Sorry for the late upload. I hope you like it. I like Rohan, but Old English is difficult :P I thought about uploading it in 2 parts? Would you prefer it or do you want it as one?
I can't believe how many people on here have the impoliteness to criticize something like an accent. It's just plain rude. I for one liked your accent and I appreciate the correct pronunciation of the names and places of Tolkein's world.
I absolutely agree. I don’t think anyone pronounces the names and words of ME better, except possibly the actors who were tutored expensively. And I enjoy Philospher’s native accent, which makes me always feel that I am hearing the lore directly from one of the inhabitants of ME. As if we were sitting under a tree. Or in the Common Room at the Prancing Pony. Or on a long horseback ride across Eriador. Or..... :)
The entire myth has languages that are not English. Some close to old English, but most are simply made up languages. So you don't have to even speak English at all if you have the works translated into your language. Some simply like to be negative.
The old EN pronouciation is mostly correct and, tbh, I do not mind if this annoys whoever since it is how Tolkien created all the names and wanted them to be pronounced. Great job.
I've seen all the movies but recently rewatched the LOTR trilogy. I need to buy the extended editions, but your videos are simply the next best thing I've seen. The best part of the movies were the behind the scenes stuff, and especially the commitment to lore from the movies and books. Im not a reader AT ALL. I am buying these books tomorrow though. Great videos
Thank you ^^ Really happy to hear that you got interested in the books too. I also really like the films (in the Extended Edition) too. They also brought me to read the books, when they came out. Both reading the books and watching the LotR films are experiences I do not want to miss ^^ I wish you a ton of fun with the books. Ofc the pace of the books is very different compared to the films, but you also get far more details and lore.
Love it! I really wish your channel was larger as you deserve much more. These Tolkien Legendarium videos are my personal favourite, but really enjoy the other stuff you do. I wish you farewell wherever you fare in all of your endeavors!
I very much appreciate the effort put forth for this video. As a big fan of the horse lords, this video was just fantastic. Frankly I don't understand why some folks take issue with your accent or pronunciation - I personally find it authentic and very well done =)
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it :) I assume it's mainly due to not being used to rolled Rs. I even partially made a video about this topic in the meantime ^^ Research for pronunciation in this video was also quite intense. I still made a few mistakes here and there, but I really like this video a lot (I also like Rohan a lot).
I'm getting a bit dizzy from all the rolled Rs. I love it. This is how Tolkien intended it to b pronounced. I admire u so much coz u read effortlessly n id love to b half as good as u r
I remember he had to run away, to a mountain pass with a group of guys, and it was very treacherous, and they fought Giant trolls in another part. His adventures were very much so filled with dangers!
Honestly, you do a better job with the phonetics of Tolkien's languages than many, too many other commentators who have (ostensibly) less excuse. Regarding Isengard, the appendix on languages contains examples of other linguistic drift ("Rohan" from more ancient "Rochann", e.g.) in support of your reasonable theory. Truly, your enunciation overall is great. However "famine" takes stress to the *first* syllable and the 'i' should be the shortened, flat sound of 'men' not 'mean'. English vowels are lazy vowels, especially our A, E, and I can all seem to live in the same space as UH as in "DUH!" Cuhm tuh Uhmuhruhcuh fuhr uh tuh hear it in akshuhn. Cheers!
Love it. Your german accent only adds to the authentic feel. As if you are a professor in a fictional modern day Rohan, giving a lecture on history to foreign students attending Edoras University😉in the common tongue(andunaic) with a Rohirric accent. Your rhotic 'r' are correct, if not a bit over emphasized. I'm dutch(very close to old english) i speak with rhotic r's at the beginning and sometimes in the end. Rhotic r's in the middle of words are disappearing and now, sound more like the non-rhotic R, you hear in Irish accented english and American english. A pity, if you ask me. Having said that; My city is Rotterdam-not Rrrrotterrrrdam. It's a short trill that becomes 'harsher' when you move northwards. in the north west,speakers have the strongest rhotic r's .Old english partly, derived from Frisian and 'Frysk' is still spoken there. The only difference is that nobody rolls the 'r' that long. It sounds as if there are three 'R's in words/names that start and end in with 'r'. Rrrohan. Gondorrr.As the video progresses, it does become a little less pronounced and quite close to normal speech. Rolling rrrr's extensively would make me tired and develop a lot of dribble😀 I love how you pronounce Hammerhand and Hornburg.It sounds so north western dutch. I'm know I'm being nitpicky as it doesn't take away from the overal quality of your vid. Be that as it may, I like the video very much and will now watch some more, eventhough I know the lore. It's just so nice to hear it in such coherent and clear a manner. Well done!
Thank you :) Yes I roll the "r" a bit to strong at times (probably got better in my later videos), probably it has to do with my native language. It's also difficult switching between English and this all the time, esp. the stress is difficult. However I would assume too, that some R sounds are less emphasized depending on where they are in a word. German also has similarities, it really helps a lot. Yes languages are constantly developing further. Some "R" sounds in German also get slowly lost (at the end after an "e" and the "i" and "r" combination). I like the Netherlands, they have some really cool people ^^
I would love to see a detailed exposé on all the palanteri, how they work, the different sizes, etc. Like why couldn’t the large stone at Osgiliath, which was on a bridge spanning the Anduin and presumably fell in the river, couldn’t be recovered given the advanced knowledge and engineering skills of the Numenorians. Also, do one on GALADRIEL (including her berserker mode).
