“It was extremely important to me that we not do the lazy thing of having a superpowered lady who can’t handle her powers and goes crazy,” - Jac Schaeffer. Pretty damn scathing comment on Bendis, there.
I'd never thought about House of M kickstarting Marvel's age of big crossover events. Never really occurred to me just how indelible an effect that book had on the future of the Marvel universe all the way through to today. Excellent video as usual, Owen!
Because it didn’t. Crossover over events happened long before House of M a few in the late 70s and almost annually following the original Secret Wars event
@@210SAi name them then. After House of M, Civil War, Annihilation, World War Hulk, Secret Invasion, War of Kings, Dark Reign, Seige, Fear Itself, AvX, Original Sin, Axis, Secret Wars, Civil war 2, Secret Empire. That was an event or 2 every year from 2005-2017. Name Crossover events on that level before House of M, with that consistency... oh wait, that's right, you can't! Like I said... you sound bitter.
Surprised you didn't mention the retcon of Wanda and Quicksliver NOT being mutants that happened years later and how it seems Marvel may in fact be reversing course on that in reestablishing them as Mutants in a Pax Krakoa Marvel Universe. Especially since Wanda was declared a traitor and pretender to the Mutant Race.
I don’t think the issue will be resolved. They will still fear and see her as a threat. She is trying to redeem herself but no matter how much she tries she keeps making things worse. Sure Beast invited her to krakoa but I don’t think she is a welcomed figure there.
Wanda is the Jean Grey of the Avengers! Whereas Fox screwed up the Dark Phoenix storyline, the MCU is meticulously moulding the Scarlet Witch travails in WandaVision and onward.
Wandavision sucks compared to house of m ....mcu has never followed any source material to any fundanental degree ...winter soldier,civil war,infinity war they fundamentally change those stories thematically and aesthecatically ....mcu doesnt give two shits about source material
@@alexsao1105 one of the dopest most epic books of all time. Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers. Go to your nearest comic retailer and check it out. Please. You won't be disappointed.
@@alexsao1105 it’s basically the prelude to secret wars (2015). it involves the incursions and has pretty badass character moments. really love that story.
Kurt Busiek came up with by far the best definition of her power, as Chaos Magic (ancient magic connected to emotions) gifted to her at birth by the Elder God Chthon. Chaos Magic works as a concept, and it gives Wanda her own narrative arc. "Reality warping because accident of birth/genes " is stupid and adds nothing to Wanda as a character, it leaves her as a static character with no potential for growth. Steve Englehart and Kurt Busiek pushed her towards being an actual Witch, and this led to immense character growth for her. Byrne and Bendis turned her into an OP plot device with no skill or nuance, and that led to her being pretty much ruined forever in comics.
Avengers disassembled is the comic series that made marvel fans aware that Bendis should not trusted with the main continuity, because he'll disregard it and do whatever he pleases leaving it to the next writer to fix. dc fans found out the hard way what Marvel fans went through during the early to mid 2000s with his Superman run. Bendis does his best work when he's not confined to previously established continuity there's a reason his Ultimate Spider-Man run is so good because he didn't have to worry about that pre-established lore of Earth 616. I will admit Bendis Batman Universe miniseries is really good because it wasn't constrained by continuity.
"There's no such thing as chaos magic", says an astonishingly stupid Doctor Strange, except of course that Chthon (who would later call Strange out on his BS) and Shuma Gorath are literally made of the stuff, and that Chthon gave Wanda a fraction of his soul so she could use it. Of course, Chthon, Wanda's arch enemy, never shows up in House of M, because by pure lucky coincidence he apparently went on vacation with his brother Set. Also, Wanda conveniently didn't bring back any of the characters Bendis was not interested in, like Vision, Agatha Harkness, Scott Lang, Wanda's mother does not even get a mention, while the father who actually raised her, Django, who gave his life to save her from Chthon, is absent as well. Bendis erases Wanda's history and backstory to turn her into a D-list satellite of Magneto. Bendis focused on his favourites, such as Wolverine, Spiderman, Luke Cage, none of whom have anything to do with Scarlet Witch, who barely even appears in the story, and has no character arc.
It's interesting to that this was the beginning of Marvel's modern age. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Marvel post-2005, but I think it's plain that understanding this story is important for understanding the comics of today. Bendis, for all his faults, knows how to challenge people's perceptions. I don't like where they've gone since, but I do appreciate how stories like this make clear how they intended to move forward. Great video, Owen.
I really loved House of M as a teenager and I think that good part of it is the art of Coipel, he makes everything looks epic, elegant and exciting. He really has a unique take on superhero comics.
It's hard to revisit House of M and not ultimately view it as a petty ploy to devalue the X-Men brand while Fox held the film rights... and Bendis went along with it as he got to bring some of his most wanted toys back...
Disassembled was more about Bendis hating the classic Avengers and wanting to replace them with A-listers and his faves. His character assassination of Wanda was utterly cynical and deliberately designed to make her unusable, leading to her disappearing from comics for 7 years. Quesada wanted to reduce the number of mutants after he felt Grant Morrison had made too many. So they approached that issue in the most petty, spiteful, and short-sighted way imaginable, by using a character they wanted rid of to rid them of characters they did not want. Scorched Earth, basically. It's very, very clear that Marvel Editorial hates Wanda and there is a huge gulf between Marvel Comics (which wants to ignore her and kill her off) and Marvel Studios (which wants to push her as a female hero) on Scarlet Witch.
Bendis is the biggest one-hit wonder in all comics, making a modern classic in Ultimate Spider-Man. Then for every comic he does afterwards he just ignores any previous contiunuity, characterisation or previous events just to make his stories work. His writing is filled with the most obnoxious of dialogue and entire filler pages because he's either too uncreative or too lazy to write something engaging. His writing only works when he gets a story alt-universe story so he can have his own sigular story without ruining what came before like he did with his moronic desicions in his Superman run.
Thank God, that Hickman made mutants their House of X. It's practically a "Mutant Heaven" (won't call it Utopia, because last time it didn't work out for them). I love the fact that even old greatest X-Villains like Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister are welcome their and are practically heroes in new X-series. After all those "Ages of..." and "Houses of ..." mutants are being fine. Especially awesome is the that the mutants who died years ago or lost their powers after House of M are back (Banshee, Wind Dancer, Wither) I just hope they would somehow bring back Jimmy Hudson (Wolverine's son from Ultimate Universe), because he's awesome and Marvel practically abandoned him after he was infected with Poison in X-Men Blue.
