Powermate Generator with Briggs Vanguard Engine Will Not Start
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- Typical story. This generator sat for years with gas in the tank and carburetor and now it will not start. Will clean it up and fire it up.
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Your videos are, without a doubt, the best videos on gen repair there is. Thanks for sharing I am learning a lot about my generators. Thanks again and God Bless
Please watch this video about generator safety th-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/w-d-xo.html a lot of people ignore warnings. Warnings should never be ignored.
Cranked my 17 yr old generator yesterday. I do it every few months.
Next time we get a hurricane in S Fla, I’ll have 3 or 4 people calling me that afternoon wanting theirs fixed.
Nope, I’m busy preparing. Get with me next week. Then I don’t hear from them until the next storm is coming. Same scenario again.
Nice job.
Thank you for your straight forward, easy to comprehend tutorials on small engines. Super helpful and detailed. You're a natural teacher. Really enjoying your films. Hats off to you and many thanks!
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Thank you, James. This was my exact problem with a real gummed up bowl. As someone who has never taken apart a carburetor before, this was a perfect step by step. Many thanks!
I use the same cotton swab on a drill trick to polish the needle barrel too. I dab a little brass polish onto it and clean the carb thoroughly with paint thinner. Makes the needle glide silky smooth. Best to you, mate!
You are the Generator Guru. Truly. BTW, I live in North Carolina (you said you had family here, I think) and I do try to take care of my engines. I have a 25 year old Coleman Powermate Maxa 5000 ER generator, bought new at Walmart in 1996 after Hurricane Fran. It still starts on the first pull every time. I am very, very careful about long term storage.
Gracias a los videos de James hoy Puedo decir que me gusta mucho el mundo de los generadores eléctricos, hoy mismo tuve el lugar de darle mantenimiento a uno de mis generadores eléctricos y con mis herramientas nuevas, medidor de corriente, HZ, amperes, y ciertamente contento porque logré por mis medios propios regular completamente un generador eléctrico, y mientras lo hacía pensaba mucho en James, y le decía a mi esposa !!ME SIENTO COMO JAMES!! y de verdad soy fiel admirador de tu canal.. gracias James por dedicar y enseñar por esta plataforma tus conocimientos. Desde Cuba saludos.
Those Briggs & Stratton 9hp engines are some good engines.
My generator is exactly like yours. I learned how to remove the carburetor from you video. The one I bought sit with gas in it for 18 years. Needle valve was stuck like yours. I am going to attempt to clean it soon and will report back . Hope it runs as good as yours. I did notice I only have 50 pounds of compression and I hope the ACR is causing this. Again I will be back with updates. THANKS so much and love your video's.
So how'd it go?
As always your videos help.
I have veteran car with mechanical fuel pump.
Fuel in the tank and in the lines are old - over 5 years.
If it gets gummed in lines, what to use to loosing them?
Nice! They really do run them pretty lean these days. The fuel will last longer and it’ll pollute less but they sure do foul up easier!
Thanks for this video! I have the exact same generator and it had a carb issue as well. Thanks for pointing out the spark arrestor. Missing on mine, too. I received my generator used but have the manual and other papers, which listed the spark arrestor as an accessory. Sold at same price today as listed many years ago! Thanks again.
I was wondering about that. Seems like the spark arrestor was not required back then.
How about a video about how to properly get these ready for storage?
Drain the bowl? Run out of gas, or fill completely with gas?
I know nothing about generators but definitely shopping for one.
That a good idea. Will do that at some point. Definitely always run the bowl out of gas or drain it. You can leave a full tank of stabilized gas in it, but I always swap it out twice a year. Otherwise empty it, the lines and the carb.
I see you turn fine thread jets and such backwards too to allow them to naturally align before turning them in the tightening direction. 😌
Excellent diagnosis and repair. Should be a good running generator for someone. Great job. Thanks for sharing.
D Butler thanks. It sold fast with the tropical storm we just had.
I scored a powermate generator for free I pulled the oil drain plug and was filled with fuel guys said it smoked like crazy fix the stuck float in the carburetor change the oil twice runs like a champ
I have just worked on one of these and did the same thing with the choke, I can't open it fully. It will surge. So, #65 drill bit is the solution, thanks. I'm also working on a Blackmax BMi2100 inverter one, and that one too surges.