Interesting suggestions. Palantiri could be difficult, because - if I recall correctly - some parts are not described in detail by Tolkien. Galadriel would be interesting too. But no promise :D
I presume its because of the movies but I always thought isengard was closer to mordor. Like to me it always just came off as near the border. When you showed the map and pinned isengard it blew my mind.
Yes I can see why you got this impression. In the films everything seems to be so close together. But on the map there are some distances between the main locations in the book. Though Minas Tirith and Osgiliath are pretty close to Mordor.
Not that it matters, but it is a matter of interest that it is suspected that Shadowfax (and that line of King Horses of the Meara) were descended from Nahar, the horse of Orome... I can't remember if he was regarded as a Vala or a Meia.... I'm also curious to find more info on the line of woves... the one wolf that belonged to the son of Feanor was disloyal when helping Luthien... but it was given for him to speak 3 times. Then there is Beor and the changelings.... how did THAT happen. So many questions without answers. ... including the eagles who could talk, and the ravens... and thrushes. For some men and women it was given for them to understand them. And the elves could speak with trees.... curious.
That's a very good question. If we look at the Princes of Dol Amroth we see a slowly reduction of their lifespan over time and later nobody manages to live longer than 120 years. Some die around age 100-110. So in this line nobody was as extreme as Aragorn with his 210 years. I think there were only few bloodlines left that could live that long. Êomer died age 93, so close to 100 too and we must also see that only Morwen Steelsheen was of Númenórean heritage, which probably reduced this blessing of long life a bit further over the next generation. All her known children (Théoden and Théodwyn) did not die due to old age, so we don't know how long they would have lived. We actually only know when Théodwyn's son Éomer died (of old age). Èowyn's exact date of death is unknown. Even Faramir died age 120.
Personally, the exact word pronunciation within Tolkien has never taken high priority with me. I appreciate that many will truly enjoy that aspect, but many of us were reading and re-reading these works (me over 15 times) in our own mental sounding out of the words and names. I appreciate the level of detail, and the ability you have to dig out relatively small, but important facts about this wonderful fictional world. Tolkien was able to bring together many mental arts to synthesize a vast creative landscape (language, writing systems, history, geography, religion, myth, culture, social structure), all while producing a satisfying story, . The Wain Riders, for example, seem to represent how a new technology can shift the fates of nations. This is much like, over time, chariots, the long bow, or development of air warfare has shifted things drastically in the real world. .
Great video bro. :) I'll share it on my fb page(s) ;) If you want that each video will be shared in the future. Let me know in a message or something. :)
this one really stuck to the facts that most people that only ever watched the movies would miss and explains the reason for the people of Rohan riding to gondors aid most people that have never read the books would not know the story of how the oath came to be i still love the scene in the movie (beacon on hill ignites aragorn looks for a min then comes running to the golden hall and says "gondor calls for aid" ) ( Theoden looks at him for wat seems ages then says "and Rohan will answer then turns to his marshals and says muster the Rohirrim" ) best scene ever for a group holding their side of an oath shows that even after everything they have just been through they will still honor the oath that gave them their home wish more groups in real life were like that
I'm curious if you have a lore video on what we know of the Eastern Races, it fascinates me as most of LoTR and the Hobbit focuses on the Western Men/Elves/Dwarves/etc.
Sadly no. Tolkien focused heavily on west Middle-earth, so we don't know that much about the men of the east. I would say, that sadly this video covers their activity quite well (from a "what we know" perspective). Ofc there is a bit more, but not much. I put it on the list, but no promise, if there is enough additional information for a video. But I agree it's a quite interesting topic.
Froto Baggins and his friend were a second line of resistance against the forces of evil, THAT is why those wreaths were looking for him, because he was a threat and his race, the hobbits were a threat, he had one of the rings, in one of the movies, I remember!
The story is about how all those very powerful warriors and sorcerers can not defeat Sauron. But a little powerless hobbit can, what highest kings and most powerful entities on middle earth could not do.
+ThePhilosophersGames To be truthful i haven't read Tolkien's works, since you have a better understanding of the lore, do you think that there's story to justify more LOTR movies? Do you think Tolkien will give permission to Peter Jackson to make movies about The Silmarillion ?
2nd Question: That an interesting question, that is partially difficult to answer. I'm not fully up to date, but Christopher Tolkien in the pasted hated the movies with passion. In addition there were and still are lawsuits going on (for example about the question, if the license to produce toys and movies for the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings also allows to make video games, etc.). So from my perspective, it is very unlikely, that the Tolkien Estate will give permission to make movies about the contents of the Silmarillion. However at some point (if things like this strange copyright extension/Mickey Mouse protection act don't get extended until the end of time) the Silmarillion will become public domain. First Question: Yes. I would say in the Lord of the Rings Universe are tons of great stories. Many are often a bit vague and would need someone to give it more details. The most prominent example would be the story of Beren and Lúthien. There will also be a new book by Christopher Tolkien about those 2. The story is really epic. But also the adventures of Beren's Father, or Elrond and his Brother and their parents. The War of Wrath, The War of the last alliance and the Downfall of Númenor are really great too. I could imagine you could even make a story about the founding of Rohan, with Eorl. Or the story of Helm Hammerhand. Even how Sauron becomes what we know him could be an amazing story. There are even aspects in Lord of the Rings, that could be explored more. Like the role of Dale and the Dwarves in the War of the Ring. Esp. from the dwarves perspective could be very interesting.
