"Soft Lead" Powder coated (300 BLK) Ballistic Mushroom? Gel TEST=)
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- Super Sonic MUSHROOM..! Cast Lead bullets, Ballistic Gel Test. bhn. 10.1 Lead hardness has a lot to do with expansion in super sonic bullets! But not so much in sub sonic bullets! Soft powder coated cast lead bullets seem to fire and function fine. But more testing is needed (more rounds down range) to be conclusive about leading issues. I did seem to have a tiny bit of lead streaking in the 9mm but not the 45 or the 300 black out.. bullet fit is one thing I can work on...(9mm)
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I really like this guy. His positive attitude is infectious, and really makes watching this content incredibly enjoyable. High value my man.
Fantastic stuff, man. Great info! Thanks for taking the time and spending the money!
thanks Johnny's Reloading Bench! your welcome. .. and I'm having fun doing it. . just as you are!!
wow! these are the types of videos reloaders/casters need. I loved being able to see how some of the loads I use perform in gel. You definitely got my subscription. Thanks elvis!!
Hey Presley Garza .. thanks for commenting, I try to do the kinda stuff I want to see myself as a caster and reloader... Got some more great stuff for us to see!!! So glad your on board!!! thanks for watching........
I have been testing powder coated lead hollow points in handguns from a NOE mold for the past 2 years. 45 ACP at factory speeds, use pure (Brn 5) lead, mushrooms perfectly, no leading. At plus P use 7 brn in the 45 ACP gives a perfect mushroom. 9mm pure is too soft, go 7 Brn. Elvis is testing 10 BRN, A hollow point at 10 BTN opens slightly, looks like a wad cutter on a ,45 ACP. I have tested Glock 21, 41, and a few Colts.
I do appreciate the R&D you are doing on PC bullets. Very useful info and will save steps for those of us following. Nice work. I've been casting with Lee TL moulds for going on thirty years and wasted no time getting into PC bullets shortly after stumbling upon your vids. Thanks.
Good stuff E. Waste of time hollow point when you have a 30 cal. bullet expanding to 5/8 = .625. I'm thinking it would make hell of a hog bomb in my sks. Think I'm going to play around a little with this. I think there is a 165 grain .312 mold out there. Probably would knock a deer into the next area code too. Best part is cheap, cheap hunting ammo. I see a toaster oven in my future !
Hey Robert E Lee James... Good observation! I have some really good details in these test videos. A big advantage.... It's the real deal! Thanks again!
We sure do miss seeing your content on here sir! Hope you come back.
That heavy 300blk turning sideways inside a target would really do some damage on a hog or whatever else.
Best soft lead test on the internets! Do you think you could go softer with the 300 subsonic? I wonder how a soft 165 Ranch Dog would do at 1050fps?
Probably great expansion. I prefer shooting subsonic loads from 950-1075fps
Thanks Elvis, you have really solidified my beliefs on the value of all the powder coating that we have been performing... Thanks for all the testing. You have saved us all alot of work....
hey d Klawbohr. .. thanks for the comment. . this community on here has a lot to do with the information we learn. .. great questions, and comments, suggestions, and information sharing. .. I couldn't do it without ya! thanks for watching!
Just cast, pc'd, and sized some really soft 180gr Lee cast bullets. Loading them up today! Thanks for all the effort you put in to this!
I know this is an old video but it is pretty awesome. Great job elvis ammo. I currently run those rounds with a gas check but you are making me want to test them without.
Elvis,thank you for the great video's! I love em,learning as much as I can before loading my first round of .223,your knowledge and expertise have saved me some time ,and money in mistake's so far!,was just watching Johnny's reloading bench a second ago.he was trying to fix his leading issue's..look's like he took care of that problem with a little help from his friend's!.once again thank you for your time and intense effort to produce another fine video for folk's like myself that really appreciate them KEEP ON ROCKIN IT ELVIS!!!...
its insane how well that powder coat adheres!
hey Mr mysterious. ..it certainly is surprising. .. but we see it! : ) thanks for watching!
elvis ammo ive been using home made bullet lube to traditionally prepare my cast rounds, but youre making me consider powder coating. and i have enough normal lube components to last a lifetime
I can tell you like your mushrooms a lot 🍄
I don't know how I missed this video. I was a subscriber when it came out, and it's exactly the sort of experiment I am interested in. I cast all of those bullets except the 45.
