Welcome! Bounce any and all questions you have as your bring yours back to life and I’ll try and help as much as possible. You’ll love that bike once it’s done…especially if you ride tight singletrack.
@@Garage2Trail I’m very excited. My cr125 is fun but with the rock hard suspension and 0 bottom end it’s kinda hard to ride as a novice level rider on trails. And I can’t wait to get it rideable. It runs, but smokes like hell and has a ticking sound in the top end, along with almost no compression… I’m not really sure where to start. I know my way around an engine, I’ve rebuilt xr80s before, but I’m no master mechanic. I think it could be the decompression mechanism making all the racket, but honestly I have no idea. If I have any questions I’ll be sure ask you. I appreciate the offer for help!
In the process of fixing up my old mans 1996 xr200, he had bought brand new. Been sitting for the last 13 years, cleaned out the carby and she started first kick. Cant kill em
Reliable Hondas. Nice machine. I have an old 1980 Honda XR80, I have done a full mint resto, more for garage art than anything else. Before I restored it it started first kick and was still rideable. You already have that bike running better, nice.
Yup you can’t beat them…especially from the 70s-90s. Just gotta figure out this idle issue. Thinking I have an air leak somewhere. Hanging idle or no idle. Can’t find the sweet spot.
@@Garage2Trail I'm sure you will sort it. It sounds like a jetting issue. It may not be seating correctly. A new carby would be a last resort. I have a Husqvarna TE310 fuel injected. My little XR80 has had a new carby at some point before I restored it.
XRs are my favorite machines. It's great you were able to get your hands on the 200. It's always cool to go back ride bikes from one's past. Looking for to the rest of the build.
If you need a new air box boot, there is a seller on ebay that 3d prints them for $40. I bought one and so far it is holding up great and it fit just like the original. It is stiffer, but is nice. Also, crf230 timing plugs fit the xr200. I bought a Tusk set that uses hex keys. Much better than the slots. Make sure your needle isn't bent. That can prevent it from seating all the way.
That’s good to know, thank you! I did try another needle without any luck. I’m thinking on yanking the carb off my ‘83 and trying that if the timing advance check out ok. Checking that next.
The idle circuit is lean. I was chasing the same problem on my xr200r and it sounded exactly the same. I was chasing my tail on that one because a leaky valve stem seal caused the sparkplug to look too rich.
Awesome machine im looking for one myself! Im fixing up a 1998 xr70 all white w a red seat hopefully my son can enjoy it and ofc ill be testing too 😂👌💯
Thanks for the tips! Over the last two days I’ve tried two other carbs, the one off my 83 and a brand new Chinese copy, does the same thing. Cable has a lot of free play too. Beating my head agains the wall with this one 😆
@@Garage2Trail 🤕😁 Are you sure the throttle cable doesn't stick? Further try a deodorant spray around the intake to test for an air leak (lean), fuel screw at 1.5 to 2 turns out also?
see how the revs are hanging high instead of returning to a steady idle, thats a sign your mixture screw is too lean. turn that screw out 1/8 turn at a time until it settles without overshooting below the set idle speed and coming back up (thats too rich on the screw). another common issue on these is the mechanical advance on the end of the cam gets stiff and doesnt return freely. spray some stuff on it and make sure it can return all the way by itself. ive been around this engine platform for years. good luck with it
That’s one thing I haven’t checked yet is the timing advance. Thank you for the pointer. I did mess with the mixture screw though. I turned it out a half turn at a time. Didn’t seem to help.
@@Garage2Trail it for sure seems lean to me. Maybe take that intake manifold off completely and check it for cracks and make sure the seals are in good condition as well
@JyveKilla yeah I thought so too…sprayed it down with brake cleaner to see if the revs would climb. They didn’t move. I’m gonna look at that timing advance tomorrow like you mentioned. I’d that’s ok it’s gotta be carb related.
Idle circuit is running very lean, that is why it doesn't fall back to idle. Opening the fuel mix screw might help a bit, but it sounds leaner than that, so maybe a bigger idle jet. Also check for cracks on the plastic inlet pipe into the head.
Thanks! I’ve tried fatter pilot jets (all the way up to 55!) doesn’t help. I’ve sprayed carb cleaner all around the intake looking for air leaks…nothing. Made sure the valves were in spec and they are. Checked the timing advance mechanism…good there too. I tried a Chinese carb…ran worse lol. This one is driving me nuts lol. I may take the carb off my 83 to try.
@@Garage2Trail I presume you have ensured the idle circuit is really clear all the way through - the inlet was completely gunked up before. It doesn't sound so starved when you rev it up, but look at rocker cover & head seal anyway (presume you have as well. Good luck.
