Hello my friend, Thank you for posting this video on air rifle slugs for 12ftlb air rifles. I have thought about slugs in the past but was afraid I'd get them stuck in the air rifle barrel. I was really surprised with your BSA R12 CLX PRO. Ive always been content with the accuracy of JSB Heavies 10.65 gr and their hunting success rate. So without meaning to be unadventerous, Ive been happy to stick with those. The three air rifles you've used, I have a deep affection for, so wanted them all to do well. I zero my air rifles in at forty yards and my scope stays set at that. I then make a written note of hold under/over I require at different distances upto 50 yards.. Ive attempted 50/60yard shots in target practice and didn't feel confident they had the metal and ooomph to keep on target on breezy days at that range and beyond. That's my own personal opinion based on my personal ability and experience. So, for hunting, I'm happy in view of my personal ability and confidence to do what I'm doing and hone my skills at that criteria. Nevertheless, its always very interesting to push the boundaries and see what can be achieved. Thank you for your film, I found it a really good watch and interesting. I wish you all the best in your future ideas and videos. Ps. A very good gunsmith told me that pcp 12ftlb air rifles are better used with heavier pellets meaning 10.65gr for example, while spring 12ftlb air rifles are better using 8.4 grain pellets. This is because of how they function. Slowed down very many times, the spring piston is a gradual increase of air as the piston moves through the cylinder. With the pcp, as soon as the hammer goes, all the air goes at once, full belt. So that suits the heavier grained pellet.
@lancsvermincontrol Hello, my friend, Thank you for your enthusiasm and kind comment. I always try to raise relevant, helpful points for people who may not have thought about them. However, I'm also conscious and wary of boring the more experienced people to death. I dare say I have at some point. Apologies, that wasn't my intention. Thank you.
For the viewers that have said they will go out and buy the Zan pellets, you’re not getting the point and you may not get the same result as rifle barrels will differ. This is a subjective test. Mind you, it was interesting and yes, I too liked the fact that we didn’t have to wait an age for each shot to land, that made the video more engaging. I’m going to have to find one of those target stands now. Subscribed. I’m interested to see what other videos come out.
Awesome video Lancs great comparison between the 3 rifles shooting 12 fpe very surprising results. Very surprising out to a 100 yards with a 177 and slugs you ended this test with a bang well done. I'm going to try the ZAN slugs in my HP break barrel and I'll let you know how they do.
I tried slugs in my sub12 a while ago and they were awful. I assumed 12ftlb just wasn't enough power for slugs, but those zans proved me wrong! Maybe it's time to try again. Great test, thanks!
It goes to show theres a slug for every barrel if you do your homework👍i was expecting them to keyhole/tumble at the longer distances but youve proved the naysayers wrong. Great video yet again
Excellent video. No waffling on about crap. Just straight to the point. Top job. Just subscribed. Keep up the great work straight forward facts works every time.
I have a AA S410k I brought in 2003. It had a new air cylinder about 5 years ago as I’ve used it all conditions. Paired with the AA hunter pellets it still shoots incredibly well. So much so I’ve never brought a newer gun. Great shooting
I found similar results through my AA S400, ZAN 13grn performed well. Mako, 10.5 I think, so far has out performed anything else, comparable accuracy to good pellets but carries energy better, obviously. One thing I noticed through my unregulated S400 is that the ZAN 13's were shifting POI up and down through the course of a fill, at 50 metres. I presume due to the variation in pressure but more work needed to be conclusive. Nice work my dude, thanks for the info
I like using a strip of 10 paper caps for a cap gun they give a nice little puff of smoke when hit. And they are much cheaper 😊 Nice shooting kid see ya next one thanks.
How do mate to be honest im not a lover of slugs in a sub 12 rifle, but after watching this lets say its defiantly gave me food for thought , and re-think about them, humm Cheers mate and thanks for sharing 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I had the same thoughts as you before the test and decided that people would be interested in seeing the results. For the distances I shoot with sub 12 I'm sticking with pellets but if you want to push further slugs may be the answer.
