How Close to Failure Should You Train For Muscle Growth?

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  • @vikingthedude
    @vikingthedude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I love how you immediately get to the point as soon as the video begins

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yes, I have been trying to get to the useful information as soon as possible 👍

  • @martijn2246
    @martijn2246 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I cannot stay away from failure, I always feel like I have to push it

    • @Chilli_Tea
      @Chilli_Tea 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      is there any point in counting reps if you take your sets to failure? srs question

    • @Genga816
      @Genga816 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yea because you can still use it as progressive overload, or rather to see if you're getting stronger @@Chilli_Tea

    • @kaiserfakinaway5909
      @kaiserfakinaway5909 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      based answer and I completely feel you my dude, failure feels so good

  • @lou6871
    @lou6871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    How do you not have more subs? This is one of the best, straight to the point, well articulated, and insightful channels on the various subjects in regards to lifting …. Wow man

  • @supermuscle883
    @supermuscle883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I want to really thank you for all your work done in this channel. You deserve a loooot more subscribers. Thank you again.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No problem, glad you enjoy the content 👍

    • @KenanTurkiye
      @KenanTurkiye 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think he's going to get it, I can hear the roar of the crowd from a distance, just some time. :)

  • @LB_RS6
    @LB_RS6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, this channel is pure quality!

  • @zapador
    @zapador ปีที่แล้ว

    Easily among the very best "education channels" on TH-cam, regardless of topic. Well done! And thank you!

  • @franciscobello8348
    @franciscobello8348 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    considero que es mera casualidad esto JAJAJAJAJA, amigo estaba pensando esta mañana en cuál es la mínima intensidad de esfuerzo que se debe aplicar para la ganancia de masa muscular y justo subes este vídeo, un grande. Muchas gracias xD

  • @StuffOffYouStuff
    @StuffOffYouStuff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you learn to present? The speaking, the info-graphics and the information are all absolutely crystal clear!

  • @G.Bfit.93
    @G.Bfit.93 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For me it depends on the exercise and the situation.
    If I'm doing an exercise like barbell incline bench and I do not have a spotter I will leave maybe one rep in the tank but usually push until I get my last clean rep so 1RIR or 0RIR. But if it's an exercise like incline dumbbell presses or incline machine presses then I'll push to failure. I'll even push the incline barbell presses to failure if I have a good spotter. Also if I'm doing incline barbell presses without a spotter I'll usually super set it with an exercise that I can push to failure like incline flyes. Makes the workouts more fun and makes progress more consistent and trackable.
    Effort is the cornerstone of effective training. Once your effort is dialed in then you can modify your frequency and volume accordingly.

  • @dominicdelima2180
    @dominicdelima2180 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i clicked the video thinking it has 10 million views, just now realized it's only 10k man, really good video, you're definetly gonna grow up if you keep going

  • @bobnoxious719
    @bobnoxious719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Like a few others here, I'm old, 57, and don't recover like I once did. Along with my job and household work ( inside and out ), it all plays on one's recovery. I've been adjusting my workout schedule so as not to beat myself up. I believe that I've hit systemic fatigue a few times as I could barely get off the couch and felt almost sick. That being said, your thoughts if you would please. I'm working out 3 days in a row ( 1. back, shoulders, tris; 2. legs, forearms; 3. chest, shoulders, tris. ) Then taking 2 days off and repeating. Every muscle group gets hit at least twice with 5 days between them and each exercise done gets last set, 1 working set, to failure. Your thoughts on such a schedule? I know it's whatever works and at least I'm exercising but curious what you might say. Haven't seen you in a while, nice to see you back.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think this schedule sounds solid. I generally recommend hitting each muscle at least 2x / week with whatever split suits your lifestyle. Obviously, I don't have enough context to make any further recommendations 👍

    • @billybriscoejr.4322
      @billybriscoejr.4322 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hear you, I'm 57 and I've been working on my Total Gym Machine here at home for 10 Months now.

    • @mihailmilev9909
      @mihailmilev9909 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 hey glad to see u back too man

    • @stevewise1656
      @stevewise1656 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm the same age and been training for 45 years and did compete and trained more people than I could possibly count decades ago.
      Like you, I have a life that includes a wife, children, a business and everything else that we adults must manage. So, your schedule sounds perfectly fine for someone 57 or younger. I don't know anyone who trains muscle groups more than twice within five days. Even guys on shitloads of juice train far too often with high volume sets over six days. Lastly, the most important thing at this age is training intelligently so not to injure ourselves and do longer term bone and connective tissue damage. Joint preservation comes first. If you're feeling great about your next session, then you're fine. If you're suffering systemic/CNS fatigue, take a week or two off and reassess your training. More sets aren't necessarily better. I'm not the channel moderator, though hopefully this helps.

