We bought a new jet engine... can we boost it?!
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- We purchased a swiwin 300B turbojet engine and test an unconventional method to increase it's thrust. If you try to do this at home, please do it safely.
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Not enough people confirm negative experimental results. Such a good way to improve your intuition.
Very true.
Fun fact: top comment confirms a negative experimental result, human condition has entered a intellectual mass extension.
Technically ... Général science rarely publish failures, but computing security ... Always do !!!
"Can we boost it?"
Indeed. Negative results are still very worthwhile. It's not a failure, you know what does not work.
3 measurements = statistically significant. I find it concerning that if we get a ‘good’ result we stop taking measurements. Only when we get ‘bad’ results do we measure again. Bias is a killer of the truth.
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lol, same
I wonder if the thumbs up is enough of a sacrifice to the algorithmic gods to appease them?
@@tomboyd7109 Depends on how it's removed, I suppose.
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As a former Turbofan Test Engineer for Lockheed and Rolls-Royce at Stennis Space Center on the huge Trent engines, this video makes me happy!
I'm glad. That's an endorsement.
My first thought when I saw the augmenter was a vacuum engine test stand
My question is, if you have forced air say 45 mph into the turbine blades will it be faster at the exhaust end.without fuel
@@user-ki9iv3jk7k, the compressors and turbines are mechanically linked through shafts. So, no. In a Trent engine, there are three shafts, which rotate independently and at different speeds and directions to each other. However, each compressor and turbine on the same shaft rotate at the same RPM.
@@TechIngredients You should make the first "Rotary Vane Engine" AKA sliding vane engine. They solve all four fundamental problems of the piston/crank. They are literally the theoretically perfect heat engine, for converting intermittent combustion into rotary shaft power. Their Torque output is stupendous (the main flaw of piston/crank) as their torque lever (moment of arm) is equal to the radius of the rotor (a coffee can sized RVE would produce ~2000ft/lbs.). They can achieve thermal efficiencies approaching 70% (as opposed to 25%), by having expansion ratio's of 40:1, yet compression ratio's of 20:1, without detonation issues (its rotary, no piston slow down). They are a true rotary engine, not even the Wankel is true rotary. The one problem you have to solve is... vane tip friction... from the sliding vanes contacting the inner periphery of the circular housing. This can be done a number of way, and it's just crazy no one has done this. Their are only about 9 Patents pertaining to rotary vane engines. Only a few people have ever really attempted to make one, even though they are the geometrically perfect design for a gasoline/diesel/HC engine. Even a poorly functioning prototype would be almost twice as efficient as a modern car engine. And would also remove the need for transmissions, since the torque output is sufficient... As it has the same mechanical advantage electric motors do. By implementing a method of vane control, whereby the vanes do not contact the housing, but maintain ~5 micron clearance, you would have zero friction/contact/wear...and still have an effective sealing of combustion gases, as below 5uM a choking effect occurs. Near zero blowby. And a piezoelectric actuator could do this with ease. The military uses piezoelectric actuators on their turbine shroud, to micro-adjust the ever so important blade clearance...
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Mine too!
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Thank you for not having annoying sponsorships. Love your channel
I disagree. we can all put up with a 20 second sponsor. But NOT the youtube ads every 5 minutes (it's a engineering video but we get pushed ads about some game?). A quick sponsor read by these guys of a product they really might use works for me and every cent they can put towards the science I am all for it.
@@zeitgeist909 Firefox and voilà.
@@zeitgeist909 You don't get either sponsor or ads. You get ads or both ads and sponsor. TH-cam wants it's cut and they only earn it by ads, not by sponsor. There are ways to stop the ads, you can search for it
Problem is: TH-cam ads are getting more and more annoying. I got like 4 or 5 during this video. Even 45seconds one
@@E_Proxy The channel gets no say about the youtube ads. If you don't have premium you will get them, Tech ingredients has no say in the matter.
The fact that you published video with a disappointing result demonstrates your integrity. I'm looking forward to the pulse jet iteration!
I did notice the fact that you do not advertise on this channel. In fact, that's one of the main reasons why I like and respect this channel so much.
It is an unavoidable truth that whenever a TH-cam channel starts adverting products and/or services which the host will never use, there is a high probability that a gradual change will start to take place. The motivation to produce a video starts to be more and more driven by financial rewards rather than intellectual ones.
A line of thust is cut between the channel and its audience. Some of the audience will, to an extent, feel conned for having been lured into a long, seemingly useless, perhaps misleading advert.
