In this case Austin’s parents are to be blamed. Clearly he is losing his mind & his dad is taking him out for dinner 🙆🏽♀️ I mean in his case the signs were way too obvious. He was drinking cooking oil & his mother took him back for dinner? Why everyone is so crazy about the dinner. By not taking him to medical care they not only put their child in danger but the whole society too. Whatever happened was inevitable. I am feeling so sad for that couple & the neighbour.
What gets me is his mother and sister thought it was normal for Austin to patrol the house at night to protect them from demons. I read somewhere else that they would lock their bedroom doors at night so he couldn’t get in. Come on mom, you’re an educated woman (pharmacist), buy a clue
I was also so confused, how they took him to dinner so often and not a doctor. These weren't small signs of a mental decline, Austin literally was one walking red flag. It is really sad, that they just tried to continue their lives, ignoring the search for help from their son.
@@jessicamorgan3568 there are also other services you can notify, but the police. But he would probably have needed inpatient treatment anyways, so any means but ignoring would have done at least something, like put him in a place where he would have neither been a danger to himself or others. He had a mental health crisis and was in dire need of help, even if it came through an arrest.
just a note: many signs of schizophrenia appear during the college years, so if you are around austin's age and are experiencing similar things, please don't be afraid to ask for help and a diagnosis! it will help you and everyone around you!
@Queen of Kings i know what the signs are, but even still, it can be unexpected. take austin's case, that danielle was talking about. he recognized the signs and even googled whether he had anxiety or not, but he never was sure enough to take himself to get a diagnosis.
I was honestly thinking this same thing 20 minutes into the story. I was witness to this happening to a family friend , as well as good friend both males at this age. Mental illness is no joke 😞
It’s incredibly tragic that two people lost their lives in this case. However, Austin was also a victim. Literally no one helped him. There were MULTIPLE times he should have been hospitalized and his family just let him run off. They literally let him run into streets?? He was showing clear signs of mania and no one did a single thing to get him help. There’s nothing confusing about this case, he had a psychotic manic episode and was left to fend for himself. His decline was not a mystery so the events that took place shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone.
He was born to a dentist, not a psychiatrist. I'm sure that there's more to this than that. Maybe he had more times that he seemed to be normal. Maybe they thought he was just eccentric. People are quick to become judge, jury and executioner. Making assumptions without all the facts. Of course the odd behavior is going to seen in hindsight of what he has done. But there's a real possibility that he just appeared as an eccentric to friends and family. Yeah, I think that there were signs that were missed in hindsight. But I'd be willing to bet that his family didn't realize what they were at the time.
You’re absolutely right! Especially since this manic episode was described to be happening for a very long period of time!! Days even! How tf is no one helping him??
His parents are the ones to blame. Arrest them. They are supposed to offer him support. He was CLEARLY a danger for him and others, far too long before this incident.
I don’t think I’ve ever felt sad and frustrated for both the victims and the criminal, but this could’ve been prevented 1000%. The parents should be tried… they knew something was going on yet didn’t get him the help that would’ve prevented this whole situation!! Thank you for covering this case! Hopefully people will be able to listen and watch out for signs of those who need help, and get them help! Prayers for the victims families!🙏🏽🙏🏽
I was thinking the same. I am Bipolar 2, so I only get hypomania,. However a lot of these things she describes sounds like a severe manic episode. Feeling invencible, over the top happiness, all the energy, lack of sleep, irritation, delusions, easily distracted, risky behavior and so on.
This is legitimately the only time I've believed that someone was legally insane at the time of a murder. I hope he gets treatment instead of just being jailed, since this is a truly tragic case.
There have been plenty of other cases where someone was criminally incompetent due to mental illness. I'm not sure how the "insanity defense" works in every country but I assume most or all function like the U.S. system which requires a multitude of standards to be met for that defense to be successful and if it gets approved it's not a get-out-of-jail free card. At best they'll get a partially reduced sentence and in places where it still exists they'll usually be spared from the death penalty which shouldn't exist at all, courts use it to murder innocent people. If they're still severely unstable at the time of their trial they aren't sent home or to a hospital, they're sent to a secure mental health facility for prisoners which are usually worse than being in a regular prison.
I came here to say the same thing! I'm usually so skeptical of the insanity defense because it's been abused so much...but I'm with you. I don't think I've ever watched a case where there's been such a strong case for insanity. It feels very very strange to have such a strong sense of empathy for not only the victims and their families but for the perpetrator himself. 😔
@@laur131306 I agree in the sense that it's not that I don't believe it's a legitimate exemption, but rather, it's been abused so much in defense strategies that it's become the common scapegoat angle of defense
I agree with you all, I feel that he is the definition of why we hav the insanity plea. Not only for this young man, but also so the inmates he would be put with aren’t in danger & it is assured he is taking his prescribed medication
This case… Austin did not have a good support system. There seems like there was so much pressure to perform and be a certain way it’s no wonder his family was in denial about his obvious psychotic break. He was the perfect age for schizophrenia symptoms to begin manifesting and any competent doctor would’ve known that. They failed this kid, and as a result, completely innocent bystanders Michelle and John were failed as well. I fully believe if Austin had been appropriately diagnosed and treated he would’ve posed no threat. Not an evil kid…just very sick. Man this case is sad.
Agreed, hopefully this will bring attention to these illnesses, society needs to be educated as to handle these situations and prevent such from going this far 💔
I agree 100%. His father did an interview with Dr. Phil and all I could think was how sad it was they were in denial their son had a problem. They should have gotten him help.
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Wow , this is the first time I feel so much empathy for the perpetrator.... If only they gave him the help he needed. Shame man. My heart also goes out to the victims. Such a sad story
I heard this case on another channel that went a bit more into how the parents reacted to his declining health. The parents were very well off, and it came across that they were not able to admit that anything was wrong with him. It felt like they may have been ashamed of having a son that had mental health problems, so they did not get him any help. They had the money to get him really good treatment. Very sad case.
I always find cases like this hard. I find it so strange how parents refuse to get their son help. I feel like atp ur refusing it, you can see him struggle but if his dad really cared so much about reputation they probably didn’t want the news get out
This is a prime example of why people NEED to know more about mental health, as soon as you said he had high high’s and low low’s I suspected he had bipolar disorder. It’s said it got to such a scary degree
I agree I have bp2 and when I first seen this case on ID I thought that immediately I've never experienced full blown mania thankfully just hypomania for a day or 2 im huge on remembering my meds and was able to seek help for myself clearly Austin wasn't I do agree with her on the insanity hes def insane
I have bp1 and right away it sounded like he was displaying a lot of the symptoms. I have also experienced psychotic episodes and they are terrifying. On one occasion, I thought that someone was watching me while having a shower and apparently I started screaming bloody murder and violently thrashing around and throwing things. Fortunately, I lived with my parents at the time and they took me to the hospital right away. I have very vague recollections of it happening, so I fully believe that he doesn’t properly remember everything he did.
Agreed. My husband has bipolar disorder and he told me what it was like before he got help. Luckily his mother is a psychologist and spotted it. I have seen how quickly he changes when he stops taking his meds. It is very abrupt and unsettling. He is a loving person and I accept him for who he is. There needs to be more awareness about it than just being high then depressed. It is a very misunderstood disorder.
He was lost in the dark, and the brief moments he came back to reality, he asked for help and spiraled downward. He must have been so afraid and lost, I feel so sorry for him. I feel sorry for the victims, and their family. Everyone failed Austin.
i feel so sorry for him :( it makes me so sad. it’s probably like watching yourself become a monster, but someone else is controlling your body. i can’t even imagine..
@@bummie I was diagnosted with bipolar disorder 2 years ago and I remember when my psychosis started, you have zero control over most of stuff you do, I remember thinking I had this power, if I was happy everyone was happy and if I was sad everyone was sad, I remember being happy and slowly becoming depressed and I felt so bad because i really thought I was making everyone upset, lucky me I had my parent's support and they picked me up from another town and took me to a mental hospital, I have been stable for 1 year and a few months now 🥰
@@numero1qw i’m so sorry you had to go through that!! i’m genuinely so happy that you have such amazing support systems n the help you need!! ♥️ i hope you never have to have an episode like that again!! 💗
There were so many signs that he was suffering from psychosis and really needed mental help/intervention but the parents failed him over and over again. I feel sorry for him and the victims. Never would have happened if the parents had actually stepped up and acted like parents instead of passing him off to one another.
Heya, bipolar girl here. Before my diagnosis, I would experience the same erratic behaviour pattern. Huge highs, crushing lows, it felt like a massive pendulum. But what always used to terrify me was when I'd get auditory hallucinations. Them in themselves were never that scary but they always happened right before what I now know were psychotic breaks.... The last one I had, I had become convinced that a nuclear holocaust was about to hit London AT ANY SECOND. I hid for 12 hours in the deepest levels of Westminster station. Years, tons of therapy and medication later, I have finally regained controle of my life and I thank the universe everyday that I never lost controle quite like that poor lost man did.
i know this comment is a year old but i’d just like to say i’m very very proud of you!! although i’m getting better i still struggle and this comment helped me, thank you!🖤
it’s insane to me that austin’s dad didn’t feel comfortable with allowing his son to drive but had no qualms about bringing him to a gun show and watching him buy a knife. like ??? especially since it’s so recent i don’t understand how none of the people close to him caught this at any point that summer. severe ignorance, blows my mind.
His whole family failed him. So sad. None of these people needed to suffer like this, including Austin. Edit- And omg yes. When she said Austin’s dad took him to a gun show I was wtf!!! And then to allow him to purchase something. Beyond irresponsible.
It’s cases like this that make me understand why people thought mental illness was possession. My heart goes out to him. He should have been given help way before this happened. At first I was sympathetic to his parents, but since they KNEW he had always had problems since a young age (which they didn’t get him help for? I’m not sure) and the changes in behavior were so drastic and clear, he should have been given help LONG ago.
The sad part is that there are a few people who the meds don’t work for. It usually helps most people but some people have resistance to the meds due to genetics. If that’s the case, then face eating would have happened anyway.
Often when child is struggling or just person in general, most parents are not acknowledging it. Majority of people are not educated and often even don't want to know anything about mental health and it causes things like this. I am diagnosed with BPD and trying to get together for nine years now and my family is not accepting anything even when they hard doctors and other people trying to educate them or just make them understand something. Parents mostly thinks that child is going to grow up from that, it's not that bad, that they are making it sound so serious even if it's not and often that child grows up with fear to even ask for help or they genuinely thinks it's normal or they are going to handle it themselves. I am not going to protect or side with his parents, because obviously they fuckted up by not getting him any help or just ask him, try to help him and as an adult he probably did not even know what is happening to him so he did not get any help by himself. It's sad, I am really sad about this, because I know what it feels like. If people just tried to even accept that mental illnesses are as bad as physical, there would be probably less fear to get help or just talk to someone about their struggle. I really hope people would not use this case as trying to say people with mental illnesses are just crazy or something, because that happens and it just wrong.
And to try to "calm" down your son just because he embarrassing you is just horrible. This is not about him trying to embarrass him or anything, he needed help and to think that person is embarrassing you? What's wrong with his father? That person was hurting enough to not even comprehend what he is doing and all you think is he is damaging your reputation. Some people don't deserve kids, because if you can't get them basic things they need, you are just a terrible person.
@A G kk, well I'm an undergraduate psychology student, and I'm going to look up what clinical neurobiology is cause I haven't got that far down the rabbit hole yet. I suffer from psychosis occasionally, my husband suffers from mental illness, and I've been inpatient 18 times since I was 17 years old. I've seen my husband launch himself downstairs amid police officers. I've seen officers try to restrain him he's been handcuffed, taxed, and pepper sprayed, they couldn't stop him. It took about 8 booty shots before he even slowed down. One of the patients during one of my stays suffered from religious delusions, like apparently she was obsessed with satanism then she ran to the other side of things being one of Christs Brides. She believed medication was of the devil and it took quite a bit to restrain her as well. Ive woken up restrained in hospital rooms with no memory and apparently I did a lot of damage in a psychosis induced fit. So, yeah....idk
How did none of his family recognize that he clearly he was Schizophrenic or severely Bipolar? He should've been hospitalized against his will. It's his family's fault any of this happened. Jesus christ.
Honestly, he might’ve had a psychotic break on top of all that. But my mom was schizophrenic and bipolar and although she would get violent, she never attacked anyone. But, everyone is different.
@@nicholasp.capobiancojr.1312 by “in vain” it means being hateful or preaching wrong doings. Jesus doesn’t give a shit if you say his name like that, he gives a shit if you’re being a bigot. Jesus Christ
Schizophrenics tend not to have definitive splits. His behaviour, memory lapses & different capabilities during times a part is taking over is way more like someone with DID.
I can't imagine something scarier than experiencing reality slip away in the way it must have slipped away for Austin...he needed help so badly and cases like these are simply tragic because of how many warning signs there were
Alcohol and drugs are also triggers to it as well, it’s almost like a chemical switch in the brain . I’m “ pro pot “ ( if that’s how you would say it) but it can sometimes trigger certain mental illnesses
Kind of strange that he was aware that reality was slipping, usually there isn't a realization/self-awareness of how strangely one is acting or thinking. I believe he was unwell and wonder how this manifested so differently than expected. Aren't we fragile and complicated creatures while also being strong and resilient. Lots of gray without the black-and-white we are used to.
@@cphilips66 that’s such a misconception there can definitely be momentary awareness in psychotic disorders it just usually doesn’t last/is inconsequential
@@XYZ-kb3mm peehaps you're right. I was speaking from my experiences with folks slipping into schizophrenia, bipolar, and dissociative states. They never were able to see the break between "reality" and their changing perceptions. Do you have a scientific site where I can learn more? Thanks!
@@Liquethemodel I was going to say the same thing; if youre already predisposed to schizophrenia, experimenting with lots of different drugs, especially the psychedelics, can trigger it to manifest.
At one point during the attack he begged the officers to kill him "Kill me! I'm eating people! Kill me!" A tragic case all round. *Edit* I saw this on the Mr.Ballen channel. Thank you for the likes 👍 🤗
It almost has sounded like a case of multiple personality disorder at times too because of statements like that... very complicated, weird and heckin sad.. :(
@@ariannegagnon3738 just so you know, definately not multiple personality disorder as that no longer exists as a diagnosis and is instead Dissasociative Identity Disorder, which can only form in early early childhood under very traumatic conditions. People with DID are not any more dangerous than your average person. It's something I've learned a lot about and just wanted to share the info. Wish you well
Imagine "waking up" from a psychotic episode that might have just felt like THE worst nightmare, to find out that you have actually eaten flesh off someone's face.
His mom though....'My son is acting a little strange.' He just drank from a bottle of cooking oil and tried to fight his dad. Cops come and he's literally eating a person.
He should have been hospitalized no later than the point where he decided he was Jesus. It was so obvious from that point that he was having a manic episode with psychotic features. He could have been helped. This could have been prevented. This whole case just breaks my heart.
He couldn’t have been hospitalized at this point unless he consented to it. It is damn near impossible to successfully invoke the Baker Act unless the person has already done something to harm others or themselves. I HIGHLY recommend the book Crazy by Pete Earley if you want to learn more about how heartbreaking these Baker Act laws are (each state has a different name but they’re all the same thing).