Still good information all these years later.
I would love to hang out with you for a day. You're chill as can be. Great videos man.
Great experiment and result on the super sonic. Thank you for all you do.
Another fantastic video Elvis! You just answered my question about soft lead and powder coating. You are the man! Thank you!
thanks Rudy's 7.... glad to know this sort of info is helpful to others. .. I love this stuff myself! thanks for watching!
Hi Elvis- I'm just going through your library of videos as I'm a new subscriber. Just wanted you to know, since you mentioned possible leading in the 9mm Glock barrel, that historically, leading in Glock's polygonel (so?) rifled barrels is a documented problem with cast bullets. In fact, that's the main reason powder coating has become as popular as it has over the last few years, for use in Glock pistols. PC has gone a long way in mitigating the problem, but can't eliminate entirely, especially with softer lead. Since I haven't watched all of your videos, YET, I don't know if you were aware or other viewers made mention of that in the comments on any of your other videos. Anyway, loving the content. Glad I found you. Thanks.
are these all lee mold bullets? what powdercoat as well? the Harbor freight stuff? Great vid by the way. I was afraid for your cargo trailer
Yeah, Lee bullet molds
Nice work, thanks for sharing
ALL RIGHT!!! Soft lead testing. 😂 Ok, subsonic, no significant deformation. Supersonic, mushroom. Yes, hollow points need to be looked at, but I think Keith style bullets will show more effect over a greater distance. I think hollow points in soft lead will cause markedly decreased penetration. Shall we see?????☺
yes sir Kirk Boswell. .. ya know I'm gonna be trying some of that .. got a round flat nose 9mm coming!
yes sir Kirk Boswell. .. ya know I'm gonna be trying some of that .. got a round flat nose 9mm coming!
Very good video thank you very much a lot of information thanks again
Hey Elvis - it seems like the powder coating really mitigates leading concerns, even when shooting moderate/higher velocity rounds through the rifle. Have you noticed any drop off point with accuracy or other velocity limitations with the softer lead powder coated bullets? Thanks for all your great work - I am learning so much from you and the other reloaders in the TH-cam community. I hope YT doesn't follow through with it's suppression of free speech.....
Good stuff Elvis! Thanks for sharing this valuable info! I'm sure I just missed it but what velocity are your 160 gr. supersonics?
hey CountryBoyPrepper. .. yea this has been some good stuff for us! I m really liking this testing. .. those 160 supers are moving at 1650 fps. the last test using bhn 22 the bullet almost punched a clean hole all the way through 32 inches of gel. .. this one is nice.. I'm gonna try some at around 15 bhn as well. ... thanks for watching!
@@elvisammo do you have a chronograph?
Great stuff. This answers (or starts the conversation) a lot of questions. I'm powder coating my practice rounds and really needed confirmation of the effectiveness of the powder coat and the effects of lead hardness.
hey Larry Kool. .. yea understood. .. I'm gonna be getting a little deeper into the subject. .. we've all been talking a lot about it. . and now it's time we see for our self. ...so far we know there are great benefits for sure. we just don't know all them... thanks for watching!
I love your intro man, you've got a lot of enthusiasm and it carries through your videos! Your videos do seem to be a bit long though, I would watch more if I had the time.
Elvis you are the man!!! Thank you for all the hard work you do!! Love your channel buddy!
Wow great congrats content. I wish they were edited down just a touch. I would definitely watch more if they were
Way to go Elvis. Good catch on that missle. I really doubt that hollow pointing it will make much difference. I've read were some people have put tin foil between the mold halfs but leave the tip complete to try getting some expansion. Maybe hollow point one of those. Also a straight bit doesn't work that well. I've seen were star bits might work ok. It was neat to see the 160 super. The 9mm & 45 worked about like I expected.
