deliver a certain target smoothness (defined by Apple) to the user. It's a subtle difference between a spec and a feature.
Believe it or not. ProMotion has always worked this way. There were articles explaining it on Google when ProMotion first came out. iPhones do not stay on 120hz but fluctuates between these ranges 60, 80 or 90, then 120hz.
I noticed that my refresh rate in not really smooth on my iPhone 16 Pro. Even with Apple’s own apps. I always bought the Pro version for its 120 hertz rate. I always wanted good smooth graphics every time I used the iPhone. But, now I feel like it’s broken! I hope they fix this!!!!! Thanks for your great videos :)
Refunded my 16 pro max yesterday cos it was a nightmare to type on with the touch issue. Having to delete and correct every single word while typing drove me insane.
You can just… turn that off… in the settings. You mean to tell me you refunded a phone because you didn’t turn off autocorrect/autofill? How dumb are you?
Funny how the big tech reviewers never mentioned this. I'm really sensitive to low refresh rates and if I find it bad once my 16 Pro Max arrives I'm returning it and keeping the 15 Pro Max. Thanks, subscribed!
@@hydzior Idk why so many people who are obviously not very sensitive to things like this, still claims they are. Yes. This has been a problem since the 13 Pro. And especially after the iOS 16 update, the framerate issue got much worse.
I have a 16 pro max that I just got, and I wondered why it felt off. I have experienced the touch issues, but I also noticed it didn’t look as smooth. Originally thought it was due to the bigger screen size, while not a massive changed I thought maybe it might be throwing my eyes off for a while. I have a 14pro max that I use for work and I just decided to put them side by side and do some scrolling. Even if you just put them on the Home Screen and swipe back and forth between app pages it’s a massive difference. 14 pro max is way smoother, as someone who has been using 120hz phones for the last 4-5 years, both iPhone and android, this is a massive disappoint.
This is the video I have been waiting for! I'm so glad a huge TH-camr like yourself is putting this information out there because it's been going on for 4 years and it's been personally driving me insane. Great video man. Real talk.
@@hydzior maybe but animations and scrolling are different. It feels different scrolling and I think when some testing is done apple will get caught with their pants down just like with the throttling stuff they were doing.
@@YosefElgart Same 80Hz on 13PM, 14PM, 15PM. You can turn on full 120Hz in any app if you start screen recording. The only app that uses 120Hz is Google Chrome. Everything else is 80Hz 😭
It’s not just the 16P, it’s all the ProMotion iPhones and has been around for 3 years now. It’s extremely inconsistent- the volume slider animation forces 120Hz but scrolling doesn’t “need” it. It’s stupid. Also, some apps do their own thing and use 120Hz very generously like Strava and Amazon.
I swear I noticed that my 16 pro does not scroll as smooth as my s24! And I even went to the settings to see if 120hz is disabled! This is unacceptable and BAD.
iPhone 16 pro max lags a lot. Screen is unresponsive as well. Keyboard latency. Returning it and staying with my 15 pro max. But honestly gonna trade that one for the Galaxy S24 Ultra Apple pretty much sold us unfinished product 😡
I’m not usually that concerned with refresh rates but I definitely believe you should get what you paid for and a device should work as advertised. Is better battery life a good trade off? I could see people being on both sides of this issue. That might make a good feature to be able to control in the settings though.
It’s funny man. That’s how you know many people can’t even tell the difference in everyday use. Reading comments about how they’ll hold up to their 14 and 15 pros when even those have the same issues. 😂😂😂
Yeah, I’ve noticed that it gets a bit choppy when I scroll and it slows down. It’s like it’s skipping frames. Certainly not buttery smooth, but I recall that on my iPhone 14 Pro Max, too.
Not true, lol. It has been like this for a long time. Same 80Hz on 13PM, 14PM, 15PM. The only app that uses 120Hz is Google Chrome. Everything else is 80Hz 😭 PS. You can see full 120Hz in any app if you start screen recording.
@@anatoliherman7134 this is what I figured and Rjey tech a you tuber has said same thing if you’re scrolling super fast it’s 80 hz but if your scrolling speed is a steady pace it’s 120 hz I’ve never experienced slow scrolling on my 13 Pro Max my 14 Pro Max or 15 Pro Max
This true I got the fresh rate monitor and tested it on my iPhone 13 pro and 15 pro max and found they both run at 80hz when interacting with the phone more often than it does 120hz 😩
I’m literally at the store getting a replacement cause I know I wasn’t tripping about this MF being jittery 😅I had the 16 pro and fit was nice and smooth I just prefer the big screen so I went to exchange it for the 16 pro max and man I felt that lag and jittery on my damm screen
@@jclif77 well they do tell you, it’s called promotion and it varies from 1-120, always has varied since day one. Sold as promotion and they make it clear that it automatically varies, perhaps you did not understand? It’s all good everyone should like what they like.
