Thank you for the compliment and advice. That was the first time for me taking a cylinder out of a clone or replica like this. The half cock makes it worlds easier!
Used to the ruger that drops the cylinder bolt when you open it. I spotted this right away. You will scratch the heck out of the cylinder with the bolt up. Also called a cylinder stop.
Taurus made an earlir iteration in 2006 or so, called the 'Gaucho" Same action, same finishes. For some reason Taurus discontinued the Gaucho in 2009. I have one. Very slick and 2 lb. trigger. LOVE it1
I have 4 Gauchos. They were discontinued because the cross bars break and the bluing was crap. They do not support them with parts or service. I used them and 4 ASM Colt clones, 1 Pietta and a Ruger Vaquero when I ran the show at the OK Corral. The Gauchos had the most problems.
I also have a Gaucho that I bought around 2007 in 357. I have shot mainly 38 special in it and have had no problems with it. I love silky smooth hammer cocking of the gun. I have read several places that the guns chambered in 45 are the guns that have the problems. I seem to be lucky on getting trouble free guns. The ones I had the most problems with are my CZ 50's out of the 30 or so guns I own. They also made s pump action rifle at the same time for the CAS crowd. as the Gaucho was also aimed at the same market.
I have been using my deputies for the past few months for SASS shooting. I did slick mine up with a wolf spring kit. I posted a video of it. I have always used Pietas but I’ll say with some tuning they are slick as any I used. The only draw back I have is I have big hands and the grips are small for me. Great video. Keep it up.
Hi! So grips are just like uberti clones? Small ones and pinky finger goes under grip? So in that case I still need to get piettas with 1860 army grips ...
I know there are some people that don’t like transfer bars they say they’re not original to it and so on. The fact of the matter is Samuel Colt made many changes and improvements to his original design. He just didn’t get to this one before he died. The people that say, you don’t need it are the same people that think that drum breaks are OK and we should’ve never went to disc on a car. And remember if you don’t like something, don’t buy it. Myself I would definitely like to be able to carry one more round safely.
@@markzimmerman7279 yes he did, and if he had lived longer, he would’ve changed the way the revolver that he invented or coinvented and improved on he would’ve improved on it more. The same reason we don’t make model ts things change for good or bad and mostly for the good. I don’t know anybody that would like riding around in Henry Ford‘s first car every day with no heat really bad brakes. Poor headlights now air conditioning on a transfer bar doesn’t affect how well the gun fires doesn’t affect the trigger. I’ve proven this to dozens of my friends given them and original single action cold and a new Ruger blindfolded them had them fire it they couldn’t tell the difference. The fact is and it’s a fact that a modern single action revolver is built better than the original single action Colts. Trust me every cowboy everybody in the military back in the day that carried an old one or a new one would pick the new one because it would be, a better choice to save their lives. Leslie, do I love my old sing actions absolutely absolutely if my life depends on one. I’m picking a new one with a transfer bar that holds six instead of five safely every single time.
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner most of them don’t need to be activated or deactivated. Some of the cheap ones have an external safety, but Ruger and Taurus. They’re all automatic nothing you have to do hammer back pull the trigger. Nothing else to do. Nothing to do it is just as fast and reliable as one without.
Ok . Since you feel that way , Ruger , certain models of Pietta , a couple of discontinued , but still common , and probably a couple obscure ones I'm not remembering their action offhand , will be right up your alley . Everything " new " doesn't instantly replace the previous technology , and some products hit a sweet spot and remain long term wide use . But the extreme of your reasoning , when Colt introduced the New Model Army & Navy Revolver aka M1889 . they should have instantly discontinued the Model P .
And ...The first release 1873 had a set screw for the base pin retainer. The second release 1879 was changed to a spring loaded base pin keeper . So the cylinder could be changed out quicker in the field, carbon build up on the front of the cylinder and forcing cone would slow up or stop the cylinder from turning . Taurus did a good job on a frist time release of the Model "P" Single action Army . Uberti makes one of the finest Reproduction you can buy for just a few more dollars . You would be shooting yourself in the foot to not look at the Uberti first. Also Cimarron and Taylor & company.
yep they call it the black powder frame these days which is... well.. lazy.. like saying 'long Colt' I have the Uberti clones and they are the 1st or 'bp' frame... with smokeless of course that is not an issue and I admit I like the looks better and also the bullseye ejector rod. This Taurus is just awful in my opinion... "polished black' ? you mean black paint finish? I want blue and color case but that is just me. On my percussion clones I have nickel plated em (anyone can do it) and I plate everything that is not wood or color case. I think they are very good looking and mostly historical and clean up better and more durable.
The spring loaded was introduced in 1896. Up til then.they all used the screw. Came along with the new modern smokeless powder versions of the calibers.
@@wesleyhalpern184 yep but there was no 'black powder' frame as such. and just having the spring release does not mean you have a gun meant for smokeless.
The frames are generally known also as either OM (old model, screw retention, round ejector rod knob, thinner front sight and the Pre War with push button release, smaller ejector knob and wider front sight. There are probably other differences. I have Ruger, Pietta and Uberti (and American company rebadged versions of the italian clones. EMF, Beretta, etc.). The Pietta made are 4 click hammers with no safety and have a better action than the Uberti made, but the Uberti are better finished/smoother edges and they have a version of a safety depending on when it was made and probably the importer specifications. The Ruger I have is the original Vaquero, large framed and a Bisley grip. It's a tank! I may try the Taurus in the future. SA clones are just neat guns. Then there are the Black Powder cartridge conversion guns...
@@willbar1961 The Ubertis I have are older ones with 4 clicks and a safety notch. they also had the odd cyl pin that had two positions which really just caused problems so I just ground em doiwn to one positiion.
I just wanted to know about the Taurus. SASS shooter since 81. These would be great to learn tricks with. Two best gunman I ever seen was Thel Reed and Jerry Lewis. Jerrys stand up act is unbelievable. If you've never seen him on stage with his six guns? it'll drop your jaw
According to Wyatt Earp himself, it didn't take him long to shorten the barrel of the Buntline to a more normal length. It was too unwieldy. This from the Stuart N. Lake book about Earp.
I have 3.5in Thunder 45s and to get the basepin out you swing the ejector rod out of the way to fully remove the basepin. Looks like you're cross dominate like me, right handed but left master eye. I tend to print left of the aim too.
