Westinghouse Generator Will Not Start - Rusted Gas Tank - Carburetor Cleaning
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- This generator looks new from the outside. However the inside of the gas tank is in bad shape. The battery is dead and the carburetor gummed up.
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Try swapping the outlet leads - KillAwatt meter to the other phase. That canister may have been for CARB in California EPA emissions.
What!!!!????You didn’t add a fuel filter in the fuel line? Can’t believe you painted that brand new tank. But I guess I would have to. By the way where in the world do you get all of these almost new machines that just have gas problems?
Fuel pre-filter is at the fuel fill and filter inside the tank at the fuel outlet. Generac uses a 3rd one on the fuel line, but that is overkill. Lawn mowers use no fuel filters... Not sure. Have not found one in a while. Been doing a lot of engine work recently.
At construction supply business or home depot, get a gallon of muriatic acid, and let soak in tank. It is a mild concentration, used to clean up concrete. Tanks, can also be resealed, after de rusting, using RED COAT, a tank sealer. Usually, you just do the bottom half of the tank, where most corrosion and rust occurs.....
My Snapper lawn mower doesn't like gas with ethanol. Stabill doesn't help and I think the gas is causing my generator problem too. The ethanol may be too high and the gas quality too cheap. I drained the gas out of the mower and put unleaded with no ethanol in it. It runs like a champ.
Jim, it looks like you might need to mow the grass!
MIGHT POSSABLY WITH A AC OUTPUT LIKE IT IS SUPOSED TO WITH MABY A DC COMPONENT CORN-FUZNG THE KILL A WATT
every tank I see you working on, it seems the cap area is manufactured as indented downward for water to build up. These things sit in bad weather conditions when running, so WHY aren’t they redesigning the shapes of these tanks where the tops aren’t holding water?
I agree, some are designed properly but most are not. Have seen lots of bad design on these machines. The best I think was the Ryobi 5500 watt. Where you tip the generator almost 70 degrees to move it placing the carburetor sideways over the hot exhaust. Does not seem like a good idea, would think you would have a problem if any fuel dripped out of the carb.
Crappy looking fuel line. I always shut the fuel valve off after i'm doing using my generator then just let it run out of gas cause it's usually a while before i use it again and also give it a good dose of seafoam whenever i put gas in it
Did you consider a plastic replacement gas tank?
65CSX no. Have not seen any, plus would need a heat shield between the tank and engine if changing to plastic.
I have a Westinghouse WGen7500 I bought new in 2018. Yesterday after running for several hours over 2 days I needed to add gas. I only use Ethanol free gas in my equipment. I filled the tank and tried starting it . Cranked but no start. It was warm so shouldn't have needed to be choked. I manually held choke closed to try starting, cranked no start. It is dual fuel so I hooked up propane and it started. I switched back to gas and it runs. If I shut it off and try starting on gas it won't start. I though it might be problem with spark plug so replaced the LG F7TC plug with an Autolite 63. That did not fix the problem, still have to start on propane and switch to gas. I have another problem in that it running at 63Hz producing 116 volts. I've watched many of your videos, this one popped up after looking at many Westinghouse videos. Do you know how to adjust the unit to get it's Hz to 60 and increase it's voltage from 116 to 120?
I have that same generator, except it has Duramax as the manufacturer. Different control panel is all, and mine is dual fuel. Will never see gasoline in the tank if I can help it.
Those Kill-A-Watt are junk. just bought a clone that is way more accurate than the Kill-A-Watt ever was.
Just found your channel. You are Mustie1, Smallenginemechanic, 805roadking, and Tayrl fixes all, rolled into one.
Well I like them all. No VW's here, or tooth problems. I try to keep my generators to under 300 lbs. Smallenginemechanic is into some serious equipment. Yes it is junk, but good enough to provide a visual most of the time for people watching. But not in this case.
Great work. What torque do you use on the carbs. Thanks for the detailed info
60 in/lbs. sometimes a little less if a smaller engine.