An excellent and informative empirical analysis and test video. I wonder if any of those slugs would work in a springer? Personally amazed at the 100yd accuracy achieved, which many centre fires would find hard to surpass.
Ha ha great video was interesting and funny loved the camo paint job on the ultra should have gone the whole way and done the stock to looked sick though !!
Great video, interesting comparison, the ZAN in front, it's no surprise. We have a bit of the same way of making videos, we're not afraid to present our mistakes ! 😅
I would like to see the results with .22 using higher power rifles. My old Crosman Venom (break-barrel) will shoot 18gr. slugs at 700 ft/sec on my chrono (19.6 ft-lbs.).
Important video. Most sub 12 owners shy away from slugs having been told they will get jammed. Have to say, the R12??? BSA knew about this issue with even pellets getting into the action within weeks of its launch!!
great video tried the zan 10 grainers through my hw100 grouped great but the power was under 10 ft pounds so didn't bother after that did you chrony them?
I have an S510 with PAO sight also a Rutger in 1.77 I prefer the S510 all day long and having seen how your guns struggled to be constantly accurate I will stick with Diablo Field.
Great shooting! 👍 Would you be able to tell me the twist rate of your BSA Ultra SE please? Tried the ZAN 10gr in my HW100KT, 310mm barrel 1:16.34 twist, they grouped OK at 20 yards, within 0.5", but I had a major issue with them falling out of the standard magazines and jamming it, so it would be single shot loader only unless I can think of a different way of holding them in the magazine. The other issue is they measured about 1ft/lb low vs Bisley Magnum 10.65gr Did you Chrony those slugs at all please?
@@jakobiller Thanks bud 👍 So same as the S510. When I tested the ZAN 10gr in my KT they measured 689fps = 10.5fpe and were right on the point of rotational stability / instability. The app recommended a 1:12 twist rate, but another 40fps would have also made a huge difference as it was it was right in that knife edge and a gust of wing sent them key holing. If I try then again I'll give the bore a light polish too. 👍
snyper cat/cubbly cat. used to shoot and break plates at 200yrds with a hw100k under 12flbs with AA pellets. someone didnt believe her and sent the police round. they checked her guns and all were around the 11.5ftlbs range...
Excellent video, did you adjust your scope for 100 yard test? If so how many clicks did need for the addition distance, I have seen other footage stating they travel a lot faster. Many thanks Joe
I tried the Zan 10gr and 13gr in my Vulcan 2 the other day, 13gr did better than the 10gr but wasn't great. Got my ultra and redwolf to try them in too
Lube your zan slugs with imperial aizing sie wax,, thorough barrel clean and ab 30 fouling shots, uses them since they came out in fac 25 and 30 cal uragans and v3
Just tried those Zan 13 g down at my shooting range using my brk ghost .177 and I’m super super stoked I done 3 card targets at 50 yds outdoors bullseyes 20 mm and I punched the middle out of everyone 6 shots per target not a single miss I zeroed of target of course but omg I’m super stoked
I’ve tried having a look to try and remember but unfortunately I really can’t remember. Which is a shame because it’s a Brilliant target holder. It’s holding up a sheet of aluminium in the video.
I watch this last year and was impressed so i tried 13 grain Zans in my s410 spot on at 30 metres but the ftlb at the barrel was only 7.6 ftlb and 8.4 ftlb after lubing did you record any data on the Zans it would be interesting to compare?