Yeah you can't have someone hospitalized unless they're a danger to themselves or others. They would have to come in on their own will and seek help. Pretty much if you're not hurting anyone, there's no harm done. And if you don't want help, then that's your choice. Unless you can get it deemed that the person is incompetent to make their own medical decisions. Which is hard to do.
Probably they were embarrassed and worried others would find out he’s crazy or it would somehow be on record to stop his career. Your medical record is private, but maybe they didn’t think it would be that much. I’m not sure their reasoning
When you asked “he’s not on drugs, what could make him do this?” my answer was “bipolar with psychosis or schizophrenia with a mood disorder” & then that’s what he was diagnosed with lol…can you tell I’ve seen this before? 😬
Before she got to the diagnosis that was also my first thought. It was very clear he was going through a psychotic break and noone helped him. Its very clear why he did what he did. I think this is the one time you CAN make excuses for the murderer. He was not aware of what was happening. Hes nor a monster. Hes a person who needed help and didn't get it before he did the unimaginable. And now he has to live with that for the rest of his life.
i found this case incredibly sad and not weird at all tbh. Mental disorders present in so many ways, and yes, i agree with you. I see people in the comments saying " well i have got that disorder and i dont eat peoples faces" .. and thats because they got the help they needed right? Stigma around mental health issues is still prevalent in this modern world and sadly theres many that go undiagnosed and without treatment for whatever reason.. breaks my heart.
My friend had an episode, he rly had super human strength and fortunately we (all friends) rly passed him around 24/7 so that he wouldn't do anything bad/dumb. He did a lot of strange things. Not sleeping for 2 weeks without substances is always mania. The most important thing is having friends or family that helps you. He is today normal, but was another guy for several yares. The "new him" and the old him have sens murged in to one. He was about to beat the shit out of me 1 time and he wasn't normally a strong guy. But as I felt the strength I knew the only way to get him calm was to hug him and tell him we all loved him. Fighting him would not hav ended in a good way...
I have a mood disorder/personality disorder and have also read up on all those neurological Illnesses. So I can mostly tell if someone could possibly have a neurological disorder if not caused by drugs. Neurological illnesses that affect mental state can present themselves as exhibiting symptoms of each other, like how Bipolar Disorder and Personality Disorders can come with Delusions. Schizophrenia and Autism can both come with Delusions. All these neurological illnesses have symptoms that cross over. I’m a teenager obviously and not diagnosed with one or two mental disorders until my brain is finished developing (for context I just hit 17 around two weeks ago and brain development finishes between 18 - 25).
The fear you feel during psychosis is unimaginable. Every time I’ve had an episode I’ve landed myself in the hospital. It’s awful and horribly sad that Austin’s parents and friends watched him spiral and did nothing. He was suffering and sadly took another life with him, the system and his family failed him.
They tried. As someone who had been hospitalized multiple times. Quit blaming them. The Mom called and asked for help . They said...well he hasn't done anything. There is calls of her asking.
Oh she called? Was that before or after sue took him back to dinner? He did not have a/any support from his family. If my child had drank cooking oil he def wouldn’t be taken back to dinner with his father…he would have been taken DIRECTLY to a hospital…oh she called…seriously??
It's sad not only because of the victims but also Austin. He clearly had issues and his father response was trying to drug him everytime he saw him acting weird. How did no one in his family tried to help him?
I honestly believe that, had he been properly diagnosed in time and helped accordingly, Austin wouldn't have done any of this. I believe this is one of the very rare cases where Austin cannot be held fully accountable whatsoever and he shouldn't even attempt to go to trial. if they want to give him a punishment they shouldn't go with jail time because this boy needs help more than anything else. I don't believe he's violent, and I believe that, treated properly, he could very well be reintegrated easily in society.
i agree that with proper treatment he could have reintegrated, but unfortunately after this event and the guilt that he lives with has probably taken such a toll on his mental state on top of the psychotic episodes, i'm not sure he could ever come back from this. it would take years and years and years of treatment for him to even be somewhat stable, in my opinion. but i do think that's owed to him after years of no one getting him the help he needed.
@@leeloj well said! He inadvertently cried out for help a few years before all of this ending & the tragedy that ensued. Good lookin’ fella at the dawn of his life. Tragic.
Wow! I've heard a few TH-camrs cover this 911 call but never heard the full story. I almost feel sad for the young man. Everyone in his life ignored the copious amount of signs that he was unwell and needed help. Obviously I feel worse for the victims but it's quite tragic to me that no one noticed that boy needed help long before he committed the atrocious act he did.
This case is sad as hell but it's not confusing at all. A severe manic episode with psychosis explains literally everything he did- the grandiose and invincible feelings, the 2 hours of sleep a night, the bizarre behaviors, delusions about who he was, hallucinations. All of it fits.
I really feel for Austin, as someone with diagnosed schitzoaffective disorder bipolar type I really understand the fear he would have felt in his psychotic episodes. I hope he gets the help he needs and can find a way to live with his disorder.
I feel worse for the family and friends of his victims. Imagine knowing your sister/brother had someone stab them to death and eat thier flesh while trying to enjoy a nice evening. Or the neighbor who tried to help, but only got stabbed and trauma for his good dead. This dude, belongs in jail or a psych ward. People capable of this violence can't be trusted to take thier meds.
I think his dad is probably one of the main reasons that catalyze his spiral. Every time his dad is mentioned he always did something that pushes his son further into his psychotic state.
Maybe but also bipolar disorder can just come and go whenever. It sounds like Austin lived mostly with his father than his mother from what I understood because rarely is the mom mentioned in this story
@@three7446 she said that when Austin’s parents got divorced him and his sister literally lived with his mother and he went back to his moms house when he came back from college?? The mom may not be mentioned because like the comment said above his being out with his dad can lead to him getting worse…
The parents should feel guilty because they saw how their son was acting and they just let him storm out like they didn't want to deal with him. A lot of this is their fault especially the dad.
Agree 100%. I commented something similar. &fanother poster remarked something about red flags & if someone, ANYONE close to him actually PAID ATTENTION, he could’ve got the help he so desperately needed. they were h could’ve been done. It didn’t have to end that way!
I actually heard Mr. Ballen cover this case as well. It's really interesting the very different approaches to storytelling that you both used to explain it. Mr Ballen went more into the victim's side and you've done a great job explaining Austin's background. Truly a horrific case.
His father was dead wrong. He knew good and well his son was unwell and ignored it. Surely his mother could’ve 5150 him. I don’t think either tried hard enough.
I agree! I think his father was more embarrassed and worried how people would think of HIM , not Austin. And what was he thinking trying to give him booze and pills KNOWING there is something extremely wrong with his son. SMH
You obviously don't know anything about what 5150 really means if you think that. Quit trying to quite things you see on TV but don't understand. Nothing said in this shows his mom had any reason for any use of the Baker Act (which is what it's actually called in Florida).
this is one of the few times where I feel bad for the murderer and wish him the best. It was really out of his control what he did, I just hope he is finally getting the help and medication that he needed
My sister has schizoaffective disorder bipolar type and listening to you tell the story of Austin’s decline was very reminiscent of hers. At first just slightly off behaviors that just deteriorated. When in psychosis she was obsessed with putting love in the world and she would hear and see demons as well. She was also overly worried about family. Obviously there was much more than this, and she never committed a crime like Austin’s. She’s now medicated and on disability and doing much better, but listening to you tell this story was very hard in some ways. Well told.
This is such a tough case to listen to. These murders are devastating but I didn’t expect to feel bad for the murderer. He was clearly showing signs of mental illness and no one was able to help him enough to prevent this.
Sounds to me this kid needed help badly and no one did anything to help him. I'm half way through and so stressed out. Hearing all of this shit he's doing and not hearing that anyone is helping him. I don't even no what happens yet and I'm sure it's horrible and I feel bad already but I can't help but feel like everyone failed him.
as someone who has experienced a manic episode with psychosis, I 100% recognized these signs in Austin. It was hard to hear the episode as I would cringe remembering some of the absolutely wild stuff I did and the thoughts and images that would flash before my eyes but nothing connecting them. You black out. Those bits and pieces are the stuff you can remember. And then everyone else tells you the rest.. and you cringe because you know they're right. But it was all so out of character for you, everyone becomes confused by your erratic behaviour and you're left to pick up the pieces afterwards.. I absolutely feel for everyone involved in this situation.
absolutely. I had anxiety-induced paranoia episodes, and all I remember was that intense fear, everywhere I went. I can't imagine going more than a week like that.
Same here! When I was experiencing psychosis, I believed I could heal people with light beams, I was descended from lions and my proof was that I am a Leo and so are two of my sisters and mother. I believed I had to save the world because of the things I would see in my dreams. I’d see demons and aliens in my room and hear this awful, extremely loud screeching noise, like nails on a chalk board mixed with screams. I tried to get help from the hospital and mental health facility. It’s a very, very scary place to be in.
@@scrawberryshawtcake I totally feel you. I had the same kinds of bizarre thoughts. Like I could touch the floor and feel everyone's energy and vibes through it. I'm usually more reserved but I was a motor mouth during that time. Thought as long as I washed/splashed my face with water, I would be alright. It was the fountain of youth. One of my friends apparently came to visit me and came in to see all these yogurt containers all over the floor and apparently my mouth was all pasty and dry looking like I hadn't drank anything in days.. 😳 I had no idea that even happened. I don't even know where the yogurt came from. (Which is kind of amusing/funny I'll admit. Sometimes you just have to take it in stride and laugh bc it's better than beating yourself up and crying for something that was completely of your control). Those were some of the more mild parts. Obviously I have more intense memories, but would rather still avoid thinking about them. Because how is that helpful to me? Y'know? Just leads to guilt and regret.. even though I was literally blacked out and didn't know what happened. [It has taken a lot of therapy and proper meds to get to this point of finally being able to process it.] Also, the hospital too, I totally agree. I'm Canadian. Yeah our Healthcare system can work well. But first day in the psych ward and I witnessed this young woman sock a much older woman in the face. Her head smashed back into the window pain of the TV room I was in. I was scared AF. It wasn't like that the whole time.. but like.. just things like that..
I live about an hour from where it happened and whenever I walk my dog and see people hanging out in their garage, I think of this case. So, like multiple times a month. And I'm overwhelmed with sadness for the victims but also Austin. In interviews with him after, he seems devastated by it and his remorse is palpable. Then I also get a little nervous because it's so scary to think about how someone off the street can attack and kill for no reason. The whole thing is so haunting.
What led him to do these things…? The answer is exactly what you stated as his diagnosis… the highs of bipolar mania paired with psychosis. Severe mental illness left unchecked and swept under the rug by people who should have helped him seek treatment. That’s the answer. It’s not confusing, it’s not a bizarre outlandish fantasy scenario, it’s not a mystery by any means. This is something millions of people struggle with every single day. Granted, generally not to this extent, but still. There’s such a stigma around mental health issues and I’d hoped it would be discussed in this video with such an exemplary case, and I feel a bit disappointed that you seemed to add on to that by inferring that this is somehow still a mystery, as if bipolar mania or psychosis is some weird, unheard of “thing” that makes no sense.
I know, right? And how she kept harping on and on about him not drinking or doing drugs, like it's impossible for a sober person to suffer from mental illness for some reason. It was driving me up the wall for the entire video.
True his illness is to blame, but I do know multiple people who suffer with bipolar and psychosis and have been hospitalized because of it. They've never hurt anyone except themselves. So that diagnosis is not the full picture of what was going on in his mind
Ik!! I was thinking obviously this is some kind of mental health disorder not knowing specifically cuz I'm only familiar with depression and anxiety but that was clear to see ..
Exactly. This was my reaction to this video and made me instantly dislike this person's content. How can you list every single sign and symptom of mania and psychosis and then go "IdK WhY He DiD thiS. " People who don't understand what drove or caused such events to happen in cases like this are not cut out to report on something as serious as this.
I’m so glad you covered this case. The media and hearsay had many believing it was a vagrant hopped up on bath salts. I had no idea it was a young, sober man. It’s nice to know the truth. This case is devastating for everyone involved. It makes me wonder if Austin’s parents would have gotten him a proper psychiatric work up when he started exuding symptoms if things would have turned out differently. 😢
Yes! This. I’m from Florida and remember hearing about this case. Everyone said bath salts. No one talked about his mental health issues at all. I guess it’s easier to just believe someone is an addict then to recognize that this is something he couldn’t control and didn’t choose.
@@TheJungaloo I don’t see vagrant as dehumanizing by definition. It means someone who wanders from place to place without the means of a permanent residence. It doesn’t mean the person is lesser than. vagrant vā′grənt noun 1.) One who wanders from place to place without a permanent home or a means of livelihood. 2.) A wanderer; a rover. 3.) One who lives on the streets or constitutes a public nuisance.
I wonder if you’re conflating it with another case, because there was a man who was on bath salts who attacked and killed a homeless man and I believe may have cannibalized his face as well. That was around 2012 or so, also Florida.
Well, to be fair at the end Danielle says that all of her family members had been proactively helping him and persuaded him to see a psychologist. And this all took place in the summer of 2016, ending on the 16th of August. Which means it was probably a span 1 - 2 months total.
I can’t help but agree. If my son showed up at my house and started chugging vegetable oil because he’s thirsty there is no way in hell I’m just going to take him back to a restaurant. He’s going to the ER. And that was just one of the crazy things he did the day he murdered those people.
You can't say what you would do unless you are in the situation. My parents were in the situation and, because of the stigma associated with mental illness, and sometimes culture, some parents choose to ignore it. I have been there. Many people have been there.
A lot of, especially upper middle class people, don't want the "neighbors talking" so to speak and like to sweep mental health issues under the rug to put on airs in their community.
This was so upsetting to hear! I mean, true crime isn't a joy to listen to but this genuinely brought tears to my eyes. Everyone failed this poor boy and the inevitable happened. Austin was a victim too
Sitting here this case genuinely bought me to tears. My dad is schizophrenic and hearing this all is so close to home as I can recognise so many of the behaviours Austin is portraying in my dad. It’s so so sad he didn’t help help during his obvious deterioration. The dog thing in particular made me sit bolt upright in my seat. My dad believed his house was full of spirits that were going to kill him. I once stayed at his house with my dog and he told me that night was the only night that he felt at peace and safe. He said my dog kept growling at nothing while sleeping with him and he felt she kept him safe. I let him take her for multiple days at a time because it was the only way I knew that he felt even slightly better. The 15th of august (when Austin commits the murders) is also my mother’s birthday. I feel so weirdly connected to this case.
As a person with schizoaffective disorder, I'd put lots of money on Austin having the same thing. Schizoaffective is schizophrenia + either bipolar or depression. I have bipolar 1 type, and I believe he fits that bill, too. Schizoaffective, as with all psychotic disorders, are on a spectrum. His is ***Obviously a severe case (way more severe than mine), but everything from his going days without sleep to the racing thoughts to the confusion are symptoms of *very severe mania. Schizophrenia explains... everything else. Personally, I've been the lady on the floor because of demons. I thought a demon was after my son, and I slept on the floor so the demon would take me and not him (Disclaimer: I Am fully medicated now, my family was never in danger. I just kept trying to sacrifice myself for their safety.) Also an interesting note is I had the exact same college experience as Austin-- LSD/mushrooms/molly abuse and adderall to pass classes. He graduated college in 2007, problems started 2016. Exactly the same with me. Schizoaffective is almost def connected to abuse of hallucinogens in earlier years.