  • @Lt-no4sy
    @Lt-no4sy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Flow, thanks for your awesome videos. I love how you keep things relevant while tying into the actual research. Outstanding work.
    I would be interested in a video about multidisciplinary training. I've done some reading through different armed forces, and there appears to be okay documentation, but I've never seen a funded institutional analysis on the subject. What does optimally training for multidisciplinary fitness really look like? What is the best training methodology? How do you sustain maximal strength, endurance, speed, and recovery across a longer period of activity? Such as on the scale of a week, where you may maximally push one muscle group, perform multiple speed based tasks, and do a half marathon carrying weight?

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi!
      This is a very difficult question to answer, because it depends on your specific goal, and will look different for everyone. I am currently working on a video on how to combine multiple different training goals which should be useful 👍

  • @georgesarreas5509
    @georgesarreas5509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The mental fatigue is really something you get used to. Sort of like the runners' wall. I find Myo reps or rest pause (where every mini set is to failure much harder than failure with straight sets. Machines and dumbbells are also better candidates for failure training. I even train deadlifts to failure. Pretty much everything except BB squat and BB bench (and it's incline BB variations) but I have failed squats so many times I would do it more frequently if I had a proper rack and not a squat stand.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting, I haven't tried training to true failure frequently enough to get used to it. But yes, I agree that it is more feasible to train to failure using dumbbells and machines compared with barbell lifts 💪

  • @goombah7861
    @goombah7861 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    AKA... THE "SUBCONSCIOUS" TRAINING PRINCIPLES BEHIND A "BRO-SPLIT".
    5 & 2... 💯 to failure...

  • @wayneroberts884
    @wayneroberts884 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the need to consider age and training to failure. As a 60 yr old, I am very careful not injure myself as recovery time will eliminate any potential gains of training to failure, my 2 cents.

  • @ChrisPEDog
    @ChrisPEDog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video :) I really appreciate your content.
    Over the last year I trained like an idiot chasing progression with more and more weight. I had a rir of 0 within every set and every exercise.
    Now my body is burned down and I needed to take break from training to let go the muscle soreness that kept up to 10 days in the chest for example.
    I now try to stick to 2 rir at least with every exercise to prevent the excessive fatigue again.
    Here is my question: how can I still maintain progressive overload when I try to stop 2 reps before failure?
    Greetings from Germany :)

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      this video should help with your question on progressive overload th-cam.com/video/DJ_Ttwl6z5g/w-d-xo.html

    • @EinSofQuester
      @EinSofQuester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The idea of keeping reps in reserve is such a blasphemous and utterly vile idea to me that I shudder at the thought.

  • @AnjeMae
    @AnjeMae ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great content! I have been binge watching all your videos and taking notes as I go. The vids are really helpful for beginners like me. I have learnt a lot so just wanna say thanks

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to hear you find the videos helpful! All the best 👍

  • @gurbydhar
    @gurbydhar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To summarise:(my thoughts only not of video): don't train to failure
    -More reps in tank you can do higher volumes which is more likely to give you better hypertrophy.
    - less stress systemic and on the joint.
    - better for beginners n intermediate as elite group are just 0.5 percent they can go train to failure.
    - equal returns from training not to failure than to train till failure which slightly favours training till failure but at what cost?
    - long term health benefits of not training to failure greatly outweighs training to failure.
    - still one should still go close to failure but not always go reach failure and still make lots of gains

  • @bacawaka2813
    @bacawaka2813 ปีที่แล้ว

    The one thing to note that the isolation after the big compounds are supposed to the icing on the cake so going into them fatigued is fine because you conducted the of the muscle building work ahead of time.
    Some RIR or RPE programs tends to underestimate what you can do for a given workout. I have done programs to do X rep, Y sets, for percentage of ORM, for RPE of Z and I have been able to do more than double those rep if I pushed it a little.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. I think the most important thing is to take each set close to failure. The load and reps used are less important 👍

  • @dysxleic4273
    @dysxleic4273 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are THE best channel for lifting information

  • @kobemop
    @kobemop ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kind of weird, but when I train to failure (I get stronger from it I don't know why).

  • @raphaelwinkler2828
    @raphaelwinkler2828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this video is insanely good value

  • @mtrout3394
    @mtrout3394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apologies...me again. Two thoughts.
    First is 'rate codeing'. To keep consistent velocity means keeping well short of failure. Developing neural efficiency at cost of hypertrophy?
    Second thought is 'risk Vs reward' of pushing to failure. Reward is maximal fibre recruitment and risk is global systemic fatigue and hugely increased risk of injury. Sometimes "smarter" is more effective than "harder". Training uninterrupted at 80% efficacy for 12 months will be better than training at 100% for 2 months and then out for long term injury.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1. Yes, for strength training it may be beneficial to stay slightly shy of failure
      2. Yes, there is a risk vs reward here. You may provide a better short-term stimulus by training to failure, but the long-term stimulus may be better from staying slightly further from failure 👍

