We bought a Motorhome!: th-cam.com/video/Onlo8q0cMm8/w-d-xo.html I TRULY did not intend this to be a negative video. However, RV's - in general - are poorly built and often have endless problems. I have to be honest! We do like our Geo Pro and it meets our needs for a lightweight, small travel trailer. Ram 1500 Review: th-cam.com/video/KR8s65bw32w/w-d-xo.html Affiliate Links (I get a tiny commission): Weize Battery: amzn.to/3Vwt6sd Haloview Camera: amzn.to/3ATybBk Storage Nets: amzn.to/3p0nMRB Showerhead: amzn.to/413rYxj Anderson Hitch: amzn.to/42py8J9
I completely agree with your assessment and frustration. Unfortunately, you can't avoid negativity. Your points are not only valid, but a great example of how these guys charge more for less quality. For the amount they charge, they should be giving some quality. I can appreciate the desire to make these things lighter so more people can pull them. But at some point these guys need to know where to draw the line when it comes to lowering quality. Thanks for sharing and illustrating what people need to look for or consider when it comes to their RV purchase.
I feel exactly the same as you. Junk. All of them. Staples, glue and caulk holding them together. When I picked mine up, several things were broken/ not right. Dealer said they were 6 to 8 weeks out. I fixed most things myself. My roof has a bunch of wrinkles in it. That's gonna be a fun one to deal with. I DON'T like the door friction hinge... at all. Uncomfortable furniture, all vinyl. We used to get nice cloth seats, now we sit on plastic.
Honestly I think anybody that finds this review to be particularly negative probably doesn't have much experience with campers in general. They're all built like crap. It's just the nature of the beast.
@@tray22- I’ve attended more than a few RV shows, Keystone which has many brands like Montana, Cougar, etc. all have visible flaws in trim, cabinets off kilter, wallpaper with bubbles, rips and tears, one had the stove come free in transport to the show, another had a TV on the floor with a hole in the wall. It’s CLEAR there is zero QC before shipping.
I hear nothing but people complaining about the quality. Most RVers know that none of them are amazing quality. They build them poorly because we keep buying them knowing this as there aren’t better options. Then you bounce it down the road where screws come loose. We had a particular one for 10 years hat I had probably.20 screws we could never figure out where they came from. That doesn’t count all the ones we put back in. I’ve met a lot of people in the last couple years with issues with Airstream which have historically have been known for quality.
The loose on the bottom panel is bc these units are meant to move on bumpy roads, that allows flexibility so things don’t snap and break. It’s not a house, if everything was tightly screwed things would break, the road is like an earthquake everyday Now the fridge not cooling unless you unscrew something and needing to use a lighter for the gas stove, no excuses
Multiply the price tag by 4 or 5 and you will get quality. What can you expect for 25k-30k and at least 10k worth of profit. I added insulation, Amazon led lights a fuse panel and marine battery to run my domestic cooler and a Chinese diesel heater. Look at some overland trailers with half this length and no bathroom or holding tanks and they price out at 100k for a durable quality unit.
I just love how the entire RV industry has everyone convinced that they need Goodyear endurance tires. I own a company that we tow two trailers both with double axle full of machines on Westlake tires. Traveling at least 50 to 100 miles a day and have never had a blowout. Want to prevent blowout keep an eye on your tire pressure don't overload your trailer loaded evenly and keep the speed down it's a home on Wheels it shouldn't be going 80 miles an hour.
Have you even used Good year tires. Nope. Not at all. I have them and they wear so great on every tire even my truck. They have lasted ten years and still going. I can take pics to confirm this bill.
Great video which highlights what most people are afraid to say. These things are quite poorly constructed using overall cheap materials. I would never buy new from dealer. I bought my trailer a few years old so many mods were done to improve the crappy features and most warranty work was completed as many things break during the first few years. Plus, I saved thousands! 3 years trouble free as of today (knock on wood!)!
There's a lot of evidence RVs built in the pandemic crush of buying were of lower quality. Say, spring of 2020 to maybe early 2022 build periods. Meaning, most 2021 and 2022 models are likely shoddier.
I thought it was a good and honest review. Very realistic. Not negative at all, just honest. It was an indictment of the RV industry rather than the RV itself.
I HATE those steps too I have no idea why the industry as a whole decides to adopt something worse like this randomly. The only thing I can think of is the other style couldn’t support larger people.
I've binged watched a LOT of RV videos and this one was easily one of the best! Still thinking of getting a RV and this line of RVs was one I was considering. Now I need to watch some of your other content, but thanks for taking time to do this.
After 7 different RVs (truck campers, a travel trailers and a 5th wheel), I agree to the substandard construction and quality. I came to my senses and bought a Casita fiberglass TT. MUCH better.
It’s not just the way RV’s “ are “ . . It’s the way RV’s are NOW . . during post Covid and the “ Build Back Better “ administration that has decimated quality and skyrocketed prices . Damn shame
I really like the layout. Came so close to buying one but I can't do wood. Ended up buying a Casita. It may be small but craftsmanship is second to none and also a bargain price for the quality
TBH.. it does come across as negative toned… but I think you accurately expressed the overall frustration that all RV & camper owners have with the entire industry and the quality of products they produce. How are they allowed to sell a defective product right out of the factory with NO real warranty or ability to get service performed to repair factory defects?! There is absolutely NO quality in RVs anymore. The whole industry should be forced to provide no cost warranty service centers that aren’t affiliated or reliant on the retail dealerships (who refuse to do warranty work anyways).. or they should have to reduce the price of their “product” to something that accurately represents how disposable everything is that they churn out.
We've been traveling with this unit for a year so far, and except for a leaking fawcett, the rest of the equipment work wonderful. We are very happy with it. But we understand it has its flaws or not some very good materials, but given its price its ok for us. Thanks for your in depth review, it was important in our decision to buy it. Best.
More videos on this channel! I had a Geopro and your review is extremely accurate. I sold it and am planning on getting a new 23 Colorado and am looking for one again and landed back on geopros because of the weight. They are ALL so cheap and expensive though it kills me.
my wife and I have enjoyed your videos over the years, you give some great informative reviews that we found useful when we bought our 2021 Lance 1685 trailer. Sorry you had to change to this Geo Pro. However you are showing all the things I continued to observe when we were shopping all the other brands. You are right, the RV industry gets away with sub-par workmanship and design, and while the Lance is better than most, it should be for what they charge. Also as you pointed out, they have some issues too. Enjoyed listening to another honest review.