He was born in 98; so he was only 9 in 2007. He went to college in 2016, after finishing HS earlier that year & these events happened the following summer
I think its possible he had DID too. Especially him truly believing he was a dog and having severe memory loss in the moments hes believing hes a dog. He also "completely changes personality almost overnight". Bipolar is a more gradual switch. And his interests/values/wants etc change suddenly as well. Also extreme highs/lows and delusions can both be symptoms people with DID experience. Not to say that makes people with DID necessarily violent but during a psychotic break it could certainly make someone more likely. Unfortunately we arent his doctors and dont know the behind the scene details, only the story of a third hand encounter so we cant ever really know.
Another possibility, I self medicated from the time I was like 11(?) To 21. Around the time I went to college, my grandmother took all my meds that I was medicated. Once I wasn't self medicating all the psychotic features came flooding out because there was no barrier. That could have been a trigger as well.
@@ImJustShayeB true. medical marijuana is prescribed for a few mental illnesses. Like Bipolar, DID, Schizophrenia, Borderline Personality Disorder etc. I personally smoke to help with BPD symptoms. It is possible that him self medicating was putting his more intense symptoms in remission. Hence why he suddenly appeared more mentally ill when he became sober. But yeah, we can never really know and unfortunately a lot of theories fit.
@@cholecraig3540 Marijuana almost always intensifies psychotic symptoms and can also be a trigger for the onset of psychosis. Regards Austin, he does not exhibit symptoms or history for DID. He also lacks symptoms for schizophrenia or for the schizoid element of schizoaffective disorder. Austin's diagnosis of bipolar with psychotic features is bang on. He was experiencing a manic episode with psychotic features at the time of the incident.
I just discovered your channel and am binging your videos. This one really haunts me. This is really the most tragic story I've ever heard. He ended two people's lives in a horrific manner due to no fault of his own. Its heartbreaking to see mental illness destroy someone. This young man really got the sort end of the life stick. I watched interviews with him after hearing about the case from you and the guilt and remorse he feels is hard to watch. I can't imagine.
I am as obsessed with Danielle's videos as I am with Bailey Sarian's. Danielle has her own individuality and approach to the cases and I so happy to have found her channel.
This is just so sad and just stresses how important mental health awareness is. It makes you think whether this would have happened or not if he had gotten the proper help and medication. It's just sad all around.
My heart actually goes out to Austin. As someone who has seen what mental illness can do to someone. And experienced myself. I feel for him... thoughts and prayers are with the victims families 💔
His brain wasn't functioning correctly. That's it. It seems like it happened so quickly that the people around him didn't have enough time to fully comprehend what was going on. We don't know how many of the insane thoughts they were exposed to, either, and how much he was just thinking to himself at the time.
My sister had a sudden psychiatric breakdown a bit like this (without hurting other people). She's a large animal veterinary technician - an extremely difficult job that you need to be very skilled and level headed for. Then one day she started screaming at work that she'd been shot and writhing around on the ground. That morning apparently (this came out afterwards) she'd been asking her flatmates "where am I?" But was totally normal other than that. one of them was worried about her driving so drove her to work. On the way to work apparently my sister kept randomly crying and asking where she was, and at one point asked if she was being kidnapped, but then would snap back to normal immediately after. After the thing at work mum took her to our house and she would be totally normal then would randomly forget where she was again and start crying thinking she was lost. I thought maybe she had something damaged in her brain so we took her to the hospital and they kept her there for a week!! Now she has anti-psychotic medication and is fully functioning again but one always worried it'll happen again. I've seen sooooo many crime cases now where this has happened to a young person with no history of mental illness. If the family doesn't do something IMMEDIATELY, the person often ends up missing, dead, or killing someone else :c
@@emeryltekutsu4357 I don’t know about that…he wanted to be a rapper; he was absolutely horrible. He’s like a little kid with ADHD, today I’ll be this, tomorrow I’ll be that. Fine for playing when you’re little but worrisome when you’re an ADULT.
@@jennifergonzales4230 This was only over the course of a couple months, and I don't know if he was in daily contact with everyone or if they even knew about what he did on the internet. I know my family has no idea what I do on my social media accounts. I mean, I'm not trying to rap, I can say that much. But I could see over the period of two months, if you don't see the person every day, you might not fully realize how bad the situation has gotten because probably no one thinks, "Oh, I bet he thinks he's a dog and s horse!"
I knew off the cuff while watching this he had bipolar. They go through cycles of mania and depression. I have a 12 year old who is bipolar and she cycles through mania and depression all in a day as most children with bipolar do. Adults go through these cycles for longer periods of time. Where Austin was failed at is, no one getting him the help he needed earlier on. I feel his parents saw he was struggling and failed to be more intentional with seeking help for him.
Firstly, let me preface this by saying that Austin and his victims were all let down by the people closest to him. This kid was practically *SCREAMING* for help, and no one stepped in until it was already too late, and people died because of it. That being said, it's interesting to me how Austin was treated by police, especially when you compare him to an extremely similar case - the so-called "Bath Salt Zombie" which also occurred in Florida. I say "so-called" because, despite the name and persistent rumors, toxicology reports proved that the attacker in that case did not have any bath salts in his system, in fact the only thing he tested positive for was THC. In that case, the attacker was a Haitian man who didn't have any weapons, but did eat one man's face off - though his victim survived the attack - and he was shot 5 times and killed. The police didn't even attempt non-lethal interventions, they shot him immediately. Austin, on the other hand, did have at least one if not two weapons, and had three victims, two of whom died, and yet they tried every non-lethal intervention possible and ultimately managed to take him into custody alive. Both of the attackers in this case were having psychotic episodes, both were naked, both were acting like animals during the attack, both ate the face of their victims, both of the attacks were on strangers who they happened upon randomly, both involved some sort of religious delusion, both happened in Florida, the parallels are eerie. But one attacker was brought in alive, and the other was shot and killed. One was white, one was brown. It's especially interesting when you consider the fact that Austin was apparently involved with/a supporter of BLM. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Austin should have been shot by law enforcement, and I'm not necessarily saying that the other guy should have been brought in alive. It's more pointing out the fact that, in two almost identical cases, the one that you could point to as being the more dangerous situation was resolved without firing a shot, and the other was gunned down almost instantly, so you have to wonder if the determining factor came down to the color of their skin. Food for thought.
yup. goes to show that many people are still instinctively racist, the disconnect of innate human empathy that those officers had for the black man compared to how much they had for the white kid really shows the instilled sense of the "otheredness" for other races they had
I was literally so creeped out the cops didn’t shoot Austin like he’s EATING SOMEONE and he won’t stop. I think that’s fair to shoot him dead. I can’t believe they risked getting near him even to hold him down because Austin managed to beat up the police dog too. It’s so disturbing. I guess they wanted to have Austin alive to send him to trial, but truly I feel like that’s unfair to sentence Austin to a hospital for insanity and to have nurses risk their lives by being with someone as dangerous as Austin. I hate to say it but part of me thinks he would be better off dead where he can’t hurt anyone anymore
This was exactly my thought watching this even before seeing your comment. They indeed tried every possible means because he was white, but on the other hand would have shot a black man in the same situation. What a shame.
Yeah I mean, look at the comments on this video Everyone has acknowledged that this kid was let down by the system and his family-dialogue around the zombie incident had NONE of this
I’m bipolar and can somewhat empathize with Austin. I was never violent but I understand his confused and crazed mentality. When your mind is racing, completely random ideas come to you but they feel so very convincing. It’s all emotional thinking, there is no logical thought at that moment.
This case is truly heart wrenching.... I'm left feeling so sad for Austin, which I know sounds horrific considering his actions... but my god he was so sick, and no one ever gave a shit enough to really help him... truly just so sad...
except it wasn’t Austin who did what he did. His mental state was horrible. i’m not sure what’s up with the comments saying things like “i can’t help but feel bad for Austin” or “i know i shouldn’t but i feel bad for austin” when people should 100% feel bad for him. He was not in the right mental state. I feel horrible for him. To go through something you barely remember and it’s not really you who did it would be horrible and horrific. It’s normal to feel bad for the victim and austin
@@jayorila you are 100% correct. Needed to realize its ok to feel sad for people in these types of cases. I cannot imagine his fear during the attacks... and now I will say I just truly feel sadness for him, without needing to add an "even though" or an "i know i shouldn't." Thank you for commenting ♡
Yes, of course I feel bad for the people he killed and harmed, however that was not in his control...all his other thoughts were to help others and high level of empathy for peoples problems on one end, then the switch to the other and he is eating people. I agree with Danielle, in this case I feel true insanity. Not that I want someone to kill and eat me, but if the person who did was like this, then I feel they need a hospital and not a jail.
he had it really bad. if he had just gotten help at the right time, then this would have never happened. his sister and friends and girlfriend should have realized too, not just his parents
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I've only experienced mild paranoia, not from a chronic or cyclical condition like Schizophrenia but I had a nearly deadly illness that caused lesions to form on my brain. I'm sure you understand when I say, in the moment, you feel like you are being completely reasonable and right. It's truly terrifying how little someone experiencing this can do to self-intervene in a safe manner. I was even psychiatrically evaluated at the worst of it and they didn't pick up any indication that I was overly paranoid, and I even talked the dude's ear off about how I felt like my boss was targeting me and trying to embarrass me and screw me over, etc.
dispatchers ask dumb questions SMH...called 911 for shots fired heard about a block or so away from me, while laying in bed.I was asked if I saw anything.🤦🏾🙄😑 like yeah I saw everything 2 blocks away from my bed.
I remember when this happened. Everyone still says he was high on bath salts. I think they just wanted a reason as to why someone would do something like this. So sad.
I agree with you, I think people don't like admitting that mental problems could lead to something like this as it means anyone could turn into an unwilling killer overnight so they prefer blaming this kind of behaviours on drugs as its easier to blame the person and find some kind of closure
I agree with you I'm from the area and which this happened and was always under the impression that he was either on bath salts or flakka. And I think that's the way it was reported.
I'm from central FL and remember when this happened I thought the same, but only because there was a recent case where a homeless man in Miami had eaten someones face after taking bath salts. I think because of the similarities of the crimes, the police and media made it seem that Austin's case involved the same drugs. This whole case is really sad.
I feel like quite often people will try and use any explanation other than mental illness because they either don't believe in it or don't want to admit that it can have such severe results. It's amazing how much stigma is still attached to psychosis in particular when the world is supposedly so "enlightened" regarding mental health. It's really difficult to get help or even to get doctors to believe that things are as bad as you say they are. I really feel for him in this case, he was seriously let down by all the people around him who saw him getting stranger and more disturbed but just let it be.
It’s so sad. Mental illness shouldn’t be treated like this, if we as a whole were more supportive we probably wouldn’t be the country with the highest crime rates. Smh.
A close friend of my sister had an episode like this when I was in high school. His parents didn't believe in medication, psychiatry or any of that. Their solution was prayer, church, the family dr (no counselor, therapist or psych) and a very strict schedule and even stricter rules. He was "just a kid" and his opinion & wants didn't matter to his parents, and in the end he lost the fight. He had no memory of what he did and didn't believe them until they showed him the crime scene pics. :(
This case is so sad in so many ways. Poor Austin. He must have been so frightened and I'd have hated to be inside his head. And of course it's sad for the victims and their families. My heart goes out to all of them.
I don't understand how his parents didn't see this and get him some help. There were so many times someone could have intervened. A good psychologist and some meds could have changed the outcome of this.
@@ASMR-Arboretum Many parents neglect or ignore any mental illness, depression or psychological problems in their kids and just get used to thier kid behaving like that as it's normal. It's common in Asian countries, for them depression, psychological problems or anxiety are not an actual condition.
There are people who can't feel pain, maybe he's one of them. Also Austin had so many signs for psychosis and he didn't get the help he needed soon enough. My heart goes out to the victims families.
yeah, it's called pain asymbolia, it happens when severe trauma produces lesions in some part of the brain (i can't remember which bit). normally it happens after a stroke, but for Austin (cause he's so young) it could have been from something else.
I'm so sorry for everyone in this case. I also wish Austin had help sooner. The cost of medical care must play a part - not easy to even consider hospitalisation when it has always come at a crippling price. Not saying Australia has a perfect or even adequate health system - but some of my friends survived their psychotic breaks, and their subsequent diagnoses changed lives - because you don't have to worry as much about the cost of medical treatment. My heart breaks for all involved, and I know you all are strong - all the best ❤
I just unknowingly watched this on the night of the anniversary, so haunting. Mental health is so, so important and man could have intervened way before this happened. I wish psych/mental health was apart of our core curriculum in the US.
Yeah this songs like me when I’m manic, the only difference is, my family and support system has caught it and gotten me help before it’s gotten worse.
It’s a shame cause he had a good heart but if he would’ve gotten the help he needed or at least the support he would’ve been doing great things as we speak
I remember this case because Austin went to the same Elementary & Middle School as my son. This actually happened right up the road from our house. Austin was CLEARLY exhibiting the onset of Schizophrenia. How NO ONE ( meaning his PARENTS!!) tries to get this poor kid some psychological help is beyond me!! This whole thing was 1,000% PREVENTABLE!!! Such a sad situation...
I've heard this case and from Mike from That Chapter, I love him but i LOVE & appreciate how much detail and depth she gets into and reveals etc. great work hun! :)
I wouldn't call them the best cases. Nothing "best" about people dying. She does a good job bringing to light cases of people swept under the rug. Eleanor N. does a good job informing people of victims that deserve to be known as well
Parents, if your child is not acting like themselves please please find a way, anyway you can to get them help. A lot of cases happen because the kids don't realize that they need help or have a mental illness. Usually, the parents know or notice and don't get them help, a lot of innocent lives could've been saved if these kids just had some therapy or help.
This ^^^^ and if you know something is off with your kid don't let doctors brush you off and say its hormones, puberty, just being a teen, etc. keep pushing and fighting, you're their best advocate in the medical world.
Adrenaline can do a lot, I feel like he wasn't "feeling" pain because he was so amped up and scared in that moment. From what it seems he was truly in the throes of psychosis. Just heartbreaking all around.
Yeah seriously, any normal person who drank bleach, even diluted bleach, would immediately be in excruciating pain to the point where they would most likely be incapacitated even if the bleach wasn't also causing extensive internal damage.
@DanielleKirsty- As you're telling his thoughts and behavior, I'm over here shaking me head 'yes' and saying he is bipolar. I'm bipolar and I can relate to a lot of what he was thinking, feeling, and doing. The extreme highs and extreme lows. Have an inflated ego. Thinking you are invincible. Being paranoid. Being obsessed. Flip flopping what you want to do or become. Having a mental illness is terrifying. I wish he could of gotten the help that he desperately needed.
this case brakes my heart... everybody loses and I'm not saying that the murder is justified, it can't be. But as my heart goes to the victims' families it also goes to Austin and his family. To be that confused and feeling so helpless knowing that there's something wrong with him. Also: so many signs and so little help for a young person. Idk is just sad.
as soon as you started to describe austins mental state, his fluctuating personalities, his extreme highs, and his feeling of having superpowers/ being invincible i knew he was bipolar. as someone who is bipolar, i could somewhat see myself in austin, but obviously not this extreme.
