he's the oldest 16-year-old edgelord that for some reason is also the richest man on earth and sort of the shadow president, also he is a racist, he just wants to exploit migrant workers as well
This is the real conspiracy right here. If it was indeed a nazi salute would it make him a real gamer even though he paid someone to play for him? Or does being a fake gamer mean it can't have been a real nazi salute???
it wasn't a hitler salute... it was the harmless italian "my heart goes out to you!" gesture popularized by famous composer Benito Mussolini. i think...
You are right, leftists am I right? Always with their revisionist history, this posture was first popularized by Il Duce! Totally different, this changes everything!
I love how the world has become so insane that JREG is now making sense instead of being an ironic joker, and he's changed absolutely nothing about his content.
its true that it will not be identical to nazism, nor were the fascist countries of the past ever totally uniform at any point, but i do struggle with accepting the idea that we’ll ever see some sort of multiracial fascist coalition rise to power and persist while consistently maintaining its multiracial status. fascism’s inherent reliance on rabid nationalism & insistence on perpetually othering different groups of people makes it hard for me to see that sort of thing as sustainable, can’t shake the feeling that it’ll all just eat itself eventually, yknow?
the internet unfortunately rewards audacity both directly and indirectly. be audacious and some people will like you, and the people who hate you will make a path for more people to discover you. "evil" is winning cultural evolution it seems.
@@omnitone I don't know if this is internet specific and more of a human thing. If you think about people irl that you see or meet the wilder or more polarising ones are likely to stick out to you.
I think it was a dab but he realized it was 2025 and with quick thinking came to the conclusion the Nazi salute would have been the less embarrassing alternative.
one point in the "doing a little trolling" camp is that it's a very edgy 12-year-old thing to do, and we're talking about the guy who threw away brand recognition other executives would kill for for the letter X.
Pack it up guys, random TH-cam commenter knows how to run a business better than Elon Musk. This certainly concludes that musk was being an edgelord and not a spazz
@@satanic_rosa Because fascists idealize a glorious past. The italian fascists tried to establish the former glory of the roman empire, therefore it was heavily loaded with symbolism, sometimes attributed to Roman society after the fact. The "Roman salute" was one such symbolic gesture which had some resemblance to salutes being shown in roman paintings. The Nazis did a similar thing with the runes, among which we find the swastika. The meaning of runes has never been fully deciphered and the Nazis reimagined them as a symbol for an ancient germanic past. They were retroactively loaded up with esoteric meaning to support the nefarious mystic "german" identity. In that context it also helps to mention that a german (national) identity as such was unheard of till the 19th century after the fall of the holy roman empire.
Horrifying political implications aside, why are we infantilizing the world's richest person who has a direct tie to one of the most powerful political figures in the world? Whether he meant it or not, a 53 year old with that much power acting like a 14 year old 4chan user should bring universal distain.
You're only now discovering the phenomenon known as "eccentric billionaire"? It's been known for basically all of human history that the fabulously wealthy go silly with all that money and power. King Solomon had everything the world could offer, and he called it all vanity.
As an autistic person I have to say that autism is not tourettes. Some of the "autism arguments" seem to imply that. Also, it's an unreasonably high standard to expect full ideological fervor behind an ideological symbol. A lot of people use the hammer and sickle without being full on tankies, for example.
@@sinity8068Bipolarity is an even worse (ableist) argument than ASD. What would this be, depression or mania? And not a season, just a random singular moment? Most people don't care about these conditions in normal citizens, they're just willing to whip out anything from the DSM to protect a rich person they have a parasocial relationship with. No matter what pathologically "caused" it, that gesture was not acceptable.
Yeah like masking means that in a social setting if you need to stim but it might be a bit much for public, you do a different one that's more discreet
Jreg: "he's doing it to distract" he's doing it to distract us from the fact that his Elden Ring build is really bad, and that's the only stance i'm gonna have about this
@@12DAMDOnah bro the trading menu of that account was automatically set to Chinese 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 So unless bro played the game in Chinese server for some reason, he brought it off a Chinese gamer😂😂😂😂
Hearing JREG speak like a normal person and not exclusively in chronically online memes blows my mind a little. I didn’t know he was capable of such things.
As an autistic person, I greatly appreciate Jreg’s commitment to showing 4 to 5 graph-related memes per video. Nothing hits closer to home than seeing a bunch of little men plotted along a spectrum.
Literally. It's stressing me out a bit. I know I'm going to have to explain my disability to a stranger eventually and there's a good chance now they're going to associate me with this bullshit.
Reminds me of that furry episode in 100 ways to die Can't wait to explain to people that being on the spectrum means I don't like loud noises and not that I do the sieg heil
Call me paranoid, but take: - The fact that his autism is self diagnosed (even when he absolutely has resources and time to get a legit diagnosis) - The fact that he frecuently lies on the internet (the Path of Exile 2 and Diablo 4 thing would be decent, recent examples) - The fact that the far-right has been the last decade fetishizing high functioning autism to a weirdly disgusting degree (take Autism Speaks for example) - The fact that he has financial interests in the right overall finding him appealing (as he's clearly intending to use his ties to Trump to advance his career) - The fact that pretty much all of his symptoms could also be from a myriad of other neurological conditions, even when put together (some people have thought about NPD, which is a decent guess) It's just too much. If teenagers lie about this shit for mere attention, why wouldn't Musk do it for the sake of his career?
None of these are "facts" and to think he has financially benefitted from alienating his core customer base (liberals that care about the environment) is straight up comical.
@@theipc-twizzt2789 Oh well, TH-cam deleted that last answer. Cool stuff. Again, they very much are facts. You're free to prove otherwise. You're mixing up cause and effect, of course he isn't benefitting from tanking Tesla's worth. He has been alienating his customers, which is why he has financial interests in appealing to a new customer base. Besides, Trump's tariffs would greatly damage Tesla's main competitors in the EV market.
@@theipc-twizzt2789 This is the third time I'm writing this. Gotta love TH-cam. Again they very much are facts. You're free to prove otherwise. You're mixing up cause and effect. Musk already alienated Tesla's customer base, and he stands to recover profits from appealing to a new customer base. You also have to consider that if Trump follows through with his tariffs, Tesla's competitors in the EV market would get hit harder than Tesla themselves. In short he (and a good portion of the Silicon Valley tech market) truly stands to profit from involving themselves with Trump.
Evidence that his autism is self diagnosed? Let's just start with the first thing you said that I can't find any proof for and we can keep moving down the list. It'd be great if when you're making claims you would source in the future otherwise expect people to assume you're lying.
@@blobymcblobface "According to his biographer Walter Isaacson (2023), Musk was never diagnosed by a qualified mental health professional. He diagnosed himself. And Musk is not alone. He is part of a growing do-it-yourself trend: self-diagnosis." Stuart Vyse (2024) writing for Skeptical Inquirer.
I think it's worth noting that pro-Israel does not necessarily mean pro-Semitic, especially recently. In the same way that being anti-Israel does not mean anti-Semitic.
Yeah, that part of the video bothered me a bit. Some antisemites are actually pro-isreal because they don't want jews in their country/society, so a jewish ethnostate actually benefits their goals.
How can he be a political commentator and not know that pro-Israel vs anti-Israel is one of the biggest rifts among modern neo-Nazis? Hard to take seriously...
If someone you always liked the views of turned out to be on the spectrum, and people said they should be purged over a disability... Reminds me of Germany at some point in history, trying to remember what that word is called...
Im autistic yet Im not dumb enough to accidentally even do this. Raise my hand up and wave? Sure! Placing my hand in my chest and then, with vigor, swinging it out? Youve got to be a special kind of moron to do that accidentally. If Musk didnt do it on purpose, it still shows that this isnt the kind of guy you really ought to do business with... Also, check out what Grimes has to say about this guy
I’m autistic and I agree with you. He didn’t accidentally do a Nazi salute, and if Nazi salute is part of regular stimming then he has more serious problems
You missed the post-truth firehose of falsehoods argument. Like the Greenland discourse, he saluted on purpose, but with enough plausible deniability, to pit people against one another and destabilise the discourse. Jreg, it's time for your meta-politics era.
Elon is not that smart lmao. If the guy can fuck up pretending to own a video game account then he definitely doesn't have the wit to stage such a subtle plan.
@@dally1398because it’s the exact same circus act. Are they joking? If they aren’t, they’re just going after their goals, if they are, they get to make the other guys look like idiots for being so concerned over something that was so clearly a joke.
I genuinely don't see a drop of plausible deniability, and I don't know why anyone does. The whole ten seconds of body language is perfectly clearly dripping with intent.
You said it in so many fewer words than I was trying. It doesn't matter if he admits it or knows it or not, he literally is that. He does all the important bad things. He doesn't see the full picture that is crucial to not destroying things casually. He literally is the thing that makes people Nazis in the way that matters.
It's literal 4chan shit, nothing to do with anything from 1940s Germany directly. IMO it's the same playbook as the rest of the 'hiding your power level' stuff.
I personally don’t think that he is 100% gas chamber level antisemite but any support for foreigners entering America from him is based on how he can use them as cheap labor. His profits are his number one motivation. However, I feel it is fair to say that he very much believes in the idea that one country should be for one group of people and they should have as few minorities as possible, so long as again it doesn’t hurt his profits. For instance recently at his appearance at the AFD rally he took a stab at multiculturalism and gave the common dogwhistles of “German values” and “you shouldn’t be ashamed of being German”. That would also explain his support for Israel, as Israel both is a major market for his products and provide the Jews with one state meaning America doesn’t need to hold as many of them as a minority group. Again, this is all my interpretation of his viewpoint. Taking this into consideration, I think he did it on purpose, partially to appease the more radical Republican base and partially as an edgy way to give the middle finger to “woke inc” while still having plausible deniability.
He did it to appease his "supporters" who got rightfully angry about his h-one-bee outburst. The only convictions musk holds is that his money and power should increase, everyone and everything else is a stepping stone.
@@Recreationaltrespasser I think this is the part that is just astonishingly overlooked. Weird how much horseshit flooded the space after they got pushback on their stance on H1B visas
I still believe that he wanted to do it in a more subtle way, to make a dogwhistle that'll get some people happy and some people arguing, and for him to have plausible deniability, but that he accidentally did the salute too clearly and messed his plan up.