I love your video. One thing I have noticed... Overland vessels are not built to marine grade. Let's face it... between Seller and Dealer reselling prices, lack of following their own warranty obligations, ridiculous repair times... There is not many "off grid" options provided. Everything is designed to be dependent on services first through third parties overcharge for. I'm single, I intend to get out. Hunt and fish. I see there are No Provisions for putting in guns and ammo. I know I can modify a BUNK model if needed. I would like to find a mobil Fort ALAMO. I see NOTHING on the market like that. After all... it's not what is necessarily lurking outside, that is a constant threat, in camp or in the boonies... It's what I'm trying to keep secure inside!
Most trailers of this price range are garbage. They are built light enough for suvs to tow them, they are not going to be bullet proof. That said, Rockwood has far better quality control and consistency across all of their lineup. Watch Josh the RV nerd showing the factory process for creating these geo pros, it's very insightful. This geo pro is double sided azdel with an aluminum frame, rather than fiberglass mounted to wood like the others. These geo pros are made better than majority of its competitors in the price range. Yea, little things are gonna break, it's just something that comes with owning a shaking/moving home. If you're gonna take a chance on an RV and already know they all suck, this is one of the best you can get without buying an airstream. I think this manufacturer at least put the quality where it mattered on the major things at a price many can still afford. Major in the majors, minor in the minors. If your gonna complain about little things like step alignment and blinds, might be better off in an airbnb...
Thank you for your honesty. I wish more owners would do videos like you did.we are looking and are seniors. So we don't want to have to adjust the fridge and fix things that should not brake but will.Having honest reviews helps us in our decision making.Thank you for taking the time to make this well need to know video
I know the frustration with Forest River campers firsthand. With ours, Forest River refused to honor the warranty and I will never buy another Forest River product again. They build them cheap with cheap materials but expect you not to complain.
It's an RV, I don't get the hate it all seems to be typical. My question is why you would go from a Lance to this and expect it to be as good after seeing it did you buy sight unseen? Its a good trailer for what it is.
Well what I am thinking about is getting a cheaper trailer and doing all the mods my self. Except getting them to put in a tankless hotwater heater. If the RV industry has all cheap stuff, why spend 30 to 40K when I can spend 17K and and do my own own mods and do them right? Might not have azdel but I would still take good care of anything I get and always make sure it is sealed as if it was these old vintage ones. Hahaha people might look at it on the out side and think wow that's a really cheap one and never know all the great things that was done to it since it was cheap to buy. Kind like buying a cheap house and remodeling it. Haha.
Isn’t that refrigerator 110v only running off the inverter? Just amazes me how creative the RV industry in having features that really are convenient and amazing, yet short you on things like mattress foam and those cheesy panels that fall out. COVID really took its toll on quality of RVs.
No thanks.... keep all of them. I want to boondock but I also want to go into New York City or San Diego, etc for a few weeks at a time and stealth camp. At the same time I demand reliability. My choice? A Toyota Hybrid Minivan. Remove all seats except the drivers seat. It can be had in all wheel drive and I will have it lifted 3" and with bigger and better tires. The other item on my agenda is a Springbar top of the line 10 x 14 ft canvas tent. With the hybrid minivan I can set the temperature to whatever I want. Even if I'm in the boondocks. You can't do that with a trailer unless you have a ton of solar but if you have all that solar, do it with the canvas tent. Now you not camping you are glamping. In colder temps set up the Springbar with a wood burning stove or go into the hybrid mini and set that temp for whatever you want. I will have flexibility with the weather and flexibility of choosing where I will go next. City or dessert or mountaintop or the beach. There's one other thing that will be on my list. I can set up the minivan for towing on the light side with a small 6 x 8 Runaway that will carry everything that will be needed for the tent and also it gives me access to RV campgrounds should that be my choice. When going into a town or city to stealth camp, I will park the Roadrunner with it's stuff at the nearest RV campground. Springbar canvas tents last forever. Toyotas last forever. Keep your RV''s.
I tow my 2022 G19fbs with a 2019 Ford Ranger with factory tow package. I have never had one issue with my Geo Pro. I love it. I ordered mine the way I wanted it rather than buying off the dealer's lot. I also use a local family owned dealer and they are great. They even check with me from time to time to make sure everythng is o.k.and I am still happy with my purchase. I watched your whole video and the only thing I could think is why in the world did you buy the trailer and why are you keeping it if it is such junk.
Nice to hear some honest commentary about RV manufacturing. I bought a used NuCamp Teardrop (320) trailer and it has REAL wood cabinets and seems to be made well. My beef has been with the dealerships I have sought maintenance/repair work. Quality of the maintenance work has been quite inconsistent, from amateur and wrongly done to OK…never great. DIY skills make a difference.
I took off my old school steps for solid steps. The negatives of the old school style outweigh the negatives of solid steps for me. Great video, I appreciate the info and insight!
I think you made the most important mod anybody can make with a camper. Put it under cover. Protecting the camper from the elements will make it last so much longer and it gives you a lot more leeway for finding leaks etc before they destroy something.
U say u cant stand alot of the things on or in ur camper,alot of bitching about ur camper,,biggest thing is u probably saw a good deal of these problems,,but u still bought the camper ,so it cant be all that bad ,,
I loved my 16BH. I sold it only because it had major issues with the slide out and I wasn’t willing to spend $3000 that the dealer wanted to fix it. I was the second owner, so there was no warranty.
@@MontereyBayLounge It was a 2021, purchased new in late summer/early fall of 2020. I think it was one of the rollers under the slide that took a crap. The high cost for repair was because the whole slideout had to be removed to get access to the roller.
We have a running joke amongst our camping group, " they're all junk!" It's just a matter of who has the nicest junk! Forest River has gotten so big that they don't care about quality anymore! Our retirement RV is a different make and is beautiful (junk)😂 .
We had a Rockwood mini-lite and I called all the stuff “Walmart deluxe” because that is RV industry quality…. I sold it and bought a used 23’ airstream international - very nice, not cheap crap… unfortunately I was in an accident and it was totaled but with the insurance proceeds (very generous from USAA) we bought a Nucamp Tab 400 boondock also excellent quality stuff in there … pretty much all of it.
My Geo Pro Refrigerator died after 6 months, the kitchen drawers started falling apart after a year, the front window has tons of condensation in winter and runs down the wall onto the mattress, and I hated the steps also! I had the 2018 FB. I was happy to sell it and haven’t looked back!
I agree about the Rv industry and dealers, terrible. I have the 20BHS and so far it’s been doing great, even though things all loosening and some warping from the shower and wall paper. Although I do live in area where temperatures can reach 110-120 degrees. So that causes damage to these or any trailer. I’ve found the single axle work well for me, easy to tow and haven’t had any sway issues. And I’ve already towed in snow and sand storms, stupidly I might add. But wife insisted on a trailer and after five years of nagging me I bought.