I went to pick mine up at my FFL today. The fit and finish was very nice, a great looking pistol. Bad thing is, the front sight was laying in the box. So I told the FFL to send it back.
My Vaquero is from the first production series in .44 magnum with a 7.5 inch barrel. I got it in the mid 1990's. This does look like a good price and I may get one or two of them.
Great vid. An important difference between the Ruger Vaquero and the other Colt clones is that the Ruger's cylinder spins both ways. Remember, don't use +P, ++P ammo in these guns, including the New Vaquero. The old Vaquero was much stouter and can handle heavy loads.
If you hand loaded, in.45 Colt, the Old vaqueros and Blackhawk single actions could be loaded to almost .rr magnum velocities and pressures, their frames are cylinders were that stout. I wouldn't advise it with a NEW Vaquero, though.
Glad I clicked on this, great mini history lesson with Colt. I am halfway through this video, Although you are correct about them entering the market with this model, Lets not forget its predecessor the Taurus Gaucho which was a SAA which was a decent homage to the Colt original design.
@@StephenEngdahl-mu9rr yep they left a lot to be desired, I had three. One that stayed at Taurus repair shop for almost a year until the replaced it with a 92 semi auto. They could not get the trigger assembly. The other two shot ok but i quickly got rid of them after the repair experience.
Re. The $10 stuffed into a chamber. Remember back then US currency was called a horse blanket. Much larger than today's notes. They were 3.125 inches by 7.375
So we did a video which we'll have coming up with a larger "bill" - actually a piece of paper cut to the right size. We could not get it in the 357 chamber without it jamming BUT the diameter of the 45 Colt would be bigger and it would have fit. If we folded it to reduce the length it would work in the 45 BUT you can see me jamming up a perfected good 357 revolver in the video.
I learned that from my dad as a kid in late 1960's. I came across a well used wallet that was odd looking and oversized. So dad filled me in. Don't think I've ever handled one of those large notes.
@@DaGunGuy I have two Gauchos that I got from another SASS shooter when I was first starting out in the sport. They worked quite well for me until I could afford to upgrade to my Ubertis. I still have them for backups and in case someone I know wants to give CAS a try.
Whoopie Freakin' DO!...What good is a cowboy gun for self-defense today? Taurus once again, has had massive QC and SAFETY concerns with its standard product line.
Do you have a link that shows that Taurus offers that? I know Ruger offers Blackhawks with a conversion cylinder, but I have not seen any Taurus ones other than their double action models that have the quick change cylinder options.
@@robertkeller9828my boy😂 what are you even talking about. This 100% is not a gun meant for self defense. This is a gun to look at and take to the range. Maybe even go deer hunting with it. What’s with the hate on Taurus? They make affordable firearms and have amazing customer service compared to other platforms like Glock and sig. I personally can afford a higher class firearm but for a woods/boat gun can’t beat em.
@@robertkeller9828 who said it was for self defense? But while we're on the subject if someone was shooting one at you, would you stick around because they probably only had 5 .45 bullets to launch at you?
“Revolving Pistol.” It bothers me that strict nomenclature folks go after anyone calling a revolver a pistol. Billy the Kid was called the Prince of Pistoleers not Prince of Revolvereers. Gunfighters in the southwest were called Pistoleros not Revolveros. There are also some interesting historical discussions about the loading, carrying, and safety of the colt SAA by plowboys ghost and 11bangbang.
Right. Pistols are pistols. The first were single shots, then revolvers, shell bangers, then autos etc. They're all pistols. And guns,handguns, sidearms,side-irons and so forth.
@@oolooo maybe it was just where I grew up. Out west in a community of ranchers and old homestead families. The word “handgun” wasn’t in use. Never heard of that word till later in life. “Pistol” was the generic catch all term used. If you wanted to be specific then you could say semi auto or revolver. It’s kind of like how we used the word “coke” to mean all carbonated soft drinks. Just like the word pistol, I had to stop saying “coke” as a young adult because I started working with people from other parts of the country who would make fun of me. But that was the term we used back then. I had to adopt the word handgun just like I had to adopt the word soda, but these weren’t the terms that we used growing up.
No wonder you're breaking things. You place the hammer on HALF COCK to remove the cylinder of an SAA, (except for a Ruger). That way the locking bolt is in the DOWN position and doesn't engage the bolt recess in the cylinder.
I really like Taurus, but I have large hands. Taylor has many of us spoiled with adapting 1860 grips to their 1873 models. Hopefully Taurus will see their way clear to offer us Sasquatches this option as well🤠👍
First thing I thought (I like Taurus guns) is "I sure hope they didn't put a big billboard on the side of the barrel" and sure as schitt they did. Who is advising them? I mean, put your stamp on the gun for sure but put it under the barrel - and it's OK on the grip panels OK but don't put that modern font oversized stamp on the side of the barrel. It's probably a great revolver... but I promise you they lost probably 70% of the prospective buyers with that move. Thanks for the review!
Fun fact,according to US government inflation calculator 1873 $17 is $445.96 in 2024. And I figure the combination of 1873 Winchester and SAA in 44-40 was the true West winner.
You give me. About a week working on the trigger mechanism and I'll have it running.Smooth as glass and we'll put that Ruger to shame I've done a lot of work on cowboy guns. It's sort of my hobby hobby. I love to modify them so they work. Very well. I've been doing it for a long time.
I own one of every model EAA Bounty Hunter all in .44 magnum and one Taylor's and Co Cattleman also in .44 mag. I really like them all. Maybe Taurus might make a .44 mag version. P.S. Bounty Hunters will take aftermarket & factory Colt spare parts.
I got Pietta years ago, Nickle flacked off the back of the cylinder and the hammer pin came out in the first 100 rds. It was a cheap gun. Still runs, allot of fun. A Colt SAA clone in 38/357 ,..Ruger would my choice if more than a plinker.
I bought a Deputy .45 Colt 5.5 " love it transfer bar safety great upgrade Cary 6 not 5 my serial was low 500 serial, it has become my everyday carry reliable and accurate and love .45LC and 45 ACP both knock them down and they don't get back up During Vietnam alot of Helecopter Piolets had SAA Colts in .45LC and carried their 1911 .45 Air Cav.