I don't know. He seems way too giddy when doing it for it to even make for a believable failure of a dog whistle. He's snickering like a 6-year old after saying a slur to an adult for the first time, which is not too far removed from what he is doing. I am leaning towards him being: Autistic, probably not the H-man's top guy, but wouldn't mind Henry Fording it if H-man made a comeback.
Nah bro I seen plenty of Germans do that in Germany no one arrests them. I seen your AFD polls, I heard what you guys think of Gypsies, you ain’t fooling me.
Exactly, and the reasoning why it's criminalised in Germany is what JREG explains here. It doesn't even matter whether you do a Nazi salute out of personal conviction, it will still serve as a rallying cry to the worst elements of society. The fact that this fundamental truth is being eroded, especially in the US but also in Germany, is very worrying.
Something I've heard nobody mention is that the crowd cheers as soon as he does it, before he says "my heart goes out to you". Whether he meant it or not, the people in the audience cheered for it.
@@maxkore278 nah it was pretty obviously a nazi salute to anyone who's taken a history class. Me and my mom saw it live and both went "oh shit" the second he did it. My mom is apolitical and she knew. It's not just these "everyone i disagree with is a nazi" people. Anyone with the most basic knowledge on history recognized this in a second.
It was actually a mildly talented Austrian painter salute. They do it while grasping recently washed brushes in order to wash them, with the palette on the other hand.
It's been shifting over the past year. And I think this moment pushed him over the top. He looks like a little boy who got away with something realizing he can now do it with impunity.
You wanna know how I got these quirks? When I was a kid, my father-my father-took me aside and said, “Son, someday you’ll grow out of this… this autism thing.” And for a while? I believed him. Oh, I did. But you see… my father was a gamer. He’d rage-quit Halo and then tell me life was just like that-“Git gud” and all that. I thought maybe… maybe there was some secret level I’d unlock. But no matter how hard I tried, the hyperfixations was permanent. The awkward social moments, eternal. My need to organize everything? It’s my superpower. So one day, doing my father's... gaming. I walked into the living room, just, as, he... was about to rage-quit, and I told him, “Dad, I’m not growing out of this.” He looked at me, his eyes narrowing, and he said, “WHY SO AUTISTIC, SON?” He grabbed the hot ironing out of my mother's hand, then he grabbed me, and said... "LET'S START YOUR MEWING SESSION" So... Why so autistic?
9:42 black voters, both male and female, were still majority democrat by a large margin (men 75%, women 90%, taken from PBS). Latino voters, which are about the same population as black voters, did shift roughly to a 50-50 split. This was caused by the Democratic Party being incredibly shit at their jobs. It is also important to keep in mind that voter turnout may not represent public opinion within these groups.
@@triv2n "the Dems lost because they didn't campaign well enough/the way I'd like." Sure, let's blame them for this outcome instead of the rampant wh!te supremecy and media environment endemic with misinformation. edit: that's basically my appraisal-that the people saying the Dems lost because the Dems are shit, all of those people are in denial about these endemic problems.
that's so true, nobody cares whether he intended it to be the based salute or not, if anything he's lost integrity now that he's claiming it wasn't one.
You don't have to be far-right to like your country's values and think that multiculturalism has failed. Or maybe you do, in which case, call me far-right please!
The idea that the nazi salute dates back to the roman empire is a falsehood that was originally perpetrated by the Partito Nazionale Fascista. Mussolini was obsessed with the idea of "making italy great again" to the point of idolatrizing roman symbols and the imperial aesthetic. There is no actual solid proof that shows that beyond reasonable doubt that was a widespread and common way to salute in roman imperial times. The idea this was the case and the act of the fascist salute (because let me remind you a LOT of nazi ideas, methods, and aesthetic was copied from fascist italy and fascist propaganda) were probably inspired by a famous painting: Oath of the Horatii, by Jacques-Louis David. In the painting three roman soldiers are seen taking an oath reaching with their right arm to the swords they are going to carry in battle. So yeah, always remember that fascisms are opportunistic by nature and that basically everything they say is a lie on some level, even the things that seem likely to be true.
Yes we are because a week before that he said that white people were lazy and useless and we should be replaced with Indians. Every actual Nazi on Earth basically vomitted and threatened to kill him after that.
from my perspective, it matters a lot if the nazi salute was intentional. I mean if it was intentional, then he is a nazi or loves pretending to be a nazi and he is bffs with the president! just from a "predicting future events" perspective, it matters. Plus, if he'd said "heil hitler" on that stage, I think the public outcry definitely would have been a lot more urgent. People on the internet, myself concluded, can speculate as to Elon's intentions, but clearly the ambiguity is benefiting the common sense (though I think very possibly untrue) assumption that the richest guy on earth didn't turn out to be a neo-nazi. Tweets and public outcry are a form of performance, and the performance is different because Elon Musk may, in fact, not be a nazi
(for the record, I do think there's a good chance he did it as a media stunt. I'm not 100% on it, but I genuinely do think the man is insane. And besides, it's not so foolish a move. If you want to simultaneously please far right people in your community AND drum up a huge amount of press AND make out liberals to be foolish and irrational to your conservative audience, it's not such a bad way to do it.)
I agree that this discussion is only really possible if it isn't conclusive, but I disagree that it matters a lot. The sheer weight he has in current culture/politics is enough for it to have impact even if eas a genuine nervous tic/faux pas. Especially if he reacts to push back the way he has in the past, or JK Rawling did, and becomes more comfortable with new forms of fascism adjacent to Nazism as result of this. Love your videos by the way.
@@MrMrprofessor12345 Thank you! And I mean look, this did have a huge impact, regardless of whether or not it was intentional. But I think we all intuitively understand that the reaction would have been perhaps ten thousand times more huge, had Elon Musk done a Nazi thing that almost everybody agreed was a Nazi thing. What would the ADL have done? What would Trump have done? It would be an inflection point in the history of the world, I believe.
Guys he’s not a nazi! He just has Aspergers Syndrome. I was diagnosed because I literally couldn’t handle myself and did that “my heart goes out to you” gesture constantly!
Fascism does not have to be focused on one race/etnicity indeed as shown by the Estado Novo in Portugal (who were very pro-racemixing) Fascism is fluid enough to fit whatever culture or people
Really? As a Portuguese person, from what I learned in school and from my grandparents, who moved to Angola due to the fascist regime before coming back after the revolution, while officialy Portugal was in favour of considering the "overseas territories" (colonies) as part of the territory, and their people portuguese people regadless of race, it was an emperialistic thing made to keep the colonies in a world that was increasingly decolonising. Up to the later years of the regime, portuguese people were officially categorised as first class (born in continental portugal, i suppose), second class (born in the colonies to parents who migrated there, I think) and third class (I'm not sure exactly what the defining criteria is, but going by logic it should be people born in the colonies with parents from the colonies). Anyway, the point that fascist or authoritarian regimes adapt to culture and circunstances still stands.
thank you lmao. So many people just IMMEDIATELY assume fascism is just a "privileged white guys" ideology but god damn, reading on the so many other fascists or far rightists other than Hitler and Mussolini would prove that wrong. (And also try and really read in how each country developed each of their laws throughout the pre-war and war periods, because surprisingly enough, if the singular big guy in the continent is invading left right and center, you might want to befriend them to some degree)
As a Portuguese person that has studied our history for a good while, the Estado Novo wasn't a fascist regime, he hated every form of fascism, nazism and falangism and their ideals, he described fascism as "pagan caesarism", was publicly anti-fascist and jailed many national syndicalists (far right people of the time) just as he jailed the communists. Most people today try to associate every single dictatorship with either fascism or communism, that's not how it works, Salazar despised both and his dictatorship was neither, he was a conservative dictator that wanted to fix the problems he saw in Portugal during his entire life, he didn't necessarily stick himself in either camp. There was censorship and political imprisonment, but that's a trait of a dictatorship, not a trait of fascism, and keep in mind that, while he probably saw those as necessary to keep the stability of the state, the number of political prisoners for example was slowly reduced over time compared to the first portuguese republic (it had harsher censorship and political imprisonments than salazar's regime). So basically, Salazar wasn't a fascist, he hated fascism, he hated their ideals, and his dictatorship has a much smaller inspiration of fascist ideals than nazism and falangism, he was just a man who lived his entire early adult life in a very oppressing and unstable first republic, and wanted to change his country, he never lived a wealthy lifestyle, and yes he did do a lot of bad things, but people tend to call him every name on the book modernly to try and make him look worse, while during the Estado Novo he was wrongly hailed as hero, nowadays he is wrongly framed as a demon.
Ah, interesting to see how Portugese people look at the Estado Novo. I was always thought it was “close enough” to fascism. Considering it was a corporatist, nationalist and authoritarian state, but I can see how the lack of intense involvement in daily life makes it less so.
Sunday Update: Elon Musk spoke at an AfD campaign event on Saturday, the AfD being a far-right German political party. "“Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great-grandparents...There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that." The event is 2 days before the International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Hmmm
Fascism was specifically designed to be applicable to any country. It was meant to sweep across all nations and cultures, it wasn't just for Italians. There are five keys of fascism, most of them about the totalitarian and all-consuming nature of the state. If an ideology has all of these, it is fascist, otherwise it's not. Thanks to this, it's possible to force fascism nearly anywhere. I liked Pilgrim Pass' video on it th-cam.com/video/qYBM7cO-D4M/w-d-xo.html
Fascism wasn't 'designed'. It was a name attributed to a slew of nationalist movements that grew out of Ww1 and influenced by 19th century nationalism. The word Fascism does come from Italy though, and they were the only ones to actually call themselves fascist.
Wrong wrong wrong! THE core tenet of fascism is ethnic/racial unity. Literally fascism was made by taking socialism, but rejecting proletariat unity in favor of national/ethnic unity with class cooperation. You actually have it backwards: authoritarianism is not a tenet of fascism at all. Fascism was defined as a Worldview, not an ideology. The fascist powers of Europe chose mixed market economics and authoritarianism as their ideology because of their specific situation, but nothing about fascism as Worldview would be inherently contradictory with a libertarian republic or an outright communist state. Most modern neo-fascists aren't actually authoritarians at all, they advocate for more of an aristocratic liberty style where the central state has very little power but a big group of (biological, not monetary) elites can run everything as they please.
