Exactly and to block/parry/attack effectively he simply needed both of them. I also think he used one blade to disrespect the Jedi and show his superiority over them. Now if Yoda, and Obi also joined Mace and the others they would have gotten the second blade.
Also I’m guessing using two blades would require significantly more space to wield effectively, space that was somewhat limited compared with the throne room on Mandalore.
My guess is that he had the two blades when he was up against Maul, not because he was better with two blades, but because he *wasn't.* Watching that fight, it's obvious that he's stunting from minute 1. If he was worried they might actually harm him, he would have started the fight with his biggest weapon: lightning. That he almost killed them both with a Force Push said everything he needed to know, so he then went into melee with a dual blade style entirely to "play with his food" as it were, showing off with pointless flash and still dominating the brothers without any real effort. He knew he could kill them whenever he wanted to. They knew he could kill them whenever he wanted to. Literally the only shot they even had was to go in melee and pray they got in a lucky hit against Sidious. He fought like that to humor them, to give them a taste of hope before he turned it into acid and despair. With Windu and Yoda, though, he'd have to take things _much_ more seriously.
You're 100% right. Irl fighting with 2 weapons isn't per say bad but unorthodox. You don't gain that much of an advantage using 2 weapons if any at all in certain situations. It's just one more thing to focus on in the fight. By dual wielding he is essentially showing them how much better he is.
@@ItsBellers the same Lucas that often flip flops on what happens in the story? Besides even if that was true, windu won the fight cause sidious let him win loll.
I had that same thought too, especially given the way in which he uses them on Mandalore. The only way he’d get away with using two would be a more grounded Makashi style of fighting.
exactly, and fighting master windu and master yoda, it was almost like you could see that he felt there wasn’t enough space so he was wielding it very close to him
I've always held the belief that if Mace and Palpatine had kept up the fight (without Anakin showing up) Mace would have eventually killed Palpatine, due to using a variation of lightsaber combat that Palpatine had no knowledge of. Windu invented Vaapad, so Palpatine had no way of knowing it. I think that in reality, he actually underestimated Windu. Windu also had a few force abilities that Palpatine didn't have like shatterpoint, and he was using Palpatine's darkness to boost his lightsaber technique. But idk if this is canon anymore because it's based on the Episode 3 novelization
But Palpatine already had him defeated before Skywalker arrived. There is a moment where Palpatine had his saber pointed at Windu's chest and just didn't end it. You can see the surprise and confusion on Windu's face at that moment. Palpatine was waiting for Anakin to arrive. He threw the fight so he could force Anakin to choose. Windu never had a chance, ever.
@@darthoblivion2615 it’s already been stated the windu beat sidious fair and square. Sidious was generally fearing for his life. Also sidious having his blade pointed at windu doesn’t mean he won. force users are very fast
@@darthoblivion2615 Windu is a bad match up for old man palp. I don't think he was playing opossum at all. He was going all out. Windu just had the right style to beat him. You see this in combat sports all the time. The better fighter doesn't always win, it's about the match up.
I feel like you can’t say that the arrival of the Jedi in his office caught him off guard, after Anakin literally has him at sword point and tells him he’s going to turn him in… if he wasn’t expecting the Jedi to show up after that conversation he’s an idiot. It always seemed to me that he was ready and waiting for them. In the books he was also recording the conversation making it look like the Jedi were guilty of treason. I believe already in The Revenge of the Sith his 2nd lightsaber was cannon, maybe he should have used it since if Anakin hadn’t shown up it looks like Mace had that fight. Thanks for the video
Of course he knew they would come. He studied the plans of the death star and preparef himself for a meeting with the IBC. So Palpatine was sure he win this and he know he would turn anakin to the dark side, otherwise his behavior would make no sense.
I feel the reverse is true He took his time, and played with Maul and his brother. He rushed to kill the Jedi, both to reduce their number, and to throw it in their face how quickly one Sith could decimate a *team* of Jedi masters, _on the council_
0:55 I just now noticed how Maul uses form 3(or at least, the stance), meaning he doesn't believe he can beat Palpatine în direct combat, even with his brother's help, and is going to play defense and hope to find an opening(or am I just imagining it?)
My theory is Palpatine was toying with Maul and Savage. It was like a boxing match, where he out on his gloves (the lightsaber he took on four jedi) because he saw it as a well coordinated move. With Maul and Savage however, he pulls out two, and the gloves came off. He did it not out of hubris, but to remind his apprentice how outmatched he is in terms of lightsaber combat. Palpatine obviously relished this fight, cutting loose amd going as all out as he wanted against his former apprentice. All to send a message to put Maul in his place... under Palpatine's heel.
It’s not a theory! It is clear that sidious is playing with them. They are powerfull but they are not match for the true one sith lord. Sidious was litteraly toying with them. He kill savage first just to make maul souffert. Them he tortured maul with lightning
Maul was actually doing pretty decent even Sidious himself had to keep using the force on him because Maul was keeping up with the lightsaber hits, but him and Savage both did better than the first 3 Jedi killed in episode 3
Wrong. Palps was playing with them at first. Savage was always a burden to Maul. You can see it when he was fighting Obi wan. Maul kept on defending Savage. The moment he got hurt maul hurled kenobi pretty far away. When it was Maul vs Palp one on one you can see it that palps actually starting taking him serious. Heck Maul was able to kick Sidious in the face when dueling. Only Mace Windu was able to kick him. I for one believe whenever palps starts struggling with lightsabers he starts using the force. It was stated in books that palps started using the force because he knew If his fight with Yoda dragged on he’d lose the duel. Maybe he wouldn’t have lost a duel with maul but he sure didn’t wanna keep dueling him. Remember maul has beaten palps before when he was starving for a month and and no sleep. Maul was not just a killing machine. Palps had actually planned to keep maul as his apprentice.
I can't help but disagree with majority of these. For starters, l just have to point out the fact that phalpatine was NOT looking at the death star plans when the Jedi came in, he was when Anakin came in alone. Anakin also told phalpatine, in their discussion, that he was going to turn him over, so he expected the Jedi to come. This is further supported when he talked through the force to Anakin when he was in the temple waiting. "You do know, don't you... If they destroy me, any hope of saving padme will be lost.". Moving on, I don't believe phalpatine feared savage at all. Savage was weaker than maul (although perhaps the Jedi and hence phalpatine's source of knowledge were not aware of this), proven through mauls dominance over him. Fact is, savage was no duelist expert, featuring heavy blows and semi- adequate force abilities, given to him through the night sisters, not neccesarily inherant. Now many could argue this, but let's leave the lore aside and not think too deep about the force, it's a can of worms. As far as your theory about phalpatine "playing" with the Jedi for lack of better term, as far as not being on a time crunch, I believe that is a fully plausible theory, probably my favorite. There is another comment in here that references space, as two lightsaber to properly wield requires room, something the Chancellor's office isn't overly abundant in.
The fact is Darth Sidious has only ever used two lightsabers in any sort of fight or duel *once* In any other situation he has only ever used a single lightsaber: - blaster selection training on Hypori - assassination of the Grand Proctectorate - duel against Mother Talzin - duel against Windu and the other 3 Jedi Masters - duel against Yoda - during the Mission to Ryloth - while he never used it himself, Rahm Kota force pulled the lightsaber from Sidious’ sleeve as he charged at him onboard the first Death Star
I most liked Palpatine's "death augur" as he launches himself at the master Jedi in his office. In fact, I think he should have flown around the room and augured all of them for the entire fight, even chasing Kit Fisto and Mace Windu up and down the hall as a Sith drill.
I’d like to think Sidious knew Maul was dangerous and unpredictable, and Talzin trained Savage in the same manner, so that’s why Sidious had both of his lightsabers; he could manipulate the Jedi to his advantage, so he only needed the one.