Hope your transfer bar never breaks when you NEED it! Had that happen to me once (luckily I was just target shooting). Was without the gun for over six months waiting for Ruger to get it back to me. At least they fixed it for free and paid shipping both ways. Sold those Rugers, went to Ubertis (Taylor made, but still made by Ubertis) and NEVER LOOKED BACK! I don't mind a Ruger double action (hell, TRY to find a double action without a transfer bar), but the only single action Ruger I'd ever buy again would be an old 3 screw that hadn't been changed over to the New Model action (Ruger offered to convert the old models at one time, and still MAY, I don't know). The ORIGINAL Ruger Blackhawk has an action basically original to the first generation Colt, except Ruger used coil springs instead of leaf.
Nice gun. I have a ruger blackhawk for hunting. 45 colt. Use some underwood ammo. Just a little under thr 44mag. The taurus deputy looks very nice. It looks like it shoots a little to the left consistency. The ruger Vaquero is really nice too. Lol any excuses to buy a new gun works lol. Have you fixed the ruger with new sights. Well have fun and be safe doing it.
I respect and admire the fact that you want to be historically accurate when speaking of western handguns. Our history is both glorious and sad at the same time. Many lives met their end because of the SAA handgun.
, in the old days, outlaws and some lawmen, Heck Thomas among those, carried a $10 bill in the empty chamber of a .45 Colt, as "burying money," in case they didn't survive. As a kid, I knew an old man named Lonnie Goodnight, he was my grandfather's friend, who has been best friends with Frank Earon, the original "Pistol Pete" the mascot for Oklahoma State University is a character of. He always has money in the chamber of his Colts. Lonnie said his uncle was Charles Goodnight, but I don't know if that was true or not.
... Im not a gun guy... (and im sorry i have to say so much and explain, because i do have love for the saying of colts "cursed blessing". or however thats said.) And so from the perspective of somebody that is probably even more obsolete than a single action.,... man, Please tell me you can change out that handle. Im sure its a side note and still though, anything that allows a person to direct an explosion should not have plastic as a part of its make up. (If nothing else just an opinion.) Learning about the 4 ticks or clicks was a cool part in any case, This being the first place ive heard about that. Its a tool, and truly a power tool if there ever was one. And so thank you for the post, im glad your channel found its way to my "feed".
@@DaGunGuy So I "updated" a part of my post where I wrote about "colts blessing or colts cursed blessing". I just wanted to say so you can tell me if you want me to pull that statement. And in any case I'm glad to hear they at least have a different option and the piece is made with the ability to be simply disassembled and cleaned. ... And so once again, thank you for the post. And I'm glad to know that we still have a market for those tools that STILL have a positive association/reference for making the world a better place. (For future generations, without getting into the arguments. I'll just erase my posts.) ... Absolutely appreciated and ...love forever whatsoever...
Is the 44-40 ammo still a thing? I haven't seen anyone shooting anything in that calibre on here ever... Is there a substitute round used in those guns?
The Ruger has been broken in is why it is smoother. I think it will run smoother after it has been broken in. Maybe not as smooth as the Ruger, but much smoother than brand new.
Thank you for responding, with the price. So would I be able to order one or two now, or are they on special order only now? Again thank you for responding.
And Bizzly, not Byezzly, and 4 3/4 inch barrel, not 4 1/2, and Ned Buntline had a little bit to do with the Colt Buntline, plus clones and variants from numerous manufacturers have been popular, having come and gone and back again for decades, in no small part due to the likes of the Ruger Bearcat and Single-Six during the TV Cowboy heydays as far back as the late 1940s. ...but that is more my OCD than a real complaint 😂
Sold my Ruger Vaquero, 45 Long Colt, 71/2 inch barrel ..............and to this day I do not know why, but what I do know is it was a dumb azz move on my part !
I find myself more interested in the grip. I have a Ruger Vaquero and the one thing I really, literally, _hate_ about it is the grip is simply way too narrow at the base. It's like they were trying to make it feel like a semi-auto. I can adjust to the Vaquero having only one hammer position, but that grip just feels completely "wrong"....
Damn son, all rounds were left of center! I'm yer spotter. Suggestion: Move the target to the left bout 3"😂 I had that same problem @ one time Gorgeous pistles!!!!! I like the Ruger much better! Careful dude, yer gonna shoot yer out. Great video!
*Constructive Criticism;* *1). Your only problem with reassembling the cylinder guide rod on either brand, was that you closed the loading gate first.* *2). Notice your accuracy when shooting left handed, during a steady trigger pull, was more centered.(?) that's because you're left eye dominant. (like me)* *You could (a) close your left eye while shooting right handed, (b) turn your head slightly to the left so as to lead with your right eye forward, (c) train your R eye to shoot dominant.* *Considering you're target shooting, and not in combat, or necessarily needing peripheral sight, I would just close my left eye.* *Thanks for showing the Taurus 1873 Colt SAA Clone. (I say [tore-us] lol)* 👍 *PS: I'm sure Ruger would take care of that front sight, if they become aware of it?*
Hey! Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. I am indeed left eye dominant and shoot with it but RH. I always assumed it was my trigger control that got me shooting off to the left. And yes, Ruger said they would fix it but stuck me with postage - lol. Thanks again!
@@DaGunGuy *Cool.* *Besides myself, you're probably the 5th, or 6th person I've helped out with this situation.* 👍 *And Ruger should have kissed you a$$, not only pay S&H, but sent you some MERCH to keep you as a happy customer, with nothing but good to say about them.* *You would think a front sight coming off should be a big deal for Ruger's CEO to get control of.*
Yaurus introduced a ssa close what like 25 ,20 years ago. Is this better or worse that that one. I know ruger improved on the vawuero because it was too big to be a legit colt ssa clone
In the finale of Fist Full of Dollars, Eastwood loads only one round and spins the cylinder, so only 1 chance in 6 that his gun will fire. Unless you assume he is so skilled that he can stop/time the spin to stop at 5 indexes. His opponent loads one round in a Winchester rifle, so 100% chance he is loaded.
Taurus owns Rossi and now Heritage. Heritage makes the Badlander shotgun, Rossi the 92 rifle. You can outfit yourself for Cowboy Action with all Taurus stuff.
If it shoots to point of aim I am in. I can get a brace of Tauri for the price of one Ruger. Gone are the days of Ruger being the poor man's gun. I do still want to get a Blackhawk though. Oddly they are cheaper than the fixed sight Vaquero.
The Taurus actually, at least for me, is more accurate than the Ruger. My Ruger shoots low, so I need my front site to be above my rear sites in my site picture to where I’m aiming. The problem is I don’t want to file down the front sites on the Ruger.