EWW CinemaSins DSMOM CinemaSins-previously on Wanda Vision, what’s WandaVision? oh it's just a six-hour TV show that you need to have watched, so you can fully appreciate what's happening in this movie. well, it's about making it completely redundant. Th3Birdman- that was a lot of BS in a lot of words. This is not one of those instances where you can "books don't matter" this away. the MCU is interconnected, and they have established that fact over the past 14 years, at this point an entire child was born and is now entering High School in the span of time from the first Iron Man movie till now. if you are missing MCU shows and films for one reason or another, you cannot blame anyone but yourself for being lost if you then attempt to jump back in at a later point, and WandaVision was not made redundant by this film it set up Infinity gem-less Vision, Agatha Harkness, Spectrum and the Darkhold. Wanda-I made mistakes and people were hurt. CinemaSins- all true but the main thing is that you've learned from those mistakes on a ready to move on. there's no way this movie would undo an entire season of character growth in 90 minutes, right? TH3Birdman- right again, you've missed the point. Wanda is under the influence of the Darkhold. I mean it's in the name the Darkhold. That’s one of the major plot points of this film that whoever uses the Darkhold will be corrupted in some way. The very end of WandaVision shows her using the Darkhold.
Great video! It's so interesting to think that this one event did so much for the Marvel universe and the mutants themselves. On one hand the mutant era it ushered in was such a weird one for story-telling with the loss of the minority metaphor often associated with the mutants. On the other hand, it is because of this weird era it created, that we were given the current Hickman-led era of mutant stories that has been some of the best x-stories in a long time. From the outside looking in, I see why they went this path but still thought some of it could've been avoided. Looking at it in an in-universe lens, they made the story work and were able to adapt following its conclusion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Owen. I always look forward to when you have a new video drop!
Great video. I've been a Scarlet Witch fan since X-Men Evolution when she destroyed everybody. So hearing just how powerful she really is gives me hope we see this in WandaVision.
The era following Decimation up until AvX was one of my favorite for the xmen. They were really able to push that feeling that the time of mutants had passed and that all they could do was just try to strive off extinction that little while longer.
Love the era of X-Men that followed this, Messiah trilogy is fantastic, Hope is one if not the only one to get a rather conclusive arc, though I would like to see more of her as I think there are plenty of stories to tell, but I don't mind the wait... And I never saw Cyclops as taking a "villainous turn" I feel he became more anti-hero, colder and more means to an end, more Punisher than Captain America.
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I think WandaVision will end with Wanda being completely alone, Hayward calling her a mutant; insulting her, saying she’s the only one. And she takes on the title and her last words will be “No, more mutants”. Giving so many mutant abilities, and rebirthing her children.
Spoiler alert; the hex has to be destroyed because it's killing the townspeople. Because wanda’s kids were made there, her kids can't exist unless she thinks about them. As Tommy leaves the hex, Hayward shoots Tommy and he dies like how quicksilver dies. Because wanda is in distress, her kids begin to disappear. Hayward calls her kids disgusting and mutants. Wanda later replies, “then let there be mutants” and then the hex explodes, leaving a wave that covers the planet, caring mutants. Source: leaks.
This is probably such a dead horse to beat but I'd love to see you tackle Tom King's Vision run since it's the other side of the coin of what WandaVision is alongside House of M.
House of M was great, but can we finally acknowledge how inconsistent The Decimation was? First they said that only 198 mutants still had their powers, then they said that was only in America. Iceman lost his powers, until they revealed that he was just faking it. Wanda said no more mutants taking away the powers of mutants throughout the multiverse, and then they pretended that never really happened. Some mutants and people weren't in the House of M reality, even though they clarified that the House of M reality had encompassed everybody on earth. At the end of AvX all mutants got their powers back, wait, no some mutants did not have their powers returned. So confusing!!!!
@@Fernandopriet Actually they did. Most mutants got their powers back at the end of AvX with tons more bing created by the Phoenix. But, some (like Prodigy) remained decimated for no real reason except that maybe the writers sort of forgot.
@@dallasgrey4247 Do you know which issue they revealed that in and some examples of who was affected? The only mutants I remember being depowered and being repowered got their powers back by different means, like Rictor with Wanda and her son as an example. I'd really like to go back and read it because it might be an issue I missed and I loved that era of xmen so if I have something new to read from that era that would be fantastic!
@@dallasgrey4247 my apologies. I was asking if you could give an example of some of the mutants who got their powers back in that way and if possible which issue it was revealed in that those people were repowered that way. I remembered the hope/wanda combo just making new mutants and not restoring old so I would like to go back and read where it was stated diffrently because i may have missed it back in the day. Was reading a lot pf different aeries at the time.
I LOVE this story! One of my all time favorites. I’ve enjoyed it many times over. During my rewatch of your video, at about the 4 minute mark, I wondered if Wolverine is actually the villain of this whole story. From the perspective of those who enjoy their existence on this reality, he offers an alternative that is rife with suffering and ideology. No thanks, Bub…I’d be all-in
Yeah, I read this one. 4:29 this part stayed in my mind, because it’s Logan as director of SHIELD, he has a thing with mystique and Kurt and Rogue are there too. What are their lives? 🤣
House of M is evem still relevant in the Hickman X-Men era. Wanda is basically is a antichrist scapegoat figure on Krakoa, and the decimation event is one of the most significant actions against mutantkind that compelled Xavier and Magneto to participate in Moira's agenda. (Although it kinda doesn't make sense why they'd hate Wanda when she can just remake a House of M reality since that's basically what Krakoa is trying to accomplish now).
House of M definitely feels like a pivot point, both creatively and business wise. I dont think it can be really discussed without talking about the Fox Xmen movies and the change in Marvel's business going forward. Both in trimming a lot of the post 90s Xmen glut but also shrinking their exposure in Marvel when their relationship with Fox got contentious. But either way, its probably the clearest point of delineation between comics and style I remembered as a kid, and those I read in late high-school.
Could you do a video on the 2013 Avengers limited series "Children's Crusade"? I think it has plenty of plot points that the MCU might take from, so I think it would be cool
I still don't get why Polaris was made Magneto's daughter. Just because she has the same powers as him doesn't mean they have to be related. Before that retcon Starr Saxon tried to use a Magneto robot to trick Lorna into working for him but Iceman found out her real parents died in a plane crash.