You'll have to use what we call a starter bit, they come in a couple sizes one 1/4" and the other 3/16'ths (?) but they have a thick shaft and won't bend. Harbor Freight has them cheap. I think you may do better with a wide meplat instead on that missile.
Can't wait to see the next test as I haven't used the gel, only test in water columns with HP's of soft lead at low velocities to make a round you can use in house against a perp that won't pass through and wound the innocent. Love your work Elvis!
Will be interesting to se how the flat point compares.
Another great video. Thanks for your research. I enjoy it.
Besides low velocity, bullet design could have a lot with the 230 grain not expanding. Do you know of any molds that have a flat point instead of a spire point? I think a larger meplat would help greatly. A Keith style SW would be awesome.
Yes like the Kaido conicals are perfect for expansion
Elvis, so what your essentially saying is the powder coat is improving the bullets ability to handle increased pressures with the pure soft lead. I find your videos extremely easy to follow and educational so it's taking me a while to get through them all.
Hey James Ford... I think one of the differences Is It gives us a little more forgiveness without the leading. But the bullet still needs a certain hardness to withstand the rpms. and hold together on the way to the target. Good stuff!
Great video. ThanKs
Thanks Elvis great job keep up the good work love your videos I have learned a lot thank you young man
Glad ya finally trapped the ninja like.300 missile . Wow that .300 230gn sub left a beautiful permanent cavitation .Lee makes a 5 cavity .452 250gn rf Keith style that is pretty impressive . Especially loaded with aa no.5 feels like a 9mm out of a .45acp recoil wise .
Great video and content again .Thanks !
hey C Delo. . I did some meditation. .. and the yoga... I hypnotized the bullet into behaving like I wanted it to .... that thing didn't have a chance! !! : ) that sounds like an impressive 45 bullet! thanks again for watching!
If you want to make easy expanding bullets for the lee mold, stick a strip of aluminum foil in between the mold halfs and cast. Depending on the depth of the aluminum you can adjust the expansion depending on your heat treating of the lead. Very rapid and radical expansion with two aggressive petals. Expansion is erratic, but it is always pretty large.
hey Dave Smith.. thats a pretty cool idea! however im getting good expansion just by using softer lead... I like that your thinking outside the box.. thanks for adding to the subject! And thanks for watching!
Breaking new ground, as always! Good job buddy!
AWESOME JOB!!!! Thank you SO much for this! Great work and very thorough! im doing some testing myself with a mihec .458 cast hollow point "boolit" shooting out of a 45-70. (powder coated too. ) Thanks Again! keep up the great work! Shout out from the mnts of Virginia!
hey there, preacher biggin.... Thanks for the shout out from the fine mountains of Virginia. ... good luck with with the testing of that monster out of the 4570..... that's a chunk! thanks for watching. ... God Bless!
This guy reminds me of the 'but it helps' mechanic guy
Great video again. Those cavitation channels are meaningless unless the bullet is traveling at least 2000fps. Below that speed those channels just close back up due to the elastic nature of flesh. Above that speed the hydrostatic shock is great enough to cause tearing and permanent channels. You can see the extensive data on this from the FBI and numerous pathologists. It's common to see online gel tests where the content maker mistakes those cavitation channels for what would actually happen in flesh, this simply isn't true unless we are talking above 2000fps and closer to 2200fps. This means no pistol will produce expanded wound channels and pistol wound analysis depends solely on bullet expanded diameter, or more simply the size of the hole the bullet makes.
Also, penetration in gel is always a very best case as there is no bone, ligament or tendon in gel. You will always get less penetration real world.