This was an amazing video. Thank you for posting. I have the exact same machine and was having all the same problems, including having to 'slightly' choke the engine once everything was cleaned. Having never taken a carburetor apart before, I was able to fix mine with my modest collection of tools. I wish there was a little more video on the needle because that was the most 'gunked' part of my unit and wasn't sure what it should look like once it was removed and what it should look like clean. Thank you again. I'm looking forward to exploring your channel more.
I did another video on another powermate with the same engine. Maybe that one has a little more on the carb? th-cam.com/video/8QmYozcLR6U/w-d-xo.html
You can buy a china carb for this engine for $23 bucks! Todays prices with inflation hitting us hard. I replaced my carb years back after forgetting to drain the old fuel out before winter set in. Still runs great after 25 buying it new!
Woking my way through your videos great channel your presentation is clear and precise no hype thank for sharing your knowledge 🇦🇺👍
I run my 4500W Briggs backup generator 15 minutes every month on the first day of the month. I load test it with some of my big electrical saws and angle grinders. I change the oil once a year and keep Stabil and MMO in it premium non ethanol gas. It usually starts on one pull. It has a 11.5 HP IC engine on it.
Make sure you keep your family safe while using generators th-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/w-d-xo.html here’s an advice about keeping your family safe during power outages. Just hoping everyone stays safe.
I do the same with mine; once a month to keep gas from evaporating in the carb…
@@Luigi-pk8mk when I shut off my generator I shut off the fuel and let it run the carb dry before putting it away in the shop. The, all I have to do is turn the fuel back on and start it. I don’t let it have a chance to let the gas gum up the carb through evaporation.
@@johnclarke6647
I think I’ll start doing that as well.
I finally found a gas station not too far from where I live that sells straight gas (non ethanol) so I’m going to start buying from them
@@Luigi-pk8mk I get premium non ethanol. I like Briggs and Stratton AFT or 5 in1 fuel treatment when I can find them at a reasonable price. I use one ounce per gallon of gas. I have some five gallon containers full of gas for my generator that are at least three years old and still are fine to use. After five years, I pour it into one of the cars and use it that way, refilling with fresh stabilized gas.
Some knuckle head tried to drive the float pivot pin out with a hammer while the opposite end was on/against something like a steel vise and now both ends are mushroomed and will require some dremel grinding to remove the mushroomed ends to be able to remove the pin to access the needle and seat which seem to have excess restriction when open and trying your blow through it. It does however seat and seal off when positioned to do so.
Hi james this generator looks to be a well made one ,looks like you got a good one ,thank you for sharing the carburetor problems you are a good teacher cheers dean from the uk
For future videos it would be helpful for me if you could identity the engine age, that is, the date of manufacture. Thanks for all of the advice.
Few things...
1) pick up a set of paint gun cleaning brushes from HF if you haven’t already. It’s an Assortment of sizes that work well for cleaning emulsion passage.
2) mixture screw (black capped): snip off stops and remove and clean passages before the drills come out. Slow gen down to idle speed and adjust screw (do not have an electrical load on it during this) Usually 1/2-1 more turn out will correct the surging even at high rpm on these carbs.
Thanks. Will check it out on my next run to Harbor Freight. Once I tried removing the plastic and the whole jet broke in two. Been a little gun shy since.
James Condon no need to remove plastic cap. Just snip off stop with small side cutters and screw out. Then you can remove cap if you want. But you’ll have to slot it for a screwdriver. The tougher mixture screws are on the hondas and clones. These are metal caps and yeah you have to be careful grinding/cutting the stop off. First step is just remove stop, then turn out screw and then try removing tamper proof cap.
You can use a heat gun to loosen the epoxy and pull off the cap with pliers.
I need a set of wire gage drill bits too. Was unable to get the smallest wire I had pulled from a small HarborFreight wire brush to pass all the way through my pilot jet.
Preserved me a set of wire gage drill bits a few days later. Got them in a couple days ago. Hope to try clearing the pilot jet after I get me a small pen vise to use with the drills.