I was lowkey weirded out by Danielle's confusion in the video but I guess that's just how neurotypicals react to this kind of stuff The answer to this case is: mental illness makes you incoherent and unhinged, and extreme or impulsive acts can happen during a manic episode. Sometimes you start to believe in insane things that only make sense to you because your brain is going bananas and you're not thinking rationally Nothing makes sense because mental illness makes you not make sense (I once thought the government was spying on me and reading my conversations to find the silly fanfic I read and expose it to my parents. I was 20...)
I guess the reason this one makes me so upset is because it was all so preventable. Mental and emotional health is so much more important than so many people are willing to give value to.
This is so heartbreaking, literally everything you describe about his behavior is textbook bipolar disorder and maybe even paranoid schizophrenia. Both of which, often start to manifest themselves between the ages of 18 and 25 or so
Um ... no, having bipolar disorder myself, I know we don't see dark figures or have a god complex & we don't act that reckless like running into traffic, drinking bleach etc. It's more likely schizophrenia... please don't spread misinformation about bipolar disorder, thanks.
@@thequeenmaureen37 RIGHT! People are so uneducated yet so willing to deliver their opinion as a fact and misinform. It really doesn't sit right with me
@@thequeenmaureen37 the mental health Field is such a underestimated and confusing pond to jump into, all symptoms cross Into other potential diagnoses and you just have to hope you get the right diagnosis and treatment. I’m so happy that this hasn’t been your experience with bipolar disorder. Or what is viewed as bipolar disorder. But don’t dismiss that this could be symptoms of bipolar disorder that is left untreated or isn’t Monitored properly.
@@cve7051 I am bipolar myself, and while I haven’t experienced delusions, it absolutely is a symptom of extended, severe manic episodes (likely due to the lack of sleep). It is not offensive to those of us who are bipolar to discuss this.
I don’t understand how someone didn’t get Austin help before this happened… Austin’s mother probably had motherly instinct but WHY did she wait until it got so out of control.. surely his behaviour was incredibly mental before this happened. This totally could’ve been prevented… I feel so bad for everyone involved…
this story breaks my heart because i think its one of the only times where the insanity plea is necessary. that sort of psychosis is so terrifying when you are experiencing it yourself and im so mad his friends and family didnt do anything. i truly dont think he had any idea what he was doing; that sort of fear-induced haze is terrifying and i think he thought he was defending himself.
Austin’s mom probably had a gut feeling something happened when it happened. Motherly instincts. omg crazy. Austin sounds like the man from the movie “Split.” when they were trying to taser him
yeah something about chugging oil seems a bit foreshadowing, bet her womanly spider senses were tingling, a non mother wouldn't* have seen this coming................... you still have time to delet dis
100%, where were her Mum senses on the 150 other red flags - and when she called she said he was acting a ‘little’ strange...understatement of the century
The fact that he “changed over night” actually kind of makes sense for someone his age who has BPD. A lot of people start experiencing major symptoms from age 15-19 & even though he did experience some symptoms as a child BPD also tends to get worse with age if left untreated & paired with alcohol & drug use. Probably all of the drinking in the frat house caused him to experience major symptoms which is probably why he stopped drinking & thought it was evil. This is why it’s so important to take mental health seriously especially as a parent. If he had gotten the help he needed there’s a good chance this tragedy wouldn’t have happened.
Yes I do agree they must have meant bipolar looking back at it now... But I am diagnosed borderline n I may have been out of line but I got slightly offended when a person used the "bpd" acronym to describe this behavior
Love this eye look. Very pretty! Makes your blue eyes pop. This is a CRAZY case. I almost feel bad for Austin. I mean, it sounds like he was truly in a bad place mentally and really did not know what he was doing. I’m sure his mom feels very guilty about what happened. Here she thought only Austin was a threat to himself when she called 911. As a parent, I can’t imagine what she’s gone through either. But, of course, my heart very much so goes out to the couple who so tragically lost their lives. And in such a horrendous way. God Bless the neighbor for trying to come to their rescue. I’m sorry he was injured so badly as well. I truly hope he has been able to find some peace. Somehow. And I hope he doesn’t suffer with any long term medical issues from his injuries he sustained. This case is just incredibly sad. Very very sad. Ugh.
"here, have a benzodiazepine..." Austin clearly was having a severe psychotic break for a prolonged period. And while I obviously wasn't there etc, don't know what his family saw and was aware of, but I am baffled that it went on for so long and no one intervened.. sooo many red flags for so long.
I would feel sad if the parents read any of these comments about them not helping. They had persuaded him to see a psychologist and this all took place in a span of 1-2 months. This may not seem like enough help to you, but we can never know exactly how their family functioned. To me it seems disrespectful to judge on that.
@@ConnorAdventure yep, offering a unprescribed benzodiazepine isn't helpful though. And that's also why I said I don't know everything, and wasn't there. I am baffled he didn't get help until he'd killed someone. There were a lot of red flags there for a while, and no one seemed to see them. I don't know why they didn't. There may be a valid reason. I also doubt his parents are watching a murder.mystery TH-cam about their son. Hindsight is 20/20. I'm not judging the parents. They didn't make anyone do anything and mental illness is a hard one to deal with anyway. But am I still baffled that his psychosis, where he didn't sleep, was hallucinating, had delusional idealation went on for months, yes. Am I baffled that he was loping across a beach believing he was a dog and the response was have a controlled drug not prescribed for you? Yes. This whole case is a heartbreaker. And good for you trying to see all sides.
@@Alimagify it's quite common to give benzodiazepines to people when they are psychotic or manic, because it slows the nervous system which can slow the racing thoughts, calm heightened emotions, and sedate the person, making it easier for professionals to take control of the situation.
@@AccordionThis oh I understand how they work, but I don't believe handing out unprescribed drugs without a medical professional over seeing it is the way to go. They're highly addictive and have some awful side effects. Hence you need a prescription for them. It may have helped of Austin had taken one. But a one off dose was never going to be enough to help him long term. Especially as being anti substance was part of his psychosis. And I don't expect his parents to be mental health professionals or anything, but as a general rule, in majority of situations, no one should be just handing out unprescribed drugs.
Sadly, Austin reminds me of someone I dated when I was a teenager. He showed signs of psychosis but I wasn't able to recognize them. Years later I found out that he developed bizarre ideas of "purity", persecutory delusions, and paranoia. Last I heard, he still refuses medical help. It's incredibly sad. I hope that one day he's willing to receive help. No one deserves with live like that.
My ex’s younger brother was like this. Obsessed with purity. Thought he was here to save people. Etc. i had also told my ex at the time when we were dating. And his mom. That he’s having a psychotic episode. And might have schizophrenia. But I later apologized for saying that cause it’s not my place to say. But mh ex and his mom used to choke it up to oh it’s just him. He’s like that. He’s just crazy. And now I realize I could have done more for the brother.
The first time I ever heard about this case, I was in shock that his family didn't recognize he desperately needed help and a proper evaluation. There were a lot of parts you talked about that I hadn't heard before but it's honestly even more shocking that no one recognized the severity of the situation.
Makes me so sad that he didn’t get the help he needed before ruining his life. It’s unfair because he didn’t know what he was doing and this disorder is so so rare. Heard about this case from Mr.Ballens video on it and I’ll literally never forget it. So unfortunate in so many ways :(
Around his age, mental health issues such as these, can just start to present. Probably why people felt like it was overnight that he changed. It is really sad on several fronts. Due the stigma around mental health, most people will disregard a lot of signs or attribute them to something else. Also, nothing has to happen for a person to have a bipolar disorder or other mental health problems. Mental illness can be caused by defects in the 🧠. So, there is not always a reason/ triggering event for the onset.
This case is so heartbreaking. I honestly don't blame Austin for what happened and I hope he manages to get the help he so obviously needs instead of being thrown in to prison. I also hope the families of the victims find peace. We need better health care for the people who are not mentally well. It's sad how often things like this happen
I have bipolar and have had psychosis (you can get psychosis with bipolar and not just schizophrenia) and this sounds exactly like it. I think it's a duty to seek help if you feel you are either endangering yourself and especially others. If we don't take medication we are 100% in the wrong
Austin: Drinking tons of water he thinks is from the "fountain of youth" Dad: Get this boy some alcohol, STAT! Austin: No, I just want to drink my 13 cups of water Dad: Oh yeah, that's totally normal, no problems here. Get this boy a switchblade!
I don't think his dad knew the WHY. He had previous mental health issues so I don't think his dad realized it was a whole different mental health disorder.
@@ereristark425 I think his dad should have recognized his behavior was erratic and he needed help, not alcohol, weapons, or unprescribed pills. There was no way for anyone to know he was a danger to himself or others, but the warning signs were ignored by his dad. It's unfortunate that his sister couldn't get him in to see a counselor before the stabbings, but she saw what was going on and did everything she could to help.
Maybe he was able to fight off the cops and dog because he had such a massive amount of adrenaline and the mania was so powerful that he didn’t feel any pain. Poor guy, it must have been so terrifying to go through all that and after he’s had the treatment he needs, he’ll have to live with knowing he did that.
This story has been "done" by many channels so I almost skipped it, but I'm glad I didn't! There are so many additional details you provided that others did not. Thank you for the work you put into the channel.
This was a tough one for me to listen to. It resonates with a brother of mine. I haven’t talked to him in a year. He was having a clear mental breakdown, grandiosity and not sleeping. Obsessing over the “evil” in the world. We think he might be bipolar and he has depression but he won’t do anything to help himself. He flat out refuses to get any help for himself. And he has been taken to the hospital for a mental evaluation but he lies. He’s smart and knows what to say and how to act to make it seem like everything is fine and he’s just “sad” and having a hard time. The last time we really talked to him he told us that unless he can have things his way (staying at my moms house to “process” his life without any expectation to work on his mental health or get a job) my family and I are saying goodby to him and turning our backs on him. He didn’t get his way because he wont deal with his mental health so he won’t talk to us. I send him messages still but I never get response. I worry about him constantly.
the parents were in absolute denial... ive experienced it on my skin, parents saying "nothing is wrong" in the face of a mental breakdown.... unfortunately they took it a lot further with Austin. complete denial. everyone could have survived if they bit the bullet and got him real help.
I feel so sorry for Austin. My sister became a schizophrenic and it was so sad to watch her mental health deteriorate. I would imagine it was sad for Austin’s family as well. It’s heartbreaking. Lots of prayers for John and Michelle and Jeff’s families as well! How tragic!
@@The_CholoThey tried, though. Unless you’ve personally tried to navigate the mental health system, you wouldn’t know that it’s nearly impossible to get someone help in a timely manner. The mental health system is incredibly broken.
This is definitely tragic all around, I feel deep sympathy for the victims and their families but I also feel a deep sadness for Austin too, so many people failed him. His parents failed him majorly. He must have been so scared and confused. We need to stop being embarrassed about mental health issues, we need to end the stigma. There is nothing to be ashamed of. This could have been avoided with the right care and attention.
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In this case Austin’s parents are to be blamed. Clearly he is losing his mind & his dad is taking him out for dinner 🙆🏽♀️ I mean in his case the signs were way too obvious.
He was drinking cooking oil & his mother took him back for dinner? Why everyone is so crazy about the dinner.
By not taking him to medical care they not only put their child in danger but the whole society too. Whatever happened was inevitable.
I am feeling so sad for that couple & the neighbour.
What gets me is his mother and sister thought it was normal for Austin to patrol the house at night to protect them from demons. I read somewhere else that they would lock their bedroom doors at night so he couldn’t get in. Come on mom, you’re an educated woman (pharmacist), buy a clue
@@happycamper4thewin wow! They were really terrible at being family for sure.
I was also so confused, how they took him to dinner so often and not a doctor. These weren't small signs of a mental decline, Austin literally was one walking red flag. It is really sad, that they just tried to continue their lives, ignoring the search for help from their son.
Out of curiosity... What should they have done? Hey cops, my adult son believes weird stuff and is chugging cooking oil... Arrest him??
@@jessicamorgan3568 there are also other services you can notify, but the police. But he would probably have needed inpatient treatment anyways, so any means but ignoring would have done at least something, like put him in a place where he would have neither been a danger to himself or others. He had a mental health crisis and was in dire need of help, even if it came through an arrest.
just a note: many signs of schizophrenia appear during the college years, so if you are around austin's age and are experiencing similar things, please don't be afraid to ask for help and a diagnosis! it will help you and everyone around you!
@Queen of Kings i know it's pretty scary. i'm heading into that age right now and i'm worried how my personality will change.
@Queen of Kings i know what the signs are, but even still, it can be unexpected. take austin's case, that danielle was talking about. he recognized the signs and even googled whether he had anxiety or not, but he never was sure enough to take himself to get a diagnosis.
So true and so important. I’m glad you commented this. Maybe it will help someone.
I was honestly thinking this same thing 20 minutes into the story. I was witness to this happening to a family friend , as well as good friend both males at this age. Mental illness is no joke 😞
Great reminder 💜
It’s incredibly tragic that two people lost their lives in this case. However, Austin was also a victim. Literally no one helped him. There were MULTIPLE times he should have been hospitalized and his family just let him run off. They literally let him run into streets?? He was showing clear signs of mania and no one did a single thing to get him help. There’s nothing confusing about this case, he had a psychotic manic episode and was left to fend for himself. His decline was not a mystery so the events that took place shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone.
Right I’m confused as to why she’s confused about this case
He was born to a dentist, not a psychiatrist. I'm sure that there's more to this than that. Maybe he had more times that he seemed to be normal. Maybe they thought he was just eccentric. People are quick to become judge, jury and executioner. Making assumptions without all the facts. Of course the odd behavior is going to seen in hindsight of what he has done. But there's a real possibility that he just appeared as an eccentric to friends and family.
Yeah, I think that there were signs that were missed in hindsight. But I'd be willing to bet that his family didn't realize what they were at the time.
Lady I would shake your hand I helped my lil brother wen he started to exhibit signs. I got him on a local clinic for it
You’re absolutely right! Especially since this manic episode was described to be happening for a very long period of time!! Days even! How tf is no one helping him??
His parents are the ones to blame. Arrest them. They are supposed to offer him support. He was CLEARLY a danger for him and others, far too long before this incident.
I don’t think I’ve ever felt sad and frustrated for both the victims and the criminal, but this could’ve been prevented 1000%. The parents should be tried… they knew something was going on yet didn’t get him the help that would’ve prevented this whole situation!! Thank you for covering this case! Hopefully people will be able to listen and watch out for signs of those who need help, and get them help! Prayers for the victims families!🙏🏽🙏🏽
Very sad all around
Or sued . I heard of people sueing I think for wrongful death
@@vivianaestremera5381 I agree that those parents should have to answer for ignoring how ill he was.
So many signs of psychosis it’s sad he didn’t receive the help he needed.
I know.. if only he had gotten help, so much would be different. It's clear that he was not okay mentally
Right?! This is all his family's fault. 100%
So many signs yet no one helped him 💔
I was thinking the same. I am Bipolar 2, so I only get hypomania,. However a lot of these things she describes sounds like a severe manic episode. Feeling invencible, over the top happiness, all the energy, lack of sleep, irritation, delusions, easily distracted, risky behavior and so on.
