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Messi v Ronaldo.
Messi v Ronaldo.
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300 comments in one hour…
Please don’t hurt me😂
Don't worry, it'll be quick
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lol
I'll Protect you big man
you knew this was happening lol
Never thought i would watch a 10 min video of Phil Foden in a Burnley kit talking about Messi and Ronaldo
Yeah Phil Foden has some good stats this year,7 goals in 27 games,2 assists with man city,so maybe he might get ballon dor 2024 and legacy like messi and ronaldo. Whats ur thought?
@@shivammange4143i think u misunderstood the comment
@@shivammange4143 what?
I know i was just kidding man😂😂😂😂😂😂relax
@@shivammange4143if you’re kidding, be funny then.
Shame these two’s careers never really took off
Indeed, imagine if they took football seriously😂
I don’t get the joke here
@@nont18411 what joke?
@@BenDover_.how did their careers never take off?
@@user-pb8gu3np6iIts because their careers REALLY took off
Messi never played against San Marino, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Malta, Andorra, Lithuania, Latvia, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, Estonia, Kosovo, Belarus, Armenia, Luxembourg etc regularly. Otherwise he would've 250+ international goals by now. South American Qualifiers are the most difficult one.
True the last time Messi played against Estonia he banged 5 goals in a single game
@@xeronyx0001at the age of 35 too
@@xeronyx0001at 35 when he had no pace
Imagine him playing against them in his prime like ronaldo did
When I see takes like this, I realise how stupid and jealous some people are. If ronaldo didn’t score, you’d be like: he’s so shit he can’t score vs those teams. So basically you have an agenda whereby whatever the outcome, you will still shit on him. If Ronaldo was 5”7, shy and not outspoken, you’d be singing his praises because that’s what you relate to. You can hate him as a person but you cannot shit on his legacy. Simple
managing less than 120 minutes per goal over your ENTIRE career is insane bro.
doing that in in your peak years alone is mad, but 2 players doing that over 2 decades is hard to wrap my mind around.
To throw my two cents in I think we all should accept Teemu Pukki as the de facto goat since his name literally translates to goat in Finnish.
Debate settled 😤
The only correct answer in the GOAT debate
🐐
I disagree.
Its a shame you people have forgotten about Lord Bendtner. The only true king of football.
I can agree to that
I’ve been a die hard Messi fan since early middle school. The stuff Messi has done is nothing short of magical. I don’t hate CR7 but Messi has this way of making you question what you just saw.
exactly what i think. Messi does things that no other person on the planet can do including ronaldo. he is magical
Bro just watch young skillful cr7, despite being a player of hight stature and hight center of mass unlike Messi,he was still incredibly skillfully with the ball.
@@ShauryaSingh-tn8etBro is 1.87m, not Peter Crouch or Jan Koller.
His dribbling was impressive all by himself, not because hes taller than average.
And yes he was effective - comparatively
I still how the f*ck cristiano scored that free kick vs arsenal, ong ranger vs porto just to name a few. So that logic doesn't make sense. U like messi so u think that
@@karthiks6394 the way messi weaves in and around multiple world class defenders at once then just pokes the ball past the keeper making it look all too easy, putting fear into the eyes of everyone around him is magical. The clip of messi being subbed on and Simeone knowing it's over for Atleti really sums it all up. (He then went on to win the game for Barca from behind if u don't know)
Saying messi hasnt adapted his playing style is wild 😂 and show's who has and hasnt watched his games
dude he went to a billion dollar team and didnt win anything
What are you talking about???? Thats nonsense mate @@oj6633
@@oj6633won the World Cup 🤷♂️
@@MM-jc7uvdidnt know FC Argentina is a billion dollar squad
@@oj6633he was there for like 2 seasons and got 2 titles
ronaldo fans do more damage to ronaldo than messi fans
True football fans love both players and appreciate their greatness.
I agree
@@Vizeh agree on what??😂😂They were never equal.Its social media and the ballondor award that made this a big thing
@@ALIENGOATMESSI you are exactly the opposite of what he described
@@ALIENGOATMESSIwdym "agree on what"? Is reading too hard for you? Take it one word at a time buddy
@@ALIENGOATMESSI people like you are exactly what makes this debate so toxic, go troll somewhere else kid
Problem with this debate is that 95% of people who have an opinion of it have never watched more than 5 games of each player in a season, 90% will have never watched a full 90 minutes with these guys at club level.
98% is of people who are extremely biased (especially messi fans) Ronaldo fans too
If you watched their games Messi was the far better technically gifted football player
Yea people take few moments of them out and use it to describe their whole game. Watching a full 90 minutes of them consistently in my time, messi is far more game changing than Ronaldo. He is the one on the pitch dictating the game. Loose sight of him for a second and the balls already in the goal. Ronaldo is also extremely dangerous, but no where as close as Messi. Messi has his playmaking and his dribbling and his goalscoring to watch out for. No disrespect to Ronaldo but it’s not really that close
visibly a ronaldo fan@jacobalexander4167
@@jacobalexander4167 Stats say Messi eye test definitely say Messi. I don't understand when you say especially Messi fans as its pretty clear they watch football and understand who's the better of the 2. The fact we are even having this debate shows biased from Ronaldo fans aka (you). Ronaldo is second best we should accept that he played his heart out and was dominate for 20 years, but Messi glitch in the system and watching him play has proven forget stats.
“Basketballs a close second”
Literally a second later
“Nothing comes close”
There has never been such a forced debate, simply by watching each one play you realize the very different level each one is at, with the little man being the biggest of all. 🐐♾️
Average kid who started watching football in 2018😂
@@JeffkReina Ronaldo does things that can be done, but he does it more frequently than any other player that isn't Messi.
What Messi does is not something people can replicate.
@@kayenat10 correction!!!
no one can do anything impossible
The fact that a human did it means that it’s possible. So Ronaldo and Messi’s legacy can be achieved with a good enough dedication. Also ppl that normally say, “It’s was never a debate” only said that because of recent times and the World Cup of course.