For me personally, I think he simply had some fun with Maul and Savage. To be fair I think Maul actually did well blade wise but force wise was no match. When it comes to Windu I think he may have under estimated him. He struck down all of them. Windy said hold my beer and went toe to toe. Anakin (rightly so for story sake) saved Sideous. In fact I think if Yoda and Windu confronted Sideous (of course Yoda was on Kashyyk) would have lost easily. Yoda technically best him in blade to blade. Force powers Yoda matched but couldn't over power in. So many what ifs. As it stands Sideous clapped cheeks.
My original assumption was him using 0-2 lightsaber depended on how hard he wanted to flex a L/insult his enemies. For maul and oppress they used double blades. So him using 2 was to show them how much better he is. Same with the Jedi council, he used 1 because most Jedi only used 1.
Honestly, Palpatine's lightsaber style in The Clone Wars is beautiful. He's a perfect combination of savagery (scarring the floor, aggressive moves) and flashy grace (very acrobatic and flowing movements, blocking behind himself). No one else in the whole series fights like he does, even other dual wielders. He makes everyone else look like amateurs.
Palpatine's style is like a combination of Anakin's and Dooku's , powerful strikes and acrobatic while being elegant, which is ironic considering that the 2 is his last 2 apprentice too
@@davidkosiba624 Where do you see Anakin and Dooku being acrobatic? Neither of their lightsaber forms are acrobatic; actually, both forms 2 and 5 avoid or lack it. If you want acrobatic, look to Yoda, a master of form 4.
It is almost the inverse of Darth Maul using a single blade of his saberstaff: both events are situational. Just as Maul is known for his mastery of the saberstaff, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t skilled fighting with a single blade; Sidious is a master of the single lightsaber but is also skilled enough to use two when the situation calls for it. In Revenge of the Sith (the novel, specifically) it describes how Palpatine finally reveals his lightsaber that has been hiding in one of his statues for decades. This points to the idea that Darth Sidious has at least two back up lightsabers (the weapons that he used against Maul and Savage), with the Sith lightsaber hidden for decades being his first lightsaber and likely the one he has the closest connection with. In Son of Dathomir he again wields one of his backup lightsabers, so I wonder if he keeps one stored away on the Sith Infiltrator seen in that comic and the other he keeps on his person or hidden in his private quarters on Coruscant. Or did one of his backup lightsabers get destroyed at some point? It would have been interesting to see Maul destroy one of the lightsabers in their duel, forcing Sidious to stop playing and subdue his former apprentice with Force lightning. One final question I would ask is this: did Palpatine have any of his backup lightsabers with him when he was being held prisoner onboard the Invisible Hand and would he have used it if things hadn’t gone to plan?
He only used one blade cuase in original script he was supposed using ankin light saber that he stole from him. Ankin was supposed orginal but reshot it and that if look some of scene palpatine is using ankin light sabe not his own
Against Maul and his brother, he was playing with his food. Against the Jedi, he knew his strength was in the force and that he only really needed a single blade for defense and any opportunities that might happen.
My theory is kind of the opposite. He doesn't exactly hide his disdain for widespread lightsaber use. As his was generally decorative and used more so for decor. He believes a lot more heavily in sith sorcery. And he makes this pretty obvious when discussing grevios. So for him to use multiple lightsabers considering his beliefs would be more of a insult to his opponent. It would be like saying I don't respect you at all. Plus I'm pretty sure he had some fair warning beforehand. Anakin didn't exactly make his disdain for what he told him a secret. If anything he was probably confused becouse anakin had zero proof of what he said. Which makes me belive that windu was already catching wind of this and just needed a reason to publicly confront him. And having another jedi master confine that in him seemed to be the perfect chance.
Jedi and sith are always more fantastic in clone wars shows . That’s how you get live action cad bane standing around no jet pack . If the kenobi show had been a clone wars style show cartoon cgi well besides getting it live it would have been a lot crazier . Two lightsabers just comes down to the cartoon vs the movie . If the clone wars did the windu vs sidius fight building would have exploded
Well, the answer that was before Filoni's taint is that he had 2 Lightsabers only. The one in the statue was in that statue for Decades. The other was a holdout. This is CONFIRMED in the Novelization. The whole scene between the Masters was different in the Novel. This is NEVER clarified in these videos. I like the channel, but wish you did more clarifications. He sensed the Jedi coming, he sensed their scuffle with the Red Guards. He sensed it ALL. And in the novel, he set the Jedi up PERFECTLY. Killing 2 of them before he even got out of the chair.
Think about it. In his duel with The masters Sheev uses one lightsaber and then it was thrown outside the window. But later with his duel with Yoda he has the same saber. This means that Palpatine knew that he would face both Yoda and Windu probably not at the same time, so he decided to keep each one for these two different occasions. However in his duel with Maul and Savage he knew that they had more than one blade and knew that he would face his former apprentice Darth Maul and the former apprentice of Dooku Savagem
I love palpatine and I don't know why. I know I love his lightsaber style vs everyone else's, but he just has an aura of nothing matters around him. Like who else just walks into a room with a hood and and 1/2 a second later has 2 lightsabers through everyone in the room aaaand 9/10 has shocked the shit out of someone with lightning.
My theory was Palpatine was a little concerned fighting 2 very aggressive offensive duelist with 1 lightsaber opposed to 4 with rather controlled and not aggressive dueling styles. Well until he knew Mace Windu.
So I agree with the observation that it was double bladed lightsabers he was encountering in that situation but also the fact that he was dealing with Sith and not Jedi this are very aggressive typically which means you get better probability of both striking at the same time whereas the Jedi mentality was a bit more passive and not violent / aggressive so the probability of being straight from two different fronts at the single time was much less probable whereas like I said dealing with the Sith being more aggressive it would be more ideal to be able to address the encounter on two separate fronts as long as your situationally aware enough to do so that's just my 10 cents on it because I prefer dual wield combat myself being somewhat ambidextrous but I also trained single-handed as well but like many people talk about he wasn't a fan of lightsabers even though he was pretty okay at it so it would make sense for him to typically avoid using one let alone two using cheap Force tricks to get the upper hand on Yoda rather than going toe-toe with a saber
My theory was he felt bad he didnt get to end obi wans girlfriend satine and decided tk get back a maul by killing savage. He knew he could end them both quickly if he wanted to but he liked showing off his blade skills. 🤣🤣🤣
by sidious perspective he was going against a maul he trained specifically for fighting and a second maul on steroids, he also probably assumed they both used double bladed lightsabers
Sidious knew the Jedi were coming as he'd JUST told Anakin that he was Darth Sidious. Him looking at the Death Star plans openly even while the Jedi were arriving symbolizes that he KNEW his victory was assured. That's why I'll never buy that Windu legit won that fight. I'll even go as far as to say that Palpatine was the one who maneuvered that fight toward the ledge because he'd already seen what would transpire. Lucas said that Windu won for Sam Jackson's benefit. Jackson was extremely invested in the character of Mace Windu and George probably didn't want to alienate him in case he needed him to reprise the role some day. I believe Sidious almost always KNEW exactly how everything was going to turn out. "Everything that has transpired has done so according to MY DESIGN." Remember the shift in the force that he and Plagueis had perpetrated. It blinded the Jedi while the Sith could see clearly. I believe this is also how Palps knew that Savage would have a double bladed saber and that Maul would be wielding two sabers. So he carried one saber in each hand - one hand/saber for each brother - that's totally something Sheev would do just to embarrass his opponents. AND the fact that he could see so deeply into the future was why he only wielded a single saber against the Jedi - because he knew that weapon would need to be sacrificed in order to make Windu and Anakin believe that he'd truly lost the fight. And he was cool with losing it because he knew that ULTIMATELY his true RIVAL was Yoda and he perhaps could not see completely what would happen in his fight with Yoda - or he'd seen more than one outcome for that fight. But the fact that he'd seen a vision of it meant that he would beat Windu and the other Jedi. But whatever vision he'd seen of that Yoda fight - he was probably always wielding a single saber in it. This clear vision is probably why he is ultimately so arrogant and sure in ROTJ that Luke would join him. Just my two cents.