Love the channel and never miss an upload. Keep up the good work.
hey there cgirl111...it's great to see your still out there! everything you say about the fbi stats is true. yes! I haven't compared conventional ammo of any kind. to the cast lead. someone needs to tell my ballistic gel that the oblong hole 2.25 x 7inch is not permanent !! : ) but in real life, that could be another matter. maybe use a slab of pork ribs!..that is however the most damage I have ever seen from a sub sonic round by far!! real life penetration is the question?... that one seems to be a wild cat!!! the super sonic 160 gr. @ 1650 fps even at that speed was very impressive... now this one on the other hand even though it had a star like .75 inch permanent channel... I personally think would be "more" impressive in real life.. ( damage, penetration) because of the amount of energy... speed is a factor that can get ya in trouble. when maximum damage is preferred ... a lot of hunters know this... but there is a sweet spot. And every load has one. And there are other factors like distance where speed becomes more important. Don't Know if you seen the outcome of the video showing the 223 mushroom? Glad to talk to ya again! God bless
Awesome vid, it answered so many questions for me on soft lead vs harder lead.
hey BPCR Bigginer... yea me to.. there's a lot more that we can do than we thought!
I love your videos Elvis! Keep em coming!
thanks Alan Oberle.... thanks for watching! !!!
Good test. I think that without the powder coating you would see a lot more leading in your barrel. Use same alloy, same bullet, only hollow point the bullet with a jig on a drill press and do not coat the hollow point, then i think you will have a good defense round.
Another great vid Elvis. Keep them coming
Have you ever done a long term study on the effects of aging on the hardness of the lead? It's my understanding that it will harden as it ages, but I wonder what the time is that it will reach peak hardness and not get significantly harder.
hey Keith Hamilton... It is my understanding that they get harder for a short period of time and may even soften just a little over a longer period of time. i have tested them over a short period .. (30 days or so ) and noticed a small increase. as far as im aware they remain in the ballpark though.
He is just a nice person
I think with this information I will cast the lee 230 grain mold with bird shot ingots I made from shot I poured out of that cheap 100 round box of shotgun shells from Walmart. FortuneCookie45LC said it is hardend lead. not sure of exact ingredients or how hard it is but it's not pure soft lead.
good stuff. the tests show alot. For the 9mm round with a truncated cone have you thought to try out Winchester 572 ball powder? it would be supersonic at the starting load and the pressure would be 27,200 max being 1,212 fps @ 32,600. i might have to get some ballistic gel... maybe for Christmas :) Thx for your work
Thanks. .300 blk is a reloading dream.
thanks Elvis can't wait for the next video
thanks Jason Hotchkiss. .. I can't wait to get the next one going myself. ....thanks again. ..
BHN X 100 = V needed for expansion
Somewhere over a decade ago I picked up a formula for BHN and velocity to achieve reliable expansion. A flat nose style bullet is needed for this to be reliable. It has always worked.
Simply BHN X 100 = V needed for expansion. You just add two zeros to your BHN number. Thus a bhn of #10.1 as used in this video would needs a V above 1,000 fps with a flat nose bullet. Most sub sonic is loaded at 1,050 fps. Which would be marginal. Which demonstrates why the RN 230 grain bullet nor the pistol bullets did not expand.
I run flat nose hard cast in all the calibers tested in this video. I keep my 9mm cast at under 26,000 psi which puts them at around 1050 fps for a 125 grain flat RN cowboy revolver style bullet. Or the 122 gr TCFP. The 45 acp is a far better cast bullet shooter. 230 grain FN cast at 850 fps. No reduction in power. In 45 and 9mm the flat noses reduce penetration. The 124 FN bullet the USAF developed for the 9mm way back when it was adopted. Could not pass the NATO penetration test through all that hard pine board. IIRC that’s 16” setup in three stack with air gaps. So while a FN blew twice the diameter hole in clay as the RN. Our military used the RN to meet NATO penetration. In 300 ACC I like the 245 gr powder coated flat nose at BHN #17 that I purchase. Since I don’t care to setup for painting bullets. I shoot it from a 1-6” twist barrel. Never tried it but I don’t think the fast twist would like soft bullets. It does stabilize the long bullets well.
A FACTOID. My 9mm flat nose will decapitate ,with a neck shot, a chicken that refuses to be caught. Then they flop around and bleed out nice. :-)
very informative! thanks for taking the time to put these videos out, I like the 3%er bands on the mags. I might try that 230gr mold next
thanks Got Owned!!! showing my support for the US Constitution!!!! that 230 is a good way to shoot steel and train along with your handguns up close.!!!
elvis ammo I've got a question for you, I got that 230gr mold in and I cast some using wheel weight lead like all my other bullets, I heated these up like the others 4 min and couldn't get the powder coat to stick. I soaked them in acetone and tried several times to coat them I don't know what the deal is
thanks Got owned! if not for the few we wouldn't be free! just got through shooting steel with the 230.... awesome!