Looks like my very old Coleman Powermate 5,000 watt generator with 8hp B&S Vanguard engine mine is a 185432 model engine
Hi James congrats on subs, it has really increased like crazy
i can get a 5,5 hp vanguard on a power generator , theres no scratch on it, looks pretty new , hasnt started the past 5 years, price is 100 euros, good deal ? thank you, regards
What kind of cleaning solution are using in you ultrasonic cleaner? Thanks for the video, it was helpful.
Hello James, what are you setting the idle mixture screw on these? I'm at 5,200 ft elevation. The Mikuni carb was really nasty from sitting so long. I've cleaned the pilot which wasn't bad but the main jet on the side was totally clogged. Had it running on carb cleaner and wanted to Idle on its own. Think it's the idle mixture screw. Was about 1 turn 1/4-1/2. Needs more with 10% ethanol fuel... I had fuel with about 1 ft of fuel hose with a funnel trying to test it since the tank is nasty.. Not sure if it's enough gravity (lb/pressure) for the carb. Same engine 297cc 9 HP Vanguard. Thank you.
Like great movies, I usually have a pretty good idea how it's going to end, but love watching anyway.
Glad you enjoyed it
Good video. One point never start or stop a generator with electrical load applied, your risking damaging the alternator. Start it, get it running smoothly without choke then plug in electrical loads and switch on.
I agree, but that recommendation is more to protect the things plugged into it. A 70 watt light bulb will not cause damage.
@@jcondon1 my mistake I thought you started it with the fan heater on
Hi , nice video!!
Need to know how the oil module guard connection to switch are is it. BTW your generator are pretty clean!! 👌
I just had the carb off of my really old Coleman Powermate 5000. The pilot jet was badly clogged or restricted. I do NOT have any wire gage drill bits. All I had were Wires pulled from a medium and quite small(toothbrush) sized HF wire brush. I could not get the smallest wire to pass lengthwise through the pilot jet. It was late at night and I couldn’t find anything wire size that was smaller. Also the needle seat while working appears quit restricted when trying to blow through it with the float hanging down or inverted and lifting up on the float to open the needle seat area. It does shut off. Also, someone before me had tried to remove the float pivot pin apparently with a small punch while the other side of the pin was resting against a metal surface probably their vise jaw. And, as any novice mechanic knows more force/ hitting the punch harder with the hammer is the first law f mechanicing. Now both ends of the pivot pin are mushroomed beyond the carb body hinge holes and I could not even rotate the pin with needle nose vice grips so the pin may be bent or slightly enlarged inside the carb body hinge hole for the float pivot pin. Probably going to try using a dremel to remove the mushroom area to see if it can be removed with punch or drift and hammer. If I have to buy a carb, are the aftermarket carbs on Amazon at $15-16 worth the attempted savings over a stated to be OEM Briggs & Stratton carb for $34-36? And, if there is a good aftermarket d you know which one is best? The engine is a B&S Vanguard 9 Hp model 185432 and while I didn’t include it here I do have a picture of the complete engine number.
I googled what diameter is a 66 wire gage drill bit do now I know what diameter wire or drill bit 0.033. Inches I should be able to get to add through that jet.
Great video as always James! Learning a lot about generators. 👍👍. I really have to get an ultrasonic cleaner, lol.
Love your videos and your down to earth repairs. I wish I could find one generator to repair for cheap, how do you find so many! Many thanks for all you do.
Thanks. I think it is due to my proximity to NYC. A lot a money and people buying things that they do not know how to take care of. When I travel down to North Caroline to visit family I always look and find nothing. Think people there know how to take care of their power equipment.
@@jcondon1 what's in your cleaner? Is that Mr. Clean?
Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty Degreaser
Excellent video James. Thanks 👍👍👍
Thanks
Hi again James,
As I was burning through all your videos I thought I saw one of them with this particular model generator/engine combination. I just picked up a non-running example vintage 1999. Owner had it up for $50 but it sat there for several months before I asked and when I got there he said "it doesn't run just get it out of here". I said at least I can buy you lunch and gave him a $20. Nice guy.