@@justinwalker9006 What are you talking about I don’t own the phone. He asked for people’s comments. You seem very articulate, I hope that we all can learn a lot from you.
This has been an issue since they introduced pro motion to iphones. There's a lot of reddit chatter about the topic going back to 2021. I personally think it's bs. We should definitely have the option to max it out.
I'm very frustrated to hear this. I am about to drop the extra on a Pro model to get the 120Hz and now it turns out what I'll really be paying all that extra for is a 20Hz boost? I'm furious they didn't bring 120Hz or even 90Hz to the standard iPhone this year, with a bump to 144 or 240 for the Pro... but instead they used the SAME screen for both, and crippled the standard model to 60Hz... and it turns out they're also crippling the Pro models to 80Hz most of the time... it's disrespect. Just blatant disrespect. Same with USB2 speeds on the standard model. On the 15, the different chip architecture maybe justified that. Now the architecture is the same, no excuses. They are having a laugh, man.
I’ve noticed the touch issues you mentioned. Can’t say I’ve picked up on the refresh rate and I’ve come from pixel 9 pro XL. Battery life has been massively improved from last year.
@@CaramelCraft Yes, and the technology does not work how it should. Well actually it does, but they just use and overly aggressive ProMotion setting. I just looked up the keynote of the iPhone 13 Pro where they showed how different motions correlate to which refresh rate. I'm not an engineer at Apple but how much battery will you safe, if you throttle the refresh rate from 120 to 80Hz 0.1s earlier, when there is still some significant motion where you potentially notice the lower refresh rate. I guess it's not so much.
@@ASCENTxyz Omg i cant get 120 hz when scrolling at speeds u cant see the screen properly ahh what am i gonna do just stfu say ur addicted to ur phone lol
Do you get micro stutters in twitter? I get them really bad like atleast 1-2 within a 3-5 second time frame. And these are really short freezes like 0.1 seconds each. But looks choppy. Not sure whats up. Going to 60fps smooths it out better but its ridiculous cause this is pro motion. Am considering factory resetting my phone cause it feels too laggy to be real.
I think I’ll wait awhile till Apple gets all these bugs fixed with the 16Pro. And until they roll out the Apple AI to see how that’s working. My 14Pro is just fine.
I’m getting horrendous touch screen issues. It happens so often I tap something and it doesn’t tap, even after multiple presses. (iPhone 16 pro max ios18)
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It is noticeable, I came searching for a video on this because the display felt strange for 120Hz. I’m okay with adaptive refresh rate, however the adaptivity is not very great tbh. The throttling is a little too aggressive.
this is my one of the main bonuses of having 120 Hz is for scrolling. I noticed it doesn’t look as smooth as my Samsung. I’ve had iPhone 16 Pro Max for three days now. The first day took an entire day to get it set up because contacts were not updating to iCloud properly. For the first two days I’ve had the touchscreen freezing problem. And I don’t think it’s from touching the screen by the camera button. It seems like I have to press harder on the top of the screen. And when you add a screen protector, you have to press harder to register. It should not be throttling scrolling. And they finally made it possible to move icons on the home screen, but it’s still moving all the other icons when you try to do so. Ridiculous. and the microphone doesn’t work when trying to translate in keyboards. I’ve tried several. Voice to text isn’t very accurate. And a little slow. Everything just takes longer on the Apple. And the back swipe gesture should work all the time no matter what. Not only 50% of the time. I’ve been wanting an iPhone for the better camera and videos, and this is the first time the screen is comparable or a little better than my Samsung. And still lots of problems that should’ve been fixed years ago, Apple.
besides the screen touch problem, the second biggest issue was yesterday my microphone just turned off by itself. I couldn’t use voice to text or Siri or anything. Until I restarted it, I’ve never had that on a Samsung since S1
It was always like that when promotion displays to iphones were presented. 80hz most of the time from 13pro era. Android flagships are doing the same with LTPO displays but less aggressive in scrolling cases. Its adaptive screen up to 120hz. This how they always advertised.
A lot of people buy pro phones for the refresh rate now they’re lowering it.. not a good look when their complaints about the regular ones without it ..😬
Isnt it rumored that the vanilla models in the 17 series will get 120Hz displays? i wonder what the iPhone fans will say after saying 60Hz is all you need.
They say on the specs for the iPhone Pros the following: ProMotion technology with adaptive refresh rates up to 120 Hz. The keyword being adaptive, it’s not new
@@bruxi78230 does the iPad pro m4 use the word promotion as well? I have the refresh rate monitor and it's on a locked 120hz all the time unlike my iPhone 15 pro max
Coming from the Samsung s24 ultra, scrolling at the iPhone 16 pro max is really a pain in the a**, it looks stutter in some apps, have you realized this as well? It's really bad paying for 120 hz and doesn't get it... Thanks for your Video :) kind regards Mark
I agree I want what I pay for and I feel and I’m sure other people would feel we’re not getting what we pay for and I just think that is absolutely wrong
This is such a BS gate. I have a One Plus Pad that has 144hz refresh but it only works in the Android software and a few apps that support it. Many phones including Android only refreshes to 120hz in some apps some of the time. ALL Phones do this. One Plus even states this. If Apple throttles this in the iOS screens such as the Home Screen and settings then that’s not right.