+ThePhilosophersGames I just recently found out about your channel and i didn't have any idea of how deep LORT really goes... I've been so attached to TLOTR since a little kid and always loved the moments of exploring distant history. I feel a very deep enphasis on the race of Men, and i'd love to see more of the First Age, more stories with Eru Ilúvatar, Valar and Maiar. I now see the tremendous amount of work C.Tolkien put into this tale and i do understand him being upset at the producers. I don't see a problem in making 20 more movies with good enphasis on the real story. Hopefully in a near future we'll see the full story. Still can't figure out how you don't have tens of thousand of subscribers, i'll look forward for more great videos. Regards!
Thank you, much appreciated. I never expected my lore video to become that popular :D The Shadow of War/Mordor and Tolkien's lore video gave my channel a huge boost and since I love Lord of the Rings too and know a lot, I will make lore videos from time to time =) Already have an idea for the next bigger lore video. I'm also always amazed by how deep the lore goes. If you ask who is that; why is that? There is in most cases an answer. I know a few things, but when doing research for videos, I always learn so much more. So much thought and work, that J.R.R. Tolkien and later C. Tolkien put into it. Haha well, I'm slowly getting their =) Still much to learn
English is also a germanic language and esp with Old English or "Anglo-Saxon" you have something that sounds very germanic. You hve many germanic words in english, even today: burg, sheen, men, hammer, hand, etc. The language of Rohan has 2 influences: Gothic and later it's Old English. 1000+ years ago English sounded like this (Old English): th-cam.com/video/CH-_GwoO4xI/w-d-xo.html
@@ThePhilosophersGames Serious? Lol I thought for sure I would have been like the tenth guy to say it. Well if I'm the least mature guy in the comments section, that's pretty refreshing. Hah.
The "s" should be like in "sad" (the "i" like in "machine", however Tolkien pronounced the i in readings like in "ice", which I guess makes both correct, but the word is Old English and there "i" is "ee" or ~ as in "machine").
Tolkien described the sound of the "r" in his languages as rolled. In the case of Rohirric names it's also Old English/Anglo Saxon (so to say English form 1000+ years ago), which sounds like this: th-cam.com/video/CH-_GwoO4xI/w-d-xo.html So back in the day the "r" sound in English was rolled too (quite common in Germanic languages). Modern English developed itself away from this pronunciation over the centuries and doesn't sound that Germanic anymore today and most people are not used to the rolled "r" (voiced alveolar trill) anymore - besides accents and dialects, etc. Since I did a lot of research on Tolkien's pronunciation rules, I decided to try and go with those, even though I often mess up. I'm also not as elegant as Tolkien himself: th-cam.com/video/6de_SbVUVfA/w-d-xo.html
Dude you go way too far with the pronunciations. It's unbelievably annoying listening to you even for just 5 minutes overuse the rolling R's. We get it. You know the lore. It's just obnoxious after 2-3 times.
Wow, I never knew that there was so much history involved with The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy, I don't remember any of this in the movies.. this happened in the books you said though, right? So, uh, all of these kingdoms, and kings would be like Jarls in skyrim if I am understanding you correctly, with more complicated bloodlines... and Sauron and Celebrimbor would be the two high kings that ruled all of this land of Arba, another name for Middle Earth, right? And they were all fighting for the same land, and some armies were stronger than others, which lead to certain kingdoms falling into enemy control at times. Then, these rings came along, which made warfare easier and less catastrophic, and then, Sauron got his hands on one and then, Celebrimbor got the other, then, they created more rings, for certain kings, knights, and other like elves to have, then... these kings had their armies fight over control of these rings, leading to the evil kings and ultimately Sauron being sent to HELL and then, he was resurrected by the dark armies to try again? And he got stronger? And NOW ultimately, uh, can anyone beat him now?
Some of the stories are more fleshed out in the Silmarillion. But mostly they are short mentions (or snippets) in the Appendices of Lord of the Rings. Some information are from "Unfinished Tales", a book about stuff, that J.R.R Tolkien never finished edited together and commented by his Son Christopher Tolkien. And some parts are from the letters of Tolkien. So you often don't have epic long stories, more like: This dude, the son of this other guy, lived at this point and did this. He met this character here. The interesting thing is: some of those events explain certain things in Hobbit or Lord of the Rings. So everything basically gives LotR more depth. if you see a character in lord of the rings or a place, there is a short information about this, that might be connected to other events, that also have a backstory. Well the rings were deliberately made by Sauron, to corrupt the elves on Middle-earth. When Sauron's body dies, he loses a lot of power and it takes him time regain it partially. Also creating armies and fortresses costs power or let's say means spreading his power. Sauron is not at his peak in Lord of the Rings. He was probably at his peak when he conquered Eregion. and almost all of Middle-earth until the men from Númenor came to help the elves. Middle-earth is a continent of the "planet" Arda. And LotR and Hobbit play on this continent. Another continent is Aman (land of the Valar/Gods). Arda was not always a sphere. It was reshaped several times. It's very complicated.
No I get, why you separated the syllables, but why should it be pronounced like this? When I apply the pronunciation rules of Old English, it has a very Germanic sound. You imply that "éo" is pronounced ~ey. I would agree on that to some degree, if it was "eo" (Eotheod). So a short "e" like in Eorl, which I try to pronounce almost like "yarl"(like the title Jarl, which is related) with a slight ey sound at the beginning. But I interpret the diacritic in "èo" as a hint for a long e, which would make it IPA /eːo/, which led to my decision for this pronunciation. For this conclusion I also looked at the pronunciation of similar Old English words like "þrēo" (three; IPA /ˈθreːo/) and "eorþe" (earth; IPA /ˈeo̯rðe/).