Everyone complains about crappy quality yet they don’t wanna spend the money to actually get a nice trailer. Yeah, most people putting these videos like this guy have bought several trailers and they continued to buy trailers and all they do is complain.
Thanks for making this, my wife really likes the Geo Pro concept (I want a Casita :-/ ), but if I’m going to get one, I want to know the bad along with the good. Thanks again, excellent synopsis.
This is a great video - thank you for being so candid. As a newbie beginning to explore, this really helps me think about the various gotchas and quality considerations. Appreciate it!
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The thing I like about the Geo line of trailers is the they are more of a box shape. A lot of smaller trailers are rounded (R-POD) which gives you less interior room IMO.
Ian…. Pull out the power center and you can reach in behind that enclosed area to retrieve the TV remote. Just ignore the rats nest of wiring which looks like an electrician’s nightmare!
Appreciate seeing your camper. I'm wondering if most of your opinions are lead by you watching a lot of popular TH-camrs. Comments like, "the stabilizers are cheap", "all RVs are junk", "all dealers are awful". RVs are built with 2 opposing masters: weight control and ability to go down the road. And if built to what you must have as your expectations, you wouldn't want to pay that much. I've been an RVer for decades. I've found good dealers, I've never had issues with stabilizers, I've handled small repairs myself and when I've been a good customer, I've generally had good experiences with manufacturers. Rockwood generally builds good products and if you are so disgusted with RVs, I'm not sure why you keep buying them. I did not find your opinions truly knowledgeable or helpful. Good Luck with your travels!
Great walkthrough. I'm in the market, like the floor plans. Deciding on a small travel trailer like this or something storable like the ALiner. You talked about making sure to sanitize your water tank for potable water. Just one recommendation to viewers. *Don't!* . Always bring separate drinking water. Anything outside boiling it, never consume RV tank water. For obvious reasons 🦠😵 Finally, avoid buying Covid era RV's and campers. Anything from 2021 to 2024+. As you know, a lot of companies had skilled worker and parts shortages. These units are notorious for their lack of quality. As you can see from this 2022 Geo Pro
I don't want to sleep in a bed strangers sleep in. Too many germs or bedbugs. No thanks, I'll deal with a junky RV, they are pretty easy to fix if you are somewhat handy. A screwdriver and some glue will fix 95% of the issues.
Nice review, you should take the dealers sticker off of your trailer. Doesnt sound like they treated you very well when you had a problem, and you are doing free advertising for them having the sticker on there.
From the travel trailers I’ve looked at, the Geo Pro campers have the best lay outs that I’m looking for. I especially like the models with the murphy bed! Aluminum joists throughout and sloped roof for water runoff! I’m buying one!
And it's not just the way RVs are it's the way trailers are. They don't have the same suspension as a car to handle vibration bumps Etc and it just comes with the territory of owning a trailer that you will need to tighten bolts screws Etc on a regular basis. I mean the geopro here only weighs 3000 pounds how much reinforcement do you think they really put on
i have a 2020 geo pro 19fbs i want to get lithium battery but i know nothing about any of that any idea if my rv would be able to just be a plug and play like yours was?
RVs, Boats...you forgot Airplanes! Great video. I converted a cargo trailer using good mattresses, multiple "solar generators", 800 watts of solar on the roof, cassette toilet, induction cooktop, microwave, stainless steel shelving, nets everywhere for storage, a 32" TV and two shore power inlets. I avoided a lot of the problems.
We are on the same wavelength Double Doctor - KISS theory for wife & myself. Several years ago we bought a used 2018 one-owner InTech Flyer Pursue for $10K. All aluminum construction - no wood. It's only 14 ft. length & 78 in. height. Fits in our garage. Has pull-out kitchen with refrigeration, roof-top air conditioner/heater & Fantastic multi speed fan, TV, stereo, power inlets, solar hook-up, cassette toilet, outdoor shower, large side awning and Ironman 8x8 pull-out tent room attached to rear of trailer. Weighs less than 2300 lbs with cargo. EZ pull with Tacoma TRD 4x4 Off Road with manual trans. We live in the Tampa Bay area and camp frequently in Blue Ridge/Smokey Mountain areas of NE Georgia. Finally got tired of sleeping on the ground without protection and dealing with changing weather conditions. Keep It Simple.
Hi, I have looked at a number of travel trailers and have owned two in the past as in decades ago. One was an Avon. The other was a 23 foot terry. It weighed 4700 pounds loaded with gear less water. (Water was carried in the front and virtually all of that weight went on the tongue and rear bumper. My interest is in the smaller single axe trailers. Other than the Happier Camper HC1 Breeze, models like the Colman 17B or 17R which are minimum content light weight stick and tin trailers are what I go for. Except for the azdel walls and construction, I am of the opinion that the newer 24 model year entry level trailers are the best value for your money. And for the most part, they are assembled using most of the same parts as the higher content more expensive models. Keep it simple. A box with a comfortable bed, roomy toilet/shower, small cook top, microwave, refrigerator and lounge chair/sofa with a floating table and your golden.
I hide a spare key underneath my trailer so that I can always get in if the batteries die on my door. This way I don't have to carry my keys around with me all the time.
Excellent review. We have a Casita, although smaller, is much better constructed. Nothing has fallen apart. I do prefer a group 31 AGM battery, over lithium. Overkill with a full sized pick up will prevent towing issues. We tow ours with a Nissan Titan, and you cannot feel the Casita. Do not need the weight distribution hitch, rather an anti sway bar works just fine. I saw where a you tubber sold his Casita and bought a geo pro. Wonder if he is regretting it about now. Plan to keep ours. Appreciate your observations.
Appreciate your Honesty! I’m going to be buying my first RV in the next few weeks and I’m so disappointed with the quality and they cost SO Much money!!!
We bought a 6x14 cargo trailer and made it into a camper, wall mount a/c, power , no water, small counter, porta potty and bed, it's all we need and total cost was 3 grand
Great video. You sold your Lance because you went with a smaller tow vehicle. But it looks like you ended up with a full sized Ram. Do you also still tow with the Jeep or are you just towing with the Ram?
It's not just Forest river, trust me. They are ALL JUNK in one way or the other. I dislike my RV as much as he does! Expensive junk, glued and stapled together.
Airstreams are only slightly higher quality. My 23FB had floor issues under every window, now they have composite floors not plywood. Over the years I had it, several dealerships would recommend better parts than Airstream original parts, I replaced the inverter, hitch winch, batteries, faucets, drains, and other plumbing parts. Their shell is great! The interior buildout seems above industry standards, but EVERYTHING you don’t see, or they can get cheaper (Airstream uses hitch motors with nylon gears, others use metal which are much harder to strip.) they do. There were also a few wood cuts that were clearly off, which caused a few issues too.