But I’ll say that it was actually a debate, at least at that time. If you watched them earlier in their career you would know. Ronaldo made a massive comeback from 1:4 ballon d’ors to 5:5 ballon d’ors. To the point where he almost surpassed Messi if not Modric in 2018.
That’s why when I hear ppl saying that it was never a debate I just know that they started watching football recently😂.
The truth is that Messi won at the end but as for the debate, it was a very valid debate.
Ronaldo really put up a good fight and proved himself a worthy opponent and he’ll always have my respect for that.
But I’ll end this by saying, “There’s honor in everything, even in defeat”.
I hope you didn’t misunderstand my harmless opinion tho.
@@kayenat10stop treating messi like a god dude,anything can be replicated with practice and dedication
@@user-ji3yk3my2j I'll believe it when I'll see it
We kept pushing each other.
-Cristiano Ronaldo
100%
I don't need anybody to push me I push myself
- Cristiano Ronaldo
he keeps contradicting himself
he said that?@@BiggestBirdonMars
Ronaldo is obsessed with Messi and has an inferiority complex. Messi doesn't give a fuck about him.
Some fanbase are not gonna like this video
I prefer not to speak
Haven’t finished the video but penaldo fan girls are gonna go crazy
@@TheCommentor- mate im Messi fan
@@TheCommentor-why you gotta say penaldo for what he did to you 😂
Let them. 😂😂😂😂
ronaldo's best success is comparing to messi
I’ve probably watched 90-95% of Messi’s matches. I’ve run out of ways to describe him long ago. His footballing ability is ineffable. Without a doubt the GOAT!
i remember watching his goal against bilbao in 2015 copa del ray final and thought it was a normal goal BECAUSE IT WAS A NORMAL THING FOR MESSI , looking back now i dont know how i didnt realise i just witnessed one of the greatests goals of all time
Magical Messi, that's how you describe him.😊
Not even close to Pelé
@@marioauditore2859 pele is an overkill
di stefano is enough
@@marioauditore2859 head and shoulders above pele
The Ronaldo the hard worker vs Messi the talent has got to be the most reductionist narrative in football. People forget just how much of a talent Ronaldo is. There's no young talent on the face of the earth that even touches his level at his age.
Amen! Just because you see more of Ronaldo doing the work doesn't mean Messi isn't putting in the same amount of work. How would he have become a freekick specialist without putting in the hours? This is just a simple example. It's ridiculous of people to think Ronaldo is putting more hours in and Messi is doing nothing. No one can be at this level without a crazy work ethic.
@@Marco-jc4zxwhile I do agree that messi definitely trains and works hard but to say that he works as hard as ronaldo is just obscene. Every teammate ronaldo's played with has talked his dedication to training and perfecting his craft and how obsessed he is at being the best. And that simple fact to me proves that he's the harder worker
@@Bruhi7that does not reduce the impact his talent plays or the sheer amount of it, or vice versa for Messi.
As OP said, it's the most reductionist narrative and it is quite annoying to see sometimes.
Let’s not act like Ronaldo was some century talent like Messi was, Ronaldo was super talented for sure, but compared to players like Rooney, or Neymar he’s pretty mediocre in terms of talent. His mentality bolstered his talent to put him above those two.
Wrong cr7 was extremely talented he was just very raw . You can say they were more develop at younger age flr world level but his talent was on their level @@Susanoo1016
Messi vs Ronaldo didn’t really become a thing until CR7 went to Madrid. Meaning that the debate was more about Barca vs Madrid.
Yeah, the debate already started when they met second time on UCL final. At the time people are choosing Ronaldo for his balon dor achievement and trophies at 2008. But now it's getting even bigger when Messi won 4th balon dor and Ronaldo move to Madrid
Media made it for clicks and views. All for it to culminate in Ronaldo becoming a crazy cult leader saying anything stupid and his followers eating it up 😂
yes because you cant compare performances in different leagues the same way, but it doesnt tell anything about who is better. like nobody really cares about who's the best in the world right now because the contenders play in different leagues
@@cbust10 ronaldo has had some dumb takes but it's just as dumb of a take to claim that "the media" made the rivalry
Chill with the revisionist history. Messi and CR7 were already rivals from the latter's days in Man U.
Both are legends, and I’m glad I witnessed both of them in my lifetime. Both are amazing people as well, they might’ve made mistakes in the past, but they’re both a good example of determination and honesty.
Determination yes, honesty? No. They’re both Tax frauds and well… Ronaldo wasn’t allowed in the US for years because of his actions.
@chardy8683 Everyone evades taxes, especially rich people in countries with high rates. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo do their own accounting, and they probably don't know shit about taxes either.
@@chardy8683lol if you had any money you’d do the same. But i guess we’ll never find out, because you have a loser’s mindset, all bitterness and helplessness.
@@chardy8683tax fraud is awesome 🎉
Ronaldo isn't a legend without the World Cup. How is one a legend without winning the pinnacle of all trophies
The most forced debate in the history of mankind.
One natural and the other utilizing a massive PR team to force relevance.
dumbest comment I've ever read
Now with the wolrd cup Messi basically has a flawless career. Eye test, stats, trophies, big games. Theres nothing you can critique Messi for. Definitely the greatest player of all time
Imagine calling Messi’s World Cup career flawless 😂😂
@@jiijiceente533 only player to win 2 world cup golden balls, not even the great pele or maradona could do it. That alone cements his WC career as top 5 all time
Can you read? He has a flawless career because of the World Cup, not that he has a flawless World Cup career 🙄
That's your opinion. The eye test is subjective because we all value different things when we watch football. Stats, as we all know, only tell a portion of the story, trophies are team achievements, and both Ronaldo and Messi are bona fide big game players who like all players, have also choked in big moments.