I have the pro 16 the battery is crap at 120hz, so disappointed, I went for the pro because I could see the 16 wasn’t as smooth as the 120hz screen..waste of money. My old iPhone X 6 years old battery lasts longer..
I have noticed it on my 16 pro max while open and close apps. There is a delay and the screen is non responsive at times. For a phone I paid 1200 dollars for is bs
@@TechOdysseylol that you are . Sometimes you have a hand in how my wallet opens for some of the phones that you review . But this 16 pm business just didn’t feel right to me . That and having the 15pm . I see very little reason to upgrade this year
I think you should be able to have an option on that one. I think it is a good option to reduce refresh if you are power-scrolling, often you are looking for a thumbnail you have previously visited. The truth is that the next iOS update will probably add an option if enough people are unhappy with it. I don't use my phone that way so it won't likely bother me. Feel free to hold their feet to the fire.
This is a good point i agree with tech odyssey you should have 120 hz constantly if were paying $ 1200 or more for a device it should be 120 hz constantly if were
For me it's simple. You advertised, you must give. Then give me choice/ option to cap it to 80 Hz if I prefer better battery over smoothness. DO NOT DECIDE FOR ME WITHOUT TAKING MY CONSENT.
My 14 Pro Max was giving me eye strain and headaches, probably from PWM. It was bad enough that I switched to the iPhone SE 3, which gives me no problems at all. I hope the issue gets fixed on these oled screens or at least keep the new SE an lcd screen for those who get headaches from oled. Or make a more expensive model with lcd, doesn’t matter. Just keep one option with lcd please.
Honestly, I am just shocked with the crap apple has done lately. So many people got duped into buying an iPhone 16 because of Apple Intelligence. I took my iPhone 16 pro max back. I will be going back to 3 year upgrade cycle for now on. Just a bunch of marketing BS. AI probably won’t even be that good and just a bunch of marketing Hype. Super disappointed with Apple’s business ethics. Tim Cook needs to be fired. No innovation at all. Apple is on the decline big time.
Had my 16 Pro max for 13 days and decided on the 14th day where the return period expired to exchange it for a S24 Ultra. 3 things the really bothers me: -my 13 pro has smoother refresh rate and scrolling. -my 13 has more accurate photo and video output results. -my 13 touch screen is more responsive and accurate when typing, scrolling and tapping things.
Pretty sure Promotion is advertised as having a variable refresh rate. That’s exactly what it’s doing. So you are getting what’s advertised. People need to realise that this is exactly what an intelligent variable refresh rate is supposed to do. It supposed to reduce the refresh rate when it can to save battery. Not sure what the fuss is about.
Watching this on my resurrected pixel 4 with 90hz screen from 5 years ago And Apple still selling phones with 60hz screens and throttling the pro phones 🤡🤡😂😂😂
@@pd5136 yeah idk about that I just got kind and updated to the latest IOS update and still jittery and touch pad sucks and testing still slow and unresponsive
I would agree that if you're purchasing a flagship phone, you should have at least some options you can control that android offers in developer options. I would also like to add in developer options on my Pixel 9 Pro you can toggle on refresh rate where it shows you the refresh rate.
Thats what i always thought. Promotion looks smooth, if u compare it with an 60hz iPhone. But if you compare it to a good Android phone, it feels a bit laggy and choppy. Android feels snappier and faster. And my 15Pro feels a bit laggy over the day in some Situations
It's one of those things most people would be fine with if they would just be honest or make it a toggle in settings. Why they continue to pull stuff like this I'll never understand
I havnt used Samsung since 2020 when I bought my first iPhone, since then I have owned 3. However, when I see the comparisons online between Samsung and iPhone, the galaxies always look faster. I thought it was a software thing, but possibly it’s connected to this issue.
Weirdly the benefit of Promotion to me is the 1-60hz area cuz I'm saving on battery even more, specially when I always have low power mode on and it stays in that range constantly. (Tho not sure how much it saves, could be a very small amount)
yeah...i skipped 16 just because of no promotion and will do it again with 17 if it still does not have it. To me 60hz is unusable, i get severe eye strain when using 60 hz.
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Yea this shouldn’t be a thing, or atleast make it an option. I want 120hz. It’s what I paid for.
No you paid for “Pro Motion” not a constant 120Hz.
You didn't paid.. apple literally stole from you 😅
You didn’t pay for 120hz get a life man you can’t even tell a difference
I was wondering why my buddies 13 Pro Max felt smoother
This is my first iPhone after 7 years I got the 16 pro and I’m not happy with this choice
Just because of the refreshrate? Is It some other things make you say that?