@05:35 I remember the Hawkeye moment at the end of issue three was specifically the scene that Bendis said would "break the internet in half." That Wednesday I secured my copy and called in to work...like an idiot. Wow, what a letdown that was. The watercooler chat about this series cratered at our local shop. It was overhyped and under-delivering...repeatedly. The only thing worse in comics, I think, than death-stunting is resurrection-stunting. I try time and again to return to the stories and I find I liked so many of the spin-offs better.
If you want to say so, dude but for X-men readers HOM and the Decimation was Quesada and Bendis wrecking a franchise to bring back their childhoods for the 60's and 70''s sent the x-men down nearly a Decade of mostly crap stories. I dropped everything except X-factor and later picked up the trades of New X-men. X-force was decent enough writing wise but wasn't my taste. Messiah Complex and Necrosha being interesting crossover. I peace-ed out of marvel after the Vampire vs X-men story arc. Kept an ear to the ground only came back in early 2020 after watching a few Rob reviews of Dawn of X-/Powers of X .
My wandavision theory is Wanda is going to be Scarlett witch and accidentally create mutants with this “dome” reality show. As they leave they’ve been altered but if the dome comes down then maybe everyone inside becomes a mutant.
Do you think Marvel will ever consider a true reboot of their comics continuity? Not an alternative continuity like Ultimate or Heroes Reborn, but a full reboot starting the main line of comics over like DC's Rebirth (or New 52). I'm not sure I like the idea, but I wonder if it would ever be viable.
You know something funny? Just yesterday, I picked up House of M from my public library in preparation for WandaVision. *COINCIDENCE?!?!?!?* ....probably. xD
Both Marvel and DC have had some truly awesome and epic stories, and this one, and everything that came out of it, was one. Sadly, both companies have decided to commit suicide, and are now producing absolute trash that even insane monkeys don't want to read. The new Golden Age was short-lived.
I doubt it as the MCU is going in a different direction to the comics. As Wanda's only substantive appearance post-HoM was James Robinson's 2015 solo, there is a lack of source material for Marvel Studios to mine, so they are likely opting to go in a brand new direction. Wanda being in Doctor Strange pretty much confirms we are getting a Kurt Busiek flavoured Chaos Magic (the only convincing explanation of her powers there has ever been) wielding Witch. Note that Feige stated Wanda is a Witch. He likes to keep things simple and not confuse audiences. It's notable that Marvel comics, which opposed Wanda being in the MCU and banned her from comics for 7 years, released no tie-ins for WandaVision, in contrast to every other MCU release, and that Wanda has received no push in comics during her presence in the MCU. With the exception of Jim Zub, none of Marvel's writers are interested in her as anything other than a punching bag or plot device.
House of M is what makes Hickman's run so enticing to me, he made mutants powerhouses again, they stopped being everyone's bitches. I hated what Bendis did, he essentially drove me away from the X-Men when he took over and Rosenberg made sure I stayed away, but Hickman has done so much in so little time that I feel grateful for the past now.
Owen, do you remember Emma Frost in the Civil War story, asking Tony " Where were you, when our babies were dying?"? Is that how House of M influenced Civil War?
There's also the theory that the no more mutants aspect was kind of a fuck you to Fox Studios. The X Men movies were doing gangbusters and Marvel didn't want to keep giving them free publicity. So they were trying to reduce the mutants involvement in the Marvel comic universe. And it was around the same time that Marvel got back the rights to some of their characters for movies and wanted to focus the comics on those. Iron Man began scripting in the same year as House of M and also explains why he was such a pivitol part of Civil War.
Ok this is going to take a minute and I think this is a good place to ask this. I grew up in the 80s mostly on DC because of COIE which I loved. I didn't get into Marvel until later in college and dipped out in the mid 90s. I like the MCU and in the last couple years I've been catching up with the comics, and am really disliking Bendis. House of M was so dirty in so many ways.. One of the reasons I like the MCU is that the storylines are from runs I know from back in the day, and they made a lot of bad runs into good or at least decent movies. I'm still 11 years old when I get to see great action scenes with real movie stars instead of Superman III & Howard the Duck, I still can't believe they made Hawkeye, Captain America and Vision look not just good but cool. But now that they're doing Carol Danvers & House of M I don't know what to make of this. These runs, finding out about them now were toxic. There's always going to be writers that don't care to know the continuity of the characters they're writing, it's comics but how do you let someone destroy mutants and the X-Men? And it is an absolute character assassination of Scarlet Witch, if someone hates mutants don't have him write X-Men. And especially don't kill your biggest asset because you don't like the studio that has the film rights, I am just catching up here and it's absolutely astonishing what has happened to the industry. So is it inevitable now that the MCU goes All New All Different? I don't know..
house of m I thought was a okay story but oh boy I really don't like the way we got to house of M with the terrible destruction of the avengers and scarlet witch character with avengers disassemble but that's just my opinion.
Along with the fact that for Dissambled to work, Bendis had to ignore a previous I think late 80s or 90s story where Wanda did recover her memories of her kids, and did not turn against her friends, she and Vision just talked about that and deal with it very maturely.
Avengers is needed of a complete overhaul. Bendis admitted he doesn’t know what to do with Wanda and use her as a plot device for his long term storytelling
I hated House of M when it happened, bc like you said, it kick-started crossover events. I was a big fan of that Avengers run and they just suddenly cut it short with dangling plot lines to lead into the event and then soft rebooting. It's what started my declining interest in superhero comics. As any time I got invested in a single series there was the likely event a new crossover story would happen and at best pause or at worst completely end whatever stories were going on. And this would keep happening over and over with basically annual events that required every series to be involved. Like how Civil War basically ended that Spiderman run by making him reveal his identity to the world. But at least House of M and Civil War were generally interesting events I did enjoy conceptually. They did build Wanda's faltering mental state for awhile in Avengers and Civil War was kind of brewing for like a decade in Marvel in general and felt relevant in a post 9-11 American paranoia. So I kept going. But I really called it quits when one of my favorite runs of the time, the really great and underappreciated meta She Hulk story as a multi dimensional lawyer, got ended by Secret Invasion. I couldn't care less about Secret Invasion, it felt so artificially inserted, that it became extremely apparent to me that investing in any one series and writer would just be ended by an editorially mandated world event.