I think I might be the only one here with a different opinion on this matter. As we all know, Darth Bane's Order of Sith Lord's only gets stronger with each new Lord that takes over. Palpatine is the culmination of a 1000 years of this, and as we all know, is the strongest Force user in the galaxy at the time (Anakin had potential, but he wasn't up to Palpatine's level, AT THAT TIME) As is told to us, Sidious had mastered all known 7 forms of lightsaber combat, which wasn't an easy thing to do. Despite what everyone has said here, I believe that he just wouldn't dual wield lightsabers in combat. Remember what we are told about him. Plaguies tells him that he's arrogant and ambitious. He dreams big, and know no limits to what he can achieve. He's arrogant, as can be seen when boasting to Yoda during their fight in the Senate chambers. The guy even hid his own force signature and posed as the Chancellor of the Galactic Republic. If this ain't boasting then I don't know what is. On top of this, Sidious is also disdainful of lightsaber combat in general, believing that the Sith have outgrown the need for lightsabers in general (again, another boastful, arrogant claim). He tells Vader, and I'm quoting here, They would use these weapons "if only to humiliate the Jedi." Taking all this into account, and looking at the facts that we are presented with, I believe that he only fought with a single lightsaber in combat. While I do believe he had a second lightsaber squirreled away as a just in case (and that's a very big just in case) Sidious went up against Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin, managing to kill the latter three in mere seconds. In conclusion, Sidious doesn't need to dual wield lightsaber at all, he's arrogant enough to believe he can beat everyone, even Yoda, and he can back up his claim too... (Jedi Master Fillet anyone?) For them to show him dual wielding is an insult to Sidious's entire character, it goes against everything he stands for. This is the only thing from the Clone Wars series that I hate with a passion. This is my opinion.
It's also a good metaphor on how during the Clone Wars, Sidious used the rule of two (two lightsabers) to gain power in the Republic using Dooku as a proxy. After Dooku's death, Sidious at that moment during his attempted arrest didn't have an apprentice, hence the one lightsaber used to duel Windu. Remember Anakin wasn't accepted as an apprentice yet, and Maul is pretty much a loose end. It's not canon in any way, but it's funny when you see it from a different point of view.
He had a second lightsaber on him. But he didn’t need it during the battle with the Jedi masters, seeing how fast he disposed of them. After that it was a 1 on 1 fight and he could continue using a single blade.
For a sith, a lightsaber isn't really anything more than an insult to the Jedi.. they're trained to use the Jedis proclivity for using lightsabers as a crutch against them. Sith don't need no stinking lightsabers... See those little gold trim accents on his lightsabers, those are a huge f*** you to the Jedi. Imagine someone putting a BLM sticker on an M16 used to kill kamau bell, it's THAT much of a diss.
Sidius trained Maul to fight Jedi. Jedi usually use single swords. So Sidius used the style, which Maul wasn't as experienced in countering. Sidius just knew, what he teached Maul. And wasn't Sudius a true fan of single saber, like Duku? If so, this was his main and strongest technique. And that is why he used single light saber, may be?
There was no need to rush and that´s why he killed 3 of them in just a few seconds? I think it has more to do with Filoni wanting to show Sidious in a new light. We had already seen him with one lightsaber so in order to make the fight against the brothers special they gave him two. If Sidious had more respect for 2 sith assassins than 4 jedi masters that would make him a fool. And he was no fool. Let´s imagine if Windu´s team approached Sidious in an animation and not live action, it would have been a 10 minute fight with Sidious being overwhelmed until Anakin arrived and decided to aid him. The fact that Sidious managed to kill 3 jedi masters in seconds has to do with practical and monetary reasons while shooting the movie, not something that could ever be explained properly in-universe. Stunned by his Force Scream? Well, then they clearly weren´t masters in the Force. Truth be told all 4 of them would have been able to hold their own against the dark lord, it might not even have been him being overwhelmed but killed in seconds if the scene was handled with more consideration. I mean, how do you defend against 4 incoming attacks while also trying to attack? Just no. This thing about sith being 10 times more powerful than jedi is bogus, the era of Bane just added secrecy, not power. Or are we to believe that the Force would balance it out to make 2 sith as powerful as thousands of jedi? That´s silly. At the most it would have given them an edge but nothing close to mopping the floor with council members.
If Jar Jar Binks fought against Sidious and run to help deadly injured friend he could accidently acctivated his lightsaber and cut in half Sidious by runing next to him and he wouldn’t sensed that „siodiously” attack🤣. But seriouslly there wasn’t any room to fight freely wielding two lightsabers, besides those Jedi were too close each other so they should attack at once to Palpatine and one of them would could kill him even If he could kill some of them before Skylwaker arrives.
I agree about, Sidious being caught off-guard in his office, about the fight with, Maul and his brother, I figured he (Sidious) wanted a second saber to shore-up his defensive abilities. He knew that going against two Sith would mean his opponents would be naturally inclined to be aggressive and try to over-whelm with attacks. Knowing this, Sidious, the tactician he was thought it a good idea to forgo a lil of his offense in favor of defense and his mastery of the force. Against the Jedi I do think he was caught off-guard by their arrival, but he probably would have opt'd for a single blade anyways. Jedi tend to be more defensive in their fighting styles and he wanted to cut them down as quickly as possible with a flurry after is initial stunning shout and so he used a two-handed style for shear power in his strikes. I believe the only reason that, Windu recovered as quickly from the shout as he did was because of, Vapaad. Since he is usually in that form he probably gains a bit of a mind-set from it and partly countered the power.
I do not agree with the second theory. Maul and Savage were not capable of defeating Obi-Wan in a 2-on-1 fight, how could Sidious treat them more seriously than a group of Jedi masters? My idea is that he used only one blade on purpose. He had to fake that he was defeated by Windu in order to force Anakin to make the ultimate choice. The other saber is a safeguard, a safeguard in case Anakin didn't helped him.
I have to semi off topic comment. I feel as though the choreography and fight in his office is weak. The pace is slow and almost sloppy. I feel as though they are so concerned with making a movie a specific length, they seem to just have wanted to wipe out anyone who wasn't "script" important. I.e. fisto and the others. Simply to get to windu duel. Just sad to see 3 masters on council just get like plastic Saber swiped and ughhh dead. Maybe just me lol. Love the vids.
First theory is Erroneous. According to the novelization of revenge of the sith, Palpatine/sidious “When he began his political career, he concealed this lightsaber within a neuranium statue of Sistros, having the piece fabricated around his lightsaber. The weapon remained hidden within the statue for at least two decades, waiting until Palpatine needed it. During this period, the Sith Lord was forced to use back-up weapons when he needed to wield a lightsaber. On one occasion, he even needed to wield his Master's lightsaber in conjunction of his own weapon. At another point he created a second lightsaber as a backup weapon” He knew the Jedi masters were coming. Hence why he ignited the weapon a short time before the masters came to arrest him.
Uh, you got the scene where Sidious had the Death Star plans mixed up. He was looking at that when Anakin showed up. He knew the coucil were coming as he reached out to Anakin and said 'if the Jedi destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost.' He chose to only use one lightsaber against them obviously. Yeah, he probably thought the fellow dark users were a greater threat as he looked down on the light side.
I strongly doubt that Sidious was taken by surprise at the Jedi Masters arriving at his office. Some time before, he revealed his Sith identity to Anakin who said he would go tell the Jedi council. Surely Sidious assumed there was a chance that Anakin would actually do so (as he did) and that the Jedi would come for him!
He held two sabers against Maul and Opress probably because the last one used a double bladed lightsaber. Fighting against that plus another single blade swordsman (Maul) with a single lightsaber might not be "optimal". I guess he had used just one sabre if Savage would have used a single blade.