That's your opinion. The eye test is subjective because we all value different things when we watch football. Stats, as we all know, only tell a portion of the story, trophies are team achievements, and both Ronaldo and Messi are bona fide big game players who like all players, have also choked in big moments.
While I am a die hard Ronaldo fan. I know that you cannot even deny Messi’s career as being the greatest anyone has ever witnessed. I’ll always rep Ronaldo because of the memories he was instrumental in creating for me and other Madridistas. But Messi’s career is so perfect, he has won everything he could win being the best player almost every single time. Who can debate that?
It’s not the greatest mate only reason he even has a career is cuz of drugs
@@Dan42069___ Come on man 🤣
@@Dan42069___ i did growth hormones just like messi and i don´t have a gram of his talent and not even near being a pro football player, shut the f up
Messi didn't do well for psg tho.. he got carried by Barca, while Ronaldo is on his own, proving himself in every team..
cant deny messi's greatness in barca tho
@@shairis2007 HAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHHA, where was ronaldo against portugal?
No but penaldo started as a goalkeaper in the beginning of his career🤣😅💀
If he started as midfield according to Facebook fanboys (he didn't he was a wide forward or pure winger setup to assist) then why doesn't he lead in dribbles or assists or key passes or other areas in the game where midfielders are supposed to flourish, no Ronaldo fan will ever be able to answer this , because most Ronaldo fans are just fanboys who have been brainwashed to believe that he is someone who is supposedly on Messi's level.
@@mcmjoe i'm not even a ronaldo fan and i have to say you are completely braindead. i'm not even gonna answer there is no point communicating with you at all
We’ve been spoiled! There will never another pair like Messi and Ronaldo. They drove the game (and each other) to new, dizzying heights!
We were blessed
They will be plenty ronaldos bruh😂…
He doesn’t do anything beyond normal on the pitch…
But messi??!
Nahhh
@@ojvic7297 Really lol ? your telling there won't be another player who gets 6 penalties in 8 world cup matches ? 😂😂😂😂
@@user-uh8nc8ks6v
Yeah..
Cos messi owns football…
Only him can set a worldcup competition for himself …
Messi runs football.😕
Your crying goat is beneath him..😂
@@ojvic7297Nah man both ronaldo and messi own football
"Basketballs a CLOSE second but nothing comes CLOSE to Messi and Ronaldo" 😂😂 gotta love Vizeh
Still more fun and harder to learn tho😂
Man, some people still talk about the rivalry between the two and the longetivity is insane. Mad, mad respect. The fact that Messi and Ronaldo are still being spoken of and some in Ballon D'Or contention despite Mbappe and Haaland being at that age where the two (Messi and Ronaldo) won their first (of many) Ballon D'Or is just mad.
Ronaldo fans saying that Messi “only scores tap- ins”. Edit: this is a true story btw
Ronaldo is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Messi is the greatest player of all time.
Looking back at the career of Messi and everything he has shown and done on the pitch, what he has produced in output and won on top of all that, there is no shame in Ronaldo coming 2nd to such an alien.
Cr7 however has shown and set a blueprint to all aspiring footballers that may not be gifted as much in ability as their peers that among magicians in the game you can still through sheer hard work, dedication and winning mentality, take yourself into the conversation amongst the greatest. He will always be admired as the best role model and a personal goat for those reasons for many people…
Of course Ronaldo also had the talent and Messi had the mentality, but what clearly stood out and is most known about the two is Messi’s outstanding ability which is down to his natural football genius and Ronaldo’s clutch performances be it finals or other big games… which is down to his outstanding mentality, drive and determination of winning whilst having an extreme bitter hate to lose…
very well said 👍
Thank you for your take on this debate lad❤
@yusufchagtai5542
Well put....but please revisit that clutch, big game and final part. This is one aspect of Ronaldo that people seem to simply assume.
@@okwyunams8439 I really hope you’re joking…
@yusufchagtai5542
See that's exactly the point. I'm certainly not joking. Give me examples that come to mind as to why Ronaldo is remembered as a big game player above someone like Messi for instance.
Messi just won the 2023 Player of The Year Award as voted by fellow players and coaches
Several of Ronaldo's former teammates voted for Messi
....and we all know he didn't deserve it
not true these players represent the country they did not vote themself
@@jacobalexander4167u don't know better than football professionals
and we all know he didnt deserve it
@@kio7596omg these excuses are so lame
as a ronaldo fan, I agree messi is the goat in football, but the reason so many people like ronaldo is the fact that he is very hardworking and a inspirational, motivational person, his story is inspiring and he is a perfect role model to achieve greatness.
True 👍
I think you're not fan of CR7. You're just disguised one
@@user-mm7vm7qk7n He is speaking facts
im a cr7 fan since 2013 bro, i even used to say he is the goat until messi proved he is capable of winning international trophies, he has the world cup and at the end of the day he has every single trophy and most ballon dors @@user-mm7vm7qk7n
@@user-mm7vm7qk7n Why? I can be a Neymar fan but I know Pele is better
Ronaldo does things and you say wow, messi does something and you say how!
I'm A Ronaldo fan
I'll Never Say Messi is the GOAT
But I do acknowledge his greatness
That’s fair mate! Thank you for your comment!
I completely disagree.
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😂😂u might not say it but u know it😂😂😂.LOL
100% agree Ronaldo all the way❤
In total, Lionel Messi has won 97 trophies throughout his career. As a player for Barcelona, he took home a whopping 35 trophies during his 17-year run with the first team. He has also won 53 individual trophies.
97? Are you counting high school trophies too(I'm a messi fan)
@@hairynigga849 I think he mistaked trophies for awards
Messi has won a total of 44 trophies, bro you are literally high and i say this is a die hard messi and ronaldo fan
@@prajwalitmohanty2337 search if you can.. Total awards n trophies combined.
