Generac WheelHouse Generator / Seized Briggs Engine - Will It Run?
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- Picked up this Generac WheelHouse generator for $25! The listing only stated that the engine did not run. Turned out to be more then the typical carburetor issue.
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Hi James, I'm a 68 year old, newly retired guy who was a trained auto repair tech as a young man then I spent 46 years running a retail grocery business. I never lost my love for mechanical repair and occasionally though engineering might have been my calling. So, I'm considering small engine equipment as a paying hobby. That's where you come in. I recently discovered your channel and frankly can't get enough of if. Some of your tendencies reflect that of an engineer You've already provided me some short cuts in the restoration of a toro snow blower and a Coleman Powermate generator. Thanks for what you do.
Really respect your cleanliness and attention to detail. A pleasure to watch. Great job👍🏻
Love your channel and Mustie1's. Learned enough to repair several small engine devices. Very professional explanation and thorough enough detail to take appropriate action. I don't do it for $$$ just helping others.
I watch Mustie1 too.
Thanks for explaining the stator check.
Great job!! Just like my generator🥰. Bought mine used.. Replaced the on/off switch and the sucker never let's me down !!!
Its a nice generator. Not much to go wrong as long as you have oil in it and keep the fuel fresh.
I didn't catch this last year I like the design. Briggs&Straton make tough engines. Take it back to the guy that gave it to you and tell him you will sell it to him even if he doesn't want to buy it he may know of someone that needs one. Thanks for sharing this video with us. Ed
One of the better repair Vids on youtube, Well done.
Thanks
This generator is actually one of the most reliable gens I have. I bought it in 2015 used on craigslist. Probably started it 3-4x throughout out the years. Didn't start it for a good 3yrs. Started after the second pull. I wont sell it b/c of this very reason. Simple motor and easy to repair. Absolutely love.
I like the 10hp Briggs. They have plenty of power and run well.
@@jcondon1 absolutely. I grew up loving brigs for its simplicity. If only they can make them more quiet - I’m not going to spend Honda money for a quiet motor 😅.
Getting the gen up on the bench you have a chain hoist to lift the machine up on to the work bench !
Thank you... I've got a Wheelhouse 5550 that's hard to start in cold weather and have not had the time to investigate... your video gives me things to check and should be an easy remedy...
I had one of these before I sold it. Pulled first start like yours. No complaints from it but it didn’t make for a good RV neighbor when camping. Thanks for the video
Great video James! All you need to do now is to tear the engine down, polish the aluminum from the crank journal, install a new connecting rod and you'll get several years of service out of this one. Or you can leave it as it is and use it until the connecting rod comes out. Nikki carbs are bad about leaking past the needle valve, if you don't replace it with a Walbro you'll probably gonna have a crankcase full of gas the next time someone forgets the fuel shutoff at the tank.
Great video, as always. From trash to a nice, tidy generator 👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
makes me not take my small engines for granted. Thanks for the show. 32 dislikes, must be jealous
Nice find James, good thing that breather hose wasn't connected to the airbox when that water gushed 😊
Love that tank they should all be made portable .
Great idea. Even has a handle. Will make refueling easy if you don't have a gas can.
Pretty smooth sleuthing on finding that kill switch grounding out on the test run... I was puzzling was it could be...
Hi James you were so lucky that it was not seized .A good call on your part mate, and you got a good gene out of it good video
Thanks Dean
little baby one today good for outdoor projects nice one today james
Excellent job! Another genset has a new lease on life!
I have the same one with the same problem, perfect video so now I feel I can work on mine.
Very patient and thoughtful approach. Learned a lot!
Thankful for your explanation
Wow, thought you had a free energy machine when it kept on running on a few shots of fluid. Never seen that before. Ha ha. Keep up with the videos, pure entertainment for a thinking mind.
What I wish was more companies would have quick disconnect tanks like this one. Seems like a good way to fill the tank And bring it back and put it on. Of course just when you need to the service station has no electricity to pump your gas unless you get there during the storm. I have cans full anyhow.
It was a good idea. I like the Ridgid I added the fuel pump to. Can just run a fuel line to any gas tank. The generator does not need its own gravity feed tank anymore.
Nice save, it could have gone either way, looks like it's got some life in it
Plenty of life left in it.
James ? Question do you sell the generators you fix and if so where can you buy one ?