Again Il make things simple lol 😂, I always thought that Emp was just so powerful in the force , he empowered himself to silly lvls in a duel. Of course he was a master , but we all know it’s his crazy force skills that made him op
As not many force users have mastered using 2 lightsabers to its max it could be that the reason Sidious chose only to use 1 was because he needed his full concentration knowing that Windu and Yoda were both extremely powerful duellists…my guess would be if he had duelled Dooku it would be the same he would have used only 1 lightsaber putting his full concentration into the 1 blade…when maul and savage were attempting to strike Sidious their intention was clearly to take him out as soon as where Windu was focussing on technique and if Sidious was holding a lightsaber with only 1 hand he would have quite quickly been disarmed early on by Windu
Funny; considers Maul a rival because broke rule of two. Lord Momin was very annoyed by sidious because broke rule of two, hid stuff about the sith from vader, he focused on jedi
He definitely only had 1 blade for the masters cuz he wanted to flex his power to Windu and 2 for the Sith Lords cuz he didn’t know what to expect out of maul because it’s been over 10 years since he even talked to him
Imo the maul and sidious fight was the best In the clone wars followed up by maul and Ashoka. Crazy how maul had barely any screen time in phantom menace and now he’s one of the most savage Star Wars character ever imo
My thoughts on why he would sometimes duel with two lightsabers was along the lines of when he has to get serious. I generally don’t believe he was afraid of either of the two brothers before, during, or after the duel and much rather has himself very composed basing off of how flawless he made his moves look when operating with two lightsabers. If anything I kind of see his need for the second saber arising not only as a back up should he lose or misplace his original but for scenarios such as when he is overwhelmed, has grown weary or tiresome of his opponent(s), and or is bored/annoyed (We do know he has his fun at times but after a certain amount of time and toying he gets down to business one way or another). Another reason why I always saw it like this was because normally he was powerful enough to take down anyone he wished very readily and quickly, only requiring his second lightsaber or relying on his force abilities should he truly need them such as when he needs to show the galaxy who the true with lord is.
except windu beat him. Also Sidious is the most stupidly written character ever. In all reality, as written, why would anyone choose to be a jedi when almost anyone can kill them easily.
If anakin hadnt turned up mace had palpatine by the balls! Facts, palps had no clue of vaapad and mace himself drew from the dark side while remaining in the light side, he was MORE than a match for palpatine
would be dope had palpatine unleashed hell and use the force to take control of the defeated jedi sabers and slash mace wendy up nice and slow but severing his achille's tendons first the push him in to the wall use the sabers again to pin his hands to the wall then a little shock n awe on for screams n giggles then force crush maces gonads then force scream lightning breath the foo til he almost dies with a qoute to mace wendy "can you fly macey boy?" chuck him out the window and have the clones bag him and tag him wrap it up order execute 66 with a side of fries ba da, da daaaa im luvn it
You say it's the last likely but I think the 1 theory is actually the most likely. The idea that he was in no rush so he only used one Saber, directly contradicts the speed and method he used to kill those 4 jedi. Sidious is the epitome of the unreliable narrator, he would never admit to be caught off guard or losing or scared. In hindsight and what he wants the reader to believe is everything always goes exactly how he wanted it to. He fought the brothers with two lightsabers to even the playing field since they both had double sided ones but I don't think he was ever scared of them.
It's amusing how they will say that the Jedi Masters who came with Windu were supposedly some of the best if not the best fighters and strongest in the Jedi Order and yet they were cut down within seconds of confronting Palpatine. Yeah sorm great Jedi tgey were.
I figured he brought out a second one just to flex on Maul and Oppress. When you get to Palpatine's level you don't even gotta bring your A game so he did a style he rarely uses.
It may also be that in the duel with the brothers he may have aimed to crush and demoralise them. With the Jedi masters id imagine he was ready and open to being engaged by the jedi. Using a single light saber is a symbol of his belief in himself being above the masters, showing off his elegance and prowess in light saber combat. Besting an opponent out manned and out gunned shows how little he regarded the jedi as a whole. With the brothers, may be that he wanted to show how truely out matched they are with pure ferocity and ruthlessness. Taking off the kiddy gloves so to speak
The real reason is that Palpatine loses his lightsaber in the mace windu fight, and then has a second lightsaber in the Yoda fight. That's why in TCW hes shown with 2 lightsabers.
Also he didn’t have the element of surprise vs maul so maybe that’s why he brought two. The Jedi didn’t expect him to be so fast so he knew he would have an advantage from the start therefore didn’t need two
I really wish there could be a scenario where ancient Sith and Jedi somehow go into the future and there just be an all out war with Sith and Jedi fighting each other and have Sith have some in fighting as well and see how Sidious would handle them. I just wanna see him fight more and have more formidable opponents to face.
when it comes to palpatine's dual with Mace windu I think palpatine was expecting them because just before that he revealed to Anakin that he was the dark lord of the Sith so the gig was up he knew Anakin was going to tell and he knew Anakin would eventually be his apprentice. since the gig was up he didn't have to be as careful which is why he may have been looking at the Death Star plans at that particular time while expecting trouble to show.
It is a fair point that having two swords in real sword fights is generally just not as effective as one. Two swords can be useful against multiple opponents but palp dealt with the other so quickly it was probably just better of use the one blade to its full potential.
I figure he knew Maul and Oppress both had double bladed sabers so he used two. He knew whatever Jedi came for him would be wielding single blades.
Exactly and to block/parry/attack effectively he simply needed both of them. I also think he used one blade to disrespect the Jedi and show his superiority over them. Now if Yoda, and Obi also joined Mace and the others they would have gotten the second blade.
Like how maul switched from one to two against obi wan and qui gon
If Yoda was there, Sidious probably would have gotten bodied. No way he was fighting both Yoda and Windu at the same time.
@@MultiArchangel I agree. My initial point was that Sidious would have respected them enough for him to use both light sabers instead of just one.
Also I’m guessing using two blades would require significantly more space to wield effectively, space that was somewhat limited compared with the throne room on Mandalore.
My guess is that he had the two blades when he was up against Maul, not because he was better with two blades, but because he *wasn't.* Watching that fight, it's obvious that he's stunting from minute 1. If he was worried they might actually harm him, he would have started the fight with his biggest weapon: lightning. That he almost killed them both with a Force Push said everything he needed to know, so he then went into melee with a dual blade style entirely to "play with his food" as it were, showing off with pointless flash and still dominating the brothers without any real effort. He knew he could kill them whenever he wanted to. They knew he could kill them whenever he wanted to. Literally the only shot they even had was to go in melee and pray they got in a lucky hit against Sidious. He fought like that to humor them, to give them a taste of hope before he turned it into acid and despair.
With Windu and Yoda, though, he'd have to take things _much_ more seriously.
You're 100% right. Irl fighting with 2 weapons isn't per say bad but unorthodox. You don't gain that much of an advantage using 2 weapons if any at all in certain situations. It's just one more thing to focus on in the fight. By dual wielding he is essentially showing them how much better he is.
It is still debatable if he lost the duel with Windu intentionally or not.
Yoda and Windu were the only times he ever took a duel serious. He knew they could beat him through skill.
@@bizmasterTheSlavGeorge Lucas says windu won fair and square. Windu won fair and square.
@@ItsBellers the same Lucas that often flip flops on what happens in the story? Besides even if that was true, windu won the fight cause sidious let him win loll.
It was a small space, two weapons require a lot of extra room to be most effective and can be a liability in that situation.
I had that same thought too, especially given the way in which he uses them on Mandalore. The only way he’d get away with using two would be a more grounded Makashi style of fighting.
exactly, and fighting master windu and master yoda, it was almost like you could see that he felt there wasn’t enough space so he was wielding it very close to him
That’s my thought also
I've always held the belief that if Mace and Palpatine had kept up the fight (without Anakin showing up) Mace would have eventually killed Palpatine, due to using a variation of lightsaber combat that Palpatine had no knowledge of. Windu invented Vaapad, so Palpatine had no way of knowing it. I think that in reality, he actually underestimated Windu. Windu also had a few force abilities that Palpatine didn't have like shatterpoint, and he was using Palpatine's darkness to boost his lightsaber technique. But idk if this is canon anymore because it's based on the Episode 3 novelization
But Palpatine already had him defeated before Skywalker arrived. There is a moment where Palpatine had his saber pointed at Windu's chest and just didn't end it. You can see the surprise and confusion on Windu's face at that moment. Palpatine was waiting for Anakin to arrive. He threw the fight so he could force Anakin to choose. Windu never had a chance, ever.