"Marvel must also be a few decades behind in their own continuity, seeing as the Scarlet Witch has been learning and mastering her powers over the past 40 years. After all, readers actually watched her training, something rarely seen with other heroes. Yet, this woman is still out of control? What’s worse-she now needs to be de-powered, forced into her rightful place by a man, a sorcerer supreme. Loretta Ramirez, 2004
Great video as always Owen. I wonder about the long term ramifications regarding both the comics and the MCU. The issues that Marvel and Fox had over the film rights caused a larger rift than us true fans wanted in the publications. It obviously didn’t work out on either page nor screen. Inhumans was a bust and I believe that Pietro and Wanda have been retconned out of Magneto’s family tree in both print and film. I believe that whatever is about to happen with the cinematic “multiverse” will be the closest we get to source material continuity. In Feige we trust. God Bless Marvel.
What’s really disappointing is that Wanda Vision has very little to do with House of M save Scarlet losing her grasp on reality. Besides being the cause, Wanda had a very small role in that storyline. The context of that story had much more to do with the other heroes having to come to grips with being given everything they’ve ever wanted only to have to sacrifice their greatest wishes for the sake of the world. Saying Wanda was the main character is like saying Legion was the main character of Age of Apocalypse.
Gee, I wonder if this video about House of M being released now has anything to do with an upcoming Marvel TV show about Wanda seemingly getting everything she wanted which half the Internet believes is some kind of adaptation of House of M........
People who attempt to connect House of M to Wandavision have either not read House of M or didn’t understand the story. There’s no similarities between the two beyond SW creating an alternate reality
i thought the comic that inspired WandaVision was The Vision and the Scarlet Witch? A specific comic about how Wanda loses her kids because like the devil or something wants their souls back? But I do see how House Of M also inspired Wandavision AND EVEN Dr Strange MoM
It's almost like, when you get to be lazy and don't have to think of an origin, you tend to create way too many characters who are inevitably insanely OP and have to find a way to wipe out a lot of them in one go just so your universe can breathe. I have NEVER been an X-men fan, and I never will be. I'm glad they aren't part of the MCU and honestly hope they never show up, but I know they will. Something has to eventually de-rail the MCU, might as well let it be mutants, it's all they're good for.
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“It was extremely important to me that we not do the lazy thing of having a superpowered lady who can’t handle her powers and goes crazy,” - Jac Schaeffer.
Pretty damn scathing comment on Bendis, there.
Owen please civil war 2
Thinking of buying the Graphic Novel so thanks for this. I read Age of Apocalypse as a kid which I thought was amazing - can you review that pls ?
Mutant Kid: *has the power heal all injuries and to annihilate all forms of illnesses*
Wanda: I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move.
It's fiiiine, that mutant was spared.
I laughed so hard.
I'd never thought about House of M kickstarting Marvel's age of big crossover events. Never really occurred to me just how indelible an effect that book had on the future of the Marvel universe all the way through to today. Excellent video as usual, Owen!
Because it didn’t. Crossover over events happened long before House of M a few in the late 70s and almost annually following the original Secret Wars event
@@210SAi ... yes it did. You sound a little bitter.
@@missinglynks you can disagree if you wish but history of Marvel crossovers say otherwise
@@210SAi name them then. After House of M, Civil War, Annihilation, World War Hulk, Secret Invasion, War of Kings, Dark Reign, Seige, Fear Itself, AvX, Original Sin, Axis, Secret Wars, Civil war 2, Secret Empire. That was an event or 2 every year from 2005-2017. Name Crossover events on that level before House of M, with that consistency... oh wait, that's right, you can't! Like I said... you sound bitter.
Surprised you didn't mention the retcon of Wanda and Quicksliver NOT being mutants that happened years later and how it seems Marvel may in fact be reversing course on that in reestablishing them as Mutants in a Pax Krakoa Marvel Universe. Especially since Wanda was declared a traitor and pretender to the Mutant Race.
I don’t think the issue will be resolved. They will still fear and see her as a threat. She is trying to redeem herself but no matter how much she tries she keeps making things worse. Sure Beast invited her to krakoa but I don’t think she is a welcomed figure there.
@@mor_xn_o768 no. The writers keep making things worse for Wanda. And it all started with bloody Bendis.
Wanda is the Jean Grey of the Avengers! Whereas Fox screwed up the Dark Phoenix storyline, the MCU is meticulously moulding the Scarlet Witch travails in WandaVision and onward.
Not really.
@@antigoku2083 yes really
Wandavision sucks compared to house of m ....mcu has never followed any source material to any fundanental degree ...winter soldier,civil war,infinity war they fundamentally change those stories thematically and aesthecatically ....mcu doesnt give two shits about source material
@@digontozahid why...do...snobs...like...you...always...love...typing...like...this
@@acrux1918 he's right tho. Did you even read the stories?
you’re doing god’s work owen, we’re getting closer and closer to time runs out 😤
What’s time runs out if you mind me asking
@@alexsao1105 one of the dopest most epic books of all time. Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers. Go to your nearest comic retailer and check it out. Please. You won't be disappointed.
@@alexsao1105 it’s basically the prelude to secret wars (2015). it involves the incursions and has pretty badass character moments. really love that story.
No, more mutants!
And yet no one ever considers that Scarlet Witch Powers are ridiculously OP that they’re nearly Godlike.
Yep which is why in some instances you better not piss her off or she'll wipe you out of existence as if you were never there
Kurt Busiek came up with by far the best definition of her power, as Chaos Magic (ancient magic connected to emotions) gifted to her at birth by the Elder God Chthon. Chaos Magic works as a concept, and it gives Wanda her own narrative arc. "Reality warping because accident of birth/genes " is stupid and adds nothing to Wanda as a character, it leaves her as a static character with no potential for growth.
Steve Englehart and Kurt Busiek pushed her towards being an actual Witch, and this led to immense character growth for her. Byrne and Bendis turned her into an OP plot device with no skill or nuance, and that led to her being pretty much ruined forever in comics.
She’s nothing compared to Doctor Manhattan
@@matiokmathiang2687 are you sure about that?
They do that a lot with female characters.
Avengers disassembled is the comic series that made marvel fans aware that Bendis should not trusted with the main continuity, because he'll disregard it and do whatever he pleases leaving it to the next writer to fix. dc fans found out the hard way what Marvel fans went through during the early to mid 2000s with his Superman run.