I just bought a Generac Wheelhouse Generator. Cost me $250 the only problem that I am aware of is that the fuel line from the tank to the carb is broken and need replacement. The hose is old and One of the Quick connects is broken. I checked on line and the only source for these parts (Briggs & Stratton) want a tone of money for the parts. My question for you is would it be okay if I replaced the hoses and Quick Connects with parts available at home Depot or my nearest Hardware Store? I have been trying to catch up on all you videos there are a lot of them. I really appreciate what you do and in my case I think your videos help. I'll keep you posted on the progress I have with the "Wheelhouse". Thanks in advance! KOKO! (keep on keepin on)
Watched many of your "addicting" video's. Great quality and the angles to see what your doing is perfect. You are for sure a good mechanic. Bring back dead stuff is really cool. I hope you don't keep all the stuff you fix. quick question - In many of your videos you use a mixture of water and a green cleaning solution in your ultrasonic cleaner, what is that green stuff and what ratio to water? Thank You!!
Louis Kwan thanks! Sadly I sell pretty much everything I fix. The solution is Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty degreaser.
the first couple times you got a wrench on it-- the crank seemed to _"budge"_ *everSoSlightly*
after a back N forth a couple times it began breaking, for real
Thank you.
I giv u a pointer run the carburetor dry of fuel for storage. Will save u much problems later. Plz shut off fuel at tank.
Thank you so much to share your patience and dedication to fix good things,is there available to buy a generator? Let me know ok tks have a nice day
nice one sir. great save
Thanks 👍
Good work, great save. Thanks
the smoke that was burning off at the beginning was the WD-40
Curious why you didn't check the valve clearance on this one. I know it ran fine, but you're usually so thorough.
There is a oil drain under the pull start that is easier to use than the one on the side.
Thanks for the info
@@jcondon1 I took a short pipe and color and extended it out where it is easier to use.
The fuel line quick connect becomes brittle and breaks. I replaced it with an inline fuel filter.
wow, that's another great find.thanks for the video
thanks
Great video , i missed where you checked the oil level sensor.
Another very informative one. Good work. What do you do with the old gas? Can it go into a car/truck?
It can be. I remove the water from it and filter it with a coffee filter. I make sure I have about a half tank of fresh gas and mix in a couple gallons of the older stuff. The only concern is the car fuel filter. Often they are inside the gas tank and expensive to change if it clogs up. Recently though just been running it in my lawn mowers. Just do not want to run it on a piece of equipment I am working on because then I do not know if the run issue is the gas or something else. If the gas is really bad I do not use it. I have a friend that works for a company that collects hazardous waste and he can take the really bad stuff off my hands.
This video got me to subscribe
Their loss is your gain. Some people should not be allowed around machines. 😁
Can you move the governor spring to one of the many holes on the bracket in order to reduce spring tension instead of bending the tab? It seemed like that’s what they are there for. Just curious.
Moving the spring will change the tension, but the sensitivity will also change which can cause surging or allow the engine to slow more then it should when under load depending on the direction you go.
James Condon
When you bend the tab you are shortening the “length” of the spring just as you would if you moved it to a closer hole. Not convinced. But I do love watching your videos. I’m a fan and I’ve learned a lot!
Love the channel so helpful and educational.. What is the torque spec that you put on the carburetor studs? I can't find anything on the Briggs and Stratton site or google. Thanks
I do not have an official spec, but most likely when to 60 or 70 in-lbs
Very informative video , I acquired on of these after my dad had passed , i brought it home and checked it over , found it had no oil in it. Filled the oil and fired it up ran for a few minutes then started blowing smoke out the exhaust . Found where the oil was going. What do you think a bad head gasket , valve ?
If it keeps smoking then either oil is overfilled, a blow head gasket or bad oil rings.
I have a hard time rationalizing all the dirt that builds up in those gas tanks with the lack of good filters. I mean we know the crud is going to get into the carb and we know what it's going to do. Starting with our 1948 truck I made sure I always had a filter or a frit right before the carb. Yes a second filter. If you want an immaculate carb then filtration is an absolute must. Unfortunately it can plug up during operation so the user has to be prepared to change it often. But running with no filter and sending all that crud straight into the carb to me seems stupid beyond belief.
This generator had a filter in the tank at the fuel outlet. But a agree, ideally the filter would be higher quality and right before the carb. Not a lot of options on gravity systems. The pressure is so low that a second filter could reduce the flow.. But a lot of times, it will work.