Everyones eyes are different but there are ways to 'adjust' guns with fixed sights... Colts did shoot high at close range. They were maybe regulated to shoot POA at about 30 yards. They point so well tho that Colt felt that anything less than about 15' you did not use the sights. I find this to be correct. my nightstand gun is a Uberti in 44 spl I can hip shoot cans at 10' pretty easy and point shoot out to 20 or more feet no problem.... sooooo night time... gonna be dark right? gonna need a gun that points well at short distance....Now my 1911's and other revolvers do point well and will do but I just love my Uberti 4.75" in 44 spl... call me old fashioned
The reason for the rod not coming all the way out is they are trying to keep all the loose nuts and others that i will not name from loosing their little rod thingy. We don't want them crying and trying to blame someone else for their reckless actions.
You said many times that the Ruger's quality was worth the price compared to this new Taurus. Keep us up to date on when the Taurus front sight falls out.
When that sight flew off, did you shelve it as a fail, I wouldn't trust the cylinder either... Cheap is not safe... no on Taurus for me, rather a black powder...
Shot number 2. They both shoot about an inch left of point of aim. I tend to always shoot left with new guns until I get used to the trigger so our cameraman John shot it too. He also shot left. Well post a video soon.
I will never buy another Taurus pistol. I purchased a new Taurus pistol, from a national sporting goods company, that had a fiber optic front sight. After about a month the fiber optic part of the sight fell out somewhere and I was unable to locate it. I contacted Taurus customer service to ask if they would send me another piece of the fiber optic that was used in the sight so that I could replace it. A week later they finally answered me back saying that I could go to their website and purchase a whole new sight assembly for $20. I wrote back explaining that the pistol was only a month old, and that I would replace the fiber optic strand myself if they would just send it to me. They sent me the same message back saying that I could purchase the whole new sight assembly for $20, which lead to my decision to not purchase another Taurus pistol again.
Gotta be honest, really would've preferred they don't engrave "deputy" on the barrel and went with some wooden grips rather than the more modern ones. Just seems weird to see black rubber on such a classic design.
It should be on half cock for dissassembly and reassembly, makes life alot more easy. great video.
Thank you for the compliment and advice. That was the first time for me taking a cylinder out of a clone or replica like this. The half cock makes it worlds easier!
Used to the ruger that drops the cylinder bolt when you open it. I spotted this right away. You will scratch the heck out of the cylinder with the bolt up. Also called a cylinder stop.
a lot is two words
@@guywhite6653 Not if you are from the South (U.S.)
I bought this Taurus Deputy 45 Colt this past month on sale at Turners Outdoorsman for under 500 bucks. Great gun!
Taurus made an earlir iteration in 2006 or so, called the 'Gaucho" Same action, same finishes. For some reason Taurus discontinued the Gaucho in 2009. I have one. Very slick and 2 lb. trigger. LOVE it1
I have 4 Gauchos. They were discontinued because the cross bars break and the bluing was crap. They do not support them with parts or service.
I used them and 4 ASM Colt clones, 1 Pietta and a Ruger Vaquero when I ran the show at the OK Corral. The Gauchos had the most problems.
I had a gaucho that went bact to taurus 3 times and never worked. I finally got rid of it in a multi-gun trade. Only bad taurus i ever had.
I also have a Gaucho that I bought around 2007 in 357. I have shot mainly 38 special in it and have had no problems with it. I love silky smooth hammer cocking of the gun. I have read several places that the guns chambered in 45 are the guns that have the problems. I seem to be lucky on getting trouble free guns. The ones I had the most problems with are my CZ 50's out of the 30 or so guns I own. They also made s pump action rifle at the same time for the CAS crowd. as the Gaucho was also aimed at the same market.
@@oldhifi8820 My Gaucho must have had an action job, the mechanics are like Teflon gliding on wet ice.
Mine too, and light to cock too. Smooth hot rod factory tuning!
I have been using my deputies for the past few months for SASS shooting. I did slick mine up with a wolf spring kit. I posted a video of it. I have always used Pietas but I’ll say with some tuning they are slick as any I used. The only draw back I have is I have big hands and the grips are small for me. Great video. Keep it up.
Hi! So grips are just like uberti clones? Small ones and pinky finger goes under grip? So in that case I still need to get piettas with 1860 army grips ...
I know there are some people that don’t like transfer bars they say they’re not original to it and so on. The fact of the matter is Samuel Colt made many changes and improvements to his original design. He just didn’t get to this one before he died. The people that say, you don’t need it are the same people that think that drum breaks are OK and we should’ve never went to disc on a car. And remember if you don’t like something, don’t buy it. Myself I would definitely like to be able to carry one more round safely.
Sam colt died in 1862.
@@markzimmerman7279 yes he did, and if he had lived longer, he would’ve changed the way the revolver that he invented or coinvented and improved on he would’ve improved on it more. The same reason we don’t make model ts things change for good or bad and mostly for the good. I don’t know anybody that would like riding around in Henry Ford‘s first car every day with no heat really bad brakes. Poor headlights now air conditioning on a transfer bar doesn’t affect how well the gun fires doesn’t affect the trigger. I’ve proven this to dozens of my friends given them and original single action cold and a new Ruger blindfolded them had them fire it they couldn’t tell the difference. The fact is and it’s a fact that a modern single action revolver is built better than the original single action Colts. Trust me every cowboy everybody in the military back in the day that carried an old one or a new one would pick the new one because it would be, a better choice to save their lives. Leslie, do I love my old sing actions absolutely absolutely if my life depends on one. I’m picking a new one with a transfer bar that holds six instead of five safely every single time.
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner most of them don’t need to be activated or deactivated. Some of the cheap ones have an external safety, but Ruger and Taurus. They’re all automatic nothing you have to do hammer back pull the trigger. Nothing else to do. Nothing to do it is just as fast and reliable as one without.
@@JohnHill-k6p uberti is the same way. Really good guns for the price
Ok .
Since you feel that way , Ruger , certain models of Pietta , a couple of discontinued , but still common , and probably a couple obscure ones I'm not remembering their action offhand , will be right up your alley .
Everything " new " doesn't instantly replace the previous technology , and some products hit a sweet spot and remain long term wide use .
But the extreme of your reasoning , when Colt introduced the New Model Army & Navy Revolver aka M1889 . they should have instantly discontinued the Model P .