As a psychiatrist this makes me so sad and angry, my guess is he had a manic episode with elements of psychosis and was in dire need of help...
This is legitimately the only time I've believed that someone was legally insane at the time of a murder. I hope he gets treatment instead of just being jailed, since this is a truly tragic case.
There have been plenty of other cases where someone was criminally incompetent due to mental illness. I'm not sure how the "insanity defense" works in every country but I assume most or all function like the U.S. system which requires a multitude of standards to be met for that defense to be successful and if it gets approved it's not a get-out-of-jail free card. At best they'll get a partially reduced sentence and in places where it still exists they'll usually be spared from the death penalty which shouldn't exist at all, courts use it to murder innocent people. If they're still severely unstable at the time of their trial they aren't sent home or to a hospital, they're sent to a secure mental health facility for prisoners which are usually worse than being in a regular prison.
I came here to say the same thing! I'm usually so skeptical of the insanity defense because it's been abused so much...but I'm with you. I don't think I've ever watched a case where there's been such a strong case for insanity. It feels very very strange to have such a strong sense of empathy for not only the victims and their families but for the perpetrator himself. 😔
@@laur131306 I agree in the sense that it's not that I don't believe it's a legitimate exemption, but rather, it's been abused so much in defense strategies that it's become the common scapegoat angle of defense
I agree with you all, I feel that he is the definition of why we hav the insanity plea. Not only for this young man, but also so the inmates he would be put with aren’t in danger & it is assured he is taking his prescribed medication
yea so many signs where there why did no one in the shop help him when he asked
This case… Austin did not have a good support system. There seems like there was so much pressure to perform and be a certain way it’s no wonder his family was in denial about his obvious psychotic break. He was the perfect age for schizophrenia symptoms to begin manifesting and any competent doctor would’ve known that. They failed this kid, and as a result, completely innocent bystanders Michelle and John were failed as well. I fully believe if Austin had been appropriately diagnosed and treated he would’ve posed no threat. Not an evil kid…just very sick. Man this case is sad.
I agree. I wish his parents would have helped him get the treatment he desperately needed.
I agree
Agreed, hopefully this will bring attention to these illnesses, society needs to be educated as to handle these situations and prevent such from going this far 💔
I agree 100%. His father did an interview with Dr. Phil and all I could think was how sad it was they were in denial their son had a problem. They should have gotten him help.
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Wow , this is the first time I feel so much empathy for the perpetrator.... If only they gave him the help he needed. Shame man. My heart also goes out to the victims. Such a sad story
I heard this case on another channel that went a bit more into how the parents reacted to his declining health. The parents were very well off, and it came across that they were not able to admit that anything was wrong with him. It felt like they may have been ashamed of having a son that had mental health problems, so they did not get him any help. They had the money to get him really good treatment. Very sad case.
I always find cases like this hard. I find it so strange how parents refuse to get their son help. I feel like atp ur refusing it, you can see him struggle but if his dad really cared so much about reputation they probably didn’t want the news get out
This is a prime example of why people NEED to know more about mental health, as soon as you said he had high high’s and low low’s I suspected he had bipolar disorder. It’s said it got to such a scary degree
I agree I have bp2 and when I first seen this case on ID I thought that immediately I've never experienced full blown mania thankfully just hypomania for a day or 2 im huge on remembering my meds and was able to seek help for myself clearly Austin wasn't I do agree with her on the insanity hes def insane
yeah I have bipolar, sounds real similar
I have bp1 and right away it sounded like he was displaying a lot of the symptoms. I have also experienced psychotic episodes and they are terrifying. On one occasion, I thought that someone was watching me while having a shower and apparently I started screaming bloody murder and violently thrashing around and throwing things. Fortunately, I lived with my parents at the time and they took me to the hospital right away. I have very vague recollections of it happening, so I fully believe that he doesn’t properly remember everything he did.
Agreed. My husband has bipolar disorder and he told me what it was like before he got help. Luckily his mother is a psychologist and spotted it. I have seen how quickly he changes when he stops taking his meds. It is very abrupt and unsettling. He is a loving person and I accept him for who he is. There needs to be more awareness about it than just being high then depressed. It is a very misunderstood disorder.
@@lm3024 I try and make videos to raise awareness.
He was lost in the dark, and the brief moments he came back to reality, he asked for help and spiraled downward. He must have been so afraid and lost, I feel so sorry for him. I feel sorry for the victims, and their family. Everyone failed Austin.
You’re a good person ❤️
i feel so sorry for him :( it makes me so sad. it’s probably like watching yourself become a monster, but someone else is controlling your body. i can’t even imagine..
@@bummie I was diagnosted with bipolar disorder 2 years ago and I remember when my psychosis started, you have zero control over most of stuff you do, I remember thinking I had this power, if I was happy everyone was happy and if I was sad everyone was sad, I remember being happy and slowly becoming depressed and I felt so bad because i really thought I was making everyone upset, lucky me I had my parent's support and they picked me up from another town and took me to a mental hospital, I have been stable for 1 year and a few months now 🥰
@@numero1qw i’m so sorry you had to go through that!! i’m genuinely so happy that you have such amazing support systems n the help you need!! ♥️
i hope you never have to have an episode like that again!! 💗
@@bummie Thank you 💕
Aw... the fact he slept in his sister's room and with the dog to protect them. Poor guy. This is such a tragic case.
There were so many signs that he was suffering from psychosis and really needed mental help/intervention but the parents failed him over and over again. I feel sorry for him and the victims. Never would have happened if the parents had actually stepped up and acted like parents instead of passing him off to one another.
Heya, bipolar girl here. Before my diagnosis, I would experience the same erratic behaviour pattern. Huge highs, crushing lows, it felt like a massive pendulum. But what always used to terrify me was when I'd get auditory hallucinations. Them in themselves were never that scary but they always happened right before what I now know were psychotic breaks.... The last one I had, I had become convinced that a nuclear holocaust was about to hit London AT ANY SECOND. I hid for 12 hours in the deepest levels of Westminster station.
Years, tons of therapy and medication later, I have finally regained controle of my life and I thank the universe everyday that I never lost controle quite like that poor lost man did.
i know this comment is a year old but i’d just like to say i’m very very proud of you!! although i’m getting better i still struggle and this comment helped me, thank you!🖤
I'm proud of both of you.x
@@RavenWing1972 thank you so very much xx
@@kylierenee1664 you're so welcome. I suffer with similar issues and before my diagnosis and treatment, life was so very scary.
@@RavenWing1972 i’m proud of you honey🫶🏼
it’s insane to me that austin’s dad didn’t feel comfortable with allowing his son to drive but had no qualms about bringing him to a gun show and watching him buy a knife. like ??? especially since it’s so recent i don’t understand how none of the people close to him caught this at any point that summer. severe ignorance, blows my mind.
I agree 💯! That boy needed a present father, not an embarrassed jerk!
His whole family failed him. So sad. None of these people needed to suffer like this, including Austin.
Edit- And omg yes. When she said Austin’s dad took him to a gun show I was wtf!!! And then to allow him to purchase something. Beyond irresponsible.
Floriduh.
They saw it - they just didn't want to believe it.
@@shanabattleglitta2198 AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
It’s cases like this that make me understand why people thought mental illness was possession. My heart goes out to him. He should have been given help way before this happened. At first I was sympathetic to his parents, but since they KNEW he had always had problems since a young age (which they didn’t get him help for? I’m not sure) and the changes in behavior were so drastic and clear, he should have been given help LONG ago.
The sad part is that there are a few people who the meds don’t work for. It usually helps most people but some people have resistance to the meds due to genetics. If that’s the case, then face eating would have happened anyway.
Often when child is struggling or just person in general, most parents are not acknowledging it. Majority of people are not educated and often even don't want to know anything about mental health and it causes things like this. I am diagnosed with BPD and trying to get together for nine years now and my family is not accepting anything even when they hard doctors and other people trying to educate them or just make them understand something. Parents mostly thinks that child is going to grow up from that, it's not that bad, that they are making it sound so serious even if it's not and often that child grows up with fear to even ask for help or they genuinely thinks it's normal or they are going to handle it themselves. I am not going to protect or side with his parents, because obviously they fuckted up by not getting him any help or just ask him, try to help him and as an adult he probably did not even know what is happening to him so he did not get any help by himself. It's sad, I am really sad about this, because I know what it feels like. If people just tried to even accept that mental illnesses are as bad as physical, there would be probably less fear to get help or just talk to someone about their struggle. I really hope people would not use this case as trying to say people with mental illnesses are just crazy or something, because that happens and it just wrong.
And to try to "calm" down your son just because he embarrassing you is just horrible. This is not about him trying to embarrass him or anything, he needed help and to think that person is embarrassing you? What's wrong with his father? That person was hurting enough to not even comprehend what he is doing and all you think is he is damaging your reputation. Some people don't deserve kids, because if you can't get them basic things they need, you are just a terrible person.
@A G depends on the level of psychosis.
@A G kk, well I'm an undergraduate psychology student, and I'm going to look up what clinical neurobiology is cause I haven't got that far down the rabbit hole yet. I suffer from psychosis occasionally, my husband suffers from mental illness, and I've been inpatient 18 times since I was 17 years old. I've seen my husband launch himself downstairs amid police officers. I've seen officers try to restrain him he's been handcuffed, taxed, and pepper sprayed, they couldn't stop him. It took about 8 booty shots before he even slowed down. One of the patients during one of my stays suffered from religious delusions, like apparently she was obsessed with satanism then she ran to the other side of things being one of Christs Brides. She believed medication was of the devil and it took quite a bit to restrain her as well. Ive woken up restrained in hospital rooms with no memory and apparently I did a lot of damage in a psychosis induced fit. So, yeah....idk
Has anyone else noticed that Danielle's eyeshadow always matches her nailcolour. So cool! 😎
Yes, she said it herself ,it's not a coincidence
She's on fleek
Yeah I just realized it in this episode! I noticed it on the last I watched so I made it a point to see if she did in this one too and I just love it
Sometimes she matches her lips instead. Like when she has red nails she matches her lips pretty perfect.
She’s said on another video that her make up is always made to match her nails.
How did none of his family recognize that he clearly he was Schizophrenic or severely Bipolar? He should've been hospitalized against his will. It's his family's fault any of this happened. Jesus christ.
Thow shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain!
Honestly, he might’ve had a psychotic break on top of all that. But my mom was schizophrenic and bipolar and although she would get violent, she never attacked anyone. But, everyone is different.
Yep. His dad knew something wasn’t right but was embarrassed. Either that, or he just didn’t give a rip. Maybe both. 🤷♀️
@@nicholasp.capobiancojr.1312 by “in vain” it means being hateful or preaching wrong doings. Jesus doesn’t give a shit if you say his name like that, he gives a shit if you’re being a bigot. Jesus Christ
Schizophrenics tend not to have definitive splits. His behaviour, memory lapses & different capabilities during times a part is taking over is way more like someone with DID.
I can't imagine something scarier than experiencing reality slip away in the way it must have slipped away for Austin...he needed help so badly and cases like these are simply tragic because of how many warning signs there were
Alcohol and drugs are also triggers to it as well, it’s almost like a chemical switch in the brain . I’m “ pro pot “ ( if that’s how you would say it) but it can sometimes trigger certain mental illnesses
Kind of strange that he was aware that reality was slipping, usually there isn't a realization/self-awareness of how strangely one is acting or thinking. I believe he was unwell and wonder how this manifested so differently than expected. Aren't we fragile and complicated creatures while also being strong and resilient. Lots of gray without the black-and-white we are used to.
@@cphilips66 that’s such a misconception there can definitely be momentary awareness in psychotic disorders it just usually doesn’t last/is inconsequential
@@XYZ-kb3mm peehaps you're right. I was speaking from my experiences with folks slipping into schizophrenia, bipolar, and dissociative states. They never were able to see the break between "reality" and their changing perceptions.
Do you have a scientific site where I can learn more? Thanks!
@@Liquethemodel I was going to say the same thing; if youre already predisposed to schizophrenia, experimenting with lots of different drugs, especially the psychedelics, can trigger it to manifest.
At one point during the attack he begged the officers to kill him "Kill me! I'm eating people! Kill me!"
A tragic case all round.
*Edit* I saw this on the Mr.Ballen channel. Thank you for the likes 👍 🤗
Maybe he thought if he did this the police would kill him and end his suffering?
It almost has sounded like a case of multiple personality disorder at times too because of statements like that... very complicated, weird and heckin sad.. :(
@@ariannegagnon3738 just so you know, definately not multiple personality disorder as that no longer exists as a diagnosis and is instead Dissasociative Identity Disorder, which can only form in early early childhood under very traumatic conditions. People with DID are not any more dangerous than your average person.
It's something I've learned a lot about and just wanted to share the info. Wish you well
seriously, he's like "what do i have to do to get the appropriate attention for my mental issues," this world is fucked
arianne gagnon sounds nothing like that? it sounds like psychosis …
Imagine "waking up" from a psychotic episode that might have just felt like THE worst nightmare, to find out that you have actually eaten flesh off someone's face.
Jesus I cannot even imagine, waking up is already a nightmare
His mom though....'My son is acting a little strange.' He just drank from a bottle of cooking oil and tried to fight his dad. Cops come and he's literally eating a person.
Just a little weird. A little odd. No more weird than Sue down the road who just cooked the Robertsons.
@@Yukinoomoni Really? Omg..
@@Loveandlight445 no, lol, I was using hyperbole as a joke. Apologies.
@@Yukinoomoni 😂😂😂
Can you even drink cooking oil-
He should have been hospitalized no later than the point where he decided he was Jesus. It was so obvious from that point that he was having a manic episode with psychotic features. He could have been helped. This could have been prevented. This whole case just breaks my heart.
He couldn’t have been hospitalized at this point unless he consented to it. It is damn near impossible to successfully invoke the Baker Act unless the person has already done something to harm others or themselves. I HIGHLY recommend the book Crazy by Pete Earley if you want to learn more about how heartbreaking these Baker Act laws are (each state has a different name but they’re all the same thing).
Yeah you can't have someone hospitalized unless they're a danger to themselves or others. They would have to come in on their own will and seek help. Pretty much if you're not hurting anyone, there's no harm done. And if you don't want help, then that's your choice. Unless you can get it deemed that the person is incompetent to make their own medical decisions. Which is hard to do.
Why didn’t they bring him to the hospital, like a million times in this story, to be evaluated.
Probably they were embarrassed and worried others would find out he’s crazy or it would somehow be on record to stop his career. Your medical record is private, but maybe they didn’t think it would be that much. I’m not sure their reasoning
When you asked “he’s not on drugs, what could make him do this?” my answer was “bipolar with psychosis or schizophrenia with a mood disorder” & then that’s what he was diagnosed with lol…can you tell I’ve seen this before? 😬
Before she got to the diagnosis that was also my first thought. It was very clear he was going through a psychotic break and noone helped him. Its very clear why he did what he did. I think this is the one time you CAN make excuses for the murderer. He was not aware of what was happening. Hes nor a monster. Hes a person who needed help and didn't get it before he did the unimaginable. And now he has to live with that for the rest of his life.
i found this case incredibly sad and not weird at all tbh. Mental disorders present in so many ways, and yes, i agree with you. I see people in the comments saying " well i have got that disorder and i dont eat peoples faces" .. and thats because they got the help they needed right? Stigma around mental health issues is still prevalent in this modern world and sadly theres many that go undiagnosed and without treatment for whatever reason.. breaks my heart.