Even without the stat's Messi is clearly better. Ronaldo never affected and brought up his team the way Messi did. Messi did everything from scoring, assisting, and playmaking.while Ronaldo only scored and sometimes assisted.
Whats your country bro?
There is no way in hell madrid were wining 3 ucl back to back without Ronaldo
Bro has negative ball knowledge.😂
@@Countryballs24992He is right but Ronaldo did affect the team with his clutch but he does only score goals and his influence other than goals is limited and he sometimes assist but Ronaldo comes in clutch.
@@Messi_47758 he is not. Ronaldo has affected every team he has played in. The disrespect is unreal. Just respect both goats.
One of the best rivalry of all time 🐐👽
THE best rivalry in history
one of lol.
To me Messi all day but I still appreciate Ronaldo and his achievements. He deserves respect and his flowers. What these guy has done in their careers will never be forgotten
mate please learn english you are giving me a chronic headache
@@theviper542 at least u understood what he said, cornball
@@bonaventuretindin8494 i didn't understand a damn thing mate you must be even more stupid than him to understand that and think that I understood it too if I did I never would have commented
The fact that Messi has 100 more MOTM with 100 less games shows how much better player messi is.
Nuh uh my new videos proves ronaldo better
Messi >>>>penaldo😂😂@@Paradox_AMpremium
@@Paradox_AMpremiumagreed
@@Paradox_AMpremium Messi>Ronaldo (overall stats)
I don't know why fans are so obsessed with stats. They clearly do not watch football but just use social media. If you actually watch football, anyone who says that CR7 is a better footballer than Messi is delusional. It is a fact.
The thing about stats is that Messi still has the greatest stats of any footballer in history. That's why it baffles me when people try to use that to argue for Ronaldo
@shepardice3775 yup true, but in summary Messi is a faster version of Maradona with Pele's goalscoring numbers and Zidane's playmaking abilities
it's a fact that people who think their opinions are facts are dumb
@@maaaaaap that makes u dum
Yes, I TOTALLY agree. I've always thought I was the only one who thought the rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo wasnt close. I've always thought Messi was just better.
Your absolutely right brother.
Because you are delulu
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrez nah Ronaldo fans are the delusional ones
@@digitail4000 ok person who's idol is Europe's laughing matter since 2015
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrez Messi has the admiration of all European lovers, what are you saying, ask any player about Messi and he will tell you that he is to be feared, that he has respect for him, that he is magical, a genius or he will tell you that he is the GOAT. What's more, you're probably the person with a high profile, being laughed at in the World Cup for never having scored in KO phases or trying to take credit from one of your teammates for a goal that he couldn't even touch with a header.
1. messi played many different roles across multiple different systems at barcelona
2. european international matches are much easier than south american ones due to the high amount of low-ranked countries
😂😂
As a Colombian, playing in Europe as a Portuguese is way harder, most South American national teams are not competent whatsoever
@@Dan42069___think he means because in South America you never play really shit nations. Teams like Peru are like top 50. However in Europe you can stat pad games in like nations League and euro qualifiers where you play nations like Lichtenstein malta and San marino but idk whats harder myself
What are those different systems and roles in such a regard it's an argument.
And no. It's solely easier to go through the group stage. After that the EC is way and I mean way harder.
France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, England, Belgium and then multiple other teams that are basically at least as strong as every country in SA not named Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay.
The EC is way harder. Argentina or Brazil not winning the Copa means they 100% failed. Not winning the EC means other teams might have better teams.
@@Dotsetc What's the standard of the EC if third placed teams can qualify for the next round? Most of the time Ronaldo is not playing against France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, Spain, England,etc. On the road to the Euro 2016 he faced....wait for it......Croatia, Poland 🙄, and Wales 🙄. You can't be serious.
Messi is better, it was never a debate
Messi the undeniable, undisputed, unquestionable greatest footballer to ever grace the sport. Him leading his country to the summit by way of a World Cup puts the end to this debate, if there ever was one.
See its usually younger kids, those more naive and still growing that really idolise ronaldo because of the image he build around himself but when they start growing up start to mature they start to appreciate how insane messi stats and achievements are in comparison
I don’t think this is true, at least from where I come from. Two of the schools i’ve seen, a lot of people say Messi. I personally think Ronaldo is better but both are arguable. I respect both of them for being the best at the sport.
Bro this is the most true thing I’ve read today. From 2017 I was a Ronaldo fan and I always didn’t care for Messi games . But know that I have opened my eyes Messi is truly the greatest
@@fatimasalem5325 same. It's bcz Ronaldo has insane PR
Pele, Messi, CR7, Og Ronaldo, Alex de Souza, Maradona, Cruyff, and more. All these players have contributed so much to this game, and I hope for more players like them.
Alex de Souza
so underrated
great shout
I feel awful for the fact I’ve not really heard of Alex de Souza at all
@@Vizeh I’m English, but he is like Fenerbahce greatest ever player. Different on the eye and amazing stats to back it up.
if he was more fortunate in his career with transfers and coaches he could’ve been an all time great.
@@Vizeh legend who’s career was ruined by the manager of Fenerbache who was also their top scorer. He scored 5 goals in a game at the end of the Brazilian league season to equal a record set by R9.
@@Vizeh He was great bro would broke records at turkey but the manager was petty sure the best and didnt want to beat his records
There is no debate, just an obsession for Ronaldo fans, but they are worlds away. Messi is just the best in history, while Ronaldo is a great player
Yup
no
what d you mean there's no debate? have you visited the internet in the last 20 years? why do some pro footballers say that ronaldo is the greatest, are they just obsessed? you must know so much more about football than them
saying theres no debate under a video titled messi v ronaldo???
Messi only won the world cup because of the questionable penalties he got which is suspicious 🤔🤔🤔
The easiest way to identify a football know-nothing is people who think CR7 is better than Messi. Piers Morgan for instance.