Thank you for an exellent pesentation of the Taurus Deputy.
Glad you enjoyed it
Taurus generally makesgood guns at realistic prices. My Taurus Beretta clone just turned 25 with nary a bump
Agreed 💯. Never had an issue with mine either.
And ...The first release 1873 had a set screw for the base pin retainer. The second release 1879 was changed to a spring loaded base pin keeper . So the cylinder could be changed out quicker in the field, carbon build up on the front of the cylinder and forcing cone would slow up or stop the cylinder from turning . Taurus did a good job on a frist time release of the Model "P" Single action Army . Uberti makes one of the finest Reproduction you can buy for just a few more dollars . You would be shooting yourself in the foot to not look at the Uberti first. Also Cimarron and Taylor & company.
yep they call it the black powder frame these days which is... well.. lazy.. like saying 'long Colt' I have the Uberti clones and they are the 1st or 'bp' frame... with smokeless of course that is not an issue and I admit I like the looks better and also the bullseye ejector rod. This Taurus is just awful in my opinion... "polished black' ? you mean black paint finish? I want blue and color case but that is just me. On my percussion clones I have nickel plated em (anyone can do it) and I plate everything that is not wood or color case. I think they are very good looking and mostly historical and clean up better and more durable.
The spring loaded was introduced in 1896. Up til then.they all used the screw. Came along with the new modern smokeless powder versions of the calibers.
@@wesleyhalpern184 yep but there was no 'black powder' frame as such. and just having the spring release does not mean you have a gun meant for smokeless.
The frames are generally known also as either OM (old model, screw retention, round ejector rod knob, thinner front sight and the Pre War with push button release, smaller ejector knob and wider front sight. There are probably other differences. I have Ruger, Pietta and Uberti (and American company rebadged versions of the italian clones. EMF, Beretta, etc.). The Pietta made are 4 click hammers with no safety and have a better action than the Uberti made, but the Uberti are better finished/smoother edges and they have a version of a safety depending on when it was made and probably the importer specifications. The Ruger I have is the original Vaquero, large framed and a Bisley grip. It's a tank! I may try the Taurus in the future. SA clones are just neat guns. Then there are the Black Powder cartridge conversion guns...
@@willbar1961 The Ubertis I have are older ones with 4 clicks and a safety notch. they also had the odd cyl pin that had two positions which really just caused problems so I just ground em doiwn to one positiion.
I just wanted to know about the Taurus. SASS shooter since 81. These would be great to learn tricks with. Two best gunman I ever seen was Thel Reed and Jerry Lewis. Jerrys stand up act is unbelievable. If you've never seen him on stage with his six guns? it'll drop your jaw
4 clicks and a safety bar? Awesome. To bad they don't have the case color hardening.
According to Wyatt Earp himself, it didn't take him long to shorten the barrel of the Buntline to a more normal length. It was too unwieldy. This from the Stuart N. Lake book about Earp.
I have 3.5in Thunder 45s and to get the basepin out you swing the ejector rod out of the way to fully remove the basepin.
Looks like you're cross dominate like me, right handed but left master eye. I tend to print left of the aim too.
I went to pick mine up at my FFL today. The fit and finish was very nice, a great looking pistol. Bad thing is, the front sight was laying in the box. So I told the FFL to send it back.
Taurus has made great strides in materials and quality control, since it began...
They needed to. Judging by that sight flying offf, I'd say they still have a way to go.
bet your life on that?
@user-ub9xw8ro3y it was the vaqueros sight that flew off. Ffs
My Deputy arrived brand new with the front sight off the gun. Looked like a cold solder job.
Excellent informative video on the best Revolver ever made. Thanks
My Vaquero is from the first production series in .44 magnum with a 7.5 inch barrel. I got it in the mid 1990's. This does look like a good price and I may get one or two of them.
The cylinder gear needs to mesh with the hand that pushes the cylinder. Which is why you have to jiggle it around to get it to set right.
Lot of people don't like Taurus but I had a few of them they are good guns
Great vid. An important difference between the Ruger Vaquero and the other Colt clones is that the Ruger's cylinder spins both ways. Remember, don't use +P, ++P ammo in these guns, including the New Vaquero. The old Vaquero was much stouter and can handle heavy loads.
If you hand loaded, in.45 Colt, the Old vaqueros and Blackhawk single actions could be loaded to almost .rr magnum velocities and pressures, their frames are cylinders were that stout. I wouldn't advise it with a NEW Vaquero, though.
Yep +P or +P+ only in Ruger Super Blackhawks, Redhawks or Super Redhawks, Dan Wessons, or some stouter Taurus mdls.
Like how the sight blade isn't too tall like on many others. That should aid in elevation accuracy
Glad I clicked on this, great mini history lesson with Colt. I am halfway through this video, Although you are correct about them entering the market with this model, Lets not forget its predecessor the Taurus Gaucho which was a SAA which was a decent homage to the Colt original design.
Gauchos were junk.
Did not last and are not supported with parts or service.
I have 4 of them. They were cheap and worth it.
@@StephenEngdahl-mu9rr yep they left a lot to be desired, I had three. One that stayed at Taurus repair shop for almost a year until the replaced it with a 92 semi auto. They could not get the trigger assembly. The other two shot ok but i quickly got rid of them after the repair experience.
First time viewer I enjoyed your review I'm going to subscribe. I love my Vaquero but not my EAA Bounty Hunter. Bravo Zulu
Re. The $10 stuffed into a chamber.
Remember back then US currency was called a horse blanket.
Much larger than today's notes.
They were 3.125 inches by 7.375
So we did a video which we'll have coming up with a larger "bill" - actually a piece of paper cut to the right size. We could not get it in the 357 chamber without it jamming BUT the diameter of the 45 Colt would be bigger and it would have fit. If we folded it to reduce the length it would work in the 45 BUT you can see me jamming up a perfected good 357 revolver in the video.
And Black powder cartridges would gum up faster. Imagine digging that bill out to buy something and handing it to a cashier.
@@wawaweweb1811 my understanding is that if that bill is coming out of the gun the only thing anyone's digging is the gun owner's grave ;)
I learned that from my dad as a kid in late 1960's. I came across a well used wallet that was odd looking and oversized. So dad filled me in. Don't think I've ever handled one of those large notes.
Taurus had revolvers like this out before. I bought two Taurus Gauchos, years ago. One with a 5.5" barrel and one with a 7".