@robertslinger3811 I have. I even put a different carb on it from another 200. Sprayed the hell out of the head and intake area with brake clean to see if the revs climb which they didn’t. Everything it’s doing is saying air leak to me.
@@Garage2Trail Yup. I can't imagine why, but might the broken decompression mechanism be involved? From the outside, it looks closed, but have you twisted it with the exhaust valve cover off to check its doing its thing?
I was convinced that was the problem but I’ve tried multiple pilot jets and confirmed the passage is open on the carb. Going to check timing advance next…someone mentioned it could be sticking when revving it up. May even yank the carb off my 83 XR200 to try.
Have you got a manual? I would be setting it all to stock and going from there ...... definately hanging, so weak pilot circuit or air getting in somewhere. ...... you'll sort it!
Yessir, started out at all stock settings and since this video have tried messing with different pilot jet sizes, adjusting float, needle clip and confirmed no air leaks by spraying brake clean all around the intake area. Might check the timing advance mechanism as another person suggested next. Could be sticking
@@Garage2Trail and it is still the same? It just sounds so hangy, like its weak on pilot ....... almost like how a 2t can get. Can you try another carb?just to rule out very rare chance of slightly porous castings. ......
did you put the baffle back in the carb i think I saw it on the work bench and the throttle cable looked like was wrapped around the front of the tank and not under it
@@Garage2Trail whatch it be something simple and just overlooked. That has happened to me before. And also after watching your video I now believe I found out what carb is on my 79 or 80 xr 80 my brother gave me.
i love your videos.. but the greatest XR made was easily the 1985 XR350R. 353cc (vs 339cc in 1984) 41mm forks long travel single carb dry sump aluminum swingarm front disc 400 power, 200 weight OH! and a 6spd transmission 1yr only bike.
@@Garage2Trail they're extremely hard to find now, esp running well and COMPLETE. by now 99% of them need a top end and are missing so many nuts, bolts, washers, etc.. but ppl have raced them to 400s and they're pretty even. nothing captures honda heritage like a flash red with yellow number plates!
Watch your throttle cable, it looks like it might be routed improperly. It looks like it’s being pulled tight which could cause the throttle to hang up
Thanks for the input! I did double check that and it’s got plenty of play in it. I had a throttle cable on a suzuki TS185 which was causing a high idle condition. Learned my lesson there!
dont rule out a worn out carb. I have seen people spend hours trying to tune carbs only to find out the carb slide and body are just worn too much. Also if you ever have a float needle pin that refuses to come out , a spring loaded center punch gets them out every time.
Yessir, it’s got a 38 slow jet which is stock. Going to try one fatter I think. I confirmed there is no air leaks around the intake so I hope that does it.
Yup, I’m thinking a possible air leak on the intake. Going to spray some brake clean around the intake to see if the revs climb to rule that out. I may change the pilot jet to a fatter one too
I have 1982 a xr200r I was checking to see if my timing was good and I lost the pin that holds my advanced timing mechanism it keeps it in place does anyone know what it's called so i can order it.please get back. thanks
Thank you for the pointer! I think that’s what I’m going to to do next. I took the 175 into the woods yesterday to film but ran into an electrical gremlin. Thinking the condenser is failing…I’ll probably have that video out next week. After it’s sorted, I’ll do a side by side comparison for sure!
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How many of us would love our first bike back? Loads of us.
This is a nice bike. Worth restoration.
Glad I found this channel. Just got an 86 xr200 and it needs a lot of work. Excited to learn more about this platform!
Welcome! Bounce any and all questions you have as your bring yours back to life and I’ll try and help as much as possible. You’ll love that bike once it’s done…especially if you ride tight singletrack.
@@Garage2Trail I’m very excited. My cr125 is fun but with the rock hard suspension and 0 bottom end it’s kinda hard to ride as a novice level rider on trails. And I can’t wait to get it rideable. It runs, but smokes like hell and has a ticking sound in the top end, along with almost no compression… I’m not really sure where to start. I know my way around an engine, I’ve rebuilt xr80s before, but I’m no master mechanic. I think it could be the decompression mechanism making all the racket, but honestly I have no idea. If I have any questions I’ll be sure ask you. I appreciate the offer for help!
In the process of fixing up my old mans 1996 xr200, he had bought brand new.
Been sitting for the last 13 years, cleaned out the carby and she started first kick.
Cant kill em
That’s awesome! You really can’t kill them…unless you take them apart and lose all the parts like those kids did with my original 200 lol
Reliable Hondas. Nice machine. I have an old 1980 Honda XR80, I have done a full mint resto, more for garage art than anything else. Before I restored it it started first kick and was still rideable. You already have that bike running better, nice.