@@lectivalzahard8533 The Germans were mainly focused on the Germans, as is natural. At the time the only significant populations in Europe that the Germans would consider a different race were the Jews and Gypsies. They did make propaganda posters about how Africans might overwhelm Europe though, especially in France.
How did youtube allow you to post a link to a video? I thought youtube automatically hides comments with links. Also pilgrim pass is more of a right leaning creator so probably not a good recommendation under this video.
I think it was a half hearted “I know I can’t do it, but I want to do it” but I think he does like Hitler but more for his style and being “based and epic” But he is less of a nazi and more mentally Homelander
You think about the situation rationally and be like, yeah kinda don't make sense for him to do that, he really kinda does weird stuff all the time so this could possibly be just be an genuine mistake. But then you watch the video to check again and nah.... he just did the thing there's no mistake.
"Did he mean it?" -- ...Maybe. Possibly even probably. "Does it matter?" -- Yes, and no. Yes because he has a lot of power so if he meant it, that's VERY BAD NEWS. No because even if he didn't mean it: If people critical of fascism saw it as a fascist salute then surely many _supportive_ of fascism saw it the same way. And they will feel validated, even empowered...And that is VERY BAD NEWS.
Fundamentally, you are responsible for how people receive your words/actions (so long as they're being vaguely reasonable in their interpretation). A reasonable person could absolutely take what Musk did as a Nazi salute, so even if he didn't mean it, he's as responsible for it as if he did. I don't think Musk is a Nazi, however I definitely think he's an idiot for doing something which can so easily be interpreted that way, especially considering how long he's been in the public eye for - he should have known better
The people supportive of fascism did NOT see it as a Nazi salute. [They] are all still stuck on the H1B thing. Elon Musk could start calling for death to the Jews and the Nazis still wouldn't like him.
Its important to remember the difference between Israel and Judaism. Israel has applauded some neo-nazi movements for attacking it's enemies, and has also engaged in Holocaust revisionism.
So weird to see this comment so far down. Jreg himself once made a video about all the different ideologies and made a gag about fascism and zionisn being right next to each other. And to add to what you said: not only are there plenty of zionisists who flirt with nazis but there are also nazis who love zionism because it means jewish people leaving their country and going to israel instead
@ Zionists won't be flirting with Nazis, since genuine Nazis actually want to kill jews. You have a bunch of right wingers you hate and you call nazis, but that doesn't mean we "flirt with nazis".
the things that pushed me over the fence to "oh he's def a fascist" was like said, the double heil and the fact he has done next to nothing to condemn the flood of "yay fascism" he's gotten, all he's done since has clearly been just testing the waters of it instead. And lastly realising where he grew up in south Africa at the time he was a teenager lol
As an autistic person who practiced various ways to move out of gestures with my right hand so that I'd never look like that, I think that we need to critically revisit the idea of him actually being autistic in the first place. There's a repeated pattern of him being naïve about what is actually needed to live with the difficulties he claims or others claim for him. Edit: added the words "critically" and "in the first place" for clarity.
theres a clip of him doing the usual gesture people do when doing the my heart goes out to you. plus he has never shown to have an issue like this with tics before?
I would consider this possibility more if it weren't for A: the fact that he did it twice: B: the fact that he responded to the backlash by making nazi puns on twitter; and C: the fact that he followed this all up by speaking at a rally for the german neo-nazi party AFD, who he has had strong affiliations with previously. It's not just the salute, it's the fact that he is riding the discourse around the salute to fully endear himself to western fascists who thanks to his money will have a better shot than ever at getting elected. Nazis themselves are not debating this at all, it is entirely in line with musk's statements previously which have full throatedly spouted nazi theory to such an extent that he seems well versed on the subject. If this was 8 years ago, I might give him more grace. Not now. He is being very clear about his intentions and he knows he's untouchable.
These are all pointless arguments when you find out he is infact giving his money, advocacy, and time to the AfD far-right Neo-Nz party in Germany, among others and that yes, his family where members of both the Apartheid and the Canadian Nz party. Yes he meant it, yes it matters, yes there are more important signs and indicators we should focus on but aren't for some reason.
An important detail about the "He may as well have" point you made is how that isn't just an "at that moment" thing, it's a fully continuous thing. He could easily CHANGE how it's interpreted by giving a clear stance or apology or anything, but he insists on being a freakin weirdo about it. That's a big part of why he may as well have.
Very excited for your video on post-racial fascism, I think it would be very valuable for people to come back to thinking about fascism as more than just something to call people you don't like or to associate with the aesthetics of Nazis but a instead as a real set of ideologies that is growing in popularity and can come in way more forms than the ones Westerners use as the baddies in their origin myths.
So dictatorship without racism is not sure you can call it fascist .But then again fascism has not been clear ideology it just whatever mussolini thought of to gain power .
absolutely lost it at "let's say you're autistic, you're throwin out a seig heil once in a while" 😂😂😂 the delivery, the absurdity, the rhyme 💀 (5:46 for the timestamp-thirsty)
I think it was done mainly for media outrage. The German far right party AfD, the one he interviewed, does this all the time. The most famous case is when their most controversial figure, Björn Höcke, said "Alles für Deutschland", translating to "Everything for Germany" in a speech. This line is a parole used by the Nazis, but a lesser known one which most people had forgotten before this incident. The line is also conveniently not as extrem as other ones of their paroles. As this Nazi parole is banned by the German constitution, he was fined by a judge, he claimed he didnt know it was a parole (even though he was a history teacher) and boom free publicity. Maybe after his interview with Alice Weidel, the partys leader, he took some pages out of their book.
"It is thanks to you that civilization is assured" Nobody seems to have paid attention to that next line which sounds like a confirmation to anyone who knows the slightest bit about nazi rhetoric. There's just too much there to pretend it is not what it is.
The Roman saulte, also, was never a thing romans did. It was a theatre thing that fascists in Italy stole in the early 1900s. Since then its been a fascist symbol. Its why the Belamy Saulte changed for the American National Anthem - because it was identical to the Nazi saulte.
Dude has been in the spotlight for multiple decades at this point. If he still hasn't figured out that such a salute is not ok, then maybe he shouldn't be in a public position
I have autism (unironically) and I am genuinely upset with all of this, specially because regardless of what he did or not, we should be left out of this. Although I am into politics, I don't think autism as a whole should be tied to a specific political figure or group. (Whether it is Right, Left or any other) Those on spectrum that wish (and are capable to) engage in politics should be allowed to do so, but of course with all the necessary care. Still, it shouldn't be an obligation, but a personal choice.
Autism isn't even really that relevant to politics anyway. There are autistic people on the left, right, and center of the political spectrum and therefore trying to say "oh this famous X party member is autistic" or "autistic people tend to vote X" is pointless.
@@headphonesaxolotl I think what is actually important is that conservatives dislike weird things and weird people, and autistic people tend to be viewed as weird. While the left embraces weirdness and accepts people's eccentricities. Looking at which one autistic people tend to like more isn't that useful, but if you break down which one is better for autistic people on a societal level, the left is clearly better for societal acceptance of autistic people. The right is only associated with autistics insofar as the fact that many right wingers are no-lifes who are on the internet all day, which is also what a lot of autistic people do. This isn't really healthy for autistic people. The left is more in favor of being openly weird and making friends with similar weird people. The left is more accepting of therapy. The right instead favors repression and trying to act normal, which should remind one of how autistic people mask. And studies clearly show that masking is bad for autistic people in the long run.
@@headphonesaxolotl It certainly is? Everything the right stands for ends up being harmful to autistics in the long run. While the left is in favor of being openly weird and just accepting one another.
@@headphonesaxolotl My comment keeps being deleted. I'm trying to say that the right clearly does not have ASD people's interests in mind, while the left does.
That's the thing: he didn't. He had plausible deniability. I'm sure he felt thrilled and powerful for doing it in front of so many eyes and knowing that he could get away with it. Trump won, so he won, and that was his celebration.
The thing about dog-whistles is that you can let extremists know your stance while still having a smidge of plausible deniability that you can use with the people who are criticizing you. My parents hate Elon Musk, and yet they don´t think he was doing a salute. They are of the opinion that he was overenthusiastically gesturing that he is giving out his heart. And I am not sure if this even did much harm to his reputation. My guess is that a huge chunk of the people criticizing him already didn´t like him.
Harm to his brand? My guy, he's the richest most powerful man in the world AND the president despite everything, he doesnt have to hide anything any more. Just google Musk and the AfD party in germany... or his grandparents...
"He may as well have" is an echo to the "Perception is reality" which the same reason why you avoid hitting on subordinates or being perceived as doing so, because everyone will then behave as if you are. They will resent not getting things from you, or behave in a way to draw or avoid your attention to maximize things they want from you. It was the same thing as the "stand by and stand down" which in hindsight considering those groups did show up and storm the capital seems hard to say they didn't listen to him.
I want to say a few things. I think Elon is a manchild, and he did the salute because he wanted to have the center of attention. He really wanted to make himself important and get the media talking about him. Also, just notice the way he throws himself into the salute. He had the expression as a teenager who wanted to make an edgy joke but felt embarrassed so he just threw himself into it so he couldn't rethink it. Also, I know a lot of autistic people and have ADHD (which can be very similar) and none of my friends just throw out a sig heil as their stim. Most ways of stimming is like bouncing your leg or flapping your hand. Saying he did it because he is autistic is straight up offensive to most autistic people. Sure, he didn't do the salute well, but he did do it.
Don't know about "post-racial fascism" being a proper thing at the moment, though it does seem like there is an ongoing re-drawing of the boundaries of what it means to be "white" in the USA. Many years ago, Italian migrants to the USA struggled for full acceptance despite being European, yet today few would question the "whiteness" of Italians. Similarly, migrants from South and Central America to the USA are currently the focus of an immigration panic, but in recent notable cases the owners of racist social media accounts have been found to be of South or Central American descent.