@@peterjanbo657most prob this adds to it but the fact that outside of a gimmick button for camera there is no AI features which is what the whole keynote was about. Everything else on the phone is exactly the same as the previous model. I'd be annoyed too if I paid for a phone and none of the new features work then to throttle the screen refresh rate when you pay for 120.
@@obs350I agree! I miss mine ❤
@@obs350ip13pm was also 80-90hz 90% of the time.
Stop complaining and give Apple some more money.
Apple either throttles the brightness or the refresh rate so that they can prolong the battery performance. So cunning Apple. 😂
For sure.
@@TechOdysseyhater
@@brandonsmith6962Isheep slave ✅
Every manufacturer does this. Run a refresh rate overlay on your Samsung device. Same deal.
@@POVwithRC nope. Doesn’t happen
I was curious if my 16 Pro does this, so I just filmed my screen with my video camera at 120 fps, starting scrolling on Twitter, then slowed down the footage on my computer to 30 fps, and it is indeed 80Hz during movement. That's bizarre. Really hope this is a bug and that Apple fixes it soon.
I don't think it's a bug ever since the iPhone 13 pro this was a problem and everyone just forgot about it.
Thats not a bug, its an Apple feature.
Thats nothing new. Every promotion iphone is doing that. Starting from 13 pro.
they might actually fix it now since people are making articles and videos about the refresh rate issue.
@@defi_ramsay I hope so. Because otherwise I'm probably going to get a Pixel 9 Pro instead. This just flies!
This is why Apple calls it ProMotion (their own proprietary feature) rather than just advertise 120hz.
That’s what I immediately thought - it’s variable refresh rate
Variable yes, but generally variable is so you can throttle down still images to say 1hz, and then go back to 120hz or whatever. not so you can turn it down to almost 60hz as soon as motion kicks in
@@TechOdyssey Apple didn't deliver "ProMotion" to bring 120hz to the phone.. instead they deliver a certain target smoothness (defined by Apple) to the user. It's a subtle difference between a spec and a feature.
We paid for AI, give us AI…lol
@@jimczer2936 I didn't pay for it at all. I am done paying the Apple Tax.
Believe it or not. ProMotion has always worked this way. There were articles explaining it on Google when ProMotion first came out. iPhones do not stay on 120hz but fluctuates between these ranges 60, 80 or 90, then 120hz.
Yes!
Apple won’t care unless the sales and stocks start going down significantly.
💯% facts 👍
I noticed that my refresh rate in not really smooth on my iPhone 16 Pro. Even with Apple’s own apps. I always bought the Pro version for its 120 hertz rate. I always wanted good smooth graphics every time I used the iPhone. But, now I feel like it’s broken! I hope they fix this!!!!! Thanks for your great videos :)
Refunded my 16 pro max yesterday cos it was a nightmare to type on with the touch issue. Having to delete and correct every single word while typing drove me insane.
@MrAnon-q1obruh the 15 pro max is better
You can just… turn that off… in the settings.
You mean to tell me you refunded a phone because you didn’t turn off autocorrect/autofill?
How dumb are you?
Dumbs just wait for an update ,. I’m also facing the same problem .. just wait for 18.0.1 next week .. brainless guys are here 🤮
Same here bro i just got the 16 pro max.. its horrible to type in this thing.. i wil be returning this asap
Dude I feel you I was on the 16 pro and it felt way way smoother on it now that I’m on the 16 PM man the typing and swiping feels horrible
Funny how the big tech reviewers never mentioned this. I'm really sensitive to low refresh rates and if I find it bad once my 16 Pro Max arrives I'm returning it and keeping the 15 Pro Max. Thanks, subscribed!
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15 pro max have the same refresh rates. 13pm have also. Then youre not that sensitive then.
@@hydzior Idk why so many people who are obviously not very sensitive to things like this, still claims they are.
Yes. This has been a problem since the 13 Pro. And especially after the iOS 16 update, the framerate issue got much worse.
I have a 16 pro max that I just got, and I wondered why it felt off. I have experienced the touch issues, but I also noticed it didn’t look as smooth. Originally thought it was due to the bigger screen size, while not a massive changed I thought maybe it might be throwing my eyes off for a while. I have a 14pro max that I use for work and I just decided to put them side by side and do some scrolling. Even if you just put them on the Home Screen and swipe back and forth between app pages it’s a massive difference. 14 pro max is way smoother, as someone who has been using 120hz phones for the last 4-5 years, both iPhone and android, this is a massive disappoint.
This is the video I have been waiting for! I'm so glad a huge TH-camr like yourself is putting this information out there because it's been going on for 4 years and it's been personally driving me insane. Great video man. Real talk.
Thank you. Glad I can help
Many people will be upset about this.