@@darthoblivion2615 it’s already been stated the windu beat sidious fair and square. Sidious was generally fearing for his life. Also sidious having his blade pointed at windu doesn’t mean he won. force users are very fast
@@darthoblivion2615 that wasn't suprise and confusion. And Palpatine missed the killing blow.
@@darthoblivion2615 Windu is a bad match up for old man palp. I don't think he was playing opossum at all. He was going all out. Windu just had the right style to beat him. You see this in combat sports all the time. The better fighter doesn't always win, it's about the match up.
Nah, it was stated that windu would’ve won
I feel like you can’t say that the arrival of the Jedi in his office caught him off guard, after Anakin literally has him at sword point and tells him he’s going to turn him in… if he wasn’t expecting the Jedi to show up after that conversation he’s an idiot. It always seemed to me that he was ready and waiting for them. In the books he was also recording the conversation making it look like the Jedi were guilty of treason. I believe already in The Revenge of the Sith his 2nd lightsaber was cannon, maybe he should have used it since if Anakin hadn’t shown up it looks like Mace had that fight. Thanks for the video
I agree, i think he used one against the jedis to humiliate them he wanted to prove that he was far superior to them.
Of course he knew they would come. He studied the plans of the death star and preparef himself for a meeting with the IBC. So Palpatine was sure he win this and he know he would turn anakin to the dark side, otherwise his behavior would make no sense.
Disney is not canon
@@jeffbrownstain Relevance lol?
@@bolg892 Disney is not canon
I feel the reverse is true
He took his time, and played with Maul and his brother. He rushed to kill the Jedi, both to reduce their number, and to throw it in their face how quickly one Sith could decimate a *team* of Jedi masters, _on the council_
0:55 I just now noticed how Maul uses form 3(or at least, the stance), meaning he doesn't believe he can beat Palpatine în direct combat, even with his brother's help, and is going to play defense and hope to find an opening(or am I just imagining it?)
Mauls IQ is underrated I never noticed that. He’s quite talented indeed.
My theory is Palpatine was toying with Maul and Savage.
It was like a boxing match, where he out on his gloves (the lightsaber he took on four jedi) because he saw it as a well coordinated move.
With Maul and Savage however, he pulls out two, and the gloves came off. He did it not out of hubris, but to remind his apprentice how outmatched he is in terms of lightsaber combat. Palpatine obviously relished this fight, cutting loose amd going as all out as he wanted against his former apprentice. All to send a message to put Maul in his place... under Palpatine's heel.
It’s not a theory! It is clear that sidious is playing with them. They are powerfull but they are not match for the true one sith lord.
Sidious was litteraly toying with them. He kill savage first just to make maul souffert. Them he tortured maul with lightning
Maul was actually doing pretty decent even Sidious himself had to keep using the force on him because Maul was keeping up with the lightsaber hits, but him and Savage both did better than the first 3 Jedi killed in episode 3
Wrong. Palps was playing with them at first. Savage was always a burden to Maul. You can see it when he was fighting Obi wan. Maul kept on defending Savage. The moment he got hurt maul hurled kenobi pretty far away. When it was Maul vs Palp one on one you can see it that palps actually starting taking him serious. Heck Maul was able to kick Sidious in the face when dueling. Only Mace Windu was able to kick him. I for one believe whenever palps starts struggling with lightsabers he starts using the force. It was stated in books that palps started using the force because he knew If his fight with Yoda dragged on he’d lose the duel. Maybe he wouldn’t have lost a duel with maul but he sure didn’t wanna keep dueling him. Remember maul has beaten palps before when he was starving for a month and and no sleep. Maul was not just a killing machine. Palps had actually planned to keep maul as his apprentice.
its like when you play a different spec when youre running thru low level shit, just to practiice lol.
@@EclypsiFire George Lucas has already ended this debate. Windu won that duel. Stop wasting people's time.
The true answer is they cannot make it look good in live action but an animation they can make it look amazing
Exactly!
What about episode two anakin had the coolest moment
That scene in the clone wars when he dueled savage and maul was epic
I can't help but disagree with majority of these. For starters, l just have to point out the fact that phalpatine was NOT looking at the death star plans when the Jedi came in, he was when Anakin came in alone. Anakin also told phalpatine, in their discussion, that he was going to turn him over, so he expected the Jedi to come. This is further supported when he talked through the force to Anakin when he was in the temple waiting. "You do know, don't you... If they destroy me, any hope of saving padme will be lost.".
Moving on, I don't believe phalpatine feared savage at all. Savage was weaker than maul (although perhaps the Jedi and hence phalpatine's source of knowledge were not aware of this), proven through mauls dominance over him. Fact is, savage was no duelist expert, featuring heavy blows and semi- adequate force abilities, given to him through the night sisters, not neccesarily inherant. Now many could argue this, but let's leave the lore aside and not think too deep about the force, it's a can of worms.
As far as your theory about phalpatine "playing" with the Jedi for lack of better term, as far as not being on a time crunch, I believe that is a fully plausible theory, probably my favorite.
There is another comment in here that references space, as two lightsaber to properly wield requires room, something the Chancellor's office isn't overly abundant in.
The fact is Darth Sidious has only ever used two lightsabers in any sort of fight or duel *once*
In any other situation he has only ever used a single lightsaber:
- blaster selection training on Hypori
- assassination of the Grand Proctectorate
- duel against Mother Talzin
- duel against Windu and the other 3 Jedi Masters
- duel against Yoda
- during the Mission to Ryloth
- while he never used it himself, Rahm Kota force pulled the lightsaber from Sidious’ sleeve as he charged at him onboard the first Death Star
I most liked Palpatine's "death augur" as he launches himself at the master Jedi in his office. In fact, I think he should have flown around the room and augured all of them for the entire fight, even chasing Kit Fisto and Mace Windu up and down the hall as a Sith drill.
I've never read the word augur used as a verb. Learn something new everyday
The old "Raiden" move
"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
I get the feeling that in revenge of the sith palpatine may have actually had his second lightsaber on him but only used the one
To further insult the Jedi right? Palps is a hater first and Sith Lord second
I’d like to think Sidious knew Maul was dangerous and unpredictable, and Talzin trained Savage in the same manner, so that’s why Sidious had both of his lightsabers; he could manipulate the Jedi to his advantage, so he only needed the one.
For me personally, I think he simply had some fun with Maul and Savage. To be fair I think Maul actually did well blade wise but force wise was no match. When it comes to Windu I think he may have under estimated him. He struck down all of them. Windy said hold my beer and went toe to toe. Anakin (rightly so for story sake) saved Sideous. In fact I think if Yoda and Windu confronted Sideous (of course Yoda was on Kashyyk) would have lost easily. Yoda technically best him in blade to blade. Force powers Yoda matched but couldn't over power in. So many what ifs. As it stands Sideous clapped cheeks.
My original assumption was him using 0-2 lightsaber depended on how hard he wanted to flex a L/insult his enemies.
For maul and oppress they used double blades. So him using 2 was to show them how much better he is.
Same with the Jedi council, he used 1 because most Jedi only used 1.
Honestly, Palpatine's lightsaber style in The Clone Wars is beautiful. He's a perfect combination of savagery (scarring the floor, aggressive moves) and flashy grace (very acrobatic and flowing movements, blocking behind himself).
No one else in the whole series fights like he does, even other dual wielders. He makes everyone else look like amateurs.
What about star killer?