Bendis does his best work when he's not confined to previously established continuity there's a reason his Ultimate Spider-Man run is so good because he didn't have to worry about that pre-established lore of Earth 616. I will admit Bendis Batman Universe miniseries is really good because it wasn't constrained by continuity.
Don't compare his Avengers work with his Superman run... that sounds crazy.
@@missinglynks Why they both suck
@@avenge2168 Nah. New Avengers was fantastic.
"There's no such thing as chaos magic", says an astonishingly stupid Doctor Strange, except of course that Chthon (who would later call Strange out on his BS) and Shuma Gorath are literally made of the stuff, and that Chthon gave Wanda a fraction of his soul so she could use it. Of course, Chthon, Wanda's arch enemy, never shows up in House of M, because by pure lucky coincidence he apparently went on vacation with his brother Set. Also, Wanda conveniently didn't bring back any of the characters Bendis was not interested in, like Vision, Agatha Harkness, Scott Lang, Wanda's mother does not even get a mention, while the father who actually raised her, Django, who gave his life to save her from Chthon, is absent as well. Bendis erases Wanda's history and backstory to turn her into a D-list satellite of Magneto. Bendis focused on his favourites, such as Wolverine, Spiderman, Luke Cage, none of whom have anything to do with Scarlet Witch, who barely even appears in the story, and has no character arc.
@@garywintle8023 House of M was amazing for it's time. Fantastic EVENT comic.
It's interesting to that this was the beginning of Marvel's modern age. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Marvel post-2005, but I think it's plain that understanding this story is important for understanding the comics of today. Bendis, for all his faults, knows how to challenge people's perceptions. I don't like where they've gone since, but I do appreciate how stories like this make clear how they intended to move forward. Great video, Owen.
Some of the newer stuff isn't all that bad. Donny Cates' current Thor run is very good imo.
@@zylo999 That man has wrecked Thor!
I really loved House of M as a teenager and I think that good part of it is the art of Coipel, he makes everything looks epic, elegant and exciting. He really has a unique take on superhero comics.
It's hard to revisit House of M and not ultimately view it as a petty ploy to devalue the X-Men brand while Fox held the film rights... and Bendis went along with it as he got to bring some of his most wanted toys back...
the mcu wasn't even a thing then tho
@@ItsOver9000Productions But it was starting up, and especially in 2012-17 they didn't want X-Men to get much of the spotlight.
Disassembled was more about Bendis hating the classic Avengers and wanting to replace them with A-listers and his faves. His character assassination of Wanda was utterly cynical and deliberately designed to make her unusable, leading to her disappearing from comics for 7 years. Quesada wanted to reduce the number of mutants after he felt Grant Morrison had made too many. So they approached that issue in the most petty, spiteful, and short-sighted way imaginable, by using a character they wanted rid of to rid them of characters they did not want. Scorched Earth, basically. It's very, very clear that Marvel Editorial hates Wanda and there is a huge gulf between Marvel Comics (which wants to ignore her and kill her off) and Marvel Studios (which wants to push her as a female hero) on Scarlet Witch.
it certainly hurt the xmen brand no doubt about that once the strongest brand in comics
Shut up Cornette
House of M is one of my favorite Marvel stories ever and I am so glad to have it in floppies. Great video, keep up the good job 👏
Amazing video as always Owen, I always look forward to these
Bendis is the biggest one-hit wonder in all comics, making a modern classic in Ultimate Spider-Man. Then for every comic he does afterwards he just ignores any previous contiunuity, characterisation or previous events just to make his stories work. His writing is filled with the most obnoxious of dialogue and entire filler pages because he's either too uncreative or too lazy to write something engaging. His writing only works when he gets a story alt-universe story so he can have his own sigular story without ruining what came before like he did with his moronic desicions in his Superman run.
I hate what he did in his Moonknight run. Trash
Thank God, that Hickman made mutants their House of X. It's practically a "Mutant Heaven" (won't call it Utopia, because last time it didn't work out for them). I love the fact that even old greatest X-Villains like Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister are welcome their and are practically heroes in new X-series.
After all those "Ages of..." and "Houses of ..." mutants are being fine.
Especially awesome is the that the mutants who died years ago or lost their powers after House of M are back (Banshee, Wind Dancer, Wither) I just hope they would somehow bring back Jimmy Hudson (Wolverine's son from Ultimate Universe), because he's awesome and Marvel practically abandoned him after he was infected with Poison in X-Men Blue.
Question where is Nate Grey? The alternate version from world Age of Apocalypse.
Awesome video man, I read house of m at the right time it seems. Been looking forward too this, keep it up!
Who's here because of wandavision
Wandavision has nothing to do with House of M
@@210SAi I mean the title of the video would clearly bring Wandavision watchers here 🤷🏾♂️
@@210SAi at this point in the show it does
@@Sadbastard false
EWW CinemaSins DSMOM
CinemaSins-previously on Wanda Vision, what’s WandaVision? oh it's just a six-hour TV show that you need to have watched, so you can fully appreciate what's happening in this movie. well, it's about making it completely redundant.
Th3Birdman- that was a lot of BS in a lot of words. This is not one of those instances where you can "books don't matter" this away. the MCU is interconnected, and they have established that fact over the past 14 years, at this point an entire child was born and is now entering High School in the span of time from the first Iron Man movie till now. if you are missing MCU shows and films for one reason or another, you cannot blame anyone but yourself for being lost if you then attempt to jump back in at a later point, and WandaVision was not made redundant by this film it set up Infinity gem-less Vision, Agatha Harkness, Spectrum and the Darkhold.
Wanda-I made mistakes and people were hurt.
CinemaSins- all true but the main thing is that you've learned from those mistakes on a ready to move on. there's no way this movie would undo an entire season of character growth in 90 minutes, right?
TH3Birdman- right again, you've missed the point. Wanda is under the influence of the Darkhold. I mean it's in the name the Darkhold. That’s one of the major plot points of this film that whoever uses the Darkhold will be corrupted in some way. The very end of WandaVision shows her using the Darkhold.
Great video! It's so interesting to think that this one event did so much for the Marvel universe and the mutants themselves. On one hand the mutant era it ushered in was such a weird one for story-telling with the loss of the minority metaphor often associated with the mutants. On the other hand, it is because of this weird era it created, that we were given the current Hickman-led era of mutant stories that has been some of the best x-stories in a long time. From the outside looking in, I see why they went this path but still thought some of it could've been avoided. Looking at it in an in-universe lens, they made the story work and were able to adapt following its conclusion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Owen. I always look forward to when you have a new video drop!