Probably
Not really no one cares
@@brandonsmith6962 I guess you’re self identifying as “no one”
@@TechOdyssey lol no cause I care
@@TechOdyssey what met is not enough ppl care
Apples 120hz always feels way slower than android for some reason
Way slower! 🤦🏻♀️
Different animations.
@@hydzior maybe but animations and scrolling are different. It feels different scrolling and I think when some testing is done apple will get caught with their pants down just like with the throttling stuff they were doing.
Nice video , I think Apple should give 90hz for the basic 16 especially with the price. If you pay for 120hz you should het it 😊
Yeah I agree
It was always like that fast scrolling 80-90hz slow scrolling 120hz @@TechOdyssey
@@YosefElgart Same 80Hz on 13PM, 14PM, 15PM.
You can turn on full 120Hz in any app if you start screen recording.
The only app that uses 120Hz is Google Chrome. Everything else is 80Hz 😭
Apple doesn’t even give 90hz to their pro models, only 80hz.
I’ve been saying that for years now!
It’s not just the 16P, it’s all the ProMotion iPhones and has been around for 3 years now. It’s extremely inconsistent- the volume slider animation forces 120Hz but scrolling doesn’t “need” it. It’s stupid. Also, some apps do their own thing and use 120Hz very generously like Strava and Amazon.
I swear I noticed that my 16 pro does not scroll as smooth as my s24! And I even went to the settings to see if 120hz is disabled! This is unacceptable and BAD.
Well don't use it if that's so terrible. It's that easy
iPhone 16 pro max lags a lot. Screen is unresponsive as well. Keyboard latency. Returning it and staying with my 15 pro max. But honestly gonna trade that one for the Galaxy S24 Ultra Apple pretty much sold us unfinished product 😡
I’m not usually that concerned with refresh rates but I definitely believe you should get what you paid for and a device should work as advertised. Is better battery life a good trade off? I could see people being on both sides of this issue. That might make a good feature to be able to control in the settings though.
And iphones only have 6 gigs of ram what a joke
@@josephmessere7617 very true but my Pixel 6a only has 6gb of ram and my iPhone 11 is only 4gb LOL 😂 I’m in no position to comment on the ram 😂😂
You did not pay for 120Hz you paid for “Pro Motion” please educate yourself on the features and how the technology works.
This promotion behavior has been the case since introducing it with the 13 pro. Why does everyone suddenly start to care about it?
It’s funny man. That’s how you know many people can’t even tell the difference in everyday use. Reading comments about how they’ll hold up to their 14 and 15 pros when even those have the same issues. 😂😂😂
I’m speed scrolling on a 13 idk how much smoother does it needs to be? I mean honestly.
It’s because some people try everything they can to find something to make a fuss over about Apple.
So this is where the battery gains came from? hahahaha
The battery gains for the 16 pro is from the larger battery and better thermals as well as the more efficient chip. Thermals is major for sure.
Doh!
MrWhosetheboss deserves an APOLOGY from all TH-camrs.
@@tryingmann3458 you need to apologize to humanity
@@TechOdyssey Don't be a loud mouth.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that it gets a bit choppy when I scroll and it slows down. It’s like it’s skipping frames. Certainly not buttery smooth, but I recall that on my iPhone 14 Pro Max, too.
This was an issue all the way back on the 13 Pro as well. Especially after the iOS 16 update.
They should give the option to have a throttled 120hz
Not true, lol. It has been like this for a long time. Same 80Hz on 13PM, 14PM, 15PM.
The only app that uses 120Hz is Google Chrome. Everything else is 80Hz 😭
PS. You can see full 120Hz in any app if you start screen recording.
lol stop it
@@anatoliherman7134 this is what I figured and Rjey tech a you tuber has said same thing if you’re scrolling super fast it’s 80 hz but if your scrolling speed is a steady pace it’s 120 hz I’ve never experienced slow scrolling on my 13 Pro Max my 14 Pro Max or 15 Pro Max
This true I got the fresh rate monitor and tested it on my iPhone 13 pro and 15 pro max and found they both run at 80hz when interacting with the phone more often than it does 120hz 😩
@@snappycd stop lying 🤥
@@snappycd it will only run 80 if your battery is 80 health and need more power for the task
I agree with tech odyssey we pay 💰 for 120 hz we should have it on a consistent basis not just sometimes
It looks like it is almost never close to 120 hz.
You did not pay for 120Hz you paid for “Pro Motion” please educate yourself on the features and how the technology works.
I’m literally at the store getting a replacement cause I know I wasn’t tripping about this MF being jittery 😅I had the 16 pro and fit was nice and smooth I just prefer the big screen so I went to exchange it for the 16 pro max and man I felt that lag and jittery on my damm screen
The fact that they don’t tell you is the Apple way of doing business
@@jclif77 well they do tell you, it’s called promotion and it varies from 1-120, always has varied since day one. Sold as promotion and they make it clear that it automatically varies, perhaps you did not understand? It’s all good everyone should like what they like.