Ive tried the zan 10gr in the cz barrel katran, didnt like them at all, the ph 10gr were better but still no where as good as a qys strealined 9.5gr pellets
Hi mate,I live in lancaster,is there anyone local that you can put me onto that does the custom painting please??, I’m after a gun doing similar to yours,cheers
@@lancsvermincontrol nice one thanks,I have a couple of farm permissions in the lancaster area if you are interested in coming up let me know and we can organise something Thanks John
Slugs aren’t really made for sub 12ftlbs to many contact points too much friction. It always amazes me why people try different stuff when there are tried and tested pellets for all those rifles 🙄
There is always room for improvement, ALWAYS. That’s why companies continue to research and develop. Slugs were awful several years ago but they have improved vastly. In sub 12 yes I would probably stick with pellets but at that distance even in sub 12 that slug is more than likely more accurate than a pellet, and will probably get better in the next few years. Pellets have probably reached their full potential due to the shape, don’t be scared of change!
Found your channels the other day, subbed then started binge watching. Liked them and even commented on a few, usually when I’m replying to one the bell ends who don’t understand why vermin needs to be controlled. Anyway, big fan, love your work, nice shooting 👍 😂
@@lancsvermincontrolYeah I know, a few of them used to appear on Si and Davy’s Vermin Hunters TV channel. Probably a sad little lycra clad vegan cyclist suffering from anaemia 😂
well edited not dragged out👍
Hello my friend,
Thank you for posting this video on air rifle slugs for 12ftlb air rifles. I have thought about slugs in the past but was afraid I'd get them stuck in the air rifle barrel.
I was really surprised with your BSA R12 CLX PRO. Ive always been content with the accuracy of JSB Heavies 10.65 gr and their hunting success rate. So without meaning to be unadventerous, Ive been happy to stick with those.
The three air rifles you've used, I have a deep affection for, so wanted them all to do well.
I zero my air rifles in at forty yards and my scope stays set at that. I then make a written note of hold under/over I require at different distances upto 50 yards..
Ive attempted 50/60yard shots in target practice and didn't feel confident they had the metal and ooomph to keep on target on breezy days at that range and beyond. That's my own personal opinion based on my personal ability and experience.
So, for hunting, I'm happy in view of my personal ability and confidence to do what I'm doing and hone my skills at that criteria.
Nevertheless, its always very interesting to push the boundaries and see what can be achieved.
Thank you for your film, I found it a really good watch and interesting.
I wish you all the best in your future ideas and videos.
Ps. A very good gunsmith told me that pcp 12ftlb air rifles are better used with heavier pellets meaning 10.65gr for example, while spring 12ftlb air rifles are better using 8.4 grain pellets. This is because of how they function.
Slowed down very many times, the spring piston is a gradual increase of air as the piston moves through the cylinder.
With the pcp, as soon as the hammer goes, all the air goes at once, full belt. So that suits the heavier grained pellet.
Really enjoy reading all your thoughts and long comments Ian, glad you’re enjoying the videos.
@lancsvermincontrol
Hello, my friend,
Thank you for your enthusiasm and kind comment. I always try to raise relevant, helpful points for people who may not have thought about them. However, I'm also conscious and wary of boring the more experienced people to death. I dare say I have at some point. Apologies, that wasn't my intention. Thank you.
Lancs, that was FUN and informative! Thanks! Dave in USA
WoW thanks for that. Probably the most professional test I have ever seen.
Thank you very much John, glad you enjoyed the video.
Well made and fun to watch as always. You busted some myths here today.
Glad you enjoyed it
For the viewers that have said they will go out and buy the Zan pellets, you’re not getting the point and you may not get the same result as rifle barrels will differ. This is a subjective test.
Mind you, it was interesting and yes, I too liked the fact that we didn’t have to wait an age for each shot to land, that made the video more engaging.
I’m going to have to find one of those target stands now.
Subscribed. I’m interested to see what other videos come out.
Wow I just realized before looking this was an air gun! Awesome man.
Thank you very much 👍
That was incredible, and not the results we were expecting.
Brilliant video and top content
Awesome video Lancs great comparison between the 3 rifles shooting 12 fpe very surprising results. Very surprising out to a 100 yards with a 177 and slugs you ended this test with a bang well done. I'm going to try the ZAN slugs in my HP break barrel and I'll let you know how they do.