I remember reading this the summer of 2005... I was 16 going on 17... good times. Still have this run in my collection btw.
Great video. I've been a Scarlet Witch fan since X-Men Evolution when she destroyed everybody. So hearing just how powerful she really is gives me hope we see this in WandaVision.
Yeah I can't wait for that show and their version of "house of M" being a pseudo tv sitcom reality!
@@wolfgang6442 The showrunner called House of M lazy.
Quicksilver can never catch a break
The era following Decimation up until AvX was one of my favorite for the xmen. They were really able to push that feeling that the time of mutants had passed and that all they could do was just try to strive off extinction that little while longer.
Love the era of X-Men that followed this, Messiah trilogy is fantastic, Hope is one if not the only one to get a rather conclusive arc, though I would like to see more of her as I think there are plenty of stories to tell, but I don't mind the wait...
And I never saw Cyclops as taking a "villainous turn" I feel he became more anti-hero, colder and more means to an end, more Punisher than Captain America.
Yeah, Hope was a great build up with no payoff just like Vulcan and to a lesser extent X-Man
I have 3 other Comic story recappers subscribed to. But I really love your style. Not too long not too short. Just the right information I need. Subscribed to you now. Looking forward to future work
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that!
I think WandaVision will end with Wanda being completely alone, Hayward calling her a mutant; insulting her, saying she’s the only one. And she takes on the title and her last words will be “No, more mutants”. Giving so many mutant abilities, and rebirthing her children.
Spoiler alert; the hex has to be destroyed because it's killing the townspeople. Because wanda’s kids were made there, her kids can't exist unless she thinks about them. As Tommy leaves the hex, Hayward shoots Tommy and he dies like how quicksilver dies. Because wanda is in distress, her kids begin to disappear. Hayward calls her kids disgusting and mutants. Wanda later replies, “then let there be mutants” and then the hex explodes, leaving a wave that covers the planet, caring mutants.
Source: leaks.
@@zachsmith5766 lol this aged horribly
Can you spell BULLSH*T?
why would he have called her a mutant? she isn’t a mutant in the mcu
@@asmrtpop2676 because the term mutant hasn’t been invented in the mcu yet
Great job as always. Anytime you do a vid on mutants, I'm all in. Keep up the great work and stay safe.
I had never read house of m despite always meaning to but this video is the kick I needed to finally pick it up and give it a go
The Messiah trilogy was one of the best stories that came from the shadow of House M.
Excellent brief synopsis of House of M!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Certainly an interesting era and event for the X-Men.
You're my favorite channel. Thank you, sir.
Beautifully constructed, great video!
Thank you so much!
10:07 Strange how that coincided with Disney getting the rights back from Fox
cool video, good pacing and explanation of the story.
Thanks Steve, glad you enjoyed it!
This is probably such a dead horse to beat but I'd love to see you tackle Tom King's Vision run since it's the other side of the coin of what WandaVision is alongside House of M.
I'd need to reread it, but it's definitely worth considering. Maybe I could squeeze it in for when Wandavision finishes?
House of M was great, but can we finally acknowledge how inconsistent The Decimation was? First they said that only 198 mutants still had their powers, then they said that was only in America. Iceman lost his powers, until they revealed that he was just faking it. Wanda said no more mutants taking away the powers of mutants throughout the multiverse, and then they pretended that never really happened. Some mutants and people weren't in the House of M reality, even though they clarified that the House of M reality had encompassed everybody on earth. At the end of AvX all mutants got their powers back, wait, no some mutants did not have their powers returned. So confusing!!!!
In AvX Hope and Wanda with the Phoenix "created" new mutants, the ones that were depowered (the millions) didn't gain their powers back
@@Fernandopriet Actually they did. Most mutants got their powers back at the end of AvX with tons more bing created by the Phoenix. But, some (like Prodigy) remained decimated for no real reason except that maybe the writers sort of forgot.
@@dallasgrey4247 Do you know which issue they revealed that in and some examples of who was affected? The only mutants I remember being depowered and being repowered got their powers back by different means, like Rictor with Wanda and her son as an example. I'd really like to go back and read it because it might be an issue I missed and I loved that era of xmen so if I have something new to read from that era that would be fantastic!
@@marth354 I don't understand the question.
@@dallasgrey4247 my apologies. I was asking if you could give an example of some of the mutants who got their powers back in that way and if possible which issue it was revealed in that those people were repowered that way. I remembered the hope/wanda combo just making new mutants and not restoring old so I would like to go back and read where it was stated diffrently because i may have missed it back in the day. Was reading a lot pf different aeries at the time.
I LOVE this story! One of my all time favorites. I’ve enjoyed it many times over. During my rewatch of your video, at about the 4 minute mark, I wondered if Wolverine is actually the villain of this whole story. From the perspective of those who enjoy their existence on this reality, he offers an alternative that is rife with suffering and ideology. No thanks, Bub…I’d be all-in
Yeah, I read this one.
4:29 this part stayed in my mind, because it’s Logan as director of SHIELD, he has a thing with mystique and Kurt and Rogue are there too. What are their lives? 🤣
House of M is evem still relevant in the Hickman X-Men era. Wanda is basically is a antichrist scapegoat figure on Krakoa, and the decimation event is one of the most significant actions against mutantkind that compelled Xavier and Magneto to participate in Moira's agenda. (Although it kinda doesn't make sense why they'd hate Wanda when she can just remake a House of M reality since that's basically what Krakoa is trying to accomplish now).
THey let in Sinister (Mutant Massacre), Apocalypse (too mnay killed to count) and others, so this excuse isn't that good any more
Just a suggestion Could you cover how all over the place the iron man comics are they have no direction
Bravo , fantastic video, great job
I actually just was gonna start this today so I came to drop a like. Ill be back when i finished it. Keep up the good work my man
Thanks, I hope you enjoy it!
great job on covering house of m man ;)
Hearing Owen curse, even if it was just him quoting someone else, really caught me off guard.