That motor also looks like a predator 420cc from Harbor Freight...
It is! I worked on one of these a while back, it had the same company name and ID marks as a predator. The owner was very proud of his $899 "name brand" generator. I didn't have the heart to tell him he paid like 200 bucks for the stickers and paint.
why do you get so much water in your fuel where you live?
That's a CARB complaint Gen..
The Kilowatt meter is a toy compared to most any reasonable VOM with frequency counting.
It is definitely a low end device, but works most of the time.
@@jcondon1 Yep, I bet if you had an o-scope on it, there was probably some noise on the line that the KillAWatt was picking up and throwing off your count. Probably marginal filtering in the genny. Can't beat the ears sometimes. ;)
James, where do you get your wire probes you use to clean the carbs?
Amazon amzn.to/3jsGizX , amzn.to/3Yu8iC6. The pilot jets I clean using a wire from a wire brush amzn.to/3lePSXk
@@jcondon1 thank you!
nice job, did you replace the original fuel line or it really didn't need it
James Kmenta Thanks. Yes it was replaced.
Have you seen those kits with the carbs on e bay there dual fuel run propane or gas they look so cool i wanna get a kit propane last for ever so if ya run outta gas you just switch over sounds like a great idea what do ou think about the kits ever seen them ???
I have seen them, but never tried one or picked up one that runs on propane (probably because they work!). It is better then gas, but the generator will not make as much power and you will need a large propane source.
@@jcondon1 hi yea i seen them here on y/t they do loose some power not a lot though and it is a bit harder on the valves they say but that stuff lasts for ever so u can store a bunch incase you run outta gas . You can get the carbs from ebay there like 100 bucks then just get a regulator for the bottle and u can run bolth its a great idea i think.
do weze makes ok batterys ?. as looking for a battery, for a generator i got today.
Worked fine for me, but not sure how they hold up over time.
@@jcondon1 thanks i give it a try
I’ve been searching for a carburetor rebuild kit for this model and I’m not having any luck! Do you know where I might find one?
Would look for Honda GX390 carburetor rebuild kits. Otherwise most Honda GX390 clone carburetors will work.
Your lawn needs some attention
Another example of ethanol related damage.
75Hz, alarm clock is going to wake you extra early! ;)
Yeah. Time to put the meter on it and see where she's running at.
I just bought a Westinghouse gen 7000/ 9500 it looks different that that one i have the remote start option also . I really love this gen its very nicely built .
How many company’s make generators ? Sounds like there are hundreds of company’s that all company’s make generators and all have trouble with the fule systems or carberator ishues ! If you could make a simple carberator that doesn’t get gummed you could make a fortune ! Good luck James if anyone with your knowledge or experience would worke on it good luck iAndrew try I’m shure you could do it !
Nice work, I put my carb parts in a plastic zip lock bag with a solution of purple power and water, then into the ultra sonic cleaner if the carb is really dirty, Works great and saves cleaning the ultra sonic cleaner so often. Also I usually have to drill out the idle circuit jet with a mini drill set and open it up about one or two thousands to stop surgiing. Thanks for the video's.
Do you mind mentioning what ultrasonic cleaner hardware you use? I see the one that James uses on Amazon for $79 US; just curious what others are using.
@@gregorypeterschmidt620 i got a 3l ultrasonic cleaner from eBay. It cleans carburetors pretty good just using a few drops of dawn dishsoap and water
I am learning a lot with your videos ... thank you thank you very much .... 😁😁👍👍👍👍👍
That's Westinghouse gen looks like my Predator 9000 in design. Probably same Chinese company made them both.
My experience has been good so far with the Predator.
Going to convert mine to natural gas before winter though.
Thanks for the video.
yep looks like mine too! I have had my predator for over 9 years. Starts on first pull all the time! Used it yesterday to power some tools.
"something a little odd with the waveform"........Yeah, its a westinghouse. That brand has became pure trash. Nothing but a name anymore.