Helpful video - Thanks! I'm interested to know more about your RV Cover. I like that. Where'd you get it? How much did it cost, and how was it installed? Thanks again.
Amazing review my friend, first time RV purchaser and so glad you have enlightened me on the issues the RV industry has as a general rule. I'm completely in awe that at least one manufacturer has not broken the status quo and started to build trailers with +- $300 worth of accessories that are of high quality and better builds. Might be looking on the lightly used market so I can replace some of the "crap" and not blow my budget. Thanks.
Thank you for the review. Purchased a 2024 and will be taking delivery next week. This gives me a lot of good points to bring up when I pick it up. Good review.
If a company spends what’s required to make a truly high-quality camper trailer, such as Airstream did with the Nest, nearly every comment is about how ridiculously overpriced it is compared to the “competition.”
Quality Control appears to be nonexistent in the RV manufacturing industry. I am in the market for a travel trailer and appreciate your honest review. This definitely helps. I wish more owners would do the same.
Bottom tier travel trailers are not meant to be used as four seasons campers, or for permanent, or off grid, living. They have too many shortcomings for those uses. Anyone with any sense should know that a $20k travel trailer, only gets down to that price point by compromising. You shouldn't expect to get very much at that price point. Do your research. and spend more for something better, if you have to. There are plenty of used, higher tier, travel trailers for $20k, that have a lot more features that you need for long term use, so that might be a better option for many people.
After many hours of TH-cam research on buying campers that are made from 2020 to 2023. They are very poorly made for obvious reasons. They look great but fall short on quality. Also getting warranty work done is a very long wait.
That obscene AC unit is a NO GO.. that thing will be that trailer owners nemesis as it hits shit just going down mainstreet, like trafic signals, signs, and what not..
so my name is will friends call me ole man will been rvin full time since 1981 so to tell u kids cuz most of u are just kids to me with how ya think in all. so rvs all rvs built between 1990 and 2007 are the best built put together rvs u can buy. trailers class As fifth wheels cuz the people who started the rv business way back then cared about the craftsmanship the customer service.. they stood behind all warrantees the biggest mistake i see u young people make is goin out dont know what your doin thinking buying new is a good thing NO its not.! i wouldnt buy a new anything in 2024 !! nope all junk they use such cheap materials trying to max out there profit margine its sick what they do. back in the early 80s they never did that !! it was all about the customer! for what u paid for that u could have bought a nice 20 footer with all the bells just the way u like it with 0 issues. i live in a 1999 tiffin travel trailer not one issue all oak wood all old school just tires batteries i had to replace and i resealed the roof one time in 2004 its 2024 now , still not one leak none. lol i rekkon ill die in this ole thing.
Really appreciated your normal consumer take versus the normal review. Thought it would end with something like “we are happy- totally worth what we paid and it has features we couldn’t get with other brands”. After all how many trailers come with actual real solar installed? And the length. Let’s face it we are comparing to what, a Bambi, the rpod? The context is important for people who haven’t checked out the comparables. Curious about when and how you’ve used the generator. It seems like a big boondocking “not talked about” that really could use some honest reflections. We have an gulfsteam vintage “style over functionality, baby” and almost got the generator (which every solar user has dreams about but always dashed on the shores of reality) but never has to use just because we lucky enough to live and camp in the Pacific Northwest. I feels like you didn’t give enough props to the fantastic fan. Actually great for OEM. And why hasn’t the industry gone to 100ahr lithium? Just embarrassing considering the current pricing. That is weird and interesting to hear about magic chef vs typical dometic-good thing TH-cam is there to save our asses. Keep up the good work!!!
What the F. Really the stairs. The best stairs ever made. I totally disagree. It takes two sweeps of a broom to fix that. Plus the steps are so sturdy. My parents in their 80s can use it their so sturdy. WTF.
You bought a cheap trailer so you get cheap quality. You also are afraid to talk with your dealer so all this falls on you. Should have purchased a Pause, Xplorer or Kingdom Camper if you want quality.
I had to stop watching before the video finished. It is possible to point out concerns without constantly degrading the RV industry, you need to get rid of the pseudo tow vehicle and get a trailer with the quality/ weight that will perhaps please you...but I doubt it.
Sounds like you didn't do you research on the best camper to get. Most of the stuff you are negative about were there when you bought it. ie stairs, dinette situation, no rear hitch etc. Why did you buy the trailer if there are this many negatives????
If you look online you see as many problems with the Lance as anyone. I really don’t think they’re worth twice as much as a similar product from Rockwood.
Love the honesty . Im gonna be a new rv owner . So ive been watching alot of videos, well im glad i came across this. Ty for your pros and cons much needed to know Ty
Big Rock is a horrible name, should be sad sack Outdoors. Your scathing opinions seem to be rooted in your inability to obtain satisfaction through active and assertive discussions with those who wrong you.
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I TRULY did not intend this to be a negative video. However, RV's - in general - are poorly built and often have endless problems. I have to be honest! We do like our Geo Pro and it meets our needs for a lightweight, small travel trailer.
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I completely agree with your assessment and frustration.
Unfortunately, you can't avoid negativity. Your points are not only valid, but a great example of how these guys charge more for less quality. For the amount they charge, they should be giving some quality. I can appreciate the desire to make these things lighter so more people can pull them. But at some point these guys need to know where to draw the line when it comes to lowering quality.
Thanks for sharing and illustrating what people need to look for or consider when it comes to their RV purchase.
I feel exactly the same as you. Junk. All of them.
Staples, glue and caulk holding them together.
When I picked mine up, several things were broken/ not right. Dealer said they were 6 to 8 weeks out. I fixed most things myself.
My roof has a bunch of wrinkles in it. That's gonna be a fun one to deal with.
I DON'T like the door friction hinge... at all.
Uncomfortable furniture, all vinyl. We used to get nice cloth seats, now we sit on plastic.
Honestly I think anybody that finds this review to be particularly negative probably doesn't have much experience with campers in general. They're all built like crap. It's just the nature of the beast.
It’s called honesty!
Where do u keep ur Stinky slinky inside your camper since u don't have bumper
I don't understand why more owners are honest about how poorly constructed their RVs are. Wish there were more videos like this out there. SMH!
I have a Keystone Passport and it is horribly built. I have been slowly fixing everything they did wrong.
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@@tray22- I’ve attended more than a few RV shows, Keystone which has many brands like Montana, Cougar, etc. all have visible flaws in trim, cabinets off kilter, wallpaper with bubbles, rips and tears, one had the stove come free in transport to the show, another had a TV on the floor with a hole in the wall. It’s CLEAR there is zero QC before shipping.