  • @jgoldian47
    @jgoldian47 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I firmly believe if training to failure with high intensity for hypertrophy you HAVE to rest at least 3-5 mins

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe this results in better growth, but you don't HAVE to rest 3-5 minutes 🤔

  • @Spork888
    @Spork888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi. I am starting my fitness journey from sedentary lifestyle + overweight. Your videos seem very concise and focused on science.
    My question is, do you keep the playlists on your channel updated? I wanted to use them to take notes.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, playlists are continually updated with new videos 👍

  • @gurbydhar
    @gurbydhar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Masterclass of failure 👍

  • @reconteam91
    @reconteam91 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content as always! One question though, is changing the tempo of the lift considered a 0 RIR move? Meaning you still have strict form but instead of constant movement in previous reps you have to pause 2-3 seconds in order to get the weight up. And this isn't for the last set, more like second to the last.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      good question. Yes, I would consider this reaching failure. This also starts to fall into the category of metabolite training 👍

    • @reconteam91
      @reconteam91 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 I appreciate your opinion, cheers!

  • @aodoemela
    @aodoemela 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure this criteria is iron clad. Let's say you went for a 1rm, and fail it. You haven't necessarily gone to muscular failure you just failed the rep. I feel like there are different types of failure, so neural and muscular, so if it's neural you are mentally fatigued and can no longer exert maximal effort or if it's muscular you are mentally fresh but perhaps your muscles physically don't have the ATP or something else that makes you physically unable to do the rep. Guess there could be technical failures especially on this like cleans and snatches where you fail a rep because of form but can still do more.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, these are all good points. However, this definition was specifically relating to the context of hypertrophy-style training - not strength or performance training 👍

  • @MEr-oq9wb
    @MEr-oq9wb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey, first of all you make amazing content! I’m not sure if I am the only woman in the comments and if this was asked already but I’ve been training with what most men would consider low weights. My reps are usually around 10-12 and I keep pushing during each set to perform the same number of reps, although during the last set I usually train until I cannot perform another rep which happens around 8 reps. My question is, because men and women are biologically different, would I benefit more from 0 RIR or should I be focusing on 2 RIR? (since I lift much lower than men) Thanks in advance if you get to read and answer my question :)

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi! I don't see a reason why women would respond differently with regards to how close they train to failure. So I would recommend taking each set close to failure, but the exact RIR should be adjusted based on the exercise you are performing 👍

    • @MEr-oq9wb
      @MEr-oq9wb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 okayy, thank you so much!

  • @edies7607
    @edies7607 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you..great information

  • @dmitripisartchik1296
    @dmitripisartchik1296 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Consistency should be your limiting factor - never train so hard that it will prevent you from coming back and doing it again and again and again.

  • @neiljohnson7914
    @neiljohnson7914 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I completely disagree with point number 3, the strict technique restriction. I do agree that you must perform reps with strict technique until you cannot physically perform another full rep. But once you reach that point then you should go beyond strict technique failure by doing some cheat reps, or drop sets or forced reps with the help of a training partner.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      good point here. Yes, I say that this stumbles into the category of metabolite training techniques, rather than traditions straight sets 👍

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Drop sets are still strict technique

    • @EinSofQuester
      @EinSofQuester 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@soonahero True. But cheat reps are not. For example, when I do bicep curls, after I reach absolute physical failure, I heave the dumbbells up to my shoulders using momentum and then do a few slow negative curls.

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EinSofQuester just use drop sets instead of cheating

    • @EinSofQuester
      @EinSofQuester 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@soonahero sometimes it takes too long to shift to a lighter dumbbell. Cheating is more fluid.

  • @salahelmackawi7971
    @salahelmackawi7971 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Peter,
    On push day I start my workout with Barbell bench press in 6-10 rep range and i am doing this exercise since long time and I am an intermediate lifter.
    In this case is better to do it within 3-4 Rir or 2-3 rir
    What do you suggest?

  • @nighthawk244
    @nighthawk244 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Random question, but why did you decide to focus on muscle hypertrophy instead of strength? with how informative and beneficial your videos are, I would think your content would focus on the more practical side of lifting with strength, instead of hypertrophy which to me seems more about appearance and isn't as useful.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hypertrophy training is more of a personal interest than strength training. Also, I think hypertrophy training is more relevant to the majority of the population compared with strength training. I'd say improving body composition is more important for health too 👍

  • @danielstoica3489
    @danielstoica3489 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful!!!

  • @pandemos4205
    @pandemos4205 ปีที่แล้ว

    This should be taught in gym classes across the nation

  • @centagus8797
    @centagus8797 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this useful information, I was just wondering how can I get abs in 30 minutes as fast as possible?

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem. do you mean within 30 minutes of training per session?