Yup you can’t beat them…especially from the 70s-90s. Just gotta figure out this idle issue. Thinking I have an air leak somewhere. Hanging idle or no idle. Can’t find the sweet spot.
@@Garage2Trail I'm sure you will sort it. It sounds like a jetting issue. It may not be seating correctly. A new carby would be a last resort. I have a Husqvarna TE310 fuel injected. My little XR80 has had a new carby at some point before I restored it.
Xr200 most fun you can have, not many bikes are slower than I’am but an xr200 pinned across the desert is a riot.
I'm glad you got your old bike back. Good story. I can't believe that thing popped off with the carb being so dirty. Good day in the shop.
Thanks Chuck! Yup shows you how resilient they are.
XRs are my favorite machines. It's great you were able to get your hands on the 200. It's always cool to go back ride bikes from one's past. Looking for to the rest of the build.
They are my favorite as well. I knew I had to get my original one back too regardless of the condition. That one will live again someday too!
If you need a new air box boot, there is a seller on ebay that 3d prints them for $40. I bought one and so far it is holding up great and it fit just like the original. It is stiffer, but is nice. Also, crf230 timing plugs fit the xr200. I bought a Tusk set that uses hex keys. Much better than the slots. Make sure your needle isn't bent. That can prevent it from seating all the way.
That’s good to know, thank you! I did try another needle without any luck. I’m thinking on yanking the carb off my ‘83 and trying that if the timing advance check out ok. Checking that next.
The idle circuit is lean. I was chasing the same problem on my xr200r and it sounded exactly the same. I was chasing my tail on that one because a leaky valve stem seal caused the sparkplug to look too rich.
Thank you for the tip! I’ll be trying some other jets here soon. Really appreciate it man.
Awesome machine im looking for one myself! Im fixing up a 1998 xr70 all white w a red seat hopefully my son can enjoy it and ofc ill be testing too 😂👌💯
We had one and I would say that was the best and most fun bike we ever owned.
I agree Kevin!
I had one just like that in 86.
awesome bikes . I had an 81 and a 86 .
Sweet bike!
Thank you!
Love the xr stong bikes 😊😊
Yes try another carb, only way to rule it out, also your throttle cable look's very tight! ✌
Thanks for the tips! Over the last two days I’ve tried two other carbs, the one off my 83 and a brand new Chinese copy, does the same thing. Cable has a lot of free play too. Beating my head agains the wall with this one 😆
@@Garage2Trail 🤕😁 Are you sure the throttle cable doesn't stick?
Further try a deodorant spray around the intake to test for an air leak (lean), fuel screw at 1.5 to 2 turns out also?
@@gti20vtMarcel yessir…I ended up figuring it out today. Pulse generator timing was off by a hair. I’ll explain better in the next video on it.
Very cool bike.
see how the revs are hanging high instead of returning to a steady idle, thats a sign your mixture screw is too lean. turn that screw out 1/8 turn at a time until it settles without overshooting below the set idle speed and coming back up (thats too rich on the screw). another common issue on these is the mechanical advance on the end of the cam gets stiff and doesnt return freely. spray some stuff on it and make sure it can return all the way by itself.
ive been around this engine platform for years.
good luck with it
That’s one thing I haven’t checked yet is the timing advance. Thank you for the pointer. I did mess with the mixture screw though. I turned it out a half turn at a time. Didn’t seem to help.
@@Garage2Trail it for sure seems lean to me. Maybe take that intake manifold off completely and check it for cracks and make sure the seals are in good condition as well
@JyveKilla yeah I thought so too…sprayed it down with brake cleaner to see if the revs would climb. They didn’t move. I’m gonna look at that timing advance tomorrow like you mentioned. I’d that’s ok it’s gotta be carb related.
Nice work 🌟 🌟 🌟
Thanks man! Dime Bag for life!
Idle circuit is running very lean, that is why it doesn't fall back to idle. Opening the fuel mix screw might help a bit, but it sounds leaner than that, so maybe a bigger idle jet. Also check for cracks on the plastic inlet pipe into the head.
Thanks! I’ve tried fatter pilot jets (all the way up to 55!) doesn’t help. I’ve sprayed carb cleaner all around the intake looking for air leaks…nothing. Made sure the valves were in spec and they are. Checked the timing advance mechanism…good there too. I tried a Chinese carb…ran worse lol. This one is driving me nuts lol. I may take the carb off my 83 to try.