@@crackerjack9916 Star Killer isn't in the Clone Wars. But yeah his fighting style is awesome too, but it lacks the fluid grace of Palps
Palpatine's style is like a combination of Anakin's and Dooku's , powerful strikes and acrobatic while being elegant, which is ironic considering that the 2 is his last 2 apprentice too
@@davidkosiba624 Where do you see Anakin and Dooku being acrobatic? Neither of their lightsaber forms are acrobatic; actually, both forms 2 and 5 avoid or lack it. If you want acrobatic, look to Yoda, a master of form 4.
Pretty sure Palpatine and Obi-Wan were the greatest duelists of their generation.
It is almost the inverse of Darth Maul using a single blade of his saberstaff: both events are situational. Just as Maul is known for his mastery of the saberstaff, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t skilled fighting with a single blade; Sidious is a master of the single lightsaber but is also skilled enough to use two when the situation calls for it.
In Revenge of the Sith (the novel, specifically) it describes how Palpatine finally reveals his lightsaber that has been hiding in one of his statues for decades. This points to the idea that Darth Sidious has at least two back up lightsabers (the weapons that he used against Maul and Savage), with the Sith lightsaber hidden for decades being his first lightsaber and likely the one he has the closest connection with.
In Son of Dathomir he again wields one of his backup lightsabers, so I wonder if he keeps one stored away on the Sith Infiltrator seen in that comic and the other he keeps on his person or hidden in his private quarters on Coruscant.
Or did one of his backup lightsabers get destroyed at some point? It would have been interesting to see Maul destroy one of the lightsabers in their duel, forcing Sidious to stop playing and subdue his former apprentice with Force lightning.
One final question I would ask is this: did Palpatine have any of his backup lightsabers with him when he was being held prisoner onboard the Invisible Hand and would he have used it if things hadn’t gone to plan?
I think he just used 2 sabers for the thrill that one time ever other time he hasn’t so it’s safe to say he doesn’t
When did Luke first learn of the sith ? He was familiar with the dark side but when did he learn of the Sith ?
@@damaskholdings9140 I know the outside-universe reason;I was speaking about the in-universe reason.
I figured it was because of Kit Fisto
He only used one blade cuase in original script he was supposed using ankin light saber that he stole from him. Ankin was supposed orginal but reshot it and that if look some of scene palpatine is using ankin light sabe not his own
He feared Maul and Oppress?? He has a legion of forces under his command and he went their solo, if he was afraid of them he wouldn't have done that.
Against Maul and his brother, he was playing with his food.
Against the Jedi, he knew his strength was in the force and that he only really needed a single blade for defense and any opportunities that might happen.
Sithlord don’t use lightsaber or any weapons the force is they weapon
I love that, a lot of ships that have passed our dock haven’t landed or something that was cool
Did the Force Scream work against Windu? Why not?
My theory is kind of the opposite. He doesn't exactly hide his disdain for widespread lightsaber use. As his was generally decorative and used more so for decor. He believes a lot more heavily in sith sorcery. And he makes this pretty obvious when discussing grevios. So for him to use multiple lightsabers considering his beliefs would be more of a insult to his opponent. It would be like saying I don't respect you at all. Plus I'm pretty sure he had some fair warning beforehand. Anakin didn't exactly make his disdain for what he told him a secret. If anything he was probably confused becouse anakin had zero proof of what he said. Which makes me belive that windu was already catching wind of this and just needed a reason to publicly confront him. And having another jedi master confine that in him seemed to be the perfect chance.
Good thing he had his spare when Yoda came to confront him.
Jedi and sith are always more fantastic in clone wars shows . That’s how you get live action cad bane standing around no jet pack . If the kenobi show had been a clone wars style show cartoon cgi well besides getting it live it would have been a lot crazier . Two lightsabers just comes down to the cartoon vs the movie . If the clone wars did the windu vs sidius fight building would have exploded
What
Cad had rocket boots, not a jet pack
That’s true but he was flying around just as good
He wanted Anakin to get to the fight and make a choice. Had he had 2 he would have beat mace windu
He still wouldn't win with 2
Well, the answer that was before Filoni's taint is that he had 2 Lightsabers only. The one in the statue was in that statue for Decades. The other was a holdout. This is CONFIRMED in the Novelization. The whole scene between the Masters was different in the Novel. This is NEVER clarified in these videos. I like the channel, but wish you did more clarifications.
He sensed the Jedi coming, he sensed their scuffle with the Red Guards. He sensed it ALL. And in the novel, he set the Jedi up PERFECTLY. Killing 2 of them before he even got out of the chair.
Think about it. In his duel with The masters Sheev uses one lightsaber and then it was thrown outside the window. But later with his duel with Yoda he has the same saber. This means that Palpatine knew that he would face both Yoda and Windu probably not at the same time, so he decided to keep each one for these two different occasions. However in his duel with Maul and Savage he knew that they had more than one blade and knew that he would face his former apprentice Darth Maul and the former apprentice of Dooku Savagem
I love palpatine and I don't know why. I know I love his lightsaber style vs everyone else's, but he just has an aura of nothing matters around him. Like who else just walks into a room with a hood and and 1/2 a second later has 2 lightsabers through everyone in the room aaaand 9/10 has shocked the shit out of someone with lightning.
My theory was Palpatine was a little concerned fighting 2 very aggressive offensive duelist with 1 lightsaber opposed to 4 with rather controlled and not aggressive dueling styles. Well until he knew Mace Windu.
Sidious mid - diffs vitiate.
After the rule of 2 was establish I wonder how many time there where "rivals" among the siths, It would make for interesting lore to explore.
So I agree with the observation that it was double bladed lightsabers he was encountering in that situation but also the fact that he was dealing with Sith and not Jedi this are very aggressive typically which means you get better probability of both striking at the same time whereas the Jedi mentality was a bit more passive and not violent / aggressive so the probability of being straight from two different fronts at the single time was much less probable whereas like I said dealing with the Sith being more aggressive it would be more ideal to be able to address the encounter on two separate fronts as long as your situationally aware enough to do so that's just my 10 cents on it because I prefer dual wield combat myself being somewhat ambidextrous but I also trained single-handed as well but like many people talk about he wasn't a fan of lightsabers even though he was pretty okay at it so it would make sense for him to typically avoid using one let alone two using cheap Force tricks to get the upper hand on Yoda rather than going toe-toe with a saber
My theory was he felt bad he didnt get to end obi wans girlfriend satine and decided tk get back a maul by killing savage. He knew he could end them both quickly if he wanted to but he liked showing off his blade skills. 🤣🤣🤣
by sidious perspective he was going against a maul he trained specifically for fighting and a second maul on steroids, he also probably assumed they both used double bladed lightsabers
Sidious knew the Jedi were coming as he'd JUST told Anakin that he was Darth Sidious. Him looking at the Death Star plans openly even while the Jedi were arriving symbolizes that he KNEW his victory was assured. That's why I'll never buy that Windu legit won that fight. I'll even go as far as to say that Palpatine was the one who maneuvered that fight toward the ledge because he'd already seen what would transpire. Lucas said that Windu won for Sam Jackson's benefit. Jackson was extremely invested in the character of Mace Windu and George probably didn't want to alienate him in case he needed him to reprise the role some day. I believe Sidious almost always KNEW exactly how everything was going to turn out. "Everything that has transpired has done so according to MY DESIGN." Remember the shift in the force that he and Plagueis had perpetrated. It blinded the Jedi while the Sith could see clearly. I believe this is also how Palps knew that Savage would have a double bladed saber and that Maul would be wielding two sabers. So he carried one saber in each hand - one hand/saber for each brother - that's totally something Sheev would do just to embarrass his opponents. AND the fact that he could see so deeply into the future was why he only wielded a single saber against the Jedi - because he knew that weapon would need to be sacrificed in order to make Windu and Anakin believe that he'd truly lost the fight. And he was cool with losing it because he knew that ULTIMATELY his true RIVAL was Yoda and he perhaps could not see completely what would happen in his fight with Yoda - or he'd seen more than one outcome for that fight. But the fact that he'd seen a vision of it meant that he would beat Windu and the other Jedi. But whatever vision he'd seen of that Yoda fight - he was probably always wielding a single saber in it. This clear vision is probably why he is ultimately so arrogant and sure in ROTJ that Luke would join him. Just my two cents.