Fr
bro if anybody thinks messi is better than ronaldo than their also a know nothing
@@zeo9216 Found the know-nothing
@@clayboncThey didn’t say Ronaldo was better. Two different players who are all time greats.
right
Messi scored a 10 out of 10 rating in the CL final against Ronaldo in 2009...where's the debate now?
10/10 in that CL final. Xavi was the motm. You mean Xavi has that rating
@user-bi5nw4vp6t well can't argue with a clueless penaldo fan
@@user-bi5nw4vp6tMessi scored a 10/10 Rating in the 2011 UCL final Not 2009 but doesn’t change the fact that Ronaldo NEVER DID THAT🤣 and Messi dunked on Ronaldo’s head in 2009 still
@@dsavage6618 Now explain who said he had 10/10 in CL final according to whom?? The famous ratings are from el.equippe and Messi has 10 rating in two matches(. Arsenal 11, Leverkusen 12). I see football from R9,Zidane time ,,don't come up with your pathetic fanboy knowledge and argue believing everyone are fans of Messi,CR etc. It's waste of time to speak to this kids who know nothing. Messi was great in 11 final and go.watch what Xavi did in 2nd half of 11 CL final if u want the see a masterclass.
Ronaldo's finishing and legendary ball skills are absolutely insane
But watching Messi play as a whole, his dribbling and overall quality, is just mesmerising to witness
I've never felt so astounded by a football player like Messi (in his prime of course)
Fat Messi or Noodle hair Ronaldo?
@@nont18411 Noodle hair Ronaldo
@@Jammiest_Dodger fat Messi scored 91 In a single calendar year
@@Jammiest_Dodgerwrong
fair point but I generally don’t understand ppl that say ronaldo is just a goalscorer
For me its not even about the stats, its about the influence both have in the game
Messi is one of if not the smartes player ever, and it isnt just that. The mastery of the ball, the acceleration, the fact that he could get fouled and keep going, his balance, everything
For me that is the reason it isnt even close, Ronaldo makes hard stuff, Messi makes hard stuff look easy
Ronaldu makes the impossible look possible, I am a Juventus fan and stunned when Ronaldu carried Real in final match of champions league, he scored 2 goals that was supposed to be not possible for the rest of the players. All Juventus fans 👏 for Ronaldu and Real Madrid while our club was losing
its the most forced debate of all time the answer is so obvious , its so funny messi litterally had to win world cup to end it for good
🎉
The debate ended back in 18 dec 22
Way before then. That was just the cherry on top 😅
It ended in 22 dec 18 winning 3 championships league back to back
@@yoyomi6226 In fact, it ended on May 27, 2009 with Messi's goal in the 70th minute, making a certain character cry in their direct confrontation in a Champions League final.
Winning 3 champion leagues < Winning 1 world cup@@yoyomi6226
@@mr.jhoan.9326ronaldo didn’t even win the 2018 ball ignore him player if ronaldo is such a goat he would of won the 2018 ballon dor
Messi clear not even close
There's no debate Messi far away
If you compare Cristiano Ronaldo to Luis Suarez stats you are going to get a surprise. Suarez in g+a ratio is superior. If you discount penalties for both players Suarez ratio is vastly superior as he never was the main penalty taker of his teams. Cristiano Ronaldo is in the same category as Luis Suarez, Lewandowski or Angel Di Maria. Messi is above that.
Clearly false. And ur just hating for no reason. U can't compare the player with the most goals in the HISTORY OF THE FUCKING SPORT to those players. The fact that he has more goals proves he's better. People trust him more to give him those opportunities.
@@Sajayyz🤣🤦♂️
@@SajayyzYou are the problem. You have no argument so you come and yell as proxy to a logical response 😂
Playing 150 more matches
A big reason for people supporting Ronaldo is the fact you saw more of him. in more interviews as he spoke English, had multiple products, did brand deals so was a big marketing target. Whereas Messi is not as commercialised.
Ronaldo is just more likeable😊
That’s a good point!
what you yapping about???
Bro waffling
@@Lilmosey-ud9pgthat’s facts
My preference goes to Ronaldo because I like the effort and determination he puts into physical work. It doesn’t stop me from accepting Messi is a genius
Its true for both
This is such a causual take. Anybody that says this doesn't really watch football.
@@val-zod1284 Most ronaldo fans don't really watch football that's true, they mostly watch highlights only
This take doesn’t really make sense, it’s not like Messi doesn’t put effort into physical work, he just doesn’t blatantly flash it as much as Ronaldo
@@elliott2193he does work hard just not as much as ronaldo, he doesn't need to flash it
no one will ever be able to measure Messi's talent with statistics and awards, he's off the charts every time😚😎🐐
And people still believe Ronaldo’s better. He’s fantastic but no, it’s not close
Anyone who ever entertained the 'debate' hasn't a clue what they're watching. Messi, the greatest creator of all time, has a better goal record than everyone in the last 40 years (at least). That defies logic.
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dwarf had to hide in barca all his life cus he's a comofrt zone system player
@@ElDragowwhy would you leave a big club that pays you well and competes for every trophy ?😂
@@ElDragow
The fact you’re calling him a dwarf shows you dislike him. Your awful opinion is therefore invalid.
Ronaldo does incredible things that make people go "wow, that's incredible" but when you watch Messi you're just lost for words.
nah
Right what Ronaldo does anyone can do. What Messi does it’s locked to him and you rarely see anyone at all replicate the simplest things he does.
Lmao, this is some crazy level of glazing. @@kennyhernandez6383
@@Blkarican "nah" cmon say something what is nah?
I'm lost for words how people still like Messi after robbing the biggest football tournament ever and stealing the golden ball from soo many
I've always said that Messi was better, but not by much, I love Ronaldo and hes always been one of my favourite players. Im legit a United fan only because of how good him and Rooney were back in 2008.
Just because I say that Messi is better, doesnt mean that Ronaldo isnt good, hes legit the 2nd best footballer of all time, thats a huge achievement. I just love them both man, its so sad that were never gonna get such a perfect rivalry ever again.