The Gauchos look a bit nicer. How did you like them?
@@DaGunGuy I like them. I take them to the range all the time and never had an issue. I don't know why they weren't popular.
@@DaGunGuy I have two Gauchos that I got from another SASS shooter when I was first starting out in the sport. They worked quite well for me until I could afford to upgrade to my Ubertis. I still have them for backups and in case someone I know wants to give CAS a try.
You made that second gun look really easy.
Taurus also sells it in a combination. Two cylinders, one in 45 LC, and one in 45 ACP.
I might have to pick that up..👍
Whoopie Freakin' DO!...What good is a cowboy gun for self-defense today?
Taurus once again, has had massive QC and SAFETY concerns with its standard product line.
Do you have a link that shows that Taurus offers that? I know Ruger offers Blackhawks with a conversion cylinder, but I have not seen any Taurus ones other than their double action models that have the quick change cylinder options.
@@robertkeller9828my boy😂 what are you even talking about. This 100% is not a gun meant for self defense. This is a gun to look at and take to the range. Maybe even go deer hunting with it. What’s with the hate on Taurus? They make affordable firearms and have amazing customer service compared to other platforms like Glock and sig. I personally can afford a higher class firearm but for a woods/boat gun can’t beat em.
@@robertkeller9828 who said it was for self defense? But while we're on the subject if someone was shooting one at you, would you stick around because they probably only had 5 .45 bullets to launch at you?
love the guns i have both the 357 and 45long colt thats the configuration it needs to be for shooting 👍
I have a very nice clone but it can't carry 6 safely and sometimes you just want something a little more practical so this is a good option
“Revolving Pistol.” It bothers me that strict nomenclature folks go after anyone calling a revolver a pistol. Billy the Kid was called the Prince of Pistoleers not Prince of Revolvereers. Gunfighters in the southwest were called Pistoleros not Revolveros.
There are also some interesting historical discussions about the loading, carrying, and safety of the colt SAA by plowboys ghost and 11bangbang.
I know what you mean.
Right. Pistols are pistols. The first were single shots, then revolvers, shell bangers, then autos etc. They're all pistols. And guns,handguns, sidearms,side-irons and so forth.
The so-called "strict nomenclature folks" are better known as Internet Commandos and there opinions are as noteworthy as their assholes!
Calling a Revolver a Pistol just feels absolutely wrong .
@@oolooo maybe it was just where I grew up. Out west in a community of ranchers and old homestead families. The word “handgun” wasn’t in use. Never heard of that word till later in life. “Pistol” was the generic catch all term used. If you wanted to be specific then you could say semi auto or revolver.
It’s kind of like how we used the word “coke” to mean all carbonated soft drinks. Just like the word pistol, I had to stop saying “coke” as a young adult because I started working with people from other parts of the country who would make fun of me. But that was the term we used back then. I had to adopt the word handgun just like I had to adopt the word soda, but these weren’t the terms that we used growing up.
It was just 45 Colt (long wasn't used) unit God said on to John Browning to create the 1911.
No wonder you're breaking things. You place the hammer on HALF COCK to remove the cylinder of an SAA, (except for a Ruger). That way the locking bolt is in the DOWN position and doesn't engage the bolt recess in the cylinder.
TY.
No abla
The guy is an A$$clown explaining chit he has no clue, let's be honest here. Another genius figured out how to earn on Utube Clicks.
Seems like i heard or read somewhere the money in the cylinder was for burial expenses.. but I'm not 100% sure on that
I like this gun something calls me to it
Hell yes
I heard the 4 clicks
I really like Taurus, but I have large hands. Taylor has many of us spoiled with adapting 1860 grips to their 1873 models. Hopefully Taurus will see their way clear to offer us Sasquatches this option as well🤠👍
Because of the transfer bar, the Deputy is a clone of the Colt Cowboy rather than the Colt Single Action Army. I like it.
First thing I thought (I like Taurus guns) is "I sure hope they didn't put a big billboard on the side of the barrel" and sure as schitt they did. Who is advising them? I mean, put your stamp on the gun for sure but put it under the barrel - and it's OK on the grip panels OK but don't put that modern font oversized stamp on the side of the barrel. It's probably a great revolver... but I promise you they lost probably 70% of the prospective buyers with that move. Thanks for the review!
Fun fact,according to US government inflation calculator 1873 $17 is $445.96 in 2024. And I figure the combination of 1873 Winchester and SAA in 44-40 was the true West winner.
You give me.
About a week working on the trigger mechanism and I'll have it running.Smooth as glass and we'll put that Ruger to shame I've done a lot of work on cowboy guns.
It's sort of my hobby hobby. I love to modify them so they work. Very well.
I've been doing it for a long time.
I guess you could work on the Ruger the same amount of time and it would still be better than the "worked" on Taurus, right ??
I own one of every model EAA Bounty Hunter all in .44 magnum and one Taylor's and Co Cattleman also in .44 mag. I really like them all. Maybe Taurus might make a .44 mag version. P.S. Bounty Hunters will take aftermarket & factory Colt spare parts.
I think I saw a video from shot show where the Taurus rep said the finish was polished nitride.
If true, that finish should wear like iron.
You might want to slide your trigger finger a little to the right and see if it corrects the left tendency point of impact.
I got Pietta years ago, Nickle flacked off the back of the cylinder and the hammer pin came out in the first 100 rds. It was a cheap gun. Still runs, allot of fun. A Colt SAA clone in 38/357 ,..Ruger would my choice if more than a plinker.
Please make this in stainless steel Taurus 😊
Look into Taurus's earlier entry to SAA with the Gaucho 45LC.
I bought a Deputy .45 Colt 5.5 " love it transfer bar safety great upgrade Cary 6 not 5 my serial was low 500 serial, it has become my everyday carry reliable and accurate and love .45LC and 45 ACP both knock them down and they don't get back up During Vietnam alot of Helecopter Piolets had SAA Colts in .45LC and carried their 1911 .45 Air Cav.
Awesome I like the Ruger better I have the Ruger Blackhawk 45 convertible very good very reliable
Hope your transfer bar never breaks when you NEED it! Had that happen to me once (luckily I was just target shooting). Was without the gun for over six months waiting for Ruger to get it back to me. At least they fixed it for free and paid shipping both ways. Sold those Rugers, went to Ubertis (Taylor made, but still made by Ubertis) and NEVER LOOKED BACK! I don't mind a Ruger double action (hell, TRY to find a double action without a transfer bar), but the only single action Ruger I'd ever buy again would be an old 3 screw that hadn't been changed over to the New Model action (Ruger offered to convert the old models at one time, and still MAY, I don't know).