Don't know exactly what you mean, but this is the Third Age. There was not much going on in Lothlórien. At times Galadriel helped out, but Lothlórien was pretty isolated and busy defending their borders from the activities of their unfriendly neighbors in Dol Guldur (depending on the time). The elves also started to leave Middle-earth at some point.
I don't see that happening in the near future, when it comes to the books. Ofc they could buy the company that holds the film rights (for LotR and the Hobbit), but they still would not have access to the rest, not could declare something canon. The Tolkien Estate is proud and Christopher Tolkien still alive, they would not just sell their father's and granfather's legacy. They will probably just allow a company to do things within certain limitations. The recent Amazon deal comes to my mind.
Thank you :) Yes, I know some people find it annoying, but in Tolkien's languages most "r" sounds are rolled. Sadly I'm not as elegant as Tolkien himself or some other speakers like Hugo Weaving (Elrond in the movies). But I try to pronounce the names somewhat correctly, but ofc I often mess up :D This is Tolkien reading elvish (Quenya): th-cam.com/video/6de_SbVUVfA/w-d-xo.html This is Elrond in the movies: th-cam.com/video/LbAPwwAXaWM/w-d-xo.html The movie are quite inconsistent, when it comes to pronunciation of names. However, maybe that helps at least understanding, why I do this :D
irritating accent......probably just me....made it to 4:19....got tired of the rolling "r's" and throat phlemy "ch"s"....I'm sure it was accurate to the lore but these speaking habits are as irritating to me as someone who says " um ah" every sentence.
Yes it can be difficult to listen. English evolved very far away from its Germanic influences. If you listen to Old English (Anglo-Saxon), it's hard to believe, that English sounded like that 1000 years ago: th-cam.com/video/CH-_GwoO4xI/w-d-xo.html Rohirric is pretty much Old English and some sounds are still present in some languages today like Finnish, German Icelandic, etc. (that's also where Tolkien took a lot of inspiration for his languages). But thanks for trying to watch and commenting :)
you have a pretty strong lisp in some parts. 8 minutes onward for example, between all these elvish names. i mean i like your content, it's just sometimes hard to listen to imo. sorry if i'm mean, but this is the internet, you know.
Yes I don't know why, but when I speak english I lisp slightly (I don't have it, when I speak German though). It got better in more recent videos. Besides this my videos are still super successful for my channel size, so I don't see a problem. But ofc I try to improve on that.
Yes I know, some people can't listen long to it. Be it my English or me trying to pronounce the names as Tolkien described them in his books. But thank you or trying :)
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Sorry for the late upload. I hope you like it. I like Rohan, but Old English is difficult :P I thought about uploading it in 2 parts? Would you prefer it or do you want it as one?
ThePhilosophersGames I prefer one part
i think 2 parts are good, because sometimes you dont have the time or something like that. and in 2 parts it offers the viewer more flexibility
I can't believe how many people on here have the impoliteness to criticize something like an accent. It's just plain rude. I for one liked your accent and I appreciate the correct pronunciation of the names and places of Tolkein's world.
Thank you :) Well, it could be worse ^^
@@ThePhilosophersGames I agree with Anthony, your accent is one of reasons i subbed!
Like some otherwordly elder...immediate 100% immersion for me.
I absolutely agree. I don’t think anyone pronounces the names and words of ME better, except possibly the actors who were tutored expensively. And I enjoy Philospher’s native accent, which makes me always feel that I am hearing the lore directly from one of the inhabitants of ME. As if we were sitting under a tree. Or in the Common Room at the Prancing Pony. Or on a long horseback ride across Eriador. Or..... :)
The entire myth has languages that are not English. Some close to old English, but most are simply made up languages. So you don't have to even speak English at all if you have the works translated into your language. Some simply like to be negative.
Love his accent and grammar....mad props!
Thank you"mellon" for this amazing video. I had a great time
No problem, glad you liked it :)
The old EN pronouciation is mostly correct and, tbh, I do not mind if this annoys whoever since it is how Tolkien created all the names and wanted them to be pronounced. Great job.
Thank you :) Yes, agreed. I think it can be an interesting to hear Tolkien's vision of the pronunciation of names his languages.
Noticed alot of names are old norse aswell.
I've seen all the movies but recently rewatched the LOTR trilogy. I need to buy the extended editions, but your videos are simply the next best thing I've seen. The best part of the movies were the behind the scenes stuff, and especially the commitment to lore from the movies and books. Im not a reader AT ALL. I am buying these books tomorrow though. Great videos
Thank you ^^ Really happy to hear that you got interested in the books too. I also really like the films (in the Extended Edition) too. They also brought me to read the books, when they came out. Both reading the books and watching the LotR films are experiences I do not want to miss ^^ I wish you a ton of fun with the books. Ofc the pace of the books is very different compared to the films, but you also get far more details and lore.
So good to hear this information. It deepens my love and wonder for the Tolkien universe. Thank you so very much.
No problem, happy you liked it :)
Legit man I respect you so much. The effort in these videos is awesome.
Thank you, happy you like my content :)
Love it! I really wish your channel was larger as you deserve much more. These Tolkien Legendarium videos are my personal favourite, but really enjoy the other stuff you do. I wish you farewell wherever you fare in all of your endeavors!