No way ronaldo is 2nd best of all time. As a player quality he is not.
@@anshul5705Not gonna lie you either don’t like Ronaldo or haven’t watched him throughout his career to make that statement
@@anshul5705Ronaldo is the 2nd best of all time. His achievements, longevity, adaptability and performances are unparalleled, except for Messi.
@@thecro2060 Exactly its legit insane that Ronaldo and Messi made it seem normal to consistently get 60+ g/a every season. Just think about how insane that is.
lol CR7y is not even recognised as the greatest Ronaldo which is R9.
Remove all Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barca fans from a worldwide poll and it will be overwhelmingly in favour of Messi.
True. I am a Bayarn Fan & I accept Messi is the GOAT🐐
You cannot measure what Messi does on a football pitch by mere statistics. He is simply MORE than just stats. With that being said, his stats ain't that bad are they? 😂 An absolute alien that little magician from Argentina.
That's the thing. Messi is more than the stats but by stats he completely and utterly dominates everyone
@@shepardice3775facts!
On an unrelated note Xavi has played a highline against Vini and Rodrygo and is 2-0 down in 10 minutes,when messi left Barcelona really declined
Yep, 3-1 now Vini hattrick, ig Vini the real 🐐
3-1, vinicius hattrick yeah they're fucked
Thanks for that update
They blew 4-1 & 3-0 leads in UCL with Messi there. The decline started whie Messi was there.
they won the league by a landslide when messi left
it was never really a debate. ronaldo is an absolute beast but with all due respect hes not even close to messi and the goat status
Cristiano didn't won 5 ballon d'ors for nothing. He IS one of the greats of all time. Nobody can't deny that.
It just so happen that there is somebody who is far more better than him. Somebody who has achieved everything there is to be achieve, and has done it so majestically.
Well said 👏
He is born in the wrong time
A player who relies on gifts and krruption, protection from the media to compete vs Ronaldo will never be better than Ronaldo not even in the conversation. Everyone knows how Messi wins 🇦🇷🐀💰💊
The only competition Ronaldo has is nothing but himself 🤫🐐🇵🇹
he didn't achieve one thing : to be the greatest in the UCL. Neither the WC
Forget nuclear war
The real war is this comment section
The only reason this debate even exists is media PR… because there is no way shape or form you’re comparing a Playmaker and a Goal-scorer (who is also an insane dribbler) to a goal scorer.
the only reason your comment exists is that you dont realize that when the debate started Ronaldo was a great dribbler and assist provider
@@maaaaaap You’re right ronaldo WAS a great dribbler but he wasn’t even on Hazard’s level. You’re right he provided assists but they are no where near the efficiency or look as good as Messi’s assists.
They truly are special. Messi and Ronaldo. Two Legends ...
Second best for me is Johan Cruyff, because of his influence on the pitch. He was probably the most intellectual player in terms of football iq. He was the Player to play in most complicated System(Total Football). At least to get near to that and he was the one why this System was functionated.(Example 1974 WC)... And of course the greatest player of all time is Messi. No debate.
Just tell me you are a Barca fan
@@mr.gamerkabir8142johan Cruyff revolutionized football mate, he's the most influential footballer, people don't give him his flowers
I really avoid from the topic of Messi vs Ronaldo because to compare these two you would to downplay each others achivements and records. And the "Messi vs Ronaldo" debate has really got very toxic with these fanboys saying pessi or penaldo. Real ones respect both and their greatness and as you said we shoudl appreciate we were able to watch these two play at the same time.
This is the kind of perspective i love to see. They will always be number 1 and 2 for me, but whos in what order idk cuz there is a lot of factors besides stats. Love your videos as always 🔥
Yea. In reality its still an easy decision to objectively make. In almost every way you can compare them, Messi comes out on top. CR wins very few metrics of comparison
The debate ended the 18th of December of 2022
For me it ended in 2012
@@shadow-man8715fair
Messi fans mostly love football.
Ronaldo fans love his money and fame.
Tbh honest in South America the games are a lot harder as you generally play better teams bc in Europe you are playing smaller nations more often eg. In qualifying for competitions you have one other decent team and the others are nations that are not really that good but in South America you are playing teams such as Colombia, Chile and the worst team - Venezuela, are nowhere near as bad as the smaller teams in European qualifying
bullshit
Nah, you think team Venezuela from the inflation socialist country is as good as even a mid European team like Ireland Republic ? No wonder you all keep being third world and snorting cocaine.
@greeze4685 it's not bullshit in almost every European qualifier there are usually 2 teams that are absolutely shit. Like monoca and Liechtenstein or San marino and Luxembourg.
And they have to contend with the high altitude.
@@greeze4685 there are many more European countries and less American countries in Football
70% American countries are in Top 50 whereas as only 30 - 40% in Europe are Top 50
They hated him because he told the truth 😂
Messi has been the greatest since 2011, what Ronaldo did was made a case for him having some better seasons than Messi. But the best player of the two is Messi, and me being Brazilian make it tough to admit but messi is the greatest
There's no debate anymore, It's not 2010 when this was a valid question of:
"I wonder who'd end up being better when everything is done and said?"
We already got an answer and it's clearly Messi.
That's why I really think you can very accurately predict if someone has ball knowledge or not based on who they think is better between the two. Not who they like the most, but who they think is a better footballer. There's not a problem liking Ronaldo more than Messi, but saying he is better than Messi is simply and objectively wrong.
I mean you can go and check yourselves the stats showed in this video more indepth, and you'll literally see Messi being on top for everything excepting
Aerial duels
Headers
Penalty conversion rate
I also want to mention that a certain part of both their fanbases are equally stupid.
Marco Van Basten won 3 Ballon Dor's by the age of 27 before his career was sadly cut short due to perpetual injury related issues.