I hear nothing but people complaining about the quality. Most RVers know that none of them are amazing quality. They build them poorly because we keep buying them knowing this as there aren’t better options. Then you bounce it down the road where screws come loose. We had a particular one for 10 years hat I had probably.20 screws we could never figure out where they came from. That doesn’t count all the ones we put back in.
I’ve met a lot of people in the last couple years with issues with Airstream which have historically have been known for quality.
People won’t admit their shit sucks.
The loose on the bottom panel is bc these units are meant to move on bumpy roads, that allows flexibility so things don’t snap and break. It’s not a house, if everything was tightly screwed things would break, the road is like an earthquake everyday
Now the fridge not cooling unless you unscrew something and needing to use a lighter for the gas stove, no excuses
Multiply the price tag by 4 or 5 and you will get quality. What can you expect for 25k-30k and at least 10k worth of profit. I added insulation, Amazon led lights a fuse panel and marine battery to run my domestic cooler and a Chinese diesel heater. Look at some overland trailers with half this length and no bathroom or holding tanks and they price out at 100k for a durable quality unit.
Did you like the Lance better? Just went with this because of weight for your truck?
Yes , the Lance was better, but heavy
I just love how the entire RV industry has everyone convinced that they need Goodyear endurance tires. I own a company that we tow two trailers both with double axle full of machines on Westlake tires. Traveling at least 50 to 100 miles a day and have never had a blowout. Want to prevent blowout keep an eye on your tire pressure don't overload your trailer loaded evenly and keep the speed down it's a home on Wheels it shouldn't be going 80 miles an hour.
Have you even used Good year tires. Nope. Not at all. I have them and they wear so great on every tire even my truck. They have lasted ten years and still going. I can take pics to confirm this bill.
Great video which highlights what most people are afraid to say. These things are quite poorly constructed using overall cheap materials. I would never buy new from dealer. I bought my trailer a few years old so many mods were done to improve the crappy features and most warranty work was completed as many things break during the first few years. Plus, I saved thousands! 3 years trouble free as of today (knock on wood!)!
There's a lot of evidence RVs built in the pandemic crush of buying were of lower quality. Say, spring of 2020 to maybe early 2022 build periods. Meaning, most 2021 and 2022 models are likely shoddier.
Don’t knock too hard, you might knock something loose.
@@americanrambler4972😂
I thought it was a good and honest review. Very realistic. Not negative at all, just honest. It was an indictment of the RV industry rather than the RV itself.
"...but we keep buying them, so it must be our fault." Well said.
I HATE those steps too I have no idea why the industry as a whole decides to adopt something worse like this randomly. The only thing I can think of is the other style couldn’t support larger people.
I've binged watched a LOT of RV videos and this one was easily one of the best! Still thinking of getting a RV and this line of RVs was one I was considering. Now I need to watch some of your other content, but thanks for taking time to do this.
Have you looked at Ember trailers?
After 7 different RVs (truck campers, a travel trailers and a 5th wheel), I agree to the substandard construction and quality. I came to my senses and bought a Casita fiberglass TT. MUCH better.
Love this guy, saying like yeah these things are junk crappy travel trailers. Saying what we all feel about these things
It’s not just the way RV’s “ are “ . .
It’s the way RV’s are NOW . . during post Covid and the “ Build Back Better “ administration that has decimated quality and skyrocketed prices . Damn shame
We looked at these but ended up with a NuCamp 2022 TAB 400 boondock edition. In my opinion it’s the best one on the market. 👍👍video thanks
Yikes……hope that works out
Your honesty is refreshing 👍👍👏
I really like the layout. Came so close to buying one but I can't do wood. Ended up buying a Casita. It may be small but craftsmanship is second to none and also a bargain price for the quality
TBH.. it does come across as negative toned… but I think you accurately expressed the overall frustration that all RV & camper owners have with the entire industry and the quality of products they produce. How are they allowed to sell a defective product right out of the factory with NO real warranty or ability to get service performed to repair factory defects?! There is absolutely NO quality in RVs anymore. The whole industry should be forced to provide no cost warranty service centers that aren’t affiliated or reliant on the retail dealerships (who refuse to do warranty work anyways).. or they should have to reduce the price of their “product” to something that accurately represents how disposable everything is that they churn out.
What RV dealer was that Ignore your Complain about you're fridge, people must know . To avoid this dealer in the future
Unfortunately that's going to be pretty much any RV dealer. They all kind of suck.
We've been traveling with this unit for a year so far, and except for a leaking fawcett, the rest of the equipment work wonderful. We are very happy with it. But we understand it has its flaws or not some very good materials, but given its price its ok for us. Thanks for your in depth review, it was important in our decision to buy it. Best.
More videos on this channel! I had a Geopro and your review is extremely accurate. I sold it and am planning on getting a new 23 Colorado and am looking for one again and landed back on geopros because of the weight. They are ALL so cheap and expensive though it kills me.
my wife and I have enjoyed your videos over the years, you give some great informative reviews that we found useful when we bought our 2021 Lance 1685 trailer. Sorry you had to change to this Geo Pro. However you are showing all the things I continued to observe when we were shopping all the other brands. You are right, the RV industry gets away with sub-par workmanship and design, and while the Lance is better than most, it should be for what they charge. Also as you pointed out, they have some issues too. Enjoyed listening to another honest review.
I love your video. One thing I have noticed... Overland vessels are not built to marine grade.
Let's face it... between Seller and Dealer reselling prices, lack of following their own warranty obligations, ridiculous repair times... There is not many "off grid" options provided.
Everything is designed to be dependent on services first through third parties overcharge for.
I'm single, I intend to get out. Hunt and fish.
I see there are No Provisions for putting in guns and ammo.
I know I can modify a BUNK model if needed.
I would like to find a mobil Fort ALAMO.
I see NOTHING on the market like that.
After all... it's not what is necessarily lurking outside, that is a constant threat, in camp or in the boonies... It's what I'm trying to keep secure inside!
Most trailers of this price range are garbage. They are built light enough for suvs to tow them, they are not going to be bullet proof. That said, Rockwood has far better quality control and consistency across all of their lineup. Watch Josh the RV nerd showing the factory process for creating these geo pros, it's very insightful. This geo pro is double sided azdel with an aluminum frame, rather than fiberglass mounted to wood like the others. These geo pros are made better than majority of its competitors in the price range. Yea, little things are gonna break, it's just something that comes with owning a shaking/moving home. If you're gonna take a chance on an RV and already know they all suck, this is one of the best you can get without buying an airstream. I think this manufacturer at least put the quality where it mattered on the major things at a price many can still afford. Major in the majors, minor in the minors. If your gonna complain about little things like step alignment and blinds, might be better off in an airbnb...