It's very rare you'll hear me curse on a video 😬
House of M definitely feels like a pivot point, both creatively and business wise. I dont think it can be really discussed without talking about the Fox Xmen movies and the change in Marvel's business going forward. Both in trimming a lot of the post 90s Xmen glut but also shrinking their exposure in Marvel when their relationship with Fox got contentious. But either way, its probably the clearest point of delineation between comics and style I remembered as a kid, and those I read in late high-school.
It may have been shocking at the time but now it just seems like in desperation Marvel let a madman go into a fine China shop with a baseball bat .
House of M was good, but I really grew tired of all other stories trying to adapt and face the consequences of Wanda´s actions.
Could you do a video on the 2013 Avengers limited series "Children's Crusade"? I think it has plenty of plot points that the MCU might take from, so I think it would be cool
Zir0_ZoneZ I agree, we need a video on "Children's Crusade"
EVENTS, EVENTS, EVENTS!
If everything is special then nothing is special.
Wow she literally broke the 4th wall and changed Marvel itself.. Scarlet Witch 🧙♀️ too OP
This should be an animated movie
I still don't get why Polaris was made Magneto's daughter. Just because she has the same powers as him doesn't mean they have to be related. Before that retcon Starr Saxon tried to use a Magneto robot to trick Lorna into working for him but Iceman found out her real parents died in a plane crash.
WandaVision about to get serious
Wolverine being able to remember the real world because of his desire to remember his past is fucking brilliant.
One of many reasons why DC should never have let Bendis near Superman.
House of M was a great story. Bendis ruined DC or DC ruined him
Love this
@05:35 I remember the Hawkeye moment at the end of issue three was specifically the scene that Bendis said would "break the internet in half."
That Wednesday I secured my copy and called in to work...like an idiot. Wow, what a letdown that was. The watercooler chat about this series cratered at our local shop. It was overhyped and under-delivering...repeatedly. The only thing worse in comics, I think, than death-stunting is resurrection-stunting. I try time and again to return to the stories and I find I liked so many of the spin-offs better.
If you want to say so, dude but for X-men readers HOM and the Decimation was Quesada and Bendis wrecking a franchise to bring back their childhoods for the 60's and 70''s sent the x-men down nearly a Decade of mostly crap stories. I dropped everything except X-factor and later picked up the trades of New X-men. X-force was decent enough writing wise but wasn't my taste. Messiah Complex and Necrosha being interesting crossover. I peace-ed out of marvel after the Vampire vs X-men story arc. Kept an ear to the ground only came back in early 2020 after watching a few Rob reviews of Dawn of X-/Powers of X .
I realized that the No More Sex meme was from that No more mutants panel
3:16
*wanda vision walks through the door*
The huge crossovers were a big marvel staple loooong before Bendis. Contest of champions, secret wars 1 and 2, etc.
True, but post Disassembled they really became an annual thing. I don't think they were as inescapable prior to the 2000s as they were afterwards.
Wanda: oh no. Woopsies!
[Laugh Track]
My wandavision theory is Wanda is going to be Scarlett witch and accidentally create mutants with this “dome” reality show. As they leave they’ve been altered but if the dome comes down then maybe everyone inside becomes a mutant.
So I was partial right, Monica has powers of some kind now!
Now that Marvel and Disney have the rights to the X-Men that's probably how they'll introduce mutants to the MCU.
Ahh! I got scarlet witch right!
Meanwhile in Space
Thanos: Hmm... that's not a bad idea
Do you think Marvel will ever consider a true reboot of their comics continuity? Not an alternative continuity like Ultimate or Heroes Reborn, but a full reboot starting the main line of comics over like DC's Rebirth (or New 52). I'm not sure I like the idea, but I wonder if it would ever be viable.
fifteen years? crap, where's the time gone? hey Wanda, try this one: "no more cross-over events!"
I know right, I had to do a double take when I wrote that!
@@OwenLikesComics great video, keep em coming!
You know something funny?
Just yesterday, I picked up House of M from my public library in preparation for WandaVision.
*COINCIDENCE?!?!?!?*
....probably. xD
Both Marvel and DC have had some truly awesome and epic stories, and this one, and everything that came out of it, was one.
Sadly, both companies have decided to commit suicide, and are now producing absolute trash that even insane monkeys don't want to read. The new Golden Age was short-lived.
I'm sure this won't have any other ramifications in other media.
*We are an unusual couple intensifies*
I doubt it as the MCU is going in a different direction to the comics. As Wanda's only substantive appearance post-HoM was James Robinson's 2015 solo, there is a lack of source material for Marvel Studios to mine, so they are likely opting to go in a brand new direction. Wanda being in Doctor Strange pretty much confirms we are getting a Kurt Busiek flavoured Chaos Magic (the only convincing explanation of her powers there has ever been) wielding Witch. Note that Feige stated Wanda is a Witch. He likes to keep things simple and not confuse audiences.
It's notable that Marvel comics, which opposed Wanda being in the MCU and banned her from comics for 7 years, released no tie-ins for WandaVision, in contrast to every other MCU release, and that Wanda has received no push in comics during her presence in the MCU. With the exception of Jim Zub, none of Marvel's writers are interested in her as anything other than a punching bag or plot device.
House of M is what makes Hickman's run so enticing to me, he made mutants powerhouses again, they stopped being everyone's bitches. I hated what Bendis did, he essentially drove me away from the X-Men when he took over and Rosenberg made sure I stayed away, but Hickman has done so much in so little time that I feel grateful for the past now.
This all coincided with the fox/mcu back and forth during that time in an attempt to devalue mutants due to movie rights issues
Nice
Owen, do you remember Emma Frost in the Civil War story, asking Tony " Where were you, when our babies were dying?"? Is that how House of M influenced Civil War?
Before Noughts and Crosses,it was House of M.
When u'll upload vdo on Superman 1978
There's also the theory that the no more mutants aspect was kind of a fuck you to Fox Studios. The X Men movies were doing gangbusters and Marvel didn't want to keep giving them free publicity.
So they were trying to reduce the mutants involvement in the Marvel comic universe. And it was around the same time that Marvel got back the rights to some of their characters for movies and wanted to focus the comics on those.
Iron Man began scripting in the same year as House of M and also explains why he was such a pivitol part of Civil War.
My Hero Academia is a must read manga.....
Yes!
It is
@@troyoboyo17 FACTS!!!
@@arjunjupally9674 I know....
The line should have been “we don’t have the film rights to the X-Men”. That’s why they did this.