Thank you, I'm happy, that you enjoy my content. Have a nice day sir =)
I very much appreciate the effort put forth for this video. As a big fan of the horse lords, this video was just fantastic. Frankly I don't understand why some folks take issue with your accent or pronunciation - I personally find it authentic and very well done =)
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it :) I assume it's mainly due to not being used to rolled Rs. I even partially made a video about this topic in the meantime ^^ Research for pronunciation in this video was also quite intense. I still made a few mistakes here and there, but I really like this video a lot (I also like Rohan a lot).
I'm getting a bit dizzy from all the rolled Rs. I love it. This is how Tolkien intended it to b pronounced. I admire u so much coz u read effortlessly n id love to b half as good as u r
OMG Your videos are amazing! I can’t stop watching them! Nice!
thank you, happy you like them :)
Fantastic . Thankyou for all of your posts
No problem, thank you too :)
2:30 lol he used Age Of Empires that is so cool haha
Yes :D when I red about the Wainriders, the Korean War Wagons came instantly into my mind, so I booted up good old AoE2 HD and recorded it ^^
I am really sick today so I just binge watched your videos melon. Danke
No problem, I hope you enjoyed it. Gute Besserung :)
I remember he had to run away, to a mountain pass with a group of guys, and it was very treacherous, and they fought Giant trolls in another part. His adventures were very much so filled with dangers!
Honestly, you do a better job with the phonetics of Tolkien's languages than many, too many other commentators who have (ostensibly) less excuse. Regarding Isengard, the appendix on languages contains examples of other linguistic drift ("Rohan" from more ancient "Rochann", e.g.) in support of your reasonable theory. Truly, your enunciation overall is great. However "famine" takes stress to the *first* syllable and the 'i' should be the shortened, flat sound of 'men' not 'mean'. English vowels are lazy vowels, especially our A, E, and I can all seem to live in the same space as UH as in "DUH!" Cuhm tuh Uhmuhruhcuh fuhr uh tuh hear it in akshuhn. Cheers!
Love it. Your german accent only adds to the authentic feel. As if you are a professor in a fictional modern day Rohan, giving a lecture on history to foreign students attending Edoras University😉in the common tongue(andunaic) with a Rohirric accent.
Your rhotic 'r' are correct, if not a bit over emphasized. I'm dutch(very close to old english) i speak with rhotic r's at the beginning and sometimes in the end. Rhotic r's in the middle of words are disappearing and now, sound more like the non-rhotic R, you hear in Irish accented english and American english. A pity, if you ask me. Having said that; My city is Rotterdam-not Rrrrotterrrrdam. It's a short trill that becomes 'harsher' when you move northwards.
in the north west,speakers have the strongest rhotic r's .Old english partly, derived from Frisian and 'Frysk' is still spoken there. The only difference is that nobody rolls the 'r' that long. It sounds as if there are three 'R's in words/names that start and end in with 'r'. Rrrohan. Gondorrr.As the video progresses, it does become a little less pronounced and quite close to normal speech. Rolling rrrr's extensively would make me tired and develop a lot of dribble😀 I love how you pronounce Hammerhand and Hornburg.It sounds so north western dutch.
I'm know I'm being nitpicky as it doesn't take away from the overal quality of your vid. Be that as it may, I like the video very much and will now watch some more, eventhough I know the lore. It's just so nice to hear it in such coherent and clear a manner. Well done!
Thank you :) Yes I roll the "r" a bit to strong at times (probably got better in my later videos), probably it has to do with my native language. It's also difficult switching between English and this all the time, esp. the stress is difficult. However I would assume too, that some R sounds are less emphasized depending on where they are in a word. German also has similarities, it really helps a lot.
Yes languages are constantly developing further. Some "R" sounds in German also get slowly lost (at the end after an "e" and the "i" and "r" combination).
I like the Netherlands, they have some really cool people ^^
Great video!
Thank you again :D
Great and informative vid. Keep up the good work. Best of luck🙌
Thank you, Ill try :)
This is some good stuff I really do enjoy learning lore like this. It'd be cool if you can do a video on the backstory of Sauron.
Thank you. Hmm, that's actually not a bad idea :D
Why did i burst out laughing when the witchking popped up as a picture?
love these lore videos.
Thank you, happy you enjoy them :)
I would love to see a detailed exposé on all the palanteri, how they work, the different sizes, etc. Like why couldn’t the large stone at Osgiliath, which was on a bridge spanning the Anduin and presumably fell in the river, couldn’t be recovered given the advanced knowledge and engineering skills of the Numenorians.
Also, do one on GALADRIEL (including her berserker mode).
Interesting suggestions. Palantiri could be difficult, because - if I recall correctly - some parts are not described in detail by Tolkien. Galadriel would be interesting too. But no promise :D
I presume its because of the movies but I always thought isengard was closer to mordor. Like to me it always just came off as near the border. When you showed the map and pinned isengard it blew my mind.
Yes I can see why you got this impression. In the films everything seems to be so close together. But on the map there are some distances between the main locations in the book. Though Minas Tirith and Osgiliath are pretty close to Mordor.