@@johnmac341 we found the 🐑 😂😂😂😂. They tell you 120, I want 120....
@@johnmac341Considering my base s24 also has 1-120hz aswell but always stays at 120hz when scrolling but whatever helps you cope
@@justinwalker9006 What are you talking about I don’t own the phone. He asked for people’s comments. You seem very articulate, I hope that we all can learn a lot from you.
@@johnmac341Most people do not understand how the technology works. And they make a big fuss about it because of ignorance.
This has been an issue since they introduced pro motion to iphones. There's a lot of reddit chatter about the topic going back to 2021. I personally think it's bs. We should definitely have the option to max it out.
I'm very frustrated to hear this. I am about to drop the extra on a Pro model to get the 120Hz and now it turns out what I'll really be paying all that extra for is a 20Hz boost? I'm furious they didn't bring 120Hz or even 90Hz to the standard iPhone this year, with a bump to 144 or 240 for the Pro... but instead they used the SAME screen for both, and crippled the standard model to 60Hz... and it turns out they're also crippling the Pro models to 80Hz most of the time... it's disrespect. Just blatant disrespect. Same with USB2 speeds on the standard model. On the 15, the different chip architecture maybe justified that. Now the architecture is the same, no excuses. They are having a laugh, man.
Its particularly noticeable if you are used to using 120Hz, consistency is a key for refresh rate
I’ve noticed the touch issues you mentioned. Can’t say I’ve picked up on the refresh rate and I’ve come from pixel 9 pro XL. Battery life has been massively improved from last year.
Apple loves to treat people like children, I paid for 120hz give me 120hz!!
You did not pay for 120Hz my friend you paid for “Pro Motion” please educate yourself on how the technology works.
@@CaramelCraft Yes, and the technology does not work how it should. Well actually it does, but they just use and overly aggressive ProMotion setting. I just looked up the keynote of the iPhone 13 Pro where they showed how different motions correlate to which refresh rate. I'm not an engineer at Apple but how much battery will you safe, if you throttle the refresh rate from 120 to 80Hz 0.1s earlier, when there is still some significant motion where you potentially notice the lower refresh rate. I guess it's not so much.
@@ASCENTxyz Omg i cant get 120 hz when scrolling at speeds u cant see the screen properly ahh what am i gonna do just stfu say ur addicted to ur phone lol
Do you get micro stutters in twitter? I get them really bad like atleast 1-2 within a 3-5 second time frame. And these are really short freezes like 0.1 seconds each. But looks choppy. Not sure whats up. Going to 60fps smooths it out better but its ridiculous cause this is pro motion. Am considering factory resetting my phone cause it feels too laggy to be real.
Yes. Especially in twitter. The experience iis so terrible!
I think I’ll wait awhile till Apple gets all these bugs fixed with the 16Pro. And until they roll out the Apple AI to see how that’s working. My 14Pro is just fine.
I’m getting horrendous touch screen issues. It happens so often I tap something and it doesn’t tap, even after multiple presses. (iPhone 16 pro max ios18)
One thing to keep in mind: when you lock and hide an app on your iPhone, it moves to the hidden folder. Apple claims it’s hidden so well that even a search won’t reveal it. However, if you go to your battery settings and check the Battery Usage section, the hidden app will still appear there, making it easy to spot.
Hide que battery setting too 🤣
Compared to my Iphone 15 Pro Max, my new 16 Pro Max screen brightness is dimmer at the same setting.
It is noticeable, I came searching for a video on this because the display felt strange for 120Hz. I’m okay with adaptive refresh rate, however the adaptivity is not very great tbh. The throttling is a little too aggressive.
this is my one of the main bonuses of having 120 Hz is for scrolling. I noticed it doesn’t look as smooth as my Samsung. I’ve had iPhone 16 Pro Max for three days now. The first day took an entire day to get it set up because contacts were not updating to iCloud properly. For the first two days I’ve had the touchscreen freezing problem. And I don’t think it’s from touching the screen by the camera button. It seems like I have to press harder on the top of the screen. And when you add a screen protector, you have to press harder to register. It should not be throttling scrolling. And they finally made it possible to move icons on the home screen, but it’s still moving all the other icons when you try to do so. Ridiculous. and the microphone doesn’t work when trying to translate in keyboards. I’ve tried several. Voice to text isn’t very accurate. And a little slow. Everything just takes longer on the Apple. And the back swipe gesture should work all the time no matter what. Not only 50% of the time. I’ve been wanting an iPhone for the better camera and videos, and this is the first time the screen is comparable or a little better than my Samsung. And still lots of problems that should’ve been fixed years ago, Apple.
besides the screen touch problem, the second biggest issue was yesterday my microphone just turned off by itself. I couldn’t use voice to text or Siri or anything. Until I restarted it, I’ve never had that on a Samsung since S1
And just a few minutes ago, TH-cam app was playing two videos at the same time. Never seen that before.