Thank you for your honesty. I wish more owners would do videos like you did.we are looking and are seniors. So we don't want to have to adjust the fridge and fix things that should not brake but will.Having honest reviews helps us in our decision making.Thank you for taking the time to make this well need to know video
I know the frustration with Forest River campers firsthand. With ours, Forest River refused to honor the warranty and I will never buy another Forest River product again. They build them cheap with cheap materials but expect you not to complain.
It's an RV, I don't get the hate it all seems to be typical. My question is why you would go from a Lance to this and expect it to be as good after seeing it did you buy sight unseen? Its a good trailer for what it is.
Well what I am thinking about is getting a cheaper trailer and doing all the mods my self. Except getting them to put in a tankless hotwater heater. If the RV industry has all cheap stuff, why spend 30 to 40K when I can spend 17K and and do my own own mods and do them right? Might not have azdel but I would still take good care of anything I get and always make sure it is sealed as if it was these old vintage ones. Hahaha people might look at it on the out side and think wow that's a really cheap one and never know all the great things that was done to it since it was cheap to buy. Kind like buying a cheap house and remodeling it. Haha.
Isn’t that refrigerator 110v only running off the inverter? Just amazes me how creative the RV industry in having features that really are convenient and amazing, yet short you on things like mattress foam and those cheesy panels that fall out. COVID really took its toll on quality of RVs.
Really only made quality go from bad to worse.
Not a 110 volt refrig. It is a 12 volt refrig. It works pretty well but takes up more battery power then I would like.
No thanks.... keep all of them. I want to boondock but I also want to go into New York City or San Diego, etc for a few weeks at a time and stealth camp. At the same time I demand reliability. My choice? A Toyota Hybrid Minivan. Remove all seats except the drivers seat. It can be had in all wheel drive and I will have it lifted 3" and with bigger and better tires. The other item on my agenda is a Springbar top of the line 10 x 14 ft canvas tent. With the hybrid minivan I can set the temperature to whatever I want. Even if I'm in the boondocks. You can't do that with a trailer unless you have a ton of solar but if you have all that solar, do it with the canvas tent. Now you not camping you are glamping. In colder temps set up the Springbar with a wood burning stove or go into the hybrid mini and set that temp for whatever you want. I will have flexibility with the weather and flexibility of choosing where I will go next. City or dessert or mountaintop or the beach. There's one other thing that will be on my list. I can set up the minivan for towing on the light side with a small 6 x 8 Runaway that will carry everything that will be needed for the tent and also it gives me access to RV campgrounds should that be my choice. When going into a town or city to stealth camp, I will park the Roadrunner with it's stuff at the nearest RV campground. Springbar canvas tents last forever. Toyotas last forever. Keep your RV''s.
The most thorough camper video out; from the dialogue & information to the editing. Perfect-
I tow my 2022 G19fbs with a 2019 Ford Ranger with factory tow package. I have never had one issue with my Geo Pro. I love it. I ordered mine the way I wanted it rather than buying off the dealer's lot. I also use a local family owned dealer and they are great. They even check with me from time to time to make sure everythng is o.k.and I am still happy with my purchase. I watched your whole video and the only thing I could think is why in the world did you buy the trailer and why are you keeping it if it is such junk.
Nice to hear some honest commentary about RV manufacturing. I bought a used NuCamp Teardrop (320) trailer and it has REAL wood cabinets and seems to be made well. My beef has been with the dealerships I have sought maintenance/repair work. Quality of the maintenance work has been quite inconsistent, from amateur and wrongly done to OK…never great. DIY skills make a difference.
I took off my old school steps for solid steps. The negatives of the old school style outweigh the negatives of solid steps for me. Great video, I appreciate the info and insight!
Ha. Best rationale of the day. Negatives of old style out weigh negatives of new style. I agree.
I think you made the most important mod anybody can make with a camper. Put it under cover. Protecting the camper from the elements will make it last so much longer and it gives you a lot more leeway for finding leaks etc before they destroy something.
Ditto!!
U say u cant stand alot of the things on or in ur camper,alot of bitching about ur camper,,biggest thing is u probably saw a good deal of these problems,,but u still bought the camper ,so it cant be all that bad ,,
I loved my 16BH. I sold it only because it had major issues with the slide out and I wasn’t willing to spend $3000 that the dealer wanted to fix it. I was the second owner, so there was no warranty.
What year was your model and what went out?
@@MontereyBayLounge It was a 2021, purchased new in late summer/early fall of 2020.
I think it was one of the rollers under the slide that took a crap. The high cost for repair was because the whole slideout had to be removed to get access to the roller.
Take a look at intechs if you like light wieght trailers. The intech terra is very nice.
We have a running joke amongst our camping group, " they're all junk!" It's just a matter of who has the nicest junk!
Forest River has gotten so big that they don't care about quality anymore! Our retirement RV is a different make and is beautiful (junk)😂 .
"It's just a matter of who has the nicest junk." Ain't that the truth 😂😂😂
What RV dealer did you purchase this so we can avoid him if he doesn't care about customer service
I sleep in a recliner, so I would take out the dinette and put 2 recliners or theatre seating
We had a Rockwood mini-lite and I called all the stuff “Walmart deluxe” because that is RV industry quality…. I sold it and bought a used 23’ airstream international - very nice, not cheap crap… unfortunately I was in an accident and it was totaled but with the insurance proceeds (very generous from USAA) we bought a Nucamp Tab 400 boondock also excellent quality stuff in there … pretty much all of it.
My Geo Pro Refrigerator died after 6 months, the kitchen drawers started falling apart after a year, the front window has tons of condensation in winter and runs down the wall onto the mattress, and I hated the steps also! I had the 2018 FB. I was happy to sell it and haven’t looked back!
I have a gladiator and considering getting a geo pro. How did your gladiator tow it?
I agree about the Rv industry and dealers, terrible. I have the 20BHS and so far it’s been doing great, even though things all loosening and some warping from the shower and wall paper. Although I do live in area where temperatures can reach 110-120 degrees. So that causes damage to these or any trailer. I’ve found the single axle work well for me, easy to tow and haven’t had any sway issues. And I’ve already towed in snow and sand storms, stupidly I might add. But wife insisted on a trailer and after five years of nagging me I bought.
Hi. When u replace the lithium battery 100ah. Do you have to replace the converter? Are you just switch the lithium battery only? Thanks
No. On the solar converter you can toggle to the type of battery you have and lifepo4 is one of the options.
Everyone complains about crappy quality yet they don’t wanna spend the money to actually get a nice trailer. Yeah, most people putting these videos like this guy have bought several trailers and they continued to buy trailers and all they do is complain.
We just looked at 120k airstream. The quality and fit and finish was horrible. Spending more doesn’t always mean you get better.