Awesome
EVEN HEARD SOME AIR
I'm not sure why you pumped it down.
Why not just drain it out through the drain plug?
That would have worked. Just not sure how much was going to come out.
Ok thanku. Im not a pro but i been around.
Hi James, just need confirmation have a Briggs and Stratton 5550 same style as the generac in video. It runs no power, checked the stator thru outlets and got good readings checked the brushes and they were badly damaged. Checked the rotor thru slip rings good reading. Ordered new brushes cleaned slip rings still no power.. now readings at outlets height 1.1 and 6.2. Slip rings still good 24.3. Stator is bad but did I forget anything before calling it junk?
Before calling it junk, try flashing it with a drill. Potentially it lost residual magnetism. I have come across a couple generators that tested well, but still would not make power. Unfortunately, testing with a multi-meter in ohms is not always accurate, because that test is only at a volt or two. When at 120 volts, insulation issues could become an issue that was not seen at lower voltage. Take a look at this video. It has not been released yet so the link may stop working at some point, but I think it will help you th-cam.com/video/k1ajBFwS8eM/w-d-xo.html
@@jcondon1 Hi James, just a quick update. Before I did any more test. I really looked at the stater as well as one can when still assembled. The slots on the stater were so rusted and corroded that when I poked with a test lead it actually crumbled. I know they have something to do with Eddy currents, but I don't understand that just yet, do you? Anyway, flashed with a drill nothing. Applied 12 v to the brushes and it restored magnetism. I wasn't going to so the last because of the condition of the slots, glad I did though. Have you seen slots in that bad of condition?
@@user-gz2jh9vq1e Eddy Currents: The moving magnetic field in the rotor causes an opposing magnetic field in the stator which magnetises the metal of the stator in opposition to the magnetic field in the stator. This makes the stator more difficult for the engine to turn.
This effect is multiplied in a piece of solid metal. When the metal is laminated, the eddy current which creates the opposing magnetic field is limited since the current has trouble crossing the junction between laminations.
Similar for the magnetic lines of force flowing between the laminations. A weaker opposing magnetic force means the generator runs more freely.
Long story short: Laminations improve efficiency in this type of application.
(N.B. I'm not an engineer; just a nerd) 🤓
Loading to 3kw resistance all ok but should be able to load to 5kw Resistance load ?
Did The Lockpicking Lawyer get a side hustle?
I've watched several of your videos they are very good. Just wondering if this model doesn't have AVR how does it control voltage? Also what spare parts do you recommend having on hand. In case my generator goes down during a Power outage?
did you fix the black cover at the end of the generator wouldnd't take much
Great video as always! Keep it up.
What compression tester are you using?
Just a cheap Harbor Freight one www.harborfreight.com/Compression-Test-Kit-8-Pc-62638.html
@@jcondon1 I was told they are not accurate, with you experience of using it how accurate do you believe it really is?
Paul Rubinchik it seems to be accurate. I have not had any issues with it,
Do you need a bigger ultrasonic or you just don’t fill it all the way
Probably need a larger one. Got this when just starting out.
Hey james,,I e got a diesel Generator that's putting g out power,,but not charging the battery,,,any idea?
Some just don't. Generac is notorious for that. No built in charging system for its own battery.
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i have this identical generator that runs great but will not rev up when put under surge load any thoughts
The engine should maintain speed. Does it slow under load? If so, but how much? It is normal to lose about 150-250 rpm.
I dont think these things ever actually wear out from use, they go bad from non use.
Unless you run out of oil. generator engines are usually not a problem. The power head is a different story.
10.37...........Straight 30 weight oil.............is James also an old skool Detroit Diesel 2 stroke mechanic ;) ?
I recently took apart the carb on this generator and put it back togeather now it leaks fuel. Any ideas?
Could be the needle, but more likely would say it is that large intricate rubber gasket. Either it is damaged or moved out of place when putting it back together. You can see it at the 23:51 mark on the carburetor body.
@@jcondon1 Thank You!!
Got one of these for free, running perfect after a carb clean. No load 3650 rpm and 132v, anyone know where the voltage regulator is on one of these?
No adjustment for for voltage other then engine speed. With no load it is expected that the voltage will be in the 129-133 volt range.
Btw…. Didn’t see the torque spec for the carb…..
Those I torque to 70 in-lbs
What meter are you using to measure the HTZ and voltage, where are you hooking it up?