Nice work, another lesson learned
Thank you :)
take a shot every time he says Rhovanioooon xD
that would not go well in this video xD
I ENJOYED THIS
Not that it matters, but it is a matter of interest that it is suspected that Shadowfax (and that line of King Horses of the Meara) were descended from Nahar, the horse of Orome... I can't remember if he was regarded as a Vala or a Meia.... I'm also curious to find more info on the line of woves... the one wolf that belonged to the son of Feanor was disloyal when helping Luthien... but it was given for him to speak 3 times. Then there is Beor and the changelings.... how did THAT happen. So many questions without answers. ... including the eagles who could talk, and the ravens... and thrushes. For some men and women it was given for them to understand them. And the elves could speak with trees.... curious.
They made me remember the Vikings, Rohan.
Theoden, whose mind was "overthrown".
Why doesn’t Theoden have a long life span like Aragorn if his mother was of Numenorean descent?
That's a very good question. If we look at the Princes of Dol Amroth we see a slowly reduction of their lifespan over time and later nobody manages to live longer than 120 years. Some die around age 100-110. So in this line nobody was as extreme as Aragorn with his 210 years. I think there were only few bloodlines left that could live that long.
Êomer died age 93, so close to 100 too and we must also see that only Morwen Steelsheen was of Númenórean heritage, which probably reduced this blessing of long life a bit further over the next generation. All her known children (Théoden and Théodwyn) did not die due to old age, so we don't know how long they would have lived. We actually only know when Théodwyn's son Éomer died (of old age). Èowyn's exact date of death is unknown. Even Faramir died age 120.
Personally, the exact word pronunciation within Tolkien has never taken high priority with me. I appreciate that many will truly enjoy that aspect, but many of us were reading and re-reading these works (me over 15 times) in our own mental sounding out of the words and names. I appreciate the level of detail, and the ability you have to dig out relatively small, but important facts about this wonderful fictional world. Tolkien was able to bring together many mental arts to synthesize a vast creative landscape (language, writing systems, history, geography, religion, myth, culture, social structure), all while producing a satisfying story, . The Wain Riders, for example, seem to represent how a new technology can shift the fates of nations. This is much like, over time, chariots, the long bow, or development of air warfare has shifted things drastically in the real world. .
4:54 I know it makes me immature as hell but Forthwini's name makes me giggle.
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Great video bro. :) I'll share it on my fb page(s) ;) If you want that each video will be shared in the future. Let me know in a message or something. :)
Thanks, if you like my stuff and want to share it, feel free :D
I'm sure others would like these video's aswell. :) Ya deserve more sub :D haha
this one really stuck to the facts that most people that only ever watched the movies would miss and explains the reason for the people of Rohan riding to gondors aid most people that have never read the books would not know the story of how the oath came to be i still love the scene in the movie (beacon on hill ignites aragorn looks for a min then comes running to the golden hall and says "gondor calls for aid" ) ( Theoden looks at him for wat seems ages then says "and Rohan will answer then turns to his marshals and says muster the Rohirrim" ) best scene ever for a group holding their side of an oath shows that even after everything they have just been through they will still honor the oath that gave them their home wish more groups in real life were like that
I'm curious if you have a lore video on what we know of the Eastern Races, it fascinates me as most of LoTR and the Hobbit focuses on the Western Men/Elves/Dwarves/etc.
Sadly no. Tolkien focused heavily on west Middle-earth, so we don't know that much about the men of the east. I would say, that sadly this video covers their activity quite well (from a "what we know" perspective). Ofc there is a bit more, but not much. I put it on the list, but no promise, if there is enough additional information for a video. But I agree it's a quite interesting topic.
Love your accent. What’s your native language?
Thanks! My native language is German :)
Froto Baggins and his friend were a second line of resistance against the forces of evil, THAT is why those wreaths were looking for him, because he was a threat and his race, the hobbits were a threat, he had one of the rings, in one of the movies, I remember!
The story is about how all those very powerful warriors and sorcerers can not defeat Sauron. But a little powerless hobbit can, what highest kings and most powerful entities on middle earth could not do.
40 Dunlendings have taken issue with this video.
haha can't blame them ^^
11:16 Hahahaha lol
that's effort man
Thank you :) Yes, those video are a ton of work. Esp. the very long ones.
nonono, thank YOU : >
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To be truthful i haven't read Tolkien's works, since you have a better understanding of the lore, do you think that there's story to justify more LOTR movies? Do you think Tolkien will give permission to Peter Jackson to make movies about The Silmarillion ?
2nd Question: That an interesting question, that is partially difficult to answer. I'm not fully up to date, but Christopher Tolkien in the pasted hated the movies with passion. In addition there were and still are lawsuits going on (for example about the question, if the license to produce toys and movies for the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings also allows to make video games, etc.). So from my perspective, it is very unlikely, that the Tolkien Estate will give permission to make movies about the contents of the Silmarillion.
However at some point (if things like this strange copyright extension/Mickey Mouse protection act don't get extended until the end of time) the Silmarillion will become public domain.
First Question: Yes. I would say in the Lord of the Rings Universe are tons of great stories. Many are often a bit vague and would need someone to give it more details.
The most prominent example would be the story of Beren and Lúthien. There will also be a new book by Christopher Tolkien about those 2. The story is really epic.
But also the adventures of Beren's Father, or Elrond and his Brother and their parents. The War of Wrath, The War of the last alliance and the Downfall of Númenor are really great too. I could imagine you could even make a story about the founding of Rohan, with Eorl. Or the story of Helm Hammerhand. Even how Sauron becomes what we know him could be an amazing story.