I don’t know about that. my brother has a ton of fairly new Westinghouse power equipment and he’s taking care of them and they lasted a long time. So either you havent been lucky or havent been taking care of the equipment, or the previous owners never took care of the equipment.
Thanks for this...I have the same exact generator.... never given me a bit of trouble ever, I change the fuel twice a year spring and fall and run for half an hour every other month. Oh and no rust in my tank.....take care of your equipment folks! Good job.
I do the same. My Honda has a steel tank. Its gotta be 14 years old at this point and still like new. I change the fuel also twice a year.
@@jcondon1 , good stuff my man, we're on the same page... pay now or pay later, truth!
@@jcondon1 Great video. I have a slightly bigger model but the same workings. I use trufuel. Its been a year, drained it and no rust. Six months sounds better but no issues. Starts, runs, generates power. No frequency issues but not the cleanest waveform on a scope compared to others. Small battery scopes are $50. Ebay DSO150. No kilowatt meter problems. Thanks to your videos someday I will dive into the carburetor. On another one I have a minor drip on the nut at the fuel tank outlet. Did you use tape or anything around the thread?
Is there anything you can mix with the fuel to prevent tank from rusting.?
Fresh fuel will keep the tank from rusting. Otherwise if you drain the tank then put some two stroke oil in the tank of maybe spray WD-40
I have a dual fuel champion generator that iron exclusively on propane. It has a metal fuel tank and I was wondering if there’s anything I should put in that fuel tank to keep any rust from developing. Your shows are always so informative and I know you must take a lot of time and setting everything up. It’s like a college class every time. So, thank you very much for your extraordinarily instructive videos.
Maybe a surge from a high voltage output from a generator killed the killawatt?? I was testing a genny before purchasing it and i had my killawatt plugged into a power board. Luckily i had a surge protected board as the friggin voltage and frequency were sky high and blew the surge protector. Maybe worthwhile having a protected board to protect the killawatt??
Maybe, I will test it out on something else and see if it works at all anymore.
@@jcondon1 yeah, i had a inverter generator that was putting out over 350hz on the killawatt, but the killawatt was showing 50 hz on the mains, so definitely a crook card in the generator. Strange, but the generator was outputting 240 v exactly (we are 50 hz, 240 volt down under) but crazy frequency. It even powered the 500w quartz lamp fine, as frequency has no effect on the current draw of resistive loads.
Hey Jim
I saw in a previous comment, that you shared an email address (Gmail).
I have a broken storm responder generator, and I was wondering if you could help me diagnose what the problem could be.
I sent you an email with a brief video showing the starter and how it is spinning with little to no resistance.
I was hoping you might have a moment to take a look and help me out.
Your videos are really amazing, and I really appreciate how thorough you are!
Thanks!
Let me know what you find.
Why didn't you paint the fuel tank blue like what you took off? If you are selling this generator, you should put the correct battery on it. The one you pulled off was a 14ah and you replaced it with a 12ah. That would allow you to get the terminal designation correct also.
Darn ethanol gas will get you every time.
Yeah, it's too bad that you didn't have a scope at this time. It would have been interesting to see if the sine was was good or had some odd issue.
Gotta give you a fail for painting the tank
i just got a new westinghouse it looks different then that though maybe mine is a 7500 \ 9500 i love it though n its heavy as hell took 3 of us to get it up my stairs to my porch lol .
Harbor freight sells hose pliers that make taking off rubber lines a lot easier. Mustie1 showed them on one of his episodes.
Will check it out on my next trip.
Yes, the HF hose pliers are a bit pricey but work better than normal pliers or needle nose.
i have this generator, it has been a good one, nice and quiet and starts easy, I added an rpm gauge to the side of it with hour meter and also did a propane conversion so i can run both. i am pretty anal about draining the tank and the bowl after every use if i use gas. its the only gen i seen that uses forged internals.
Those really have forged internals? How do the engines compare to Honda's?