The death of superman/house of m and their consequences, have been too disastrous 😔✊
Ok this is going to take a minute and I think this is a good place to ask this. I grew up in the 80s mostly on DC because of COIE which I loved. I didn't get into Marvel until later in college and dipped out in the mid 90s. I like the MCU and in the last couple years I've been catching up with the comics, and am really disliking Bendis. House of M was so dirty in so many ways..
One of the reasons I like the MCU is that the storylines are from runs I know from back in the day, and they made a lot of bad runs into good or at least decent movies. I'm still 11 years old when I get to see great action scenes with real movie stars instead of Superman III & Howard the Duck, I still can't believe they made Hawkeye, Captain America and Vision look not just good but cool. But now that they're doing Carol Danvers & House of M I don't know what to make of this. These runs, finding out about them now were toxic. There's always going to be writers that don't care to know the continuity of the characters they're writing, it's comics but how do you let someone destroy mutants and the X-Men? And it is an absolute character assassination of Scarlet Witch, if someone hates mutants don't have him write X-Men. And especially don't kill your biggest asset because you don't like the studio that has the film rights, I am just catching up here and it's absolutely astonishing what has happened to the industry.
So is it inevitable now that the MCU goes All New All Different? I don't know..
house of m I thought was a okay story but oh boy I really don't like the way we got to house of M with the terrible destruction of the avengers and scarlet witch character with avengers disassemble but that's just my opinion.
Along with the fact that for Dissambled to work, Bendis had to ignore a previous I think late 80s or 90s story where Wanda did recover her memories of her kids, and did not turn against her friends, she and Vision just talked about that and deal with it very maturely.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 which a lot of people criticize bendis for doing that especially for his treatment on Scarlet Witch and the Avengers
Avengers is needed of a complete overhaul. Bendis admitted he doesn’t know what to do with Wanda and use her as a plot device for his long term storytelling
@@opposite_hedgehog_753 which isn't a surprise to me given how Bendis wrote wanda really badly in this story.
@@TevyaSmolka Which really isn’t a bad thing considering we get New Avengers, House of M, Secret Invasion, Siege, and AVX because of this
I hated House of M when it happened, bc like you said, it kick-started crossover events. I was a big fan of that Avengers run and they just suddenly cut it short with dangling plot lines to lead into the event and then soft rebooting.
It's what started my declining interest in superhero comics. As any time I got invested in a single series there was the likely event a new crossover story would happen and at best pause or at worst completely end whatever stories were going on.
And this would keep happening over and over with basically annual events that required every series to be involved. Like how Civil War basically ended that Spiderman run by making him reveal his identity to the world.
But at least House of M and Civil War were generally interesting events I did enjoy conceptually. They did build Wanda's faltering mental state for awhile in Avengers and Civil War was kind of brewing for like a decade in Marvel in general and felt relevant in a post 9-11 American paranoia. So I kept going.
But I really called it quits when one of my favorite runs of the time, the really great and underappreciated meta She Hulk story as a multi dimensional lawyer, got ended by Secret Invasion.
I couldn't care less about Secret Invasion, it felt so artificially inserted, that it became extremely apparent to me that investing in any one series and writer would just be ended by an editorially mandated world event.
U should do daredevil born again
Great idea!
God, Avegners Disassembled was so bad. Literally the only good thing to come out of it was the short Thor run by Oeming.
"Marvel must also be a few decades behind in their own continuity, seeing as the Scarlet Witch has been learning and mastering her powers over the past 40 years. After all, readers actually watched her training, something rarely seen with other heroes. Yet, this woman is still out of control? What’s worse-she now needs to be de-powered, forced into her rightful place by a man, a sorcerer supreme.
Loretta Ramirez, 2004
X men are finally back in Hickman's story... as villains. Yeah I think I'm good thanks.
And then in 2011 they redeemd Wanda and in 2015 it was revealed that she never was daughter of Magneto and wasn't even a mutant lol
Lore of HOUSE OF M - The Comic Book That Inspired Wandavision momentum 100
Season 2 Cliffhanger I hope is Season 3 House of M (Wandavision)
three words no more mutants
So Joe Quesadilla hates mutants?
Yep
Great video as always Owen. I wonder about the long term ramifications regarding both the comics and the MCU. The issues that Marvel and Fox had over the film rights caused a larger rift than us true fans wanted in the publications. It obviously didn’t work out on either page nor screen. Inhumans was a bust and I believe that Pietro and Wanda have been retconned out of Magneto’s family tree in both print and film. I believe that whatever is about to happen with the cinematic “multiverse” will be the closest we get to source material continuity. In Feige we trust. God Bless Marvel.
Jeezus! The female Marvel characters always look so AMAZING lol it's an adolescent boy's, "Heaven." 😇 👍
What’s really disappointing is that Wanda Vision has very little to do with House of M save Scarlet losing her grasp on reality.
Besides being the cause, Wanda had a very small role in that storyline.
The context of that story had much more to do with the other heroes having to come to grips with being given everything they’ve ever wanted only to have to sacrifice their greatest wishes for the sake of the world.
Saying Wanda was the main character is like saying Legion was the main character of Age of Apocalypse.
Gee, I wonder if this video about House of M being released now has anything to do with an upcoming Marvel TV show about Wanda seemingly getting everything she wanted which half the Internet believes is some kind of adaptation of House of M........
🤔
People who attempt to connect House of M to Wandavision have either not read House of M or didn’t understand the story. There’s no similarities between the two beyond SW creating an alternate reality
Ah The comic where scarlet witch said fuck it and destroyed The whole universe
i thought the comic that inspired WandaVision was The Vision and the Scarlet Witch? A specific comic about how Wanda loses her kids because like the devil or something wants their souls back? But I do see how House Of M also inspired Wandavision AND EVEN Dr Strange MoM
So if I read house of m before avengers vs x men I will understand ?
Of course.
@@antigoku2083 but late now lol
Reality warping is bonkers.
House of M is Marvel's equivalent to the death of Superman In the fact that it had long term-negative consequences 😅😣🙃
It's almost like, when you get to be lazy and don't have to think of an origin, you tend to create way too many characters who are inevitably insanely OP and have to find a way to wipe out a lot of them in one go just so your universe can breathe. I have NEVER been an X-men fan, and I never will be. I'm glad they aren't part of the MCU and honestly hope they never show up, but I know they will.
Something has to eventually de-rail the MCU, might as well let it be mutants, it's all they're good for.