Thank you ever so much for honestly caring about your viewers and their viewing experience.
Such posture will never go unnoticed.
You got a reduction in thrust because the volume of air entrained couldn't make up for the massive pressure drop the augmenter created. It expanded the the nozzle area rapidly reducing exhaust velocity. Lower exhaust velocity for relatively the same air mass flow means a reduction in thrust.
It works on the pulse jets because their exhausts are at a much higher velocity (supersonic) due to the fact they have a detonative combustion process compared to deflagrative for the jet engine, so the augmenter essentially becomes like a convergent-divergent nozzle for them, helping their exhaust expand for greater velocity.
Sort of, i think the case is really more to do with momentum coupling, the high velocity low massflow provides less impulse for the energy of a high massflow low velocity flow, and the really inefficient pulse het output gets a larger benefit by entraining a larger massflow in the augmenter than the better tuned turbojet
@@youngbloodbear9662 A good test would be to couple the augumenter directly to the pulse engines in a way that doesn't cause entrainment. Basically just welding it to the engine. If the thrust still increases then my theory is probably right.
I was wondering how much the exhaust velocity was going to affect it.
@@xBIGMUSCLEx that would be a fair test I agree
@@youngbloodbear9662 I patented a jet engine design that uses similar principles.
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I was wondering the same thing! 😂
I bet it takes a lot of work and time to build everything
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One should never underestimate the Reynold's number in such a setup with fast moving turbulent gas flow. However, there are good news. There is already a working and well proven augmenter for continuously operating jet engines, that improves power and fuel economy significantly: It is termed the turbo-fan concept. You need a turbo shaft engine with a large fan at the intake face, driven by a planetary gear box. Fan and engine are mounted coaxially within a tube. the main wirking principle is that of a gas-pump. Additionally, the hot exhaust gas stream provides more work - close to Carnot's efficiency with optmised engines. Consequently EGT of the whole system is much lower.
Yeah, but a modern high-bypass turbofan can't take you supersonic (yet). And that has to be the goal
@@ACCPhil When supersonic flight is the goal, I agree. However, if fuel economy and low emissions are required, turbo-fans are the best choice.
I would love to see a proper RC scale high-bypass axial flow turbofan! Centrifugal flow turbojet engines are the only ones I've ever seen.
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I totally loved that show as a kid 😊
in germany we had Löwenzahn
the guy who moderated it was an Engineer who often built Rube-Goldberg machines (little fun fact: he was the sound-technician responsible for transmitting Kennedy's speech in Berlin "Ich bin ein Berliner"
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@@friskydingo5370was that the original series in the 50s or the newer one in the 70 I believe? I loved the ones when I was a kid in the 50s.😊
I said exactly that the first time I saw one of his videos. It was rocket engines, if I remember correctly.
Propane guy here. You have 2 holes near the torch base. That uses same principles (i think it is some type of venturi) to mix air with jetted propane.
what??? youre made of propane?
@@penguiin12 no he is Pro Pane his hands install quality windows by day and inflict quality justice by night.
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@@penguiin12 he is, what's the problem?
Propane and propane accessories?
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And this is one of the big reasons that an engine with an afterburner has a variable shaped nozzle, the Turkey Feathers are designed to account for the different in flow due to the changes in the flow, People don't fully understand that basic turbines with a fixed Nozzle are a compromise, they are designed for best performance use at the 'mean' point for the turbine design (typically about 75 or so % operating throttle).
If bolting simple augmentor on worked, GE and RR etc would have done it long ago! It's in their INTEREST to have things like this work rather than hide it away etc.
But what I love about this channel is it's never afraid to fail or confirm a fail... and that's what real science is.. Theory, Test, Understand, Improve....
Never stop learning.
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I got excited when you said "Rotating detonation engine". They are the engines of the future.
That's a pulsed detonation engine, not an RDE.
@@edz44 Yes, but he mentioned an RDE.
@@edz44 Now......go back and READ, with your eye balls what I wrote. I wrote "I got excited when you SAID rotating detonation engine. I didn't say the two other engines he had beside him were RDE's....I said the WORDS came out of his mouth. And that's exactly what he says @ the 2:18 mark. Gosh I for one feel better knowing I was correct in what I wrote. You should leave "Trolling" to the experts.
@@edz44 Go back and read what I wrote S.L.O.W.L.Y and tell my why your comment isn't deleted yet.
@@MrDhalli6500Are… are you ok? You came back six hours later just to leave another frustrated comment? At that point I’m actually kinda concerned about you.