My friend had an episode, he rly had super human strength and fortunately we (all friends) rly passed him around 24/7 so that he wouldn't do anything bad/dumb. He did a lot of strange things. Not sleeping for 2 weeks without substances is always mania. The most important thing is having friends or family that helps you.
He is today normal, but was another guy for several yares. The "new him" and the old him have sens murged in to one.
He was about to beat the shit out of me 1 time and he wasn't normally a strong guy. But as I felt the strength I knew the only way to get him calm was to hug him and tell him we all loved him. Fighting him would not hav ended in a good way...
I was thinking schizoaffective disorder. So sad for him.
I have a mood disorder/personality disorder and have also read up on all those neurological Illnesses. So I can mostly tell if someone could possibly have a neurological disorder if not caused by drugs. Neurological illnesses that affect mental state can present themselves as exhibiting symptoms of each other, like how Bipolar Disorder and Personality Disorders can come with Delusions. Schizophrenia and Autism can both come with Delusions. All these neurological illnesses have symptoms that cross over. I’m a teenager obviously and not diagnosed with one or two mental disorders until my brain is finished developing (for context I just hit 17 around two weeks ago and brain development finishes between 18 - 25).
The fear you feel during psychosis is unimaginable. Every time I’ve had an episode I’ve landed myself in the hospital. It’s awful and horribly sad that Austin’s parents and friends watched him spiral and did nothing. He was suffering and sadly took another life with him, the system and his family failed him.
The fraternity ( freemasonry) mentally beat him till the very end.
Same. I went through psychosis the first time for about 6 months at the age of 17 so my heart goes out to him and I hope he gets better.
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They tried. As someone who had been hospitalized multiple times. Quit blaming them. The Mom called and asked for help . They said...well he hasn't done anything. There is calls of her asking.
Oh she called? Was that before or after sue took him back to dinner? He did not have a/any support from his family. If my child had drank cooking oil he def wouldn’t be taken back to dinner with his father…he would have been taken DIRECTLY to a hospital…oh she called…seriously??
It's sad not only because of the victims but also Austin. He clearly had issues and his father response was trying to drug him everytime he saw him acting weird. How did no one in his family tried to help him?
I honestly believe that, had he been properly diagnosed in time and helped accordingly, Austin wouldn't have done any of this. I believe this is one of the very rare cases where Austin cannot be held fully accountable whatsoever and he shouldn't even attempt to go to trial. if they want to give him a punishment they shouldn't go with jail time because this boy needs help more than anything else. I don't believe he's violent, and I believe that, treated properly, he could very well be reintegrated easily in society.
i agree that with proper treatment he could have reintegrated, but unfortunately after this event and the guilt that he lives with has probably taken such a toll on his mental state on top of the psychotic episodes, i'm not sure he could ever come back from this. it would take years and years and years of treatment for him to even be somewhat stable, in my opinion. but i do think that's owed to him after years of no one getting him the help he needed.
@@leeloj well said! He inadvertently cried out for help a few years before all of this ending & the tragedy that ensued. Good lookin’ fella at the dawn of his life. Tragic.
Wow! I've heard a few TH-camrs cover this 911 call but never heard the full story. I almost feel sad for the young man. Everyone in his life ignored the copious amount of signs that he was unwell and needed help. Obviously I feel worse for the victims but it's quite tragic to me that no one noticed that boy needed help long before he committed the atrocious act he did.
This case is sad as hell but it's not confusing at all. A severe manic episode with psychosis explains literally everything he did- the grandiose and invincible feelings, the 2 hours of sleep a night, the bizarre behaviors, delusions about who he was, hallucinations. All of it fits.
I really feel for Austin, as someone with diagnosed schitzoaffective disorder bipolar type I really understand the fear he would have felt in his psychotic episodes. I hope he gets the help he needs and can find a way to live with his disorder.
I feel worse for the family and friends of his victims. Imagine knowing your sister/brother had someone stab them to death and eat thier flesh while trying to enjoy a nice evening.
Or the neighbor who tried to help, but only got stabbed and trauma for his good dead.
This dude, belongs in jail or a psych ward. People capable of this violence can't be trusted to take thier meds.
I think his dad is probably one of the main reasons that catalyze his spiral. Every time his dad is mentioned he always did something that pushes his son further into his psychotic state.
Maybe but also bipolar disorder can just come and go whenever. It sounds like Austin lived mostly with his father than his mother from what I understood because rarely is the mom mentioned in this story
@@three7446 she said that when Austin’s parents got divorced him and his sister literally lived with his mother and he went back to his moms house when he came back from college?? The mom may not be mentioned because like the comment said above his being out with his dad can lead to him getting worse…
The parents should feel guilty because they saw how their son was acting and they just let him storm out like they didn't want to deal with him. A lot of this is their fault especially the dad.
Agree 100%. I commented something similar. &fanother poster remarked something about red flags & if someone, ANYONE close to him actually PAID ATTENTION, he could’ve got the help he so desperately needed. they were h could’ve been done. It didn’t have to end that way!
Dad could have been a trigger yes
I actually heard Mr. Ballen cover this case as well. It's really interesting the very different approaches to storytelling that you both used to explain it. Mr Ballen went more into the victim's side and you've done a great job explaining Austin's background. Truly a horrific case.
Has anyone noticed how Danielles eye look always matches her nails? It’s so cute 😂
I watched a video in which she says that is how she does it. Her makeup always matches her nails. :)
His father was dead wrong. He knew good and well his son was unwell and ignored it.
Surely his mother could’ve 5150 him. I don’t think either tried hard enough.
Yup!
I agree! I think his father was more embarrassed and worried how people would think of HIM , not Austin. And what was he thinking trying to give him booze and pills KNOWING there is something extremely wrong with his son. SMH
I agree 100%!
@@jennifergonzales4230 yeah. Why would you offer a clearly disturbed person substances to exasperate the problem? Just to shut him up? It’s sick.
You obviously don't know anything about what 5150 really means if you think that. Quit trying to quite things you see on TV but don't understand.
Nothing said in this shows his mom had any reason for any use of the Baker Act (which is what it's actually called in Florida).
this is one of the few times where I feel bad for the murderer and wish him the best. It was really out of his control what he did, I just hope he is finally getting the help and medication that he needed
He's not even a murderer at this point tbh it was totally manslaughter cuz it was an accident
My sister has schizoaffective disorder bipolar type and listening to you tell the story of Austin’s decline was very reminiscent of hers. At first just slightly off behaviors that just deteriorated. When in psychosis she was obsessed with putting love in the world and she would hear and see demons as well. She was also overly worried about family. Obviously there was much more than this, and she never committed a crime like Austin’s. She’s now medicated and on disability and doing much better, but listening to you tell this story was very hard in some ways. Well told.
My sister has schizoaffective too and I could tell at the very beginning of the story that he was having very similar experiences as she has had.
This is such a tough case to listen to. These murders are devastating but I didn’t expect to feel bad for the murderer. He was clearly showing signs of mental illness and no one was able to help him enough to prevent this.
they were able but just didn't
Sounds to me this kid needed help badly and no one did anything to help him. I'm half way through and so stressed out. Hearing all of this shit he's doing and not hearing that anyone is helping him. I don't even no what happens yet and I'm sure it's horrible and I feel bad already but I can't help but feel like everyone failed him.
as someone who has experienced a manic episode with psychosis, I 100% recognized these signs in Austin. It was hard to hear the episode as I would cringe remembering some of the absolutely wild stuff I did and the thoughts and images that would flash before my eyes but nothing connecting them. You black out. Those bits and pieces are the stuff you can remember. And then everyone else tells you the rest.. and you cringe because you know they're right. But it was all so out of character for you, everyone becomes confused by your erratic behaviour and you're left to pick up the pieces afterwards..
I absolutely feel for everyone involved in this situation.
absolutely. I had anxiety-induced paranoia episodes, and all I remember was that intense fear, everywhere I went. I can't imagine going more than a week like that.
thank you for being brave enough to speak about your own mental health xo
Same here! When I was experiencing psychosis, I believed I could heal people with light beams, I was descended from lions and my proof was that I am a Leo and so are two of my sisters and mother. I believed I had to save the world because of the things I would see in my dreams. I’d see demons and aliens in my room and hear this awful, extremely loud screeching noise, like nails on a chalk board mixed with screams. I tried to get help from the hospital and mental health facility. It’s a very, very scary place to be in.
@@scrawberryshawtcake I totally feel you. I had the same kinds of bizarre thoughts. Like I could touch the floor and feel everyone's energy and vibes through it. I'm usually more reserved but I was a motor mouth during that time. Thought as long as I washed/splashed my face with water, I would be alright. It was the fountain of youth. One of my friends apparently came to visit me and came in to see all these yogurt containers all over the floor and apparently my mouth was all pasty and dry looking like I hadn't drank anything in days.. 😳 I had no idea that even happened. I don't even know where the yogurt came from. (Which is kind of amusing/funny I'll admit. Sometimes you just have to take it in stride and laugh bc it's better than beating yourself up and crying for something that was completely of your control).
Those were some of the more mild parts. Obviously I have more intense memories, but would rather still avoid thinking about them. Because how is that helpful to me? Y'know? Just leads to guilt and regret.. even though I was literally blacked out and didn't know what happened. [It has taken a lot of therapy and proper meds to get to this point of finally being able to process it.]
Also, the hospital too, I totally agree. I'm Canadian. Yeah our Healthcare system can work well. But first day in the psych ward and I witnessed this young woman sock a much older woman in the face. Her head smashed back into the window pain of the TV room I was in. I was scared AF. It wasn't like that the whole time.. but like.. just things like that..
I live about an hour from where it happened and whenever I walk my dog and see people hanging out in their garage, I think of this case. So, like multiple times a month. And I'm overwhelmed with sadness for the victims but also Austin. In interviews with him after, he seems devastated by it and his remorse is palpable. Then I also get a little nervous because it's so scary to think about how someone off the street can attack and kill for no reason. The whole thing is so haunting.
What led him to do these things…? The answer is exactly what you stated as his diagnosis… the highs of bipolar mania paired with psychosis. Severe mental illness left unchecked and swept under the rug by people who should have helped him seek treatment. That’s the answer. It’s not confusing, it’s not a bizarre outlandish fantasy scenario, it’s not a mystery by any means. This is something millions of people struggle with every single day. Granted, generally not to this extent, but still. There’s such a stigma around mental health issues and I’d hoped it would be discussed in this video with such an exemplary case, and I feel a bit disappointed that you seemed to add on to that by inferring that this is somehow still a mystery, as if bipolar mania or psychosis is some weird, unheard of “thing” that makes no sense.
I know, right? And how she kept harping on and on about him not drinking or doing drugs, like it's impossible for a sober person to suffer from mental illness for some reason. It was driving me up the wall for the entire video.
True his illness is to blame, but I do know multiple people who suffer with bipolar and psychosis and have been hospitalized because of it. They've never hurt anyone except themselves. So that diagnosis is not the full picture of what was going on in his mind
Ik!! I was thinking obviously this is some kind of mental health disorder not knowing specifically cuz I'm only familiar with depression and anxiety but that was clear to see ..
Exactly. This was my reaction to this video and made me instantly dislike this person's content. How can you list every single sign and symptom of mania and psychosis and then go "IdK WhY He DiD thiS. " People who don't understand what drove or caused such events to happen in cases like this are not cut out to report on something as serious as this.
So you think it's normal to believe you're a centaur, and drink cooking oil. And you're disappointed in this youtuber for saying it's weird. Ok.
I’m so glad you covered this case. The media and hearsay had many believing it was a vagrant hopped up on bath salts. I had no idea it was a young, sober man. It’s nice to know the truth. This case is devastating for everyone involved. It makes me wonder if Austin’s parents would have gotten him a proper psychiatric work up when he started exuding symptoms if things would have turned out differently. 😢
Yes! This. I’m from Florida and remember hearing about this case. Everyone said bath salts. No one talked about his mental health issues at all. I guess it’s easier to just believe someone is an addict then to recognize that this is something he couldn’t control and didn’t choose.
Same. Everyone down here in FL makes bath salts jokes and I actually didn't know about the mental health issues.
A “vagrant”? Talk about dehumanizing language. 🤢
@@TheJungaloo I don’t see vagrant as dehumanizing by definition. It means someone who wanders from place to place without the means of a permanent residence. It doesn’t mean the person is lesser than.
vagrant
vā′grənt
noun
1.) One who wanders from place to place without a permanent home or a means of livelihood.
2.) A wanderer; a rover.
3.) One who lives on the streets or constitutes a public nuisance.
I wonder if you’re conflating it with another case, because there was a man who was on bath salts who attacked and killed a homeless man and I believe may have cannibalized his face as well. That was around 2012 or so, also Florida.
Why didn’t his parents get him help?? They should be ashamed.
Well, to be fair at the end Danielle says that all of her family members had been proactively helping him and persuaded him to see a psychologist. And this all took place in the summer of 2016, ending on the 16th of August. Which means it was probably a span 1 - 2 months total.
I can’t help but agree. If my son showed up at my house and started chugging vegetable oil because he’s thirsty there is no way in hell I’m just going to take him back to a restaurant. He’s going to the ER. And that was just one of the crazy things he did the day he murdered those people.
@@HoldingOnForTheTab absolutely!
You can't say what you would do unless you are in the situation. My parents were in the situation and, because of the stigma associated with mental illness, and sometimes culture, some parents choose to ignore it. I have been there. Many people have been there.
A lot of, especially upper middle class people, don't want the "neighbors talking" so to speak and like to sweep mental health issues under the rug to put on airs in their community.
This was so upsetting to hear! I mean, true crime isn't a joy to listen to but this genuinely brought tears to my eyes. Everyone failed this poor boy and the inevitable happened. Austin was a victim too
Sitting here this case genuinely bought me to tears. My dad is schizophrenic and hearing this all is so close to home as I can recognise so many of the behaviours Austin is portraying in my dad. It’s so so sad he didn’t help help during his obvious deterioration.
The dog thing in particular made me sit bolt upright in my seat. My dad believed his house was full of spirits that were going to kill him. I once stayed at his house with my dog and he told me that night was the only night that he felt at peace and safe. He said my dog kept growling at nothing while sleeping with him and he felt she kept him safe. I let him take her for multiple days at a time because it was the only way I knew that he felt even slightly better.
The 15th of august (when Austin commits the murders) is also my mother’s birthday. I feel so weirdly connected to this case.
As do so many others
As a person with schizoaffective disorder, I'd put lots of money on Austin having the same thing. Schizoaffective is schizophrenia + either bipolar or depression. I have bipolar 1 type, and I believe he fits that bill, too. Schizoaffective, as with all psychotic disorders, are on a spectrum. His is ***Obviously a severe case (way more severe than mine), but everything from his going days without sleep to the racing thoughts to the confusion are symptoms of *very severe mania. Schizophrenia explains... everything else. Personally, I've been the lady on the floor because of demons. I thought a demon was after my son, and I slept on the floor so the demon would take me and not him (Disclaimer: I Am fully medicated now, my family was never in danger. I just kept trying to sacrifice myself for their safety.) Also an interesting note is I had the exact same college experience as Austin-- LSD/mushrooms/molly abuse and adderall to pass classes. He graduated college in 2007, problems started 2016. Exactly the same with me. Schizoaffective is almost def connected to abuse of hallucinogens in earlier years.