I think I might be the only one here with a different opinion on this matter.
As we all know, Darth Bane's Order of Sith Lord's only gets stronger with each new Lord that takes over. Palpatine is the culmination of a 1000 years of this, and as we all know, is the strongest Force user in the galaxy at the time (Anakin had potential, but he wasn't up to Palpatine's level, AT THAT TIME)
As is told to us, Sidious had mastered all known 7 forms of lightsaber combat, which wasn't an easy thing to do. Despite what everyone has said here, I believe that he just wouldn't dual wield lightsabers in combat. Remember what we are told about him. Plaguies tells him that he's arrogant and ambitious. He dreams big, and know no limits to what he can achieve. He's arrogant, as can be seen when boasting to Yoda during their fight in the Senate chambers.
The guy even hid his own force signature and posed as the Chancellor of the Galactic Republic. If this ain't boasting then I don't know what is. On top of this, Sidious is also disdainful of lightsaber combat in general, believing that the Sith have outgrown the need for lightsabers in general (again, another boastful, arrogant claim). He tells Vader, and I'm quoting here, They would use these weapons "if only to humiliate the Jedi."
Taking all this into account, and looking at the facts that we are presented with, I believe that he only fought with a single lightsaber in combat. While I do believe he had a second lightsaber squirreled away as a just in case (and that's a very big just in case) Sidious went up against Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin, managing to kill the latter three in mere seconds.
In conclusion, Sidious doesn't need to dual wield lightsaber at all, he's arrogant enough to believe he can beat everyone, even Yoda, and he can back up his claim too... (Jedi Master Fillet anyone?) For them to show him dual wielding is an insult to Sidious's entire character, it goes against everything he stands for.
This is the only thing from the Clone Wars series that I hate with a passion.
This is my opinion.
It's also a good metaphor on how during the Clone Wars, Sidious used the rule of two (two lightsabers) to gain power in the Republic using Dooku as a proxy. After Dooku's death, Sidious at that moment during his attempted arrest didn't have an apprentice, hence the one lightsaber used to duel Windu. Remember Anakin wasn't accepted as an apprentice yet, and Maul is pretty much a loose end. It's not canon in any way, but it's funny when you see it from a different point of view.
Interesting theory......
However, you've been talking with old Ben again, haven't you?
You really should keep away from him.
My theory is he switched to one blade after having dooku as a apprentice I imagine they sparred regularly just as obi wan and anakin did
The actor playing Palpatine would have simply found the choreography of using TWO light sabers too cumbersome and probably problematic.
In closed quarter's master windu is greatest FORCE WIELDER OF ALL TIME.
He had a second lightsaber on him. But he didn’t need it during the battle with the Jedi masters, seeing how fast he disposed of them. After that it was a 1 on 1 fight and he could continue using a single blade.
For a sith, a lightsaber isn't really anything more than an insult to the Jedi.. they're trained to use the Jedis proclivity for using lightsabers as a crutch against them. Sith don't need no stinking lightsabers... See those little gold trim accents on his lightsabers, those are a huge f*** you to the Jedi. Imagine someone putting a BLM sticker on an M16 used to kill kamau bell, it's THAT much of a diss.
Sidius trained Maul to fight Jedi. Jedi usually use single swords. So Sidius used the style, which Maul wasn't as experienced in countering. Sidius just knew, what he teached Maul.
And wasn't Sudius a true fan of single saber, like Duku? If so, this was his main and strongest technique. And that is why he used single light saber, may be?
Question? Why does Maul take the Soresu stance before battling Palpatine? 0.56
There was no need to rush and that´s why he killed 3 of them in just a few seconds? I think it has more to do with Filoni wanting to show Sidious in a new light. We had already seen him with one lightsaber so in order to make the fight against the brothers special they gave him two. If Sidious had more respect for 2 sith assassins than 4 jedi masters that would make him a fool. And he was no fool. Let´s imagine if Windu´s team approached Sidious in an animation and not live action, it would have been a 10 minute fight with Sidious being overwhelmed until Anakin arrived and decided to aid him.
The fact that Sidious managed to kill 3 jedi masters in seconds has to do with practical and monetary reasons while shooting the movie, not something that could ever be explained properly in-universe. Stunned by his Force Scream? Well, then they clearly weren´t masters in the Force. Truth be told all 4 of them would have been able to hold their own against the dark lord, it might not even have been him being overwhelmed but killed in seconds if the scene was handled with more consideration. I mean, how do you defend against 4 incoming attacks while also trying to attack? Just no. This thing about sith being 10 times more powerful than jedi is bogus, the era of Bane just added secrecy, not power. Or are we to believe that the Force would balance it out to make 2 sith as powerful as thousands of jedi? That´s silly. At the most it would have given them an edge but nothing close to mopping the floor with council members.
If Jar Jar Binks fought against Sidious and run to help deadly injured friend he could accidently acctivated his lightsaber and cut in half Sidious by runing next to him and he wouldn’t sensed that „siodiously” attack🤣. But seriouslly there wasn’t any room to fight freely wielding two lightsabers, besides those Jedi were too close each other so they should attack at once to Palpatine and one of them would could kill him even If he could kill some of them before Skylwaker arrives.
I agree about, Sidious being caught off-guard in his office, about the fight with, Maul and his brother, I figured he (Sidious) wanted a second saber to shore-up his defensive abilities. He knew that going against two Sith would mean his opponents would be naturally inclined to be aggressive and try to over-whelm with attacks. Knowing this, Sidious, the tactician he was thought it a good idea to forgo a lil of his offense in favor of defense and his mastery of the force.
Against the Jedi I do think he was caught off-guard by their arrival, but he probably would have opt'd for a single blade anyways. Jedi tend to be more defensive in their fighting styles and he wanted to cut them down as quickly as possible with a flurry after is initial stunning shout and so he used a two-handed style for shear power in his strikes.
I believe the only reason that, Windu recovered as quickly from the shout as he did was because of, Vapaad. Since he is usually in that form he probably gains a bit of a mind-set from it and partly countered the power.
I do not agree with the second theory. Maul and Savage were not capable of defeating Obi-Wan in a 2-on-1 fight, how could Sidious treat them more seriously than a group of Jedi masters? My idea is that he used only one blade on purpose. He had to fake that he was defeated by Windu in order to force Anakin to make the ultimate choice. The other saber is a safeguard, a safeguard in case Anakin didn't helped him.
I have to semi off topic comment. I feel as though the choreography and fight in his office is weak. The pace is slow and almost sloppy. I feel as though they are so concerned with making a movie a specific length, they seem to just have wanted to wipe out anyone who wasn't "script" important. I.e. fisto and the others. Simply to get to windu duel. Just sad to see 3 masters on council just get like plastic Saber swiped and ughhh dead. Maybe just me lol. Love the vids.
First theory is Erroneous.
According to the novelization of revenge of the sith, Palpatine/sidious “When he began his political career, he concealed this lightsaber within a neuranium statue of Sistros, having the piece fabricated around his lightsaber. The weapon remained hidden within the statue for at least two decades, waiting until Palpatine needed it. During this period, the Sith Lord was forced to use back-up weapons when he needed to wield a lightsaber. On one occasion, he even needed to wield his Master's lightsaber in conjunction of his own weapon. At another point he created a second lightsaber as a backup weapon”
He knew the Jedi masters were coming. Hence why he ignited the weapon a short time before the masters came to arrest him.
Y'all forgetting that maul KNEW WHO HE WAS. He's making sure there are no loose ends. Smart 😊.