Problem is it rotates about 359 degrees, in both directions and stops. "Clunk". Piston is moving. Popped the cover and flywheel off thinking it was hitting the magneto. Nope. Valves move, intake less so. Could a valve be stuck open and clapping the piston? I'll pressurize the cylinder as I've seen you do so many times and see if i get flow at TDC. Head would be next I guess.
Might be hitting a valve. Spray some wd40 in the cylinder, see if that helps.
By any chance do you know the part number for carburetor overhaul?
Need the cup gasket for the screw at the bottom. I’m leaking gas
James.....just out of curiosity. What brand of fuel/ethanol treatment do you use? I use Sta.bil marine ethanol fuel treatment. I've had very good luck with with it. I rotate my fuel supply every four months and never had any stale fuel problems. As you suggested I have always run my carbs dry.
I use Stabil (not the marine one). Never had any issues. I swap my fuel out every 6 months and always run the carb dry. Actually I have a bowl drain, so do that instead to get every drop out.
@@jcondon1 Thank you.
I notice you torque most bolts on a typical repair. Do you have a general torque setting for most bolts other than specific items such as the head bolts. Just curious. Thanks for all your teaching!!
Most 10 mm bolts I tighten to 60 in lbs.
I’ve got one of these in my shop driving me crazy. It had old gas in it. The gas was just old and yellow. It hadn’t caramelized or anything that bad. I got the carb spotless. Drained and dried the tank and fuel lines. New fuel filter. New spark plug. It cranks right up and runs but it has a stutter or miss every few seconds. I replaced the carb, still the same thing. That tells me it’s probably a fire issue. Tomorrow I’m going to do a cylinder leak down test and a compression test just for the hell of it but then I’m going to start testing fire. I’ll unplug the kill wire and see if that does anything. If that doesn’t stop the miss it may be a coil problem. Do you have any advice on anything else it could be. Thanks
That is a hard one to diagnose. Think you are going in the right direction. If you choke it a little does the miss go away? If not then maybe the coil, a valve adjustment or may a leaky valve. If it goes away, then running lean still.
@@jcondon1 I tested that first. It doesn’t surge like it’s not getting enough gas. It basically runs great with a weird stumble. I’ve been doing small engines for years. I usually hit it, fix it, boom I’m done but this thing is testing me. It looks brand new. The man that owns it bought it new. Used it once, then put it in his garage for a long time. He said when he used it it ran perfectly. Hell it was new. I’ll do more tests on it tomorrow
I’m a really big fan of the older vanguard engines. I have like 4 of them sitting in my garage for future projects. Now everything is so cheap, Made in China Honda knockoff engines.
Yes, love the Vanguard. Briggs in general. You can always get part. The China stuff, they will not even put their name on it, never mind parts.
James Condon yep very easy to get parts. And very good engines.
I am used to the old carbs. Does this one have an emulsion tube?
Witch way do you put the carburetor spacer with the arrow face ing witch way thank you
James, you mentioned elsewhere that you sell on Ebay. How do we find your site? Tried your name, no dice. Ill be looking for the airbox, or something that will work, on the ProGen 5000. I've seen you make things work that may be the original design, any suggestions?
Question: Why when you are doing a carb cleaning.. you rarely pull the emulsion tube & clean it?
Some are not removable like the Mikuni's found on the Subaru engines. I try to pull them when possible, but do forget the emulsion tube sometimes and usually that comes back to haunt me. I definitely recommend removing it and cleaning when possible.
Nice fix
Hey James on that Vanguard generator, I have one just like it ,the same engine, when I set the governor on it do I push it all the way to the left? or to the right? and then turn the top adjustment to the left? I'm having problems trying to get it to the right idle, just wanting to idle high!?
You need a tachometer to measure RPM or multimeter to measure hertz. Back the two screws out. Move the throttle to set at 3690 rpm no load or 61.5 hertz no load. Drive the set screws in to lock the throttle in place.
WHAT CLEANING FLUID DO YOU USE IN YOUR CLEANER? THANKS AGAIN FOR A GREAT VIDEO
Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty Degreaser
Great video!!! Thanks so much master...