@@endutubecensorship i found this online but i remember it said forged internals on the box. Westinghouse generator start system
Starting it requires only pressing the one-touch electric start system, and it also comes with an LCD display for the hour meter.
The three-position electric start makes it easy to operate. It also comes with a Comfort Grip manual recoil handle, compression release, and transistorized ignition.
Noise
The noise it produced is significantly reduced by the Pulse-Flo muffler.
Construction
The construction includes an overhead valve design, cast iron cylinder sleeves, and forged pistons and connecting rods.
The construction is all-steel and the electrical connections are fully enclosed.
The Automatic voltage regulation offers precise and dependable power.
Additional safety is provided by the cast iron fan guard.
You get two 120 volt push button circuit breakers for over current protection along with a toggled mainline 240 volt circuit breaker.
The quarter-turn Nema twist lock connector also gives a secure connection for available power cord and other devices.
Easy maintenance is guaranteed by the maintenance-free brush excitation.
As always, very nice!
Two things: did the vinegar thing work?
And, minor point, where did the gennie come from?
I know its an old video but wondering if you can help identify code P-00 on a WGEN9500DF. I cant find a reference anywhere other than general maintenance codes.
James where do you go to get parts for the Generators you work on?
A lot of times eBay and Amazon because sellers there usually have the part in hand.
I had a similiar Westinghouse and I think the fuel rusted the chain and top which left residual rust on the tank. I drained the tank with a pump and cleaned the inside of the tank. Put fresh fuel in and I have not had any dirty fuel come through. Will adding a fuel filter to this help project the Carb in the future? I now run it every two weeks for about 10 minutes in winter and every 30 days in summer to keep the battery charged. Thanks for your videos. I did not take the tank off because the wired fuel line did not want to pull off and at the time I was going to need it shortly for storms.
I have the same generator and have never had a problem. I've used it maybe 4 times over the past 6 years. I put stabil in after using and run the fuel out and then it sits in my garage, sometimes for a couple of years. One question is, if the battery goes dead how is it recharged? Do you pull start the generator with the battery still hooked up and does it recharge that way?
Thanks
@Jcondon, I have the new WGen 9500df and am concerned about the
James, I love your videos and have learned much, so with that in mind, its time for some payback. To fix a rusty gas tank, you should use Phosphoric Acid. The phosphoric acid will exchange electrons with the Iron Oxide and convert the Iron Oxide (rust) into Iron Phosphate. It does turn light gray (or sometimes dark gray) when the conversion is complete, but that Iron Phosphate will form a crystaline protective coating on any rusted steel. This coating will prevent the tank from rusting again in that spot. Phosphoric acid is sold under various names like Naval Jelly and there's even an "Iron Out" product for water softeners that's pretty high concentration and very inexpensive. Simply apply the Phosphoric acid, let sit for 10 minutes, and rinse with water. It won't rust again. Your entire car is dipped in it when its manufactured so prevent rust.
And for those with Iron in their well water, diluted Phosphoric Acid will almost instantly remove the orange rust stains in your showers.. Just spray it on, wait 5 minutes and rinse it off.. No stains left.
And gardens love phosphorous. Neutralize with a bit of baking soda and water your plants to get huge tomatoes.
This comment is full of good vibes. Thanks mate!
Thank you for information and advice
Merry Christmas 😊
I would not be comfortable selling that one to a customer without seeing the output waveform on a scope. There is something screwy with that output waveform with the two meters disagreeing on the frequency. Somebody is going to plug in some sensitive electronic device (especially one with a switching power supply) and find their device is fried! What happened to the scope you have shown us before, especially on brushless generators?
I just clean a snap-on with the same carburetor and happened the same to me when starts the engine and took the choke off it started surging, in my case was the filter and filter case, when i installed the filter case and filter back, booom the surging gone.
That's what I saw the first time when you started it and it didn't have the filter on.
Thanks again James your videos are very professional you put alot of thought into what you do . Your a great teacher and your voice is very calming and easy to listen too unlike many other TH-cam channels .