I've got a BSA ultra and it's as accurate as my weihrauch and Ripley pcps a grate little rifle.
Great testing but the explosive targets were so cool! Thank you for sharing my friend!
I tried slugs in my sub12 a while ago and they were awful. I assumed 12ftlb just wasn't enough power for slugs, but those zans proved me wrong! Maybe it's time to try again. Great test, thanks!
Got to try them all. The R12 didn't like anything I had available. The Ultra loved the 13gr ZANs.
Great video Lanc’s very impressive results 👍🇬🇧
Thanks 👍
Good video that G. And nice shooting, R12 was a bit of a revelation!😂😂👍👍
That was a brilliant test, thank you. I have the AA Tactical in .177 sub 12ftlb so will give them a go👍
It goes to show theres a slug for every barrel if you do your homework👍i was expecting them to keyhole/tumble at the longer distances but youve proved the naysayers wrong. Great video yet again
The older bsa rifles have no choke the others do thats why it can shoot slugs any air rifle with a choke will not like them
Excellent video. No waffling on about crap. Just straight to the point. Top job. Just subscribed. Keep up the great work straight forward facts works every time.
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed the video.
I have an S510 so will give them a go too. The H&N looked pretty good as well.
Just got to try them all. You never know if something will work.
Good to see the same experiment with your impact…
I have a AA S410k I brought in 2003. It had a new air cylinder about 5 years ago as I’ve used it all conditions. Paired with the AA hunter pellets it still shoots incredibly well. So much so I’ve never brought a newer gun. Great shooting
Awesome video and shooting beautiful air guns you got thanks for sharing be safe buddy 👍
Thank you Chris
Great shooting as always
Thanks Janice 👍
Good test mate,always worth a try in most sub 12s
Absolutely
I found similar results through my AA S400, ZAN 13grn performed well. Mako, 10.5 I think, so far has out performed anything else, comparable accuracy to good pellets but carries energy better, obviously.
One thing I noticed through my unregulated S400 is that the ZAN 13's were shifting POI up and down through the course of a fill, at 50 metres. I presume due to the variation in pressure but more work needed to be conclusive.
Nice work my dude, thanks for the info
Another great video, just wish I could get the 30gr Zan's to group in my .25 Maverick without having to invest in a heavy liner.
I use mako slugs in my airwolf mct and there brilliant (sub 12,)
Nice one ,saved me a few quid on that folly
Quality shooting
Those results were a bit of an eye-opener! It would have been interesting to compare the results with normal ammunition, ie pellets.
I like using a strip of 10 paper caps for a cap gun they give a nice little puff of smoke when hit. And they are much cheaper 😊 Nice shooting kid see ya next one thanks.
How do mate to be honest im not a lover of slugs in a sub 12 rifle, but after watching this lets say its defiantly gave me food for thought , and re-think about them, humm Cheers mate and thanks for sharing 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I had the same thoughts as you before the test and decided that people would be interested in seeing the results. For the distances I shoot with sub 12 I'm sticking with pellets but if you want to push further slugs may be the answer.
@@lancsvermincontrol Yea my usual distances are any where between lets say 25 - to 45 yards, but i found it interesting, and great watch mate Cheers
challenge of hitting a 40mm hft target at 100 yards
Interesting, my BSA R10 SE in .22 is an absolute laser with the legion slugs. Just shows that every rifle has a preferential pellet, or slug!
I've been casting my own slugs for years and they kill well enough if you hold the gun straight.
An excellent and informative empirical analysis and test video. I wonder if any of those slugs would work in a springer? Personally amazed at the 100yd accuracy achieved, which many centre fires would find hard to surpass.
Ha ha great video was interesting and funny loved the camo paint job on the ultra should have gone the whole way and done the stock to looked sick though !!