Well a lot of that had to do with the fact that Italians are catholic, which separated them from the vast majority of Americans at that time. Its the same reason that people were tenuous about Irish people being allowed to become American, they both had a different cultural and religous tradition and behaved differently and prioritized different things. Same was an issue with accepting poles, same reason. Its not that these people are not europeans or not white and they didn't see it that way at the time, they were just different than everyone else... and really since then, America has totally changed culturally since then. If you look at many of the political movements since then, many had catholics involved in leadership roles. So, if you look at it from their perspective at that time, they were entirely reasonable to feel that way and were kind of proven right (among many other causes for change) Plus in regards to central and south Americans ethnicity. There are many people that are basically 100% white european that live there. Everyone is not the same ethnicity there. Its really relatively segregated there naturally like in most other places. There are regions, neighborhoods, etc, where most people are mostly white European and other areas where people are not. So just because someone comes from central or south America, does not mean that they are necessarily not white/european.
There were and are a lot of scientific (and "scientific") papers on that in the USA. The same thing you have mentioned were true of Irish and even Slavic (for example Polish) migrants, and how they "became white" (there was a whole thing about British using racial pseudoscience against Irish back in the days too). It always makes me laugh how "Brown and Black" in US corpospeech nowadays include... Latino people. Obama was brown (Mulato, IIRC 50% or less black), AoC isn't lol. It seems there is a lot of benefit in defining yourself out of whiteness lol
@haydencapps certainly anti-catholicism played a role in bigotry against Italian migrants, but not the only role. As largely "urban proletariat", Catholics in the USA naturally gravitated towards political movements that favoured labour, though the social conservatism of some has now led them to join the Republican Party in large numbers (see all recent conservative appointments to the supreme court). In the UK we had a lot of imported Irish labour in the 19th Century, and Irish workers were treated with what could now only be thought of as a species of racism, quite apart from the religious question. Of course, Ireland is now understood as a "white" country. As for Spanish speakers in the USA gravitating towards fascism without being "white" even in the South American sense, look no further than the so-called "Proud Boys".
The timeline shift post Harambe has been nothing short of madness. We're at the part in the comics where mfs start falling into vats of electric eels. Dunk Luigi into the eels.
One thing I don't think people are taking into account as another factor was that he was probably high as balls on like ketamine or something when he went up. After he came down from the high, he probably realized he fucked up so has just been trying to do damage control ever since. There's been this clip of him the background of an interview or something from earlier in the day, where his eyes were rolling into his head looking very much not there.
Personally I think it was just for online attention, nobody who's already supporting Elon musk is going to be put off by this and now the media is giving him more attention
It's funny that you used the picture of him and Shapiro at Auschwitz. Someone that was there wrote a scathing post about his inappropriate behavior there.
Nazi, Autistic or Just Trolling? My favorite gameshow.
Why not all three?
All we know for sure is he's smarter than all of us after all he tricked people into actually getting mad about this lol 😂
He said “my heart goes out to you” so probably that gesture. I think the only reason people thought it was sus was because of how sudden it was.
he's the oldest 16-year-old edgelord that for some reason is also the richest man on earth and sort of the shadow president, also he is a racist, he just wants to exploit migrant workers as well
You forgot "higher than Hitler after a vitamin shot."
And people thought he was a fake gamer
^^^certified gamer confirmed.
This is the real conspiracy right here. If it was indeed a nazi salute would it make him a real gamer even though he paid someone to play for him? Or does being a fake gamer mean it can't have been a real nazi salute???
He's a gamer in spirit at least.
@@dunkelheit5055 Elon is a cheater or at least a liar in spirit.
He's the dude with the .5 k/d throwing hard r's.
it wasn't a hitler salute... it was the harmless italian "my heart goes out to you!" gesture popularized by famous composer Benito Mussolini. i think...
You are right, leftists am I right? Always with their revisionist history, this posture was first popularized by Il Duce! Totally different, this changes everything!
famous Italian chef*
It was a hitlergruß. But what do I know, I'm just some dude from germany.
@@mrpeacecraft I'm not sure if you're ignoring the joke ironically or not, but if not, maybe look up who Mussolini was.
@@mrpeacecraft stop lying you aint german jude
I love how the world has become so insane that JREG is now making sense instead of being an ironic joker, and he's changed absolutely nothing about his content.
We have arrived in the Singularity.
The shadow president did a Roman salute and no one bets an eye!
the centricide is real
Jreg has definetly changed his content over time. He has made an active choice to stop being as irony poisened because of the 2mad stuff
Yeah I don’t know what OP was saying but the message couldn’t be less true, JREG is being serious here and tbh, it needs to be said.
Unironically good point that fascism has shifted and changed and we cannot expect it to be identical to the Nazi regime
That's not a good point, that is literally the academic consensus on the matter.
@ It's such a good point that it is literally academic consensus lmao
It never was identical to the Nazi regime. Even Italian fascism has some fair differences in the day.
@@fen3311 The Italian faccists themselves weren't very anti-semtic. They just wanted to stay on the Nazi's good side.
its true that it will not be identical to nazism, nor were the fascist countries of the past ever totally uniform at any point, but i do struggle with accepting the idea that we’ll ever see some sort of multiracial fascist coalition rise to power and persist while consistently maintaining its multiracial status. fascism’s inherent reliance on rabid nationalism & insistence on perpetually othering different groups of people makes it hard for me to see that sort of thing as sustainable, can’t shake the feeling that it’ll all just eat itself eventually, yknow?
He did it twice because chad wojak memes conditioned him to think that doubling down is always the best option
the internet unfortunately rewards audacity both directly and indirectly. be audacious and some people will like you, and the people who hate you will make a path for more people to discover you. "evil" is winning cultural evolution it seems.
this is actually deadass what happened
@ would you rather do nothing? i feel like conditioning people to shut up and be quiet isn't good either
So what? You malding about it?
@@omnitone I don't know if this is internet specific and more of a human thing. If you think about people irl that you see or meet the wilder or more polarising ones are likely to stick out to you.
I think it was a dab but he realized it was 2025 and with quick thinking came to the conclusion the Nazi salute would have been the less embarrassing alternative.
Exactly 💯
I unironically thought the same thing. Almost like he dreaded grinding those aura points back, lmao.
Lmfao
How did you get a dab from that?
@@francesthepossum1812 You should work on your reading comprehension.
Its a smokebomb to distract from getting caught employing people to play PoE2 for him.
It was his way of proving that the haters are wrong and he is a real gamer
He's definitely conceited enough to prioritise his fake gamer status tbh
Everything he does is a smokebomb to distract from his dad marrying his stepdaughter.
@@normalmighty the gamer salute, if you will
And the things in the air 👀
one point in the "doing a little trolling" camp is that it's a very edgy 12-year-old thing to do, and we're talking about the guy who threw away brand recognition other executives would kill for for the letter X.
muh brand recognition... nigga please
And Twitter is still bigger than ever. So I guess it worked.
@@G-Mastah-Fash it's not though, it's been losing millions of users LOL
@ people will really just go online and make shit up
Pack it up guys, random TH-cam commenter knows how to run a business better than Elon Musk. This certainly concludes that musk was being an edgelord and not a spazz
The roman salute didn't exist in Rome. It was called that after the fact and has never been described or depicted in Roman literature.
having 9/11 flashbacks.. "the Romans need to publicly disavow this!!!"
Why is it called the Roman salute if Romans never did the same motion of the Nazi salute?
@@satanic_rosabecause italian fascists wanted to larp as romans.
@@satanic_rosa Because fascists idealize a glorious past. The italian fascists tried to establish the former glory of the roman empire, therefore it was heavily loaded with symbolism, sometimes attributed to Roman society after the fact. The "Roman salute" was one such symbolic gesture which had some resemblance to salutes being shown in roman paintings.
The Nazis did a similar thing with the runes, among which we find the swastika. The meaning of runes has never been fully deciphered and the Nazis reimagined them as a symbol for an ancient germanic past. They were retroactively loaded up with esoteric meaning to support the nefarious mystic "german" identity. In that context it also helps to mention that a german (national) identity as such was unheard of till the 19th century after the fall of the holy roman empire.
@satanic_rosa You could have googled that instead of writing it as a youtube comment
He hit the wrong emote
😂
twice
why'd he have it equipped? 🤨
@@polidori6268 he panicked and tried to cancel the emote but failed
Why "wrong"? What was wrong about it?
Thank god someone I have a parasocial relationship with has finally told me how to feel about this
Ew
Perfect comment
@@v1n3g4r7 JREG loves you and would appreciate it if you’d be inclined to carry his babies
Not good
people unironicaly think this and its how they end up radicalized
i think he tried to hide the salute with a similar gesture but fucked it up because he's constantly tweaking
He definitely tried to play it off, if only he had made it a wave or sum...
I think he did a Meta-irony
Yeah, he planned to dog whistle but he fucked up and just whistled.
@@elationcomplex2187 whut?
@@ladle9670 this
Horrifying political implications aside, why are we infantilizing the world's richest person who has a direct tie to one of the most powerful political figures in the world? Whether he meant it or not, a 53 year old with that much power acting like a 14 year old 4chan user should bring universal distain.
Why? Why should it bring distain? Do you expect the "upper class" to act more "proper" because they... Have money? Are you a monarchist?
You're only now discovering the phenomenon known as "eccentric billionaire"? It's been known for basically all of human history that the fabulously wealthy go silly with all that money and power. King Solomon had everything the world could offer, and he called it all vanity.
People are utterly repulsed by autistic people.
@@chadthundercock4806Is that why people have been hating on you?
jreg literally says this in the video, lol
As an autistic person I have to say that autism is not tourettes. Some of the "autism arguments" seem to imply that. Also, it's an unreasonably high standard to expect full ideological fervor behind an ideological symbol. A lot of people use the hammer and sickle without being full on tankies, for example.
Everyone kinda forgets he's also bipolar.
@sinity8068 which is also not tourettes
@@sinity8068Bipolarity is an even worse (ableist) argument than ASD. What would this be, depression or mania? And not a season, just a random singular moment? Most people don't care about these conditions in normal citizens, they're just willing to whip out anything from the DSM to protect a rich person they have a parasocial relationship with. No matter what pathologically "caused" it, that gesture was not acceptable.