Yes! The camera work is immaculate!
Mine is very quiet to its crazy and its a big darn engine .
Hi James. At least some AVRs use a full wave bridge rectifier (4 diodes) to excite the rotor. It could be that one of the 4 is out. This would cause a strange output waveform.
Yeah, I would have at least popped the cover off of the power end of it and had a good look, maybe checked a few things out...
In case of gas tank plastic application is very much recommended! Regular gas contains ethanol, or water/ethanol mix to be exact. And bare steel tank inside is good rust fodder. And jet clogging source is revealed!
Where do you find these neglected gens?
Craigslist and fb marketplace is loaded with small equipment that’s broken and for sale for cheap.
It's red white and blue!
Jim I bought some real small carb cleaning brushes on ebay Only a few bucks and really good for car passages.
I’ve had great luck with the universe fuel tank on EBay
Some can’t be clean and need to be replaced
How many times have you been 'inoculated' by those thin regulator arm springs?
James - during the shutdown I have watched many of your vids and those of Mustie1. It seems to me these small engine carburetors are the weakest link...why do we not come up with fuel injection for these things?
Thanks
Some do have that now. The Honda EU7000i has it and for a while Ryobi was making one. Think it just comes down to cost. People tend to buy what costs less. Being that most small engine have carburetors the manufactures should at least put bowl drains on them all. Some do, but a lot still omit that.
I would think you'd still have the same blockage problems beefcake the fuel tends to sit fire long periods between use. Maybe propane or natural gas conversions are the answer.
I always enjoy how you clean tanks, since that's a problem for me. Thanks for the tip on Apple Cider. I usually use Evapo-Rust.
Evapo-Rust works much better.
instaBlaster...
The best way to clean a any fuel tank is white vinegar and baking soda it's works every time
Can you run into that Michael Moore professional use the vacuum caps nylon vacuum cab the rubber vacuum cap
No ethanol gas!
I have a tank looks like the one you have. Bad design on fill area . Rain will pass right into the tank . Neck need the be higher
Yes. I have seen that also on a bunch of others where a pool or water will form around the cap and actually cover the cap. Very bad design. Even worse on a metal tank.
Built a rain cover for mine.
Hey James
Your videos are really great, Your description and explanations are clear and easy to follow (even for someone that doesn't work with motors on a daily basis).
I have a Briggs and Stratton Storm Responder that stopped working the other day.
When i pull the starter, is feels like there is no resistance on the shaft (rotor?).
Do you have any thoughts? I can send you a video of the starter being pulled if that helps.
I really appreciate your help!
Thanks
I always drive the extra 2 miles to go to the Sunoco to get alcohol free gas!
Wish that was an option here. It is available, but closer to a 40 minute drive.
@@jcondon1 ouch!
Are there any generators that are equipped with plastic or stainless fuel tanks?
On generators 3250 watts and above, most are metal. The only ones I see that are plastic are most Briggs and Stratton storm responsers and some Husky models. Generac tanks are metal, but usualy hold up better then most.
@@jcondon1 You're awesome, dude, thanks for the info!
Wish they all were plastic tanks
That gasoline cap looks SCARY!
Inside that tank looks S C A R Y .
Why would cider vinegar be better than plain old white distilled vinegar?
Really enjoy your videos……..PS your son is a ham……in a good way
Corn gas
Had this same issue when cleaning out the carb on my generac. Make sure you put the air filter on before testing.
Where are all the viewers and subscribers? This is one of the best channels out there. What can I do to help you?
Thanks. Just get the word out, watch and comment.
I have a Pulsar G12KBN It is the same as WGEN9500DF How can't find illustrated parts break break down. They show lots of photo's and that is it. Thank you
Looks to be a 15hp Honda clone engine. Most manufactures that use Honda clone engines do not have parts diagrams or parts. That said most Honda GX390 or GX399 clone parts will fit, but it is a little bit of a guessing game.