I hope you agree with this video too th-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/w-d-xo.html this is really what people needs to know about using portable generators
I am almost certain I bought my Coleman Powermate 5000 back in the early 90’s but not sure.
I noticed you often use a torque wrench. Where do you find the settings for so many parts on so many models of so many brands?
I have a lot of service manuals for generators with 6 to 18 hp engines and many have very similar specs. Unless it is a vital part like the connecting rod, head, sump, etc I use the values that are fairly common for carburetors, blower housing, valve covers.
Any idea on where to find a replacement seal/gasket for where the carb mount? Took my carb off and the seal was cracking so I peeled it off. Haven't found an exact one but imagine could just be custom cut in a couple minutes?
Would take a look at the parts diagram. I do not know your engine number, but most likely the gaskets from this model would work www.partstree.com/models/185432-0606-e1-briggs-stratton-horizontal-engine/
@@jcondon1 it's kind of insane that an overhaul kit costs $112...I just looked it up and Advanced Auto sells sheets of the gasket material. I should be able to easily make a new one with a stencil made from cardboard and a box cutter.
Question, the idle mixture screw has the limiter on it, is it possible to adjust it further without the limiter cap?
Yes, but getting it off is an issue. Have tried a few times and it always ended in that screw breaking.
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Well I was able to pry mine off after thinking about it for a while without it breaking and used a needle nose pliers to turn it just enough to stop the surging. Guess I was lucky!
PS love your vids!
Most towns accept waste oil but how do people typically deal with disposal of old gas or with gas with water?
My town collects bad gas twice a year. That said I only save the worst for recycling. I always run it through a coffee filter and run it in my lawn mower or car. If it has water, just pour the gas into a clear bottle. Let the water settle to the bottom. Pour the gas off the top into a gas can and the rest goes to recycling.
Thank you very much. I just rebuilt a Nikki carb in a 10 year old elite series Briggs generator for a family member last month and am happy it starts first pull now. I have since enjoyed especially a number of your Nikki rebuilds and related to what you were doing part by part. It was great confirmation.
What was that critter by the rocks in the background 0:07
Great job. I have that exact generator.
If you can find chevron Synchron with Techron SPRAY carb cleaner it is amazing. You can probably find Synchron with Techron fuel system cleaner but it is not as good as the Synchron with Techron carb cleaner
The choke lever: Is choke to the left or the right?
I think choke is to the left
At least the air filter was clean, LoL
That generator looks exactly like my Briggs & Stratton emergency generator 5250 Watt same setup same everything I'm having problems with it trying to start ,I pull on it ,I cleaned the carburetor it helped , but it takes me a lot of pulls to start and I still haven't adjusted the valves on it ,remember I'm the one that runs it all the time or should I say now semi full time, I'm running off grid pretty much, can you give me some suggestions about why it's not wanting to start you think it might be flooding ?and also a vowel adjustment? And also I guess I need to replace the spark plug I'm sure ,I cleaned it but it's got a lot of usage on it.
It's almost never the spark plug, but a new one cannot hurt. Pull the engine over slowly. When you hit the compression stroke the engine should not advance without a lot more force. If you can pull through the compression easily, then might need to adjust the valves or lap them. Ideally you would to a compression test or better a leak down test to find out where things are at. How does it run once started? If good, can you load it up close to the max and does the engine stay above 58 hertz? If not, then might have a compression issue requiring a valve adjustment or the valves to be lapped.
You must have really awful gas in the US. Over here in Germany, you can leave gas in a tank for years and nothing happens, although we have up to 10% ethanol in our fuel.
V-G-Z huh?
@@Jim-ie6uf Yes, you heard right.
Do you mind if I ask you what is it that you put into your Sonic cleaner when you are cleaning carburetors?
I normal use Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty Degreaser.
@@jcondon1 thank you for answering my question. I actually have two gallons of that in my garage. Again thank you and I enjoy watching all your videos.
So on the side of the carb there is a screw with a plastic black cap that can be turned only 1/2 turn total. 1/4 in or 1/4 out. Anyone know what it is and where it should be set?
I would have bet it was one of the pilot jet passages that was still partially to completely blocked.
Hey nice job !