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They have a patreon that I subscribed to I feel the same way
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Glad there are still honourable people as content creators
Can't wait to see and hear you light up the pulse detonation engine especially. Always love your content.
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Unlike others on TH-cam with similar engines, I'm glad to see proper hearing protection used!
Safety sally
those things are so painfully loud, I don't know how those rc guy go without protection
@@texasrob2782 probably due to 1/r^2 aka the further you are away the less painful it gets and since rc planes tend to fly several meters above and dozens of meters away from you it's tolerable compared to just sitting next to the engine itself
@@Based_Dept.why is an ignoramus like you watching a science channel? I reckon politics and conspiracy theories are more your speed.
I don't think any other TH-camrs have been using this without hearing protection. It's deafening. Maybe they used plugs that you didn't notice, but I don't think there's anyone out there who doesn't understand the dangers of an engine this loud.
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Aerospace engineer, but admittedly didn’t specialize in propulsion, still I did study it quite a bit. What I can say is that typically aerospace propulsion comes down to momentum coupling, you have a given power generation available in a reactive engine and you need to maximize the useful momentum transfer coming from that, that means balancing massflow and exit velocity. You can have a lot of air moving slow or a little air screaming fast with the same energy. Because of the V^2 vs V scaling of energy and momentum that means you get the most oomph from a larger mass moving slow, but if you’re moving at a certain velocity you have to give *some* impulse or you aren’t really doing anything. It tends to balance so that the exhaust velocity is most efficient at about 2x the forward speed. A turbojet has a really fast exhaust, so its not very efficient for most aircraft, instead we use bypass air and extract more energy from the turbine to run the fan of a turbofan to push lots of air at the right speed to maximize efficiency. Then for big slow aircraft we go straight to a turboshaft engine and run a huge propeller so something like 80x the air is getting pushed on by the screw than runs through the engine, and at the limit we have helicopters where they can be more or less efficient while static.
Getting on to pulsejets, they run off of an explosion meaning they have a brief pulse of high velocity output, but they usually run on slow moving or static frames. An augmenter better couples the momentum of that impulse by entraining a larger massflow and distributing that pulse over a longer time, you get a bigger smoother push instead of sharp taps. Meanwhile a small turbojet, while it does have a fast exhaust and lower massflow, the internal flow velocity usually assumes mach 0 behavior and it’s nothing crazy, ~mach 1 for a hot gas. Using an augmenter here is similar to a really inefficient implementation of bypass air in a turbofan, i wouldn’t be surprised to see it working, but i also can see why it wouldn’t be especially effective in comparison to the pulsejet
Agreed
@@TechIngredients after thinking a little longer, I’m guessing it’s possible to see thrust improvements but the ‘tuning’ of the augmenter design might be quite different than for a pulse jet, and the losses to skin friction drag on the walls of the augmenter are likely to be more significant than for an equivalent pulse jet. I don’t have a good enough intuition here to be confident about what parameter changes might be required though, but I might suggest playing with diameter and length as some first order changes to try and find some correlations to start optimizing on. That may be cost/time prohibitive though
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@@TechIngredients Hello, I think the 2 reasons you gave for the augmenter not working on the turbojet are logical and likely valid, but I feel there may be a third reason as well. I believe the augmenter may produce additional thrust by basically functioning somewhat like an afterburner, but instead of burning additional fuel to get the heat energy it uses to produce thrust, it's simply extracting wasted heat energy that still remains in the exhaust gases after they leave the main engine. In essences it's kinda like a striling engine in regard to the fact stirling engines further extract work from the exhaust gases before expelling them. I think one significant reason this doesn't work with the turbojet is because to some extent turbojets are already designed to do this. Remember in your description of the afterburner, you touched upon how the exhaust from the engine was still oxygen rich. Well, that's because the engine pulls in significantly more air than it needs for combustion. In the engine that additional air absorbs heat and converts it to thrust and work (in turning the turbine) inside the engine. This, is of course, why the turbojet, is already vastly more efficient than the pulsejet. And it likely also explains why the augmenter has no chance of working very well on the turbo jet to begin with.
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since the air inside it drags, is there some internal design that can work similar to the dimples in a golf ball? maybe many rings for vortexes to form in place to reduce friction with the exhaust from engine?
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It's the same type of device they use to inflate aircraft emergency slides. Instead of a jet engine though it uses a small rocket motor.
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PWM isn't the frequency of pulses, it's the duty cycle of the pulses.
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