Great video, interesting comparison, the ZAN in front, it's no surprise. We have a bit of the same way of making videos, we're not afraid to present our mistakes ! 😅
Great video something different i will definitely be having a go with some slugs should be good on rabbits a little further out
I would like to see the results with .22 using higher power rifles.
My old Crosman Venom (break-barrel) will shoot 18gr. slugs at 700 ft/sec on my chrono (19.6 ft-lbs.).
Important video. Most sub 12 owners shy away from slugs having been told they will get jammed. Have to say, the R12??? BSA knew about this issue with even pellets getting into the action within weeks of its launch!!
great video tried the zan 10 grainers through my hw100 grouped great but the power was under 10 ft pounds so didn't bother after that did you chrony them?
I have an S510 with PAO sight also a Rutger in 1.77 I prefer the S510 all day long and having seen how your guns struggled to be constantly accurate I will stick with Diablo Field.
Great shooting, very honest video. What did you have holdover at 100 yrds? Cheers.
I dialled on the scope. No idea what it was sorry, but it was a lot 😂
Great shooting! 👍
Would you be able to tell me the twist rate of your BSA Ultra SE please?
Tried the ZAN 10gr in my HW100KT, 310mm barrel 1:16.34 twist, they grouped OK at 20 yards, within 0.5", but I had a major issue with them falling out of the standard magazines and jamming it, so it would be single shot loader only unless I can think of a different way of holding them in the magazine.
The other issue is they measured about 1ft/lb low vs Bisley Magnum 10.65gr
Did you Chrony those slugs at all please?
Unfortunately I've no idea of the twist rate.
As for chrono readings I didn't bother just because there was that many.
Ultra's have 1:17 twist rate.
@@jakobiller
Thanks bud 👍
So same as the S510.
When I tested the ZAN 10gr in my KT they measured 689fps = 10.5fpe and were right on the point of rotational stability / instability.
The app recommended a 1:12 twist rate, but another 40fps would have also made a huge difference as it was it was right in that knife edge and a gust of wing sent them key holing.
If I try then again I'll give the bore a light polish too. 👍
snyper cat/cubbly cat. used to shoot and break plates at 200yrds with a hw100k under 12flbs with AA pellets. someone didnt believe her and sent the police round. they checked her guns and all were around the 11.5ftlbs range...
Wow just wow 😮
Wow just wow I’m getting Zan 13 g now😮
In an Ultra 😂😂
Any thoughts on which slugs would go through the hw100 well?
Maybe a vid for another day.
Just got to test test test unfortunately. Same rifle can yield different results.
Excellent video, did you adjust your scope for 100 yard test? If so how many clicks did need for the addition distance, I have seen other footage stating they travel a lot faster.
Many thanks Joe
Yes I dialled in for that range. How many clicks? Too many 😂 no idea.
Very interesting, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Good video 👍. Thanks.
Definitely worth a sub.
Thanks for the sub Gary.
Thanks for the sub Gary.
@@lancsvermincontrol I'm a Bulgarian subscriber.😉
Good channel, well done 👍.
I tried the Zan 10gr and 13gr in my Vulcan 2 the other day, 13gr did better than the 10gr but wasn't great. Got my ultra and redwolf to try them in too
All about testing testing testing...
@@lancsvermincontrol Absolutely. I've got so many tins of pellets and slugs to try in everything.
interesting, useful video
Interesting stuff , I enjoyed that a lot ..
Awesome, thank you!
Have you put them over coronagraph, always found they give a lower ftlbs in sub 12
Lube your zan slugs with imperial aizing sie wax,, thorough barrel clean and ab 30 fouling shots, uses them since they came out in fac 25 and 30 cal uragans and v3
I have the BSA R12 clx pro in
. 22 I use JSB exact jumbo 15. 89 gr I can honestly say it an awsome gun can hit great groups at 50yds
Liked that so much I have subscribed, and saved this wow what a surprise
Awesome! Thank you!