It was always like that when promotion displays to iphones were presented. 80hz most of the time from 13pro era. Android flagships are doing the same with LTPO displays but less aggressive in scrolling cases. Its adaptive screen up to 120hz. This how they always advertised.
Your channel is my fav. Keep the same format, please.
Thank you. 🙏🏻
Very nicely explained, in a non biased manner.
A lot of people buy pro phones for the refresh rate now they’re lowering it.. not a good look when their complaints about the regular ones without it ..😬
No AI or 120hz, very pro of Apple.
Its been like that with all ProMotion displays (since 13 Pro)
Isnt it rumored that the vanilla models in the 17 series will get 120Hz displays? i wonder what the iPhone fans will say after saying 60Hz is all you need.
I think it should be 120 hz constantly if a lot of us send feedback Apple 🍎 will employ a software update increase 120 hz so it’s a constant feature
Also yes it goes to IG and other apps look jittery or laggy shoot even on the system settings
Really hoping the 120hz thing will be fixed with a later iOS update because I agree. I paid for 120hz, I better get 120hz.
Apple doesn't want to go FULL R.....you know Refresh Rate. 😅
Even if it's not that big of a difference, what else could they be lying about?
No they should by up front and tell people, or offer an option in settings for constant 120hz or 80hz throttling.
They say on the specs for the iPhone Pros the following: ProMotion technology with adaptive refresh rates up to 120 Hz. The keyword being adaptive, it’s not new
@@bruxi78230 adaptive means throttling down to 1 hz on still images.
@@bruxi78230the "up to" part is important here
@@bruxi78230 does the iPad pro m4 use the word promotion as well? I have the refresh rate monitor and it's on a locked 120hz all the time unlike my iPhone 15 pro max
I have had my iPhone 16 pro max for almost a week. And I am glad I’m not the only one experiencing these issues. I’m am considering taking it back
Just wait until Apple Intelligence rolls out. I predict throttling, overheating, and battery drain.
So glad I kept the iPhone 15 pro max
Noticed a few screen flickers on safari ios18 15 pro max so I put it down to ios18
Now that I think of it, Apple never said that ProMotion is 120 Hz. They just said it looks smooth 😃
Do u notice that apple always like to compare with thier previous festures and not with the general market ?
Coming from the Samsung s24 ultra, scrolling at the iPhone 16 pro max is really a pain in the a**, it looks stutter in some apps, have you realized this as well? It's really bad paying for 120 hz and doesn't get it... Thanks for your Video :) kind regards Mark
iPhone 14 Pro Max same thing here
80 in scrolling
What are your thoughts on AppleCare plus ? Is it worth investing in?
I think it’s excellent. I always pay for it
@@TechOdyssey thanks for the reply and advice, I was on the fence about it but for peace of mind I will invest in it
@@benwade7419 for sure. I always get it. It’s good. Glad I could help.
I agree I want what I pay for and I feel and I’m sure other people would feel we’re not getting what we pay for and I just think that is absolutely wrong
I feel this is app based. Some apps revert to 80hz and some stay will stay in 120hz.
This is such a BS gate. I have a One Plus Pad that has 144hz refresh but it only works in the Android software and a few apps that support it. Many phones including Android only refreshes to 120hz in some apps some of the time. ALL Phones do this. One Plus even states this.
If Apple throttles this in the iOS screens such as the Home Screen and settings then that’s not right.
Your comment makes my head hurt
Bro is certified isheep
I have the pro 16 the battery is crap at 120hz, so disappointed, I went for the pro because I could see the 16 wasn’t as smooth as the 120hz screen..waste of money. My old iPhone X 6 years old battery lasts longer..
I’m glad that I didn’t upgrade my iPhone this year there always seems to be an issue right out the gate.
I have noticed it on my 16 pro max while open and close apps. There is a delay and the screen is non responsive at times. For a phone I paid 1200 dollars for is bs
I have a 15 PM and sometimes I feel like typing lags a little 😕.
This is why you WAIT and see how the new phones operate at launch . I no longer Gpig any new phone . I let you all spend your money first 😁
I’m good at spending my money first
@@TechOdysseylol that you are . Sometimes you have a hand in how my wallet opens for some of the phones that you review . But this 16 pm business just didn’t feel right to me . That and having the 15pm . I see very little reason to upgrade this year
I think you should be able to have an option on that one. I think it is a good option to reduce refresh if you are power-scrolling, often you are looking for a thumbnail you have previously visited. The truth is that the next iOS update will probably add an option if enough people are unhappy with it. I don't use my phone that way so it won't likely bother me. Feel free to hold their feet to the fire.
This is a good point i agree with tech odyssey you should have 120 hz constantly if were paying $ 1200 or more for a device it should be 120 hz constantly if were
So does apple also do this to the regular 16's...???...
Nope
If you pay for a feature ... you MUST get the feature !