Had it not been for this, I think he would certainly be a serious contender for the GOAT tag. Perhaps one of the greatest 'What If' scenarios in football history.
That’s actually a good shout, thank you for adding that!
Can add Nazario into same list of "what if"
Messi won 3 before 23 years old..
another one could be maradonna without the drugs, or balotelli without... well everything
Thats true. He had like 300 goals in only 430 matches thats an insane ratio considering he played in a time where defenders had much more freedom
The G.O.A.T debate is done, now we have the F.I.S.H (Finest In Soccer History)
Olivier Giroud wins that 100%
dont you mean F.I.F.H
yes, Ronaldo won it.
@@ElDragow "Ballons D'Or are good measure"
Gets outnumbered.
"Golden Boots are better, stats not votes"
Gets outnumbered again
"Trophies with national team better"
Gets outnumbered and outclassed
Throws towel, "rivalry is no more" (don't mention goals just in case, don't want to get outnumbered)
@@ElDragowPenalDOG EGONALDO 0 wc knockout goals and 0 playmaker awards international MVP penaldo 😂
I love CR7 and he deserves massive respect, but everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows that Messi is better. It was a media forced debate
I show Messi and Ronaldo highlight to a bunch nobodies as an experiment, everyone loved cr7’s cool tricks, but when Messi came, everyone noticed how dominant he is with his incredible magic and dribbling. The clear winner is obvious in the end…
It’s not a media forced debate. It’s an actual debate. Just because you like Messi more doesn’t mean there’s no debae. and With your logic here , messi seems better when people have a basic understanding of the sport? So if people have a deep understanding that means CR is better right?
@@L7ChristianB Messi in his 5th best season (10/11, 11/12, 12/13, 14/15, 18/19) was a better player than CR7 in his best season when you look at the performance p90 and there is a consens among coaches that Messi is the best of his generation - that says it all.
The stats say Messi is better and the eye-test says Messi is better.
It's okay if you like CR7 more, but Messi is the better player from an objective point of view
@@ModernFootball866 you are basing why you think messi is better based on stats you deem to be what determines what is the goat. Anyone could do that, that’s why there is a debate. I can pick Ronaldo as the goat for various reasons of my own, hence why the debate exists. I can say everything that Ronaldo did better than Messi, in regards to UCL, goal scoring, leagues and base that goat in that. So it’s silly if you to say something is objective when it’s obviously subjective.
@@L7ChristianB If you look at the bigger picture and analyze the whole data, there is no way you can see CR7 is the better player - that's why the "debate" exists only among fanboys and people who don't know much about football, bcs everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows that Messi is better and the facts back it up.
You couldn't make a case for CR7 based in facts, it's just the emotional connection to him and the fact that you like him more
Not throwing nadal into the goat debate (as a Federer fan) is wild 😭
Messi btw,, ofc
Fr but he is 3rd
It took me 2 days to prepare myself to not get angry watching this video.
Do people actually really think its close💀
U type of people are the biggest clowns
Only Real Madrid, United fans and Juve fans 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dsavage6618 I'm a United fan and I know is not even close to Messi
@@United_Wings Smart fan
@@United_Wingsronaldo fans
By the end of the Messi v CR7 El Classicos , Messi was so far ahead , he could afford to let his rival gain a few laps.
Messi does things that great players wouldn't even consider trying and makes everyone around him better.
In basketball and football people try to act like there's a debate when there isn't...
Just wondering. Who is the clear goat in basketball?
@@Ksfjkdf Michael Jordan is by a mile :) just like Messi.
@@nikaabuladze3105 really? i dont know anything about basketball but whenever i see the goat debate it always seems like an era thing, like older people will say jordan and younger will say lebron
@@nikaabuladze3105 pele existed
i agree never a debate
pele was always clear
Ronaldo celebrate by suii which symbolize " yes I did it again and again like pro" but Messi celebrate by spreading arms and also Pointing up which symbolize "greatest of all, like god of football it was easy for him"
so are you telling me Messi is arrogant?
Ha! You lost me when you said “Messi and Ronaldo are the top 1 & 2”. Ronaldo is top 6-10
I know you people always ranked Messi at 1, but how does his World Cup accomplishment lower CR7's rank? I'm pretty sure most of everyone agreed CR7 and Messi were top 2, given that a majority of this generation has not seen Pele or Maradona play, and you cannot rate someone you have never seen play nor care to see. So how does Ronaldo go from 2 to 10 because Messi won the World Cup and he was already at 1. If you're gonna start listing names like R9, Ronaldinho, Gerd Muller, Di Stefano, Zidane when you probably haven't even seen half of them play. It's absurd but everyone gets to have their opinion
Ronaldo fans scare me. They tend to care more about cr7 than football itself
True, also they joke if Messi doesn't win and they call it rigged if messi wins
It’s a cult. Scary
In reality the best player, the absolute GOAT is Jonjo Shelvey
Well put...but honestly the genuine footballing GOAT has always been between Pele, Maradona and Messi....CR7 was co-opted into the discussion. Greatness isn't just about quantity but more about quality. Both are good but quality has always taken a greater percentage.
Ronaldo is above both pele and maradona and its not close stop acting like u watched either pele or maradona
Its as if ronaldo was just a number 9 he was also a great passer an incredible dribbler and an underrated playmaker while being the most famous athlete of all time and the clutchest player of all time have you even seen ronaldo play
Ronaldo is the undisputed goat, keep crying
this is historical revisionism. by this logic the modern game will have no real goats because freedom in football is dying. the sport is evolving, you rarely see magic anymore. its all about systems and tactics, with each player playing a small role. messi and ronaldo were the last of the era were individuals could make the difference. you rarely see that anymore, teams are more compact and players are afraid of taking risks. the try to keep possession of the balls and only strike when there is a high chance of scoring. ronaldo is the top scorer of all time, its insanely disrespectful to not put him up there simply because you dislike his attitude or how his tenure at united ended. this is masked hate, and its highly normalised in the ronaldo issue. people act like he has always been a poacher when he had a good 10 years of playing on the wing before ancelloti. out of the 4, ronaldo is the odd one out technically yes but he has a unique skillset the others dont. his aerial prowess and positioning ability is inarguably better. his later years in his first spell at united and his initial years at madrid, he was an absolute joy on the ball. you need to watch it
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I agree with everything except the clutch part. That has been grossly exaggerated
Amazing video. Full of facts and respect for both… everyone should enjoy watching them play with such passion for the game until it is too late.