Hmm i wonder if my s410 and maverick will like the zan 13 grains
You’ll never know until you try them.
@@lancsvermincontrol they both hate the jsb ko
Just tried those Zan 13 g down at my shooting range using my brk ghost .177 and I’m super super stoked I done 3 card targets at 50 yds outdoors bullseyes 20 mm and I punched the middle out of everyone 6 shots per target not a single miss I zeroed of target of course but omg I’m super stoked
Glad to hear it.
Good vid what is the metal tgt frame you’re using ?
I honestly can’t remember what it’s called.
@@lancsvermincontrol any idea where it was bought ?
I’ve tried having a look to try and remember but unfortunately I really can’t remember. Which is a shame because it’s a Brilliant target holder. It’s holding up a sheet of aluminium in the video.
They seem very light for "slugs", not sure what the advantage is over "pellets" tbh...
I watch this last year and was impressed so i tried 13 grain Zans in my s410 spot on at 30 metres but the ftlb at the barrel was only 7.6 ftlb and 8.4 ftlb after lubing did you record any data on the Zans it would be interesting to compare?
I can't remember the exact figure but they were above 11ft/lbs.
Where did you get the custom paint done?
facebook.com/liquidsteeldesigns
@@lancsvermincontrolcheers mate
Was that Loftys ultra?
Yes, which I sold him a few years ago 🤬
Think I might give slugs a go?
What mod do you have on the ultra?
It is a standard Weihrauch silencer.
@@lancsvermincontrol thanks mate. I have the ultra CLX and it sounds a bit tinny
Out of interest, did you clean the barrels before shooting slugs ?
did you try them in the chrono. do you know if the rifles have choked barrels. cheers
Why didn’t you shoot H&N slugs at 100 yards with the s510 when the H&N had the best group at 40 yards ?
Ive tried the zan 10gr in the cz barrel katran, didnt like them at all, the ph 10gr were better but still no where as good as a qys strealined 9.5gr pellets
You never know until you try them 👍
Hi mate,I live in lancaster,is there anyone local that you can put me onto that does the custom painting please??, I’m after a gun doing similar to yours,cheers
Geoff at Liquid Steel Designs. You can find him on Facebook.
@@lancsvermincontrol nice one thanks,I have a couple of farm permissions in the lancaster area if you are interested in coming up let me know and we can organise something
Thanks John
my Pulsar was better with the Zan 10g but same results Zan 13g second
What is an AA S510 "US"?
Ultimate Sporter.
@@martincook3459 Oh, OK. Stupid of me to miss that one. Thank you sir.
That’s why you don’t buy the newer bsa rifles absolutely ass 😵💫🤣
But it does shoot pellets really well.
Slugs aren’t really made for sub 12ftlbs to many contact points too much friction. It always amazes me why people try different stuff when there are tried and tested pellets for all those rifles 🙄
There is always room for improvement, ALWAYS. That’s why companies continue to research and develop. Slugs were awful several years ago but they have improved vastly. In sub 12 yes I would probably stick with pellets but at that distance even in sub 12 that slug is more than likely more accurate than a pellet, and will probably get better in the next few years.
Pellets have probably reached their full potential due to the shape, don’t be scared of change!
Found your channels the other day, subbed then started binge watching. Liked them and even commented on a few, usually when I’m replying to one the bell ends who don’t understand why vermin needs to be controlled.
Anyway, big fan, love your work, nice shooting 👍
😂
Glad to hear you’re bingeing my channel 😂👍 you get haters all the time on these types of channels, you’ll never change their mind unfortunately.
@@lancsvermincontrolYeah I know, a few of them used to appear on Si and Davy’s Vermin Hunters TV channel. Probably a sad little lycra clad vegan cyclist suffering from anaemia 😂
Can hunt at that distance !!! Not with 100% know that's where its going !! And just coz that BSA or air ams like slugs don't mean they all will !!
Which is why you need to try them all yourself.