Thanks for making this, my wife really likes the Geo Pro concept (I want a Casita :-/ ), but if I’m going to get one, I want to know the bad along with the good. Thanks again, excellent synopsis.
Some of the casita have had leaks and the carpet has gotten wet.
This is a great video - thank you for being so candid.
As a newbie beginning to explore, this really helps me think about the various gotchas and quality considerations.
Appreciate it!
Glad it was helpful!
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The thing I like about the Geo line of trailers is the they are more of a box shape. A lot of smaller trailers are rounded (R-POD) which gives you less interior room IMO.
That wire rack fridge mod is money. Thank you for the review!
I appreciate the brutal honesty! That's what us newbs need! LOL
Ian…. Pull out the power center and you can reach in behind that enclosed area to retrieve the TV remote. Just ignore the rats nest of wiring which looks like an electrician’s nightmare!
Appreciate seeing your camper. I'm wondering if most of your opinions are lead by you watching a lot of popular TH-camrs. Comments like, "the stabilizers are cheap", "all RVs are junk", "all dealers are awful". RVs are built with 2 opposing masters: weight control and ability to go down the road. And if built to what you must have as your expectations, you wouldn't want to pay that much. I've been an RVer for decades. I've found good dealers, I've never had issues with stabilizers, I've handled small repairs myself and when I've been a good customer, I've generally had good experiences with manufacturers. Rockwood generally builds good products and if you are so disgusted with RVs, I'm not sure why you keep buying them. I did not find your opinions truly knowledgeable or helpful. Good Luck with your travels!
Great walkthrough. I'm in the market, like the floor plans. Deciding on a small travel trailer like this or something storable like the ALiner.
You talked about making sure to sanitize your water tank for potable water. Just one recommendation to viewers. *Don't!* . Always bring separate drinking water. Anything outside boiling it, never consume RV tank water. For obvious reasons 🦠😵
Finally, avoid buying Covid era RV's and campers. Anything from 2021 to 2024+. As you know, a lot of companies had skilled worker and parts shortages. These units are notorious for their lack of quality. As you can see from this 2022 Geo Pro
Maybe or maybe not your intention, but you have convinced me to stick to hotels or, when we're feeling adventurous, camping cabins.
I don't want to sleep in a bed strangers sleep in. Too many germs or bedbugs.
No thanks, I'll deal with a junky RV, they are pretty easy to fix if you are somewhat handy. A screwdriver and some glue will fix 95% of the issues.
Nice review, you should take the dealers sticker off of your trailer. Doesnt sound like they treated you very well when you had a problem, and you are doing free advertising for them having the sticker on there.
From the travel trailers I’ve looked at, the Geo Pro campers have the best lay outs that I’m looking for. I especially like the models with the murphy bed! Aluminum joists throughout and sloped roof for water runoff! I’m buying one!
I appreciate your honest review. I’m looking for my first towable and trying to learn as much as possible before visiting the dealer.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! Could you or did you do a video on what to adjust in the fridge to get it colder?
The RV industry has to source their construction materials from China so you can’t expect them to produce a quality product.
And it's not just the way RVs are it's the way trailers are. They don't have the same suspension as a car to handle vibration bumps Etc and it just comes with the territory of owning a trailer that you will need to tighten bolts screws Etc on a regular basis. I mean the geopro here only weighs 3000 pounds how much reinforcement do you think they really put on
Was considering GeoPro but not now! Thanks for pointing out the junk they’re building! Think I’ll stick with Grand Design!
Looked at many campers for 2 years and researched them. Grand Design was only one that looked well made to me and has great customer service.
i have a 2020 geo pro 19fbs i want to get lithium battery but i know nothing about any of that any idea if my rv would be able to just be a plug and play like yours was?
RVs, Boats...you forgot Airplanes! Great video. I converted a cargo trailer using good mattresses, multiple "solar generators", 800 watts of solar on the roof, cassette toilet, induction cooktop, microwave, stainless steel shelving, nets everywhere for storage, a 32" TV and two shore power inlets. I avoided a lot of the problems.
We are on the same wavelength Double Doctor - KISS theory for wife & myself.
Several years ago we bought a used 2018 one-owner InTech Flyer Pursue for $10K. All aluminum construction - no wood. It's only 14 ft. length & 78 in. height. Fits in our garage. Has pull-out kitchen with refrigeration, roof-top air conditioner/heater & Fantastic multi speed fan, TV, stereo, power inlets, solar hook-up, cassette toilet, outdoor shower, large side awning and Ironman 8x8 pull-out tent room attached to rear of trailer. Weighs less than 2300 lbs with cargo. EZ pull with Tacoma TRD 4x4 Off Road with manual trans. We live in the Tampa Bay area and camp frequently in Blue Ridge/Smokey Mountain areas of NE Georgia. Finally got tired of sleeping on the ground without protection and dealing with changing weather conditions. Keep It Simple.
Hi, I have looked at a number of travel trailers and have owned two in the past as in decades ago. One was an Avon. The other was a 23 foot terry. It weighed 4700 pounds loaded with gear less water. (Water was carried in the front and virtually all of that weight went on the tongue and rear bumper.
My interest is in the smaller single axe trailers. Other than the Happier Camper HC1 Breeze, models like the Colman 17B or 17R which are minimum content light weight stick and tin trailers are what I go for. Except for the azdel walls and construction, I am of the opinion that the newer 24 model year entry level trailers are the best value for your money. And for the most part, they are assembled using most of the same parts as the higher content more expensive models.
Keep it simple. A box with a comfortable bed, roomy toilet/shower, small cook top, microwave, refrigerator and lounge chair/sofa with a floating table and your golden.
I hide a spare key underneath my trailer so that I can always get in if the batteries die on my door. This way I don't have to carry my keys around with me all the time.
Excellent review. We have a Casita, although smaller, is much better constructed. Nothing has fallen apart. I do prefer a group 31 AGM battery, over lithium. Overkill with a full sized pick up will prevent towing issues. We tow ours with a Nissan Titan, and you cannot feel the Casita. Do not need the weight distribution hitch, rather an anti sway bar works just fine. I saw where a you tubber sold his Casita and bought a geo pro. Wonder if he is regretting it about now. Plan to keep ours. Appreciate your observations.
Appreciate your Honesty! I’m going to be buying my first RV in the next few weeks and I’m so disappointed with the quality and they cost SO Much money!!!
We bought a 6x14 cargo trailer and made it into a camper, wall mount a/c, power , no water, small counter, porta potty and bed, it's all we need and total cost was 3 grand
Awesome, you should do a short video.
Thanks for being honest with us.
I appreciate your time.
Great video. You sold your Lance because you went with a smaller tow vehicle. But it looks like you ended up with a full sized Ram. Do you also still tow with the Jeep or are you just towing with the Ram?