How do you get the powder coat to stick to them? Do I need to heat them up longer than 4 minutes? They don't coat like the other grain I was wondering if there's a trick to those
awesome video and excellent information, thanks elvis ammo
Hey Elvis, I just ordered a mould off NOE mounds which is the powder coat hollowpoint version of the lee 230 grain (it’s 247 without the hollow point, with the hollowpoint it’s 230) when I get it I would like to send you some projectiles to powder coat, and test!
Sorry fellas , but this video tells me all I need to know about .300 AAC subsonic , when 9mm and 45acp get far greater penetration than even 160gr supersonic .300 AAC ! Thanks Elvis for a very educational video .
Roha Waha I was really impressed by the way that subsonic round performed. It penetrated 6 inches before leaving a MASSIVE permanent tumbling wound cavity 6-12 inches in and settling about 18 inches in while yawning. that is exactly the performance you want from this niche round. LOVE IT!!
iv'e got some smart peeps on here that pay attention!!!! : )
hey elvis,you should try drilling some of those bullets and make them hollow points and see how they do.you could drill a 1/16 hole in the 230 grn 300blk bullet about a inch deep and that should work.thanks to your hard work and showing us on youtube,I have begun casting and powder coating my own bullets,I have 40 9mm bullets loaded and just trying to find time to hit the range to try them out.I think they will be about the same hardness as the ones you shot in this video.either way I cant wait to be casting all my bullets here real soon! and if you do try making some hollow point bullets please make a video!
hey Mike Haigler...I have been thinking a little about trying to make a hollow point .. people been asking! not real sure if you can improve on the damage that the 230 gr sub is doing. .. I'd rather get hit by a truck! !!! : ) but the 45 cal and 9mm can use some help! good luck at the range! !!
You might want to gas check and hollow point that alloy... Gas check will reduce leading.
I don't have any issues at all with leading..
I kind of want to experiment with black powder loaded cast lead .300 blk in my Remington 700 aac. Making your own black powder and projectiles would leave you at the cost of primers, and the time to clean obviously but everyone should clean their weapons after shooting anyhow.
I am shooting my AEA .457 challenger air rifle at 700fpe, 340g x 1000+ fps and I am just now finding out that dropping my bullets in water hardens the lead. I want softer lead anyways cause having more power then a Glock ACP .45 @ 500fpe I would like to use the extra power to mushroom out the bullet and do more damage to the Deer.
Great videos- I’m glad you tested the 9mm with BHN of 10.1 and powder coated because I’m reloading some of the ww and stick on ww now and was curious about leading, etc.
How about only using stick on ww for a 38 SPL (148 grain full wad cutter, minimal charge) do for only paper target shooting? Some of my BHN results for stick on ww are 7.8 to 8.2. Would this cause leading in the barrel even if I powder coat? Thoughts/comments?
Thanks,
CWH
In the 300 BO, I'm thinking if you found a happy medium between the 230 gr and 160 gr projectiles (say 200 gr) you would have an effective defense round utilizing the soft lead without having to hollow point them.
What this should do is (a) slow up the supersonics a bit thus lessening leading concerns and (b) also decreasing the penetration.
Good video! I have been wanting to try the powder-coating myself with my cast lead "boolits", hopefully you also have a video for that. (I have reloaded commercial powder-coated bullets.)
I just cast a bunch of 180gr Lee mold bullets and powder coated them, unfortunately I won't get to rest them until spring how that winter has set in and the range is only open Saturday when I'm working all day.
Do you really need expansion for the subsonic, if it is tumbling upon impact?
this was very interesting. I think this is the only video that touches this lead hardness debate. I thought if lead is too soft in supersonic it will collapse by speed alone
hey Matt Lord... I was surprised it didn't get more attention... not much out there on the subject! My newest full auto video was done with cast lead, And I don't think thats been done before... Only one person mentioned it! : )
Im always surprised by the State laws that limit our constitutional rights! kinda blows my mind....