He was born in 98; so he was only 9 in 2007. He went to college in 2016, after finishing HS earlier that year & these events happened the following summer
I think its possible he had DID too. Especially him truly believing he was a dog and having severe memory loss in the moments hes believing hes a dog. He also "completely changes personality almost overnight". Bipolar is a more gradual switch. And his interests/values/wants etc change suddenly as well. Also extreme highs/lows and delusions can both be symptoms people with DID experience. Not to say that makes people with DID necessarily violent but during a psychotic break it could certainly make someone more likely. Unfortunately we arent his doctors and dont know the behind the scene details, only the story of a third hand encounter so we cant ever really know.
Another possibility, I self medicated from the time I was like 11(?) To 21. Around the time I went to college, my grandmother took all my meds that I was medicated. Once I wasn't self medicating all the psychotic features came flooding out because there was no barrier. That could have been a trigger as well.
@@ImJustShayeB true. medical marijuana is prescribed for a few mental illnesses. Like Bipolar, DID, Schizophrenia, Borderline Personality Disorder etc. I personally smoke to help with BPD symptoms. It is possible that him self medicating was putting his more intense symptoms in remission. Hence why he suddenly appeared more mentally ill when he became sober. But yeah, we can never really know and unfortunately a lot of theories fit.
@@cholecraig3540 Marijuana almost always intensifies psychotic symptoms and can also be a trigger for the onset of psychosis.
Regards Austin, he does not exhibit symptoms or history for DID. He also lacks symptoms for schizophrenia or for the schizoid element of schizoaffective disorder. Austin's diagnosis of bipolar with psychotic features is bang on. He was experiencing a manic episode with psychotic features at the time of the incident.
I just discovered your channel and am binging your videos.
This one really haunts me. This is really the most tragic story I've ever heard. He ended two people's lives in a horrific manner due to no fault of his own. Its heartbreaking to see mental illness destroy someone. This young man really got the sort end of the life stick.
I watched interviews with him after hearing about the case from you and the guilt and remorse he feels is hard to watch. I can't imagine.
I am as obsessed with Danielle's videos as I am with Bailey Sarian's. Danielle has her own individuality and approach to the cases and I so happy to have found her channel.
Same they are both so good but different:)
I agree! There is definitely more than one way to skin a cat. She is a force on her own
This is just so sad and just stresses how important mental health awareness is. It makes you think whether this would have happened or not if he had gotten the proper help and medication. It's just sad all around.
My heart actually goes out to Austin. As someone who has seen what mental illness can do to someone. And experienced myself. I feel for him... thoughts and prayers are with the victims families 💔
His brain wasn't functioning correctly. That's it.
It seems like it happened so quickly that the people around him didn't have enough time to fully comprehend what was going on. We don't know how many of the insane thoughts they were exposed to, either, and how much he was just thinking to himself at the time.
My sister had a sudden psychiatric breakdown a bit like this (without hurting other people). She's a large animal veterinary technician - an extremely difficult job that you need to be very skilled and level headed for. Then one day she started screaming at work that she'd been shot and writhing around on the ground.
That morning apparently (this came out afterwards) she'd been asking her flatmates "where am I?" But was totally normal other than that. one of them was worried about her driving so drove her to work. On the way to work apparently my sister kept randomly crying and asking where she was, and at one point asked if she was being kidnapped, but then would snap back to normal immediately after.
After the thing at work mum took her to our house and she would be totally normal then would randomly forget where she was again and start crying thinking she was lost. I thought maybe she had something damaged in her brain so we took her to the hospital and they kept her there for a week!! Now she has anti-psychotic medication and is fully functioning again but one always worried it'll happen again.
I've seen sooooo many crime cases now where this has happened to a young person with no history of mental illness. If the family doesn't do something IMMEDIATELY, the person often ends up missing, dead, or killing someone else :c
@@emeryltekutsu4357 I don’t know about that…he wanted to be a rapper; he was absolutely horrible. He’s like a little kid with ADHD, today I’ll be this, tomorrow I’ll be that. Fine for playing when you’re little but worrisome when you’re an ADULT.
@@jennifergonzales4230 This was only over the course of a couple months, and I don't know if he was in daily contact with everyone or if they even knew about what he did on the internet. I know my family has no idea what I do on my social media accounts.
I mean, I'm not trying to rap, I can say that much.
But I could see over the period of two months, if you don't see the person every day, you might not fully realize how bad the situation has gotten because probably no one thinks, "Oh, I bet he thinks he's a dog and s horse!"
@@emeryltekutsu4357 true.
I knew off the cuff while watching this he had bipolar. They go through cycles of mania and depression. I have a 12 year old who is bipolar and she cycles through mania and depression all in a day as most children with bipolar do. Adults go through these cycles for longer periods of time. Where Austin was failed at is, no one getting him the help he needed earlier on. I feel his parents saw he was struggling and failed to be more intentional with seeking help for him.
Firstly, let me preface this by saying that Austin and his victims were all let down by the people closest to him. This kid was practically *SCREAMING* for help, and no one stepped in until it was already too late, and people died because of it.
That being said, it's interesting to me how Austin was treated by police, especially when you compare him to an extremely similar case - the so-called "Bath Salt Zombie" which also occurred in Florida. I say "so-called" because, despite the name and persistent rumors, toxicology reports proved that the attacker in that case did not have any bath salts in his system, in fact the only thing he tested positive for was THC.
In that case, the attacker was a Haitian man who didn't have any weapons, but did eat one man's face off - though his victim survived the attack - and he was shot 5 times and killed. The police didn't even attempt non-lethal interventions, they shot him immediately.
Austin, on the other hand, did have at least one if not two weapons, and had three victims, two of whom died, and yet they tried every non-lethal intervention possible and ultimately managed to take him into custody alive.
Both of the attackers in this case were having psychotic episodes, both were naked, both were acting like animals during the attack, both ate the face of their victims, both of the attacks were on strangers who they happened upon randomly, both involved some sort of religious delusion, both happened in Florida, the parallels are eerie. But one attacker was brought in alive, and the other was shot and killed. One was white, one was brown.
It's especially interesting when you consider the fact that Austin was apparently involved with/a supporter of BLM.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Austin should have been shot by law enforcement, and I'm not necessarily saying that the other guy should have been brought in alive. It's more pointing out the fact that, in two almost identical cases, the one that you could point to as being the more dangerous situation was resolved without firing a shot, and the other was gunned down almost instantly, so you have to wonder if the determining factor came down to the color of their skin.
Food for thought.
Yeah I was thinking about how they were similar, but I didn’t realize just how much they’re practically identical, that’s so crazyyyy
yup. goes to show that many people are still instinctively racist, the disconnect of innate human empathy that those officers had for the black man compared to how much they had for the white kid really shows the instilled sense of the "otheredness" for other races they had
I was literally so creeped out the cops didn’t shoot Austin like he’s EATING SOMEONE and he won’t stop. I think that’s fair to shoot him dead. I can’t believe they risked getting near him even to hold him down because Austin managed to beat up the police dog too. It’s so disturbing. I guess they wanted to have Austin alive to send him to trial, but truly I feel like that’s unfair to sentence Austin to a hospital for insanity and to have nurses risk their lives by being with someone as dangerous as Austin. I hate to say it but part of me thinks he would be better off dead where he can’t hurt anyone anymore
This was exactly my thought watching this even before seeing your comment. They indeed tried every possible means because he was white, but on the other hand would have shot a black man in the same situation. What a shame.
Yeah I mean, look at the comments on this video
Everyone has acknowledged that this kid was let down by the system and his family-dialogue around the zombie incident had NONE of this
I’m bipolar and can somewhat empathize with Austin. I was never violent but I understand his confused and crazed mentality. When your mind is racing, completely random ideas come to you but they feel so very convincing. It’s all emotional thinking, there is no logical thought at that moment.
This case is truly heart wrenching.... I'm left feeling so sad for Austin, which I know sounds horrific considering his actions... but my god he was so sick, and no one ever gave a shit enough to really help him... truly just so sad...
except it wasn’t Austin who did what he did. His mental state was horrible. i’m
not sure what’s up with the comments saying things like “i can’t help but feel bad for Austin” or “i know i shouldn’t but i feel bad for austin” when people should 100% feel bad for him. He was not in the right mental state. I feel horrible for him. To go through something you barely remember and it’s not really you who did it would be horrible and horrific. It’s normal to
feel bad for the victim and austin
@@jayorila you are 100% correct. Needed to realize its ok to feel sad for people in these types of cases. I cannot imagine his fear during the attacks... and now I will say I just truly feel sadness for him, without needing to add an "even though" or an "i know i shouldn't." Thank you for commenting ♡
Yes, of course I feel bad for the people he killed and harmed, however that was not in his control...all his other thoughts were to help others and high level of empathy for peoples problems on one end, then the switch to the other and he is eating people. I agree with Danielle, in this case I feel true insanity. Not that I want someone to kill and eat me, but if the person who did was like this, then I feel they need a hospital and not a jail.
@@brianqrcode1673 I agree, jail is absolutely not the right place for Austin. He needs real help and care.
he had it really bad. if he had just gotten help at the right time, then this would have never happened. his sister and friends and girlfriend should have realized too, not just his parents
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I’ve experienced psychosis before and I’m SO thankful my parents got me help quickly.
I've only experienced mild paranoia, not from a chronic or cyclical condition like Schizophrenia but I had a nearly deadly illness that caused lesions to form on my brain. I'm sure you understand when I say, in the moment, you feel like you are being completely reasonable and right. It's truly terrifying how little someone experiencing this can do to self-intervene in a safe manner. I was even psychiatrically evaluated at the worst of it and they didn't pick up any indication that I was overly paranoid, and I even talked the dude's ear off about how I felt like my boss was targeting me and trying to embarrass me and screw me over, etc.
I’m sorry but,
“There is a young man beating up a woman”
“Are either of them hurt?”
….Ma’am what🤨
Why did you flinch like that?
dispatchers ask dumb questions SMH...called 911 for shots fired heard about a block or so away from me, while laying in bed.I was asked if I saw anything.🤦🏾🙄😑 like yeah I saw everything 2 blocks away from my bed.
@@afenismama mine put me on hold I was like aite fck it lmao I tried
@@afenismama 😂
@@k.c4178 the hail-
I remember when this happened. Everyone still says he was high on bath salts. I think they just wanted a reason as to why someone would do something like this. So sad.
I agree with you, I think people don't like admitting that mental problems could lead to something like this as it means anyone could turn into an unwilling killer overnight so they prefer blaming this kind of behaviours on drugs as its easier to blame the person and find some kind of closure
I agree with you I'm from the area and which this happened and was always under the impression that he was either on bath salts or flakka. And I think that's the way it was reported.
I'm from central FL and remember when this happened I thought the same, but only because there was a recent case where a homeless man in Miami had eaten someones face after taking bath salts. I think because of the similarities of the crimes, the police and media made it seem that Austin's case involved the same drugs. This whole case is really sad.
I feel like quite often people will try and use any explanation other than mental illness because they either don't believe in it or don't want to admit that it can have such severe results. It's amazing how much stigma is still attached to psychosis in particular when the world is supposedly so "enlightened" regarding mental health. It's really difficult to get help or even to get doctors to believe that things are as bad as you say they are. I really feel for him in this case, he was seriously let down by all the people around him who saw him getting stranger and more disturbed but just let it be.
It’s so sad. Mental illness shouldn’t be treated like this, if we as a whole were more supportive we probably wouldn’t be the country with the highest crime rates. Smh.
A close friend of my sister had an episode like this when I was in high school. His parents didn't believe in medication, psychiatry or any of that. Their solution was prayer, church, the family dr (no counselor, therapist or psych) and a very strict schedule and even stricter rules. He was "just a kid" and his opinion & wants didn't matter to his parents, and in the end he lost the fight. He had no memory of what he did and didn't believe them until they showed him the crime scene pics. :(
My heart goes out to him 🥺
This case is so sad in so many ways. Poor Austin. He must have been so frightened and I'd have hated to be inside his head.
And of course it's sad for the victims and their families. My heart goes out to all of them.
Austin really needed professional help. So many obvious signs. I feel for him.
I don't understand how his parents didn't see this and get him some help. There were so many times someone could have intervened. A good psychologist and some meds could have changed the outcome of this.
@@ASMR-Arboretum Many parents neglect or ignore any mental illness, depression or psychological problems in their kids and just get used to thier kid behaving like that as it's normal. It's common in Asian countries, for them depression, psychological problems or anxiety are not an actual condition.
I can only imagine how his father would have taken that. That Austin wasn't "normal". 🙄 *gasp* what will the Joneses say?
There are people who can't feel pain, maybe he's one of them. Also Austin had so many signs for psychosis and he didn't get the help he needed soon enough. My heart goes out to the victims families.
yeah, it's called pain asymbolia, it happens when severe trauma produces lesions in some part of the brain (i can't remember which bit). normally it happens after a stroke, but for Austin (cause he's so young) it could have been from something else.
it was adrenaline
I'm guessing it was linked to the psychosis. It's wild what some people can shake off or even inflict upon themselves in altered states.
I'm so sorry for everyone in this case. I also wish Austin had help sooner. The cost of medical care must play a part - not easy to even consider hospitalisation when it has always come at a crippling price. Not saying Australia has a perfect or even adequate health system - but some of my friends survived their psychotic breaks, and their subsequent diagnoses changed lives - because you don't have to worry as much about the cost of medical treatment.
My heart breaks for all involved, and I know you all are strong - all the best ❤
I just unknowingly watched this on the night of the anniversary, so haunting. Mental health is so, so important and man could have intervened way before this happened. I wish psych/mental health was apart of our core curriculum in the US.
As a bipolar person that has similar symptoms it's so upsetting to see all these things that are SO obviously troubling but no one did anything
Yeah this songs like me when I’m manic, the only difference is, my family and support system has caught it and gotten me help before it’s gotten worse.
Same…. And completely agree!
It’s a shame cause he had a good heart but if he would’ve gotten the help he needed or at least the support he would’ve been doing great things as we speak
I remember this case because Austin went to the same Elementary & Middle School as my son. This actually happened right up the road from our house.
Austin was CLEARLY exhibiting the onset of Schizophrenia. How NO ONE ( meaning his PARENTS!!) tries to get this poor kid some psychological help is beyond me!! This whole thing was 1,000% PREVENTABLE!!! Such a sad situation...
You cover the best cases! And ones I’ve never heard of
So true! Keep growing and keep educating.
So good to hear those! The most famou cases, I've heard over and over.
Agreed!!
I've heard this case and from Mike from That Chapter, I love him but i LOVE & appreciate how much detail and depth she gets into and reveals etc. great work hun! :)
I wouldn't call them the best cases. Nothing "best" about people dying. She does a good job bringing to light cases of people swept under the rug. Eleanor N. does a good job informing people of victims that deserve to be known as well
Parents, if your child is not acting like themselves please please find a way, anyway you can to get them help.
A lot of cases happen because the kids don't realize that they need help or have a mental illness. Usually, the parents know or notice and don't get them help, a lot of innocent lives could've been saved if these kids just had some therapy or help.