@@sinity8068Does he have a diagnosis? Or is he lying like how he lies about being autistic?
Yeah like masking means that in a social setting if you need to stim but it might be a bit much for public, you do a different one that's more discreet
Jreg: "he's doing it to distract"
he's doing it to distract us from the fact that his Elden Ring build is really bad, and that's the only stance i'm gonna have about this
And the poe2 shit lol
Considering his PoE was like S-tier, and he permakilled it, I guess nobody wanted to let him destroy their progress in another game.
fucker was carrying 2 shields and put all his points in intelligence!
@ i read somewhere on 4chan that he bought that account, but there was no proof to that post, so i'm taking it with a grain of salt
@@12DAMDOnah bro the trading menu of that account was automatically set to Chinese 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So unless bro played the game in Chinese server for some reason, he brought it off a Chinese gamer😂😂😂😂
Hearing JREG speak like a normal person and not exclusively in chronically online memes blows my mind a little. I didn’t know he was capable of such things.
As an autistic person, I greatly appreciate Jreg’s commitment to showing 4 to 5 graph-related memes per video. Nothing hits closer to home than seeing a bunch of little men plotted along a spectrum.
elon has single-handedly set back the modern understanding of autism and its associated behaviors by fucking decades
Literally. It's stressing me out a bit. I know I'm going to have to explain my disability to a stranger eventually and there's a good chance now they're going to associate me with this bullshit.
You can get away with tweaking in public by saying you are stimming now so there are upsides
@@ammunition3371Idk, there's lots of black autistics who just get shot by the police because they are 'acting weird and suspisious'
@theaveragecomment1014 it shouldn't stress you out. People know what autism is lol
Reminds me of that furry episode in 100 ways to die
Can't wait to explain to people that being on the spectrum means I don't like loud noises and not that I do the sieg heil
Call me paranoid, but take:
- The fact that his autism is self diagnosed (even when he absolutely has resources and time to get a legit diagnosis)
- The fact that he frecuently lies on the internet (the Path of Exile 2 and Diablo 4 thing would be decent, recent examples)
- The fact that the far-right has been the last decade fetishizing high functioning autism to a weirdly disgusting degree (take Autism Speaks for example)
- The fact that he has financial interests in the right overall finding him appealing (as he's clearly intending to use his ties to Trump to advance his career)
- The fact that pretty much all of his symptoms could also be from a myriad of other neurological conditions, even when put together (some people have thought about NPD, which is a decent guess)
It's just too much. If teenagers lie about this shit for mere attention, why wouldn't Musk do it for the sake of his career?
None of these are "facts" and to think he has financially benefitted from alienating his core customer base (liberals that care about the environment) is straight up comical.
@@theipc-twizzt2789 Oh well, TH-cam deleted that last answer. Cool stuff.
Again, they very much are facts. You're free to prove otherwise.
You're mixing up cause and effect, of course he isn't benefitting from tanking Tesla's worth. He has been alienating his customers, which is why he has financial interests in appealing to a new customer base. Besides, Trump's tariffs would greatly damage Tesla's main competitors in the EV market.
@@theipc-twizzt2789 This is the third time I'm writing this. Gotta love TH-cam.
Again they very much are facts. You're free to prove otherwise.
You're mixing up cause and effect. Musk already alienated Tesla's customer base, and he stands to recover profits from appealing to a new customer base. You also have to consider that if Trump follows through with his tariffs, Tesla's competitors in the EV market would get hit harder than Tesla themselves. In short he (and a good portion of the Silicon Valley tech market) truly stands to profit from involving themselves with Trump.
Evidence that his autism is self diagnosed? Let's just start with the first thing you said that I can't find any proof for and we can keep moving down the list. It'd be great if when you're making claims you would source in the future otherwise expect people to assume you're lying.
@@blobymcblobface "According to his biographer Walter Isaacson (2023), Musk was never diagnosed by a qualified mental health professional. He diagnosed himself. And Musk is not alone. He is part of a growing do-it-yourself trend: self-diagnosis."
Stuart Vyse (2024) writing for Skeptical Inquirer.
I think it's worth noting that pro-Israel does not necessarily mean pro-Semitic, especially recently. In the same way that being anti-Israel does not mean anti-Semitic.
Yeah, that part of the video bothered me a bit. Some antisemites are actually pro-isreal because they don't want jews in their country/society, so a jewish ethnostate actually benefits their goals.
How can he be a political commentator and not know that pro-Israel vs anti-Israel is one of the biggest rifts among modern neo-Nazis? Hard to take seriously...
This
Would love to meet a pro-Israel antisemite.
When I hear the words 'ethno-nationalist state' 2 spring to mind - one current and one historic
Elon Musk is the kind of Center Right person who gets killed in the night of the long knives.
yeah... thats a pretty apt description...
Lol what
godwyn musk
No, he is the kind of person Who would instigate the night of the long knives, but for economic purposes instead of political ones
If someone you always liked the views of turned out to be on the spectrum, and people said they should be purged over a disability... Reminds me of Germany at some point in history, trying to remember what that word is called...
Being an autistic man myself, that was one hell of a time to start stimming.
LMAO
a heil of a time
As an autistic person also, I'm sure that specific stim is just something that happens to everyone with a Christofascism special interest.
@@BrainWeird😂😂😂
@@dxfifa maybe his autism is named "bellamy" or something
I am autistic and definitely not a Nazi. I don’t believe people can blame him doing that salute on autism.
Im autistic yet Im not dumb enough to accidentally even do this. Raise my hand up and wave? Sure! Placing my hand in my chest and then, with vigor, swinging it out?
Youve got to be a special kind of moron to do that accidentally. If Musk didnt do it on purpose, it still shows that this isnt the kind of guy you really ought to do business with...
Also, check out what Grimes has to say about this guy
I’m autistic and I agree with you. He didn’t accidentally do a Nazi salute, and if Nazi salute is part of regular stimming then he has more serious problems
I'm autistic, yet I'm not autistic enough to worry about political parties that existed a hundred years ago on the other side of the world.
@@billbadson7598 history repeats. That’s why it’s important we remember
@@billbadson7598 there's still people that share those beliefs
@ Which beliefs?
You missed the post-truth firehose of falsehoods argument. Like the Greenland discourse, he saluted on purpose, but with enough plausible deniability, to pit people against one another and destabilise the discourse. Jreg, it's time for your meta-politics era.
Elon is not that smart lmao. If the guy can fuck up pretending to own a video game account then he definitely doesn't have the wit to stage such a subtle plan.
Could you elaborate on how this applies to the Greenland discourse?
Greenland is simply, he first says he is going to declare war, to than come back home with a good deal
@@dally1398because it’s the exact same circus act. Are they joking? If they aren’t, they’re just going after their goals, if they are, they get to make the other guys look like idiots for being so concerned over something that was so clearly a joke.
I genuinely don't see a drop of plausible deniability, and I don't know why anyone does. The whole ten seconds of body language is perfectly clearly dripping with intent.
He meant it and he doesn't even realize he meant it.
Based
Trad sigma momento
Radical centrist position
You said it in so many fewer words than I was trying. It doesn't matter if he admits it or knows it or not, he literally is that. He does all the important bad things. He doesn't see the full picture that is crucial to not destroying things casually. He literally is the thing that makes people Nazis in the way that matters.
@@andrewbrowne7831 I am not a centrist. Type my name into Google. I am an Autistic Nazi that went to prison for shitposting too hard.
south african man from apartheid supporting family does something right-wing (shocking)
Booooo 👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿 stupid comment
🎶ive never met a nice south african🎶
Something right wing equals sign of far right ethno nationalist party
South African white man from apartheid Africa does something racist, shocking.
@@abdimalikelmi729going out and making jokes about that party’s actions after getting in trouble for this would confirm that, yeah
It's literal 4chan shit, nothing to do with anything from 1940s Germany directly. IMO it's the same playbook as the rest of the 'hiding your power level' stuff.
There is no hidden power level, Elon Musk is a liberal for all practical purposes (immigration).
>does Hitler salute
>"that's the 4chan salute"
I personally don’t think that he is 100% gas chamber level antisemite but any support for foreigners entering America from him is based on how he can use them as cheap labor. His profits are his number one motivation. However, I feel it is fair to say that he very much believes in the idea that one country should be for one group of people and they should have as few minorities as possible, so long as again it doesn’t hurt his profits. For instance recently at his appearance at the AFD rally he took a stab at multiculturalism and gave the common dogwhistles of “German values” and “you shouldn’t be ashamed of being German”. That would also explain his support for Israel, as Israel both is a major market for his products and provide the Jews with one state meaning America doesn’t need to hold as many of them as a minority group. Again, this is all my interpretation of his viewpoint. Taking this into consideration, I think he did it on purpose, partially to appease the more radical Republican base and partially as an edgy way to give the middle finger to “woke inc” while still having plausible deniability.
You think they should be ashamed of being German? Yeah, no wonder leftism is in the way out.
He did it to appease his "supporters" who got rightfully angry about his h-one-bee outburst. The only convictions musk holds is that his money and power should increase, everyone and everything else is a stepping stone.
@@Recreationaltrespasser I think this is the part that is just astonishingly overlooked. Weird how much horseshit flooded the space after they got pushback on their stance on H1B visas
A fascist would put their race above profits. In fact, a fascist with any balls would put their race above their own life.
His VPs at Tesla are literally all millionaire brown people
The only way to read this is that he really doesn't care about the skin colour.
I still believe that he wanted to do it in a more subtle way, to make a dogwhistle that'll get some people happy and some people arguing, and for him to have plausible deniability, but that he accidentally did the salute too clearly and messed his plan up.
That does sound extremely plausible.
and yet the trump voters gobble it up and don't care
I agree. He did it so he could say no I didn’t but still prove he can get away with it because he’s so powerful
thats sounds like a massive stretch. I dont think he intended that at all.
I don't know. He seems way too giddy when doing it for it to even make for a believable failure of a dog whistle. He's snickering like a 6-year old after saying a slur to an adult for the first time, which is not too far removed from what he is doing. I am leaning towards him being: Autistic, probably not the H-man's top guy, but wouldn't mind Henry Fording it if H-man made a comeback.