Wow what a great review. I don’t know what changes were made for 2023 but I will be avoiding Forrest River trailers for sure. Thanks.
It's not just Forest river, trust me.
They are ALL JUNK in one way or the other.
I dislike my RV as much as he does!
Expensive junk, glued and stapled together.
Airstreams are only slightly higher quality. My 23FB had floor issues under every window, now they have composite floors not plywood. Over the years I had it, several dealerships would recommend better parts than Airstream original parts, I replaced the inverter, hitch winch, batteries, faucets, drains, and other plumbing parts. Their shell is great! The interior buildout seems above industry standards, but EVERYTHING you don’t see, or they can get cheaper (Airstream uses hitch motors with nylon gears, others use metal which are much harder to strip.) they do. There were also a few wood cuts that were clearly off, which caused a few issues too.
very helpful. Starting to look for first RV...and Rockwood seems too cheap. Your thoughts on Jayco?
They are all pretty much the same. The really expensive ones often have fancier finishes, but not built ant better. Components are the same handful
Helpful video - Thanks! I'm interested to know more about your RV Cover. I like that. Where'd you get it? How much did it cost, and how was it installed? Thanks again.
Amazing review my friend, first time RV purchaser and so glad you have enlightened me on the issues the RV industry has as a general rule. I'm completely in awe that at least one manufacturer has not broken the status quo and started to build trailers with +- $300 worth of accessories that are of high quality and better builds. Might be looking on the lightly used market so I can replace some of the "crap" and not blow my budget. Thanks.
Sharp looking trailer.
THANK YOU FOR YOU HONESTY AND INFORMATION GOD BLESS 🌴😎🇺🇸🇨🇱🌴
Thank you for the review. Purchased a 2024 and will be taking delivery next week. This gives me a lot of good points to bring up when I pick it up. Good review.
If a company spends what’s required to make a truly high-quality camper trailer, such as Airstream did with the Nest, nearly every comment is about how ridiculously overpriced it is compared to the “competition.”
Quality Control appears to be nonexistent in the RV manufacturing industry. I am in the market for a travel trailer and appreciate your honest review. This definitely helps. I wish more owners would do the same.
Covid built RV's had quality problems because so many people wanted RV's. Manufacturing was pushed to the limits.
Bottom tier travel trailers are not meant to be used as four seasons campers, or for permanent, or off grid, living. They have too many shortcomings for those uses. Anyone with any sense should know that a $20k travel trailer, only gets down to that price point by compromising. You shouldn't expect to get very much at that price point. Do your research. and spend more for something better, if you have to. There are plenty of used, higher tier, travel trailers for $20k, that have a lot more features that you need for long term use, so that might be a better option for many people.
After many hours of TH-cam research on buying campers that are made from 2020 to 2023. They are very poorly made for obvious reasons. They look great but fall short on quality. Also getting warranty work done is a very long wait.
That obscene AC unit is a NO GO.. that thing will be that trailer owners nemesis as it hits shit just going down mainstreet, like trafic signals, signs, and what not..
so my name is will friends call me ole man will
been rvin full time since 1981
so to tell u kids cuz most of u are just kids to me with how ya think in all.
so rvs all rvs built between 1990 and 2007 are the best built put together rvs u can buy.
trailers class As fifth wheels
cuz the people who started the rv business way back then cared about the craftsmanship
the customer service..
they stood behind all warrantees
the biggest mistake i see u young people make is goin out dont know what your doin thinking buying new is a good thing
NO its not.!
i wouldnt buy a new anything in 2024 !!
nope all junk
they use such cheap materials trying to max out there profit margine its sick what they do.
back in the early 80s they never did that !! it was all about the customer!
for what u paid for that u could have bought a nice 20 footer with all the bells just the way u like it with 0 issues.
i live in a 1999 tiffin travel trailer not one issue all oak wood all old school
just tires batteries i had to replace and i resealed the roof one time in 2004 its 2024 now , still not one leak none.
lol i rekkon ill die in this ole thing.
Really appreciated your normal consumer take versus the normal review. Thought it would end with something like “we are happy- totally worth what we paid and it has features we couldn’t get with other brands”. After all how many trailers come with actual real solar installed? And the length. Let’s face it we are comparing to what, a Bambi, the rpod? The context is important for people who haven’t checked out the comparables. Curious about when and how you’ve used the generator. It seems like a big boondocking “not talked about” that really could use some honest reflections. We have an gulfsteam vintage “style over functionality, baby” and almost got the generator (which every solar user has dreams about but always dashed on the shores of reality) but never has to use just because we lucky enough to live and camp in the Pacific Northwest. I feels like you didn’t give enough props to the fantastic fan. Actually great for OEM. And why hasn’t the industry gone to 100ahr lithium? Just embarrassing considering the current pricing. That is weird and interesting to hear about magic chef vs typical dometic-good thing TH-cam is there to save our asses. Keep up the good work!!!
What the F. Really the stairs. The best stairs ever made. I totally disagree. It takes two sweeps of a broom to fix that. Plus the steps are so sturdy. My parents in their 80s can use it their so sturdy. WTF.
You bought a cheap trailer so you get cheap quality. You also are afraid to talk with your dealer so all this falls on you. Should have purchased a Pause, Xplorer or Kingdom Camper if you want quality.
“I don’t mean to be negative” 😂 we all run into problems with our RV, but it’s nice to know what to look out for. Thanks!
I had to stop watching before the video finished. It is possible to point out concerns without constantly degrading the RV industry, you need to get rid of the pseudo tow vehicle and get a trailer with the quality/ weight that will perhaps please you...but I doubt it.
Sounds like you didn't do you research on the best camper to get. Most of the stuff you are negative about were there when you bought it. ie stairs, dinette situation, no rear hitch etc. Why did you buy the trailer if there are this many negatives????
I lost my laptop same place you lost TV remote. Disconnet batteries, then unscrew breaker box. You can reach behind and retrivw the remote.
If you look online you see as many problems with the Lance as anyone. I really don’t think they’re worth twice as much as a similar product from Rockwood.
Love the honesty . Im gonna be a new rv owner . So ive been watching alot of videos, well im glad i came across this. Ty for your pros and cons much needed to know Ty
Big Rock is a horrible name, should be sad sack Outdoors. Your scathing opinions seem to be rooted in your inability to obtain satisfaction through active and assertive discussions with those who wrong you.
every time you pull a geo pro you find new crap laying in the floor that breaks or just falls off🤷🤷 cheap made pos💩💩
This is junk typical RV stuff complete junk 😂😂😂😂...so options are bad junk or not as bad junk 😕😕
I wish he would stop saying "sorry"...just say they have shitty construction practices...and they need to stop using Chinese crap