The ORIGINAL Ruger Blackhawk has an action basically original to the first generation Colt, except Ruger used coil springs instead of leaf.
Like you, I really like the black finish. The other two minor objections, in my view, are just that, minor. Good shooting at the range!
Nice gun.
I have a ruger blackhawk for hunting. 45 colt.
Use some underwood ammo. Just a little under thr 44mag.
The taurus deputy looks very nice. It looks like it shoots a little to the left consistency.
The ruger Vaquero is really nice too.
Lol any excuses to buy a new gun works lol.
Have you fixed the ruger with new sights.
Well have fun and be safe doing it.
I'm thinking that since you opened the cylinder gate to disassemble it may be a good idea to have it open on the reassembly. Just a thought.
I think I'm going with a ruger for my own gun. Wonder if there's a way to put 4 clicks in a ruger just for the hell of it lol.
I always wondered! What would it be like to compare a Porsche to a Volkswagen Beetle?
I respect and admire the fact that you want to be historically accurate when speaking of western handguns. Our history is both glorious and sad at the same time. Many lives met their end because of the SAA handgun.
TY
Never heard about the 10$ bill deal. Cool!
, in the old days, outlaws and some lawmen, Heck Thomas among those, carried a $10 bill in the empty chamber of a .45 Colt, as "burying money," in case they didn't survive.
As a kid, I knew an old man named Lonnie Goodnight, he was my grandfather's friend, who has been best friends with Frank Earon, the original "Pistol Pete" the mascot for Oklahoma State University is a character of. He always has money in the chamber of his Colts. Lonnie said his uncle was Charles Goodnight, but I don't know if that was true or not.
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Im not a gun guy...
(and im sorry i have to say so much and explain, because i do have love for the saying of colts "cursed blessing". or however thats said.)
And so from the perspective of somebody that is probably even more obsolete than a single action.,...
man,
Please tell me you can change out that handle.
Im sure its a side note and still though, anything that allows a person to direct an explosion should not have plastic as a part of its make up.
(If nothing else just an opinion.)
Learning about the 4 ticks or clicks was a cool part in any case, This being the first place ive heard about that.
Its a tool, and truly a power tool if there ever was one.
And so thank you for the post, im glad your channel found its way to my "feed".
There are aftermarket grips available for the Deputy.
@@DaGunGuy
So I "updated" a part of my post where I wrote about "colts blessing or colts cursed blessing". I just wanted to say so you can tell me if you want me to pull that statement.
And in any case I'm glad to hear they at least have a different option and the piece is made with the ability to be simply disassembled and cleaned.
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And so once again, thank you for the post. And I'm glad to know that we still have a market for those tools that STILL have a positive association/reference for making the world a better place.
(For future generations, without getting into the arguments. I'll just erase my posts.)
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Absolutely appreciated and
...love forever whatsoever...
BTW, I wonder if a little Ballistol might smooth out that hammer.
Really interesting.
Is the 44-40 ammo still a thing? I haven't seen anyone shooting anything in that calibre on here ever...
Is there a substitute round used in those guns?
Looks like there are a few companies that still make a gun in 44-40 and you can still buy the ammo, so ...
The Ruger has been broken in is why it is smoother. I think it will run smoother after it has been broken in. Maybe not as smooth as the Ruger, but much smoother than brand new.
Thank you for responding, with the price. So would I be able to order one or two now, or are they on special order only now? Again thank you for responding.
It is Cavalry. Not Calvary.
And Bizzly, not Byezzly, and 4 3/4 inch barrel, not 4 1/2, and Ned Buntline had a little bit to do with the Colt Buntline, plus clones and variants from numerous manufacturers have been popular, having come and gone and back again for decades, in no small part due to the likes of the Ruger Bearcat and Single-Six during the TV Cowboy heydays as far back as the late 1940s.
...but that is more my OCD than a real complaint 😂
What is the connection of the Deputy to the Heritage Line of SAA which is owned by Taurus?
Sold my Ruger Vaquero, 45 Long Colt, 71/2 inch barrel ..............and to this day I do not know why, but what I do know is it was a dumb azz move on my part !
I know that feeling.
I find myself more interested in the grip. I have a Ruger Vaquero and the one thing I really, literally, _hate_ about it is the grip is simply way too narrow at the base. It's like they were trying to make it feel like a semi-auto. I can adjust to the Vaquero having only one hammer position, but that grip just feels completely "wrong"....
Sweet piece man 👍
Can I ask; did Ruger fix the front sight quickly and efficiently?
Still haven't got around to sending it out.
I like the deputy. The finish on it looks great. It looks like it's a nice little shooter to me.
I have a Bicentennial Vaginia Dragoon. 44 single action.
Virginia?
Damn son, all rounds were left of center!
I'm yer spotter.
Suggestion: Move the target to the left bout 3"😂
I had that same problem @ one time
Gorgeous pistles!!!!!
I like the Ruger much better!
Careful dude, yer gonna shoot yer out.
Great video!
Finally a solution for me shooting left! TY! ;)
*Constructive Criticism;*
*1). Your only problem with reassembling the cylinder guide rod on either brand, was that you closed the loading gate first.*
*2). Notice your accuracy when shooting left handed, during a steady trigger pull, was more centered.(?) that's because you're left eye dominant. (like me)*
*You could (a) close your left eye while shooting right handed, (b) turn your head slightly to the left so as to lead with your right eye forward, (c) train your R eye to shoot dominant.*
*Considering you're target shooting, and not in combat, or necessarily needing peripheral sight, I would just close my left eye.*
*Thanks for showing the Taurus 1873 Colt SAA Clone. (I say [tore-us] lol)* 👍
*PS: I'm sure Ruger would take care of that front sight, if they become aware of it?*
Hey! Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. I am indeed left eye dominant and shoot with it but RH. I always assumed it was my trigger control that got me shooting off to the left. And yes, Ruger said they would fix it but stuck me with postage - lol. Thanks again!