All I can say is that I would have gotten arrested for it in Germany
Nah bro I seen plenty of Germans do that in Germany no one arrests them. I seen your AFD polls, I heard what you guys think of Gypsies, you ain’t fooling me.
Which should be a crime.
Proof that it is a far-left thing
Germans tend to be like that, anything or anyone that they don't like gets put in a prison camp.
Exactly, and the reasoning why it's criminalised in Germany is what JREG explains here. It doesn't even matter whether you do a Nazi salute out of personal conviction, it will still serve as a rallying cry to the worst elements of society. The fact that this fundamental truth is being eroded, especially in the US but also in Germany, is very worrying.
Something I've heard nobody mention is that the crowd cheers as soon as he does it, before he says "my heart goes out to you". Whether he meant it or not, the people in the audience cheered for it.
i don't think most people even knew it was a "nazi salute", until the people who only see things though the lense of "is this nazism", pointed it out
If I had nicke for every Elon salute schitzo post I've seen I'd have 2 nickles.
Which would be more but it's funnier if I stop here
@@maxkore278 nah it was pretty obviously a nazi salute to anyone who's taken a history class. Me and my mom saw it live and both went "oh shit" the second he did it. My mom is apolitical and she knew. It's not just these "everyone i disagree with is a nazi" people. Anyone with the most basic knowledge on history recognized this in a second.
@@anoriginalname8695these guys arent even trying to hide their lack of sentience
Crowds cheer for everything. Haven't there been enough clips of Joe Biden slipping into unrecognizable speech with people still cheering?
It was actually a mildly talented Austrian painter salute. They do it while grasping recently washed brushes in order to wash them, with the palette on the other hand.
my take on it is that he basically has the brain of a 14 year old and thought "hehe it would be REALLY funny if I did this rn!"
true or not... yep, that sounds like him 😄
Hes racist but its not like his first priority, its like his 2nd or 3rd priority, his first priority is money and power
It's been shifting over the past year. And I think this moment pushed him over the top. He looks like a little boy who got away with something realizing he can now do it with impunity.
@@weatheranddarkness like the scene where homelander lazer a guy in broad daylight and everyone applaud him 😅
@@alae...7061Homelander at least have powers, all we need is Luigi 2.0 with *REDUCTED* to catch him on a Minecraft server and grief him.
Just like that one german party in the early mid 1900s.
@@lolasdm6959 elon is my SIKMA!
I also used to be an edgy 16 year ol- i mean autistic once. But i grew out of it
You wanna know how I got these quirks? When I was a kid, my father-my father-took me aside and said, “Son, someday you’ll grow out of this… this autism thing.” And for a while? I believed him. Oh, I did. But you see… my father was a gamer. He’d rage-quit Halo and then tell me life was just like that-“Git gud” and all that. I thought maybe… maybe there was some secret level I’d unlock. But no matter how hard I tried, the hyperfixations was permanent. The awkward social moments, eternal. My need to organize everything? It’s my superpower. So one day, doing my father's... gaming. I walked into the living room, just, as, he... was about to rage-quit, and I told him, “Dad, I’m not growing out of this.” He looked at me, his eyes narrowing, and he said, “WHY SO AUTISTIC, SON?” He grabbed the hot ironing out of my mother's hand, then he grabbed me, and said... "LET'S START YOUR MEWING SESSION"
So... Why so autistic?
@nice3333333333 Wow doesn't your dad realize We Live in a Society? Is he stupid?
I'm 15 and I'm so glad I never went through that phase and hopefully never will
@arseniclover I feel like you need it for character development though
@@ItsOver9000Productions Many of us didn't need to be shitty people to be decent people.
You sure you aren't also autistic?
9:42 black voters, both male and female, were still majority democrat by a large margin (men 75%, women 90%, taken from PBS). Latino voters, which are about the same population as black voters, did shift roughly to a 50-50 split. This was caused by the Democratic Party being incredibly shit at their jobs.
It is also important to keep in mind that voter turnout may not represent public opinion within these groups.
wow i wonder how the only other major american party can be "bad at their job"
@@triv2n "the Dems lost because they didn't campaign well enough/the way I'd like."
Sure, let's blame them for this outcome instead of the rampant wh!te supremecy and media environment endemic with misinformation.
edit: that's basically my appraisal-that the people saying the Dems lost because the Dems are shit, all of those people are in denial about these endemic problems.
And also Trump said Elon helped him with the voting machines and thanked him… so there’s that
They thought the democratic party was shit at their job, so their solution was to vote for trump? Masterful gambit
Both biden and Kamala were clapping at trump's inaguration speech
that's so true, nobody cares whether he intended it to be the based salute or not, if anything he's lost integrity now that he's claiming it wasn't one.
As an autistic guy on ketamine I take great offense to this
Just today he gave a speech at the AfD where he talked about German Values and the dangers of "Multiculturalism" so there's also that
Are you american?
Multiculturalism has proven to be terrible for society so there's also that
You don't have to be far-right to like your country's values and think that multiculturalism has failed. Or maybe you do, in which case, call me far-right please!
European detected. Opinion rejected.
But he's not a Nazi. That is an incorrect terminology.
He was just trying to address the allegations that he had ties to the far right, he followed your advice from all those years ago
The idea that the nazi salute dates back to the roman empire is a falsehood that was originally perpetrated by the Partito Nazionale Fascista. Mussolini was obsessed with the idea of "making italy great again" to the point of idolatrizing roman symbols and the imperial aesthetic. There is no actual solid proof that shows that beyond reasonable doubt that was a widespread and common way to salute in roman imperial times. The idea this was the case and the act of the fascist salute (because let me remind you a LOT of nazi ideas, methods, and aesthetic was copied from fascist italy and fascist propaganda) were probably inspired by a famous painting: Oath of the Horatii, by Jacques-Louis David. In the painting three roman soldiers are seen taking an oath reaching with their right arm to the swords they are going to carry in battle. So yeah, always remember that fascisms are opportunistic by nature and that basically everything they say is a lie on some level, even the things that seem likely to be true.
are we really to the point that a tech billionaire doing the sieg heil is fucking disputable??
Yes we are because a week before that he said that white people were lazy and useless and we should be replaced with Indians. Every actual Nazi on Earth basically vomitted and threatened to kill him after that.
from my perspective, it matters a lot if the nazi salute was intentional. I mean if it was intentional, then he is a nazi or loves pretending to be a nazi and he is bffs with the president! just from a "predicting future events" perspective, it matters. Plus, if he'd said "heil hitler" on that stage, I think the public outcry definitely would have been a lot more urgent. People on the internet, myself concluded, can speculate as to Elon's intentions, but clearly the ambiguity is benefiting the common sense (though I think very possibly untrue) assumption that the richest guy on earth didn't turn out to be a neo-nazi. Tweets and public outcry are a form of performance, and the performance is different because Elon Musk may, in fact, not be a nazi
read this in your voice. please get out of my head.
(for the record, I do think there's a good chance he did it as a media stunt. I'm not 100% on it, but I genuinely do think the man is insane. And besides, it's not so foolish a move. If you want to simultaneously please far right people in your community AND drum up a huge amount of press AND make out liberals to be foolish and irrational to your conservative audience, it's not such a bad way to do it.)
I agree that this discussion is only really possible if it isn't conclusive, but I disagree that it matters a lot. The sheer weight he has in current culture/politics is enough for it to have impact even if eas a genuine nervous tic/faux pas. Especially if he reacts to push back the way he has in the past, or JK Rawling did, and becomes more comfortable with new forms of fascism adjacent to Nazism as result of this.
Love your videos by the way.
I was today years old when I learned Big Joel watches jreg.
@@MrMrprofessor12345 Thank you! And I mean look, this did have a huge impact, regardless of whether or not it was intentional. But I think we all intuitively understand that the reaction would have been perhaps ten thousand times more huge, had Elon Musk done a Nazi thing that almost everybody agreed was a Nazi thing. What would the ADL have done? What would Trump have done? It would be an inflection point in the history of the world, I believe.
Guys he’s not a nazi! He just has Aspergers Syndrome. I was diagnosed because I literally couldn’t handle myself and did that “my heart goes out to you” gesture constantly!
Very relatable
Bro is Dr. Strangelove irl
Rrrrriiiiiiggggghhhhtttt, i totally believe you
@@Zombiemancz Ableist!!
This channel is known about Meta-irony and post-irony not simple irony
Fascism does not have to be focused on one race/etnicity indeed as shown by the Estado Novo in Portugal (who were very pro-racemixing)
Fascism is fluid enough to fit whatever culture or people
Pretty much every time people say Fascist, they mean Nazi (German fascism) / generic authoritarian.
Really? As a Portuguese person, from what I learned in school and from my grandparents, who moved to Angola due to the fascist regime before coming back after the revolution, while officialy Portugal was in favour of considering the "overseas territories" (colonies) as part of the territory, and their people portuguese people regadless of race, it was an emperialistic thing made to keep the colonies in a world that was increasingly decolonising. Up to the later years of the regime, portuguese people were officially categorised as first class (born in continental portugal, i suppose), second class (born in the colonies to parents who migrated there, I think) and third class (I'm not sure exactly what the defining criteria is, but going by logic it should be people born in the colonies with parents from the colonies).
Anyway, the point that fascist or authoritarian regimes adapt to culture and circunstances still stands.
thank you lmao. So many people just IMMEDIATELY assume fascism is just a "privileged white guys" ideology but god damn, reading on the so many other fascists or far rightists other than Hitler and Mussolini would prove that wrong. (And also try and really read in how each country developed each of their laws throughout the pre-war and war periods, because surprisingly enough, if the singular big guy in the continent is invading left right and center, you might want to befriend them to some degree)
As a Portuguese person that has studied our history for a good while, the Estado Novo wasn't a fascist regime, he hated every form of fascism, nazism and falangism and their ideals, he described fascism as "pagan caesarism", was publicly anti-fascist and jailed many national syndicalists (far right people of the time) just as he jailed the communists.
Most people today try to associate every single dictatorship with either fascism or communism, that's not how it works, Salazar despised both and his dictatorship was neither, he was a conservative dictator that wanted to fix the problems he saw in Portugal during his entire life, he didn't necessarily stick himself in either camp.