This ^^^^ and if you know something is off with your kid don't let doctors brush you off and say its hormones, puberty, just being a teen, etc. keep pushing and fighting, you're their best advocate in the medical world.
@@tlh1998 YES! do not let Doctors change your mind. You know your kid better than a doctor.
Adrenaline can do a lot, I feel like he wasn't "feeling" pain because he was so amped up and scared in that moment. From what it seems he was truly in the throes of psychosis. Just heartbreaking all around.
Yeah seriously, any normal person who drank bleach, even diluted bleach, would immediately be in excruciating pain to the point where they would most likely be incapacitated even if the bleach wasn't also causing extensive internal damage.
yes, adrenaline is one hell of a drug
@DanielleKirsty- As you're telling his thoughts and behavior, I'm over here shaking me head 'yes' and saying he is bipolar. I'm bipolar and I can relate to a lot of what he was thinking, feeling, and doing. The extreme highs and extreme lows. Have an inflated ego. Thinking you are invincible. Being paranoid. Being obsessed. Flip flopping what you want to do or become. Having a mental illness is terrifying. I wish he could of gotten the help that he desperately needed.
this case brakes my heart... everybody loses and I'm not saying that the murder is justified, it can't be. But as my heart goes to the victims' families it also goes to Austin and his family. To be that confused and feeling so helpless knowing that there's something wrong with him. Also: so many signs and so little help for a young person. Idk is just sad.
as soon as you started to describe austins mental state, his fluctuating personalities, his extreme highs, and his feeling of having superpowers/ being invincible i knew he was bipolar. as someone who is bipolar, i could somewhat see myself in austin, but obviously not this extreme.
Yes I thought bipolar or schizophrenia
me too. it scares me to know that i have the potential to go through the same thing if i'm not on my medication. everyone failed him.
Or bpd
This is EXACTLY what i am thinking. (Also diagnosed with bipolar here)
I thought the exact same.
Shock is a hell of a drug. That's the only reason Jeff was so calm
And also why Austin was able to fight off a police dog and tasers
I was lowkey weirded out by Danielle's confusion in the video but I guess that's just how neurotypicals react to this kind of stuff
The answer to this case is: mental illness makes you incoherent and unhinged, and extreme or impulsive acts can happen during a manic episode. Sometimes you start to believe in insane things that only make sense to you because your brain is going bananas and you're not thinking rationally
Nothing makes sense because mental illness makes you not make sense (I once thought the government was spying on me and reading my conversations to find the silly fanfic I read and expose it to my parents. I was 20...)
It’s in incredibly sad story and I was disappointed by the lack of empathy for what he was so clearly going through.
She’s been pretty unproblematic before this. I’m a little let down.
@@quark5218 can you tell me what whay problematic about this?
Same. I heard about this case before, but it was presented with much more empathy and respect. Sadly, Danielle was judging way too much.
@@marisolvekaric75 where the hell did you see judgment? Confusion and judgment are not the same.
I guess the reason this one makes me so upset is because it was all so preventable. Mental and emotional health is so much more important than so many people are willing to give value to.
This is so heartbreaking, literally everything you describe about his behavior is textbook bipolar disorder and maybe even paranoid schizophrenia. Both of which, often start to manifest themselves between the ages of 18 and 25 or so
This is what I said! Textbook bipolar I
Um ... no, having bipolar disorder myself, I know we don't see dark figures or have a god complex & we don't act that reckless like running into traffic, drinking bleach etc.
It's more likely schizophrenia... please don't spread misinformation about bipolar disorder, thanks.
@@thequeenmaureen37 RIGHT! People are so uneducated yet so willing to deliver their opinion as a fact and misinform.
It really doesn't sit right with me
@@thequeenmaureen37 the mental health Field is such a underestimated and confusing pond to jump into, all symptoms cross Into other potential diagnoses and you just have to hope you get the right diagnosis and treatment.
I’m so happy that this hasn’t been your experience with bipolar disorder. Or what is viewed as bipolar disorder.
But don’t dismiss that this could be symptoms of bipolar disorder that is left untreated or isn’t Monitored properly.
@@cve7051 I am bipolar myself, and while I haven’t experienced delusions, it absolutely is a symptom of extended, severe manic episodes (likely due to the lack of sleep). It is not offensive to those of us who are bipolar to discuss this.
I don’t understand how someone didn’t get Austin help before this happened… Austin’s mother probably had motherly instinct but WHY did she wait until it got so out of control.. surely his behaviour was incredibly mental before this happened. This totally could’ve been prevented… I feel so bad for everyone involved…
this story breaks my heart because i think its one of the only times where the insanity plea is necessary. that sort of psychosis is so terrifying when you are experiencing it yourself and im so mad his friends and family didnt do anything. i truly dont think he had any idea what he was doing; that sort of fear-induced haze is terrifying and i think he thought he was defending himself.
out of all the truecrime I've seen on this case, you went the most in-depth into Austin's mental health. i enjoyed that aspect.
Austin’s mom probably had a gut feeling something happened when it happened. Motherly instincts. omg crazy. Austin sounds like the man from the movie “Split.” when they were trying to taser him
yeah something about chugging oil seems a bit foreshadowing, bet her womanly spider senses were tingling, a non mother wouldn't* have seen this coming...................
you still have time to delet dis
Doubt it, she would’ve helped him sooner
No, that's not a real thing, kid.
I was thinking the same, mother instinct.
100%, where were her Mum senses on the 150 other red flags - and when she called she said he was acting a ‘little’ strange...understatement of the century
The fact that he “changed over night” actually kind of makes sense for someone his age who has BPD. A lot of people start experiencing major symptoms from age 15-19 & even though he did experience some symptoms as a child BPD also tends to get worse with age if left untreated & paired with alcohol & drug use. Probably all of the drinking in the frat house caused him to experience major symptoms which is probably why he stopped drinking & thought it was evil. This is why it’s so important to take mental health seriously especially as a parent. If he had gotten the help he needed there’s a good chance this tragedy wouldn’t have happened.
I don't think you understand what borderline personality disorder (bpd) is .....
@@NicoleMcGuey I was assuming they meant bipolar disorder? Wrong acronym though.
@@NicoleMcGuey yeah i think they mean bipolar disorder
@@NicoleMcGuey I also think they mean bipolar. And it seems he had states of mania and states of depression.
Yes I do agree they must have meant bipolar looking back at it now... But I am diagnosed borderline n I may have been out of line but I got slightly offended when a person used the "bpd" acronym to describe this behavior
Love this eye look. Very pretty! Makes your blue eyes pop.
This is a CRAZY case. I almost feel bad for Austin. I mean, it sounds like he was truly in a bad place mentally and really did not know what he was doing. I’m sure his mom feels very guilty about what happened. Here she thought only Austin was a threat to himself when she called 911. As a parent, I can’t imagine what she’s gone through either. But, of course, my heart very much so goes out to the couple who so tragically lost their lives. And in such a horrendous way. God Bless the neighbor for trying to come to their rescue. I’m sorry he was injured so badly as well. I truly hope he has been able to find some peace. Somehow. And I hope he doesn’t suffer with any long term medical issues from his injuries he sustained. This case is just incredibly sad. Very very sad. Ugh.
"here, have a benzodiazepine..."
Austin clearly was having a severe psychotic break for a prolonged period. And while I obviously wasn't there etc, don't know what his family saw and was aware of, but I am baffled that it went on for so long and no one intervened.. sooo many red flags for so long.
I would feel sad if the parents read any of these comments about them not helping. They had persuaded him to see a psychologist and this all took place in a span of 1-2 months. This may not seem like enough help to you, but we can never know exactly how their family functioned. To me it seems disrespectful to judge on that.
@@ConnorAdventure yep, offering a unprescribed benzodiazepine isn't helpful though. And that's also why I said I don't know everything, and wasn't there. I am baffled he didn't get help until he'd killed someone. There were a lot of red flags there for a while, and no one seemed to see them. I don't know why they didn't. There may be a valid reason.
I also doubt his parents are watching a murder.mystery TH-cam about their son.
Hindsight is 20/20. I'm not judging the parents. They didn't make anyone do anything and mental illness is a hard one to deal with anyway. But am I still baffled that his psychosis, where he didn't sleep, was hallucinating, had delusional idealation went on for months, yes.
Am I baffled that he was loping across a beach believing he was a dog and the response was have a controlled drug not prescribed for you? Yes.
This whole case is a heartbreaker.
And good for you trying to see all sides.
@@Alimagify it's quite common to give benzodiazepines to people when they are psychotic or manic, because it slows the nervous system which can slow the racing thoughts, calm heightened emotions, and sedate the person, making it easier for professionals to take control of the situation.
@@AccordionThis oh I understand how they work, but I don't believe handing out unprescribed drugs without a medical professional over seeing it is the way to go. They're highly addictive and have some awful side effects. Hence you need a prescription for them.
It may have helped of Austin had taken one. But a one off dose was never going to be enough to help him long term. Especially as being anti substance was part of his psychosis.
And I don't expect his parents to be mental health professionals or anything, but as a general rule, in majority of situations, no one should be just handing out unprescribed drugs.
@@Alimagify yeah, I generally agree, although I do think that if he'd taken the xanax he might have calmed enough to stop this incident on that day.
Sadly, Austin reminds me of someone I dated when I was a teenager. He showed signs of psychosis but I wasn't able to recognize them. Years later I found out that he developed bizarre ideas of "purity", persecutory delusions, and paranoia. Last I heard, he still refuses medical help. It's incredibly sad. I hope that one day he's willing to receive help. No one deserves with live like that.
My ex’s younger brother was like this. Obsessed with purity. Thought he was here to save people. Etc. i had also told my ex at the time when we were dating. And his mom. That he’s having a psychotic episode. And might have schizophrenia. But I later apologized for saying that cause it’s not my place to say. But mh ex and his mom used to choke it up to oh it’s just him. He’s like that. He’s just crazy. And now I realize I could have done more for the brother.
The first time I ever heard about this case, I was in shock that his family didn't recognize he desperately needed help and a proper evaluation. There were a lot of parts you talked about that I hadn't heard before but it's honestly even more shocking that no one recognized the severity of the situation.
Makes me so sad that he didn’t get the help he needed before ruining his life. It’s unfair because he didn’t know what he was doing and this disorder is so so rare. Heard about this case from Mr.Ballens video on it and I’ll literally never forget it. So unfortunate in so many ways :(
This disorder is not that rare.
Around his age, mental health issues such as these, can just start to present. Probably why people felt like it was overnight that he changed. It is really sad on several fronts. Due the stigma around mental health, most people will disregard a lot of signs or attribute them to something else.
Also, nothing has to happen for a person to have a bipolar disorder or other mental health problems. Mental illness can be caused by defects in the 🧠. So, there is not always a reason/ triggering event for the onset.
This case is so heartbreaking. I honestly don't blame Austin for what happened and I hope he manages to get the help he so obviously needs instead of being thrown in to prison. I also hope the families of the victims find peace. We need better health care for the people who are not mentally well. It's sad how often things like this happen
It’s so sad what happened his mental state was deteriorating I feel bad for the victims of this case it’s so horrible
I have bipolar and have had psychosis (you can get psychosis with bipolar and not just schizophrenia) and this sounds exactly like it. I think it's a duty to seek help if you feel you are either endangering yourself and especially others. If we don't take medication we are 100% in the wrong
Austin: Drinking tons of water he thinks is from the "fountain of youth"
Dad: Get this boy some alcohol, STAT!
Austin: No, I just want to drink my 13 cups of water
Dad: Oh yeah, that's totally normal, no problems here. Get this boy a switchblade!
His father should have recognized water poisoning.
And a xanax!!
I don't think his dad knew the WHY. He had previous mental health issues so I don't think his dad realized it was a whole different mental health disorder.
@@ereristark425 I think his dad should have recognized his behavior was erratic and he needed help, not alcohol, weapons, or unprescribed pills. There was no way for anyone to know he was a danger to himself or others, but the warning signs were ignored by his dad. It's unfortunate that his sister couldn't get him in to see a counselor before the stabbings, but she saw what was going on and did everything she could to help.
Lol, right? I was thinking the same thing, why would you ever think it would be okay to take a mentally unstable person to a gun show?
Maybe he was able to fight off the cops and dog because he had such a massive amount of adrenaline and the mania was so powerful that he didn’t feel any pain.
Poor guy, it must have been so terrifying to go through all that and after he’s had the treatment he needs, he’ll have to live with knowing he did that.
Yes! It's the adrenaline and that's hugely from the sleep deprivation. I know several persons who struggle with that and have had episodes...
It was most likely excited agitated delirium
This story has been "done" by many channels so I almost skipped it, but I'm glad I didn't! There are so many additional details you provided that others did not. Thank you for the work you put into the channel.
This was a tough one for me to listen to. It resonates with a brother of mine. I haven’t talked to him in a year. He was having a clear mental breakdown, grandiosity and not sleeping. Obsessing over the “evil” in the world. We think he might be bipolar and he has depression but he won’t do anything to help himself. He flat out refuses to get any help for himself. And he has been taken to the hospital for a mental evaluation but he lies. He’s smart and knows what to say and how to act to make it seem like everything is fine and he’s just “sad” and having a hard time. The last time we really talked to him he told us that unless he can have things his way (staying at my moms house to “process” his life without any expectation to work on his mental health or get a job) my family and I are saying goodby to him and turning our backs on him. He didn’t get his way because he wont deal with his mental health so he won’t talk to us. I send him messages still but I never get response. I worry about him constantly.
Have you managed to get through to him at all? I hope he’s doing ok
The saddest part of this story is that Austin didn’t receive the help he clearly needed.
That and by the family's blatant disregard for what his issues were he killed 2 other people.
I think those two victims are the saddest part of this story.
the parents were in absolute denial... ive experienced it on my skin, parents saying "nothing is wrong" in the face of a mental breakdown.... unfortunately they took it a lot further with Austin. complete denial. everyone could have survived if they bit the bullet and got him real help.
Danielle: “Today’s case brings us back to Florida.”
No one in America is surprised. 😆
(No shade FL 😉)
My exact reaction
My thoughts as well 😂
As a Floridian, we’re not surprised either lol
My sister lives in Florida and I have a lot of love for the state, however, Floridians are nutty af
Didn't watch the other video but I do live in the US.....I honestly just chuckled while making my coffee😅
I feel so sorry for Austin. My sister became a schizophrenic and it was so sad to watch her mental health deteriorate. I would imagine it was sad for Austin’s family as well. It’s heartbreaking. Lots of prayers for John and Michelle and Jeff’s families as well! How tragic!
Except they didn't get him help
@@The_CholoThey tried, though. Unless you’ve personally tried to navigate the mental health system, you wouldn’t know that it’s nearly impossible to get someone help in a timely manner. The mental health system is incredibly broken.
This is definitely tragic all around, I feel deep sympathy for the victims and their families but I also feel a deep sadness for Austin too, so many people failed him. His parents failed him majorly. He must have been so scared and confused. We need to stop being embarrassed about mental health issues, we need to end the stigma. There is nothing to be ashamed of. This could have been avoided with the right care and attention.
Hi if you see this I have a recommendation could you do a video on Kacie Woody? I think that case could spread awareness about the predators online. It should help bring some bit of awareness to younger people like me and even adults should be safe too! & Good video 🖤