@@DaGunGuy *Cool.*
*Besides myself, you're probably the 5th, or 6th person I've helped out with this situation.* 👍
*And Ruger should have kissed you a$$, not only pay S&H, but sent you some MERCH to keep you as a happy customer, with nothing but good to say about them.*
*You would think a front sight coming off should be a big deal for Ruger's CEO to get control of.*
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Please do another vid after 6 months of SASS.
Yaurus introduced a ssa close what like 25 ,20 years ago. Is this better or worse that that one. I know ruger improved on the vawuero because it was too big to be a legit colt ssa clone
Can you get wooden replacement grips for the Deputy? I'm not crazy about the plastic grips.
It does look like there are after-market grips available.
It has been said with the long barrel revolver one uses a cross. drawer
The shorter barrel gunfighter was 4 3/4 inches long period.
Kevin Phoenix ✝️
In the finale of Fist Full of Dollars, Eastwood loads only one round and spins the cylinder, so only 1 chance in 6 that his gun will fire. Unless you assume he is so skilled that he can stop/time the spin to stop at 5 indexes. His opponent loads one round in a Winchester rifle, so 100% chance he is loaded.
Skin that smoke wagon and get to work, boy
Or are you just gonna stand there and bleed?
Well said!
WHY JOHNNY TYLER!
MAD CAP!
WHERE YA GOIN WITH THAT SHOT-GUN?
OH JOHNNY, I FORGOT YOU WERE THERE!
YOU MAY GO NOW!(in a dismissive tone!)
Buy the Uberti. I have 3 and they are flawles and beautiful.
Which Ubertis do you have?
I have the Taylor's-Tuned Uberti Smoke Wagon in .357 Magnum. You're not kidding in the quality. It's a beautiful and very slick-handling firearm.
Last couple of years the Uberti’s I have seen are just three clicks. No first click.
Thanks for making this video!
@@neilgreer6919
I got lucky. The tuned Smoke Wagon I bought used off a GunBroker seller a few years back is the old style. ;-)
This is one I must have
Just hope I don't go fishing anytime soon
Taurus owns Rossi and now Heritage. Heritage makes the Badlander shotgun, Rossi the 92 rifle. You can outfit yourself for Cowboy Action with all Taurus stuff.
I have 2 Rossi 92s. LOVE THEM! (But I do love my Stoeger coach guns too). So almost all Taurus.
Nice polished finish, like the 4 clicks with a transfer bar. Lose the silly logo engraving on the barrel, and I'll buy one.
The finish looks very nice, except on the hammer, which looks flat black and unpolished.
Do they make this in 9mm?
If it shoots to point of aim I am in. I can get a brace of Tauri for the price of one Ruger. Gone are the days of Ruger being the poor man's gun.
I do still want to get a Blackhawk though. Oddly they are cheaper than the fixed sight Vaquero.
The Taurus actually, at least for me, is more accurate than the Ruger. My Ruger shoots low, so I need my front site to be above my rear sites in my site picture to where I’m aiming. The problem is I don’t want to file down the front sites on the Ruger.
Everyones eyes are different but there are ways to 'adjust' guns with fixed sights... Colts did shoot high at close range. They were maybe regulated to shoot POA at about 30 yards. They point so well tho that Colt felt that anything less than about 15' you did not use the sights. I find this to be correct. my nightstand gun is a Uberti in 44 spl I can hip shoot cans at 10' pretty easy and point shoot out to 20 or more feet no problem.... sooooo night time... gonna be dark right? gonna need a gun that points well at short distance....Now my 1911's and other revolvers do point well and will do but I just love my Uberti 4.75" in 44 spl... call me old fashioned
Wait did you guys use The Call of Juarez game art for the thumbnail
The reason for the rod not coming all the way out is they are trying to keep all the loose nuts and others that i will not name from loosing their little rod thingy. We don't want them crying and trying to blame someone else for their reckless actions.
How do these compare to the taurus gaucho they sold about 20 years ago
I haven't ever shot a Gaucho, so no clue. But if anyone has, how do you think they line up.
You said many times that the Ruger's quality was worth the price compared to this new Taurus. Keep us up to date on when the Taurus front sight falls out.
Will do.
Took mine to the range 2 days ago and it performed brilliantly. So I have to disagree on what the hammer sounds like.
I’d tend to agree with you. It performed much better at the range than I thought it would. Shot very nice.
Mine shoot left about an inch from point of aim. Did you find that with yours?
What is the gap between the rear of the trigger guard and the frame good for?
I keep my chewing gum there when I don’t have room behind my ear
@@guaporeturns9472 ...after you removed it from your frontal lobe...
smashing large fingers that gap has honestly been a complaint for a lot of big handed shooters
Have you done a torture test?
When that sight flew off, did you shelve it as a fail, I wouldn't trust the cylinder either...
Cheap is not safe...
no on Taurus for me, rather a black powder...
The sight flew off on the Ruger - not the Taurus.
Everyone saying this is a first entry forgets the Taurus gaucho. Nice gun though it is more of a second model.
For a clone, why do they have to have the cylinder rod so long?
It might be much smoother, but the front sight will fly off.
it would appear
Either it's your shooting or the pistols sites. But that point of aim would bother me. I'm curious where number two shoots.
I’m pretty sure it’s my shooting but I’ll give number 2 a go and see.
Shot number 2. They both shoot about an inch left of point of aim. I tend to always shoot left with new guns until I get used to the trigger so our cameraman John shot it too. He also shot left. Well post a video soon.
I will never buy another Taurus pistol. I purchased a new Taurus pistol, from a national sporting goods company, that had a fiber optic front sight. After about a month the fiber optic part of the sight fell out somewhere and I was unable to locate it. I contacted Taurus customer service to ask if they would send me another piece of the fiber optic that was used in the sight so that I could replace it. A week later they finally answered me back saying that I could go to their website and purchase a whole new sight assembly for $20. I wrote back explaining that the pistol was only a month old, and that I would replace the fiber optic strand myself if they would just send it to me. They sent me the same message back saying that I could purchase the whole new sight assembly for $20, which lead to my decision to not purchase another Taurus pistol again.
I bet they don't mind if you don't ever buy another one...I wouldn't...
See ya front sight 🔫
Strip and Assemble...yuh a daisy if you do.
$17 for the gun then another $10 to plug up a hole and get caked in carbon? Man these cowboys just had money to burn even on $1 a day
Gotta be honest, really would've preferred they don't engrave "deputy" on the barrel and went with some wooden grips rather than the more modern ones. Just seems weird to see black rubber on such a classic design.