There was censorship and political imprisonment, but that's a trait of a dictatorship, not a trait of fascism, and keep in mind that, while he probably saw those as necessary to keep the stability of the state, the number of political prisoners for example was slowly reduced over time compared to the first portuguese republic (it had harsher censorship and political imprisonments than salazar's regime).
So basically, Salazar wasn't a fascist, he hated fascism, he hated their ideals, and his dictatorship has a much smaller inspiration of fascist ideals than nazism and falangism, he was just a man who lived his entire early adult life in a very oppressing and unstable first republic, and wanted to change his country, he never lived a wealthy lifestyle, and yes he did do a lot of bad things, but people tend to call him every name on the book modernly to try and make him look worse, while during the Estado Novo he was wrongly hailed as hero, nowadays he is wrongly framed as a demon.
Ah, interesting to see how Portugese people look at the Estado Novo. I was always thought it was “close enough” to fascism. Considering it was a corporatist, nationalist and authoritarian state, but I can see how the lack of intense involvement in daily life makes it less so.
Sunday Update: Elon Musk spoke at an AfD campaign event on Saturday, the AfD being a far-right German political party. "“Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great-grandparents...There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that." The event is 2 days before the International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Hmmm
This is the standard normie Conservative position dude. Same as "Well >I< didn't own any slaves!"
corporatism is fun buzzword because americans of all stripes hate corporations in the abstract
Fascism was specifically designed to be applicable to any country. It was meant to sweep across all nations and cultures, it wasn't just for Italians.
There are five keys of fascism, most of them about the totalitarian and all-consuming nature of the state. If an ideology has all of these, it is fascist, otherwise it's not. Thanks to this, it's possible to force fascism nearly anywhere.
I liked Pilgrim Pass' video on it th-cam.com/video/qYBM7cO-D4M/w-d-xo.html
Fascism wasn't 'designed'. It was a name attributed to a slew of nationalist movements that grew out of Ww1 and influenced by 19th century nationalism. The word Fascism does come from Italy though, and they were the only ones to actually call themselves fascist.
Wrong wrong wrong! THE core tenet of fascism is ethnic/racial unity. Literally fascism was made by taking socialism, but rejecting proletariat unity in favor of national/ethnic unity with class cooperation. You actually have it backwards: authoritarianism is not a tenet of fascism at all. Fascism was defined as a Worldview, not an ideology. The fascist powers of Europe chose mixed market economics and authoritarianism as their ideology because of their specific situation, but nothing about fascism as Worldview would be inherently contradictory with a libertarian republic or an outright communist state. Most modern neo-fascists aren't actually authoritarians at all, they advocate for more of an aristocratic liberty style where the central state has very little power but a big group of (biological, not monetary) elites can run everything as they please.
@@beepbop6542was in racial unity or national unity?
@@lectivalzahard8533 The Germans were mainly focused on the Germans, as is natural. At the time the only significant populations in Europe that the Germans would consider a different race were the Jews and Gypsies. They did make propaganda posters about how Africans might overwhelm Europe though, especially in France.
How did youtube allow you to post a link to a video? I thought youtube automatically hides comments with links.
Also pilgrim pass is more of a right leaning creator so probably not a good recommendation under this video.
I think it was a half hearted “I know I can’t do it, but I want to do it” but I think he does like Hitler but more for his style and being “based and epic” But he is less of a nazi and more mentally Homelander
More mentally a baby needing mommy milk😂
Omg you’re so right
he's Homelander except instead of laser eyes he owns all our money. it's really sad
i think the video of musk actually doing heart hands should have been included in the evidence he knew what he did lol
Could you link me to it, please? Can't find the video in question, or at least not sure which one you mean
@@creaturecreature Not sure of the origin but I can also attest to having seen this video. Just can’t remember where
The idea of politicians doing internet trolling is really uncomfortable to me.
You think about the situation rationally and be like, yeah kinda don't make sense for him to do that, he really kinda does weird stuff all the time so this could possibly be just be an genuine mistake. But then you watch the video to check again and nah.... he just did the thing there's no mistake.
"Did he mean it?" -- ...Maybe. Possibly even probably.
"Does it matter?" -- Yes, and no. Yes because he has a lot of power so if he meant it, that's VERY BAD NEWS. No because even if he didn't mean it: If people critical of fascism saw it as a fascist salute then surely many _supportive_ of fascism saw it the same way. And they will feel validated, even empowered...And that is VERY BAD NEWS.
If nazis feel empowered, people die. There is no healthy society where nazis shouldnt feel afraid to publically do nazi behaviour
So it matters in the sense that, whether or not it was intentional, it's still very bad news either way
Fundamentally, you are responsible for how people receive your words/actions (so long as they're being vaguely reasonable in their interpretation). A reasonable person could absolutely take what Musk did as a Nazi salute, so even if he didn't mean it, he's as responsible for it as if he did. I don't think Musk is a Nazi, however I definitely think he's an idiot for doing something which can so easily be interpreted that way, especially considering how long he's been in the public eye for - he should have known better
The people supportive of fascism did NOT see it as a Nazi salute. [They] are all still stuck on the H1B thing. Elon Musk could start calling for death to the Jews and the Nazis still wouldn't like him.
Are you gay?
Yes
Its important to remember the difference between Israel and Judaism. Israel has applauded some neo-nazi movements for attacking it's enemies, and has also engaged in Holocaust revisionism.
Not "Israel". You mean Netanyahu.
@@jacobb9672 Until you see the videos of hundreds of colonists raiding the W.Bnk, violently with impunity and destroyign aid trucks...
So weird to see this comment so far down. Jreg himself once made a video about all the different ideologies and made a gag about fascism and zionisn being right next to each other.
And to add to what you said: not only are there plenty of zionisists who flirt with nazis but there are also nazis who love zionism because it means jewish people leaving their country and going to israel instead
@ That's Israel? Ok then the Palestinians are all Hamas too, apparently. This is a stupid game you guys are playing.
@ Zionists won't be flirting with Nazis, since genuine Nazis actually want to kill jews. You have a bunch of right wingers you hate and you call nazis, but that doesn't mean we "flirt with nazis".
He’s “king of the trolls” - it doesn’t matter. He just likes the attention.
He's the ultimate Simp, and we are the OF accounts he decided to donate to, when he bought Twitter
You mean the ego-manic likes attention? Say it ain't so.
@@nice3333333333 You guys are getting paid?
@@nice3333333333bro used to simp under the thirst trap twitter account red headed libertarian 😂
This is basically the PewDiePie nazi thing from 2016, no wonder im getting nostalgia from it
9:15 correction: "leader of the far right party in Germany", she is not the leader of Germany.
about time jreg makes a video about this
the world has gotten so wacky even our beloved clownboy is scientifically steelmanning recent events
Another incredible youtube video, from my favorite youtuber, mpreg
the things that pushed me over the fence to "oh he's def a fascist" was like said, the double heil and the fact he has done next to nothing to condemn the flood of "yay fascism" he's gotten, all he's done since has clearly been just testing the waters of it instead. And lastly realising where he grew up in south Africa at the time he was a teenager lol
JREG speaking like this is giving “The Onion in 2016”
This is the first time I've seen death of the author applied in this way.
10:25 Jreg Nazi EXPOSED?!?!1!
Naaah, he's 100% autistic, just look at his content
Jreg is NAZI?!?!!?!?
he did say he was making a new video
No he is just artistic and doing a mongoloid salute
No he's just autistic
As an autistic person who practiced various ways to move out of gestures with my right hand so that I'd never look like that, I think that we need to critically revisit the idea of him actually being autistic in the first place. There's a repeated pattern of him being naïve about what is actually needed to live with the difficulties he claims or others claim for him.
Edit: added the words "critically" and "in the first place" for clarity.
theres a clip of him doing the usual gesture people do when doing the my heart goes out to you. plus he has never shown to have an issue like this with tics before?
It's good to be rich af.🎉
ah yes, he's just autistic. Poor little kid doesn't know he's a neo-nazi, I swear!
@@walkingonneedlesi don’t think the claim is that it’s a tic. they just mean he’s awkward.
I would consider this possibility more if it weren't for A: the fact that he did it twice: B: the fact that he responded to the backlash by making nazi puns on twitter; and C: the fact that he followed this all up by speaking at a rally for the german neo-nazi party AFD, who he has had strong affiliations with previously. It's not just the salute, it's the fact that he is riding the discourse around the salute to fully endear himself to western fascists who thanks to his money will have a better shot than ever at getting elected. Nazis themselves are not debating this at all, it is entirely in line with musk's statements previously which have full throatedly spouted nazi theory to such an extent that he seems well versed on the subject. If this was 8 years ago, I might give him more grace. Not now. He is being very clear about his intentions and he knows he's untouchable.
These are all pointless arguments when you find out he is infact giving his money, advocacy, and time to the AfD far-right Neo-Nz party in Germany, among others and that yes, his family where members of both the Apartheid and the Canadian Nz party. Yes he meant it, yes it matters, yes there are more important signs and indicators we should focus on but aren't for some reason.
My first thought upon seeing elon do a sig heil was that Jreg would make a banger about it
Finally I can have an opinion about this, thank you, heil JREG!
Good work Jreg, you really showed those (outgroup) who's boss!
He really gave whichever group I disagree with a trvth nvke
"“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag. . ."
JREG is the REAL fascist!!1!!1!11!!1!
An important detail about the "He may as well have" point you made is how that isn't just an "at that moment" thing, it's a fully continuous thing. He could easily CHANGE how it's interpreted by giving a clear stance or apology or anything, but he insists on being a freakin weirdo about it. That's a big part of why he may as well have.
Very excited for your video on post-racial fascism, I think it would be very valuable for people to come back to thinking about fascism as more than just something to call people you don't like or to associate with the aesthetics of Nazis but a instead as a real set of ideologies that is growing in popularity and can come in way more forms than the ones Westerners use as the baddies in their origin myths.
So dictatorship without racism is not sure you can call it fascist .But then again fascism has not been clear ideology it just whatever mussolini thought of to gain power .