Thanks
Where can I buy the carburetor for one of this
Very good
What do you use in the sonic bath cleaner?
Another good video.
Here’s a great video th-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/w-d-xo.html
For setting the engine speed, why don't you instead set the engine to 60Hz while at 1/2 LOAD? It seems to me that setting the engine speed to 61Hz at NO LOAD (no useable power consumption anyway) you run a higher risk of yielding low frequency under max load conditions.
That would also work. Just need to make sure the engine is not running too fast when unloaded.
Where did you buy your sonicator cleaner and what solution do you use to clean parts?
Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty Degreaser
Generator safety th-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/w-d-xo.html please be alert
I've watched a lot of your videos and noticed that you don't always show cleanup of the emulsion tube. Do you just leave it in on some or is it just something that you don't film? In my experience over the years, every carburetor that I've serviced that had junk in the bowl also had a gunked up emulsion tube. Love your videos, have learned a good bit about the electrical part from you. Keep up the great vids!
Thanks. I have issues with the emulation tube. Some are not removable, but too often find myself skipping over it just to come back to it when its not running right. Not sure what the mental block is, but been making it a point recently to get them out because they are usually a mess.
BTJ there isn’t anything to it provided you can get it out. Some don’t come out, be careful.
Have fun, it’s a hobby to me. I turned 63 , 3 weeks ago, it took me a long time to realize I can’t get too worked up. Some come out, some don’t. , it
Enjoy working on them, , that’s the point.
If you have a portable generator, you really need to watch this video about generator safety th-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/w-d-xo.html this is not a joke. Everyone really needs to know this. A lot of people think they are safe but they are not. I’m just being helpful. And I hope you find this video helpful and please like and leave comments if you like.
It is surprising how people treat these fairly expensive end sensitive machines. They are not built like cars just because like cars they have a combustion engine. These machines have no protection of the mechanical parts and must be stored and used in a barn or shed of some kind. I think all sellers should inform the buyers of that.
What is the pilot jet?
I got the same one ...Cant get it to power up ? tryed ever thing ? new carb ? new head? new plugs ? check the timing ? Nothing.. runs makes power ? but choke or full power runs like it deseling smell like raw gas ,,same RPMs ?????
Sounds like it is running rich. Is the carb OEM or a clone? Did the original carb have the same issue? Have you done a compression test? This link is to a generator I worked on recently that was running rough (rich) due to an improperly jetted clone carb. th-cam.com/video/yq0-o7PpFX0/w-d-xo.html
@@jcondon1 clone carb.. i going to order a niki carb try that. it was all a part when i got it ?? was missing the carb and a push rod was bend ? so i had a head from a pressure washer ? that was good.. And i check the pistion and cylinder for wear ? that was Okay ? put a new head gasket on ? and still it dont respond on choke or any thing run flat ...One speed ? Valve are set right ? thanks james
cowboy0140 make sure you lookup the correct carb based on the engine model and code. Hope that fixes your issue. Let me know how you make out.
Penetrating oil in the fuel inlet to free up the needle?
I have tried that in the past without much success. I am sure if I gave it enough time it would work. This time I used pliers to twist is out.
Thank you very much for the video. You nailed it! Exactly what was wrong with mine. Just in time with winter blowing in.
Glad it helped!
A++++
who the frig downvotes a video like this~?
Morons who gave away their non working generators for free
@@sbains560 ha,,, good one
WD-40 will start a 2 stroke DON’T recall if I’ve ever tried it on a 4 stroke
I have tried based on comments that it would. It did not :(
@@jcondon1 it will definitely run a 2 stroke outboard Motor.
A popular brand fuel stabilizer makes the claim that it is effective to correct a no-start situation. Have you ever tried it in such a situation? I've never used the product; I don't believe any of its claims.
I have tried for slight hunting/surging issues, but they did not work. Best way to fix is to take the carburetor apart and clean it.
PowerMate is horrible for not having replacement parts. Unfortunately I have 2 pieces of their equipment.
Yes, every powermate I have worked on parts are pretty much not available.
hi eveyrone, what other stuff i can buy appart from kill a watt brand ? this thing is overpriced