I use Harbor freight Powder and Eastwood!
Good video. Why do you go to the trouble of powder coating handgun bullets? I never understood that. Simple Lubrisizer lubing, or even good old Lyman tumble lube.
Another amazing video brother! Holy crap that 300blk supersonic was fantastic! I agree that the softer alloy may not be doing anything to help the subsonic loads, maybe time to HP the subsonic? I love the scientific spirit! Got all my stuff today just waiting on molds
hey EADC Components ... don't be pacing the floor waiting for those molds!!!! : ) man that was a nice mushroom! !! I didn't want to do back flips on camera. ... but I was excited! I will play with the hardness. on that bullet . I want to know how hard I can make it and still get expansion! ! I'll try it at bhn 15 next. but the 230 sub . now that thing, I can't believe could be improved. .. wouldn't ya rather get hit by a truck than shot with that? that bullet flipping leaves a massive permanent wound channel! I'm waiting on my round flat nose 9mm mold. I'm hoping that flat point is all it needs. my reality radar is at 50 percent chance! !!!
Hey man got my molds and began casting, will post a video soon! been ladel pouring waiting for pot! I'll powdercoat some tomorrow! Get some video too. Whens your next test?
That super is a good load, its a keeper. The rest need work
Love your videos Elvis. Would you ever consider selling some of those soft 160 grain supers?
I think ya gotta go all the way and try pure lead in the pistol rounds. Right? I mean I shoot pure lead 1oz slugs at 1350 feet per second. 9mm and 45 are much slower and with the PC it should work fine. Also, how fast are you pushing the lead PC pistol rounds? I load 9mm up to 4.2 grains of titegroup with no issues. Yet to chrono them but function, pressure, ext is no issue. I would be willing to bet you could fire those 125 grainers with pure lead PC'd and see some good results.
Another great vid Elvis. thanks.. going to start reloading. what press would you recommend.....just picked up my first buckets of wheel weights.. thanks again. great info keep up the good work..
hey Frank Rodriguez..man thers a lot of good presses out there. that stupid little lee single stage press you see me using in a lot of videos is pretty awesome ... never thought it would become my favorite! around 30 dollar range. single stage is a must have for prep, and so many other things. I use my lee loadmaster for high volume.. most of the equipment out there are good quality. I tend to favor the lee dies. (ease of use) and the price. hope this helps a bit. I have a lee loadmaster review video." maxed out"
I think soft lead with hollow points that are powder coated is the way to go. I would like to come up with a trick to make soft-point 30 cal ammo that's partially powder coated for my 30-06 for hunting. Anyone figure out how to do that?
dude your content is so cool. love your channel.
thanks Everton Whipple... for taking the time to comment!!!
Be cool to see soft lead cast, powder coated, 55 grain .223 at 2,500 fps in that gel..
Bonjour Elvis, just spent an hour translating this video to a French friend who wants a '300 BLK', very hard to find over here.
Your fan base is getting bigger this side of the big pond.
Hey BZHprepper... I think it's pretty cool no matter where you go. there's people like us!!! Bonjour.. to your friend. thanks for watching and translating!!!!
can I use pure lead with a BHN of 6 on a 1911 45acp with standard load powder with a 200 grain weight mold.
what im trying to ask if the BHM 6 is (''good enough'' ) to handle the psi of the 45acp.
Where is the link to the .223 video?
Also, is that bullet from the Lee 230 grain mold?
Don't remember them being called missiles, LOL, oh, no boat tail.
When you cast these did you quench them or let them air cool? That would have a massive difference on the hardness.
Elvis could you do a video that explains the ballistic differences in speed, accuracy, distance effectiveness, pros n cons of Led Coated vs Full Metal Jacket or Jacketed hollow point Bullets. Please I havent found any videos.
hey Ed L Santos.... That actually a great request and well explained! I'd been wanting to do something along those lines..... See what I can do...