Chinese made falls to bits in your hands lol
I like how you fix things good job
Another win. A suggestion: they sell little rubbery screw end covers at hardware stores that would make that vent cap look better.
Or "vacuum caps" typically available in an assortment at auto parts stores.
James, you are my new generator guru! keep up that way ;) im planing to make small generator from gas trimmer engine and hoverboard motor :) thats why thanks for showing all this
Sounds great!
Can you get tanks for the Westinghouse inverter 2500 ?
My tank is rusted and I don’t know how to get the fuel pump - float out
Sorry, I do not know where to get parts for Westinghouse generators. Depending on how bad it is, would recommend you remove the tank and fill it with evaporust and let it soak for a week. The stuff works great.
Pls what's the name of the device containing some liquid for cleaning the components of the carberator
Ultrasonic cleaner
red white and blue.the all American Chinese generator.
My baldor generator has a gas tank with fuel stabilizer gunk on the bottom, how I would go about cleaning it?
Would get some of the gunk out and experiment by putting a little junk in different cups with different chemicals and see if you can find in one that will break it up. Acetone, gas, alcohol, etc. once you find something that works, let it soak in the tank for a bit. Shake it and remove the fuel petcock and drain. Spray water from the hose to get it all and let it dry in the sun.
"I wanna paint it black", or "I want it painted black"?
Do you ever just snip the solenoid pin if it’s not getting fuel?
vinceleto I have. Unfortunately the carbs I did that on were so bad I ended up replacing them anyway.
Looks like my Harbor Freight generator
If Apple cider vinegar works it will definitely be a lot cheaper.
Than evaporator rust
Amazing how many generators are treated so poorly
The funny thing is the person I purchased this from gave me a lecture on how to properly store it. The hole time I was thinking, "What happened then?"
That is funny and sad at the same time
I love your videos
Keep up the good work
I would suggest that you buy a hydraulic lift table it would be so much easier on your back and you will be able to work at eye level on some things
I’m really tall so I find this is the only way to go
Have a great day 😎
so is it just a crappy tank that rusted or user error (water in, cap not fully closed, etc, that cause the rust in the tank?
I am sure the tank was crappy, but user error is to blame. The ethanol in the fuel attracts water and eventually the water separates out causing the issue.
Westinghouse very quiet machine
The killawatt brand meter might have been reading goofy because the ac power the generator made was not a nice clean sine wave, might have a lot of harmonic distortion. A regular voltmeter with freq function probably wouldn't be affected. The distortion won't bother a resistive load like space heaters or light bulbs, but could play havoc with electronic devices.
White vinegar works best to clean tanks
Help please... I have just finished cleaning out an identical carburetor by following this ( well done) video. However, I find myself with an extra part. It's a tiny black rubber washer about 1/4 inch diameter. It can be seen for a brief moment at the 9:55 mark of the video, then not seen again. I can't remember/ figure out where it goes. I thought it seemed likely it would be part of the pilot jet configuration but the video doesn't seem to indicate that. Also , as instructed, I blew into the carburetor and listened for air. I heard air, so i'm thinking it is a missing seal? Thanks in advance for any help.
That o-ring goes on the fuel solenoid. You can see it at the 9:20 mark. If you hear air, then either the seat is dirty or you need a new needle. This one would most likely work amzn.to/2ZMxnyM
@@jcondon1 Thank you
WHO MAKES WESTINGHOUSE GENERATOR ENGINES THANKS WATCH ALL YOUR VIDEOS
It is a Chinese Honda clone. Not sure who makes it.
I live in a midtown Manhattan apartment. Why am I watching this lol?!?
Because you want to move out the city to become a prepper 🙂
I have watched quite a few of Mr Condons videos, and must say, that I am surprised at the way people treat these fairly expensive machines. People seem to think that these generators are like cars just because there is a combustion engine. But the generators are not like cars which can be put outside in the yard. The generators are not like cars which are built to withstand rain and snow and a fair amount of neglect, and yet can be expected to work well.