"Post racial fascism" is a complete oxymoron.
fascism has nothing to do with race
@@mymaster416fascism often centers around racial identity, but it isn't a fundamental requirement for a society to be fascist, sure.
@mymaster416 This is the stupidest thing I've ever read
absolutely lost it at "let's say you're autistic, you're throwin out a seig heil once in a while" 😂😂😂 the delivery, the absurdity, the rhyme 💀 (5:46 for the timestamp-thirsty)
I think he falls into the third category: Goofus Doofus
Until you find out he's funding the AfD and who his grandparents where.
I think it was done mainly for media outrage. The German far right party AfD, the one he interviewed, does this all the time. The most famous case is when their most controversial figure, Björn Höcke, said "Alles für Deutschland", translating to "Everything for Germany" in a speech. This line is a parole used by the Nazis, but a lesser known one which most people had forgotten before this incident. The line is also conveniently not as extrem as other ones of their paroles. As this Nazi parole is banned by the German constitution, he was fined by a judge, he claimed he didnt know it was a parole (even though he was a history teacher) and boom free publicity. Maybe after his interview with Alice Weidel, the partys leader, he took some pages out of their book.
@@andir7374 deutschland ueber alles let's go
Even entertaining non-Nazi explanations for what he did, is ridiculous.
jreg remember frameworks? when i was a boy, this was a frameworks channel
This video feels pretty framework-y, just applied to a specific topic.
this was the most frameworks-centric video he's made recently by far. talking about all the different interpretations of the situation
not the jump scare in the first three seconds... I can't keep defening you JReg, I can't keep defending you 🤣😭😭😭
"It is thanks to you that civilization is assured"
Nobody seems to have paid attention to that next line which sounds like a confirmation to anyone who knows the slightest bit about nazi rhetoric.
There's just too much there to pretend it is not what it is.
you know what's not Nazi rhetoric? Ten million Indian immigrants.
The Roman saulte, also, was never a thing romans did. It was a theatre thing that fascists in Italy stole in the early 1900s. Since then its been a fascist symbol. Its why the Belamy Saulte changed for the American National Anthem - because it was identical to the Nazi saulte.
so essentially you contradict yourself by saying that the salute was a thing before it became a nazi salute (bellamy salute)
He saluted the Nazis twice and then talked about the "salvation of civilization".
Dude has been in the spotlight for multiple decades at this point. If he still hasn't figured out that such a salute is not ok, then maybe he shouldn't be in a public position
This wasn't how I wanted to find out I was autistic.
I have autism (unironically) and I am genuinely upset with all of this, specially because regardless of what he did or not, we should be left out of this.
Although I am into politics, I don't think autism as a whole should be tied to a specific political figure or group. (Whether it is Right, Left or any other)
Those on spectrum that wish (and are capable to) engage in politics should be allowed to do so, but of course with all the necessary care. Still, it shouldn't be an obligation, but a personal choice.
Autism isn't even really that relevant to politics anyway. There are autistic people on the left, right, and center of the political spectrum and therefore trying to say "oh this famous X party member is autistic" or "autistic people tend to vote X" is pointless.
@@headphonesaxolotl I think what is actually important is that conservatives dislike weird things and weird people, and autistic people tend to be viewed as weird. While the left embraces weirdness and accepts people's eccentricities. Looking at which one autistic people tend to like more isn't that useful, but if you break down which one is better for autistic people on a societal level, the left is clearly better for societal acceptance of autistic people. The right is only associated with autistics insofar as the fact that many right wingers are no-lifes who are on the internet all day, which is also what a lot of autistic people do. This isn't really healthy for autistic people. The left is more in favor of being openly weird and making friends with similar weird people. The left is more accepting of therapy. The right instead favors repression and trying to act normal, which should remind one of how autistic people mask. And studies clearly show that masking is bad for autistic people in the long run.
@@headphonesaxolotl It certainly is? Everything the right stands for ends up being harmful to autistics in the long run. While the left is in favor of being openly weird and just accepting one another.
@@headphonesaxolotl My comment keeps being deleted. I'm trying to say that the right clearly does not have ASD people's interests in mind, while the left does.
@@godlyvex5543 You could say that about most of the voter base.
Good one Jreg! My heart goes out to you!
1:18 c'mon man it's 2025 We know antisemitism isn't being a nazi anymore, it's about criticizing the state of Israel in any way shape or form
Free Palestine
Carful jreg, this is the best take I’ve seen so far. You might ruin your brand if you keep sounding reasonable
The roman salute wasnt a thing, metatron has a great vid on it
Unironically my question is that if he is a Nazi, why the fuck would he tell the world about it - it's clearly done so much harm to his brand atp
That's the thing: he didn't. He had plausible deniability. I'm sure he felt thrilled and powerful for doing it in front of so many eyes and knowing that he could get away with it. Trump won, so he won, and that was his celebration.
he didn't make it obvious. usually neo nazis are significantly louder. they yap on and on about their ideas with no hesitation.
The thing about dog-whistles is that you can let extremists know your stance while still having a smidge of plausible deniability that you can use with the people who are criticizing you. My parents hate Elon Musk, and yet they don´t think he was doing a salute. They are of the opinion that he was overenthusiastically gesturing that he is giving out his heart.
And I am not sure if this even did much harm to his reputation. My guess is that a huge chunk of the people criticizing him already didn´t like him.
Harm to his brand? My guy, he's the richest most powerful man in the world AND the president despite everything, he doesnt have to hide anything any more. Just google Musk and the AfD party in germany... or his grandparents...
I don't see him getting much criticism for it aside from people that already disliked him... which is actually pretty concerning.
The biggest thing that this event has taught me is that Americans pronounce it Ass-Burgers?
How do you pronunce it?
@Maxშემიწყალე I guess like, Ass-purgers? With a P and a J sound, rather than a B and a G sound
@@Maxშემიწყალე ass-purgers (soft g)
"He may as well have" is an echo to the "Perception is reality" which the same reason why you avoid hitting on subordinates or being perceived as doing so, because everyone will then behave as if you are. They will resent not getting things from you, or behave in a way to draw or avoid your attention to maximize things they want from you. It was the same thing as the "stand by and stand down" which in hindsight considering those groups did show up and storm the capital seems hard to say they didn't listen to him.
I want to say a few things. I think Elon is a manchild, and he did the salute because he wanted to have the center of attention. He really wanted to make himself important and get the media talking about him. Also, just notice the way he throws himself into the salute. He had the expression as a teenager who wanted to make an edgy joke but felt embarrassed so he just threw himself into it so he couldn't rethink it. Also, I know a lot of autistic people and have ADHD (which can be very similar) and none of my friends just throw out a sig heil as their stim. Most ways of stimming is like bouncing your leg or flapping your hand. Saying he did it because he is autistic is straight up offensive to most autistic people. Sure, he didn't do the salute well, but he did do it.
Don't know about "post-racial fascism" being a proper thing at the moment, though it does seem like there is an ongoing re-drawing of the boundaries of what it means to be "white" in the USA. Many years ago, Italian migrants to the USA struggled for full acceptance despite being European, yet today few would question the "whiteness" of Italians. Similarly, migrants from South and Central America to the USA are currently the focus of an immigration panic, but in recent notable cases the owners of racist social media accounts have been found to be of South or Central American descent.
Your average American Jew would not be described as anything other than White. Ben Shapiro is like the Whitest person in existence
Well a lot of that had to do with the fact that Italians are catholic, which separated them from the vast majority of Americans at that time. Its the same reason that people were tenuous about Irish people being allowed to become American, they both had a different cultural and religous tradition and behaved differently and prioritized different things. Same was an issue with accepting poles, same reason. Its not that these people are not europeans or not white and they didn't see it that way at the time, they were just different than everyone else... and really since then, America has totally changed culturally since then. If you look at many of the political movements since then, many had catholics involved in leadership roles. So, if you look at it from their perspective at that time, they were entirely reasonable to feel that way and were kind of proven right (among many other causes for change)
Plus in regards to central and south Americans ethnicity. There are many people that are basically 100% white european that live there. Everyone is not the same ethnicity there. Its really relatively segregated there naturally like in most other places. There are regions, neighborhoods, etc, where most people are mostly white European and other areas where people are not. So just because someone comes from central or south America, does not mean that they are necessarily not white/european.
There were and are a lot of scientific (and "scientific") papers on that in the USA.
The same thing you have mentioned were true of Irish and even Slavic (for example Polish) migrants, and how they "became white" (there was a whole thing about British using racial pseudoscience against Irish back in the days too).
It always makes me laugh how "Brown and Black" in US corpospeech nowadays include... Latino people. Obama was brown (Mulato, IIRC 50% or less black), AoC isn't lol. It seems there is a lot of benefit in defining yourself out of whiteness lol
@haydencapps certainly anti-catholicism played a role in bigotry against Italian migrants, but not the only role. As largely "urban proletariat", Catholics in the USA naturally gravitated towards political movements that favoured labour, though the social conservatism of some has now led them to join the Republican Party in large numbers (see all recent conservative appointments to the supreme court). In the UK we had a lot of imported Irish labour in the 19th Century, and Irish workers were treated with what could now only be thought of as a species of racism, quite apart from the religious question. Of course, Ireland is now understood as a "white" country. As for Spanish speakers in the USA gravitating towards fascism without being "white" even in the South American sense, look no further than the so-called "Proud Boys".
The timeline shift post Harambe has been nothing short of madness. We're at the part in the comics where mfs start falling into vats of electric eels. Dunk Luigi into the eels.
elon has probably done more damage to ketamine fiends and the larger ketamine fiend community than anyone else
How often do you think Elon Musk changes his K pee bag?
One thing I don't think people are taking into account as another factor was that he was probably high as balls on like ketamine or something when he went up. After he came down from the high, he probably realized he fucked up so has just been trying to do damage control ever since. There's been this clip of him the background of an interview or something from earlier in the day, where his eyes were rolling into his head looking very much not there.
So just like the real nazis then
Personally I think it was just for online attention, nobody who's already supporting Elon musk is going to be put off by this and now the media is giving him more attention
It's funny that you used the picture of him and Shapiro at Auschwitz. Someone that was there wrote a scathing post about his inappropriate behavior there.