I love the argument from Ronaldo fans that the WC importance is diminshing cuz of penalties. Not like Ronaldos actuall most famous things is him being great in CL and him getting an absolute fuckton of penalties (and ofc converting). He is called "penaldo" for a reason.
Also you can add a "Fifa the best" award to Messi as he won another one just the other day (imo wrongfully considering the voting period).
Ronaldo scored 6 penalties during his three peat (39 games), Messi had 5 penalties in 7 games. Messi also has scored more penalties than Ronaldo in the national team despite playing less games.
@@Md-rb9rv cherry picking wont change the fact that Penaldo holds the record for most penalties scored in the history of football
we can all agree with martox3560's opinion guys!
I feel johan cruyff despite not having the numbers of messi ronaldo pele and maradona should be in the goat debate for one reason, his impact on the sport. In my opnion no one has impacted football more than johan cruyff as he literally reshaped how the world thinks of football, turning it into the beautiful game
i agree
Well this definitely count, cryuff is modern football revolutionary. He's the reason football is much fun and exhilarating
100%. My top 5 would be Messi, Maradona, Ronaldinho, Pele and Cruijf. CR7 is overrated and would be average without the talented players he played with along the way, mostly at Madrid.
@@AholeAtheist Ronaldinho have the talent to be in top 5 but not the mentality i will either but ronaldo naziro or cr7 for the longevity.
@@AholeAtheistMessi without the best team in the history of the game would be average
Two things that really bother me in this discussion is when peole do the talent vs hardwork, and some people whowhen they are going to compare their playstyles, treat Ronaldo like if he was always the number 9 that he became later, ignoring the differences between how he played at United, or even the the first years of Real Madrid. I've also seen people who would treat Messi in a way that to me sounded like they are saying he was always a midfielder, even if during some of his best moments at Barcelona he was playing as a false 9 or a winger, but these are way less common.
For real people only think of ronaldo as a 9 but it only played bcoz of an injury and at the end of his careet
@@peepeepoopoo9453you need to understand that a good majority of people chronically online right now were like 6 years old when ronaldo won his 2nd ucl in 2014. you really start watching the sport properly with understanding from a later age, so they probably werent even properly watching until lockdown. there are many ridiculous takes online which gather thousands of likes but you gotta deal with it. this is still wayy better than the stinking tiktok ball knowledge, thats such horrendous
That's why its called a 'False9' fr a reason.He was not playing the traditional number 9 penalty box striking role like fr instance what Haaland or Cr7 in his older years plays like.If at all u watched those barca games under Pep,he still used to drop deep into midfield n link up plays with Xavi n Iniesta all whilst pushing forward in attack n finishing the moves at the back of the net.He only played the false 9 role during the 2011-2012 season when David Villa had that unfortunate knee injury that kept him out fr most of the season n the better part of 2012.Pep on realising that vacuum engineered that ingenious tactic of deploying Messi that false 9 role by taking advantage of Messi's versatility n it worked perfectly.Its the season that Messi ended up with a record breaking of 73 goals in a single season in all competitions n a 91 calendar year goals to his name in 2012.The rest of the seasons he had real number 9 strikers upfront so there was no need fr him to play the false 9 again even though he still outscored those strikers in his teams apart from his Psg stint.In 2013,Villa returned n left in 2014 where Suarez came in and took over that striking mantle and as we know the rest is history.Suarez played with messi till 2020 when he departed n frthe all, that time together he was both the clubs playmaker but still scoring tonnes of goals.From 2005-2009 he hadwas Samuel Etoo as the striker,2010 Ibrahimovich n after the fall out with Pep,Villa took over in 2011.So this narrative that messi has been playing as a false 9 that's why he has many goals is absolute BS! He has been scoring those goals coz he's that good n a genius.
@@desmondachocky537 I know that a false 9 is different than a traditional number 9, but a false 9 is still a foward and not a number 10. What I was saying is that at some points, I saw people arguing in Messi's favor that he was scoring all these goals playing as a midfielder, while was Ronaldo was a foward, even though for a good part of his best moments, Messi was playing as a false 9 or a winger, and not as a number 10.
Of course Messi is a genius, and even if I like Ronaldo more, I recognize he is ahead of him, the point was just about the arguments I've heard in this discussion that bothered me
yep, this stupid ass myth that inbred ronaldo fans made up, "Ronaldo is all hard work", "Messi is all talent". You ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE both to become an all time great in any sport or ANYTHING in life.
The stats don't show the disparity between leagues, Ronaldo has proved time and time again in every league out there. Besides real Madrid and Barcelona, there isn't much competition going on at la liga, if Ronaldo played his whole career in la liga, he would've been ahead in most of the stats
Ronaldo palyed 9 seasons in spain and only won 2 la ligas while in that time frame, messi won 6. Same case with copa del rey.
@@giannismargaris9553 so you'll not take into account the role of the greatest midfield in the form of xavi, busquets and iniesta backing him up, let's stick to individual stats here, not team stats
In any scenario, Ronaldo would only compete with Messi in Goalscoring.
He can never be as good a playmaker or dribble past defenders like Messi does. He just doesn’t have that kind of talent.
@@manan612 Ronaldo’s dribbling was pretty ridiculous until he suffered that injury
@@xBenjamin18 He was very good. Messi is a GOAT level dribbler
There have been so many players better than Ronaldo nobody will accept that