Good info from a country boy . Your brother from new jersey .real nice. Do you get any blue from the bullets in the rifling . It looks like the powder coating is harder than a copper coated bullet. Nice mushroom
hey there Nick L... my jersey brother!!! I've never seen a powdercoat color of any kind come out of a barrel! thanks for being around! !!!
wow great work. with the versitility of this round the world 300 blackout could take the place of my 30-30, ak and be great partner or even replace my 223. hmmmm
I have a question... a couple maybe. SO I am considering getting into reloading, specifically cast bullets. But unlike you I really just want to find a load that works and load a bunch of it. I like this 160 gn 300blackout, and how it mushrooms, I would want to load that for hunting. But I was thinking about something you said in this video and its something that a lot of people say, but it doesnt make sense to me. I was hoping you could explain.
The idea is that a bullet that passes through an animal/assailant is just wasting energy, right? So then the goal is make a bullet that penetrates less so that all of the energy is dumped into the flesh, right? but this doesnt make any sense, isn't it true that the amount of kinetic energy needed to tear through flesh/gel doesnt change. SO if you have 2 bullets that have the same kinetic energy on impact, and one penetrates less than the other then you could say that that bullet is tranferring more energy. BUT, if you reduce the velocity of a bullet to make sure it doesnt penetrate as far, you are essentially increasing the percentage of its energy that is tranferred, but the grand total amount of kinetic energy transferred is less. By this logic, I would expect that velocity is irrelevant, except that higher velocities will increase deceleration and thus increase the chances of expansion... right? SO then doesnt it make sense to always load a road at its highest velocity to encourage expansion which would then transfer the most kinetic energy and do the most damage?
The only time I can see the benefit of reducing velocity is to reach subsonic speeds for suppression. And on that front, do you know of any 300 Blackout hollow points that can be loaded subsonic that will expand at those velocities?
This was a very interesting video i'm kidding all my information together to begin reloading 300 Angela videos have been super in formative
Thanks djalkaline1... Glad to help,,,Thank you for watching! : )
How important is hardness when powder coated?
Have you ever tried not powder coating the tips?
I Enjoy the videos. One question on the soft lead. 20:1 seems about the same Brinel hardness, I was thinking that in a 312-155gr powder coated and sized to .309 would work in my 300blk pistol for about 50yds. Would lead that soft feed well in my are pistol length? What's your opinion? Thank you and keep up the great work.
Hey Robert Wicox.. I believe that gives you about 10 BHN. You shoud get great expansion at around 1500 fps. running it to 16 or 1700 fps shoud be fine... I think it'll work, The only thing I would watch for is bullet deformation when it hits the ramps. Keep an eye on that, Other wise I would use it!
If I just want to make 9mm rounds for plinking only, can I use pure lead, quenched and powder coated?
Curious Sir. Were these stock Glock barrels? Cudos on your testing BTW. Very informative also tho I'm a little concerned on the boolits tumbling and inverting. Any ideas? Thanks for all your work on these vids.
hey mklean1..yes these are stock glock barrels. ..these 230 gr. bullets. . I asume you're referring to. they shoot pretty well. they are heavy and long , and tend to cork screw in the gel causing them to flip. speeding them up could correct this if ya thought it was a problem. .. I think it makes the subsonic bullet more useful. .. thanks again for watching!
@@elvisammo are you gas checking those supersonics and if so are you doing that before you powder coat or after
hear you talk about 4 days old. Does lead get harder over time. Don't mean to sound ignorant but i really don't know. Again, Thanks for the education!! You really don't know how much your knowledge helps. Thanks, Rodney
hey Rodney Hardee. ..it does harden over a short period of time. ... I'm gonna just guess based on my experience and say over a month or so. this is a topic that I haven't been satisfied with the answers for. Just to be honest. .....