There are even aspects in Lord of the Rings, that could be explored more. Like the role of Dale and the Dwarves in the War of the Ring. Esp. from the dwarves perspective could be very interesting.
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I just recently found out about your channel and i didn't have any idea of how deep LORT really goes...
I've been so attached to TLOTR since a little kid and always loved the moments of exploring distant history. I feel a very deep enphasis on the race of Men, and i'd love to see more of the First Age, more stories with Eru Ilúvatar, Valar and Maiar. I now see the tremendous amount of work C.Tolkien put into this tale and i do understand him being upset at the producers.
I don't see a problem in making 20 more movies with good enphasis on the real story. Hopefully in a near future we'll see the full story.
Still can't figure out how you don't have tens of thousand of subscribers, i'll look forward for more great videos. Regards!
Thank you, much appreciated. I never expected my lore video to become that popular :D The Shadow of War/Mordor and Tolkien's lore video gave my channel a huge boost and since I love Lord of the Rings too and know a lot, I will make lore videos from time to time =) Already have an idea for the next bigger lore video.
I'm also always amazed by how deep the lore goes. If you ask who is that; why is that? There is in most cases an answer. I know a few things, but when doing research for videos, I always learn so much more. So much thought and work, that J.R.R. Tolkien and later C. Tolkien put into it.
Haha well, I'm slowly getting their =) Still much to learn
From what i remember The family enjoyed Lord of the Rings but hated The Hobbit and after that they said they don't want to see anymore.
rohan had german/ausrian influnce riddermark - mark = grenze/ border ; burg = castle
English is also a germanic language and esp with Old English or "Anglo-Saxon" you have something that sounds very germanic. You hve many germanic words in english, even today: burg, sheen, men, hammer, hand, etc. The language of Rohan has 2 influences: Gothic and later it's Old English.
1000+ years ago English sounded like this (Old English):
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gonddorrrr
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@@ThePhilosophersGames i like your channel :) i like your style and the love you put in these videos :)
Thank you, happy you enjoy my content :)
They called themselves hymen....
I know, I'm immature.
lol that joke was unexpected. I also think nobody made it so far ^^
@@ThePhilosophersGames Serious? Lol I thought for sure I would have been like the tenth guy to say it. Well if I'm the least mature guy in the comments section, that's pretty refreshing. Hah.
haha I can confirm (I searched all comments and only found yours ^^). You are maybe the most original person :D
Im sorry but theres no way I'd call my syself a hymen... i mean high man.
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Issengard or isengard ?
The "s" should be like in "sad" (the "i" like in "machine", however Tolkien pronounced the i in readings like in "ice", which I guess makes both correct, but the word is Old English and there "i" is "ee" or ~ as in "machine").
ThePhilosophersGames Thanks for the answer ! I can now flex on my friends by pronouncing it eessengard lol
haha have fun ^^ (the "r" is also rolled/trilled in Old English, that's also true for Elvish and Dwarven names)
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There is a lot or rolling r’s in this video that don’t need to be in there.
Tolkien described the sound of the "r" in his languages as rolled. In the case of Rohirric names it's also Old English/Anglo Saxon (so to say English form 1000+ years ago), which sounds like this:
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So back in the day the "r" sound in English was rolled too (quite common in Germanic languages). Modern English developed itself away from this pronunciation over the centuries and doesn't sound that Germanic anymore today and most people are not used to the rolled "r" (voiced alveolar trill) anymore - besides accents and dialects, etc.
Since I did a lot of research on Tolkien's pronunciation rules, I decided to try and go with those, even though I often mess up. I'm also not as elegant as Tolkien himself:
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We dont care if it is i litteraly want to kill myself after all those rolling r's
Then you should never visit some European countries :P
I'm European....
I don't see how this does change a thing. There are certain countries with lot's of rolled r sounds in their language, in theory this could annoy you.
Dude you go way too far with the pronunciations. It's unbelievably annoying listening to you even for just 5 minutes overuse the rolling R's. We get it. You know the lore. It's just obnoxious after 2-3 times.
Wow, I never knew that there was so much history involved with The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy, I don't remember any of this in the movies.. this happened in the books you said though, right? So, uh, all of these kingdoms, and kings would be like Jarls in skyrim if I am understanding you correctly, with more complicated bloodlines... and Sauron and Celebrimbor would be the two high kings that ruled all of this land of Arba, another name for Middle Earth, right? And they were all fighting for the same land, and some armies were stronger than others, which lead to certain kingdoms falling into enemy control at times. Then, these rings came along, which made warfare easier and less catastrophic, and then, Sauron got his hands on one and then, Celebrimbor got the other, then, they created more rings, for certain kings, knights, and other like elves to have, then... these kings had their armies fight over control of these rings, leading to the evil kings and ultimately Sauron being sent to HELL and then, he was resurrected by the dark armies to try again? And he got stronger? And NOW ultimately, uh, can anyone beat him now?
Some of the stories are more fleshed out in the Silmarillion.
But mostly they are short mentions (or snippets) in the Appendices of Lord of the Rings. Some information are from "Unfinished Tales", a book about stuff, that J.R.R Tolkien never finished edited together and commented by his Son Christopher Tolkien. And some parts are from the letters of Tolkien.
So you often don't have epic long stories, more like: This dude, the son of this other guy, lived at this point and did this. He met this character here. The interesting thing is: some of those events explain certain things in Hobbit or Lord of the Rings. So everything basically gives LotR more depth. if you see a character in lord of the rings or a place, there is a short information about this, that might be connected to other events, that also have a backstory.