The meter is call "Kill-A-Watt". I have more information on my community page about it. As far as the settings. Most generator manuals say to set at 61.5 with no load. Some even as much as 62.5 hertz.
Are you related to Michael T Condon I just don't see that last name very often
Not that I am aware of. But who knows. I am sure most changed their name for obvious reasons.
No AVR ???
No
@@jcondon1
Is this safe to power tv and fridge with this generator with no AVR
You need to put in a new float needle in is why ther was gas in the oil. The needle is not shutting off the gas. Plz change needle.
Did you or the others that agreed with your comment not see that James disassembled the carb and cleaned it? I have rebuilt several small engine carbs and have never had to replace the needle valve. After cleaning I always blow through the gas inlet with the carb right side up and upside down to make sure the needle valve is operating properly. I do think that before cleaning the valve was probably stuck but the thorough cleaning fixed that.
Bonded neutral or floating this generator ?
Not sure on this one, but usually most are bonded.
@@jcondon1 I have the same generator and I figure out the it have bonded inside receptacle box .
My question why it’s consuming a lot of fuel ? How to fix that
Do you have a shop you resell these reconditioned generators at?
Just sell them on Facebook Marketplace.
U need to replace the needle or ull hav gas in the oil again. I know about it. I been thru it all.
Thanks. I tested the needle function after I cleaned it and all seems good now. Probably someone stored it with the fuel valve open.
Gas that looks like Mountain Dew is bad. It's old, has lost octane, the lighter more combustible properties, and needs to be changed. The smaller the engine, the lower the tolerance to old stale fuel.
Why was there so much gas in the crankcase with the oil? A bad needle on the carb could cause the piston to hydro lock and would dump fuel from air filter. Did some idiot pour gas into the oil? doesn't make sense unless you had a leaking carb and bad cylinder rings.
The fuel will eventually make it past the rings if given enough time.
WD40 is about the best cleaning solvent besides kerosene or diesel
I agree. It is good at a lot of things.
What site you find these generators on?
Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace.
Hydrolock? On that gas engine
Yes, bad float needle let's fuel run through the carburetor into cylinder, possibly causing hydrolock. In this case the fuel ran past the piston rings into the crankcase.
what do you do with all the old gas?
I remove the water from it and filter it. Then us it in the lawn mower. If its really bad then I recycle it. My town will collect hazardous waist a couple times a year.
@@jcondon1 I like the answer. I'm not sure if you do this full time but I am really enjoying your videos and quality of work. Congratulations and keep the videos coming.
Scott Denham I do not. Have a day job that takes me away from home 12 hours a day. But with this COVID stuff I am available to do a video a week. Pre-COVID I was only publishing every two weeks.
What liquid do you use in your ultrasonic cleaner??? It looks like it's Mountain Dew :P
lol, my favorite drink. Some think it is Mr. Clean, but actually just Super Heavy Duty degreaser from Harbor Freight.
@@jcondon1 its pretty good, hey?
Awh okay. Unfortunately in the land down under we don't have that brand, but I should be able to find something somewhat similar.
WHO EAT THE SPRING HOLDING THE JET
Anyone laughed at 9:00?
I did! Not as bad as the time I let an engine flop over on the floor. It was already broken.
PERSONALLY I THROW NIKKI CARBS IN THE TRASH AND PURCHASE WALBRO MUCH BETTER CARBS
I always seem to end up with Nikki’s.
@@jcondon1 i never have hunting issues with walbro carbs
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Its completely full of blow by
Piston travel will always cause pressure waves within the crankcase. When the crankcase is filled with liquid, those pressure waves can't compress. Blow by is when leakage past the piston rings increases the crankcase pressure beyond what it can normally absorb.
I picked up the Briggs and Stratton version of this Generac. I thought the power head was going to be bad. It wasn't making power, the brushes are no good which is not a huge problem but the resistance reading on the slip rings were 25.3. Got that sinking feeling that the rotor was bad. Referred back to this video and when you said the readings are pretty low on these older units you put money back in my pocket. You are better than a manual. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks!
I have that exact generator I picked up about 20 years ago at home depot. I eliminated the quick disconnect for the fuel tank next for the fuel tank altogether never used it used it. Just another spot where a leak can where a leak can develop. Your video is very informative. Thanks.
That looks great. Almost like new after your cleanup and restore.