I understand that. Just doing a lot more piddling around with this .how would that initiator work in 300 blackout
hey Rodney... you seem interested in 300 blk expansion, mushroom, initiators? you may have missed the seen from toward the end of this video.... This might have been one of the most exciting moments in my gel testing history!!!! Can't seem to figure out how to improve this super sonic. here's a link
th-cam.com/video/u60fH5nriqU/w-d-xo.html
Nice expansion. Sorry to bother you I missed that
Nice catch. Hey Elvis, What is your overall length of those 160gn. 300 BO? And when you load a 20 or 30 round magazine with those, do you see any 'stacking' or 'binding' in the mag.? Thanks...
hey Mick9mm. .. oal was 2.040. and surprisingly I had no issues yet with loaded mags.... I use pmags gen2 or gen 3.... clearly the gen 3 has more room less bulge ... no failures of any kind.. glad you asked... I felt a little uninformed going in... my ears still perk up if someone's talking about it....
Good video Elvis, I like the whole Ballistic Gel thing. It will give you a idea how effective your bullets will do on Game or Rascals to are around the Farm after the Chickens, Btw you should sock a few penny's away and get yourself a .44 Magnum pistol dude. Dave.
hey thorsaxe777. .. yea we are seeing some wonderful things from cast lead! gives us a closer look into the potential of cast bullets! I'd love to have a 44 mag.. no doubt. .. they're I'll just say it... sexy!!! : )
elvis ammo Just put off spending money on something else and save the few extra bucks for a while. Then go on line and pick one out, there isn't anything like having a big bore revolver on hand. I started casting originally because of buying a .44 Magnum back in the 80's. even then .44 mag was a rich mans gun to go buy Bullets and ammo for. I was never interested in the Desert Eagle, you just couldn't go cast bullets for it because of the gas system. I guess that some people out there are using powder coated bullets with great success now. However If I were you I would just stick to a revolver that way you can cast bullets in any bullet weight without effecting the operation of the pistol. Dave.
For Home Defense could the Missile be slowed down a bit and be stable?
Hey I haven't commented recently i see your moving up congrats but I was wondering if you could shoot through the gel into a piece of wood and then shoot the wood first and catch it into the gel I'm trying to see how much it takes for these lead bullets to deform (preferably a 9 mm that's what I cast)
hey Jimmylee Jerzyk .. I hope I sorta answered your question with the 9mm meat and bone comparison test. Latest video?
I’m going to say in the standard velocity .223, you’ll fuck up your gas port, tube, key, eventually.
*Interesting. For the 300 AAC BLK a 30-30 STYLE Lyman #31141 or #311041 173 Flat Nose Gas Check Bullet with LYMAN'S BLACK SUPER MOLY LUBE should perform well... at 1500 or more feet per second ...IF it feeds in your magazine and up your feed ramp. THERE ARE SOME CLONE BULLET MOLD MAKERS CLONING THIS ONE... SOMETIMES, 'AS A HOLLOW POINT'.*
I am just getting into reloading and found this video very interesting. Maybe I missed it, but what velocity is the super sonic bullet going? Is it like 357 magnum velocity? Wonder what the soft lead missile would do if it hit a bone? Thanks for the video.
hey Mathew M.. that one was the 160 grain at 1650 fps. These bullets tend to twist and bend a bit, and mushroom.... I have a video shooting meat and bone in the ballistic gel....
Hello Elvis , the reason that de bullets leave the gel blocks is this ,the rotation is to slow and stops ,and the the bullets go sideways, i like your video`s. yours peter
hey peteralexben. .. yea it seems to be a benefit in this case?
i think not ,slow moving bullets dont have the large hydraulic shock like a supersonic,they need to stay on the line otherwise they loose penetration,and you dont now what they are doing and going in the target.(deer)
those large blackout bullets needs a faster twist. for stability, yours peter
Good vid! Thank you.
Hey garry gilbert ... Thanks for the comment ..... And Thanks for watching!
Elvis brother! you gotta do soft lead 223!..im dyin to know if they will fly apart or stay together
hey... bodyxpolitic. .. really!? but I wouldn't want them any softer ... maybe slightly. . them things left about 5 grains of lead or so in the gel. basically retained weight. . it is perfect! but I understand, you just want to know? right?
yep i just need to know. i have heard so many stories about why people cant cast 223 & ive been wondering what the limits are for cast 223. thanks elvis