  • @bigg1103
    @bigg1103 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is amazing info can you tell me where I can get more studies like this in text ?

  • @ahmetsahin4376
    @ahmetsahin4376 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing ive never understood. Should i go to failure on every set of forexample DB benchpress? Because when i do so i see little to no progress what so ever. Please help

  • @Highcaloriegrappling
    @Highcaloriegrappling 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's way too much emphasis placed on training to failure. In every other athletic endeavor training to failure is minimized and use sparingly. For some reason weight lifting has it ass backwards. The greatest bodybuilding heros and powerlifting gods, rarely if ever trained to failure. But some IG influencer thinks it's a good idea so everyone goes that way.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, I don't think it is mandatory to train to failure

    • @nboss968
      @nboss968 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hypertrophy training is for structural changes. Strength training is for performance.

  • @markovasil1608
    @markovasil1608 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Train to failure if you want to be big!!!

  • @MrBonga2010
    @MrBonga2010 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant

  • @sergejstojanovic2518
    @sergejstojanovic2518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:20 how long does this guy need to train to get bigger legs?

  • @MRS320able
    @MRS320able 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yep failure is the target went on a 2 months trip near a park did calastanic 3 days a week n didn't lose my gains from lifting fr 3 year's fr legs did single leg rdls n Bulgarian split squats fr back chin n pull ups n body weight rows fr chest dips n push ups with ur feet up did lose a bit in legs but didn't notice any in upper body back at the gym I've only lost 30% of strength

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice, great to hear that you were able to maintain most of your gains with minimal training 👍

    • @Waseemmmm
      @Waseemmmm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fr

  • @oedfergrefg9702
    @oedfergrefg9702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    should we need periodiaze reps in reserve in meso?

    • @ST3FF3
      @ST3FF3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Probably not. We should avoid any unnecessary complexity in programming to focus on the things that really matter.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can, but it is not essential 👍

  • @thatoneuser8600
    @thatoneuser8600 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been taking every single set to failure even though I'm a novice 🤦‍♂Sucks to know I could've been making far better gains, but better late than never :)

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dont think you will make better gains by training further from failure. It may just make your sessions less fatiguing 👍

    • @figmentcocktail3607
      @figmentcocktail3607 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lmao same, been hitting 0-1 RIR on most exercises with a high volume program, which explains the mental fog and recovery problems with legs 💀 videos like this are an informational goldmine

  • @mtrout3394
    @mtrout3394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you push to failure on a large (or total) portion of the session, what's the effect on CNS?

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Good question. This is a tricky one to answer because 'CNS fatigue' is a very misunderstood topic. Training to failure is inherently more fatiguing via multiple mechanisms, but we can't say for certain that it induced greater CNS fatigue. I plan on making a video on this topic at some point 👍

    • @mtrout3394
      @mtrout3394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 thanks for the reply. It's something that there seems to be not much information about. Having suffered what I think was CNS crash previously I'm keen to learn more so a video from you would be very much appreciated

  • @Schniebel89
    @Schniebel89 ปีที่แล้ว

    I train only to faliure to move a muscle on the next day.

  • @johnmrg243
    @johnmrg243 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I find these researches??

    • @its_james_fitness
      @its_james_fitness 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The researches are in the description

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Links to studies from the video are always in the description 👍

  • @thehitman06
    @thehitman06 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about training for power and speed ? Should failure be avoided sir ?

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      for speed & power, quality is key. training to failure is probably not ideal 👍

    • @thehitman06
      @thehitman06 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 thank you so much, and if you can do more videos about athletic performance like speed, strength and power we will be very happy sir 🙏

  • @umadbro4493
    @umadbro4493 ปีที่แล้ว

    "testosterone is thought to be anabolic" = "the earth is thought to be spherical"

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  ปีที่แล้ว

      🤔

    • @umadbro4493
      @umadbro4493 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 just kidding i just meant that its "proven" more than thought

  • @honorarymancunian7433
    @honorarymancunian7433 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Velocity loss

  • @vasilli3273
    @vasilli3273 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    kafayi yiyorum

  • @neiljohnson7914
    @neiljohnson7914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The idea of keeping reps in reserve (stopping before complete physical failure) is such a blasphemous and utterly vile idea to me that I shudder at the thought.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      wow, you have a very strong reaction to this thought, maybe you should see a medical professional?

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 wow, you have a very strong reaction to this critisicism, maybe you should see a medical professional?

    • @neiljohnson7914
      @neiljohnson7914 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 name one bodybuilder who has ever kept all sets of a workout at below total failure.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm not a bodybuilding fan, but I believe Jay Cutler stated that he never trains to failure..... On the natural side of bodybuilding (more relevant to most of us) most intelligent lifters don't go to complete failure very often

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@neiljohnson7914 actual failure is rhabdo