Informative and well presented, thanks. And no “um” every fourth word. 👍
I do have an "um" problem. Been working on that.
I have learned more from you about how to test and fix generators and the engines , to the tune of watching them several times over just to reinforce what you explain. I never noticed the "ums", I did notice how well you explained what you were doing
For me the "ums" are just fine. Please keep up the videos even repeat generator problems are very interesting, I just get that much more from the video.
Rance Lynch thanks
@@rancelynch6514 a tricycle
Hi new here.. Good video well from start to finish I thought the engine was done.. but a fantastic result.. now she runs and powers as it should.. ta for the video
Thanks 👍
As always, great video James.
Great, constructive, informative video. Really admire the way you work. Also looking at your spare parts stash...... I don't mind my hoarding parts!
Just subbed...Thk u, just picked one up for 90 bucks, not running, motor turns freely... hopefully i can do what you did... great informative vid.
I really enjoy watching you and Musti1 (and others) resurrect functional equipment that otherwise would end up in the trash heap. I learn a lot from your trouble shooting process. Kind regards, Al.
Thanks. I love watching him too!
@@jcondon1 every gearhead loves and wishes they were him
Hi, I have a question to you. I have a gasoline generator. Its made in China. Name is Stanley Sg 3100. It has 170f engine 212cc 3kva.
Generator is new. It works only 10-15 hours.
I did break in period. First oil change is done.
Problem of generator is when i first starting and engine is cold, it throw away white smoke from exhaust about 30-40 second. Like a burning oil. Amount of smoke decreases while generator running. At the end of approx. 1 minute working, white smoke is finished. But, only first starting when engine is cold. After engine starts and engine warm, smoke does not exist. It works full load, there is not any smoke from generator.
I have this problem, since i have got the generator.
I use 20w-50 mineral oil. The manual says that 15w-40 oil. If weather is below zero degree it says that use 5w-30 oil.
Generator has decompression valve on the exhaust valve. I adjust valve clearances from Honda manual Gx 200 engine Intake: 0.15, Exhaust: 0.20 normally. Generator engine is Honda clone you know.
I did compression test when engine is cold result maximum 40 psi at choke disabled position. In my opinion, compresion of engine is low for four stroke engine. After i did wet compression test with engine is cold, which result is 60 psi max.
This low compression test results are because of decompression valve or oil ring problem?
I am sory for long writing and poor English.
Thank you very much for your answering from now.
Have a nice days from Turkey 😊🖐
Your English if fine! The compression does seem low. Normally you should get 55 or 60 PSI with a proper working decompression valve. A wet test generally will not bring the compression up if it is a valve problem. The fact that the compression came up to 60 when doing a wet test confirms what you suspect that the piston and rings are probably the issue. The only other thing that comes to mind is possibly a blown head gasket or a head that is not torqued down properly. With all that said, it is normal for a few seconds of smoke and the fact that you can run a full load without issue tells me that things are not that bad. As long as there is not glitter (metal shavings) in the oil then things will probably remain stable. Good luck from New York.
@@jcondon1 Thank you for your answering. I examine the operation of the generator a little more. As you said, there may not be a problem. because the generator works at one pull and there is no problem when working at full load.
@@MrCamShaft89 I had a 8 HP Briggs & Straton snowblower that did that. It ran for 20+ yrs. that way. It finally started smoking real bad on startup so I tore the engine down. I found a cracked(broken) compression ring.
Cylinder was in good condition, so I honed the cylinder and put a new set of standard rings in it and now it runs fine with no white smoke on startup. Hope this helps.
@@edhoran1709 Thank you for your information. My generator problem is as you said that ring problem with high possibility. However, generator is new and i dont want to ravel off engine block. My engine has different engine cc. It doesnt normal 196cc. It has 212cc engine. Maybe it can cause of first start white smoke. Between Piston and cyclinder wall gap is different. Also, finding the original piston rings are difficult in Turkey. I order rings from Internet. After ordering, Does the caming rings from Internet orginal? And fit my engine?
Thanks 🙏🖐
Very helpful thanks. A good result..
Really well done. Not only, somehow, getting it running - but explaining, exactly, your reasons for doing what you are going for. The water surprised me - a lot. I checked the oil level just like you and made the same OOPS conclusion.
Can you find a Miller Bobcat & a SA200 & do some work on those?
Thanks for not putting all the ads in. Great work