For me it's simple. You advertised, you must give. Then give me choice/ option to cap it to 80 Hz if I prefer better battery over smoothness. DO NOT DECIDE FOR ME WITHOUT TAKING MY CONSENT.
My 14 Pro Max was giving me eye strain and headaches, probably from PWM. It was bad enough that I switched to the iPhone SE 3, which gives me no problems at all.
I hope the issue gets fixed on these oled screens or at least keep the new SE an lcd screen for those who get headaches from oled.
Or make a more expensive model with lcd, doesn’t matter. Just keep one option with lcd please.
Honestly, I am just shocked with the crap apple has done lately. So many people got duped into buying an iPhone 16 because of Apple Intelligence. I took my iPhone 16 pro max back. I will be going back to 3 year upgrade cycle for now on. Just a bunch of marketing BS. AI probably won’t even be that good and just a bunch of marketing Hype. Super disappointed with Apple’s business ethics. Tim Cook needs to be fired. No innovation at all. Apple is on the decline big time.
Had my 16 Pro max for 13 days and decided on the 14th day where the return period expired to exchange it for a S24 Ultra.
3 things the really bothers me:
-my 13 pro has smoother refresh rate and scrolling.
-my 13 has more accurate photo and video output results.
-my 13 touch screen is more responsive and accurate when typing, scrolling and tapping things.
Please continue with doing videos on the iPhone 16 Pro! Super interesting
I am trying out the 16 pro max. I might send it back and just use my google pixel 9 pro xl. The always on display doesn’t work.
Pretty sure Promotion is advertised as having a variable refresh rate. That’s exactly what it’s doing. So you are getting what’s advertised. People need to realise that this is exactly what an intelligent variable refresh rate is supposed to do. It supposed to reduce the refresh rate when it can to save battery. Not sure what the fuss is about.
I found one
Some people do not understand tech. Ah no! VRR in the phone. Androids are also doing it. Less agressive (you see 120hz mark a lot more) but still.
I’ve had the screen just pause a few times, I’ve had to completely close the app and reopen it, it’s skiddish
Watching this on my resurrected pixel 4 with 90hz screen from 5 years ago
And Apple still selling phones with 60hz screens and throttling the pro phones 🤡🤡😂😂😂
My iPhone 15 pro max has a heating issue and no software has fixed it. This is clearly a hardware issue and it suck’s.
It is now fixed by an update
Really ?
@@pmarciano1717 yes i am using the pro max from the launch day . I got the update and now its smooth
@@pd5136 yeah idk about that I just got kind and updated to the latest IOS update and still jittery and touch pad sucks and testing still slow and unresponsive
Hot take. As a techy...I use Android. But I invest in AAPL.
Just returned a 16 Pro that has dim brightness problems with auto brightness off. It was unusable!
First i have heard of this. Only on Tech Odyssey! Go Adam
Yessir. 🫡
I would agree that if you're purchasing a flagship phone, you should have at least some options you can control that android offers in developer options.
I would also like to add in developer options on my Pixel 9 Pro you can toggle on refresh rate where it shows you the refresh rate.
Thats what i always thought.
Promotion looks smooth, if u compare it with an 60hz iPhone.
But if you compare it to a good Android phone, it feels a bit laggy and choppy. Android feels snappier and faster.
And my 15Pro feels a bit laggy over the day in some Situations
Does the iPhone 16 Pro actually keep 120 HZ? I have been using the Samsung24 (120 HZ) and going back to iPhone has been not as good.
As long as it works and im happy, then fuck it, look at what we are dealing with in the White House and those morons.
It's one of those things most people would be fine with if they would just be honest or make it a toggle in settings. Why they continue to pull stuff like this I'll never understand
I havnt used Samsung since 2020 when I bought my first iPhone, since then I have owned 3. However, when I see the comparisons online between Samsung and iPhone, the galaxies always look faster. I thought it was a software thing, but possibly it’s connected to this issue.
Thanks! Still debating whether to purchase. This update is a negative (for now) with making the purchase. However, really enjoying my Pixel Pro 9 XL
Weirdly the benefit of Promotion to me is the 1-60hz area cuz I'm saving on battery even more, specially when I always have low power mode on and it stays in that range constantly. (Tho not sure how much it saves, could be a very small amount)
This is how the promotion works on every phone since the 13. It scales up or down to optimize.
There should be a setting to turn in ON or OFF.
Paying $1200 for 80hz display 😑
15 Pro Max also limiting the refresh rate...The funny thing is when You turn on screen recording then you will have constant 120hz.
But of course.
It’s a way to conserve battery , the refresh rate when it’s more appropriate
Doesn't seem to fit the price point if you ask me. 😅
yeah...i skipped 16 just because of no promotion and will do it again with 17 if it still does not have it. To me 60hz is unusable, i get severe eye strain when using 60 hz.
My 16 pro Max has been very smooth and also great battery life pretty great upgrade from my 15 pro max!!