@@Garage2Trail I presume you have ensured the idle circuit is really clear all the way through - the inlet was completely gunked up before. It doesn't sound so starved when you rev it up, but look at rocker cover & head seal anyway (presume you have as well. Good luck.
@robertslinger3811 I have. I even put a different carb on it from another 200. Sprayed the hell out of the head and intake area with brake clean to see if the revs climb which they didn’t. Everything it’s doing is saying air leak to me.
@@Garage2Trail Yup. I can't imagine why, but might the broken decompression mechanism be involved? From the outside, it looks closed, but have you twisted it with the exhaust valve cover off to check its doing its thing?
@@robertslinger3811 that’s a good point, I will have a look today. It does look a bit tweaked from the outside. Thanks for the idea!
Idle jet! The jet hole is tiny, could still be partially blocked.
I was convinced that was the problem but I’ve tried multiple pilot jets and confirmed the passage is open on the carb. Going to check timing advance next…someone mentioned it could be sticking when revving it up. May even yank the carb off my 83 XR200 to try.
Blown up a phrase seldomly associated with Honda 😊
Lol I agree!
Have you got a manual? I would be setting it all to stock and going from there ...... definately hanging, so weak pilot circuit or air getting in somewhere. ...... you'll sort it!
Yessir, started out at all stock settings and since this video have tried messing with different pilot jet sizes, adjusting float, needle clip and confirmed no air leaks by spraying brake clean all around the intake area. Might check the timing advance mechanism as another person suggested next. Could be sticking
@@Garage2Trail and it is still the same? It just sounds so hangy, like its weak on pilot ....... almost like how a 2t can get. Can you try another carb?just to rule out very rare chance of slightly porous castings. ......
did you put the baffle back in the carb i think I saw it on the work bench and the throttle cable looked like was wrapped around the front of the tank and not under it
Yessir, that may have been an extra one I had on the bench. Triple checked my throttle cable play too. A real head scratcher here!
@@Garage2Trail whatch it be something simple and just overlooked. That has happened to me before. And also after watching your video I now believe I found out what carb is on my 79 or 80 xr 80 my brother gave me.
i love your videos.. but the greatest XR made was easily the 1985 XR350R.
353cc (vs 339cc in 1984)
41mm forks
long travel
single carb
dry sump
aluminum swingarm
front disc
400 power, 200 weight
OH! and a 6spd transmission
1yr only bike.
Thank you! I’d love to find one sometime and compare it to the 400.
@@Garage2Trail they're extremely hard to find now, esp running well and COMPLETE. by now 99% of them need a top end and are missing so many nuts, bolts, washers, etc.. but ppl have raced them to 400s and they're pretty even. nothing captures honda heritage like a flash red with yellow number plates!
Watch your throttle cable, it looks like it might be routed improperly. It looks like it’s being pulled tight which could cause the throttle to hang up
Thanks for the input! I did double check that and it’s got plenty of play in it. I had a throttle cable on a suzuki TS185 which was causing a high idle condition. Learned my lesson there!
dont rule out a worn out carb. I have seen people spend hours trying to tune carbs only to find out the carb slide and body are just worn too much. Also if you ever have a float needle pin that refuses to come out , a spring loaded center punch gets them out every time.
Thank you Jeff. I am going to try another carb that I had extra from another xr200 project to see if I have any luck.
Did you check jet size?
Yessir, it’s got a 38 slow jet which is stock. Going to try one fatter I think. I confirmed there is no air leaks around the intake so I hope that does it.
Peace Sells..................
But who’s buying?
When it revs up on idle it runs too lean.
Yup, I’m thinking a possible air leak on the intake. Going to spray some brake clean around the intake to see if the revs climb to rule that out. I may change the pilot jet to a fatter one too
@@Garage2Trail try to raise the needle again. It seemed to idle better before you lowered it.
I have 1982 a xr200r I was checking to see if my timing was good and I lost the pin that holds my advanced timing mechanism it keeps it in place does anyone know what it's called so i can order it.please get back. thanks
I tried looking the part up on CMSNL.com but couldn’t find it. I’m wondering if it’s just included with the cam
Howdy, great find on the XR 200! You might try different size pilot jet. Also looking forward to the shoot out between Yamaha 175 and the Suzuki 185.
Thank you for the pointer! I think that’s what I’m going to to do next. I took the 175 into the woods yesterday to film but ran into an electrical gremlin. Thinking the condenser is failing…I’ll probably have that video out next week. After it’s sorted, I’ll do a side by side comparison for sure!
Stupid Hondas - they just don't know they aren't supposed to run in this condition...
😆 this one is frustrating me to no end!