Uh, you got the scene where Sidious had the Death Star plans mixed up. He was looking at that when Anakin showed up. He knew the coucil were coming as he reached out to Anakin and said 'if the Jedi destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost.' He chose to only use one lightsaber against them obviously. Yeah, he probably thought the fellow dark users were a greater threat as he looked down on the light side.
I strongly doubt that Sidious was taken by surprise at the Jedi Masters arriving at his office. Some time before, he revealed his Sith identity to Anakin who said he would go tell the Jedi council. Surely Sidious assumed there was a chance that Anakin would actually do so (as he did) and that the Jedi would come for him!
He held two sabers against Maul and Opress probably because the last one used a double bladed lightsaber. Fighting against that plus another single blade swordsman (Maul) with a single lightsaber might not be "optimal". I guess he had used just one sabre if Savage would have used a single blade.
Again Il make things simple lol 😂, I always thought that Emp was just so powerful in the force , he empowered himself to silly lvls in a duel. Of course he was a master , but we all know it’s his crazy force skills that made him op
As not many force users have mastered using 2 lightsabers to its max it could be that the reason Sidious chose only to use 1 was because he needed his full concentration knowing that Windu and Yoda were both extremely powerful duellists…my guess would be if he had duelled Dooku it would be the same he would have used only 1 lightsaber putting his full concentration into the 1 blade…when maul and savage were attempting to strike Sidious their intention was clearly to take him out as soon as where Windu was focussing on technique and if Sidious was holding a lightsaber with only 1 hand he would have quite quickly been disarmed early on by Windu
I love the vids man keep up the great work
Can you try to make something on why he stopped usig a lightsaber in ESB
Funny; considers Maul a rival because broke rule of two. Lord Momin was very annoyed by sidious because broke rule of two, hid stuff about the sith from vader, he focused on jedi
most likely answer: They wanted to fixed the plot whole of Palpatine losing it facing off Windu, but then having it again when facing off with Yoda
He definitely only had 1 blade for the masters cuz he wanted to flex his power to Windu and 2 for the Sith Lords cuz he didn’t know what to expect out of maul because it’s been over 10 years since he even talked to him
Imo the maul and sidious fight was the best In the clone wars followed up by maul and Ashoka. Crazy how maul had barely any screen time in phantom menace and now he’s one of the most savage Star Wars character ever imo
My thoughts on why he would sometimes duel with two lightsabers was along the lines of when he has to get serious.
I generally don’t believe he was afraid of either of the two brothers before, during, or after the duel and much rather has himself very composed basing off of how flawless he made his moves look when operating with two lightsabers.
If anything I kind of see his need for the second saber arising not only as a back up should he lose or misplace his original but for scenarios such as when he is overwhelmed, has grown weary or tiresome of his opponent(s), and or is bored/annoyed (We do know he has his fun at times but after a certain amount of time and toying he gets down to business one way or another).
Another reason why I always saw it like this was because normally he was powerful enough to take down anyone he wished very readily and quickly, only requiring his second lightsaber or relying on his force abilities should he truly need them such as when he needs to show the galaxy who the true with lord is.
except windu beat him. Also Sidious is the most stupidly written character ever. In all reality, as written, why would anyone choose to be a jedi when almost anyone can kill them easily.
If anakin hadnt turned up mace had palpatine by the balls! Facts, palps had no clue of vaapad and mace himself drew from the dark side while remaining in the light side, he was MORE than a match for palpatine
would be dope had palpatine unleashed hell and use the force to take control of the defeated jedi sabers and slash mace wendy up nice and slow but severing his achille's tendons first the push him in to the wall use the sabers again to pin his hands to the wall then a little shock n awe on for screams n giggles then force crush maces gonads then force scream lightning breath the foo til he almost dies with a qoute to mace wendy "can you fly macey boy?" chuck him out the window and have the clones bag him and tag him wrap it up order execute 66 with a side of fries ba da, da daaaa im luvn it
You say it's the last likely but I think the 1 theory is actually the most likely. The idea that he was in no rush so he only used one Saber, directly contradicts the speed and method he used to kill those 4 jedi.
Sidious is the epitome of the unreliable narrator, he would never admit to be caught off guard or losing or scared. In hindsight and what he wants the reader to believe is everything always goes exactly how he wanted it to.
He fought the brothers with two lightsabers to even the playing field since they both had double sided ones but I don't think he was ever scared of them.
It's amusing how they will say that the Jedi Masters who came with Windu were supposedly some of the best if not the best fighters and strongest in the Jedi Order and yet they were cut down within seconds of confronting Palpatine. Yeah sorm great Jedi tgey were.
I figured he brought out a second one just to flex on Maul and Oppress. When you get to Palpatine's level you don't even gotta bring your A game so he did a style he rarely uses.
It may also be that in the duel with the brothers he may have aimed to crush and demoralise them.
With the Jedi masters id imagine he was ready and open to being engaged by the jedi. Using a single light saber is a symbol of his belief in himself being above the masters, showing off his elegance and prowess in light saber combat. Besting an opponent out manned and out gunned shows how little he regarded the jedi as a whole.
With the brothers, may be that he wanted to show how truely out matched they are with pure ferocity and ruthlessness. Taking off the kiddy gloves so to speak
Can you please change or stop using this background music, it makes me nauseous just hearing it, especially at high playback speeds.
Notice how he also didn't use two lightsaber in his "force holicingaltion" with Yoda and Akakin at the end of the Clone Wars season 6.
The real reason is that Palpatine loses his lightsaber in the mace windu fight, and then has a second lightsaber in the Yoda fight.
That's why in TCW hes shown with 2 lightsabers.
Would sidious still have won agaisnt Mace even if Anakin didnt get involved.
Also he didn’t have the element of surprise vs maul so maybe that’s why he brought two. The Jedi didn’t expect him to be so fast so he knew he would have an advantage from the start therefore didn’t need two
Ian Mcdiarmid was already in his 60s when this movie came out. Teaching him to convincingly swing one lightsaber was hard enough.
Count from Sesame Street voice:He should have used three, three lightsabers ah ah ah...
I really wish there could be a scenario where ancient Sith and Jedi somehow go into the future and there just be an all out war with Sith and Jedi fighting each other and have Sith have some in fighting as well and see how Sidious would handle them. I just wanna see him fight more and have more formidable opponents to face.
when it comes to palpatine's dual with Mace windu I think palpatine was expecting them because just before that he revealed to Anakin that he was the dark lord of the Sith so the gig was up he knew Anakin was going to tell and he knew Anakin would eventually be his apprentice. since the gig was up he didn't have to be as careful which is why he may have been looking at the Death Star plans at that particular time while expecting trouble to show.
Idea: What if Nehdar listened to kit fisto and didn’t fight grevious
It is a fair point that having two swords in real sword fights is generally just not as effective as one. Two swords can be useful against multiple opponents but palp dealt with the other so quickly it was probably just better of use the one blade to its full potential.
It was a cartoon and it looked cool. That's why. Also, Clone Wars was after the movie and they wanted to do something different
He never stopped using 2. In ep III he might have just been recharging the batteries in the other lightsaber back at his quarters.
I think sidious wanted to get over taken gambling that Anikan would show up so he could play on Aniken‘s sympathy to turn him to the dark side
Yall better stop with that force scream he just trashed those jedi (besides windu) if anything the scream bolstered himself.
I think he only used one blade because he didn't want to win outright. He wanted to put Anakin in the position of having to save him.
So the real question: does Sheev beat Mace, if he uses two lightsabers? Absolutely.
Funny, I saw a video claiming that Sidious kept his lightsaber on his desk in a small statue.
Great video, I know I questioned this a bit but your explanation makes sense.
I think the simple answer is he holds Sith apprentices in higher esteem than 4 Jedi masters
So he wasn't expecting them, right after he tells anakin and anakin tells him exactly what he is going to do🤣
What's that background music you use?
They needed to make palpatine dueling a more novel experience in the clone wars? Seems like the most probable explanation.