Well the rings were deliberately made by Sauron, to corrupt the elves on Middle-earth. When Sauron's body dies, he loses a lot of power and it takes him time regain it partially. Also creating armies and fortresses costs power or let's say means spreading his power. Sauron is not at his peak in Lord of the Rings. He was probably at his peak when he conquered Eregion. and almost all of Middle-earth until the men from Númenor came to help the elves.
Middle-earth is a continent of the "planet" Arda. And LotR and Hobbit play on this continent. Another continent is Aman (land of the Valar/Gods). Arda was not always a sphere. It was reshaped several times. It's very complicated.
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k follon!
What are the name again ? Lol
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ingwe'a atory 2million
sure youre pronunciation is on point...still super annoying tho
Some like it, others hate it :P Thanks for watching and commenting :)
pleasure my friend...went on a watching spree and look at your whole back log... a+ ....keep up the good work
It’s pronounced ‘Ey-oh-thayd’
You mean Éothéod? Why? It's Old English?
ThePhilosophersGames yes but when writing a pronunciation of a word you separate it into its constituents syllables, hence why I broke it down
ThePhilosophersGames not a scholar of old English but it’s not supposed to be pronounced as literally as you were
No I get, why you separated the syllables, but why should it be pronounced like this? When I apply the pronunciation rules of Old English, it has a very Germanic sound. You imply that "éo" is pronounced ~ey. I would agree on that to some degree, if it was "eo" (Eotheod). So a short "e" like in Eorl, which I try to pronounce almost like "yarl"(like the title Jarl, which is related) with a slight ey sound at the beginning. But I interpret the diacritic in "èo" as a hint for a long e, which would make it IPA /eːo/, which led to my decision for this pronunciation.
For this conclusion I also looked at the pronunciation of similar Old English words like "þrēo" (three; IPA /ˈθreːo/) and "eorþe" (earth; IPA /ˈeo̯rðe/).
ThePhilosophersGames ah I get you now, I just interpreted the èo as ‘ey’
the lothlorien didnt help the gondor while almost at hopeless situation.bullsh*t
Don't know exactly what you mean, but this is the Third Age. There was not much going on in Lothlórien. At times Galadriel helped out, but Lothlórien was pretty isolated and busy defending their borders from the activities of their unfriendly neighbors in Dol Guldur (depending on the time). The elves also started to leave Middle-earth at some point.
I just hope Disney doesn't come along and buy it all up only to destroy canon due to "artistic license."
I don't see that happening in the near future, when it comes to the books. Ofc they could buy the company that holds the film rights (for LotR and the Hobbit), but they still would not have access to the rest, not could declare something canon. The Tolkien Estate is proud and Christopher Tolkien still alive, they would not just sell their father's and granfather's legacy.
They will probably just allow a company to do things within certain limitations. The recent Amazon deal comes to my mind.
Great video but, did you have to talk so dirty with those words coming out your mouth!!
Thanks :P Well that's the flavor of old Germanic languages, that Tolkien loved so much :D
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Loved the video except the rolling of your r's
Thank you :)
Yes, I know some people find it annoying, but in Tolkien's languages most "r" sounds are rolled. Sadly I'm not as elegant as Tolkien himself or some other speakers like Hugo Weaving (Elrond in the movies). But I try to pronounce the names somewhat correctly, but ofc I often mess up :D
This is Tolkien reading elvish (Quenya):
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This is Elrond in the movies:
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The movie are quite inconsistent, when it comes to pronunciation of names. However, maybe that helps at least understanding, why I do this :D
irritating accent......probably just me....made it to 4:19....got tired of the rolling "r's" and throat phlemy "ch"s"....I'm sure it was accurate to the lore but these speaking habits are as irritating to me as someone who says " um ah" every sentence.
Yes it can be difficult to listen. English evolved very far away from its Germanic influences. If you listen to Old English (Anglo-Saxon), it's hard to believe, that English sounded like that 1000 years ago:
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Rohirric is pretty much Old English and some sounds are still present in some languages today like Finnish, German Icelandic, etc. (that's also where Tolkien took a lot of inspiration for his languages). But thanks for trying to watch and commenting :)
Well, it's probably less annoying than your German.
i like how he speaks, arrrrrr :D
warum leute mit sprachfehlern solche videos machen werde ich nie verstehen
Where exactly is the speech impediment?
you have a pretty strong lisp in some parts. 8 minutes onward for example, between all these elvish names. i mean i like your content, it's just sometimes hard to listen to imo. sorry if i'm mean, but this is the internet, you know.
Yes I don't know why, but when I speak english I lisp slightly (I don't have it, when I speak German though). It got better in more recent videos. Besides this my videos are still super successful for my channel size, so I don't see a problem. But ofc I try to improve on that.
Dafuq...this guy's voice sounds like an Indian robot
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Torturous to listen to.... sorry, i'm sure it's interesting but the narration is very off putting! I shan't be subscribing.
Yes I know, some people can't listen long to it. Be it my English or me trying to pronounce the names as Tolkien described them in his books. But thank you or trying :)
watching this video I just realized how annoying his pronunciation is
thanks :P
@@ThePhilosophersGames you over-pronounce you dont need to roll every r THAT much. i love your content though nobody does lotr lore as good as you
Thank you :) It's easier for me to roll it stronger. I try to reduce it a bit in my later videos
@@ThePhilosophersGames makes sense